The Complete Zenith

[JSouth5942]

Excellent points, well made. However, The Great Lost Work of Grant Morrison is the USP of this project, so you can hardly blame Rebellion for leading with that, even allowing for the great artists whose brilliance made it work.

No, what I blame Rebellion for is taking advantage of all the fans who have been begging for this book to be released for so long by slapping a £100 price point on it! How can they even justify this price?

[Bolt-01]

I don't work for Rebellion and I won't be slapping £100 down for this, but as far as I'm concerned this is a 'very' limited edition to a work that has been out of print for a heck of a long time. I've no idea what the print costs would be for a product like this, but to be blunt- Rebellion can charge what they like. If the market is there it will sell, otherwise we might find a copy or two in the works at a nifty discount.

[IndigoPrime]

Looking around, most hardback luxury editions appear to be about half the size of this volume, and yet are still 38 quid at retail. (Hellboy Library editions, for example, or IDW output.) Go to massive, chunky books like Absolute Sandman and you end up with 75-quid price-tags. Admittedly, those have more pages (616), but also aren't limited, are a reasonably known quantity (a series that sells well in print), and have fantastic distribution.

Assuming plenty of care is taken in making sure the repro for this is top-notch, and assuming the book itself is really well-made, I can see the price-point as being justifiable.

[sheldipez]

I don't work for Rebellion and I won't be slapping £100 down for this, but as far as I'm concerned this is a 'very' limited edition to a work that has been out of print for a heck of a long time. I've no idea what the print costs would be for a product like this, but to be blunt- Rebellion can charge what they like. If the market is there it will sell, otherwise we might find a copy or two in the works at a nifty discount.

Could be small print run for a large hardback book = profit margin smaller than we think?

Price seems bit harsh compared to something like the [signed] Termight Edition of Nemesis but it's probably justified going off purely how much press this got yesterday.

[JSouth5942]

I don't work for Rebellion and I won't be slapping £100 down for this, but as far as I'm concerned this is a 'very' limited edition to a work that has been out of print for a heck of a long time. I've no idea what the print costs would be for a product like this, but to be blunt- Rebellion can charge what they like. If the market is there it will sell, otherwise we might find a copy or two in the works at a nifty discount.

Sure they can charge what they like for it, its just a shame the people they are taking advantage of are the people who have supported them all these years. Of course the market is there for this book and they know it that's why they have decided to rinse people for so much money. I'm sure there was nothing stopping them offering a more standard edition along side the limited edition for those that wanted it, but they haven't.

[sheldipez]

I don't work for Rebellion and I won't be slapping £100 down for this, but as far as I'm concerned this is a 'very' limited edition to a work that has been out of print for a heck of a long time. I've no idea what the print costs would be for a product like this, but to be blunt- Rebellion can charge what they like. If the market is there it will sell, otherwise we might find a copy or two in the works at a nifty discount.

Sure they can charge what they like for it, its just a shame the people they are taking advantage of are the people who have supported them all these years. Of course the market is there for this book and they know it that's why they have decided to rinse people for so much money. I'm sure there was nothing stopping them offering a more standard edition along side the limited edition for those that wanted it, but they haven't.

But that's going back to the legal grounds that this is currently in, don't mean to repeat others posts earlier in the thread but if these 1000 get out in the wild with "no issues" then that'll put Rebellion in clear for futher individual volumes sold via normal retailers (and Diamond can list with confidence), which I'll be first in queue for.

[JSouth5942]

I don't work for Rebellion and I won't be slapping £100 down for this, but as far as I'm concerned this is a 'very' limited edition to a work that has been out of print for a heck of a long time. I've no idea what the print costs would be for a product like this, but to be blunt- Rebellion can charge what they like. If the market is there it will sell, otherwise we might find a copy or two in the works at a nifty discount.

Sure they can charge what they like for it, its just a shame the people they are taking advantage of are the people who have supported them all these years. Of course the market is there for this book and they know it that's why they have decided to rinse people for so much money. I'm sure there was nothing stopping them offering a more standard edition along side the limited edition for those that wanted it, but they haven't.

But that's going back to the legal grounds that this is currently in, don't mean to repeat others posts earlier in the thread but if these 1000 get out in the wild with "no issues" then that'll put Rebellion in clear for futher individual volumes sold via normal retailers (and Diamond can list with confidence), which I'll be first in queue for.

Surely any legal issues would have needed to have been sorted no matter the size of the print run or distribution method?

[radiator]

Sure they can charge what they like for it, its just a shame the people they are taking advantage of are the people who have supported them all these years. Of course the market is there for this book and they know it that's why they have decided to rinse people for so much money. I'm sure there was nothing stopping them offering a more standard edition along side the limited edition for those that wanted it, but they haven't.

To be fair and to my knowledge, they haven't actually stated that there definitely will not be more affordable paperback editions in the future, they just said this particular edition will never be reprinted.

[Dash Decent]

Exactly why it would be appreciated if they'd come on the forum and clear this point up.  I'd prefer a more affordable trade, but if I knew for certain this would be the only way to get it for a very long time, I'd do my best to save up.

Of course, I understand why they may stay silent for business reasons, or even if they've decided to take a cautious wait-and-see approach.

[Jim_Campbell]

Surely any legal issues would have needed to have been sorted no matter the size of the print run or distribution method?

This is discussed in some detail earlier in this very thread.

Cheers

Jim

[Richmond Clements]

its just a shame the people they are taking advantage of are the people who have supported them all these years.

I will sat here that I too, do not work for Rebellion, and don't have £100 to shell out on this book, but - WTF?
Sorry, but this is nonsense. Nobody is taking advantage of anyone. Rebellion are a buisiness. Publishing is a business.
And as someone has pointed out, a low print run of a hard back book is going to cost a lot of money.

[Jim_Campbell]

And as someone has pointed out, a low print run of a hard back book is going to cost a lot of money.

And, as also mentioned, the progs aren't actually hard to get hold of, and there are multiple threads on this very board about getting DIY binding done to create your own hardcover volumes.

Cheers

Jim

[Arkwright99]

I'd prefer a more affordable trade, but if I knew for certain this would be the only way to get it for a very long time, I'd do my best to save up.

Then you've got a month because based on what others have said above 'pre-ordering' on July 1st means paying on July 1st and then waiting five months before Rebellion ship the book to you on December 1st. Which is in contrast to, say, Amazon where pre-ordering is more akin to placing a 'reservation' and you're not charged until just before they despatch your order. I'm sure I could scrap £100 together by Dec 1st but I'm not sure I can do so in the next thirty days to stand a chance of getting a copy.

Of course, if I'm wrong about how the 2000AD Shop pre-order system works then I'd love to know.

[Recrewt]

I've said earlier in this thread that £100 puts this out of my league but I can't really judge if it is worth this until we see more detail on the actual product.  I don't have a problem with something being more expensive if it is worth it - and that's not just based on the availability of the material elsewhere.  It took a while before we found out about the prints that come with the Nemisis HB, so who knows what else will come out. 

One thing I would say is key though is the quality of the reproductions and for this money, I would expect larger pages than something like the case files.

[Dandontdare]

As a few people have said it's very nice, but too dear for me as I already own the progs. I'd re-buy it in a series of matching TPBs, and I'd consider paying this if I didn't have the progs, but for now - no thanks.

And whilst I think that it is a great strip, I wonder if the the scarcity has kind of bumped up people's opinions of the quality? Would it have the same reputation if it was in it's 12th paperback printing?