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Title: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Link Prime on 02 March, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
Perhaps we don't really care that much anymore, but as every tabloid newspaper / news feed will remind you- there's currently a leading role vacancy in Dr. Who.

Any predictions or favorites in mind?

I'll miss the superb Capaldi, but wouldn't mind seeing Julian Rhind-Tutt or Richard Ayoade take the keys to the TARDIS.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 02 March, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
Perhaps we don't really care that much anymore, but as every tabloid newspaper / news feed will remind you- there's currently a leading role vacancy in Dr. Who.

Any predictions or favorites in mind?

I'll miss the superb Capaldi, but wouldn't mind seeing Julian Rhind-Tutt or Richard Ayoade take the keys to the TARDIS.

Be interesting to see how they cast, age-wise.

I'm assuming they'll cast younger.

Loved Capaldi in the role, and hoping that they continue the run of excellent actors in the role whether male or female!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 02 March, 2017, 02:38:48 PM
I will be amazed if they don't cast a (fairly) young, quirky, good-looking guy, in an attempt to replicate the Tennant era. They're not going to get, say, Ben Whishaw, but that's the type of actor I assume they'll want. There has been a lot of speculation about Kris Marshall - he'd be a perfectly reasonable choice.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: GordonR on 02 March, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 02 March, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
Perhaps we don't really care that much anymore, but as every tabloid newspaper / news feed will remind you- there's currently a leading role vacancy in Dr. Who.

Any predictions or favorites in mind?

I'll miss the superb Capaldi, but wouldn't mind seeing Julian Rhind-Tutt or Richard Ayoade take the keys to the TARDIS.

Be interesting to see how they cast, age-wise.

I'm assuming they'll cast younger.

Loved Capaldi in the role, and hoping that they continue the run of excellent actors in the role whether male or female!

They'll absolutely cast younger.  The Capaldii era has not overall been much of a ratings success, especially with younger age groups who made up a huge part of the Tennant and Smith eras.

Also, merchandising sales are in the toilet.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Kris Marshall's 43. I'll bet they'll go at least a decade younger. It wouldn't surprise me if we get a "youngest Doctor Who" story. Also, I'll be amazed if the Doctor is anything other than a white bloke.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 02 March, 2017, 03:24:16 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Kris Marshall's 43. I'll bet they'll go at least a decade younger... Also, I'll be amazed if the Doctor is anything other than a white bloke.

I think you're undoubtedly right on these points, but if it was Marshall, I reckon he'd do an ok job. I could see them going for an Aidan Turner type though.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 03:35:44 PM
A relative unknown, probably, too, in order to keep costs down.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 02 March, 2017, 04:04:25 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 03:35:44 PM
A relative unknown, probably, too, in order to keep costs down.

Rupert Grint can't be that prohibitive, shirley?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 02 March, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Russell Tovey?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rara Avis on 02 March, 2017, 04:30:06 PM
I've read somewhere that Tilda Swindon is rumored to be for the next Dr.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 05:31:32 PM
She's the current bookie favourite. I'd say: too old and too 'not a bloke'.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 02 March, 2017, 05:59:02 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Kris Marshall's 43. I'll bet they'll go at least a decade younger. It wouldn't surprise me if we get a "youngest Doctor Who" story. Also, I'll be amazed if the Doctor is anything other than a white bloke.
I would definitely stop watching if it was him, such a bland actor. I love Capaldi but he has been the Pierce Brosnan of Dr Who, a great actor but given terrible scripts.

To be honest if it is another skinny white bloke I will probably say goodbye to Doctor Who. Zzzzz
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Tony Angelino on 02 March, 2017, 07:01:44 PM
I think Peter Capaldi was unlucky to be saddled with Stephen Moffet's production and stories. The combination of the older doctor and increasingly ridiculous stories that made little sense had people turning off in droves.

I don't think the BBC can afford to take too much of a risk with the next doctor or the programme may be going on another hiatus.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 02 March, 2017, 07:03:50 PM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 02 March, 2017, 07:01:44 PM
I don't think the BBC can afford to take too much of a risk with the next doctor or the programme may be going on another hiatus.

Chibnall made an interesting comment about 'no gimmick casting' which is open to interpretation.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Zarjazzer on 02 March, 2017, 07:07:09 PM
The 13th Doctor will be a pussycat. He/she will snooze whilst the Daleks invade(again).
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: GordonR on 02 March, 2017, 07:22:01 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 02 March, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Russell Tovey?

Yesterday's man.  RTD was touting him about 10 years ago as Tennant's replacement.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 02 March, 2017, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: GordonR on 02 March, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 02 March, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
I'll miss the superb Capaldi, but wouldn't mind seeing Julian Rhind-Tutt or Richard Ayoade take the keys to the TARDIS.

Loved Capaldi in the role, and hoping that they continue the run of excellent actors in the role whether male or female!

They'll absolutely cast younger.  The Capaldii era has not overall been much of a ratings success, especially with younger age groups who made up a huge part of the Tennant and Smith eras.

Great actor, shame about the stories.  How could the person who wrote Blink do so badly as a show runner?  Let's hope Big Finish does better with post-TV Capaldi stories.

I don't think I recognised any of the suggestions on this thread, apart from Rupert Grint (Ron Weasley, right?  About time the doctor got his ginger hair - though I'm probably being naive in thinking that the actor has ginger hair there) and Richard Ayoade.  I think both of those could work as doctors.  As I obviously don't know enough about modern TV to know the who other suggestions are I won't make any of my own, but in addition to the two mentioned above, I'd quite like to see a female doctor.  Preferably somebody from Wales or N.I. as England and Scotland seem to have been represented quite enough by lead actors so far.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 02 March, 2017, 07:30:34 PM
Quote from: GordonR on 02 March, 2017, 07:22:01 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 02 March, 2017, 04:14:19 PM
Russell Tovey?

Yesterday's man.  RTD was touting him about 10 years ago as Tennant's replacement.

Wouldn't be the first time somebody previously in the running gets the top spot a regeneration down the line...

I think the real important thing is that with Matt Smith, David Tennant and Karen Gillan having careers post-Who, it won't put off people with established CVs already.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 02 March, 2017, 07:29:02 PMI don't think I recognised any of the suggestions on this thread, apart from Rupert Grint [...] and Richard Ayoade.  I think both of those could work as doctors.
I've not really seen Grint's range. In Harry Potter, he's fine, but, well, it wouldn't be an inspiring choice. "The third best of the three leads in Harry Potter is now Doctor Who..." As for Richard Ayoade, he'd be Richard Ayoade. Not sure I could stomach that for an entire series. (I liked him in IT Crowd, but he basically plays that same persona even in panel shows and interviews.)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 02 March, 2017, 09:17:44 PM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 02 March, 2017, 07:01:44 PM
I think Peter Capaldi was unlucky to be saddled with Stephen Moffet's production and stories. The combination of the older doctor and increasingly ridiculous stories that made little sense had people turning off in droves.

I don't think the BBC can afford to take too much of a risk with the next doctor or the programme may be going on another hiatus.
Are the ratings that bad? It still seems to me that the show has a huge international fanbase. The problems seemed to begin almost immediately with Deep Breath making a big issue of the fact that The Doctor was older, as if Moffat was second guessing the audiences reaction to Capaldi. It made no sense in the context of Clara's character & they should have just not drawn attention to it. Then the series carried on with a totally inconsistent characterisation of The Doctor. The only good thing about the Capaldi era has been Missy.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 09:22:51 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 02 March, 2017, 07:29:02 PM
Quote from: GordonR on 02 March, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 02 March, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
I'll miss the superb Capaldi, but wouldn't mind seeing Julian Rhind-Tutt or Richard Ayoade take the keys to the TARDIS.

Loved Capaldi in the role, and hoping that they continue the run of excellent actors in the role whether male or female!

They'll absolutely cast younger.  The Capaldii era has not overall been much of a ratings success, especially with younger age groups who made up a huge part of the Tennant and Smith eras.

Great actor, shame about the stories.  How could the person who wrote Blink do so badly as a show runner?  Let's hope Big Finish does better with post-TV Capaldi stories.

I don't think I recognised any of the suggestions on this thread, apart from Rupert Grint (Ron Weasley, right?  About time the doctor got his ginger hair - though I'm probably being naive in thinking that the actor has ginger hair there) and Richard Ayoade.  I think both of those could work as doctors.  As I obviously don't know enough about modern TV to know the who other suggestions are I won't make any of my own, but in addition to the two mentioned above, I'd quite like to see a female doctor.  Preferably somebody from Wales or N.I. as England and Scotland seem to have been represented quite enough by lead actors so far.

A Northern Irish Doctor? Count me in. mind you, dependant on whereabouts, the subtitles may well be needed for most viewers.

Ciaran hinds would do nicely, or even Conleth Hill. Not very merchandise friendly, too old, but bloody good actors.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 09:26:08 PM
Quote from: GordonR on 02 March, 2017, 02:50:03 PM
Quote from: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 01:53:18 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 02 March, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
Perhaps we don't really care that much anymore, but as every tabloid newspaper / news feed will remind you- there's currently a leading role vacancy in Dr. Who.

Any predictions or favorites in mind?

I'll miss the superb Capaldi, but wouldn't mind seeing Julian Rhind-Tutt or Richard Ayoade take the keys to the TARDIS.

Be interesting to see how they cast, age-wise.

I'm assuming they'll cast younger.

Loved Capaldi in the role, and hoping that they continue the run of excellent actors in the role whether male or female!

They'll absolutely cast younger.  The Capaldii era has not overall been much of a ratings success, especially with younger age groups who made up a huge part of the Tennant and Smith eras.

Also, merchandising sales are in the toilet.

Do you think the international fanbases would ever influence the show runner and BBC into casting an American or European Doctor?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JamesC on 02 March, 2017, 09:50:07 PM
I've been saying for years that Paul Kaye should do it. He's since carved out a niche for himself playing creepy weirdos in all sorts of things. He's probably too old now though and certainly not a Tennant style heart-throb.
Actually, the Russell Tovey suggestion has made me think of the guys who played Tom and Hal in the later series of Being Human. Both good looking young-ish blokes who can do weird and creepy with a bit of comic relief.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: GordonR on 02 March, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 09:26:08 PM

Do you think the international fanbases would ever influence the show runner and BBC into casting an American or European Doctor?

The show's now partly funded by money that comes directily from BBC America.  I don't think we'll ever see an American Doc - part of its appeal to the huge number of American fans is its quirky Britishness - but BBC America will have a say in the choice of new Doctor.

Trust me, we're probably going to get a younger, Tennant-ish Doctor, to recapture the glory days when the show finally broke into the American market.  (Although it was Matt Smith who was the first Doc to make the cover of Entertainment Weekly.)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: maryanddavid on 02 March, 2017, 11:56:01 PM
The Capaldi episodes are the ones I'm am most familiar with, and they are enjoyable. The two older children who badgered me to watch it, said the Matt Smith Doctor was their favourite, and watching some, he has a certain presence, although it might be a bit annoying after a while.
Anyway, forgive my ignorance, but would it be possible for Matt Smith to come back and play the Doctor, presuming he even wanted to?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 03 March, 2017, 01:40:20 AM
The Doctor hasn't yet regenerated into a previous incarnation, so I doubt it. That's not to say Matt Smith couldn't come back as the incarnation he actually played interacting with the current Doctor due to time travel related shenanigans as that's happened quite a bit before.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 03 March, 2017, 08:26:06 AM
Quote from: Mardroid on 03 March, 2017, 01:40:20 AM
The Doctor hasn't yet regenerated into a previous incarnation, so I doubt it. That's not to say Matt Smith couldn't come back as the incarnation he actually played interacting with the current Doctor due to time travel related shenanigans as that's happened quite a bit before.


But one day he'll revisit old faces...


(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/1/14/TheCuratorTDOTD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131130094002)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 08:51:48 AM
Quote from: GordonR on 02 March, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
Quote from: Rately on 02 March, 2017, 09:26:08 PM

Do you think the international fanbases would ever influence the show runner and BBC into casting an American or European Doctor?

The show's now partly funded by money that comes directily from BBC America.  I don't think we'll ever see an American Doc - part of its appeal to the huge number of American fans is its quirky Britishness - but BBC America will have a say in the choice of new Doctor.

Trust me, we're probably going to get a younger, Tennant-ish Doctor, to recapture the glory days when the show finally broke into the American market.  (Although it was Matt Smith who was the first Doc to make the cover of Entertainment Weekly.)
Moffat talked briefly about this at a recent Cambridge Union interview. Basically rulling out an American actor in the role as it is the britishness that overseas viewers are attracted to.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 03 March, 2017, 09:14:12 AM
I'm going to sound like a real millennial whinge bag here but, come on, let the next Doctor be a gal, or black, or fuck BOTH! 50 plus years of white dudes in the role, lets switch this shit up a bit.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 09:42:15 AM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 03 March, 2017, 09:14:12 AM
I'm going to sound like a real millennial whinge bag here but, come on, let the next Doctor be a gal, or black, or fuck BOTH! 50 plus years of white dudes in the role, lets switch this shit up a bit.
Yes! Yes! Yes! 100% agree. The show has been back on telly for over a decade so it would not be a gimmick. The show really needs revitalising & if the new showrunner doesn't take the opportunity when will it happen?!?

In general there is a lack of representation in sic-fi of black & other ethnic minority groups as well as women (I apply this criticism to 2000AD as well) so someone needs to break the cycle of white blokes as The Doctor.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JamesC on 03 March, 2017, 09:50:20 AM
Ethnicity doesn't bother me at all. In fact I'd quite like a sikh looking Doctor because their traditional clothes are really cool.
I'm not sure about the Doctor being a woman though. Something about that niggles. I think I'd prefer them to create a new strong female character rather than gender flipping The Doctor. A time-lady that kicks the Doctor into touch would be my choice - someone similar to Romana but preferably a new character. I'd like to see a woman who tackles problems in a different way to the Doctor and challenges the superiority complex he seems to have.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 March, 2017, 10:53:56 AM
Given that the BBC can't usually bring itself to book more than one woman on a panel show, I can't imagine them okaying a woman as The Doctor.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 03 March, 2017, 11:19:27 AM
They should see can they borrow Disney's CGI Cushing for a bit, bring the Daleks films into continuity as 13th Doctor adventures.  Bring back Bernard Cribbens again too.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 03 March, 2017, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 03 March, 2017, 11:19:27 AM
They should see can they borrow Disney's CGI Cushing for a bit, bring the Daleks films into continuity as 13th Doctor adventures.  Bring back Bernard Cribbens again too.
In relation to the EU novels, the Cushing movies ARE canon, all be it in a really, really convoluted way.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Prodigal2 on 03 March, 2017, 12:36:15 PM
Hayley Atwell for this and all other roles in tv and film.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 03 March, 2017, 09:50:20 AM
Ethnicity doesn't bother me at all. In fact I'd quite like a sikh looking Doctor because their traditional clothes are really cool.
I'm not sure about the Doctor being a woman though. Something about that niggles. I think I'd prefer them to create a new strong female character rather than gender flipping The Doctor. A time-lady that kicks the Doctor into touch would be my choice - someone similar to Romana but preferably a new character. I'd like to see a woman who tackles problems in a different way to the Doctor and challenges the superiority complex he seems to have.
I think we already have examples of strong female characters in Dr Who tbh. Just creating another one to me seems like a cowardly opt out.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JamesC on 03 March, 2017, 01:19:19 PM
Quote from: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 03 March, 2017, 09:50:20 AM
Ethnicity doesn't bother me at all. In fact I'd quite like a sikh looking Doctor because their traditional clothes are really cool.
I'm not sure about the Doctor being a woman though. Something about that niggles. I think I'd prefer them to create a new strong female character rather than gender flipping The Doctor. A time-lady that kicks the Doctor into touch would be my choice - someone similar to Romana but preferably a new character. I'd like to see a woman who tackles problems in a different way to the Doctor and challenges the superiority complex he seems to have.
I think we already have examples of strong female characters in Dr Who tbh. Just creating another one to me seems like a cowardly opt out.

Have we? We've seen characters that I think were supposed to be strong but I'm not sure we've seen any that are compelling, well written characters in their own right.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Satanist on 03 March, 2017, 01:33:16 PM
I think if you're going to have a female lead now would be a good time as you can then play off against the fact that the Master did it first.

My choice that has remained the same for years now is Paterson Joseph.

Failing that Danny Dyer - "Exterminate? Fack off you mug!"
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 March, 2017, 02:35:14 PM
I wonder who the black actor was that's been referred to several times as being under consideration for – but having never got – the role. And, yeah, I'd happily see Paterson Joseph as The Doctor. Or Hayley Attwell, for that matter, as per the suggestion further up this thread. Quite a few of the other usual suspects don't really seem right to me, though, or don't excite me. Richard Madden, Richard Ayoade, Olivia Colman... I've enjoyed them at various times in many roles – especially Colman – but for The Doctor? Hmm.

I see Tony Head's all over the news, too, about this. No chance there, I imagine. (He'd make an interesting Master, though, if that role was switched up again. I'm sure we can all pretend School Reunion did not exist.)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 03 March, 2017, 02:39:21 PM
Hayley Atwell would certainly guarantee my interest. 

But then I would have said Peter Capaldi would do that too (for subtly different reasons), but I couldn't hang on for more than half of his first season and haven't watched any for what seems like years now. 
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 02:45:09 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 March, 2017, 02:35:14 PM
I wonder who the black actor was that's been referred to several times as being under consideration for – but having never got – the role.

I think it was Adrian Lester. & I think he would be brilliant in the role.

& if they are wanting to go younger, offer it to Riz Ahmed!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 03 March, 2017, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 02:45:09 PM..if they are wanting to go younger, offer it to Riz Ahmed!

Oh that would be good: really like his stuff, he could definitely carry it off. He speaks a lot of sense too. But would he appeal to BBC America?  Perhaps more pertinently, I'm sure he has bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 March, 2017, 02:55:55 PM
Chiwetel Ejiofor appears to be the other black actor who people reckoned turned down the role.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rately on 03 March, 2017, 02:58:56 PM
Quote from: Satanist on 03 March, 2017, 01:33:16 PM
I think if you're going to have a female lead now would be a good time as you can then play off against the fact that the Master did it first.

My choice that has remained the same for years now is Paterson Joseph.

Failing that Danny Dyer - "Exterminate? Fack off you mug!"

Would be a fantastic choice. Great actor.

Loved him, like Mark, since i first saw him in Peep Show.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 03 March, 2017, 04:37:55 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 02 March, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
I've not really seen Grint's range. In Harry Potter, he's fine, but, well, it wouldn't be an inspiring choice. "The third best of the three leads in Harry Potter is now Doctor Who..."

T'wasn't a serious suggestion. His being late twenties and ginger, that was pretty much the extent of my thinking.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Tony Angelino on 03 March, 2017, 05:10:03 PM
I'm still going with Kris Marshall. I don't think he was that well suited to Death in Paradise but I think he would be a very good choice as the Doctor.

The BBC wont take a massive risk with casting the Doctor in light of the ratings falling under Moffet and Capaldi. Hopefully Chibnall will provide a bit more substance to things than Moffet who was really just about style and making things twisty and turny but not actually making any sense.

I'm guessing BBC have lost a massive part of their audience with the Top Gear change and they wont want to lose more with Doctor Who.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 03 March, 2017, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 03 March, 2017, 05:10:03 PM
I'm still going with Kris Marshall. I don't think he was that well suited to Death in Paradise but I think he would be a very good choice as the Doctor.

The BBC wont take a massive risk with casting the Doctor in light of the ratings falling under Moffet and Capaldi. Hopefully Chibnall will provide a bit more substance to things than Moffet who was really just about style and making things twisty and turny but not actually making any sense.

I'm guessing BBC have lost a massive part of their audience with the Top Gear change and they wont want to lose more with Doctor Who.
Unfortunately I think you are right in that Kris Marshall will be given the role, he suits the formula now. So for me, well I'll just wait until its all over then binge watch it on iPlayer. As for the ratings, have they really been that bad? The Christmas episode did particularly well in the USA I think.

Anyway, I'm not a Moffat basher, I think the Matt Smith era has been my favourite so far of Nu Who but I think he's stayed on a bit too long & is now recycling ideas/themes with diminishing quality. Its definitely time for a new show runner, I just hope we move forward rather than relying too much on tried & tested ideas from the past.

Whatever happens please lets not have a self-indulgent farewell like we got with the end of Tennant & RTD! The Doctor crying boo hoo! AWFUL!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 03 March, 2017, 05:37:39 PM
The showrunner isn't so much the problem as the showrunner having too much power. Doctor Who needs – and this has been the case since it returned – a bloody good script editor with a ton of clout. That's the case with a lot of shows these days (such as Lucifer, which makes no bloody sense in terms of the interaction of its characters), and Doctor Who is sadly no exception.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Tony Angelino on 03 March, 2017, 05:50:20 PM
I think Stephen Moffett has ruined the show almost beyond redemption (that may be a slight exaggeration).

You're right though about a script editor. There should have been someone there to tell him that maybe that scene with the guitar on a tank isn't that great, that half your viewers don't have a clue what's going on in any of your stories or that River Song really isn't that popular.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Andy B on 03 March, 2017, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 03 March, 2017, 05:37:39 PM
Doctor Who needs – and this has been the case since it returned – a bloody good script editor

Wonder if Terrance Dicks would be interested in topping up his pension?

Next Doctor: with Penny Dreadful finished, there's no excuse for not casting Eva Green.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 March, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
I really hope it's not Kris Marshall - he's a decent enough actor, but it would take some genius writing to make him interesting or memorable as the doctor.

I've never had a problem with a black or asian actor - skin colour should be no more relevant than hair colour. A gender swap would be more of a stretch, but they've established "in-universe" that it can happen with the Master. I'm still not sure though.

Someone mentioned Tilda Swinton - I very much doubt that she'd do it, but I'd be behind her 100% if she did, she's got that androgynous weirdness down perfectly  (she was the only good thing in that awful Constantine movie)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 03 March, 2017, 11:16:24 PM
How about Goaty?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 04 March, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 March, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
A gender swap would be more of a stretch, but they've established "in-universe" that it can happen with the Master.

Aware as I am of the Master's transition was she was pre-Delgado or post?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 04 March, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 March, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
A gender swap would be more of a stretch, but they've established "in-universe" that it can happen with the Master.

Aware as I am of the Master's transition was she was pre-Delgado or post?
Very much post. "Missy" is the latest incarnation of The Master, though it's somewhat ambiguous if she succeeds the John Simm or Alex McQueen incarnations, now the audio dramas are canon.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 04 March, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 04 March, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 March, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
A gender swap would be more of a stretch, but they've established "in-universe" that it can happen with the Master.

Aware as I am of the Master's transition was she was pre-Delgado or post?
Very much post. "Missy" is the latest incarnation of The Master, though it's somewhat ambiguous if she succeeds the John Simm or Alex McQueen incarnations, now the audio dramas are canon.

I didn't think canon existed in Doctor Who (partially due to all of the non-BBC trademarked bits that have popped up over the half century) - what is and isn't canon now?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 March, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 04 March, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 March, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
A gender swap would be more of a stretch, but they've established "in-universe" that it can happen with the Master.

Aware as I am of the Master's transition was she was pre-Delgado or post?
Very much post. "Missy" is the latest incarnation of The Master, though it's somewhat ambiguous if she succeeds the John Simm or Alex McQueen incarnations, now the audio dramas are canon.

I didn't think canon existed in Doctor Who (partially due to all of the non-BBC trademarked bits that have popped up over the half century) - what is and isn't canon now?
The TV series, '95 TV movie, and  Big Finish Audio Dramas.

Books, stage plays, and comics are all very much "as you wish".
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 04 March, 2017, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 March, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 04 March, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 March, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
A gender swap would be more of a stretch, but they've established "in-universe" that it can happen with the Master.

Aware as I am of the Master's transition was she was pre-Delgado or post?
Very much post. "Missy" is the latest incarnation of The Master, though it's somewhat ambiguous if she succeeds the John Simm or Alex McQueen incarnations, now the audio dramas are canon.

I didn't think canon existed in Doctor Who (partially due to all of the non-BBC trademarked bits that have popped up over the half century) - what is and isn't canon now?
The TV series, '95 TV movie, and  Big Finish Audio Dramas.

Books, stage plays, and comics are all very much "as you wish".
Yes, loved that moment in Night of the Doctor when some of the Big Finish companions got name checked.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 05 March, 2017, 05:22:36 AM
I want it to be Karl Urban - but only because it would mean he could write "Who Bones Dredd" on his c.v...

Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 05 March, 2017, 05:16:04 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 05 March, 2017, 05:22:36 AM
I want it to be Karl Urban - but only because it would mean he could write "Who Bones Dredd" on his c.v...
Oh dear...
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 05 March, 2017, 08:30:03 PM
I refuse to encourage this behaviour by reacting. Stoic silence is my resistance.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Richard on 05 March, 2017, 09:18:05 PM
I encourage and endorse it!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 05 March, 2017, 09:23:10 PM
(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette3.wikia.nocookie.net%2Ftardis%2Fimages%2Fa%2Faa%2FOneThinks.jpg%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20120314051249&sp=99a41e54964551dba75548027fcc427f)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 06 March, 2017, 12:00:36 AM
How about Brian Cox?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 06 March, 2017, 12:24:05 AM
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 06 March, 2017, 12:00:36 AMHow about Brian Cox?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Professor_Brian_Cox_OBE_FRS.jpg) Brilliant idea! I shall write to the BBC immediately!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 06 March, 2017, 01:53:44 AM
That tie will have to go, though.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JamesC on 06 March, 2017, 06:34:25 AM
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 06 March, 2017, 01:53:44 AM
That tie will have to go, though.

Needs more question marks.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 06 March, 2017, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 06 March, 2017, 12:00:36 AM
How about Brian Cox?
Nope. I've heard a few 'non-actor' recommendations but this has to be the worst!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 06 March, 2017, 09:25:03 AM
I was being sarcastic. I think the Brian Cox suggested was actually this one (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/BrianCoxTIFFSept2011.jpg).
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 06 March, 2017, 09:26:46 AM
Quote from: JLC on 04 March, 2017, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 March, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 04 March, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 March, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
A gender swap would be more of a stretch, but they've established "in-universe" that it can happen with the Master.

Aware as I am of the Master's transition was she was pre-Delgado or post?
Very much post. "Missy" is the latest incarnation of The Master, though it's somewhat ambiguous if she succeeds the John Simm or Alex McQueen incarnations, now the audio dramas are canon.

I didn't think canon existed in Doctor Who (partially due to all of the non-BBC trademarked bits that have popped up over the half century) - what is and isn't canon now?
The TV series, '95 TV movie, and  Big Finish Audio Dramas.

Books, stage plays, and comics are all very much "as you wish".
Yes, loved that moment in Night of the Doctor when some of the Big Finish companions got name checked.

If a namecheck means that they're now canon, then wouldn't Abslom Daak now be canon as well?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 06 March, 2017, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 06 March, 2017, 09:26:46 AM
Quote from: JLC on 04 March, 2017, 05:38:53 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 04:53:21 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 March, 2017, 04:47:01 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 04 March, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 04 March, 2017, 01:09:41 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 March, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
A gender swap would be more of a stretch, but they've established "in-universe" that it can happen with the Master.

Aware as I am of the Master's transition was she was pre-Delgado or post?
Very much post. "Missy" is the latest incarnation of The Master, though it's somewhat ambiguous if she succeeds the John Simm or Alex McQueen incarnations, now the audio dramas are canon.

I didn't think canon existed in Doctor Who (partially due to all of the non-BBC trademarked bits that have popped up over the half century) - what is and isn't canon now?
The TV series, '95 TV movie, and  Big Finish Audio Dramas.

Books, stage plays, and comics are all very much "as you wish".
Yes, loved that moment in Night of the Doctor when some of the Big Finish companions got name checked.

If a namecheck means that they're now canon, then wouldn't Abslom Daak now be canon as well?
I'd say thats a more indirect reference, seeing as we only saw a photo of the dude.

But then again, if anyone has at BBC towers has Kurt Russels number and want to get Daak into the 3rd dimension, i'd be down for that!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 06 March, 2017, 09:38:37 AM
I'd love to see Patrick Stewart as the Doctor, though, or Ian McKellen. Ooh, or how about Peter Dinklage?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Theblazeuk on 06 March, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Paterson Joseph would be cool and one I hadn't considered. He's the Marquis de Carabas so he's already got a line in being a weird bloke who comes back from the dead with good taste in coats.

Riz Ahmed is unlikely to do it unless his immigration status gets Trumped, but it's an interesting direction.

Once upon a time I liked the idea of Daniel Kaluuya but have to admit his character in Black Mirror was probably the most serious role I have seen him in.

I would like to finally try out a female doctor or a different ethnicity, if only to make it less of a big deal.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 06 March, 2017, 12:25:14 PM
Looking at Paterson Joseph's wiki, age might be an issue there, too: he's 52.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 06 March, 2017, 12:49:27 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 06 March, 2017, 09:25:03 AM
I was being sarcastic. I think the Brian Cox suggested was actually this one (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/BrianCoxTIFFSept2011.jpg).
D'Oh! Of course!

Well he's even older than Capaldi!

Another one on my wishlist, Sally Hawkins.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 06 March, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
A wheelchair-bound Doctor could be a load of fun.

And yes, I have just watched Theory of Everything, why do you ask?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 06 March, 2017, 02:04:28 PM
A physically disabled Doctor would certainly force the Beeb to cut down on all the running shots.

Actually, a wheelchair bound Doctor with the persona of the darker, masterful chess player take on Seven would be awesome!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 06 March, 2017, 02:06:12 PM
The Doctor did give some "regeneration energy" to Davros - so a disabled or small Doctor would work.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: von Boom on 06 March, 2017, 04:14:03 PM
It would certainly open up some interesting story lines having a wheelchair bound Doctor. However I dread the idea of a sonic wheelchair. Doctor needs a gadget, presto, wheelchair to the rescue.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: GordonR on 06 March, 2017, 04:41:25 PM
Wheelchair Doc - at last, the Daleks would be able to turn round all the old jokes about them and stairs.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 06 March, 2017, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 March, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
A wheelchair-bound Doctor could be a load of fun.

And yes, I have just watched Theory of Everything, why do you ask?
Yes! Patrick Stewart, & he can get to sit down again!

Or would they actually cast an actor who is disabled...
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Steve Green on 06 March, 2017, 07:14:32 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/doctor-who-bets-kris-marshall-peter-capaldi-a7614631.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/doctor-who-bets-kris-marshall-peter-capaldi-a7614631.html)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 06 March, 2017, 08:18:39 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 06 March, 2017, 07:14:32 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/doctor-who-bets-kris-marshall-peter-capaldi-a7614631.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/doctor-who-bets-kris-marshall-peter-capaldi-a7614631.html)
Nooooooooo!

Then again didn't Matt Smith appear out of nowhere?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 06 March, 2017, 11:49:24 PM
He can do 'odd chap' well, at least. A big Doctor trait.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 07 March, 2017, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 March, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
A wheelchair-bound Doctor could be a load of fun.

(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg86/ToadyCat/sellers-1Q3I_o_tn_zpsugoimzba.jpg) (http://s246.photobucket.com/user/ToadyCat/media/sellers-1Q3I_o_tn_zpsugoimzba.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Leigh S on 09 March, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
Yes, Clara was too good at fixing the timelines, so Capaldi has to go back and make sure everyone of those previous Doctirs gets his!  Wait til you see the scene where he pushes poor old Colin off the exercise bike!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Batman's Superior Cousin on 09 March, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?

Christmas special is his last one.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 10 March, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
I don't watch half as much Doctor Who as I should, but having just looked up the origin story of the Cybermen, is it based on the Tin Man's story in the Wizard of Oz?
Sorry if this has been asked, or explained, a million times before.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?
The Cybermen have always had their design updated, going back to the original design looks laughable by today's standards. Looks like cheap cosplay.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 10 March, 2017, 09:42:03 AM
Quote from: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?
The Cybermen have always had their design updated, going back to the original design looks laughable by today's standards. Looks like cheap cosplay.
Isn't 2017 the 50th anniversey of their debut?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 10 March, 2017, 09:42:03 AM
Quote from: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?
The Cybermen have always had their design updated, going back to the original design looks laughable by today's standards. Looks like cheap cosplay.
Isn't 2017 the 50th anniversey of their debut?
No.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 10 March, 2017, 09:57:35 AM
Correction, it was 2016, but then again we didn't get a series last year, so...
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 10 March, 2017, 09:57:35 AM
Correction, it was 2016, but then again we didn't get a series last year, so...
True. As Capaldi is the first incarnation of the new set of regenerations for The Doctor maybe he will regenerate after encountering the original Cybermen, like Hartnell did in The Tenth Planet?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rately on 10 March, 2017, 10:05:38 AM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 09 March, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?

Christmas special is his last one.

Cheers!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rately on 10 March, 2017, 10:09:36 AM
Quote from: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?
The Cybermen have always had their design updated, going back to the original design looks laughable by today's standards. Looks like cheap cosplay.

Ah! I'm a late convert to Doctor Who as the original series, with Sylvester McCoy, was coming to an end as i was growing up.

I think i'll dig in a bit and check out the evolution of the Cybermen.

Anyone have any recommended storylines?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: GordonR on 10 March, 2017, 10:15:00 AM

Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?

I think one image of Capaldi with classic Mondas Cybermen is a very, very long way from "seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen."

The Mondas ones are Capaldi's favourite Who monsters.  I think the production team have thrown him a little treat for the end of his run.  It's probably nostalgia fan service, just like all the old type of Daleks seen in Asylum of the Daleks.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Rately on 10 March, 2017, 10:58:42 AM
Quote from: GordonR on 10 March, 2017, 10:15:00 AM

Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?

I think one image of Capaldi with classic Mondas Cybermen is a very, very long way from "seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen."

The Mondas ones are Capaldi's favourite Who monsters.  I think the production team have thrown him a little treat for the end of his run.  It's probably nostalgia fan service, just like all the old type of Daleks seen in Asylum of the Daleks.

I suppose so, Gordon.

We might well see the modern Cybermen make an appearance in the episode as well.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 10 March, 2017, 12:53:24 PM
While I'm glad they're going back to the Cybermen of Mondasian origin, I'm not a fan of the costume design. Something different from the Cybus  Industries chaps* to differentiate them and acknowledge the seperate origins and timelines is welcome, but blokes with rubber masks with metal blocks strapped to their chest? No thanks.

I can understand why they're doing it, and I guess an in story explanation could be that this isn't just the Mondasian but the actual early generation from the First Doctor's time period. An early stage in their evolution, if you like.

I'm interested to see the episode and how these Cybermen are used, despite disliking the designs. The faces are creepy, though.

*A design I do actually like. I'd question they're actually Cybermen at all though since they originate from an entirely different planet and (presumably) species in that universe. There was a nice little Easter egg on a Doctor Who related website devoted to Cybus Industries suggesting that they actually got hold of the Cyberman head from the parallel universe version of the bunker from the episode Dalek (you remember the first outing of the Daleks in the new Who time-period). The assumption being that the Cybus Industries Cybermen are actually based on the Mondasian Cybermen technology. I quite like that explanation, if the Cybusmen have to be Cybermen.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 09 March, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: Rately on 09 March, 2017, 09:33:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 09 March, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
So, those old cybermen

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-09/the-doctor-who-series-10-finale-could-be-a-fitting-early-departure-for-peter-capaldi

Utterly fantastic that they have seemingly jettisoned the redesigned Cybermen. Never liked the design.

Is this Capaldi's regeneration episode, or is he doing the Christmas special?

Christmas special is his last one.
But he still could regenerate earlier. I'd like to be surprised by the regeneration for once.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Link Prime on 10 March, 2017, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
I'd like to be surprised by the regeneration for once.

What about Eric King?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 10 March, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Warwick? (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTMxNzk3MjA3Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTAxNjA3Mg%40%40._V1_UY317_CR13,0,214,317_AL_.jpg)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 March, 2017, 03:02:50 PM
Warwick? (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTMxNzk3MjA3Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwOTAxNjA3Mg%40%40._V1_UY317_CR13,0,214,317_AL_.jpg)
OMG NO!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 04:05:04 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 10 March, 2017, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
I'd like to be surprised by the regeneration for once.

What about Eric King?
Er?!? Who?!?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 10 March, 2017, 04:30:54 PM
Stephen? (http://www.toimg.net/managed/images/10189071/w230/h190/image.jpg)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 11:25:30 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 March, 2017, 04:30:54 PM
Stephen? (http://www.toimg.net/managed/images/10189071/w230/h190/image.jpg)
Yes, that's what the show needs. Another skinny white bloke. Zzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 07:55:56 AM
Rusty? (http://mbedd.com/pictures/rusty.jpg)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 09 March, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
Capaldi has to go back and make sure everyone of those previous Doctirs gets his!

Wait, wot?

Quote from: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
Capaldi is the first incarnation of the new set of regenerations for The Doctor

Wait, wot?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 08:52:37 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 08:38:52 AM
Quote from: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 10:01:54 AM
Capaldi is the first incarnation of the new set of regenerations for The Doctor

Wait, wot?
Don't you watch the show? He was given a new regeneration cycle by the Time Lords in The Time of the Doctor.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 09:34:24 AM
New cycle? Bradley? (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/2015_UEC_Track_Elite_European_Championships_158_(cropped).JPG/220px-2015_UEC_Track_Elite_European_Championships_158_(cropped).JPG)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 08:52:37 AM
Don't you watch the show? He was given a new regeneration cycle by the Time Lords in The Time of the Doctor.

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 09:34:24 AM
New cycle? Bradley?

The wheels came off new WHO way before I stopped watching.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 08:52:37 AM
Don't you watch the show? He was given a new regeneration cycle by the Time Lords in The Time of the Doctor.

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 09:34:24 AM
New cycle? Bradley?

The wheels came off new WHO way before I stopped watching.
Oh...
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 10:39:58 AM
I stopped taking Who seriously when Jon Pertwee copped it. Milton? (http://www.toimg.net/managed/images/10165597/w482/h298/image.jpg)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 11 March, 2017, 10:42:11 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 10 March, 2017, 09:26:20 AM
I don't watch half as much Doctor Who as I should, but having just looked up the origin story of the Cybermen, is it based on the Tin Man's story in the Wizard of Oz?
Sorry if this has been asked, or explained, a million times before.

The origin cybermen:
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7036/2186/1600/riggcyber7.0.jpg)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 11:48:01 AM
Back on the subject of who we would like to see as the new Doctor - I'd like Tom Hardy.

It's never going to happen of course.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: von Boom on 11 March, 2017, 12:31:04 PM
Hugh Laurie would be one I'd like to see, but again, it would never happen.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: JLC on 10 March, 2017, 11:25:30 PM
Yes, that's what the show needs. Another skinny white bloke. Zzzzzzzzz

Well-intentioned and splendid as some of the suggestions here have been there's absolutely nothing wrong with the Doctor being a skinny white chap, all of them. Saying that, my one-time fedora the explorer was previously Robbie Coltrane but I now want Justin Fletcher, MBE.

Because, y'know. It's about time we had a fattie. And by that, I mean a really fat Doctor, not someone who's been eating his gumblejacks battered and deep-fried between seasons.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Dr Tumble? No thanks. That would be moving the show back to Slyvester McCoy territory.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 01:37:15 PM
Cacomorphobe.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 02:09:07 PM
Nothing to do with that.

Just the jokey nature that I imagine the show would take with such a lead.

Anyway I am not sure why Justin Fletcher is being referred to as rotund. Unless I am very much mistaken, he isn't really.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Dr Tumble? No thanks. That would be moving the show back to Slyvester McCoy territory.
Urgh, the worst Doctor ever!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2017, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Dr Tumble? No thanks. That would be moving the show back to Slyvester McCoy territory.
Urgh, the worst Doctor ever!
'Le Gasp' How wrong you are sir!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Proudhuff on 11 March, 2017, 02:18:38 PM
Danny Dryer has been confirmed.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 02:21:39 PM
A big lead doesn't automatically mean a jokey show. (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/7f/67/49/7f6749e4eff92575425a2e5f6e8f8bcf.jpg)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2017, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Dr Tumble? No thanks. That would be moving the show back to Slyvester McCoy territory.
Urgh, the worst Doctor ever!
'Le Gasp' How wrong you are sir!
Even audio hasn't saved him, like it did for 6th Doctor. Awful actor, awful Doctor.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 02:21:39 PM
A big lead doesn't automatically mean a jokey show. (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/7f/67/49/7f6749e4eff92575425a2e5f6e8f8bcf.jpg)

No it doesn't.

That's not at all what I am saying.

It wasn't me that mentioned size at all. My point was just about Justin Fletcher and the sort of characters he is associated with playing, which having young kids I have watched quite a bit of e.g "Something Special" in which he plays Mr Tumble, Grandpa Tumble etc.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 04:00:25 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 03:28:38 PM
It wasn't me that mentioned size at all. My point was just about Justin Fletcher and the sort of characters he is associated with playing, which having young kids I have watched quite a bit of e.g "Something Special" in which he plays Mr Tumble, Grandpa Tumble etc.

Unlike Coltrane who, prior to CRACKER, was mostly associated with his dramatic roles in THE COMIC STRIP PRESENTS and that cameo in FLASH GORDON.

I must say you do seem to be taking this a lot more seriously than intended.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 04:38:31 PM
Well if you put a smiley when calling someone out then I will know you are joking.

Doesn't help when you use words I have to look up :lol:
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 04:46:16 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 03:28:38 PM

No it doesn't.

That's not at all what I am saying.

It wasn't me that mentioned size at all. My point was just about Justin Fletcher and the sort of characters he is associated with playing, which having young kids I have watched quite a bit of e.g "Something Special" in which he plays Mr Tumble, Grandpa Tumble etc.

Apologies - no offence intended.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 04:51:52 PM
Thanks. We're cool.

The Internet, hey?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 04:57:29 PM
Gotta love the internet.

(https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fbcm.com.au%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F05%2Fpost_why-i-love-the-internet-and-bananas-03.jpg&sp=0cc968c5fe860248eed8e8bf1f4f976b)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 05:07:36 PM
What an odd collection of individuals...
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 05:19:41 PM
You're just realising this now?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 05:43:46 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 05:19:41 PM
You're just realising this now?
Yes. I only joined last month.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 March, 2017, 06:13:51 PM
Well, welcome!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Tony Angelino on 11 March, 2017, 06:22:39 PM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2017, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Dr Tumble? No thanks. That would be moving the show back to Slyvester McCoy territory.
Urgh, the worst Doctor ever!
'Le Gasp' How wrong you are sir!
Even audio hasn't saved him, like it did for 6th Doctor. Awful actor, awful Doctor.

Have to agree that Sylvester McCoy was not good as the Doctor. Cant watch his stuff. I can remember watching his first episode on the show (one of the Rani ones) and just sitting there unbelieving that the whole thing was actually happening.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 11 March, 2017, 06:22:39 PM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2017, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Dr Tumble? No thanks. That would be moving the show back to Slyvester McCoy territory.
Urgh, the worst Doctor ever!
'Le Gasp' How wrong you are sir!
Even audio hasn't saved him, like it did for 6th Doctor. Awful actor, awful Doctor.

Have to agree that Sylvester McCoy was not good as the Doctor. Cant watch his stuff. I can remember watching his first episode on the show (one of the Rani ones) and just sitting there unbelieving that the whole thing was actually happening.
I see one Rani and raise you four serials.

Battlefield
Ghostlight
Curse of Fenric
Survival
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 11 March, 2017, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
Battlefield
Ghostlight
Curse of Fenric
Survival

I'd be swapping Battlefield and Survival out for Greatest Show in the Galaxy and Remembrance of the Daleks if I was compiling a list of highlights from the McCoy era. (Ghostlight, however, stands proud amongst the very finest Who stories, in my book.) Much like David Tennant, McCoy was not a good Doctor - in fact, he may well have been the worst - but he did have some good stories.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 11 March, 2017, 07:41:41 PM
For me Chris Ecclestone will always be the worst Doctor.  That overly cheeky happy chappy that completely misunderstood the character.  Sort of Tom Baker at his worst, just having a laugh.  On the other side, it was enough to get the series through the next ten odd years ...
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 11 March, 2017, 07:43:12 PM
Whereas I'd put Eccleston in my top 3 best Doctors!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 08:41:52 PM
I'd put both Ecceleston and Tennant in my top 3.

Probably.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 11:01:17 PM
Appealing as I found Ecclestone, he wasn't owt much like any of the previous Doctors, a'right? For me, he didn't feel like a genuine continuation; that, despite RTD's tenure being everything '80s WHO is accused of, just with a decent budget.

As Leigh S. (I think) commented at the time, Tennant was Timmy Mallett. Brilliannnnnnnnt!

Or not.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Leigh S on 11 March, 2017, 11:09:06 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 11 March, 2017, 11:01:17 PM
Appealing as I found Ecclestone, he wasn't owt much like any of the previous Doctors, a'right? For me, he didn't feel like a genuine continuation; that, despite RTD's tenure being everything '80s WHO is accused of, just with a decent budget.

As Leigh S. (I think) commented at the time, Tennant was Timmy Mallett. Brilliannnnnnnnt!

Or not.

Yeah - Mallett and Tennant was me.  He isnt a bad actor, but he is certainly my least favourite Doctor at his Timmyesque worst
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 12 March, 2017, 12:05:11 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 11 March, 2017, 11:09:06 PM
He isnt a bad actor, but he is certainly my least favourite Doctor at his Timmyesque worst

Tennant's engagingly personable out of character (so too Clive Owen) and I do genuinely like his voice-over work (hmm, so too Clive Owen) but the only time I actually enjoyed his performance as the Doctor was 'Tooth and Claw' when he wasn't chewing his way through being David Mockney.

Worse though were the One Chance Only threats his Doctor issued, something I would've found more convincing had Tennant acted against the naff dourness of the lines.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 12 March, 2017, 02:28:38 AM
Quote from: Greg M. on 11 March, 2017, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2017, 07:22:53 PM
Battlefield
Ghostlight
Curse of Fenric
Survival

I'd be swapping Battlefield and Survival out for Greatest Show in the Galaxy and Remembrance of the Daleks if I was compiling a list of highlights from the McCoy era. (Ghostlight, however, stands proud amongst the very finest Who stories, in my book.) Much like David Tennant, McCoy was not a good Doctor - in fact, he may well have been the worst - but he did have some good stories.

I'm partial to Paradise Towers myself, perhaps because it's the closest TV Who got to Mega-City One gang wars ;)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Tiplodocus on 13 March, 2017, 12:16:45 AM
 For some reason as I was watching KONG I wondered if they had ever considered a handsome, square-jawed hunk like Toby Kebbel as the Doc?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 13 March, 2017, 07:11:49 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 13 March, 2017, 12:16:45 AM
For some reason as I was watching KONG I wondered if they had ever considered a handsome, square-jawed hunk like Toby Kebbel as the Doc?

Not only considered but cast (http://www.denofgeek.us/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/main_wide/public/0/57/fantastic_four_lead_14.jpg/).
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 13 March, 2017, 07:27:52 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 13 March, 2017, 07:11:49 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 13 March, 2017, 12:16:45 AM
For some reason as I was watching KONG I wondered if they had ever considered a handsome, square-jawed hunk like Toby Kebbel as the Doc?

Not only considered but cast (http://www.denofgeek.us/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/main_wide/public/0/57/fantastic_four_lead_14.jpg/).
That's from Fantastic 4 not Doctor Who, & I wouldn't consider him a handsome square jawed hunk!!!!!!
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 13 March, 2017, 08:06:28 AM
Quote from: JLC on 13 March, 2017, 07:27:52 AM
That's from Fantastic 4 not Doctor Who

You're Jay Leno, right?
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 13 March, 2017, 10:02:29 AM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 13 March, 2017, 07:11:49 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 13 March, 2017, 12:16:45 AM
For some reason as I was watching KONG I wondered if they had ever considered a handsome, square-jawed hunk like Toby Kebbel as the Doc?

Not only considered but cast (http://www.denofgeek.us/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/main_wide/public/0/57/fantastic_four_lead_14.jpg/).
Oh sweet LORD! Is it so difficult for movie studio to do Dr.Doom right when Flash Gordon did it in the 80's?!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d8/29/83/d829832199b707bfad1b870322e98367.jpg)
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 13 March, 2017, 03:58:45 PM
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 13 March, 2017, 08:06:28 AM
Quote from: JLC on 13 March, 2017, 07:27:52 AM
That's from Fantastic 4 not Doctor Who

You're Jay Leno, right?
Dunno who that is, but I'm JLC
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 13 March, 2017, 04:49:28 PM
Hmm, my Scojo Detector just blipped then fell into an uncertain silence...
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: The Corinthian on 13 March, 2017, 04:50:55 PM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 11 March, 2017, 02:18:24 PM
Quote from: JLC on 11 March, 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 11 March, 2017, 01:25:51 PM
Dr Tumble? No thanks. That would be moving the show back to Slyvester McCoy territory.
Urgh, the worst Doctor ever!
'Le Gasp' How wrong you are sir!
Even audio hasn't saved him, like it did for 6th Doctor. Awful actor, awful Doctor.

Colin Baker has a coat suitable for audio. Sylvester McCoy has a voice suitable for mime.
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 13 March, 2017, 05:39:46 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 13 March, 2017, 04:49:28 PM
Hmm, my Scojo Detector just blipped then fell into an uncertain silence...

Ditto
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: JLC on 23 April, 2017, 02:51:19 PM
Kris Marshall
Title: Re: The 13th Doctor
Post by: Proudhuff on 23 April, 2017, 03:10:37 PM
er, just don't wear the badges....?