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Started by GrinningChimera, 31 October, 2013, 06:24:28 PM

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Dandontdare

Quote from: Dandontdare on 01 November, 2013, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 October, 2013, 07:38:50 PM
Quote from: GrinningChimera on 31 October, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

You may not agree, but these are perfectly valid opinions

Quote from: Spaceghost on 01 November, 2013, 09:46:59 PM
As for the above opinions being 'valid', I would have to argue that it takes more than just being uttered by a human to make an opinion valid. Some people are just too frigging stupid to have their opinion taken seriously.

So if someone thinks that they don't like Dredd because it's too violent, which is the gist of the opinions I highlighted, then they are  "friging stupid"?

I fucking hate  this 'opinion-fascism', whereby if somebody doesn't like what you do they're slagged off for being stupid.

Dredd is a niche movie. Not everyone is going to like it. Get over it.

Oh sorry, I forgot this is the internet. If you don't like what I like you're obviously EVIL!!!

Dandontdare

bollox. messed up the quotes.

But you get my drift

Spaceghost

Calm down pal. I was speaking more generally about thick buggers imagining that their opinion deserves to be taken seriously.

Judging by the level of spelling, grammar and grasp of the basic facts, I'd say thosd punters are on the 'dimbo' side.

If all you've ever eaten is beans on toast, you're not qualified to make a judgment on a gourmet meal.

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dweezil2

What confounds me is why you'd watch a clearly violent R/18 movie and then complain about its violence.
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GrinningChimera

-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

Really? I was just going to ignore the R18 certificate and show it to my 5 year old

-This is such a bad remake of a barely watchable original.


A remake would mean following the same story as the original

-I watched about 15 minutes of this and shut it off. The Stallone version was way better, and it was just ok.

You must be a closet Stallone fan huh

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

Usually when I go to see a movie, I find out SOMETHING before I go see it. Even if I don't watch the trailer, the poster gives you some idea that it's going to be an action movie. Loud comes with the territory. I guess you complain about the noise levels at concerts too.

-Can't replace Stalone and expect anything good


I can't think of any role that I would consider him to be irreplaceable in

- It has really bad graphics for a movie that is supposed to take place in the future.


You mean the 3d? Or the slo-mo effects? Or just the generally awesome cg?

- I love the Die Hards, so violence isn't something I shrink from...but it has to have substantial heroes with some morality and a hint of honor.

It's funny how similar the endings to Die Hard and Dredd are

-Is just look fake, exaggerated, unbelievable and trying to have the actor look and act like Silvester, was a negative impact on the movie.


Both actors are playing the same character. There are certain expectations.


-They really have no reason to move around. There is no tension. There is little impelling the story to go to the next scene. AND the whole thing is pretty racist.

So you would rather they didn't look for a way to get out after being locked inside? And racism? What movie were you watching??

-This movie is in direct conflict with the principles of American society.

See Dudleys response

-it was the most depressing movie I have ever seen. woman bites off a mans body part with her teeth, has everyone making and or selling drugs. uses her hands to blind her own son, throwing men off the 200 floor. I will never watch this movie again

Depressing? You haven't seen Requiem For A Dream have you? If you think that movie was depressing I'd advise against opening a newspaper or turning on the tv

TordelBack

While I, and any of my family and friends who have seen it, think very highly of Dredd, there are some reasonable observations there, and some real factors that might lead to people not liking it. 

The world it depicts is depressing: Ma Ma as a villain personifies the pointless despair of the situation, rather than being a monster to be slain in order to regain a better status quo.  I think this is one of the movie's great strengths, but I can see how someone else might look to a SF action movie to have a more positive ending.

The film is violent - far too violent to show my kids for many years to come, for example.  I'd have liked a Dredd we could share, so while I think the violence works exremely well, I can see how it's not something that is universally welcome.


Hawkmumbler

Quote from: dweezil2 on 01 November, 2013, 10:42:32 PM
What confounds me is why you'd watch a clearly violent R/18 movie and then complain about its violence.
This is what makes my tits sour. And I hear it all the time. Problem is is that Dredd reflects the issues with violence and the effects it has a lot more realistically than any of the watered down PG-13/12A twaddle weave been served recently, with no consequences being present at all.

CrazyFoxMachine

Yes I know quite a sensitive chap who went to see it and he despised it - thought it was upsettingly downbeat and overtly violent. He didn't care about Dredd or Dredd's world and got nothing out of it.

What he was "lacking" was the context really, something we were all acutely aware of when we went into the cinema. It's easy to see why some people didn't like it although the majority of other non-Dredd fans I know seemed to enjoy it without this. But there you go.

and you know what, that's opinion for you. Oh to live in a world where literally everyone agrees with everything you say. How boring.

To make fun of anonymous Amazon authors for not understanding the context of a film you enjoy is a ridiculous waste of time.... just my opinion of course.

QuoteI was speaking more generally about thick buggers imagining that their opinion deserves to be taken seriously.

hmm.

Charlie boy

Is it too late to change the title of this thread to IF YOU DON'T LIKE METAL DREDD YOU'RE NOT MY FRIEND ?

Hawkmumbler

Personaly I don't care if people disliked it. That's their opinion and they can have it. What I do care is wether these opinions can be supported in a logical way, rather than none-sensicle ramblings.

TordelBack

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 03 November, 2013, 12:46:27 PMWhat I do care is wether these opinions can be supported in a logical way, rather than none-sensicle ramblings.

Logic? My God, the man's talking about logic; we're talking about universal Armageddon! You green-blooded, inhuman...

Tiplodocus

And, of course, some people that go see a film don't always do so by choice. They go because their partner wants to see it.

In which case I would say they are perfectly entitled to think it too dystopian, downbeat, loud, violent or gory.

And again, you can show consequences of violent actions without explicit gore. It doesn't have to be 18 to be Dredd.
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QuoteQuote from: GrinningChimera on 31 October, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
-This movie is absolutely not for young people. It will probably give me a nightmare tonight. Really.

-Not my type of movie or entertainment. Too violent and loud sound affects.

You may not agree, but these are perfectly valid opinions

They may be valid opinions, but that does not make them valid reasons for giving a one-star review to an 18 or R-rated action film. Being unsuitable for young people is not a logical reason for criticising a film intended for adults. Being violent or loud is a stupid criticism to level against an action film. And "not my type of film" has no place in a film review, because it tells you nothing about the film, it only tells you about the reviewer.

Quotesome people that go see a film don't always do so by choice.

Well that's their stupid fault. If they are grown-ups then they should be able to make their own decisions. Don't their girlfriends/boyfriends/spouses/civil partners have their own like-minded friends they can see those films with? If they tag along to a film they know in advance they are not going to like, then what value is their opinion of the film?

I don't like opera, but I'm not arrogant or self-important or, yes, stupid enough to go to see an opera and then go online and give it a shit review because "I don't like opera" or "there was too much singing, and who was that fat woman at the end? They should have got a size zero model..." It's just self-evidently ridiculous, or at least it should be.

radiator

I don't think Dredd is a perfect film by any stretch, and there are completely valid criticisms you could make of it. I can sympathise with people that found it too bleak, or a bit humourless, didn't like the gritty realistic take on the source material or found it hard to identify with Dredd or find a reason to care about his predicament. I don't agree, and think it's a fantastic film, but I can see where those complaints come from.

But I must admit I do find it a bit hard to take when people slag it off for having a simple plot - because it implies that a film of this type having a simple plot is an inherently bad thing - and I resent that.

I think it comes down to changing mainstream tastes in cinema - personally I think films like Dredd are a dying art - and the simplicity and economy in its execution (and short running time) were a breath of fresh air in a cinematic landscape dominated by overlong, bloated, plot-hole-ridden, narratively-unsatisfying destruction-porn blockbusters of the week.

I had a heated argument with some bloke on another site who said that Dredd was 'boring' because it had 'no plot' and was 'just Dredd shooting a few drug dealers', and that the Stallone Dredd movie was much better because it had 'a more epic story'. There's no arguing with people like that - they just want to see loads of stuff happening in a film, and don't seem to really analyse that stuff or even think about it that much. They just want the sensory overload and loads of cgi and action and constant plot-twists and don't really care about story, or character, or narrative coherence or pacing or anything like that. I just can't relate to that. In some sense - and it seems a strange thing to say about a violent action movie - I think Dredd was perhaps too subtle for a lot of people.

QuoteAnd "not my type of film" has no place in a film review, because it tells you nothing about the film, it only tells you about the reviewer.

A relative of mine said that Dredd 'wasn't her cup of tea' so didn't watch it - but I kind of reject this mentality. While there are genres I am more partial to and more likely to enjoy, I don't flat-out refuse to watch other genres. I like to think that most people can enjoy any genre of movie, providing what they are watching is a good example of it. I think most rom-coms are tripe for example, but When Harry Met Sally - the definitive rom-com - is one of my favourite films.

dweezil2

You could argue that Scary Movie 5 has got a more intricate plot, but it doesn't make it any less shit.

Dredd's plot is solid and compact and all the better for it.

As you say radiator, a refreshing change from all the convoluted, overwritten and CGI heavy movies that exemplify mainstream cinema today.
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