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Title: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: A.Cow on 10 June, 2017, 02:40:21 PM
Blimey!  Bit of an action-fest this week.  Here's my personal ha'pennyworth:

Cover: -- Good to see Lobot getting his own cover.  Who'da thunk?




(http://2000ad.com/assets/pimg/00/1a/58-460.jpg) (http://2000ad.com/post/1914)(http://application.denofgeek.com/images/m/starwarslist/002_Lobot.jpg)
Lobot (http://www.starwars.com/databank/lobot) from Star Wars
The Traitor General

Nerve Centre -- When inner pages start with David Roach art and Apocalypse Now quotes, you know you're in a for wild ride.  No-one does heads tilted back like the Roachster!

Judge Dredd: The Fields (part one) -- Chris Weston, living god, wowing us with his usual top-notch artwork.  (Looks a tad different to usual; does he usually do his own colour?  At first glance I thought this was drawn by that excellent young upstart Mark Sexton.)  Rob Williams bats it out of the park with a cracking first episode.

Brink: Skeleton Life (part 13) -- things hot up, and it's solid plot this week.  However, I think I.N.J. Cublard's art style doesn't work so well for fast-paced action.

Defoe: Diehards (part ten) -- 6 pages of "some publisher screwed me over" from the Mills droid ... and yet it works far better than you'd expect, with great writing from Mills and interesting art from Colin MacNeil.  It infuriates me how Pat Mills thrashes back-and-forth between brilliant & awful.  Thankfully we're getting the former this week.

Grey Area: Back in Black (part one) -- a dense re-introduction, with Dark Harrison's art perfectly balancing the gritty universe our heroes inhabit.  Looking forward to seeing where this goes next.

Hunted: Furies (part two) -- when the lead character appears in only 3 panels, you know a tangled web is being weaven woved woven.  All the players are still being introduced, so nothing much to see here yet.  P.J. Holden seemingly channelling John McCrea on page 4.

So, in summary ... just when we thought things were slowing down a bit, Tharg pulls a sudden boost of acceleration on us.  Great stuff!
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 10 June, 2017, 03:25:42 PM
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/Caliban_photos/DD4FA2D7-5859-46FE-8648-86B2B4A7628E_zpskpsj7xeo.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Geoff on 10 June, 2017, 04:15:34 PM
Tharg, with this Weston Dredd you are really spoiling us! Worth the price of admission on its own!

Brink still on good form though and nice to see Resting Bitch Face is back.  Can take or leave Defoe and TG.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Dandontdare on 10 June, 2017, 04:29:39 PM
No prog for me today, but Weston on Dredd? Yes please!
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 10 June, 2017, 06:20:38 PM
I presume 'Judge Dredd - The Fields' will be an epic account of Dredd clashing with those pesky rich kids who insist on running through the wheat fields. :P
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 June, 2017, 07:15:53 PM
I've got to agree with everything said so far.  Quality work all round.  I only have one gripe; for me Holden is the wrong artist for Hunted.  His style just doesn't seem to sit quite right for the type of story.  Perhaps it is that we've been spoilt over the years on Rogue Trooper and the slowly developing universe building strips we've had.  Jaegir is probably a prime example here.  I'm struggling to put it into words ....

Hey ho.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 June, 2017, 09:18:37 PM
Unlike others who've got here early I found that a steady Prog, not great. The Dredd has real potential but it all set so set-up... that said I am excited to see what comes next. Defoe I'm finding increasingly muh. Now the action has heated up in Brink the strip doesn't feel so special. Its still good, don't get me wrong, in fact very good, its just not Lawless good as it has been this series.

I'm always happy to have Grey Area in the Prog but this was all so recap and reminder. Getting us up to pace the series and where its at. Nice touches but over all a little flat. Plenty of room for this one to develop...

...speaking of flat Hunted really shouldn't be, it was packing it in, but nothing is quite coming together for me. Still early days.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: JoFox2108 on 11 June, 2017, 09:39:32 AM
For me overall this was a fabulous Prog. 

Dredd
Chris Weston's art and Dylan Teague's colours were a visual feast in Dredd and the story is strong and interesting.  What can I say - I totally loved that one! 

Brink
I really enjoyed this one too - suspense and action!  It's just a minor point but I just kind of wish there was less pink in the colours.  I can see how it works with Junot's clothes but the colour seems wrong for the darkness of the story.  I keep expecting a talking unicorn to pop out.

Defoe I'm not really following the story in this - perhaps it's because I'm new to Defoe and don't have knowledge of previous stories in this world.  Anyway I'm going to read the whole thing through in one go when it finishes to see if I can figure it out.  The art is great and seems ideally suited to the subject.

Grey Area  Oh my goodness - this is AMAZING!  Brilliant interesting story from Dan Abnett with the most fabulous edgy interesting art from Mark Harrison.  I totally love it!  Some folks have said how a lot of this part of the story is recap but recap really really helps when you've not seen previous stories from the same universe before.   Fabulous work!

Hunted
I'm not following what's going on in this story yet.  I quite like the art although when  it gets to the page 'off world' the colour is a bit much for my taste.

Overall though - FABULOUS!
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: jabish on 11 June, 2017, 01:16:50 PM
Quote from: JoFox2108 on 11 June, 2017, 09:39:32 AM

Defoe I'm not really following the story in this - perhaps it's because I'm new to Defoe and don't have knowledge of previous stories in this world....

Grey Area ...Some folks have said how a lot of this part of the story is recap but recap really really helps when you've not seen previous stories from the same universe before...

Hunted
I'm not following what's going on in this story yet...


I know it's a drum I've banged before but this is a great example of someone fairly new to the prog having trouble with ongoing series. The tiny recaps on the input page aren't enough. When a story returns it would really help new readers if there was a proper recap page in the prog or even a page on 2000adonline.com getting people up to speed. I'd prefer that to a letters page.

Dan Abnett has expertly done a simple catch up in Grey Area this week (and I think outside of John Wagner he's one of the best writers 2000ad has at the moment at writing stories in weekly episodes). I understand that not every writer will want to do that. Some help for new readers would be great and I think would help sales of the collections too. If there was indeed a boost in new or returning readers due to all the buzz around the 40th they need to be kept onboard rather than give up on the prog because they might find it a bit impenetrable.

I'm enjoying the prog at the mo but I've been reading a long time now.

My two pence.

Cheers

JB
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: IndigoPrime on 11 June, 2017, 03:37:59 PM
As someone with every issue, I'd go for that myself, too. There'd need to be a balance, and it likely wouldn't be necessary for every strip (and certainly not every issue – I recall when the Meg once had leading pages of the sort – what a waste). But, yeah, with the more complex strips a lengthier recap of some sort might be nice.

I'll at least try to help with Hunted:

In the far future, a war is waged between two factions, the Norts and the Southers, with Nu-Earth being vital territory. The Southers create generically engineered warriors, who are dropped into battle, but a traitor general leaks the plan. The GIs are slaughtered, bar the one who becomes the Rogue Trooper, waging a one-man war and trying to find the man who betrayed his brothers. Hunted is the untold tale of the traitor.

Grey Area, I think summed everything up nicely. Defoe: no idea. That's lost me and I'm barely reading it now anyway.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Dandontdare on 11 June, 2017, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: JoFox2108 on 11 June, 2017, 09:39:32 AM
Defoe I'm not really following the story in this - perhaps it's because I'm new to Defoe and don't have knowledge of previous stories in this world. 

trust me, it doesn't help
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: jabish on 11 June, 2017, 08:11:15 PM
Absolutely no need for one every prog that was just page filler in the magazine days. Like you say it would be most useful for multi-book strips which are continuity heavy or that have been on long hiatus. I can't imagine how a new reader would have a clue what's happening in, say, Brass Sun when it returns if there's no previously on... Some strips wouldn't need it so much. Strontium Dog is a good example of that because most recent tales have been self contained and any continuity points that readers need to know are dealt with in the strip. There's a skill to that in itself. It would be very useful in jumping on progs too.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Magnetica on 11 June, 2017, 11:11:52 PM
Great Prog this week.

Dredd - great opener, great art.

Brink - just fab. I also thought the colouring was a bit pink - especially when used on the panel borders as well. Can't agree Culbard's art doesn't suit action. Indeed [spoiler]the shooting [/spoiler]seems to pack more punch as the series so far has been mostly talking.

Defoe - ok so its mostly  a Mills rant at how hard it is to get stuff published but it is still good. Defoe turning up at the exact moment to hear the baddie revealing what was going on was a bit....not sure what the word is...a bit B movie? Or just a bit rubbish???

Grey Area - just top stuff. If there is anything better than a Dan Abnett story in a Prog, it is two Dan Abnett stories in a Prog. Nice art too.

Hunted ...let's just say it has its work cut out to compete in a line up this strong.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Proudhuff on 12 June, 2017, 02:47:59 PM
All great stuff, Grey area to a couple of attempts but worth it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: JoFox2108 on 12 June, 2017, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 11 June, 2017, 03:37:59 PM

I'll at least try to help with Hunted:

In the far future, a war is waged between two factions, the Norts and the Southers, with Nu-Earth being vital territory. The Southers create generically engineered warriors, who are dropped into battle, but a traitor general leaks the plan. The GIs are slaughtered, bar the one who becomes the Rogue Trooper, waging a one-man war and trying to find the man who betrayed his brothers. Hunted is the untold tale of the traitor.



Thanks for this - it is really helpful!    :D
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Smith on 14 June, 2017, 08:42:12 AM
Dredd and Hunted are great,Defoe is still average as always,and I couldn't care less about Grey Area and Brink.
I like Weston's art,but those are some huge badges. :)
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Frank on 14 June, 2017, 07:27:31 PM
Quote from: A.Cow on 10 June, 2017, 02:40:21 PM
Judge Dredd: The Fields (part one) -- Chris Weston, living god, wowing us with his usual top-notch artwork.  (Looks a tad different to usual; does he usually do his own colour?)

Prog 1800's The Death Of DAN-E Cannon was unadulterated Weston, with just as much purple as that suggests, but 1889-1890's The Heart Is A Lonely Klegg Hunter benefitted from the appropriately sensitive palette of Mike Dowling*, so it depends what you mean by 'usually'.

Today's Dredd, with the emergency services evacuating a burning tower block, was inadvertently topical. Like Taryn, I'm intrigued by the title of The Fields - if it was a Carroll story Higbee would be transported to Titan for stealing Tiernan Trevelyn's corn (http://celtic-lyrics.com/lyrics/195.html).

'I AM SJS JUDGE PIN'

... and the great low angle on the character's Deadworld-skinny physique are as significant a character introduction as Deep In The Heart's HERE IS PARADOX VEGA, PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOVE HER episode. Like George's granny, Pin's mouth is puckered like a dog's bottom [/roalddahl].

I wonder if this is Williams opening up a second narrative front, or if SJS Judge Pin will turn out to be one of Smiley's people and the fields of the title refer to the Enceladus energy field technology that seems set to define Williams's long form contributions to Dreddology.

Pin is fanatical enough to be a remnant of Bachmann's failed religious coup, but a prank call and a knife across the throat are too low tech for Smiley's invisible ninja army. I want to say he has an Edgar vibe**, but Pin's androgynous frame means I'm not sure of the character's gender.

I was going to nominate the reuse of pose and background in the first and fifth images of p.5 for lazy bastard panel of the week, then I realised it illustrates the progress of the firefighting effort, so it's actually an example of good storytelling and Dave Gibbons' proscenium arch theory of visual focus.

I know that's far too much commentary for a six page Dredd, but I'm planning to boost the popularity of the IGNORE function with a lengthy comparison of Brink and Defoe's contrasting use of the detective story format in the context of a weekly serial. You've been warned.



* Weston started painting the strip, but decided that would drive him insane

** McVay and Deep In The Heart's Duke look like they were separated at birth, although the former's soup strainer is more Paw Broon than Sam Elliott. Pin's an unusual name - I know Williams is a fan of Radio Four comedy, so maybe it's a reference to The Pin (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06mvbg9)
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Geoff on 14 June, 2017, 08:14:36 PM
Weston and Dowling really were a dream team on Sensitive Klegg. Locked me back into 2000ad for good I think.

Look forward to your further musings Frank..!
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 June, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
It took me sooooo long to read that Dredd as I had to keep stopping to just drool over the loevly deisgn work - the H wagon is a thing of beauty, but even that bike in the background of page one is great (Those  SJS badges did look a tad huge though!)

I really hope that [spoiler]Pin is just a psycho serial killer that Dredd tracks down and brings to justice, rather than part of some hidden Justice Dept hit-squad conspiracy - I'm getting a bit weary of that cliche/spoiler]

Everything else is chundering along in a most satisfactorty manner - there isn't anything I'm disappointed to see at the moment.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 June, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 14 June, 2017, 09:38:43 PM
It took me sooooo long to read that Dredd as I had to keep stopping to just drool over the loevly deisgn work - the H wagon is a thing of beauty, but even that bike in the background of page one is great (Those  SJS badges did look a tad huge though!)

I really hope that [spoiler]Pin is just a psycho serial killer that Dredd tracks down and brings to justice, rather than part of some hidden Justice Dept hit-squad conspiracy - I'm getting a bit weary of that cliche/spoiler]

Everything else is chundering along in a most satisfactorty manner - there isn't anything I'm disappointed to see at the moment.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 June, 2017, 09:40:09 PM
bugger. bolloxed up that spoiler edit -Why does the edit function vanish on this thread?
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: sheridan on 15 June, 2017, 08:46:11 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 14 June, 2017, 09:40:09 PM
bugger. bolloxed up that spoiler edit -Why does the edit function vanish on this thread?
I agree with what you spoilered.  I like a [spoiler]good conspiracy as much as the next Squaxx, but we've got enough in Justice Department at the moment[/spoiler].
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Tjm86 on 15 June, 2017, 09:18:17 AM
I keep looking at the cover trying to figure out what it was that was throwing me.  Then it twigged: What is Ulysses Sweet doing on the cover?
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: sheridan on 15 June, 2017, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: Frank on 14 June, 2017, 07:27:31 PM
'I AM SJS JUDGE PIN'

... and the great low angle on the character's Deadworld-skinny physique are as significant a character introduction as Deep In The Heart's HERE IS PARADOX VEGA, PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOVE HER episode. Like George's granny, Pin's mouth is puckered like a dog's bottom [/roalddahl].
Glad I'm not the only one who's thoughts strayed in that direction.  Can't find the iconic Cassidy panel, so have this instead:
(http://geekhardshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/652943-3601_20080217092956_large.jpg)


QuoteI was going to nominate the reuse of pose and background in the first and fifth images of p.5 for lazy bastard panel of the week, then I realised it illustrates the progress of the firefighting effort, so it's actually an example of good storytelling and Dave Gibbons' proscenium arch theory of visual focus.

I've not heard of that before - is it in relation to just one page of a given story or can it be applied to recurring images in a chapter?
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: norton canes on 15 June, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
Cover: Great expression and composition, but looking at the concept sketches, it's a shame that the final rendering has kind of smoothed off all the rough edges, making the result look less like a piece of comic art. 

Dredd: OK, let's summarise the best thing about this week's prog in one word: PIN. A genuinely unsettling character - there's something actually disturbing about seeing an old, wizened frame in a Judge's uniform - and that badge! Genius. Story-wise an excellent first episode, though the last-page skip to 'two months later...' was a bit awkward.

Brink: Like I said last week, this doesn't quite have the same sense of foreboding now the mystery is being peeled away. But excellent all the same.

Defoe: Pat's off on one! Nice comedy interlude.

Grey Area: First time this has come round since I re-started reading the prog a few months ago.

Actually this is a good time to echo what was said up-thread, about ongoing stories. Yes, I would appreciate a more comprehensive introduction to returning strips, even if the author has included a recap of sorts in the dialogue. The Nerve Centre paragraphs aren't enough.

More to the point though, I don't see why every single strip in 2000 AD - with the notable exception of Dredd - has to be an on-going epic with a storyline that continues over a dozen or so episodes. Why can't we have more strips that follow the Dredd template of stories that vary from a single prog to six/seven/eight instalments? Why can't more strips/characters be written with this in mind? Why can't we have characters whose strips consist of shorter adventures? Why do they always have to go for the endless long-form stories? Shorter stories clearly work for Dredd, and if a formula is working for your main character then it's clearly viable. It makes Dredd seem such an anomaly that it's the only strip that works in this way. It's not like multiple shorter stories can't also be collected in trade paperbacks, if that's Rebellion's concern. It just becomes a bit tiresome when every story feels like five pages torn out of a longer book.

Let's have a referendum. Should strips with shorter episode counts return to 2000 AD?

Oh yeah, almost forgot...

Hunted: Still not really either enjoying or seeing the point.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Frank on 15 June, 2017, 11:00:27 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 15 June, 2017, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: Frank on 15 June, 2017, 09:54:53 AM
it's actually an example of good storytelling and Dave Gibbons' proscenium arch theory of visual focus.

I've not heard of that before - is it in relation to just one page of a given story or can it be applied to recurring images in a chapter?

Gibbons describes how the regularity of the nine panel grid he applied on Watchmen meant the reader stopped looking at page layouts and followed the action unfolding within the panels. He used the same-panel-slightly-different technique within that schema, to illustrate movement or the passing of time.

Listening to the latest Thrillcast (https://player.fm/series/the-2000-ad-thrill-cast/the-beginners-guide-to-writing-judge-dredd), it sounds like Dandontdare can relax - SJS Judge Pin won't be turning into an ice monster any time soon - but Weston did plan Pin as a character [spoiler]he and Williams will be returning to[/spoiler]. Trite observation: he is actually shaped a bit like a pin.


Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: norton canes on 15 June, 2017, 11:06:39 AM
It's such a brilliant name. Thin and sharp, like the character. Pins are a bit scary. And it look fantastic on the badge: PIN
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 June, 2017, 12:25:33 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 15 June, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
More to the point though, I don't see why every single strip in 2000 AD - with the notable exception of Dredd - has to be an on-going epic with a storyline that continues over a dozen or so episodes. Why can't we have more strips that follow the Dredd template of stories that vary from a single prog to six/seven/eight instalments? Why can't more strips/characters be written with this in mind? Why can't we have characters whose strips consist of shorter adventures? Why do they always have to go for the endless long-form stories?... It just becomes a bit tiresome when every story feels like five pages torn out of a longer book.

This came up elsewhere on the board t'other day, and it's a good point. Nikolai Dante was the absolute master of the form - plenty of relatively short, relatively self-contained adventures, not to mention frequent one-prog-and-done stories, and yet they all contributed gradually to the overarcing grand scheme. The other obvious example is Sinister Dexter, but that's long since become another long-form saga since the dimension-hopping nonsesnse started.

I was hoping the likes of Ulysees Sweet pointed the way towards a return to these more self-contained stories - where all a reader really needs to know to get on board with the new story is the gist of the main character(s). He's an insane space mercenary - now read on...
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: TordelBack on 15 June, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
Grey Area is structured this way, right up until the last arc, where the team's exile gave it more of a continuous storyline, and I would expect it to revert now. Other examples include Survival Geeks, Anderson and the shorter-run series like Jaegir and Dandridge, which tend to have self-contained scenarios, albeit within a bigger narrative.  Previous examples in recent years would include the first (superb) run of Damnation Station, and perhaps Indigo Prime

I like a long-running story, but I do agree with a call for an episodic middle ground between Future Shocks/3Rillers and continuity-heavy stuff like Brass Sun.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: TordelBack on 15 June, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 June, 2017, 12:25:33 PMThe other obvious example is Sinister Dexter, but that's long since become another long-form saga since the dimension-hopping nonsesnse started.

Apologies for the double-post, but as one of the top-three of the forum's SinDex apologists, I feel compelled note that the last few short stories were almost entirely self-contained, with only hints at the larger context.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: norton canes on 15 June, 2017, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 15 June, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
Grey Area is structured this way, right up until the last arc, where the team's exile gave it more of a continuous storyline, and I would expect it to revert now. Other examples include Survival Geeks, Anderson and the shorter-run series like Jaegir and Dandridge, which tend to have self-contained scenarios, albeit within a bigger narrative.  Previous examples in recent years would include the first (superb) run of Damnation Station, and perhaps Indigo Prime

I like a long-running story, but I do agree with a call for an episodic middle ground between Future Shocks/3Rillers and continuity-heavy stuff like Brass Sun

Maybe they've just been getting the balance wrong recently then, because since I got on board at Christmas, as far as I can remember pretty much every story except SinDex and the odd Future Shock (and Dredd, as mentioned) has been long-form.

At least one other short-form strip in each prog would be great.   
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Magnetica on 15 June, 2017, 01:26:55 PM
Hmmm...not sure Indigo Prime counts, given the relatively few stories it has had and the eternity between them.

Another great example of doing one offs within a larger narrative is surely good old Strontium Dog.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 15 June, 2017, 01:39:51 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 15 June, 2017, 12:38:45 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 June, 2017, 12:25:33 PMThe other obvious example is Sinister Dexter, but that's long since become another long-form saga since the dimension-hopping nonsesnse started.

Apologies for the double-post, but as one of the top-three of the forum's SinDex apologists, I feel compelled note that the last few short stories were almost entirely self-contained, with only hints at the larger context.

That's fair enough, aye. Dandridge is another good example that I did consider, but as the last story appeared in 2013 I sort of assumed that it wasn't coming back (sadly).
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: TordelBack on 15 June, 2017, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 June, 2017, 01:39:51 PMDandridge is another good example that I did consider, but as the last story appeared in 2013 I sort of assumed that it wasn't coming back (sadly).

Years pass like months, but the days are like weeks, afternoons measured out in coffee spoons, something something TS Eliot.  I would have guessed 2016, 2015 at the outside!

Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Magnetica on 15 June, 2017, 02:18:06 PM
I remember reading somewhere or hearing it mentioned on a talk tecently that there are no plans for anymore Dandridge.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: dweezil2 on 15 June, 2017, 06:34:20 PM
Those SJS uniforms are enough to give Dredd badge envy!

Serious though, they perfectly embody the intimidating nature of the department and scream "we're SJS, don't fuck with us!"

Gorgeous art and a very intriguing opening part!
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 15 June, 2017, 08:29:09 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 15 June, 2017, 01:54:54 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 15 June, 2017, 01:39:51 PMDandridge is another good example that I did consider, but as the last story appeared in 2013 I sort of assumed that it wasn't coming back (sadly).

Years pass like months, but the days are like weeks, afternoons measured out in coffee spoons, something something TS Eliot.  I would have guessed 2016, 2015 at the outside!

The last time we saw Dandridge was in 'The Copper Conspiracy', which ended its run in Prog 1831, which was in 2013.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Frank on 18 June, 2017, 09:21:53 AM

Concise summary: Defoe reads better in weekly installments, Brink is more satisfying taken as a whole.

Defoe errs, perhaps too far, on the side of caution, running through the list of suspects and their possible motives three times in five episodes. The reader is never allowed to forget they're reading a detective story and they're supposed to be speculating, week to week, on whodunnit and why.

Brink has been more a little more freewheeling within the confines of the detective genre - whodunnit seeming less important than the mystery of whether we're reading an X-Files supernatural, cosmic thriller or a human drama concerning double cross and corruption.

Without last series's clever feint of icing the apparent title character, Skeleton Life's mystery and ability to intrigue rested entirely with the question of whether the bad guys were elder gods or Senior Vice Presidents. Once that became clear, I'm not sure I cared which of the humans was behind the human trafficking.

Asher's relationship with Marian was outlined nicely in the opening scene, but the personalities of him, Styles, and Otis - and, therefore, their motives - were as well defined as a Steve Yeowell convention sketch. Mills paints his suspects with the broadest of brush strokes , but, week by week, I had a clear picture of their personalities and possible motives.

Skelton Life is a better written story than Diehards in almost every way - in a single read, Bridge, Vita, and even Fil are convincing characters, and the sense of atmosphere is palpable. But on a weekly basis, it was only my prior investment in Kurtis and the future direction of the strip that kept me invested.

Cruder on every possible level, Mills's knockabout comedy and sledgehammer social satire served up a more satisfying six pages every seven days. In between his extended tirade on the suspect nature of anyone who writes for reasons other than financial reward, Uncle Pat made sure I was either laughing or grossed out.

Detective stories are surprisingly rare in Tharg's canon*. On the evidence of this small sample, the gumshoe format is a good way of pulling the reader through a weekly serial, but the whodunnit formula - with its concentration on character and motive - is a more compelling method of maintaining interest than making the genre of the story the source of mystery.



The Killing Of Kidd (275-281) represents the best of a narrow field.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Frank on 18 June, 2017, 09:54:53 AM
Quote from: JoFox2108 on 11 June, 2017, 09:39:32 AM
Brink ...  It's just a minor point but I just kind of wish there was less pink in the colours.  I can see how it works with Junot's clothes but the colour seems wrong for the darkness of the story.  I keep expecting a talking unicorn to pop out.

The pink borders denote a world in which Ivanka enjoys complete control of her environment. As that control slips away - as the character falls into unconsciousness - the pink border on the second page gradually fades into black. Clever, subtle visual storytelling.

The plot of this series - trusted family retainers exploit rumours of ghosts to drive down the value of an uninhabited building/previously successful business, so it can be purchased at a reduced price - is similarly sophisticated, recalling the classics of antiquity:


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Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Jacqusie on 18 June, 2017, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: Frank on 18 June, 2017, 09:21:53 AM

...as well defined as a Steve Yeowell convention sketch...

...Detective stories are surprisingly rare in Tharg's canon*



Saucer of Milk... Yeowell doesn't really deserve the stick he gets on here IMHO.

I lost the rest of your obviously well informed information and insider knowledge looking for the other twin asterisk *






* I didn't find it
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 June, 2017, 03:41:33 PM
Quote from: Jacqusie on 18 June, 2017, 02:15:15 PM
Quote from: Frank on 18 June, 2017, 09:21:53 AM

...as well defined as a Steve Yeowell convention sketch...

...Detective stories are surprisingly rare in Tharg's canon*



Saucer of Milk... Yeowell doesn't really deserve the stick he gets on here IMHO.

Yeah but the leader of his gang insist Steve Yeowell isn't a talented artist and so regardless of his obvious talent he has to say things like that.

As you rightly say the Mighty Yeowell comes in for some needless stick in these parts, but fear not there are a good few of us who see his considerable talents and don't worry about the fact that he doesn't use lots of little (unnessecary) lines.
Title: Re: Prog 2035 - War Games
Post by: Frank on 18 June, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
Quote from: Jacqusie on 18 June, 2017, 02:15:15 PM
Yeowell doesn't really deserve the stick he gets on here

Je t'aime Stevie Owl and have often fought his corner back to back with Colin YNWA, like Double Dragon. He's just an example of an artist whose style doesn't involve (and doesn't need) a great deal of cross hatching or stippling.

I think Abnett's Tharg's best regular scribe and I enjoy Brink just as much as Defoe; doesn't change the fact that Bridge and Gita finish the series by pulling off Votek's scary mask to reveal he was the crabby old caretaker all along.



* Very little of the copious spewings above (or anything I post here) concerns my likes or dislikes, because I don't think that's interesting or important. My entire time on this thread can be summed up as I NOTICED THIS AND (wrongly) THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING.