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Title: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: broodblik on 27 July, 2022, 03:45:22 AM
The original Rogue Trooper certainly forum-wised got some real mix feelings but does not matter where you sit on the fence it is one of the classic 2000AD characters. In many cases we do have a series or story that just drags on for too long and can become stale. After Traitor General should Rogue continued or not?
-   Yes, I loved every bit of it (even the Hit series).
-   Yes, but GFD should have continued on scripting duties (we would have been saved from the Hit series)
-   The Traitor General series was a good point to stop the series
-   Maybe after the Horst series they could have stopped Rogue
-   Never liked the series to begin with

Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 27 July, 2022, 08:34:36 AM
Should've stopped once he got the Traitor General.

SBT
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: AlexF on 27 July, 2022, 08:40:20 AM
The character and setting were too good to just stop after finding the TG - sadly none of the ideas they tried after that worked...
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: Timothy on 27 July, 2022, 09:11:21 AM
I liked the original series, and (don't judge me) I liked The Hit. What I didn't like was Horst. Don't know why, but it just didn't click for me.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: sheridan on 27 July, 2022, 09:14:13 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 27 July, 2022, 08:40:20 AM
The character and setting were too good to just stop after finding the TG - sadly none of the ideas they tried after that worked...

I iddn't hate Horst on my recent read-through, but Nu-Earth was one of the great characters in Rogue in the same way MC1 is a great part of the appeal of Judge Dredd.  So taking your lead character away is a jolt...
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: Proudhuff on 27 July, 2022, 10:36:53 AM
 The Traitor General series was a good point to stop the series, then let the GRennie droid loose in the NuEarth sandbox.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: Dash Decent on 27 July, 2022, 02:30:29 PM
Horst didn't click for me.  Part of it was definitely the art.  The art had a definite clean and well defined line, especially with Cam on art duties (and Brett Ewins and Dave Gibbons were also excellent), and suddenly it looked messy and dirty.

More of orginal Nu Earth Rogue.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 July, 2022, 05:03:02 PM
About the first 4 or 5 episodes had something to say, after that... well it had good art. War Machine and Cinabar were good and the very odd other bit aside, so overall I have to say:

Never liked the series to begin with
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: Magnetica on 27 July, 2022, 06:22:31 PM
The first few episodes were definitely the best.

And even with the Traitor General arc, it felt more episodic to me, so it wasn't necessarily that that finished that was the problem, just that it wasn't as good later on.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: broodblik on 31 July, 2022, 09:28:49 AM
Must the traitor be the final enemy of Rogue you have until Wednesday ?
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: BPP on 31 July, 2022, 03:14:10 PM
Later Rogue also suffered some pretty poor art, that's undoubtedly a factor.

As a character to develop a war-is-hell story around I still think Rogue is great and would love another go at. Long-syory arc from someone like Rob Williams. Rogue as ruthless part of a Space Marines collective would work too - bolster the strip with great ancillary characters.

Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 05 August, 2022, 11:16:31 AM
I'd have been happy with only keeping Cinnabar (which is technically not a strip called Rogue Trooper, but the best Rogue story ever), The War Machine and Grennie's spin-offs. 
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: broodblik on 11 August, 2022, 07:20:03 AM
Voting Closed

Most felt it could have stopped after the Traitor General
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: maryanddavid on 11 August, 2022, 11:09:19 PM
 To late, but he never should have caught the traitor! RTs world is fascinating, and in the right hands it has legs, see Cinnabar, Fireflies and the brilliant Atilla.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: Richard on 12 August, 2022, 12:15:18 AM
Except that Cinnabar had nothing to do with the traitor general and yet it's the best Rogue story.

The problem wasn't that Rogue was nothing without the traitor general, it's just that the stories that came afterwards were silly. They didn't have to be.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: AlexF on 12 August, 2022, 10:20:02 AM
I dunno - I think Rogue worked when he was, in theory, wandering an entire planet lokoing for clues to find someone he wanted serious revenge against, getting caught up in war stuff as and when it interfered.

It makes sense that he's programmed to follow a mission, so when that mission ended he couldn't just wander aimlessly. And no writer ever found a convincing mission for him, until they went the flashback route.
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: norton canes on 12 August, 2022, 11:15:15 AM
Would have loved it to carry on just with Rogue endlessly wandering Nu Earth in a perpetual quest to find the Traitor General until eventually he forgets all about him and carries on mindlessly killing Norts each week because, well, that's what he's been genetically programmed to do, then in prog 2000 or whatever someone says to him "Have you caught the Traitor General yet?" and he just stares at them blankly (or more blankly than normal, even) and replies "The what?"
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: norton canes on 12 August, 2022, 11:26:57 AM
Each new episode for thirty years is literally just him stumbling across another las-nest full of Norts and slaughtering them in exactly the same way
Title: Re: Sideshow Vote II: Main mission done next mission Pina Coladas on the beach
Post by: norton canes on 12 August, 2022, 11:28:28 AM
Meanwhile his bio-chips' data cores are gradually degrading and they're becoming completely insane. By now all they can do is scream

Relentlessly

Obviously that would compromise Rogue's stealth abilities, so he puts their audio on a closed radio loop so only they can hear each other