"Doom, the original and the best"

Art · 10 January, 2003, 04:19:59 PM

Lies! All lies!

Wolfesntein 3D was the original and the best, Doom was some over complicated johnny-come-lately with all kinds of useless bells and whistles like the concept of "up" and "down" and angles other than 90%. Pah! To that I say. Pah!

Even better, Wolfenstein had a very quick and easy to use level editor, which doesn't require a degree in geekdom to use, so if for any strange reason you want to put together a huge level in the shape of a swastika, or Luton Arndale center, or a long tunnel level with limited ammunition and lots of dogs (so you have to stab all the dogs with the knife! Ha ha!) then you can. You know, if for any reason you want to do that.

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Smiley · 10 January, 2003, 04:31:00 PM

You couldn't look up or down in Doom.

Art · 10 January, 2003, 04:32:06 PM

Yeah, but objects could be "up" or "down" in relation to you.

Art · 10 January, 2003, 04:33:16 PM

You just don't get character design like this anymore...

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stodge · 10 January, 2003, 04:34:08 PM

gotta agree really. wolfenstein was absolutely brilliant and also responsible for me missing most of my mid teens.......

Art · 10 January, 2003, 04:35:51 PM

Gah, evil code nazi are preventing me from getting those images to you.

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Oddboy · 10 January, 2003, 04:36:20 PM

Wolf 3D was definitely brilliant, my only regret is that I only had the demo rather than the full game so I could only play 2 levels & couldn't make any dog-tunnels (although that sounds like a wonderful idea for a game!)

Oddboy · 10 January, 2003, 04:40:24 PM

Heh!

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GordonR · 10 January, 2003, 04:41:03 PM

Love the Wolfenstein 3-D picture, arthur. But I didn't realise that all the Nazis in the game were actually Mini-Me type midgets...

And, heading off another potential "ha ha ha, Rennie you fool, you don't know anything about birdie lie detectors!" type situation, yes, I know that Wolfie came before Doom. But Doom's better, and it reads better in the line, and oit nly has four letters while 'Castle Wolfenstein' takes up far too much room in a speech balloon.

Oh, and has anyone seen the Resident Evil movie? Saw the DVD this week - definitely goes in my 'guilty pleasures' list, since I thought it was great fun.

paulvonscott · 10 January, 2003, 04:49:51 PM

I prefer Doom, just coz I played it first, and how I played it... I wasted a LOT of time on it(except it doesn't feel wasted). Last time I played I did all of the scenarios with just one life (per scenario, not sure if I managed the end scenarion on one of the Doom 95 editions). being old I sort of got lost off with Quake II and all of that looking up and down nonsense. All I needed was the wind in my hair (shift button down) a rocket launcher in my hand and I was in heaven.

I too watched the Resident Evil movie last week, it was okay, I did quite enjoy it (helped by lovely lovely scantily clad Mila), but there wasn't much to it. Most of the people who really enjoyed it seemed to have played the game. Though I've heard that shouldn't effect the experience, I think it might. Worth a watch though, but no 28 days later...

Art · 10 January, 2003, 04:53:01 PM

Heh. I bet you don't even know the name of the engine in Dredds bike. And they hold that gun wrong in Res Evil...

Actually, I found Res Evil extremely fun to watch as it was filmed, in its entirety, in the style of a computer game cut scene. Now, there's a bunch of people who will argue that computer game games are approaching cinema in terms of narrative storytelling, and res Evil is proof that whilst this may be sort-of true, it?s a very weird and disjointed kind of cinema.

GordonR · 10 January, 2003, 05:22:54 PM

>>Heh. I bet you don't even know the name of the engine in Dredds bike.

I'll bet you John Wagner doesn't either. And I bet he cares even less than I do.

>>Actually, I found Res Evil extremely fun to watch as it was filmed, in its entirety, in the style of a computer game cut scene. Now, there's a bunch of people who will argue that computer game games are approaching cinema in terms of narrative storytelling

Well, I'm currently labouring through the 5th draft of the cut-scene script of the game I'm working on, so, yes, it definitely feels pretty 'cinematic', at least in terms of producer involvement.

"We love it, but we've changed our minds about the basic plot we gave you, so could you..."

"We love it, but we've just signed up Movie Actor A to play Character X, so could you rewrite it and make his role twice as important?"

"We love it, but we've just cut two of the levels and changed some of the others, so could you..."

AAAAAGH!

>>and res Evil is proof that whilst this may be sort-of true, it?s a very weird and disjointed kind of cinema.

That's true. There were several scenes jumps where I got a bit lost and felt something had been left on the editing room floor.

However, some random thoughts occur to me about it-

I don't care how impractical it is for a commando mission, but having Mila Jolivitch running about in that skimpy little red dress number sure worked for me.

'Umbrella' is a very silly name for a Big Evil World-Controlling Multi-National Corporation. 'EvilCorp' - that's what I'd have called it, yeah.

Something about the career of director Paul Anderson, which I can't be bothered articulating.

Mudcrab · 10 January, 2003, 06:12:54 PM

I always preferred Doom on the Playstation. It took me years to get into the keyboard style of FPS on a PC. Best thing about Doom was the sound. Very very scary once you've played for a few hours. And then that baby screaming!! *shudder*

Don't think it's been topped for atmos except for Silent Hill.

Oddboy · 10 January, 2003, 06:15:57 PM

Quake III (PS2) seems utter pap. Am I wrong?

potterbeee1 · 10 January, 2003, 06:21:08 PM

i think it's crap. makes me feel sick if i play these types of games too long because my motion senses aren't in sync with my visual....annoying!!