Will Olivia Thirlby play anderson as a brunette or blonde?
Quote from: Psidude on 05 June, 2011, 09:35:00 PM
Will Olivia Thirlby play anderson as a brunette or blonde?
Blonde.
collar or cuffs? ;)
Considering she had a blonde dye job at the time of shooting...
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/01/06/t-magazine/06-ballentine-thirlby/06-ballentine-thirlby-tmagSF.jpg)
The eyebrows seem rather black.
V
Good to see.Had constantine on the other day and got a realy bad feeling! :D
As some here have read the script and most know the synopsis, what particular panels throughout Dredd/Anderson history, would you hope are translated onto the screen? Conversely, which panels just wouldn't work?
For example; the classic Cassie stance, with her fingers out-streched and the tips touching her temples... I'm not sure that would work but it'd give me a buzz seeing it.
This one of course:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ce1O3.jpg)
The only one not sweating is Dredd. But, boy is he getting a visor-full!
Be nice.. She's actually a really sweet girl.. Actually remembered minions like myself at the xmas party..
Sorry, Michael, no harm meant. Just that I've been seeing Anderson as a comic creation for so long its easy to forget a real human being is now portraying her/it. Apologies to Mz Thirlby.
That was meant light hearted too.. Forgot the smilies..
Iam realy happy with the casting of Dredd and Anderson,both fine actors!wish there was more information on the film hate waiting! :'(
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 06 June, 2011, 12:36:14 PM
This one of course:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ce1O3.jpg)
Quote from: Krombasher on 06 June, 2011, 12:54:54 PM
The only one not sweating is Dredd. But, boy is he getting a visor-full!
Dredds just a lazy bastard thats why he isn't sweating.
V
I just assume Dredd's getting his button-pushing finger ready to annihilate 400 million innocent people...
Not to mention he gets a bike for his Long Walk... The clue's in the title Joe.
Quote from: vzzbux on 05 June, 2011, 10:15:01 PM
The eyebrows seem rather black.
V
I can't be the only one that finds dark eyebrows and blonde hair incredibly hot for no apparent reason. Like um, Jane from Neighbours? :lol:
And Alistair Darling?
Quote from: Lobster Doug on 07 June, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 05 June, 2011, 10:15:01 PM
The eyebrows seem rather black.
V
I can't be the only one that finds dark eyebrows and blonde hair incredibly hot for no apparent reason. Like um, Jane from Neighbours? :lol:
You shoulda seen them on set ;)
Olivia is hot but Alistar Darling is the eyebrow king! ;)
Quote from: Lobster Doug on 07 June, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: vzzbux on 05 June, 2011, 10:15:01 PM
The eyebrows seem rather black.
V
I can't be the only one that finds dark eyebrows and blonde hair incredibly hot for no apparent reason. Like um, Jane from Neighbours? :lol:
Nah I'm with you too...always had a soft spot for dark roots on bleached blonds...blame my milfy french teacher back in 2nd year.
Glad to hear it. Not sure the same applies to Mr Darling though. Maybe if he was blonde :lol:
We still need a pic of Anderson from the movie, and more pics in general. And a trailer, yes'm!
On IMDb I see this flick is set to be released in December 2011, slightly earlier than I expected. Of course it might hit a few months later in the US, March or April maybe. Can't wait!
Down here in SA it'll probably be on DVD release everywhere else before it hits the theatres.. THat happened to Doomsday.
Andrew MacDonald, one of Dredd's producers, is on record as stating that Dredd will be released in 2012- and I presume that means ALL territories! If I had to guess, I would say that Dredd will probably be released in March, which is a traditionally good time for genre niche projects- past examples being The Matrix, 300, Watchmen, and V for Vendetta- with the DVD/Blu Ray out by early autumn/fall. By releasing it in March, it also gives the movie a chance to find an audience before the summer glut begins. And we'll probably know by year's end 2012 if the movie has done well enough to warrant a sequel, which, I think I'm safe in saying, will almost certainly feature a certain ghoul who we're all dead ( :D) excited to see onscreen...
And maybe some of his freaky friends too. :thumbsup:
As long as i get Block War/Apocalypse War on a 200 mil+ budget for part 3.
Stories I'd love to see adapted: The Pit, The Graveyard Shift, The Hotdog Run, Block Mania/Apocalypse War, Shanty Town, America.
It's pretty likely that IF the upcoming movie is a success (both critically and commercially, hopefully, although I couldn't care less about the former), the two subsequent installments will have elements of various stories from the source material, one of the producers of Dredd, Allon Reich, told Variety magazine that they intend the new Dredd movie project to be a "three-picture franchise" (or words to that effect), and said further that screenwriter Alex Garland already has ideas for the next movies!
Depending on how well the upcoming movie does, I would love to see a full-on Block War, Judge Death, and something pretty apocalyptic in nature (a big KA-BOOM would be nice in 3-D, dont'cha think?), oh yeah, and let's not forget good ol' Mean Machine if they can squeeze him in... oh baby, I get chills just thinking about an epic Dredd story told over two parts (shot back-to-back probably) with a mega-budget behind it...
I'd be very surprised if they try to adapt the Apocalypse War - it's so 80s and wouldn't really suit the particular take on Dredd this first move will present. They're going to have to work hard to establish Dredds character and the role of the judges first time out - would be a very strange move to recast him as a soldier in the sequel. I suspect we'll be getting the Judge Death story as a sequel, but I reckon the movie version of the dark judges will be quite different from the comics. It's possible that they could pay homage to the Apoc War within that story though.
I think the question of filming the Apocalypse War cuts to the heart of the difficulties of filming Dredd as a whole. So much of the bigger fare in the Dredd strip (certainly the first few decades) has been in the mode of "Damnation Alley... with Judge Dredd", "I, Claudius... with Judge Dredd", "Cold War goes Hot... with Judge Dredd" that it's hard to see how to offer something new with this material. We know it's all amazing stuff because of how the filter of Dredd's established world and character twists this stuff into something new and exciting, but without the stability of the MC-1 background to throw 'Genre Plot No. 13' against, it all comes across as something entirely other than, well, Judge Dredd.
To me anyway, 'Block Mania' seems a more suitable approach. 'Course, it becomes a far different story if it doesn't segue into the war but I always felt the initial nine episodes had far more tension and intrigue than the twenty-five that followed...
As for the Dark Judges, it's been well discussed before here but I think it's going to be a very tough sell to portray in a movie as written in the comic. I suspect there'll be serious changes to the concept to make it work in the movie's format.
FLEE! The Day of Atonement is postponed, indefinitely.
Blockmania is a good starting point for a sequel,would like to see Chopper and pj maybe involved.Think the films will have to be grounded like batman begins,dont see how a film with the dark judges would work! judge fire?? :lol:
Dark Judges would be far too camp for a sequel to something that's essentially Escape From New York/The Warriors/whatever, though the Apocalypse War could work easily by updating the factions involved. Post-apocalypse Earth is gonna be pretty tight on resources, so it's not like there isn't an in-built rationale for a war.
Personally, I think a sequel would be best served avoiding the inevitable sequel trend of "bigger and louder" by going with some of the Wagner multi-parters that have cropped up over the years that concentrate on Dredd's role as a cop rather than a superhero, like that one where he's chasing down perps that turn out to be expectant parents fleeing an enforced abortion on a fetus with a genetic abnormality, or even Inferno, which was put together like a big dumb action movie anyway.
I think Mean machine might be doable.. Judge Death might not work, considering the realism aspect of the universe they want to portray.. It's hard to say, really.. I do know what these guys were wanting from dealing with them first hand, and the realism aspect was pretty high on the list..
The Dirty Harry sequel Magnum Force had the Law fighting the Law as Harry Callahan had to take down the Cop Death Squad who were exterminating the cities Big time crooks.
Maybe they'll have DREDD in the sequel gunning for corrupt Judges or like in Infernal Affairs trying to oust the Judges who have been covertly helping 'terrorists'/Crims/DEM's wreck Justice Department's iron grip on the frightened populace.
All above suggestions are absolutely valid and I wholeheartedly agree. I've actually wondered a great deal about how Judge Death could be portrayed in a realistic manner onscreen, and I came up with the idea that he could be a hideous mutant from the Cursed Earth, leading an army to Mega-City One in order to cleanse their evil ways (as he sees them) with some kind of apocalyptic weapon, with Death characterised as a kind of cult/pseudo-religous figure- it would serve as a nice satire on today's jihadist conflict with Muslim radicals. With today's visual effects technology, a completely photo-realistic CGI Death would be the most viable option, but I'll defer to Michaelvk on this matter, he was on-set everyday, which reminds me, hey Michael dude, I heard the visual effects people showed cast and crew some early Mega-City One work during production, confirm or deny, and did you see it perchance...!?
I did see some concepts.. Can't recall seeing or hearing of any VFX screenings.. There was a screening of a 'trailer' that they edited together, but that was post incident, and I didn't see that either..
Were they concepts of Mega-City One, and if so, did they look sufficiently, er, 'Dredd-esque'? The concepts must've been what I heard about, by the way, do you know how long exactly (in days) the production was, and did you work weekends during filming, sorry to sound snoopy, just want to know every last detail on the production- :geek:...
Oh, I forgot to mention, NEW LOOK FOR THE FORUM, where's the 2000 A.D. character wallpaper, the whole thing looks a little drab now, Drokk it!? :thumbsdown:
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 15 June, 2011, 05:10:21 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention, NEW LOOK FOR THE FORUM, where's the 2000 A.D. character wallpaper, the whole thing looks a little drab now, Drokk it!? :thumbsdown:
Post about it over here: http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,33517.0.html
Paul cast discuss the film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB9b7zYxNEY
Quote from: Cyclopz on 16 June, 2011, 03:05:27 PM
Paul cast discuss the film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB9b7zYxNEY
Fergie....pppfff....ship him off to Brit-Cit
CLASSIC :lol:
Just read recently about John Wagner and Alan Grant writing a treatment for the Judge Dredd movie back in the day, but the powers-that-were never followed through on it (and look at how THAT movie ended up) for whatever reason. Does any forum dwellers know what the storyline was on the Wagner/Grant treatment, I would love to know...
John Wagner didn't remember doing it the last time he was asked about it.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 June, 2011, 07:44:00 PM
I think Mean machine might be doable..
...but probably best avoided, because filmgoers who aren't also comic book readers might feel ripped off seeing exactly the same villains as they got from the Stallone movie.
I would love to see the Dark Judges as the main villains in a Judge Dredd movie down the line. Camp, magical, far-fetched or what, I can imagine a mainstream audience getting a kick out of that. It would have a crossover horror audience. There would be great opportunities for gruesome special effects too - Fire! Nightmare-inducing gaze! CGI rapid decomposition! Whoah, that dude just rammed his hand right into/through that guy's chest! It would be talked about, but in a good way if done right.
Quote from: House of Usher on 17 June, 2011, 09:26:27 AM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 13 June, 2011, 07:44:00 PM
I think Mean machine might be doable..
...but probably best avoided, because filmgoers who aren't also comic book readers might feel ripped off seeing exactly the same villains as they got from the Stallone movie.
...but if this new film is successful, I don't think that should be much of a problem. It all depends on how they approach it, imo.
It's all very premature - but I'm trying to think how they'd fit in with the world that it looks like they're going for.
I think we'd end up with something more like a deranged MC-1 Judge, who's also a serial killer, maybe an empath who thinks the only solution is to euthanise the population - A Dexter/Jigsaw combo, maybe with a bit of Oona Blint.
A possible way is that the typical Dark Judge appearance is played as a hallucination brought on by powerful psis, in the same way the beginning of Necropolis is. I think that approach wouldn't be a bad compromise.
Seriously read that as 'a hallucination brought on by powerful piss' :-/.
There more talk there is about not doing Death like he is in the comics (or at least, how he was at the start, before he became a dentist's son and sang on stage with bloody batman, etc etc) the more i think they really shouldnt bother. If you cant do something properly, dont do it at all. I appreciate what you're saying Steve, but no one who responded to the character in the first place thought 'it'd be better if he was just a psychic serial killer'. Similarly, i dont think anybody (or at least anybody sensible, so we'll discount danny cannon) ever read the first ten years of dredd and thought 'this'd be better if there werent crazy aliens, talking monkeys, fatties and comedy robot sidekicks. It'd be great if it was grim and gritty.' If they're intent on turning Dredd into Nolan's Batman, that's great, it's an interpretation i suppose. But i'd have more faith in the source material, personally.
SBT
I'm not entirely convinced a comic-faithful Death would really work on screen to be honest even if the rest of the film was more geared to that look - it may be heresy to some, but there are elements of the design I don't particularly like in Bolland's version - the fingers and bones on the pads feel a bit too "Monster Fun" to me. If he was pushed towards more something where the costume properly looked like it had been cobbled out of body parts, it might work better on screen IMHO.
But I think the gap between the gritty realism of the new Dredd (which I think could be a mistake) and a comic version Death is too large to work in the same movie. Personally, I would avoid trying it, but if they were going to do it, that's the route I'd expect them to go.
Yep, definately, tweak the cozzie. But keep the cross-dimensional alien superfiend thing. Ideally, my perfect 'Dredd vs Death' movie would begin with Death warping in and killing, in rapid succession, a fatty on a bellywheel, a man coming out of a face change parlour who looks like tony blair or david cameron, and a talking monkey in a hat.
SBT
I would finish the first film with Death after the end credits (let's have some belief that a sequel will follow). Have a crime happen in a dark alley, we see it from behind the helmet as he advances. Next thing the perp is dead, close up on the injured victim as she looks up and screams and he says his trademark phrase. THE END!
Just in case, THE END is not his phrase ::)
I don't necessaries see 'gritty' and 'supernatural' as being a contradiction. The comic Dredd can be pretty gritty at times. (If that means what I think it does.) And we DO have a psychic as one of the main characters in the film, after all. If Psychics exist I don't see the extra stretch to ghosts, demons and then on to transdimensional entities to be that great.
I think Death would need to be introduced the right way though. Tone down the cheese, dial up a real sense of menace. Maybe even make him an alternate version of Dredd, i.e. the Dredd of that world, just to show how what could happen if the main one were to go the wrong extreme...
Mardroid: that's what they did in the jd:lotf 'death' story, and that worked really well, in my opinion. The fact that the original 'death' stories (death/death lives) DIDNT end with the revelation that he was deadworld's version of dredd is either testament to wagner and grant's innate original storytelling genius, or a bizarre oversight. I wonder if they ever discussed it?
SBT
Hmm. I haven't read that. I read a bit of the young Death story in an old Meg story though. The one where he had the improbably name of 'De'ath'. I bought it on ebay back before I got the Prog regularly, more as a taster before deciding to go the full course, so to speak.
The subtext of who Death was meant to represent is more on-the-nose as it would be for a 'kids comic' which is a bit strange since I was a kid when I read the original Death stories?
Elegantly lovely Alex Ronald art:
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A 'real-world' Death would probably end up looking unfortunately like this:
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/GOTHAMDEATH.jpg)
"A 'real-world' Death would probably end up looking unfortunately like this:"
LOL, I'll have to break out my cross-over editions.
As for the prior post - I take it that is from Lawman of the Future - Dredd becomes Death? From a spike-the-canon point of view it is actually an interesting premise. And remember the Not Judge Dredd movie - Rico showing suspiciously similar traits to Death, his quotes of the living inevitably break the law (I'm paraphrasing, I haven't watched in a very long time) and his plummeting death a la Necropolis.
Now starring Armand Assante as Judge Death!
Well he certainly had the ham to pull it off.
Thanks Joe Soap for the response, a pity John Wagner doesn't remember it, it would've been interesting to read what Alan Grant and himself came up with, but that's the past, onto the new movie, speaking of which...
It appears to me (by what I've seen and read thus far) that the producers of the new Dredd film are going for a sense of gritty, heightened-realism, very much like the early JD comic stories in the late '70's, which I have no problem with, actually. Although I would walk nekkid over broken glass to see Judge Death on the big-screen, the more I think about it, the more I think the producers behind the new Dredd will stick to the early JD style, with the stories reflecting that, which means we're very likely to see a full-on Block War in one of the sequels, maybe the Angel family, but Judge Death may be a step too far into the realm of the more OTT and esoteric stories of the '80's onwards, but I could be completely wrong on all points, although I very much look forward to any and all news concerning the new movie, and all things considered, I have real confidence in DNA Films' take on Dredd, they've done everything pretty much right, so far...
Angry Vince, dude, Armand Assante would've made a great Rico if the script had been right- which reminds me, if anyone out there has, or knows where to get, a copy of William Wisher's ORIGINAL script for Judge Dredd (before it was mangled by Steven E. DeSouza), I would be most grateful- Assante gave a ferocious performance in the Michael Caine Jack The Ripper television mini-series, but I always thought Michael Wincott would have been the definitive actor for the role of Rico, just a thought...
With Watchmen and X-Men FC, having a retro comic vibe, the fact they may give that *tinge* to Dredd is giving me a tingle. Both the former film probably move live accounts of history and thinking on it, so did Mad Max, with the voice over. Now That may be the biggest mistake Dredd could make, voice over, spoken about as if a far future being is introducing mega-cities and the *judges* as historical event. THERE CAME THE JUDGES!!
Hmm where've I heard that before?
I should probably finish this off then- very early piece of modelling, on the top of the back burner list. Teeth are still a little screwy, and not enough decay in the textures yet.
(http://www.themodelmaker.co.uk/Web%20SIte/Images/TTable.235.jpg)
(http://www.themodelmaker.co.uk/Web%20SIte/Images/Testing.014.jpg)
Theres a basic animated version on my website, but its nothing amazing.
Still -I'll prove all you Death ney-sayersssss wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Even if it's the Death of me )
QuoteA possible way is that the typical Dark Judge appearance is played as a hallucination brought on by powerful psis, in the same way the beginning of Necropolis is. I think that approach wouldn't be a bad compromise.
Yeah I like that idea. Perhaps Death's supernatural appearance is a mental projection created by his own psychic power - on screen it could work like the effect of Scarecrow's poison gas in
Batman Begins.
They could also play Death like the Joker in
The Dark Knight - keep his origins ambiguous and offer several plausible explanations as to how he came to be.
I just think the story as is in the comics would ask audiences to swallow too much for this gritty take on Dredd - interdimensional travel AND the undead - it's similar to how Death wouldn't have worked had the Stallone Dredd got a sequel - it just wouldn't fit with the world they established in that film.
I assume if they had the Dark Judges in a sequel that Judge Death would either be a mutant from the cursed Earth or that all time cliche -the experiment to create the perfect Judge gone wrong!
Justice Dept scientists accidently created Judge Death while trying to make the perfect Street Judge both psychic like Anderson and ruthless like Dredd. Er, not the greatest twist ever I admit but I agree with Radiater the inter dimensional thing is not what a Dirty Harry type Dredd Movie requires.
Rather have Fink than Death,more believable.Few Skysurfers won't go amiss either.
If Death does make an appearance in a future Dredd movie and he isn't an alien superfiend then it's not Judge Death.
Death isn't a mutant or an experiement gone wrong... he's an alien.
If they're gonna have a mutant or an experiement gone wrong well that's just fine, but don't call it Judge Death.
This conversations got me thinking and those thoughts lead to Death being a sort of Judda Death in any upcoming movie,not a pleasant thought, but one that suits Hollywoods needs to bastardise any idea.
Yeah, Hollywood does tend to b******ise good ideas, but the great thing about the new Dredd movie is it has NOTHING to do with big U.S. corporate studios- it's being made by an independent British production company using Indian money! That was the whole root cause of the 1995 movie's downfall, the U.S. moneymen simply weren't prepared to sink $80million into a summer movie about a ruthless fascist (their loss), that and the guy who owned the movie rights to Dredd- Charles Lippincott- was absolutely determined from the outset to make a PG-13 family entertainment movie, and fatally altered Dredd's character to fit that agenda, look at how that one worked out! The new Dredd movie is going to be a dark, serious, and extraordinarily violent R-rated (a definite '18' in the UK) bloodbath which will be a proper representation of the source material- and John Wagner says so, by drokk- rule Britannia indeed...
Quote from: Buddy on 19 June, 2011, 01:52:09 AM
If Death does make an appearance in a future Dredd movie and he isn't an alien superfiend then it's not Judge Death.
Death isn't a mutant or an experiement gone wrong... he's an alien.
If they're gonna have a mutant or an experiement gone wrong well that's just fine, but don't call it Judge Death.
Death in the
comic is an alien superfiend- doesn't mean that the
movie one (if there is one) will be. You need to let go of this 'if it's not the same as the comic it's not real' thing, because it will not be the same as the comic.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 19 June, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: Buddy on 19 June, 2011, 01:52:09 AM
If Death does make an appearance in a future Dredd movie and he isn't an alien superfiend then it's not Judge Death.
Death isn't a mutant or an experiement gone wrong... he's an alien.
If they're gonna have a mutant or an experiement gone wrong well that's just fine, but don't call it Judge Death.
Death in the comic is an alien superfiend- doesn't mean that the movie one (if there is one) will be. You need to let go of this 'if it's not the same as the comic it's not real' thing, because it will not be the same as the comic.
You are of course right there Rich.... I need to remind myself of what I've said here in the past... It's not a Judge Dredd film... it's a film based on Judge Dredd and things will change.
Does coming from an alternate universe make Death and alien? after all when it comes down to it he is base human so Alien Superfiend is rather redundant, unless you look at it like it is a Mexican crossing into the US border illegally.
V
Juez Muerte, he come to take your job señor.
Quote from: DanboJohnJ on 18 June, 2011, 11:50:31 PM
Rather have Fink than Death,more believable.Few Skysurfers won't go amiss either.
I wouldn't mind if we get Fink instead of Death.
QuoteNo mention of satire, humour, an extreme, eccentric way of life? All I hear is 'violent'. I thought one of the keys elements of Dredd's world was the wacky way of life. There are a million and one very violent action films out there. There's nothing imaginative about an extremely violent action film featuring a character called Judge Dredd. Perhaps there's a bit more to Dredd and his world than an "extraordinarily violent R-rated bloodbath." If you read many of the Grant Morrison and Mark Millar Dredd strips of the 1990s they rend to be "extraordinarily violent R-rated bloodbaths" with very little substance. Clearly there is more to Dredd than that. John Wagner's Dredd was a satire on American 20th century life with a touch of Dirty Harry thrown in.
If 'Dredd' has no substance and just mindless violence it may not be so good.
To a certain extent I share your concerns, the last thing I want is for
Dredd to be generic and forgettable. But from the little I've read of the script I think it's safe to say that there certainly
is a fair amount of Wagner-esque black humour in there, and Dredd's deadpan delivery and general demeanour is spot on - though it remains to be seen how Mega-City will be portrayed on screen.
The script seems to indicate that the eccentricity and absurdity has been dialed back in favour of a grittier, overtly dystopian atmosphere, but it's clear that the filmmakers have since taken on board feedback from John Wagner - for example it's been implied that they brought their version of Dredd's uniform back closer to the comic version at his suggestion - so there's hope that he has been able to inject a bit of typical Mega-City colour into the production. While it was probably too late to alter the script in a massive way, it's been implied that a lot of this stuff will be dealt with in the backgrounds and little incidental scenes. Lots of crazy goings on and little nods for the fans amongst the action. Indeed John Wagner was canvassing for ideas for this sort of thing on his facebook page last year.
Also, recent comments from the cinematographer on
Dredd suggests that there may well be an interesting, serious subtext to the film, and reassure me that there will be some substance, and it will at least be visually striking and inventive if nothing else.
Quote from: mindyourownbusiness on 20 June, 2011, 04:13:29 PM
Based on the leaked screenplay, the absurdity seems non-existent.
Surely you can have the two, absurdity and dystopian atmosphere? Isn't that the secret of Judge Dredd, why the strip has lasted so long. It's dark and disturbing but also funny and bizarre. They're not mutually exclusive, it's what makes Judge Dredd
While there is absurdity in Dredd's world, not every story is absurd. For every story concerning Hitler dummies, sex olympics etc, there are police type procedurals. Sometimes they're blended, sometimes they're not. That doesn't stop them being good Judge Dredd stories. I think the important thing for the introductory film is to set up the character and what the judges do. Sure we want to see a bit of the city and the craziness but it only need be a little for now. If this is successful, maybe we'll see more in sequels.
While I'll admit I haven't read much of the script, I do understand it features a 'slo-mo' drug and a psychic law enforcement officer. Not quite your run-of-the-mill action story then.
Besides, 'if' is a much bigger word than it appears. Whatever is in the leaked script, we've yet to see the final result.
Quote from: mindyourownbusiness on 20 June, 2011, 08:46:25 PM
Does anyone know if this film actually exists? I heard a rumour that photo of Karl Urban as Dredd was taken from a 2000AD fancy dress party. Sounds plausible to me.
Don't be stupid.
If you have nothing constructive to say on the thread, it would be better if you said nothing at all.
Bye, Scott.
Oh. So I was talking to him.
Oh well.
Quote from: Mardroid on 20 June, 2011, 09:30:07 PM
Oh. So I was talking to him.
Oh well.
I think it was him.
Bloody Nora.. He's a persistent bugger, isn't he?
Quote from: radiator on 20 June, 2011, 03:45:18 PM
QuoteNo mention of satire, humour, an extreme, eccentric way of life? All I hear is 'violent'. I thought one of the keys elements of Dredd's world was the wacky way of life. There are a million and one very violent action films out there. There's nothing imaginative about an extremely violent action film featuring a character called Judge Dredd. Perhaps there's a bit more to Dredd and his world than an "extraordinarily violent R-rated bloodbath." If you read many of the Grant Morrison and Mark Millar Dredd strips of the 1990s they rend to be "extraordinarily violent R-rated bloodbaths" with very little substance. Clearly there is more to Dredd than that. John Wagner's Dredd was a satire on American 20th century life with a touch of Dirty Harry thrown in.
If 'Dredd' has no substance and just mindless violence it may not be so good.
Who is this quote from?
QuoteWho is this quote from?
The user has been banned. Possible Sc*j* incursion.
Return to your lives, citizens, nothing to see here...
Not sure if I'm in the Twilight Zone or a war movie here: I've read all the war stories and chalked them up to rumours and heresay and then BAM! a mortar right in the foxhole.
Back on topic: If Wagner is happy with the movie, I'll put my faith in it.
I haven't read the script, which has meant wandering around the internet with my eyes closed, hands over my ears and going "LA LA LA LA LA LA" a bit.
Because, and you can call me old fashioned, I'd like to be a little surprised by the new movie.
In a good way. If Rob Schnieder turned up on screen, I'd be surprised.
And then I'd be thrown out of the theatre for throwing monkey turds at the screen.
Quote from: Angry Vince on 20 June, 2011, 11:35:59 PM
And then I'd be thrown out of the theatre for throwing monkey turds at the screen.
Sooo.....you stock-pile Monkey Faeces? Welcome to the board
Quote from: Misanthrope on 20 June, 2011, 10:36:54 PM
QuoteWho is this quote from?
The user has been banned. Possible Sc*j* incursion.
Hmmm, so your saying mindyourownbusiness was this scojo character.The first two quotes seemed fine , with some very good points - excellent response from Radiator (I too think it is extremely difficult to translate both the hardness and often wackiness of Dredd's world to the big screen, such is the quality of the writing), but the third quote was just silly sarcasm.
Recently read some of scojos old posts ,kind of stumbled across them.The over-ridng impression I got was that he was crazy, on medication, not of this world or maybe all of the above -more to be pitied than anything else.
I trust he was identified by his IP address?.As a relative newbie on here I am a little concerned how quickly people are banned, a little reasoned explanation wouldn't go amiss -powers that be- or else it appears paranoid or arbitary :|
Quote from: radiator on 20 June, 2011, 03:45:18 PMWhile it was probably too late to alter the script in a massive way, it's been implied that a lot of this stuff will be dealt with in the backgrounds and little incidental scenes. Lots of crazy goings on and little nods for the fans amongst the action. Indeed John Wagner was canvassing for ideas for this sort of thing on his facebook page last year.
I think we should be wary of extrapolating anything of real significance from the suggestions that were were made at John's request, they were merely to do with graffiti that would be visible on background structures, nothing to do with story content/scenes and purely visual texture. There's been no indication of what changes may have been made to the screenplay since it found it's way on to the web. As for the grittiness/satire balance in the film, I think this is something that's has drawn undue focus, it can still be
Dredd and sardonic via character and tone without the need to slip into overt satire. A little bit of subtlety goes a long way.
After his visit to the set in Johannesburg earlier this year, John Wagner said the script had been given a lot of thought and effort, and he also clearly said that Alex Garland did rewrites during production, so there well could be some black humour in the movie, although the satire will mainly be a visual one, probably graffiti and shop-fronts. I've read the script online (two or three times now- :-[), and I think it's ace, a great start to build upon with subsequent installments, but I agree with Angry Vince, if John Wagner is happy with the overall direction so far, then I'm happy, although I think I read somewhere that DNA Films were not going to have shoulder pads on Dredd's uniform originally, so if it was Wagner's influence that kept the movie uniform so close to the comic-book, someone needs to buy the Wag' the largest drink they can next time they meet him...
Quote from: pops1983 on 21 June, 2011, 12:22:37 AM
Sooo.....you stock-pile Monkey Faeces? Welcome to the board
No, if Rob Schneider was on screen then the Moneky Turds would already be there.
Sorry if this has been covered but will there be a 2D version of the film released as well?
I wonder if they're starting to regret spending all that money on doing JD in 3D; all signs seem to be pointing to fatigue for this gimmick.
More than likely there'll be 2D versions, depending on the cinema.
Not sure how much the 3D aspect added to the production cost as there were savings made elsewhere but the '3D thing' is what happens when certain artistic decisions are influenced by the market and possibly may have been a production requisite to securing funding from certain backers.
A pity, it could conceivably do more damage than good at this point by the time it comes out.
I am looking forward to it though, especially the non-3D version :P
I wouldn't worry too much about it, it'll still be a film in either version and it's only a matter of whether you like to wear sun-glasses in the cinema or not.
The sad thing is I will watch it in both 2D and 3D. As will many others on this board.
V
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 June, 2011, 09:52:25 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about it, it'll still be a film in either version and it's only a matter of whether you like to wear sun-glasses in the cinema or not.
The 3D aspect of modern blockbusters has effected the way people make films though, directorial decisions etc. Action scenes are a bloody mess (not that they haven't been a mess for about 10 years now) because they're limited in terms of editing, focus and composition when done in 3D.
I have to wear glasses when I go to the cinema anyway, so putting on a second pair isn't the most enjoyable or comfortable experience!
Quote from: PreacherCain on 21 June, 2011, 10:06:15 PMThe 3D aspect of modern blockbusters has effected the way people make films though, directorial decisions etc. Action scenes are a bloody mess (not that they haven't been a mess for about 10 years now) because they're limited in terms of editing, focus and composition when done in 3D.
Those issues have been addressed by the cinematographer all ready:
QuoteI built some new cameras rigs that can take you very close to the action. It won't look so much like the action films we're accustomed to, and the audience won't have things thrust in their faces every five minutes. I hope it will be more painterly.
He's also using certain surveillance cameras that can focus down to the the hairs on poeple's noses.
In any case shooting in 2D never saved Chris Nolan from bad direction of action scenes. It's all down to whomever's shooting and ability to
block scenes and their visual grasp.
Fair point. That cinematographer quote is interesting. And I'm liking that this film is under Boyle's production company and a Garland script (let's hope he's finally sorted that third-act problem he's always had!) Didn't realize Duncan Jones had been offered the film too, that would have been interesting.
Quote from: PreacherCain on 21 June, 2011, 11:02:31 PM
And I'm liking that this film is under Boyle's production company and a Garland script (let's hope he's finally sorted that third-act problem he's always had!) Didn't realize Duncan Jones had been offered the film too, that would have been interesting.
Danny Boyle has nothing to do with
DNA films -founded by Duncan Kenworthy and Andrew Macdonald- other than he directed films for them all right, but he has no involvement otherwise with the company than as a
past freelance director- his last two films were made for other companies- just as other work-for-hire directors. In fact he was rather
disparaging of Dredd when the question was posed to him about whether he'd been asked to direct:
Quote"Where has this come from? Someone asked me about Judge Dredd the other day!" When Empire reminded Boyle that DNA was producing, it got even worse: "Well... ha! I hated the last version of it; I can't imagine the next one will be any better."
I wasn't too enamoured of Duncan Jones' idea for the film -involving Death and the League of fatties apparently- it also would never have happened because the proposed budget wouldn't have covered that kind of Dredd story and done it any justice. Garland's condensed setting and screenplay is the best option. It's up to everyone else involved now to improve on it.
Oh man. I'd never seen that quote from Boyle before. Dang.
Quote from: blackmocco on 21 June, 2011, 11:23:58 PM
Oh man. I'd never seen that quote from Boyle before. Dang.
What a way to insult his mate. Success had gone to his depleted
bouffant. His films can be fairly superficial anyway despite the sheen of 'seriousness'.
(http://thephoenix.com/blogs/blogs/outsidetheframe/Danny-Boyle---Slumdog-Mil-002.jpg)
It is a bit strange he'd be so disaparaging toward his own friend/collaborator. I actually though the DnA company referred to Danny and Alex. D'oh :(
I like Duncan Jones as a director quite a bit. However, I wouldn't be too enamoured with the idea of Judge Death in a film, not too sure it would work all that well. Garlands 'A Day in the Life' idea does indeed sound like a great first film and will hopefully make for a tough, lean and gritty film that should be able to effectively capture the character and world.
I haven't been following the details on this film all that much so apologies for my naive assumptions in some cases. I'm planning on going to see this film as 'green' as possible; I only know the basic outline so far and I'm going to try and keep it that way! (I'm probably in the wrong thread for that, I know!)
Danny Boyle isnt a fan who came out with a flippant comment about it in passing so its hardly worth being offended over it.
Boring.
I have to say though that i have never been impressed by a Danny Boyle film of those that i have seen and a lot of them have been scripted by Alex Garland so i think that they are both overrated and Alex Garland was only hired to write the script because he is an inhouse scriptwriter for DNA.
As for the 3D aspect i am not interested as i find that 2D is good enough for films and watching a film wearing glasses doesnt appeal and nor do frivolous gimmicks.Also i am not involved in film production but i cannot see any sense in filming a low budget film in 3D.It will only be in the cinemas for a week or so and i cannot imagine that everyone who will watch this film has their own 3D TV or their own 3D glasses at home and hardly any cinemas have 3D screens.It might be that the director has done something interesting that couldnt be done without it so it remains to be seen....
3D is just a rehashed gimmick from the 1950s.
Its not like 3D films are a major trend as the majority of films are not filmed in 3D so its not like the film would be a bigger risk financially if it wasnt filmed in 3D and how many floating filmgoers will watch this film on the basis that it is filmed in 3D ?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 June, 2011, 10:24:18 PM
Those issues have been addressed by the cinematographer all ready: QuoteI built some new cameras rigs that can take you very close to the action. It won't look so much like the action films we're accustomed to, and the audience won't have things thrust in their faces every five minutes. I hope it will be more painterly.
He's also using certain surveillance cameras that can focus down to the the hairs on poeple's noses.
i dont see how that comment addresses the issues around filming in 3D .
Also i have gone past the point of being annoyed by the constant use of the word "gritty" but i am very tired of hearing it and its on a par with "hardcore" which doesnt seem to be used nearly as much so thank fuck for that.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 01:09:10 AM
Danny Boyle isnt a fan who came out with a flippant comment about it in passing so its hardly worth being offended over it.
Boring.
I have to say though that i have never been impressed by a Danny Boyle film of those that i have seen and a lot of them have been scripted by Alex Garland so i think that they are both overrated and Alex Garland was only hired to write the script because he is an inhouse scriptwriter for DNA.
As for the 3D aspect i am not interested as i find that 2D is good enough for films and watching a film wearing glasses doesnt appeal and nor do frivolous gimmicks.Also i am not involved in film production but i cannot see any sense in filming a low budget film in 3D.It will only be in the cinemas for a week or so and i cannot imagine that everyone who will watch this film has their own 3D TV or their own 3D glasses at home and hardly any cinemas have 3D screens.It might be that the director has done something interesting that couldnt be done without it so it remains to be seen....
3D is just a rehashed gimmick from the 1950s.
Its not like 3D films are a major trend as the majority of films are not filmed in 3D so its not like the film would be a bigger risk financially if it wasnt filmed in 3D and how many floating filmgoers will watch this film on the basis that it is filmed in 3D ?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 June, 2011, 10:24:18 PM
Those issues have been addressed by the cinematographer all ready: QuoteI built some new cameras rigs that can take you very close to the action. It won't look so much like the action films we're accustomed to, and the audience won't have things thrust in their faces every five minutes. I hope it will be more painterly.
He's also using certain surveillance cameras that can focus down to the the hairs on poeple's noses.
i dont see how that comment addresses the issues around filming in 3D .
Also i have gone past the point of being annoyed by the constant parroting of the word "gritty" but i am very tired of hearing it and its on a par with "hardcore" which doesnt seem to be used nearly as much so thank fuck for that.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 01:09:10 AMi dont see how that comment addresses the issues around filming in 3D .
If you read through the original problems
PreacherCain was raising about issues with
lens focusing and
scene staging in action scenes or any scenes in 3D films the cinematographer's quote does address his attitude/technique in approaching those issues. Knowing about the technical problems because of my job, I understand exactly what he's talking about and how he's managing the challenges by influencing the viewer's
focus of attention.
QuoteI built some new cameras rigs that can take you very close to the action. It won't look so much like the action films we're accustomed to, and the audience won't have things thrust in their faces every five minutes. I hope it will be more painterly.
QuoteHe's also using certain surveillance cameras that can focus down to the the hairs on people's noses.
QuoteAlso i am not involved in film production but i cannot see any sense in filming a low budget film in 3D.It will only be in the cinemas for a week or so and i cannot imagine that everyone who will watch this film has their own 3D TV or their own 3D glasses at home and hardly any cinemas have 3D screens.It might be that the director has done something interesting that couldnt be done without it so it remains to be seen....
Regardless of my own opinion on 3D - don't care about it - your comment doesn't make much sense, the film won't strictly be screened in 3D but will be in cinemas where available. There will be a 2D option too, if you so desire. Anyway, I'm not sure the film was that more expensive because it was shot 3D since it was a small film shot in one location - problem solving made easier - requiring little if any redistribution of facilities/crew.
I'm not sure why you think Dredd will only be in the cinemas for 'a week or so', also calling it a
low budget film is a total
misnomer, at $35/$45 million it's an
average budget film and if you take into account that it was shot in South Africa where the dollar is worth more and goes further and the equipment/studio/crew hire was probably cheaper, the budget strecthed further than if shot in the USA or England, plus, there are no 'stars'. Possibly approaching a '$100 million dollars' in production 'value'.
Would you consider
District 9 - a film of similar, slightly less finance - to look and feel low budget?
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 01:11:30 AMDanny Boyle isnt a fan who came out with a flippant comment about it in passing so its hardly worth being offended over it.
Boring.
I have to say though that i have never been impressed by a Danny Boyle film of those that i have seen and a lot of them have been scripted by Alex Garland so i think that they are both overrated and Alex Garland was only hired to write the script because he is an inhouse scriptwriter for DNA.
I'm not sure anyone was ever
offended Peter and I'm don't think anyone was under obligation to
excite you.
A lot of them, really? Of the
9 films directed by Danny Boyle, only
2 screenplays were written by Garland, Sunshine and 28 Days Later. Sunshine is pretty good - first 2 acts- but I think Never Let Me Go -not Boyle- is a lot better and quite subtle.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 01:11:30 AMand Alex Garland was only hired to write the script because he is an inhouse scriptwriter for DNA.
For someone who says he's 'not involved in film production', you seem to know a lot concerning the decisions made on this film.
Alex Garland also scripted 28 Days Later and i thought he scripted The Beach as well.
As for the film being low budget it has been described as that on these threads right from the word go so i was parroting what others have said about it.
I have a right to be wrong !
I havent commented on the rest of your replies but i take them as corrections apart from the reply to mine about the Danny Boyle comment as you know as well as i do that fans can be touchy about that sort of thing.
It gave you something to do for a while.
Regarding 3D i was reading upon it and there are articles about it causing sickness and headaches.There are 400 3D screens in the UK and i read that 10 are opening weekly and Sony have invested a lot in 3D tvs so a few years down the line it will be Super High Definition 3D-3D TVs.
To be fair to Boyle, that comment was, iirc, made offhand to a journo at an awards ceremony or premiere or something. He'd never heard of the film and I doubt he knew of garland and macdonald's involvement at that time.
Garland is also serving as Producer on Dredd isn't he? He may also have originated the entire idea for the film and was probably central to it getting made at all - it's a little reductive to refer to him as the 'in-house screenwriter'.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AM
Alex Garland also scripted 28 Days Later and i thought he scripted The Beach as well.
I believe I mentioned that Garland wrote the 28 Days Later screenplay, he didn't write the screenplay for the Beach, John Hodge did - Garland wrote the novel - so Garland still only scripted
2 of Boyle's screenplays.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AM
I have a right to be wrong !
and you express that right brilliantly.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AMIt gave you something to do for a while.
and it distracted you from talking about the Rothschilds/Rockefellers/Reptiles ;]
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AMRegarding 3D i was reading upon it and there are articles about it causing sickness and headaches.
Really, I don't believe anyone mentioned those problems you're
now talking about so I don't know why you bothered to quote anybody in reference to other issues when you were talking about something else in your own 'privacy'. If there were that many problems with sickness and headaches, no one would be going. The same argument has been made for 2D films as well since cinema began
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2011, 10:07:46 AM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AM
Alex Garland also scripted 28 Days Later and i thought he scripted The Beach as well.
I believe I mentioned that Garland wrote the 28 Days Later screenplay, he didn't write the screenplay for the Beach, John Hodge did - Garland wrote the novel - so Garland still only scripted 2 of Boyle's screenplays.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AM
I have a right to be wrong !
and you express that right brilliantly.
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AMIt gave you something to do for a while.
and it distracted you from talking about the Rothschilds/Rockefellers/Reptiles ;]
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AMRegarding 3D i was reading upon it and there are articles about it causing sickness and headaches.
Really, I don't believe anyone mentioned those problems you're now talking about so I don't know why you bothered to quote anybody in reference to other issues when you were talking about something else in your own 'privacy'. If there were that many problems with sickness and headaches, no one would be going. The same argument has been made for 2D films as well since cinema began, it's not a criticism of whether 3D films work or not.
From what I remember, there wasn't a single day when Alex wasn't on set. Nice bloke, by the way..
They had a really cool camera rig for the SI2K cameras.. That was for the stedicam shots. They basically stipped the guts out of the camera, and just had the two lens and sensor modules on the head, while all the electronics and batteries etc. were on a backpack. They referred to them as ghostbusters.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 22 June, 2011, 10:18:54 AM
From what I remember, there wasn't a single day when Alex wasn't on set. Nice bloke, by the way..
They had a really cool camera rig for the SI2K cameras.. That was for the stedicam shots. They basically stipped the guts out of the camera, and just had the two lens and sensor modules on the head, while all the electronics and batteries etc. were on a backpack. They referred to them as ghostbusters.
I assume this was to balance the weight of carrying two cameras -steroscopic- on one steadi-cam?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2011, 10:14:08 AM
Quote from: Peter Wolf on 22 June, 2011, 02:31:18 AMRegarding 3D i was reading upon it and there are articles about it causing sickness and headaches.
Really, I don't believe anyone mentioned those problems you're now talking about so I don't know why you bothered to quote anybody in reference to other issues when you were talking about something else in your own 'privacy'. If there were that many problems with sickness and headaches, no one would be going. The same argument has been made for 2D films as well since cinema began, it's not a criticism of whether 3D films work or not.
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I talked about sickness and headaches when i was reading about 3D films as a side issue.I have no idea if its a genuine problem or not but it has been widely publicised in the MSM as one article i read was in the Telegraph.I am curious about it but i havent any experience of it myself and it seems like something that affects a small percentage.
I have to admit that i only posted my comment in the first place because i was a bit bored and felt like ranting about it.
You did ask about District 9 and wether it looked like a low budget film.It didnt look like a low budget film and the general opinion was that the filmmaker had acheived a lot with their budget.It was obvious that they saved a lot of cash filming in a shanty town that already existed presumably or was it a set created for the film ?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2011, 10:31:31 AM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 22 June, 2011, 10:18:54 AM
From what I remember, there wasn't a single day when Alex wasn't on set. Nice bloke, by the way..
They had a really cool camera rig for the SI2K cameras.. That was for the stedicam shots. They basically stipped the guts out of the camera, and just had the two lens and sensor modules on the head, while all the electronics and batteries etc. were on a backpack. They referred to them as ghostbusters.
I assume this was to balance the weight of carrying two cameras -steroscopic- on one steadi-cam?
Basically yes.. The weight of two cameras hanging off of your body would make you fall flat on your face.. The Red rig was very impressive too.. If you like the look of CNC'ed 7000 grade aluminium you would've had to change your pants.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2011, 01:38:22 AM
I'm not sure why you think Dredd will only be in the cinemas for 'a week or so', also calling it a low budget film is a total misnomer, at $35/$45 million it's an average budget film and if you take into account that it was shot in South Africa where the dollar is worth more and goes further and the equipment/studio/crew hire was probably cheaper, the budget strecthed further than if shot in the USA or England, plus, there are no 'stars'. Possibly approaching a '$100 million dollars' in production 'value'.
Would you consider District 9 - a film of similar, slightly less finance - to look and feel low budget?
It would be a MASSIVE result if Dredd was as successful as District 9. I'd be delighted to see Joe topping the BO charts in the US and the UK.
Maybe it could happen, who knows. I think District 9 has shown you don't need to be a mega-budget film or have A-list stars to attract an audience, although I'm doubtful Dredd will match 9's numbers.
What's equally important is how much money is spent marketing it, how clever the marketing strategy actually is, and what the competition is like. Obviously the core demographic is going to be 16-34 men, and as long as there isn't too much else out there, Dredd could scoop up a fair few of them.
Here's hoping anyway. I want the memory of Stallone/ Cannon's abortion to be forever expunged. Fine, some of the stills may look underwhelming, and the story feels very one-note to me, but I'm hopeful that it's going to silence the nay-sayers and be the film we want it to be.
Good or bad no doubt I'll see it more than once in the hope another is made.The opening weekend seems to be critical for success, how much ,roughly would it need to make on it's opening weekend, given it's budget for it to be deemed a success and worthy of a sequel?Also, failing that, some sequels have been made on the back of dvd sales so ,again same question.Thanks
Read that the budget was around the $45 million mark. For the sake of comparison, District 9 was $30 million while Marvel stuff like Iron Man/Thor tend to never stray above $150 million. I don't know if marketing budgets fit into those numbers.
District 9 made $37 million in its opening weekend. I imagine the Dredd people are hoping for something like $15-20 million in US alone. Of course that depends on their release strategy; how many screen it opens in etc. It should do well in international markets too, particularly Europe. The international market is really helping buck up Hollywood at the minute, with stuff like Pirates 4 doing huge numbers abroad but isn't at its best at home in the US.
Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 27 June, 2011, 11:06:22 PM
Good or bad no doubt I'll see it more than once in the hope another is made.The opening weekend seems to be critical for success, how much ,roughly would it need to make on it's opening weekend, given it's budget for it to be deemed a success and worthy of a sequel?Also, failing that, some sequels have been made on the back of dvd sales so ,again same question.Thanks
Box office opening weekend takings dont determine the success of a film as its more of a competitive thing which isnt critical for its success although if it it did generate high takings it would raise the profile of the film as it snowballs from there but the one thing that will guarantee a sequel is if it makes back its budget and then some like District Nine which is through sales and rentals of DVDs as well as box office.
District 9 was very cleverly marketed plus it had a script that was unlike anything else around.
Opening weekend box office is something that is more critical to the success of big budget blockbusters/event films as its highly competitive but its not something that is so important to smaller budget films as you wouldnt be projecting high box office for a smaller budget film and its more the exception than the rule when a low/medium budget genrates a lot of revenue on an opening weekend.
If you don't mind me chipping in, it's an exercise in futility to speculate on how well Dredd will do at the box-office upon release, as so many films have either underperformed or overperformed projections, regardless of quality (for example, how an absolute masterpiece like The Shawshank Redemption or The Iron Giant both ended up a flop at the box-office, I'll never understand), and the same could be said of Dredd. Don't forget, the first Rambo film, First Blood, was only a modest success at the box-office upon release, but very strong video sales convinced Carolco to make a sequel, and the rest is history (even though the second and third Rambo films aren't great, IMHO, the last one was, however), and even if Dredd does only moderately well at the box-office, if DVD and Blu Ray sales are very and consistantly strong- like they were with the 2004 movie The Punisher (leading to a sequel, kind of, there)- a sequel is highly likely, although what kind of budget increase (inflation notwithstanding) a Dredd sequel might get, and how that would affect whatever storyline Alex Garland might have currently in mind is another, more speculative, matter entirely...
Quote from: Beaky Smoochies on 28 June, 2011, 09:26:22 AM
If you don't mind me chipping in, it's an exercise in futility to speculate on how well Dredd will do at the box-office upon release, as so many films have either underperformed or overperformed projections, regardless of quality (for example, how an absolute masterpiece like The Shawshank Redemption or The Iron Giant both ended up a flop at the box-office, I'll never understand), and the same could be said of Dredd. Don't forget, the first Rambo film, First Blood, was only a modest success at the box-office upon release, but very strong video sales convinced Carolco to make a sequel, and the rest is history (even though the second and third Rambo films aren't great, IMHO, the last one was, however), and even if Dredd does only moderately well at the box-office, if DVD and Blu Ray sales are very and consistantly strong- like they were with the 2004 movie The Punisher (leading to a sequel, kind of, there)- a sequel is highly likely, although what kind of budget increase (inflation notwithstanding) a Dredd sequel might get, and how that would affect whatever storyline Alex Garland might have currently in mind is another, more speculative, matter entirely...
Sadly, Iron Giant was the victim of Warner Bros studio exec infighting. One half of the studio top floor hated the other and did everything they could to sabotage the other's releases. Pathetic.
Kinda makes ya glad that Dredd is an independent production, dunnit :)...!?