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Title: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 May, 2018, 01:36:54 PM
Prog is still good - great. Not really much change from last week really.

Oh and I should say while I'm far from Survival Geeks biggest fan but it certainly gives good cover! Enjoy the cosplay spotfest that is the back cover.

Inside Dredd continues to skillfully build a wonder adventure dripping with intrigue. Enjoying watching this make reveal... well we don't know but I'm enjoying not knowing.

Skip Tracer still building well but it needs to make me connect with the led soon or its going to just be a series of fiun events and I might drift off. Still has time and still building its story well but I did notice this week I'm pretty unengaged by the led at this point.

Survival Geeks had some cute moments but also at time felt too twee pastiche of references. Its so okay.

Deadworld on the other hand is defo pastiche but by heck its bloody a romping one. Its not doing anything new but its not doing anything new soooo well.

Durham Red not quite as good as last time but by George it gives us our mission, throws in action and fun character and sets a nice atmosphere for next time. I means its not doing a bad job in 5 pages is it. Great stuff.

So yeah strong Prog and a nice summation of why 2000ad is the Galaxies Greatest from Tharg in the Nerve Centre

QuoteThat's the 2000ad experience and its a reaction no other anthology [he should just have said comic here] can instil in its readership. Excitment, dislocation, unease, joy... its not unknown to run the whole gamut of emotions whilst consuming a single Prog.

Ahem Tharg, ahem.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Tomwe on 26 May, 2018, 01:49:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeHvtbrX0AATfkE.jpg)
Love that cover! Googe is nuts 😆
Who are the two guys with green bats/containers far left on the rear?
(I tried to start this thread myself a short while ago  but guess I'm not allowed or clashed with this one)
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 26 May, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
What a cover! Best in years for me. Such effort and love. Who'd you spot?

Ash, from evil dead
Kameleon, from doctor who
Austin powers
Monkeys. Lots of monkeys. But no hats, so doesn't count
Cyclops
Mike, from monsters inc
Fry and leela
Time cop?
Marvin, from hitchers tv series
Marvin, from hitchers movie
Doc brown
The rabbit from Donnie darko
Silent bob
Doctor and k9 cosplay
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Tomwe on 26 May, 2018, 03:02:03 PM
Sully there with Mike W, David from Flight Of The Navigator, cast of South Park
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: The Monarch on 26 May, 2018, 04:02:41 PM
rick and morty and booster gold....which consider booster i bet IS booster and not a cosplayer xd
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 May, 2018, 05:30:41 PM
I also think we have Spock and Sulu from Star Trek 4 and Uhura and short sleeve Kirk from some episode or other?

Booster Gold has Skeets with him as well.

11th Doc Who and is that the Time Bandits on the poster... it must be right.

I'm also going for Bill Murray from Ground Hog day as he has some kinda ground hog on his shoulder... this one is a punt
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Richard on 26 May, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
Also Kirk and Spock from the Mirror, Mirror episode of the original series.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Frank on 26 May, 2018, 06:29:39 PM

Lola Rennt (http://images.fan-de-cinema.com/affiches/large/6e/24375.jpg), offering (terrible) financial advice, Ziggy from Quantum Leap, and the guy from that meme I don't understand (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens).


Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Woolly on 26 May, 2018, 06:40:29 PM
Shame we only get prints of the Meg covers, 'cause thats amazing!  :o
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 May, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 26 May, 2018, 05:30:41 PM
I'm also going for Bill Murray from Ground Hog day as he has some kinda ground hog on his shoulder... this one is a punt

If you mean the kid with the baseball cap, that's surely an alt-verse Ash Ketchum and Pikachu...? Puxatawney Phil is represented on one of the banners on't ceiling.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Frank on 26 May, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 26 May, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
... the kid with the baseball cap (is) surely an alt-verse Ash Ketchum and Pikachu...?

As Tomwe says, that's the kid from Flight Of The Navigator (https://i.imgur.com/aQjPUrh.png?1). You're not missing anything.

I'm going to be the guy who takes the shame-hit for commenting on the fact that Tom Baker has a woman's breasts, my Lord (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EfW9znJYjw).


Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Tomwe on 26 May, 2018, 10:04:43 PM
Yeah Phil & Phil are in the crowd as well as that poster. Anyone able to call the girl with the bike?
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 May, 2018, 10:22:48 PM
Quote from: Frank on 26 May, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 26 May, 2018, 08:44:48 PM
... the kid with the baseball cap (is) surely an alt-verse Ash Ketchum and Pikachu...?

As Tomwe says, that's the kid from Flight Of The Navigator (https://i.imgur.com/aQjPUrh.png?1). You're not missing anything.

D'oh! Course it is.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Frank on 26 May, 2018, 10:38:29 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 26 May, 2018, 10:04:43 PM
Anyone able to call the girl with the bike?

Once you click through three pages of hentai, Google suggests school girl + satchel + red bike = The Girl Who Leapt Through Time (http://dizw242ufxqut.cloudfront.net/images/product/movie/dvd/image1/the_girl_who_leapt_through_time_import-14138971-.jpg). Hawkmumbler can confirm.

Back on safer, old-man territory:

(https://i.imgur.com/oRWz0Jd.png?4) (https://i.imgur.com/hhwov0j.png?2)
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 26 May, 2018, 11:24:59 PM
Project Tic Toc (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Time_Tunnel)
If you can hear the theme tune now then you may be as old as me.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 26 May, 2018, 11:36:04 PM
My favourite bit might be the John Titor reference.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Tjm86 on 27 May, 2018, 04:41:15 PM
"The little Dalek that could ..... Exterminate" banner.

Now that would make for an interesting children book!   :o
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Proudhuff on 28 May, 2018, 06:05:27 PM
Why so many monkeys?
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Richard on 28 May, 2018, 06:24:04 PM
Not enough monkeys!!
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Proudhuff on 28 May, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
never enough monkeys!
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Proudhuff on 28 May, 2018, 06:43:15 PM
Dredd: Safe hands, and some good world building, highly enjoyable.

Skip Tracer sorry but strikes me that this would have won the Pitchfest bingo prize.

Survival Geeks Enjoying this, even if most of the refs go over my head.


Deadworm This is really starting to grow on me, raiding the Dreadworld back catalogue and shaking it up: goodie are baddie etc  and we can see what's going on now except for Ba'sheid who does scare me.

Durham Red not quite as was promised but promising...
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Jacqusie on 28 May, 2018, 11:31:36 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 26 May, 2018, 01:36:54 PM


So yeah strong Prog and a nice summation of why 2000ad is the Galaxies Greatest from Tharg in the Nerve Centre


The strange thing I've noticed about Thargs missives and especially this one glaringly, he's reeling off a list of what's in the prog, next to a big old list of what's in the prog...  which is next to the Dredd story, which is in the prog...

I'm never a great fan of the contents page at the best of times as a space filler and Thargs messages dearly need a bit of umph methinks, tell us what's up and coming, what's happened to the 2nd part of Helium or (a long shot I know) Stickleback!  ;)


Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: broodblik on 29 May, 2018, 05:04:31 AM
Quote from: Jacqusie on 28 May, 2018, 11:31:36 PM

I'm never a great fan of the contents page at the best of times as a space filler and Thargs messages dearly need a bit of umph methinks, tell us what's up and coming, what's happened to the 2nd part of Helium or (a long shot I know) Stickleback!  ;)


Now I also want to know what happens in the second part of Helium
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Frank on 29 May, 2018, 06:45:11 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 29 May, 2018, 05:04:31 AM
Quote from: Jacqusie on 28 May, 2018, 11:31:36 PM
tell us what's up and coming, what's happened to the 2nd part of Helium

Now I also want to know what happens in the second part of Helium

In the second series of Helium, nice Mr D'Israeli is bumped off and replaced by the sinister Lord Trevallion:

https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=44338.msg975339#msg975339


Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: broodblik on 29 May, 2018, 08:10:29 AM
Quote from: Frank on 29 May, 2018, 06:45:11 AM
In the second series of Helium, nice Mr D'Israeli is bumped off and replaced by the sinister Lord Trevallion

Both of them are great, although quite different styles.

Back to the present: I really like these covers where it is a journey of discovery of different characters
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: wedgeski on 29 May, 2018, 10:49:23 AM
Epic cover, devoured the prog this week.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Magnetica on 29 May, 2018, 06:57:33 PM
Great Prog this week.

Don't know if it's just me but Skip Tracer felt like it skipped a bit from the end of last week's episode.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: broodblik on 30 May, 2018, 05:40:42 AM
Really enjoyed this week prog all strips for me was just great. I am enjoying the the intrigue in the current Dredd strip. The new-look for Durham  Red works for me.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Timothy on 30 May, 2018, 08:49:36 AM
With all the geek references on the cover we are 2 pages into this thread and nobody has mentioned the nod to the cover of Prog 509 in Durham Red. Call yourselves squaxx?(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Pb-bVXUAIE60u.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: norton canes on 30 May, 2018, 11:37:56 AM
Just got my prog

All I'm saying for now is

COVER
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: TordelBack on 30 May, 2018, 04:02:04 PM
Robin Smith draws a mean Cate Blanchett!
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Frank on 30 May, 2018, 08:27:17 PM

Mean Cate Blanchett has a dial on her forehead; on 1, she's Galadriel, but she can turn it all the way up to Carol.


(https://i.imgur.com/IgukVfJ.png?3) [1]


We've all been very patient, but this week's Skip Tracer settles the question of whether it's subverting dick-lit archetypes or perpetuating them. Nothing objectively wrong with that, I suppose, and Paul Marshall's giving the material everything he's got.

To run two strips where gumshoes with troubled pasts hit-up informants on the trail of a Maltese Maguffin[2] may be considered unfortunate; to run three seems like carelessness.

As with Skip Tracer, Ben Wilsher and Jake Lynch's art make that which is old new again. The former adding new tricks to an already full box I'd have been happy for him to dip into for the rest of his career, the latter making the transition from Plucky Tryer we're all rooting for to Assured Professional look easy.

Six months after Last Jedi's salt planet, is Alec (Curley) Worley really taking us to Sugar World? [3]



[1] The influence of Mark Millar on 2000ad continues to be felt to this day.

[2] Literally Find the Lady, in the case of Durham Red and Skip Tracer.

[3] Better than Spice World. Little Red ends up locked in Ma Harris's oven as punishment for eating pieces of her gingerbread house.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Albion on 30 May, 2018, 09:54:43 PM
Shouldn't the cover be in the IP infringement thread?
They are selling a comic using other companies IP aren't they?  ;)😄
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Frank on 30 May, 2018, 10:36:49 PM

I'm guessing the average interval between script submission and print is around six months (https://www.today.com/health/betty-white-s-secret-long-happy-life-positivity-also-vodka-t120857):

(https://i.imgur.com/WXC9Ntf.png?3) (https://i.imgur.com/yVZZZQR.jpg?4)



I'm sure Rose would say the shape of that block reminds her of her wedding night.


Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: TordelBack on 30 May, 2018, 11:43:15 PM
A few minor reservations this week, but this remains an excellent line-up, every story holding my interest.

Survival Geeks the clear winner for me this week, Cover of the Year, and such a gorgeously drawn, amusing and neatly told episode.  Just what the Doctor ordered.   

Deadworld seems to get unnecessarily specific this week, about things perhaps best left vague, and I'm not sure such an ever-growing cast suits Kendall's work: expecting this to get trimmed soon though!

Durham Red continues to impress, not a big fan of the photo-realistic effects on Harris, but Willsher carries it off.

Skip Tracer... it reads well, and looks great, but it still seems to be reaching for its own identity.  Certainly willing to extend it a bit more grace.

Over in Dredd, wouldn't the Judges normally identify themselves when breaking in a door, to avoid precisely the situation Lugo claims?  Meanwhile, back in the past, where the Public Defender Droids and slick Attorneys that occasionally bedevil Dredd have yet to be invented, the cliffhanger stand-off seems relegated to an uncharacteristically pokey last panel from Lynch.  A good yarn though.

Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: TordelBack on 30 May, 2018, 11:48:54 PM
Quote from: Frank on 30 May, 2018, 08:27:17 PM

Mean Cate Blanchett has a dial on her forehead; on 1, she's Galadriel, but she can turn it all the way up to Carol.

"Drokk!  Dial's stuck on Col. Dr. Spalko!  She's in a scenery-chewing frenzy!"
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: norton canes on 31 May, 2018, 09:49:48 AM
I don't think I'm gonna go over each strip separately. I'll just say that this is the most enjoyable prog I've read since coming back to the fold 15 months ago. Everything is firing.

If last week was Durham Red's prog then this week Survival Geeks rule the roost. That cover! Did we work out who the two guys on the left are, holding things over their shoulders? Also is there any significance to Jace Darkmatter being spelled 'Jase Darkmater'?
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Dandontdare on 31 May, 2018, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 31 May, 2018, 09:49:48 AMDid we work out who the two guys on the left are, holding things over their shoulders?

That one's been bugging me too!
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Taryn Tailz on 31 May, 2018, 05:41:50 PM
Is that Kamelion from Doctor Who standing to the left of Austin Powers?
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: TordelBack on 31 May, 2018, 07:04:18 PM
Quote from: Richard on 28 May, 2018, 06:24:04 PM
Not enough monkeys!!

12 would be sufficient.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Tjm86 on 31 May, 2018, 07:12:33 PM
Are they monkeys though? 

Perhaps it's another creature that keeps turning up in the mail? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ying3Eywvlc)
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: I, Cosh on 31 May, 2018, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 May, 2018, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 31 May, 2018, 09:49:48 AMDid we work out who the two guys on the left are, holding things over their shoulders?
That one's been bugging me too!
They're all about time (or dimensional) travel? It's the two guys from Primer.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Leigh S on 31 May, 2018, 11:30:41 PM
So we've done Survival Geeks are just the Scooby gang? Nerd genius in glasses, slacker, animal sidekick, cute couple (though I really can't work out what the strip is saying about their non relationship - this story eems to be saying it is frustrated by them both wanting it to happen but then making obtuse logical leaps regarding the behaviour of child cosplayers that lead them to temporarily hate each other - kids today....)
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: sheridan on 01 June, 2018, 12:39:06 AM
Did anybody mention Ash yet?
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: sheridan on 01 June, 2018, 12:40:05 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 June, 2018, 12:39:06 AM
Did anybody mention Ash yet?

Er, yes - the very first cameo to be mentioned *ahem*
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: JOE SOAP on 01 June, 2018, 12:42:01 AM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 31 May, 2018, 11:21:31 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 May, 2018, 01:54:27 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 31 May, 2018, 09:49:48 AMDid we work out who the two guys on the left are, holding things over their shoulders?
That one's been bugging me too!
They're all about time (or dimensional) travel? It's the two guys from Primer.

Aye

(http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/screenwriter/files/2014/03/primer2-600x300.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 June, 2018, 08:29:04 AM
That movie gave me a headache!
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: CalHab on 01 June, 2018, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 01 June, 2018, 08:29:04 AM
That movie gave me a headache!

Me too. Apparently it gets easier to understand on subsequent viewings, but I just couldn't muster any enthusiasm for that.

I did like the "tech start-up" aesthetic.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 June, 2018, 09:15:16 PM
Quote from: CalHab on 01 June, 2018, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 01 June, 2018, 08:29:04 AM
That movie gave me a headache!

Me too. Apparently it gets easier to understand on subsequent viewings, but I just couldn't muster any enthusiasm for that.

I did like the "tech start-up" aesthetic.

There was a helpful flow-chart guide that someone here pointed me to that does help with unraveling the timelines. I make it a general rule not to think too hard about time travel movies (or the ABC warriors timeline) and just enjoy it, and I did.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Frank on 01 June, 2018, 09:30:02 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 26 May, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
Silent bob

You mean Jay*, and it's not Jay!

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ed/7c/97/ed7c97763a3776a20570d54759c6539b---monkeys-hyena.jpg)


* Time travel, see. I accept I'm the only person still interested in playing Where's Wally.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Muon on 02 June, 2018, 04:36:13 AM
Quote from: Frank on 01 June, 2018, 09:30:02 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 26 May, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
Silent bob

You mean Jay*, and it's not Jay!

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ed/7c/97/ed7c97763a3776a20570d54759c6539b---monkeys-hyena.jpg)


* Time travel, see. I accept I'm the only person still interested in playing Where's Wally.

Yeah, I spent ages looking for Kevin Smith dressed in a long coat. Seemed likely as a possibility as I've heard there's been a trend at US cons for a while for the more portly guys to rock a beard and a long coat or hockey jersey and either say they're Silent Bob or get all meta and say they're going as Smith himself. So then I thought the blondie might be Jay/Jason Mewes. But this makes far more sense and fits in with the time travel theme.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Muon on 02 June, 2018, 04:37:38 AM
Fun prog by the way. It's in "solid and dependable" mode at the moment.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: sheridan on 02 June, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Does anybody know who the tiny bearded guy behind the Girl Who Could Leap Through Time (interesting film, by the way, and part of an entire genre of manga/anime with magical time-travelling girls), the gold flying thing and the two identical smart-phone wielders on the front?
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Tomwe on 02 June, 2018, 11:08:00 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 02 June, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
Does anybody know who the tiny bearded guy behind the Girl Who Could Leap Through Time (interesting film, by the way, and part of an entire genre of manga/anime with magical time-travelling girls), the gold flying thing and the two identical smart-phone wielders on the front?
Gold flying thing is Booster Gold's buddy Skeets. I'm going to guess there are no cameos on the front, possibly for legal reasons.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Steve Green on 02 June, 2018, 08:36:57 PM
Minor thing, but wraparound covers don't work on the app store digital copy.

Maybe an idea to repeat the other side at the top and tail?
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: I, Cosh on 03 June, 2018, 11:03:52 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 02 June, 2018, 08:36:57 PM
Minor thing, but wraparound covers don't work on the app store digital copy.

Maybe an idea to repeat the other side at the top and tail?
It's strange because that's what they normally do with the wraparound covers like the last couple of Lawless ones.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: TordelBack on 03 June, 2018, 11:37:20 AM
It's such a fun cover, shame if you pixel-johnnies aren't getting the full effect.
Title: Re: Prog 2083 - Fame in the fifth dimension
Post by: Frank on 05 July, 2018, 05:34:00 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 03 June, 2018, 11:37:20 AM
It's such a fun cover, shame if you pixel-johnnies aren't getting the full effect.

Hopefully, The Cosh can now appreciate the full majesty of this cover, thanks to the 2000ad Discussion Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2000adDiscussion/about/)'s Roger Blake*, who has compiled this exhaustive list of all the fanboy and conspiracy nut references featured on this epic school jotter covering.

Confirmed by the very patient and indulgent Neil Googe himself:

https://2000adhallofhomage.wordpress.com/2018/07/05/no-200-fame-in-the-fifth-dimension/


* Have a sniff around the rest of Roger's 2000ad Hall Of Homage site while you're at it. Some great Swipe-File-worthy observations.