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I liked the Porgs too, but then again I like Ewoks! I'm a sucker for a little cuddly thing. What Chewy did to their mate was horrifying

Haha, a live late term abortion ouch. [spoiler]Leah Poppins definitely looked a bit silly. It also undermined the cool scene of her death. [/spoiler]  A lot of events amount to nought in the film.

Right, I remember that differently maybe someone can shed some light on that. Yeah he didn't think she'd ok his codebreaker plan, that's for sure.

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I found the [spoiler]mutiny and Laura Dern's plan[/spoiler] all a bit odd, please correct me if I'm misremembering anything

[spoiler]The story goes.. Poe finds out Laura Dern's plan to evacuate the main ship in slow unarmoured ships in full view of the First Order, he says it will get them all killed. He hatches a plan with his chums to stop the First Order tracking them and sends them off to a different planet. When the codebreaker mission starts to go west, he mutinies, fails and wakes up in the lifeboats or on his way to them. He finds out that part of Laura Dern's plan was for her to stay on the ship and now its a much better plan. I'm not including the light speed incident as part of the plan, it was a reaction to the plan failing against her expectations.

Now what changed? To me, the new plan was very similar indeed to the old plan and surely still had the exact same problem of visibility. If we ignore that and say the plan is a great one if Laura Dern stays on the ship, then why did she tell everyone just enough of the plan to make it sound suicidal and stop there? Also did I miss something as to how Finn and Rose getting off the ship wasn't an issue? [/spoiler]

I would've loved a scene of Snoke on the phone to the insurers after the dreadnought got blown up. Driver error my arse you Bothan slags

Interestingly, I recall a whole episode in one of the classic Star Wars comics, where Vader and Leia bump into each on a neutral planet negotiating with a dealer to build more spacecraft - TIEs and X-Wings respectively. So the whole arms trade thing has been covered in an off-shoot (probably non-canon) of the original trilogy.

That's just jogged my memory, when I was a kid I had a star wars encyclopedia type book that talked about a company that made ships for the Empire, pretty sure they were taken over by the Empire completely though, they didn't remain an independent entity. I think this book claimed that they also designed the X-Wing, and rebel sympathisers in the company smuggled out the plans to the rebels before the Empire got their hands on them. All non-canon I'm sure, especially with the Disney purge.

Send Luke in to blag a sweet deal with the force

It's definitely not illogical, that can be the way it works if they want to write it that way. Certainly how our culture works here on Earth.

Weapons dealers and war profiteers specifically, no? Not that there isn't a strong argument for the former interpretation.

I don't see how this is a problem, or at least any more of an over-simplification than 'galactic Nazis are evil'.  Was it not interesting to see the backdrop to all this, what the folks that aren't crime-lords, bounty hunters or barflys (sometimes literally) are up to while the bad guys and the good guys are killing each other?

It's not the end of the world but it undermines the First Order and the old Empire's scary image a little bit to think of them getting their AT-STs on finance and being beholden to weaselly money men, when I guess I thought they took what they wanted, conquered worlds and built their own war machines with the resources and economies they controlled.

But mainly the problem was to me that it was a huge new concept introduced flippantly and then unexplored, in an already messy film.

I'd forgotten about the 'the capitalists are the real evil' bit

Anybody watch RedLetterMedia? Their review is out now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9hwGZFPSmw

A Plinkett episode on it would be fun

@Link_Prime They should tell the 145 other people it might push them over the line and get this thing cancelled!

Personally even with some tones and humour we're perhaps not used to seeing in Star Wars, it looked and felt like a Star Wars movie the vast majority of the time. It was the writing that scuppered it

This is an interesting piece. IT CONTAINS SPOILERS!
I did not write it or have anything to do with it, I just think it's interesting in the context of this thread.

https://filmschoolrejects.com/disliking-the-last-jedi/?utm_content=buffer729db&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Good read. Only 145 people have signed that government petition linked in the article, I don't think its a big movement.

With the game Bob Iger himself rang up EA for a bit of crisis management and the offending micro-transaction system was taken offline post-haste. They definitely weren't into the bad publicity. I heard a radio programme recently where they said RyanAir might have its most profitable year this year, even with all that mess about mismanagement and cancelled flights. An expert was saying that bad publicity just bounces off RyanAir because they haven't got a good brand to ruin, Disney is in the exact opposite situation I'd say.

That's still a tall order surely. I cant think of any cases of a company promoting a negative view of their product in a non-tongue-in-cheek tone myself and even then its rare (marmite?). Recently there was a lot of bad publicity around Battlefront 2 and Disney didn't react like they didn't think bad publicity was a problem

From my personal circle of friends & family, the general consensus for about 75% of them was that it was a boring clusterf*ck.

yeah absolutely true for me too. It's got nothing to do with it defying what star wars should be, and I've not exactly been a rabid star wars fan since I was a kid (the prequels took the sheen off for me). Episode 7 and Rogue One were far from perfect but I enjoyed them overall, this film was just too bad! Vasquez reference not intended.