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Started by The Legendary Shark, 09 April, 2010, 03:59:03 PM

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Richard

More people voted for Remain parties than for Leave parties. If this had been a referendum, Remain would have won. Worth remembering when Tories and Brexiteers talk about their "mandate" to get Brexit done.

M.I.K.

Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 December, 2019, 02:02:38 PM
The SNP may have a more open outlook than many nationalist parties, but they share the trait of blaming all the ills of the world and all their failures in government on "them".

'cept in their case the "them" has always mainly been the British government.

sheridan

Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 13 December, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
I was reading John Gray's 'On Humans and Other Animals', and it was full of dire predictions on how humans don't learn from the past, are arbitrary in their thinking and not logical or rational at all. Human Progress, Gray asserts it is a myth, and you can't help thinking there might be something in that after recent events.


"One thing you learn from history is that nobody ever learnt anything from history."

sheridan

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 13 December, 2019, 03:56:32 PM
Gay marriage was the prize, but the Tories subsequently spun that as their win. The Libs monumentally messed up on AV though.


And how long before gay marriage is repealed?  I know there are definite plans to bring back fox hunting (as if it actually went away, despite the law).

shaolin_monkey

This is what happens when a decent man tries his best.

"Last night hurt, today hurts a bit more, tomorrow it will hurt even more.

Jeremy has dedicated each day of his political life for the less fortunate amongst us. Unwaveringly, he has fought and campaigned for people who suffer and people in hardship.

Being honest, humble and good natured in the poisonous world of politics has meant that he has endured the most despicable attacks filled with hatred for the duration of his 36 years in public life.

In his 31 years as an MP preceding his leadership he supported each campaign for peace and justice wherever it was in the world and however difficult or unpopular at the time. As Labour leader he continued to do so. He also produced the most wonderful manifesto this country has ever seen. He took on an entire establishment.

This meant that the attacks from all sides intensified and became even more poisonous while he was leader. We've never known a politician to be smeared and vilified so much.

His unbelievably broad shoulders and incredibly thick skin endured all of this so that we could all live in the hope of a world free of racism or hunger. The man led with strength difficult to quantify.

Not only have his messages been inspirational but he has delivered them with honesty, humility, dignity and above all, love. The polar opposite of how his opponents delivered theirs. As we are so used to seeing, the politics of division and the message of hatred prevailed.

To say we are proud is a vast understatement. To assume that the ideologies he stands for are now outdated is so wrong. In the coming years we will see that they are more important than ever.

Thank you to every person who saw his vision and supported it and supported him. From the three proudest sons on the planet, please continue the fight."

Ben Corbyn

shaolin_monkey

I weep for what could have been. I weep for our country.

Professor Bear

Ah, they'd have just declared the election result invalid anyway, like they did in Bolivia and Venezuela and everywhere else a socialist government gets in.  At least this way we don't have to have CIA goons clogging up the streets of London starting riots.

On the plus side, at least now we'll get to see this Russian report that Boris promised he'd publish after the election.

shaolin_monkey

Why are we living in such an unfeeling society?

TordelBack

#16613
Drink and on Public Tansport now so.please ignore, but:

What makes me so angry.about the UK result is the contrastime between Jezza and Johnson. I'd have voted for Corbyn. A thousand times if I was allowed. A intellectual, a proud, principled and demonstrable champion of the everyday person. Someone I'd have been proud to call leader, despite being a republican. You see him becoming the whipping boy of UK politics, on every fucking radio ststion.. Jesus. It's like fucking Spartacus in real time. 

He was the man who cold have given you back here beautiful dream of Britain. And again, I speak as a socialist and a republican. But.you.chose Johenson, who represents pr8veletw and entrenched self intetest.  I respected but never undestood Padraic Pearse until.today.

TordelBack

Ugh, home now and I promise that at least 10% of that incoherence was the bastard lovechild of my fat fingers and an unforgiving predictive text function on my heavily-aromoured phone. Point was, the UK was taasked by Grail Knight to chose wisely, but instead plumped for the gilded one with aw' the gee-gaws. I blame Allison Doody.

radiator

It's pretty clear that it all came down to Brexit. I would bet money that even if Labour had had a more centre-left, more telegenic and media trained leader, the result would have been exactly the same.

The irony is that the people turning on Corbyn now are probably the same kinds of people who pressured him into adopting a more overtly Remain/2nd Ref stance in the first place.

Ah well. All I'll say is that I appreciated, for once in my life, being able to actually enthusiastically cast my vote for a candidate rather than just picking the least objectionable option.

Tjm86

Quote from: Professor Bear on 13 December, 2019, 11:26:09 PM
..... at least now we'll get to see this Russian report that Boris promised he'd publish after the election.

Prof, this is the Political Thread, not Squaxx Telling Jokes ...

Jim_Campbell

The narrative currently being pushed that it was Corbyn* not Brexit that fucked Labour doesn't seem to be born out by the numbers.**

The Tories' share of the vote increased by 1.2%.... I'd actually have expected more of a bounce than that just from UKIP/BXP voters coming home. The Green Party increased their share of the vote by that much (presumably at the expense of Labour).

Labour's lost votes went to the LibDems and the Brexit Party, which means that their losses were *entirely* about Brexit. They lost Remain voters to the LibDems for not being Remainy enough and Leave voters to the BXP for not being Brexity enough.

Ironically, the issue which threatened to destroy the Conservatives has handed them a huge election victory and split the Labour Party instead. All the Tories had to do was promise to fuck the country's economy, wholeheartedly embrace racism, and destroy the union. Well done, everybody.

* I'm not saying Corbyn shouldn't go. You can't lose two General Election campaigns and expect to stay as party leader.

** I had a handy table with all the numbers, but I can't work out where my bloody phone saved it to.
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JayzusB.Christ

As a kid, I was bullied for being half-English.  All my life I've defended England against pig-headed black-and-white nationalism, saying that you can't blame the everyday man on the street for abuses against other countries.

But you know what?  I'm running out of excuses.  Brexit is a nasty, ugly and arrogant piece of work, paving the way for decades of xenophobia and isolationism, and now a landslide victory for a self-serving little prick who hasn't got an ounce of moral fibre. 

Obviously you guys here are ok, but we would appear to be in a bubble.  Get it together,  England.
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

sheridan

Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 14 December, 2019, 09:35:51 AM
I had a handy table with all the numbers, but I can't work out where my bloody phone saved it to.

No table, but I've read a few interesting stats...

Cons and Brexit parties got 46% of the vote, though the Cons have 56% of MPs, giving them the majority.

Labour, Lib Dems and other parties whose manifestos support Remain got 51% of the vote, meaning the British public have made clear * they don't want Brexit.  But it looks like that's what we'll get anyway.



* as clear as the 35% / 37% ** referendum split, anyway.

** popularly known as the 52% / 48% split.