God I love this strip! what a great idea, to show us how the dark judges actually managed to wipe out their planet. The art work is fantastic, the characters are likeable, and hopefully it continues to impress. The only concern I would have for it is that it might mess with the continuity of the dark judges timeline, but hopefully not.
Yup, I agree it's a gem. I'm finding the new run easier to follow than the first too. That would be my only minor criticism, the first run was quite hard to follow in places.
I know the art won't be to everyone's tastes, but I think the muted palette and free style of painting are very evocative.
Yeah, I like it. Enjoyed both previous stories as well.
Cheers
Regarding last issue, I'm glad we're starting to see more of the Dark Judges themselves, and I had a thought about how this may go - I think maybe [spoiler]Fairfax will end up becoming Judge Fear. All that flashback stuff about about his psychological triggers during training and that Sidney took him under his wing - maybe as Deadworld falls he will be forced to "gaze into the face of" his darkest fears and this will push him over the edge, at which point Sidney will welcome him back into the fold. He may end us as Fire or Mortis, but if it's any of them I'd bet Fear[/spoiler]
And the art is jaw-droppingly good. I enjoyed Tales of Deadworld more than the first series of Fall, but it's all good man, it's all good!
Quote from: Dandontdare on 29 March, 2017, 03:15:10 PM
Regarding last issue, I'm glad we're starting to see more of the Dark Judges themselves, and I had a thought about how this may go - I think maybe [spoiler]Fairfax will end up becoming Judge Fear. All that flashback stuff about about his psychological triggers during training and that Sidney took him under his wing - maybe as Deadworld falls he will be forced to "gaze into the face of" his darkest fears and this will push him over the edge, at which point Sidney will welcome him back into the fold. He may end us as Fire or Mortis, but if it's any of them I'd bet Fear[/spoiler]
You could be onto something DDD.
As an aside, when I asked Dave 'chronicler of the damned' Kendall for a sketch at the 40th bash I requested [spoiler]Fairfax or a Dark Judge of his choosing. "I'll do a Fear for you so"[/spoiler] was the implicit response.
Of course, Fairfax cannot be Judge Fire- in a plot twist so hackneyed it would make Stan Lee blush, it was previously revealed that he was originally some dude named Fuego.
My main thought for this is just how good a vehicle it is for Dave K. I've loved his work for many years and I am chuffed to bits that he's finally getting to show what he can do.
Deadworld is Lone Wolf and Cub in a post apocalyptic alternative Dreddverse. Add the masters that are Kek-W and Dave Kendal into the mix and you have the story that keeps on giving. An absolute gem I will look forward to reading, and re-reading, for many years.
I'm glad to hear people are appreciating this strip as much as I am. It's my favourite current story (though I can't wait to see how hope for the future pans out).
I must be honest, in the last few years i haven't been as prog-obsessed as i used to be; losing track of storylines, skipping the odd story, that kind of thing. Maybe I'm just getting old.
But i love Deadworld. As a Deadworld origin story I'd have to say I'm far more fond of it than I was of Young Death. It's amazing that a writer could breathe so much new, er, life into characters that John Wagner seemed to have pushed about as far as they could go.
It's about the bleakest thing ever published in 2000AD, which is no mean feat.
And, as Bolt says, is a perfect fit for Dave Kendall's art.
The whole thing has a tone that reminds me a lot of John Carpenter's so-called 'Apocalypse Trilogy' - The Thing, They Live and Prince of Darkness, crackers all.
In short, my thoughts are that I like it a lot, but I wouldn't want to go there on holiday.
Wasnt Fuego Judge Fire?Because Fuego means Fire and all that...
I really like it, the work that Dave puts into the concept art is astonishing, worthy of a book by itself.
Nothing to add except, what other people have said.
Nice theory Dandontdare, I won't be able to read future episodes without wondering...
We saw Fear in the first run of Deadworld though, interrogating some poor sod in the most hideous of ways.
Quote from: AlexF on 30 March, 2017, 09:56:18 AM
It's about the bleakest thing ever published in 2000AD, which is no mean feat.
I would say that the also-excellent
Cradlegrave tips it there.
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 30 March, 2017, 11:50:24 AM
We saw Fear in the first run of Deadworld though, interrogating some poor sod in the most hideous of ways.
Well there goes that theory!
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 30 March, 2017, 11:50:24 AM
We saw Fear in the first run of Deadworld though, interrogating some poor sod in the most hideous of ways.
My memory of it is a bit hazy, but wasn't that set
after all the current stuff was going on?
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Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 30 March, 2017, 11:50:24 AM
We saw Fear in the first run of Deadworld though, interrogating some poor sod in the most hideous of ways.
My memory of it is a bit hazy, but wasn't that set after all the current stuff was going on?
No, it was during the events of the communications collapse, when Fairfax realised Justice Dept wheren't going to send back up because the DJ's had taken over, Fear was seen amongst the Four usual suspects doing what he does.
I'm not surprised - I am absolutely terrible at guessing twists and plot developments (or anything really - I remember confidently predicting that text messaging and bottled water would never take off in this country!).
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 March, 2017, 11:44:05 AM
I'm not surprised - I am absolutely terrible at guessing twists and plot developments (or anything really - I remember confidently predicting that text messaging and bottled water would never take off in this country!).
HA! 2007ish me called the internet 'Just another of those internet fades, won't last'.
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Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 March, 2017, 11:44:05 AM
I'm not surprised - I am absolutely terrible at guessing twists and plot developments (or anything really - I remember confidently predicting that text messaging and bottled water would never take off in this country!).
HA! 2007ish me called the internet 'Just another of those internet fades, won't last'.
2007, the year I got my first PC.
Oddly enough,same here.Its actually still the same PC with some uppgrades.
Just remembered my other great prediction of which I was so certain - that being bought by a computer games company would lead to the demise of 2000ad as it became full of cynical game tie-ins and crappy fillers while they exploited the IP in opther areas. Never have I been happier to be proved 100% wrong!
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 31 March, 2017, 01:30:45 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 31 March, 2017, 11:44:05 AM
I'm not surprised - I am absolutely terrible at guessing twists and plot developments (or anything really - I remember confidently predicting that text messaging and bottled water would never take off in this country!).
HA! 2007ish me called the internet 'Just another of those internet fades, won't last'.
HA! even by my standards that's a good un. What I meant to say was FACEBOOK was just another Internet fade.
I'm such a dickwad!
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Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 31 March, 2017, 10:29:42 AM
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 30 March, 2017, 11:50:24 AM
We saw Fear in the first run of Deadworld though, interrogating some poor sod in the most hideous of ways.
My memory of it is a bit hazy, but wasn't that set after all the current stuff was going on?
No, it was during the events of the communications collapse, when Fairfax realised Justice Dept wheren't going to send back up because the DJ's had taken over, Fear was seen amongst the Four usual suspects doing what he does.
Ah. Fair enough
Quote from: Steve Green on 30 March, 2017, 11:23:07 AM
I really like it, the work that Dave puts into the concept art is astonishing, worthy of a book by itself.
I watched the Dave Kendall from the drawing board video today- very interesting. I would recommend checking it out for those interested in how the artists do their work.
So far it's been pretty bad ass, I missed the first bit though and have to back track.
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I asked for and received an excellent Fairfax sketch from Dave at the 40th:
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/923/9iwfj9.jpg)
I was a bit iffy about 'Dreams of Deadworld' when it first appeared because horror-for-horror's sake/Walking Dead-esque horror doesn't normally gel with me but next to 'Jaegir', 'Lawless' and 'The Order', 'The Fall of Deadworld' is one of the best things coming out of the House of Tharg at the moment.
Sure, I'm rooting for Fairfax and Jess to survive even though Kek-W agreed with me at the 40th that "[spoiler]it isn't going to end well, is it?[/spoiler]" but Dave (obliquely) noted as he was sketching that Fairfax is (kind of) [spoiler]Deadworld's version of Dredd[/spoiler] so the optimist in me hopes that Fairfax and Cassie [spoiler]manage to get their hands on the dimension-jumping technology that Death & the DJs used to reach Mega-City 1, which could tie 'Fall of Deadworld' into the original 'Judge Death' serial, and escape.[/spoiler] The realist however knows that's never going to happen. :'(
Quote from: Arkwright99 on 05 April, 2017, 04:52:56 PM
the optimist in me hopes that Fairfax and Cassie [spoiler]manage to get their hands on the dimension-jumping technology that Death & the DJs used to reach Mega-City 1, which could tie 'Fall of Deadworld' into the original 'Judge Death' serial, and escape.[/spoiler] The realist however knows that's never going to happen. :'(
I doubt this is likely - [spoiler]the DJs only acquired D-jumps long after they'd killed everyone on deadworld and were starting to get bored ruling an empty planet. I think this was a 'humorous' Meg one-off, but can't remember exactly.[/spoiler]
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Quote from: Arkwright99 on 05 April, 2017, 04:52:56 PM
the optimist in me hopes that Fairfax and Cassie The realist however knows that's never going to happen. :'(
I doubt this is likely -
SMF got rid of all the spoilered quoted stuff, so just assume this follows from the previous post, yes?
Yep, also the flesh under Judge Death's fingernails in his first appearance was said by forensics to be centuries old - unless that's a side effect of the dead fluids?
As an aside, if Fairfax is the Deadworld version of Dredd, does that mean that [spoiler]Cassie[/spoiler] is our [spoiler]Cassandra[/spoiler]?
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the optimist in me hopes that Fairfax and Cassie The realist however knows that's never going to happen. :'(
I doubt this is likely -
SMF got rid of all the spoilered quoted stuff, so just assume this follows from the previous post, yes?
Yep, also the flesh under Judge Death's fingernails in his first appearance was said by forensics to be centuries old - unless that's a side effect of the dead fluids?
As an aside, if Fairfax is the Deadworld version of Dredd, does that mean that [spoiler]Cassie[/spoiler] is our [spoiler]Cassandra[/spoiler]?
[spoiler]She's called Jess[/spoiler]
Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 April, 2017, 05:23:04 PM
Quote from: Arkwright99 on 05 April, 2017, 04:52:56 PM
the optimist in me hopes that Fairfax and Cassie [spoiler]manage to get their hands on the dimension-jumping technology that Death & the DJs used to reach Mega-City 1, which could tie 'Fall of Deadworld' into the original 'Judge Death' serial, and escape.[/spoiler] The realist however knows that's never going to happen. :'(
I doubt this is likely - [spoiler]the DJs only acquired D-jumps long after they'd killed everyone on deadworld and were starting to get bored ruling an empty planet. I think this was a 'humorous' Meg one-off, but can't remember exactly.[/spoiler]
Ian Gibson drawn story - Judge Death: the True Story Progs 901-902
Also, Deadworld sort of already has its own version of Anderson from her fever-dreams as experienced in Anderson, Psi: Half-Life. That functions really well as a pre-Fall of Deadworld scene-setter, giving a flavour of daily life in a world where Sindey De'ath can make it big. Not quite as grimy and apocalyptic as Dave Kendall, but Arthur Ranson sure makes it feel like a place not to live in!
Quote from: AlexF on 13 April, 2017, 11:53:59 AM
Also, Deadworld sort of already has its own version of Anderson from her fever-dreams as experienced in Anderson, Psi: Half-Life. That functions really well as a pre-Fall of Deadworld scene-setter, giving a flavour of daily life in a world where Sindey De'ath can make it big. Not quite as grimy and apocalyptic as Dave Kendall, but Arthur Ranson sure makes it feel like a place not to live in!
Those stories by Alan Grant and the late Tony Luke were pretty important for Kek and myself going into this. Ranson's amazing work definitely provided me with the visual direction I wanted to go. So, less mediaeval feel and nodding much more to our present era of architecture and tech. You are right, Alex. They provided a far darker view than Young Death. It seemed far more threatening. I'm glad people as a whole are enjoying this.
All three Deadworld series (so far) have been fantastic, often my top story in a given prog (and it has appeared in some particularly strong line-ups). In theory a Dark Judges prequel with painted art would be near the bottom of my 2000AD preferences, but from the superb Dreams... on you two gents have built on the original idea and created something unique and inspiredly horrible, just oozing corruption and despair. Keep it up!
I'm wondering if Fairfax actually becomes[spoiler] Judge Scourge? Who is the only Dark Judge we see wearing that style of helmet[/spoiler]
I've just finished re-reading Young Death in the Meg - and the way that the story fast-forwards the fall of deadworld proves that there are so many stories out there to be told in this sphere.
I like that it looks and reads different from the other Dredd-world stories and it's great trying to figure out the good guys from the bad and those we are to meet.
Great work by all concerned - the art is wonderful and a definite highlight in the progs over the last few years. Long may it continue...
:thumbsup:
Quote from: TordelBack on 14 April, 2017, 10:42:02 AM
All three Deadworld series (so far) have been fantastic, often my top story in a given prog (and it has appeared in some particularly strong line-ups). In theory a Dark Judges prequel with painted art would be near the bottom of my 2000AD preferences, but from the superb Dreams... on you two gents have built on the original idea and created something unique and inspiredly horrible, just oozing corruption and despair. Keep it up!
That they managed to make a totally expressionless, undynamic machine like a bike a full-blown character – with comedic chops – must be commended.
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 April, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
As an aside, if Fairfax is the Deadworld version of Dredd, does that mean that [spoiler]Cassie[/spoiler] is our [spoiler]Cassandra[/spoiler]?
[spoiler]She's called Jess[/spoiler]
Although I notice in Prog 2027 it's revealed (unless we knew this information and I missed it?) - that her mother was called [spoiler]Cassandra Childs[/spoiler].
I really like the current strip in 2000 AD. I was never a fan of Young Death and felt it removed the horror and mystery from the character. I also never quite understood why the uniforms – originally a direct play on MC-1 armour – were so wildly different. But this latest strip is great, and although it seems likely to barrel towards a horrible and bleak ending, who knows where it might go?
I'm really fascinated that the same basic setup that gave us Mrs. Gunderson's lodger Jay, Judge Death wearing alternately an old lady's pearls and a rubber chicken on his shoulder, and the Three Amigos, can also give us the opening sequence of this week's Cursed (Part 5): the displaced eyes in the skull, the decapitation, the relentless grinding horror of it all...
It's as if Dave and Nigel have noticed that the standout sequence with the Dark Judges in the past 30 years was the bit with Mortis chasing Giant's gang through the decaying ruins, and then wrote an entire series of just that, but on a global scale... and it's brilliant. Deadworld gives me actual nightmares, and individual pages make me physically recoil - that's quality comics right there.
Quote from: TordelBack on 19 April, 2017, 11:46:48 PM
It's as if Dave and Nigel have noticed that the standout sequence with the Dark Judges in the past 30 years was the bit with Mortis chasing Giant's gang through the decaying ruins
Gotta love Necropolis, great stuff.
I am really enjoying this strip too. The artwork is beautiful but unlike some painted art, it still reads really clearly which is fabulous. The characters are just brilliant. I love Fairfax's struggle against the drug regime he's previously been fed and the interaction he has with Jess. I also love it that the bike is a character too.
Another thing I am really enjoying is that I can't guess what's going to happen. That's different, I think, in 2000AD compared to other comics. In DC and Marvel the stories all seem like reworkings of the same stuff and, when I was reading their stuff, I was rarely surprised. But 2000AD is properly creative - the real thing. Best comic I've ever read.
I'm probably widely off the mark but I'm going to suggest that Fairfax is actually [spoiler]Judge Mortis[/spoiler]. The only reason I have is [spoiler]During the first series we see Mortis drinking his concoctions. I believe this is a follow on to the fact he is making his own medicine (at the moment) to keep him going.[/spoiler]
Perhaps not.
Cheers
Quote from: NapalmKev on 21 April, 2017, 09:38:33 AM
I'm probably widely off the mark but I'm going to suggest that Fairfax is actually [spoiler]Judge Mortis[/spoiler].
We've already seen that particular character in an earlier episode.
We've seen all of the originals I think? Which means that if he becomes a Dark Judge then he's one of the numerous ones (mostly unnamed) that we see Death kill off in the em.. Dreams of Deathworld (was that it's name) series?
Think that this series is set at least 40 years in the past (centuries if you stick to the original deathworld chronology) maybe [spoiler]Fairfax and some others get off Deathworld somehow or Death and the gang only *think* they've killed everyone off? [/spoiler]
Quote from: NapalmKev on 21 April, 2017, 09:38:33 AM
I'm probably widely off the mark but I'm going to suggest that Fairfax is actually [spoiler]Judge Mortis[/spoiler]. The only reason I have is [spoiler]During the first series we see Mortis drinking his concoctions. I believe this is a follow on to the fact he is making his own medicine (at the moment) to keep him going.[/spoiler]
Perhaps not.
Cheers
I've been thinking along the same lines.
I think we can dispense with any theories that Fairfax is ANY of the four stooges, they're all appeared at some point since the first instalment of Deadworld.
A sarcastic bike it seems is not a new thing....
(http://i.imgur.com/S1KZBKn.jpg)
Quote from: JudgeJudi on 21 April, 2017, 12:56:01 PM
We've seen all of the originals I think? Which means that if he becomes a Dark Judge then he's one of the numerous ones (mostly unnamed) that we see Death kill off in the em.. Dreams of Deathworld (was that it's name) series?
I'm glad you brought that story (or should it be stories) up. Has it/have they/ been reprinted in a collection somewhere yet? Dreams of Deadworld, that sounds right doesn't it? I think so.
Quote from: JudgeJudi on 23 April, 2017, 04:31:51 PM
A sarcastic bike it seems is not a new thing....
(http://i.imgur.com/S1KZBKn.jpg)
A classic.
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Quote from: JudgeJudi on 21 April, 2017, 12:56:01 PM
We've seen all of the originals I think? Which means that if he becomes a Dark Judge then he's one of the numerous ones (mostly unnamed) that we see Death kill off in the em.. Dreams of Deathworld (was that it's name) series?
I'm glad you brought that story (or should it be stories) up. Has it/have they/ been reprinted in a collection somewhere yet? Dreams of Deadworld, that sounds right doesn't it? I think so.
Zarjaz! I've just learned this series is to be reprinted in a hardback collected edition in Dec. 2017 (unfortunately, no cover preview available as yet): https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1781086036/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1493857158&sr=1-1&keywords=dark+judges (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1781086036/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1493857158&sr=1-1&keywords=dark+judges)
Prog 2029 seems to add weight to the hyopthesis that [spoiler]Fairfax[/spoiler] is connected to [spoiler]Judge Fear[/spoiler], even if it still seems unlikely that [spoiler]they're literally the same person[/spoiler].
Or they could just be trolling us.
Quote from: The Corinthian on 04 May, 2017, 10:09:20 AM
Prog 2029 seems to add weight to the hyopthesis that [spoiler]Fairfax[/spoiler] is connected to [spoiler]Judge Fear[/spoiler], even if it still seems unlikely that [spoiler]they're literally the same person[/spoiler].
Or they could just be trolling us.
Oh my goodness, my Progress 2029 hasn't been delivered yet - I can't wait to read this!
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This week's installment certainly clears up [spoiler]the nature of Fear's involvement in Fall of Deadworld,[/spoiler] and amazingly makes the most useless of the Foetid Four bowel-looseningly scary for the first time since that panel called his bluff. Never figured him for [spoiler]the gang's tech-head (I had Mortis down for that, but maybe he's the medic-equivalent instead), but it makes a lot of sense![/spoiler]
Quote from: JoFox2108 on 04 May, 2017, 10:43:56 AM
Oh my goodness, my Progress 2029 hasn't been delivered yet - I can't wait to read this!
This seems like a neophyte question, but I thought I'd read somewhere (or maybe I just assumed it somehow, I can't remember now) that "prog" was diminutive for "programme" (because Tharg channels the thrill-power to us mere earthlets through "script droids" and "art droids"). I used to wonder whether it was "progression" or "programme", but somehow I seem to have gotten the idea that it's the latter. Can someone confirm this one way or the other?
It's programme.
Quote from: I, Cosh on 04 May, 2017, 12:35:51 PM
It's programme.
yup:
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/anaconda888/prog_zps1eza8k9b.jpg)
Quote from: TordelBack on 04 May, 2017, 11:13:29 AM
This week's installment certainly clears up [spoiler]the nature of Fear's involvement in Fall of Deadworld,[/spoiler] and amazingly makes the most useless of the Foetid Four bowel-looseningly scary for the first time since that panel called his bluff. Never figured him for [spoiler]the gang's tech-head (I had Mortis down for that, but maybe he's the medic-equivalent instead), but it makes a lot of sense![/spoiler]
We're playing with the idea that he's the Gestapo aspect of the Dark Judges. Secret police, the torturer. I like the way Kek's seeing him as an idea or emotion rather than a physical effect like the other three. That could make him weaker or it could make him the bedrock of much that they do. After all Fear is the foundation for so many evil acts on our planet. Maybe he's the most easily defeated if you're steadfast or strong but even in those, maybe, he plants seeds of doubt. I don't know. Kek and I just like to muse on these things.
We hinted at his shrunken heads in episode one of cursed. A sister was prepping one.
Face it, you pair are just a twisted mockery of all that is good.
That's another brilliant re-interpretation of a pretty stale and (in-story) ineffective character. I've said it before, but you're breathing fresh unlife into these great Wagner/Grant/Bolland designs, and all squaxxdom should thank you for it.
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Quote from: TordelBack on 04 May, 2017, 11:13:29 AM
This week's installment certainly clears up [spoiler]the nature of Fear's involvement in Fall of Deadworld,[/spoiler] and amazingly makes the most useless of the Foetid Four bowel-looseningly scary for the first time since that panel called his bluff. Never figured him for [spoiler]the gang's tech-head (I had Mortis down for that, but maybe he's the medic-equivalent instead), but it makes a lot of sense![/spoiler]
We're playing with the idea that he's the Gestapo aspect of the Dark Judges. Secret police, the torturer. I like the way Kek's seeing him as an idea or emotion rather than a physical effect like the other three. That could make him weaker or it could make him the bedrock of much that they do. After all Fear is the foundation for so many evil acts on our planet. Maybe he's the most easily defeated if you're steadfast or strong but even in those, maybe, he plants seeds of doubt. I don't know. Kek and I just like to muse on these things.
We hinted at his shrunken heads in episode one of cursed. A sister was prepping one.
For me Dave, it's the best thing that's been in the prog in quite some time - fantastic work! Thanks.
Quote from: TordelBack on 04 May, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
Face it, you pair are just a twisted mockery of all that is good.
That's another brilliant re-interpretation of a pretty stale and (in-story) ineffective character. I've said it before, but you're breathing fresh unlife into these great Wagner/Grant/Bolland designs, and all squaxxdom should thank you for it.
What he said. With the exception of that Death story by Frazer Irving, I haven't really enjoyed much Dark Judge stuff since Necropolis. This is amazing though.
Being able to improve on a Wagner creation is no mean feat!
One thing I really like about 'Deadworld' is that it's gone into the mechanics of how Death and Chums wiped out their world's population, something that's either been elided or fumbled* in the past.
The bit with the Trump-a-like president in the latest prog (and the fact that "Amerika" is still a thing) makes me wonder if Sydney's coup isn't supposed to be the Deadworld equivalent to what Goodman does to President Booth in "our" MC-1.
* Fumbled in the case of 'Dead Reckoning', where the Deadworld Judges seem to be going door to door shooting people, which seems to be a very inefficient and laborious approach to planetary genocide (cf the spoof strip where Death is getting really tired of having to kill pot plants and flies one at a time and by hand).
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Quote from: I, Cosh on 04 May, 2017, 12:35:51 PM
It's programme.
yup:
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/anaconda888/prog_zps1eza8k9b.jpg)
I hadn't realized that was on the very first cover... was it also the last, before shortening it to "prog"?
Thanks, gentlebeings.
Very much looking forward to reading Deadworld, BTW.
Quote from: The Corinthian on 04 May, 2017, 02:32:03 PM
The bit with the Trump-a-like president in the latest prog (and the fact that "Amerika" is still a thing) makes me wonder if Sydney's coup isn't supposed to be the Deadworld equivalent to what Goodman does to President Booth in "our" MC-1.
I love the fact that this parallel world is so similar to ours (and Dredd's) - odd that the Spanish language exists there too (and what that drug dealer says would not make it into the prog if it were in English).
Most useless of the Foetid Four? Poor Judge Fear, he always gets a raw deal... he's always first to be defeated in the comics, but I still see him as equal to the others...
Love the Deadworld strips, I like the parallels between Dredd's world and Syd's place.
With the addition of the spanish speaking guy, it could mean that there are Deadworld sovs, brit-cit etc equivalents, rather than just a single medieval location.
Has this planet been named yet? Or have I missed it? Obviously it only becomes Deadworld when everyone dies.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 May, 2017, 09:41:50 PM
Has this planet been named yet? Or have I missed it? Obviously it only becomes Deadworld when everyone dies.
I wonder about that. We've avoided it so far.:)
That would require some thought. It would be up to John Wagner to name it I think.
As far as the Mediaeval architecture goes, I wanted to avoid that from a design point of view. I had a hankering to use Russian brutalist concrete architecture to depict the buildings etc. It was Arthur Ranson's work on Half Life that allowed me to use that idea without breaking canon. He'd updated the feel of Deadworld to Earths present era.
I think there could be scope to depict other regions of pre-dead Deadworld.
Quote from: Dave Kendall on 04 May, 2017, 10:14:56 PM
I think there could be scope to depict other regions of pre-dead Deadworld.
Bring it on!
You cant whack neo-brutalised poured concrete....red brick pah! Z
Mmmm, I think Grant and Ranson's Half Life stuff definitely revitalised the whole look and feel of Deadworld and its origins, and is my favourite of their Andersons, but it didn't really do anything for the DJs themselves. I don't know what it is, but there is something so completely convincing about the Kek'n'Kendall incarnation - even though it kicked off with full-on Moorcockian fantasy, it feels terribly real to me: like the best post-apoc horror, I keep visualising my own family caught up in the accelerating catastrophe. After nearly 40 years I can finally see how we get from our real world to the plaza of bones in Judge Death Lives, and it's as disturbing as anything I've read.
Incidentally, overwhelmingly appallng imagery aside, the cleverest thing so far is the Judge Child echo. That's just inspired.
Quote from: Dave Kendall on 04 May, 2017, 10:14:56 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 May, 2017, 09:41:50 PM
Has this planet been named yet? Or have I missed it? Obviously it only becomes Deadworld when everyone dies.
I wonder about that. We've avoided it so far.:)
I figured it was Earth, just in a parallel universe. Interesting to see the similar names of the president too, Boothe (Dreddworld) Boone (Deathworld).
And yeah, I'm really enjoying this! The fabric face-gear that this earlier incarnation of Judge Fear wears, akin more to two flaps on a tent rather than the gates of a medieval castle is particularly creepy. Like his face is less... hidden somehow with just a thin layer of fabric and a bit of string separating it from us. Brrr.
Don't get me wrong, I love the later iconic design, but this really works too on a fundamental bone-chilling level.
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Has this planet been named yet? Or have I missed it? Obviously it only becomes Deadworld when everyone dies.
I wonder about that. We've avoided it so far.:)
I figured it was Earth, just in a parallel universe. Interesting to see the similar names of the president too, Boothe (Dreddworld) Boone (Deathworld).
Perhaps what we need is an
Official Handbook of the 2000 AD Multiverse.
Quote from: Dave Kendall on 04 May, 2017, 10:14:56 PM
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Has this planet been named yet? Or have I missed it? Obviously it only becomes Deadworld when everyone dies.
I wonder about that. We've avoided it so far.:)
I name it
D'earth.
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Quote from: Dave Kendall on 04 May, 2017, 10:14:56 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 May, 2017, 09:41:50 PM
Has this planet been named yet? Or have I missed it? Obviously it only becomes Deadworld when everyone dies.
I wonder about that. We've avoided it so far.:)
I name it D'earth.
That's why you need a D-belt. It was interesting to read the Strontium Dog story ("Journey to Hell") about the inventor of D-jump technology, who wound up creating his own artificially-contructed reality in another dimension resembling Hell (and also somewhat resembling the dimensional homeworld of the Dark Judges).
I reckon Fairfax is the chap in the statue in Death Lives, ie the last person killed on Deadworld
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 05 May, 2017, 08:07:12 AM
I reckon Fairfax is the chap in the statue in Death Lives, ie the last person killed on Deadworld
Give that man a coconut. Great idea, although I always figured that was the sculptor.
How can you have a thread about something that does exist? :-X
'Of course he exists '
'but does he exist like your and me?'
'you do not exist.'
Z
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It's programme.
yup:
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd359/anaconda888/prog_zps1eza8k9b.jpg)
I hadn't realized that was on the very first cover... was it also the last, before shortening it to "prog"?
It was changed from programme to prog on the cover with prog 13 (https://sheridanwilde.wordpress.com/2015/09/27/2000ad-prog-13-from-out-of-my-alien-head-i-tharg-bring-you-the-future/).