There's been speculation about a Hachette 2000 AD book collection extension. The Marvel collection rumbles on with no end in sight. Dredd, though, only got a ten-book continuation. Marvel's well is deeper than Dredd's, and I suspect commercial viability played a part. But assuming the latter works for 2000 AD as well, there are loads of strips that haven't yet been collected.
So if Hachette were to extend the series, which ONE book (in the ~200–250-page range) would you like to see? And it'd be great if in this thread, people didn't repeat anything that's been included previously.
Mine, unsurprisingly, is: Firekind/Leatherjack
Firekind remains one of the all-time 2000 AD classics, and it deserves a hardback collection. Leatherjack is also pretty great, and by the same team of Smith/Marshall. In all, there's 194p of strip, according to Barney, and so it should be possible to squeeze into one book. (Frankly, I'd love to see more Smith, but this above all others.)
a complete finn collection
Aw, you really want just one? OK - I'll plug for Indigo Prime as the original Killing Time collection is OOP at the thargshop. If they added one or two strips from the second collection they could round the book out nicely.
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I also thought they could do a book of the non-Dredd 8-issue Summer Offensive strips but I don't think anyone really wants that!
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Big Dave
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 23 January, 2019, 02:45:30 PM
Big Dave
See! I bet sandwiched in with Really & Truly, Slaughterbowl & Maniac 5 it would totally be a slice of the time without forcing the issue.
I suspect the creator-owned aspect of Big Dave would be a can of worms enough, without even getting to the actual content...
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 23 January, 2019, 02:45:30 PM
Big Dave
Is this for the worse strips printed ever collection ?
Quote from: Tomwe on 23 January, 2019, 02:41:42 PM
Aw, you really want just one? OK - I'll plug for Indigo Prime as the original Killing Time collection is OOP at the thargshop.
THIS. Really disappointed to discover there was no IP planned for the the collection.
Unlikely, I know, but if there is an extension (and I'm against it personally) then it'd be good to know what's going to be in it in advance and how many books it'll be so we can decide whether or not to participate.
Quote from: moldovangerbil on 23 January, 2019, 03:41:01 PM
Unlikely, I know, but if there is an extension (and I'm against it personally)
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Luke Kirby, Zenith, Mean Arena, Harry 20 on the High Rock, Flesh, Shako. (Sorry just noticed it was only ONE book but I'd love any/ all of these to make an appearance although many are being viewed through the rose tinted glasses of a young reader)
I'm a returning reader pulled back in via the Ultimate Collection so a lot of the stuff mentioned above new to me, but to date loved the "newer" stuff in the UC so far. Really just want more as loving the collection so far so an extension of similar quality works for me.
If I can be greedy, Harry 20, mean arena and the dead
It'd be good to get a volume of Absalom, picking up where the Caballistics, Inc volumes leave off. One volume would probably be big enough to collect the lot and still have space for the recent Caballistics, Inc conclusion and the upcoming Absalom finale.
Zenith was the thing I was most disappointed to discover wasn't going to be in the intial run. It was one of the series that I knew by reputation prior to picking up the collection and had hoped to tick off my to-read list.
Failing that I'd be very happy to see a 3rd volume of Kingdom bringing that right up to date.
All of John Smiths work in a volume or two. Fire kind (in sequence).
Ampney Crucis Investigates,
Maybe then we'll finally get the whole thing in print.
Kingdom Volume 3 seems wise.
Mambo! Or Mazeworld...
VCs
the collected works of john smith....also canon fodder like that'll happen :lol:
Revere and Cradlegrave. The Dredd collection recognised John Smith, the least the Tooth collection can do is the same.
Defoe complete collection ( defoe needs more love).
Button man
Mazeworld ( though it just had a new edition)
stainless steel rat ( heard this was good)
the red seas ( also heard this was good)
zenith
Since "one book" is out the window I'd also like to see the aforementioned Firekind, along with The War Machine, Defoe, Scarlet Traces. Actually I'd love to read the Steve Pugh Strontium Dogs series again too as well as the Gronk stories by Nigel Dobbin. Flesh! Revere! There's many options. I already own Zenith in HC but it would be the obvious choice to include as would Button Man although that has ownership issues perhaps?
Yeah I'd love to see Canon Fodder between hard covers.
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 23 January, 2019, 10:44:50 PM
Ampney Crucis Investigates,
Maybe then we'll finally get the whole thing in print.
That's issue 68 of the initial run.
Jaegir
(Incidentally, the idea behind 'one book' was about focus, but also a specific book that would be possible to publish. So Firekind/Leatherjack's page count fits within one volume. Many series are far too short for a single volume, and others would require multiple books, therefore meaning they must either be abbreviated or take up several slots.)
Defoe for me. It's a cracking modern series stuffed chock full of worldbuilding, historical research and a ton of distinctive characters. The Leigh Gallagher run would fit nicely into two Hachette volumes, and there might even be enough material for a third by the time of any possible extension.
And because everyone else has already broken the rule, I'll choose another - Atavar. An easy sell to anyone who loves Kingdom, it's a focused and concise series with the same creative team throughout, the whole trilogy would fit in a single volume and it's never actually had a complete collection...!
Would all of Brink to date fill a volume?
The recent run in the Prog has been superb and I'd love to have that and the preceding stories in a nice hardback.
I would have thought so. They've published two trades to date, not including the current lengthy run.
Brink currently exists in two 96-page volumes. Strip-wide, Barney reckons the first and second series, respectively, had 75 and 90 pages. How many are in the third? If it's much more than 80 then it's unlikely that'd all squeeze into one trade (but it'd be a bit short for two, and have to be hacked in half – although that's seemingly par for the course in this collection anyway).
EDIT: looks like it's 96 so far. I wonder how many parts are left? Diamond solicits put the finale as somewhere in 2117–2120. So that means 106p by 2116, assuming no double episodes (and there may well have been), and ending on anything from 112–130.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2019, 12:28:07 PM
Strip-wide, Barney reckons the first and second series, respectively, had 75 and 90 pages. How many are in the third?
80 pages as of episode 16 this week.
How much is there of Jaegir? If it's too small for a book they could pair it up with the 86ers. I've already got the latter in paperback but I wouldn't be averse to a hardback and know someone I could pass the paperback onto.
I'm surprised no one has suggested Dan Dare but it's not been that long since the trades came out. I'm not a massive fan of the 2000ad incarnation, preferring the original, some of the New Eagles and the Dynamite Comics version.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2019, 10:12:34 AM
(Incidentally, the idea behind 'one book' was about focus, but also a specific book that would be possible to publish. So Firekind/Leatherjack's page count fits within one volume. Many series are far too short for a single volume, and others would require multiple books, therefore meaning they must either be abbreviated or take up several slots.)
I get that - I've been trying to be realistic about it. (below figures according to Barney)
- Jaegir is a good page count for one book presently.
- War Machine / Friday would be multiple books and the latter quality is considered low but I still want to see the Gibbons/Simpson stuff at least and of course that was followed by the late Ron Smith.
- Defoe would be two books. A good choice and Uncle Pat always seems to deliver a story at around 60 pages.
- One book would cover the Steve Pugh/Nigel Dobbin Strontium Dogs.
- The Rebellion Flesh book is listed as 272 pages so that could work well.
- Revere needs twinning with something.
- Button Man would be the first three books (the Arthur Ranson stories).
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 24 January, 2019, 09:39:04 AM
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 23 January, 2019, 10:44:50 PM
Ampney Crucis Investigates,
Maybe then we'll finally get the whole thing in print.
That's issue 68 of the initial run.
Ooh, really? If it covers everything (thus far), I'll be very happy and will finally shut up about it..! 😁
Quote from: Jade Falcon on 24 January, 2019, 12:56:04 PMI'm surprised no one has suggested Dan Dare but it's not been that long since the trades came out.
Exactly, and those were lush hardback volumes. Moreover, I suspect there are rights issues aplenty with that one.
Quote from: Tomwe on 24 January, 2019, 12:58:59 PM- War Machine / Friday would be multiple books and the latter quality is considered low but I still want to see the Gibbons/Simpson stuff at least and of course that was followed by the late Ron Smith.
Most of the Fr1day run was risible. I wouldn't be against War Machine and some choice cuts, but one book at the most.
Button Man: rights issues. See also: Mazeworld and Big Dave.
I might be in the minority but Vector 13 would make a nice collection...
Finn certainly!
Amen to Canon Fodder
(You can tell I joined the prog in the 90s can't you!?)
The thing that's really put me off this run is the sheer number of volumes for individual series. I couldn't care less for Slaine, some of Strontium Dog, same goes for ABC Warriors, Rogue etc. I think it's much more exciting when we get shorter single books or 1-2 volumes of other stuff.
Matt
I suppose it depends which strips you like. Strontium Dog for me has the quality to make a complete (well –ish – we're missing the Starlord strips) run a very good thing indeed. Sláine – it wouldn't have bothered me had it jumped right from Horned God to Books of Invasions. I imagine other 2000 AD readers would pretty much flip that. At least we get a full run of Nikolai Dante in hardback.
I've never been a Slaine fan and would happily have done with less. Dante I wasn't sure about as I had never read it but am enjoying it. I've been enjoying ABC Warriors, the only content id read before was the original Volgan War and early Mars stories.
I'd like to see more Savage than was in the trades as the Wiki summary seems to indicate quite a bit beyond The Guv'nor.
I can't see the alleged problem with Button Man, it's been reprinted before. You just have to pay the creators, which Tharg also does for the creators of works he owns.
I'm not a Dan Dare fan, but if there was a Massimo Bellardinelli volume containing The Dead then it could be padded out to the requisite length with the first Dan Dare story from progs 1-11 and some early Slaine.
I echo the calls for Firekind and Leatherjack; if there's room it could also include Judge Dredd: Darkside by the same creators.
Is Leviathan in this series yet? That. Past Imperfect and Pulp Sci-Fi? Those.
There could be a Will Simpson volume with War Machine and Tyranny Rex and his Venus Bluegenes one-off, and some Dredds (if they're not already in the Dredd series).
And I know it won't happen, but I'll say it anyway: Shadows (progs 672-681).
Early Slaine is already in the series. They have a no duplication policy.
With the greatest respect to all of the other writers and artists in the Friday Rogue Trooper, in my opinion only the Gibbons/Simpson story has real merit. Z
Pat Mills twitter mention hearing something about world war three from rebellion.
so hopefully that mean we get a finn collection since he started there
Quote from: rs_jr on 25 January, 2019, 12:33:36 AM
Pat Mills twitter mention hearing something about world war three from rebellion.
so hopefully that mean we get a finn collection since he started there
Third World War appears to be a strip that ran in Crisis so I doubt that will run in this collection, but since it seems to have run in every issue of that mag I would have guessed page count 250-400 ish, a good size for a 'complete' collection from Rebellion. Was Finn supposed to run in Crisis too? I suddenly remember there being boarders around the art to make up the difference in page shape.
We really are missing some good quality John Smith collections. Proper trade collections of Firekind, Slaughterbowl, Revere and Tyranny Rex would be awesome, as would a collection of New Statesmen. A reprint of Leatherjack would be great too. I'd also love to see the trade collection of Savage catch up to the current stories.
Maybe I was just spoiled by the recent years when Rebellion was regularly releasing new trades from the archive, but it does make me a bit sad that material I thought would inevitably be collected now looks likely to just remain in the past. I take it they've just got a tonne of their resources dedicated to keeping the Case Files in print.
Quote from: credo on 25 January, 2019, 11:16:51 AM
I take it they've just got a tonne of their resources dedicated to keeping the Case Files in print.
That and the addition of the Treasury Of British Comics archive too.
Quote from: Tomwe on 25 January, 2019, 09:49:13 AMThird World War
I couldn't get through that when I tried a sanity-check re-read a while back, which in the end resulted in me selling my complete Crisis collection. It'll be interesting to see how it'd fare in trade. As for Finn, I don't recall that ever being a Crisis thing. The link between it and TWW is tenuous at best. (Honestly, I never really got the love for Finn. He always struck me as a second-rate Sláine with a David Icke conspiracy theory overlay, and with some... variable art.)
Quote from: credo on 25 January, 2019, 11:16:51 AMWe really are missing some good quality John Smith collections.
I do find his omission from the 2000 AD collection baffling. Sure, his work can be divisive, but you'd have thought there would be space for one book.
Quoteit does make me a bit sad that material I thought would inevitably be collected now looks likely to just remain in the past. I take it they've just got a tonne of their resources dedicated to keeping the Case Files in print.
Releases must be commercially viable. You can take from series that aren't out there fully, or that abruptly end that they just aren't. And there are only so many 'slots' per year, and only so much internal resource. Rebellion does a lot with its new Treasury line in addition to a frankly diminishing amount of top-tier 2000 AD to fill said slots.
That isn't me suggesting the Prog's gone down the toilet, note, but that 2000 AD's schedule was for years burning rapidly through a ton of classic thrills, and now it's at the point where Rebellion is either waiting for strips to finish their runs in the comic, to compile them for trade, or dipping into what's arguably second-tier content. Add to that commercial viability concerns, and widespread appeal. There's a reason we've never had, say, a Tyranny Rex trade. In the Hachette collection, though, I suspect you could justify more esoteric stuff, not least when you're at the point where it's mostly subscription-based. As long as the other item that month was more popular (say, a solid run of new Dredd), taking a chance with the other book could be a thing.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2019, 11:45:39 AM
As for Finn, I don't recall that ever being a Crisis thing.
The Liam Sharp strip, apparently called 'origins of finn' now I look. Perhaps that was created first...?
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Origins of Finn 4 episodes (Progs 924 to 927) 27 pages
Script: Pat Mills, Artist: Liam McCormack-Sharp
Originally created for Crisis
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- Mean Arena
- Red Seas
- Black Hawk
Leviathan
Invasion
Return to Armageddon
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(Not going to get into page-count debates - just like the sound of those)
Would a Dredd book collecting the recent stories leading up to The Small House be viable?
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Given the skinny and pricey covers volumes, I'd be surprised to see a separate volume with covers.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2019, 06:24:04 PM
QuoteCovers Gallery
Given the skinny and pricey covers volumes, I'd be surprised to see a separate volume with covers.
I'm not a subscriber :) And admit it won't happen...
A happy cherry-picker who now thinks a covers collection sounds good!
QuoteAs for Finn, I don't recall that ever being a Crisis thing. The link between it and TWW is tenuous at best.
The very opening series of Third World War includes a character named Paul in the line-up of young, dumb and self-righteous soldiers on a 'peace-keeping' mission. Pretty sure this is very explicitly a young version of the Paul who would return from soldiering to take up being a cabbie in Plymouth in the pages of Finn. I believe he grows more and more Finn-like as TWW progresses, although I've only read about half of it.
Book III of Finn also re-introduces Eve and the ultra-tory blonde girl from that original run of TWW, which may be another reason why that series hasn't been reprinted (yet)?
On the subject of John Smith collections, it'd be a right effort to put it together, but the dream is to find a chronological collection including basically all of his early stuff, which (apart from Future Shocks), is all tied in to Indigo Prime in various ways, and sets up that agency more clearly!
I'm talking the original 'Void Indiga' Future Shock, but then
all of Tyranny Rex, including especially the Specials/Annuals episodes (I guess you could do without the Redux series), not forgetting Fervent & Lobe and Almaranda. Maybe throw in Danzig's Inferno for good measure. And of course the actual Indigo Prime episodes. Call it 'John Smith: the making sense at last collection'.
Just sayin'.
Yeah, I recall Paul being in TWW, but it feels no stronger a connection/crossover than Mills connecting the threads between Nemesis, Flesh and Dredd. It's perhaps a nice-to-have for fans of both, but the strips to me felt like they existed in different universes.
And, yeah, a 'complete Smith' would be wonderful, but I'll take what I can get. For me, Firekind is the prize. I have Indigo Prime and Cradlegrave in paperback. I'd love Firekind to finally get collected in a manner the trip deserves. (That Extreme Edition was nice, but Firekind deserves better. Perhaps I should just get a copy bound into a hardback...)
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 28 January, 2019, 09:18:34 AM
I'd love Firekind to finally get collected in a manner the trip deserves.
We'll allow it.
As a cherry-picker I would be all over a Firekind / Smith collection.
Big Dave (and Young Dave) would be also very welcome, but I know it ain't gonna happen.
Complete collections for the irreverent Bix Barton and entertaining Armoured Gideon get the nod from me.
Honestly, I'd hate to see Big Dave collected. I abhorred this at the time. I re-read a little recently, and my mind wasn't changed. It's trying to be satire, but just isn't, and comes across like the things it's trying to parody. Given Millar's other writing (especially around the time), it probably shouldn't be a surprise that it's a misogynistic and homophobic mess. Fortunately – from my point of view – rights issues mean it's unlikely to be collected again by Rebellion or as part of this collection.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 29 January, 2019, 09:11:11 AM
comes across like the things it's trying to parody
This.
Like so much bad 90s satire. It's not ironic, it's just not very good.
Luke Kirby.
On Luke Kirby, anyone who doesn't have it should remember a lovely hardback is available right now (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB625A).
its a lovely one looks great next to my 4 volumes of zenith