OK I thought this would be a cool thread. Sorry if its been done. I was thinking this last night.
We've all heard the word that the blu-ray/DVD sales of Dredd have got the powers that be thinking there may be an audience for a sequel and it might be worth doing. Of course, even this alone is great news. So the big question is, what would we like to see in it? You never know... the filmmakers may look at this forum for ideas - stranger things have happened.
Anyway, I'll kick off this convo about what I want to see. Must warn you though, you may find some of my ideas a bit controversial...
Like this for instance: I don't EVER want to see Judge Death or the Dark Judges at any time in these movies. Why? Because one of the great things about Dredd (for me) was it scaled back the world of Mega City One and made it believable. I loved how the film depicted the city and the world, and the fact that it was a lot less futuristic for me, created a better atmosphere. I LOVED the way it was done. I'd like that more realistic tone to be continued in sequels, and I personally think that all of a sudden introducing undead villains from another dimension would take something away from that.
Of course, I could be wrong. This is only my opinion after all. I just think that sometimes doing something the please the fans can actually hurt a movie and I offer Spider-Man 3 as an example. Seriously, how badly did they fuck up Venom? And I ain't even a Marvel fan and I'm saying that!
I also think they should avoid using Rico as a heavy. As much as we all hate the Stallone Judge Dredd film - Danny Cannon was a huge fan and that was HIS approach. Whilst most of us I'm sure would prefer that movie never happened, I think it would be disrespectful to the vision of those filmmakers to try and redo something they've already done - whether it was successful or not. That also means no Angel Family, no ABC robots, and no bullshit about Dredd being stripped of his rank or anything like that.
I would say NO Cursed Earth either - but I think that's something that cannot really be ignored and will need to be looked at in any further installments. I just think they've got to do it in such a way that it in NO WAY reminds audiences of the 95 film. And that, I think IS possible.
What I personally WOULD like to see is a story set pretty much entirely on the streets of Mega City One. Maybe a film set the next day after Dredd where he's told to take Anderson onto the streets to continue with her training. I'd like to see a story which takes SOME cues from The Day The Law Died, and maybe Dredd and Anderson have to stop some sort of revolution/coup - with Dredd actually siding with the people of MC1 to restore order and justice to a city and a system which has become corrupt. Of course, you're in tricky territory cause some of that stuff was used in the 95 movie - so some careful picking and choosing would have to be done. But I think a story that ends with Dredd, some other Judges, and some deputized citizens storming the Hall Of Justice to essentially dethrone a mad ruler could really be something to see!
Anyway, that's my two cents. What about you guys?
Quote from: ChickenStu on 25 June, 2013, 11:27:30 PM
I just think they've got to do it in such a way that it in NO WAY reminds audiences of the 95 film.
But I think a story that ends with Dredd, some other Judges, and some deputized citizens storming the Hall Of Justice to essentially dethrone a mad ruler could really be something to see!
That was essentially the story/ending in the original draft of William Wisher's 1993 screenplay.
At some point you just have to leave the '95 film behind and forget about it. It shouldn't force them to creatively dis-band certain ideas just because the '95 film did them wrong.
I'd personally like to see the sequel deal with Democracy Now / Total War.
A real Political Action Thriller.
Something set in the Cursed Earth or the Undercity.
No Judge Death. Seriously: He scared the shit out of me when I was 12, but I don't want to see him in a film.
Quote from: Mr 9.8 on 26 June, 2013, 12:11:47 AM
I'd personally like to see the sequel deal with Democracy Now / Total War.
A real Political Action Thriller.
Captain America: Winter Soldier doing that now.
A murder of a senior judge by someone or something. Anderson features, but only enough to suggest that the perp escaped out into the Cursed Earth where Dredd and possibly even Hershey and a couple of other judges go out to find him/her. Something simple along those lines. The city and the surroundings need to be brought to life and fleshed out as Dredd was in the first.
If a sequel were to be made, I'd like to see a wider focus. More Judges, more of the Mega City's particular afflictions... you could easily spin another movie just out f 24 hours on patrol with Ol' Stoney Face.
More action across the city. Maybe bring Chopper into the mix then spin him out into his own tie-in film so we can have a Skysurf competition through MC1.
I agree that keeping it grounded is probably best, so no Judge Death.
If a sequel ever gets made, I reckon they should follow current trends and "Nolanize" it. This would involve avoiding using the name "Judge Dredd" or "Dredd" in the title and instead giving him a mysterious, profound-sounding moniker like "The Helmeted One". Then they could have Dredd spend half the film whining about how his leg hurts.
I've said it before, but a hypothetical sequel should open in a very similar way to the first film, but with Chopper giving the voiceover instead of Dredd.
We get a montage of Chopper suiting up to go out on a tagging run, readying his powerboard etc interspersed with a montage of judges attacking protestors and using excessive force, playing over it is a reworked 'Mega City One' theme, and Chopper's v/o mirrors Dredd's in the first film, but tells up the flipside of the Judicial system, setting the scene for a tale about the death of democracy and the history of Justice Department.
Then cut to another awesome scene of Dredd chasing criminals!
Quote from: radiator on 26 June, 2013, 09:01:04 AM
I've said it before, but a hypothetical sequel should open in a very similar way to the first film, but with Chopper giving the voiceover instead of Dredd.
We get a montage of Chopper suiting up to go out on a tagging run, readying his powerboard etc interspersed with a montage of judges attacking protestors and using excessive force, playing over it is a reworked 'Mega City One' theme, and Chopper's v/o mirrors Dredd's in the first film, but tells up the flipside of the Judicial system, setting the scene for a tale about the death of democracy and the history of Justice Department.
Then cut to another awesome scene of Dredd chasing criminals!
Damn, that sounds great! I like the idea of it replicating the symmetry of the voiceovers in DREDD.
QuoteMore action across the city. Maybe bring Chopper into the mix then spin him out into his own tie-in film so we can have a Skysurf competition through MC1.
Garland mentioned that film 2 would have dealt with the democracy storyline, combined with elements of Origins and The Cursed Earth, and that Chopper would have featured as a character.
My guess is that they would have played up the rebellious aspects of Chopper - him becoming a symbol of resistance to the population (and the pro-democratic movement), rather than the Supersurf side of things (though that could have been alluded to). I imagine they'd have portrayed him as a Banksy-like figure, but on a much, much bigger scale, pulling off the kind of stunts we see him doing in 'Unamerican Graffiti'.
I was skeptical at first, but I'd have been interested to see what they'd have done with Judge Death.
I once said in a similar thread that I would combine the stories of The Day the Law Died and Judge Death for a new spin on the character, and Garland seemed to hint that that was along the lines he was thinking when he mentioned the prospective sequels.
Wow, I thought I'd get flamed for saying I didn't want to see Judge Death! Pleasantly surprised that others seem to agree. If there was direct to DVD animated adventures like the DC/Warner Premiere ones - then I'd love to see Death in one of those... I just can't see him working in the world that the Dredd movie set up.
I could be wrong. Maybe Garland's got this one nailed and I don't know it yet.
I think Death could work in the tone they've established, so long as they play him totally straight - vicious, scary. They could go in a few different directions with it - they don't necessarily have to go with the 'alien superfiend from another dimension' angle - ideas suggested on this board have included reimagining him as a mutant or warlord from the Cursed Earth, a rogue Psi judge or a corrupt, genocidal Chief Judge in the vein of Cal... And I'll pre-empt the usual "it has to be exactly like it is in the comics or why bother?" brigade by saying the Dark Judges' backstory has always been weak in the comics and almost anything else would be an improvement.
I know it's not a popular bit of the film but I like what they did with Pinbacker in the film Sunshine. Something similar to that could work - quite trippy, with some sort of interesting visual effect. It could have been very cool indeed.
And Judge Death makes infinitely more sense to do as a film than The Apocalypse War, which is entirely unsuitable for a multitude of reasons.
Quoteideas suggested on this board have included reimagining him as a mutant or warlord from the Cursed Earth, a rogue Psi judge or a corrupt, genocidal Chief Judge in the vein of Cal...
Or of course do a Joker, and just flat out refuse to explain who he is or where he came from, and just have characters in the film speculating.
Quote from: radiator on 26 June, 2013, 12:32:06 PMOr of course do a Joker, and just flat out refuse to explain who he is or where he came from, and just have characters in the film speculating.
Hmmm. You know, that could probably work!
Quote from: radiator on 26 June, 2013, 09:01:04 AM
I've said it before, but a hypothetical sequel should open in a very similar way to the first film, but with Chopper giving the voiceover instead of Dredd.
We get a montage of Chopper suiting up to go out on a tagging run, readying his powerboard etc interspersed with a montage of judges attacking protestors and using excessive force, playing over it is a reworked 'Mega City One' theme, and Chopper's v/o mirrors Dredd's in the first film, but tells up the flipside of the Judicial system, setting the scene for a tale about the death of democracy and the history of Justice Department.
That's a great visual idea; the only problem I can see from the perspective of his character is that it might give the impression that Chopper is an overtly political figure rather than the individualist urban folk-hero looking to make his mark, rise above the humdrum and be 'somebody'. Chopper would be doing the same if he was in a democracy. He's the outsider looking to beat the system, any system. The Bennet Beeny/America Jara combo or Blondel Dupre are more the cyphers of the opposing force representing the city's history, and the struggle.
Quote from: ChickenStu on 26 June, 2013, 01:29:43 PM
Quote from: radiator on 26 June, 2013, 12:32:06 PMOr of course do a Joker, and just flat out refuse to explain who he is or where he came from, and just have characters in the film speculating.
Hmmm. You know, that could probably work!
It might work for one character but introduce three more outlandish superfiends and it begins to collapse under the weight of its own
suspension of disbelief. John Carpenter worked an explanation of eternal evil via quantum physics in
Prince of Darkness and managed to keep a straight-face. Would it be that much harder for DREDD?
Totally depends. Agree that would only work with Death - more problematic if there were four of them, unless the other three were just his human lackeys or something.
The other way the Dark Judges could work in a more realistic manner would be similar to how Scarecrow was portrayed in Batman Begins - they intimidate their victims with a derivative of the 'Slo-mo' drug.
Again, Alex did hint at how he would tackle the character and seemed to imply that he would perhaps begin as a normal judge, but his appearance would become more and more warped as the film went on, which would have been interesting to see.
Regarding the Chopper thing, again it depends on how they chose to portray the character - I assumed from how Alex described it that Chopper would have been a key figure to the pro-democracy storyline. Or he could just be a cameo role - a minor criminal and voice of the oppressed citizens who could bookend the film. Either way, it would have been interesting to open up the ambiguity of the judicial system we got a glimpse of in film 1 and turn Dredd's monologue about how the judges were 'the only thing fighting for order in the chaos' on it's head. Tip the audience off from the word go that this wasn't just going to be more of the same.
A job?
Quote from: radiator on 26 June, 2013, 01:58:49 PM
Regarding the Chopper thing, again it depends on how they chose to portray the character - I assumed from how Alex described it that Chopper would have been a key figure to the pro-democracy storyline. Or he could just be a cameo role - a minor criminal and voice of the oppressed citizens who could bookend the film. Either way, it would have been interesting to open up the ambiguity of the judicial system we got a glimpse of in film 1 and turn Dredd's monologue about how the judges were 'the only thing fighting for order in the chaos' on it's head. Tip the audience off from the word go that this wasn't just going to be more of the same.
The Beeny/Jara & Dredd monolgues in
America pretty much represent that interplay and could be adapted in a similar way, as could the kid's questioning missive in
A letter to Judge Dredd which would also be an interesting option to open a film about a state-enforcer.
One of the great things about DREDD is that they stayed faithful to the characters and what they represent. Chopper and the Total War movement all stand for specific things that could be included without a change of character; they are all subversive in different ways and could be featured in a film employing that thematic. If there all ready exists a set of characters who serve a certain purpose, there's no real need to use Chopper for another. The most interesting thing about Chopper is his indifference and that he's no one's fool but his own. He's the epitome of an important aspect of Meg-life because he manages to escape it for a while.
I'd like to see a sequel that completely disregards anything anyone on here has to say about anything unless it seems like a good idea to whomever happens to write the script for it.
And undead supernatural alien beasties from another dimension that kill people a lot. It needs some of those.
I've said this somewhere before but I thought Judge Lex could have survived from the first film horrifically disfigured as half his face was blown away and his mind warped into a hatred of all things living due to said incident goes on a killing spree in mega city one gaining the name Judge Death,this being a more realistic approach to the character. Thought Langley Kirkwood was an excellent evil character well acted should have had more screen time.
Resyk. From the figurative meat-grinder mentioned by Lex to an actual one.
I don't think it was ever done in the comic, but I thought Death corrupting the judges Necropolis-style and having them marching the citizens en-masse at gunpoint straight to Resyk would be pretty horrific.
Quote from: Steve Green on 26 June, 2013, 07:53:20 PMI don't think it was ever done in the comic, but I thought Death corrupting the judges Necropolis-style and having them marching the citizens en-masse at gunpoint straight to Resyk would be pretty horrific.
Oh dude, no way! They'd never get that past the ratings board! :o
Well, we've had plenty of time to think about it and weirdly enough, I don't think I care for a 'bigger' sequel. I'd be fine with just another day on the job with Dredd. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
I quite liked Doug Jones' idea with a TV crew following Dredd around. No better way to explain the city and the things that go on in it. Plenty of opportunity to present life in the Big Meg.
Just don't feel like we got enough of a sense of the city in the first one to start venturing out into the Cursed Earth yet and Death in this version of Dredd would be like introducing Bat-Mite into Nolan's Batverse.
But let's see Hershey and Giant in this one.
Quote from: ChickenStu on 26 June, 2013, 11:01:12 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 26 June, 2013, 07:53:20 PMI don't think it was ever done in the comic, but I thought Death corrupting the judges Necropolis-style and having them marching the citizens en-masse at gunpoint straight to Resyk would be pretty horrific.
Oh dude, no way! They'd never get that past the ratings board! :o
I don't think it's much worse than using slomo on victims and skinning them alive.
Depends how much you needed to show.
Quote from: blackmocco on 27 June, 2013, 12:01:51 AM
Death in this version of Dredd would be like introducing Bat-Mite into Nolan's Batverse.
This does nothing to dissuade me.
Quite the opposite.
QuoteI'd personally like to see the sequel deal with Democracy Now / Total War.
A real Political Action Thriller.
this. i may have little faith in the viewing populace but you cant have a 'realistic' action future flick and then throw monsters in it. people wont buy it!
Worth pointing out that the first film already showed or implied the existence of supernatural/fantastical elements such and psychic powers and mutants, so it wouldn't be as much of a jump to get to the Dark Judges. As I said, it would just depend on how they handled it.
good point well made radiator.
possible sequel idea: a claims direct legal case from the relatives of ma ma for her non conventional type of death? :lol:
QuoteI just think that sometimes doing something the please the fans can actually hurt a movie
Hear hear!
Does anyone think we would have got anything as good as
Dredd if Alex Garland had looked at this website and done what we said we wanted? I doubt it. He did his own thing and I'm glad.
Quote from: radiator on 27 June, 2013, 04:42:34 PM
Worth pointing out that the first film already showed or implied the existence of supernatural/fantastical elements such and psychic powers and mutants, so it wouldn't be as much of a jump to get to the Dark Judges.
This facet is often too easily disregarded. Just like the comic, DREDD has elements of realism and fantasy and while there is a visceral pared-down feeling to it all, it's not operating in, or presenting, 'reality'. What's real about the film is characters act and react like real people in extraordinary situations but that doesn't make it
Ken Loach.
Well, let me clarify my point about Death. If we're talking multiple sequels then yes, by all means let's have them further down the road when we've fleshed out this world a little and given it some context for them to appear. For me, it just feels like it would be too much of a jolt in style to jump from what we've seen so far.
Quote from: blackmocco on 27 June, 2013, 11:47:22 PM
Well, let me clarify my point about Death. If we're talking multiple sequels then yes, by all means let's have them further down the road when we've fleshed out this world a little and given it some context for them to appear. For me, it just feels like it would be too much of a jolt in style to jump from what we've seen so far.
I'm always about the long-march.
To expand further on the notion of Death & Co. appearing in any DREDD film, as a concept they more or less occupy the extreme-margins of the values that define the world-philosophy in JUDGE DREDD so any films that would follow that thematic would find it difficult to top. Best to leave them till the very end.
Pffft... Now you're all just being sensible.
I want more violence, more excellent weapon handling and tactical skills, more Judges involved (some more with names we have heard of), more weaponry from Justice Department and lots of everyday crime at the start to take us into the main story proper!
What I don't want is any uniform alterations, apart from more gear on the belt rig, overly complex political machinations, no bent Judges at any level and no red shirt Judges!
Ha! I would have thought CF would want:
"a sequence when we see a line of parked cars destroyed with colourful explosions and all flip in the air" ;)
For me all I really want for the sequel is DEATH. I have waited too long for the whole 'leave it for a few more films' approach - I want it NOW. And I think it could work - as another poster suggested, just drop him in and don't bother explaining his background. I probably wouldn't include him jumping from body to body but I think it could work very well having a character that Dredd 'puts down' several times in the movie but he keeps getting back up!
Every hero needs a nemesis so no more pussyfooting around, lets get him in there.
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 29 June, 2013, 02:50:02 AM
I want more violence, more excellent weapon handling and tactical skills, more Judges involved (some more with names we have heard of), more weaponry from Justice Department and lots of everyday crime at the start to take us into the main story proper!
What I don't want is any uniform alterations, apart from more gear on the belt rig, overly complex political machinations, no bent Judges at any level and no red shirt Judges!
^ This :thumbsup:
in second movie id like to see
1. intro of robots to the big meg (causing vast unemployment)
2. maybe robot wars
3. Walter the robot played by Asimo hondo
4. main story line possibly America Democracy
5. side story some Otto Sump + BOING + muties
6. more DREDD on his bike going round clobbering perps and leaving them at holding posts for h wagons etc
7. more work on the overcrowding of the city (mobile homes) on the skedway or ZOOM
8. if Rico ever shows up he should be played by a cyborg Karl urban manupulated to survive titan was it ?
Death and the Dark judges should just be mentally unbalanced ex Judges escaped from a mental prison.
Think of the Dr Deckers buttons-for-eyes-mask character from NightBreed, Cenobites, occult worshiping.
They kill based on their backgrounds and 'Death fetish' - hence the Judge names - and the occult 'Life is Crime' basis giving reason for some scary looking costumes and masks, a bit like those worn by Slipknot.
They are easy to do in a real world scenario...
manupulated... That is a heck of a word.
I don't want too big a story. Not America especially, that isn't a Dredd film, it is a Dreddworld film that Dredd appears in. No thanks.
I don't want Dark Judges. Not yet.
Rico... Maybe but that opens up the Stallone can of worms.
No Apocalyse War either.
Big stories need building up to so the film audience can cope with it.
Just a decent crime with a few more Dredd things dropped in. Mutant expulsion be a side story and show a few robots.
How about putting 'Fairly Hyper Man' in the next film, just to take the piss out of 'Man of Steel' more than anything!
Seriously though, how about a side-plot with the SJS. The first film (i'm sure there will be more) featured corrupt Judges, so why not explore that a bit more?
Cheers
I love the Dark Judges - I really love them. Even got the fuckers tattooed on my legs. But I wouldn't like them in a sequel to Dredd...I'd like them in a sequel to the sequel.
I'd like to see something that starts in the Meg, leads out into the Cursed Earth where some of the 'strange stuff' can be touched on.....we had a referenced to mutants in Dredd, so expand on that one in the main story. What story to play on? No idea.
But the end....Anderson comes into it, and provides insight into some visions she has experienced...about 4 strange mutants out in the Cursed Earth.
I know what many you all want and don't want in the sequel(s), I really likes it to leave in Alex Gartland's hands, I trust his faith, come on, Dredd became most re-watchable film in many years!
Alex is the master!
As long as there is a sequel I'm not bothered as to what story they go with although I would like to see the more stranger aspects of the Meg explored a bit more.Might be good to see Anderson and Dredd on the trail of a serial killer as in seven as main plot with it leading into an appearance of Death right at the end for a further sequel. Although as mentioned in earlier post lets trust Alex with what he has in mind as first one is top notch. :)
Chopper-esque story/sub plot with a mega surf like event interwoven with a investigate story-line that also questions the anti-democratic side of the judge system in a ineffable manner that leaves judgement on the merits/pitfalls open to thought...
kickass slo-mo visuals would be retained as a DREDD style continuity. Some of the sky surf competitors would use slo-mo to enhance their experience of flight...
oh yeah in keeping with my obsession with the future is here now then instead of CGI skyboarders we should use these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaMTSOI1Zk4&feature=c4-overview&playnext=1&list=TLWNmLaeA_V8Y) because sky surfing is already here...
I want this lot shoot a 1000fps swooping between the blocks
I would keep the Paul Leonard-Morgan signature music style
wood harris character makes a return (we never saw actually get killed if you think about it) and someone (maybe him) spout the "judge dredd always knows" line
Use your imagination a bit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouR_UHN34qc)
I just want a bloody sequel! :lol:
No Rico for me thanks. I always think he is a character that gets far too much attention when you consider he barely featured in the strip at all.
Other than that, I'd like to echo the thoughts of many above that I'd be delighted to see any kind of sequel, particularly after it seemed impossible only a couple of months ago. Given the quality of Dredd, I'm very relaxed about whichever story/villains Mr Garland chooses for a sequel. We all know we're in safe hands!
Rico is rich with potential because he's the nearest to an 'origin story' that Dredd ever had, (originally)... but I love the idea of a 'Wood Harris comeback'; we know his mind has been invaded (to the extent that he CGI pissed himself), we know he's lost an arm: what if he gets an altered, more mood-controllable mind? maybe with a dial?... and a big false arm with a hook on it?... and some redneck/deliverance-type in-bred relatives....?
Ackshally ,maybe, no: that's a crap idea.
My favourite 'step two' of the founding stone that is 'Dredd' would involve something wonderful and unexpected that confounds all of our expectations-- in the same way the original film did---. let's be honest: it was perfect: Garland's writing was perfect, Urban's portrayal was perfect, and anything that would've made it more 'sequelable' or 'box-office-successfullable' (not a real word, but bear with me) would've undermined the triumphal tribute tro the character and comic that it is our movie ... i've watched about twenty times now, so I guess that makes me no longer objective, but, anyhoo, that's what I reckon.
I thought the IDW Year One series would have made a pretty good sequel (Dredd's youth aside)
Won't go into details for those who haven't read it.
the most important character in Judge Dredd, arguably as important as Dredd himself, is Mega City One - as the first film had to be constrained to one block, I'd dearly hope they'd include more city stuff - weird crazes, unhinged cits, future sports etc.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 29 August, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
the most important character in Judge Dredd, arguably as important as Dredd himself, is Mega City One - as the first film had to be constrained to one block, I'd dearly hope they'd include more city stuff - weird crazes, unhinged cits, future sports etc.
Agree. If there is ONE thing I could have in the sequel it's more of Mega City One. I loved how Mega City One was depicted in the movie.
To me the most important thing would be to see more of Mega City 1. Even though the first movie was great I would prefer to see them fighting in an open space. Maybe even see the cursed earth but what I would like to see the most is Judge Death. Usually I would say that it's too early if they want to make 3 movies but after what happend with Dredd I don't want to risk not to see Death at all if the second movie has the same problems.
I really ain't sure that Judge Death could work in these movies. I could be wrong (and I frequently am) but Dredd had such a realistic tone to it that suddenly bringing undead beasties from another dimension into things - I don't see how they could make it work. I'm saying nothing new here. You've heard this from me before.
Having said that I would love to see 2000AD/Rebellion venture into direct to DVD animated films. Some of the DC Universe ones are absolutely wonderful. That would be a great medium to introduce everyone's favourite undead Judge.
As for a movie sequel, we need it on the actual streets of Mega City One. The society, the justice system... all this would be perfect ground for the sequel to explore. Something along the general lines of The Day The Law Died (although the acute satire of that one might need to be toned down).
Quote from: ChickenStu on 02 January, 2014, 03:49:17 PM
I really ain't sure that Judge Death could work in these movies. I could be wrong (and I frequently am) but Dredd had such a realistic tone to it that suddenly bringing undead beasties from another dimension into things - I don't see how they could make it work. I'm saying nothing new here. You've heard this from me before.
Pretty sure writer Alex Garland said somewhere that his take on Judge Death was not to have him as a dimensional, supernatural being, but rather an ex Judge who had become radiated in the Cursed Earth after a long walk.
That would be the best way to go in my opinion and wouldn't clash with the established tone of movie Dredd.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 02 January, 2014, 04:27:42 PM
Pretty sure writer Alex Garland said somewhere that his take on Judge Death was not to have him as a dimensional, supernatural being, but rather an ex Judge who had become radiated in the Cursed Earth after a long walk.
I don't believe he ever extrapolated on what he would do and that particular idea came out of a fan-wank thread.
Cursed Earth Mutie Judge/ OR Rico/ OR Experimental Judge gone Pete Tong.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 02 January, 2014, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 02 January, 2014, 04:27:42 PM
Pretty sure writer Alex Garland said somewhere that his take on Judge Death was not to have him as a dimensional, supernatural being, but rather an ex Judge who had become radiated in the Cursed Earth after a long walk.
I don't believe he ever extrapolated on what he would do and that particular idea came out of a fan-wank thread.
It's possible, I suppose.
Though I'm sure it was touched upon when he was being interviewed regarding a potential trilogy (The Cursed Earth forming the basis for part 2 and Death part 3) for an online article or maybe even Empire Magazine-I'll have to dig them out and take a look.
He may even of discussed it with myself and some of the other board members when we met him at the London Comic Con in 2012, prior to Dredd's release.
He certainly said that the scripts for the other two films were good to go, although his involvement in making the sequels was questionable, due to various factors.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 02 January, 2014, 04:46:50 PM
He certainly said that the scripts for the other two films were good to go
He did? This is news to me. As far as I knew all Alex had ever done was voice his hopes for what future films might include.
Quote from: Molch-R on 02 January, 2014, 04:56:02 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 02 January, 2014, 04:46:50 PM
He certainly said that the scripts for the other two films were good to go
He did? This is news to me. As far as I knew all Alex had ever done was voice his hopes for what future films might include.
I'm pretty sure I didn't dream it Molch-R, but it has been a funny couple of years! :)
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 02 January, 2014, 04:43:31 PM
Cursed Earth Mutie Judge/ OR Rico/ OR Experimental Judge gone Pete Tong.
Pete Tong MBE, please.
I'm reasonably sure he said something about it being the film costume that gets progressively more fucked up, but beyond that I don't recall hearing or reading anything more from Alex about Death's Origins.
I think people just extrapolated from that (if he did say that), and it led to people doing this kind of concept.
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Quote from: dweezil2 on 02 January, 2014, 04:46:50 PM
He certainly said that the scripts for the other two films were good to go, although his involvement in making the sequels was questionable, due to various factors.
Since the 3 scripts were written as part of the process of trying to find out which is the best story to tell first as an intro to Judge Dredd, and not part of a planned sequence of films, I suspect -as he said so himself in the
Q & A thread- that his intention was to re-write them with the final Peach Trees film in mind:
Quote from: Molch-R on 23 August, 2012, 06:42:15 PM
If my film-trilogy daydream was to play out, I would completely rewrite my original script for the Dark Judges - because it was junk - and start again. And I'd make them deeply fucking weird and spooky, and sort of philosophical. And if everyone hates that idea, relax, because it'll never happen.
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It might have been the case that his Judge Death script was partly an adaptation of
Judge Death Lives which features the citizens of an entire city-block being imprisoned behind an energy shield (in effect, a lock-down) and terrorised by the Dark Judges while Dredd & Anderson enter the block alone.
For the Peach Trees story he may have swapped-out the villains of his Dark Judges script and replaced them with Ma Ma and the 4 corrupt Judges so he maintained the single location story but didn't have the burden of explaining the Dark Judges. It's speculation but this might be partially the reason why it needs to be re-written.
That sounds very plausible Joe.
QuoteFor the Peach Trees story he may have swapped-out the villains of his Dark Judges script and replaced them with Ma Ma and the 4 corrupt Judges
The four Bad Judges...
Four Dark Judges...
Could be a coincidence, but yeah - it makes a lot of sense that they could have been a holdover from a previous, Dark Judges flavoured script.
interesting observation about the story line having parallels to the death story
I want a sort of Judge Child/Cursed Earth hybrid for the next film.
Dredd has to find the JC (who has been kidnapped by the Angel Gang) out in the CE because he will better foresee the disaster that PSI dev predicted will befall MC1,the disaster will be Death and co in Dredd3.
That and more Lawmaster action.
Quote from: Michaelvk on 26 June, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 26 June, 2013, 02:12:04 PM
Quote from: Michaelvk on 26 June, 2013, 02:09:13 PM
A job?
Were you kick out last time?
Fair point.. Never mind then..
Carry on..
unfair,mkv did more to promote the film than dna did even if he did skip official channels...
I personally think "America" could work because dredd's more of a supporting character ,the "villain" even, done right it would be more of a action romance film and draw in more bums on seats with more casual viewers which is what is needed these days. Then perhaps they could expand on dredd's world ?
I quite like the idea of an assassination attempt on the Chief Judge, maybe by a mutant faction, for the second film that leads Dredd and Anderson out into the Cursed Earth, setting up the Death encounter for a third film.
It's potentially quite small scale and could keep the budget down.