Maps back up and available now.
I am thinking of redoing this in a vector format so if changes need to be made please let me know.
Thanks for the input thus far.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/54absk.jpg)
I don't know if I dreamed it but at one point wasn't the western seaboard of Australia depicted as an island K'in years and years ago?
V
Brilliant work. Exactly the kind of map I've been looking for.
Only problem is its making me wish we could have more stories set in the likes of Antarctic City or Uranium City. :D
Quote from: vzzbux on 18 March, 2012, 07:19:39 AM
I don't know if I dreamed it but at one point wasn't the western seaboard of Australia depicted as an island K'in years and years ago?
Shown as 'Perth' in Oz, wasn't it? Thing is, maps have clearly just been drawn quickly by artists over the years, so there's never really been a great deal of consensus anyway. This map's fab, though—a vector one would be lovely.
Quote from: Tim Tailz on 18 March, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
Brilliant work. Exactly the kind of map I've been looking for.
Only problem is its making me wish we could have more stories set in the likes of Antarctic City or Uranium City. :D
It does make you think what other stories are out there. Ron Smith drew some fantastic Pan Andes Judges years ago and havent figured much since which I think is a real shame.
Thanks for the comments its appreciated. I will start on a vector version and update the type and colours so its more distinct and clear. This isnt an excercise in "how great this map" looks for me its about getting an accurate overview, just thought id make that clear.
It would be really cool to have a list of each story that a particular city has been in. So for example Antarctic City would list: Wynter, Harmony (I think that was set there) and any others strips set in Antarctic City.
I imagine this could be quite a difficult thing for anybody to do mind.
In the recent Chaos-story there's a couple of new European places we haven't heard of before (in the prog)
Prague Enclave - the Czech Protectorate
New Malaga
Firenzina (the Da Vinci International Hoverport)
Berlin
Great map by the way! :thumbsup:
Isn't there a bridge between MC-1 and Brit-Cit? Or am I remembering something that doesn't exist?
Quote from: The Adventurer on 18 March, 2012, 08:10:46 PM
Isn't there a bridge between MC-1 and Brit-Cit? Or am I remembering something that doesn't exist?
There's a tunnel between MC-1 and Brit-Cit, but the exit to Murphyville is a bridge, due to a lack of cash.
Quote from: Tim Tailz on 18 March, 2012, 06:44:03 PM
It would be really cool to have a list of each story that a particular city has been in. So for example Antarctic City would list: Wynter, Harmony (I think that was set there) and any others strips set in Antarctic City.
I imagine this could be quite a difficult thing for anybody to do mind.
Its feasible but would need some serious time taken up with a flash programmer. Basically what that would be would be a good portion of Barney in a interface.
Absolutely agree with you about Ron Smith's Pan-Andes stuff in The Sugar Beat, Kowalsky, but remembering that yarn led me also to remember another mega-locale (with a Ron Smith connection no less) that could be added to your geographic labours should you be planning to cram a few more places in.*
Puerto Nova - perhaps a bit obscuro but mentioned a couple of times in Judge Dredd, though I can't recall ever having actually seen it. A wild stab in the rad-mists would place it in Puerto Rico, but I'm just guessing here. Unlike the Pan-Andes Conurb, I can't remember it exporting much in the way of ilicit crops but it did export some wonderful Ron Smith pyrokinetic mayhem back in the day. I'm away from The Library at the moment so I can't recount the progs involved right now should you require them.
*Bloody dandy work, man. I think between yourself and John Caliber, all you'll soon leave for the rest of us to compile will be the list of MC1 Adverts and "Holding Posts I Have Known And Soiled." Fabulous.
Thanks Whitebloke. I think for the sake of cannon if it has been mentioned in Dredd's world then it should be in there so Peurto Nova is in. Unless anyone has any complaints we will take it as included. Peurto Rico sounds right to me.
Im just wondering what the best way for this is to go ahead. If its best to create a map then highlight areas with anchors which then drop down to a listing on a web page ? That way more information and timelines could be added. Alternatively a FLASH Map with interaction connected to a database (call to flash gurus with actionscipt experience needed). What do you think ?
I agree with other posters- a very nice map.
Something, I'm curious about, and forgive me if the answer is rather obvious. Is 'The Cursed Earth' more a nickname for the radioactive lands used by the Megacity and mutant population rather than an official title? I ask as there's nowhere on the map actually labelled The Cursed Earth, although I of course understand it's most of the radioactive area between the Mega cities.
Quote from: nicklarr on 18 March, 2012, 07:53:31 PM
In the recent Chaos-story there's a couple of new European places we haven't heard of before (in the prog)
Prague Enclave - the Czech Protectorate
New Malaga
Firenzina (the Da Vinci International Hoverport)
Berlin
Great map by the way! :thumbsup:
Excellent stuff there will include these also. Just to confirm the following placements
Prague Enclave = Prague (doh!)
New Malaga = Malaga
Firenzina = Florence (north of Vatican City)
Berlin as is or larger land mass for this and all of the above ?
Also these names are they correct?
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 18 March, 2012, 08:13:51 PM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 18 March, 2012, 08:10:46 PM
Isn't there a bridge between MC-1 and Brit-Cit? Or am I remembering something that doesn't exist?
There's a tunnel between MC-1 and Brit-Cit, but the exit to Murphyville is a bridge, due to a lack of cash.
Tunnel going in :)
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 19 March, 2012, 02:27:06 AMAlternatively a FLASH Map with interaction connected to a database (call to flash gurus with actionscipt experience needed). What do you think ?
Or you could fire out SVG and just add overlays to that using CSS.
Why is 'Murphyville' annotated instead of 'Emerald Isle'?
Don't make me reach for the Spud-gun boyo!
Quote from: Link Prime on 19 March, 2012, 05:29:20 PM
Why is 'Murphyville' annotated instead of 'Emerald Isle'?
Don't make me reach for the Spud-gun boyo!
Noted and will change.
Ah sure Jayses, ye shouldn't take the pedantic patterin' of a puerile paddy too seriously... ;)
Quote from: Link Prime on 19 March, 2012, 05:45:25 PM
Ah sure Jayses, ye shouldn't take the pedantic patterin' of a puerile paddy too seriously... ;)
hehe but it has to be right :)
East Meg one shouldn't have the 'destroyed in Judgement Day' skull icon.
Got a few more for you, Kowalsky, you cartographic wonder, you. Scarcely shown or only ever mentioned rather than actually seen, so still a tad obscuro but fitting the bill of having been in Dredd stuff.
Oz Location - Brisbania - from Chopper: The Big Meg
Oz Location - Northwest Oz Territories - from Change Of Loyalties
Euro Location - Berlin Conurb - from Your Beating Heart in Progs 1469-1474, admittedly me being pedantic regarding nicklarr's posting of Berlin
Euro Location - The Desolation of Krakov - from same story, may not qualify as a named location, as with Radback, Patagonian Wastes, Cursed Earth, etc.
Euro Location - Milano Enclave - from same story
Euro Location - Norway Dust Zone - from Meatmonger - presumed to mean Industrial Zone rather than some radioactive dusty wasteland given nature of reference made in the story
Sov Location - Chernobyl Collective - from Sin City
British Isles Location - Merseyside - from Bob Zombie - Scouse of 20,000 Horrors, noted in the story as being an irradiated swamp - would suggest Merseyside Rad-Swamp as a name to cover this but I doubt it would be much fun fitting onto your map!
North America Location - New Territories - from Helltrekkers series, located in the Black Hills area of Dakota. Given that was almost thirty years ago and I can't recall them being mentioned in-strip since even though I was hoping they might show some face during Judgement Day, so perhaps they're now called something else and I've missed it.
Antarctic Location - Antarctic Jungle - from I'm Manny - Fly Me from Prog 660 and apparently populated by a tribe with a shaman. I believe it predates Wynter from the Meg but I don't believe either contradict the other. As for where exactly in Antarctica this may be, I haven't the foggiest and there is no clue in the story itself other than it was flown over and crashed into by a commercial passenger flight.
I've avoided lobbing a slew of Cursed Earth locations at you since that would seem, even cursorily, to be an entire project on its own. I only refer to the New Territories since they appear to have escaped the nukified-y-ness of the rest of most of the former United States. Similarly, I'm guessing various outlying Brit-Cit locations would be impossible to cram onto such a geographically tiny and insignificant dump of a place.
Unknown Location - Nova City - from Lost In Cyberspace in Prog 1270 but nothing revealed therein, seems an arguably likely reference to Puerto Nova (a la Ciudad Barranquilla being known as Banana City).
Oh, also, Neocuba - from Dominoes in Prog 1482
Re: Atlantic Tunnel - it also has a link to Ciudad Barranquilla, also shown in Emerald Isle.
Blimey thats dedication for you sifting through that lot thanks Whitbloke. Will credit all those involved at the bottom of the map.
With that kind of excellent info coming to the fore it would seem wise to split this map into two.
1) Overall main city placement with the whole continents.
2) More detailed placement of secondary enclaves and smaller establishments including penal colonys, mutie townships, pirate / smuggler bases etc.
Progress so far Ive created a new vector of North America, South America, Afria and Europe. Should have something up in the next few days.
Thanks to all who have contributed so far.
Komrade Kowalsky, I have a lightly cautionary confession to make. I'm largely bald up top. There are two reasons for this. Firstly, a genetic anomaly known as "HAHAHA, you are truly my firstborn son" syndrome and secondly, I am regularly besieged by members of the great British public and I somehow never remember to bring my stub gun. Anyhow, being a baldy git already, I can no longer pull great steaming chunks of hair out of my head whether in abject frustration or just for the hell of it. (This was my party piece in my early twenties; how I weep to think how I threw away such lovely locks in my drunken ignorance!)
That said, and I apologise if I should come across clumsily or having made the newbie mistake of missing some post in an earlier thread, isn't there a danger of a broad duplication of effort between what you mention of a seemingly exhaustive map's contents and the impending book by John Caliber about the locations beyond Mega-City One?
Of course, if you're bald already yourself, Komrade, you can't miss it, either, only... I think at the very least you just quadrupled the complexity of your project either way and was concerned that a friendly caution might be advised. I'm entirely happy to lob more locations at you and your mapping efforts if you'd like but I just thought it best to say this first.
Oh, and there's always Mex-Cit which I am guessing isn't in Europe.
I am of the receeding hair follicle troop such as your good self. I will renege on that previous statement and go with option 1. :) (For now)
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 20 March, 2012, 04:11:08 AM
Blimey thats dedication for you sifting through that lot thanks Whitbloke. Will credit all those involved at the bottom of the map.
With that kind of excellent info coming to the fore it would seem wise to split this map into two.
1) Overall main city placement with the whole continents.
2) More detailed placement of secondary enclaves and smaller establishments including penal colonys, mutie townships, pirate / smuggler bases etc.
Perhaps this is where Flash/SVG could come in as you could add zoom and pan, possibly with some detail only emerging on the zoomed view (which I suspect is beyond SVG's current capabilities but I could be wrong).
Anyone know what Seattle is doing on there? Has it ever been mentioned in the Dredd universe outside of that map?
Posted from Seattle.
There's also 'Canadia', as mentioned in Mandroid, and a 'Freetown' features on the US/Canada border, but the significance of this township is debatable.
Quote from: Emperor on 20 March, 2012, 07:45:53 PM
Quote from: Kowalsky (formerly JudgeGumpty) on 20 March, 2012, 04:11:08 AM
Blimey thats dedication for you sifting through that lot thanks Whitbloke. Will credit all those involved at the bottom of the map.
With that kind of excellent info coming to the fore it would seem wise to split this map into two.
1) Overall main city placement with the whole continents.
2) More detailed placement of secondary enclaves and smaller establishments including penal colonys, mutie townships, pirate / smuggler bases etc.
Perhaps this is where Flash/SVG could come in as you could add zoom and pan, possibly with some detail only emerging on the zoomed view (which I suspect is beyond SVG's current capabilities but I could be wrong).
Thats what I was thinking too, Flash would be ideal for this as you could layer events, timelines, prog numbers and descriptions. Would need the services of a flash guru for this though as my skills are well too rusty by far.
QuoteThere's also 'Canadia', as mentioned in Mandroid, and a 'Freetown' features on the US/Canada border, but the significance of this township is debatable.
There in Mandroid so it counts, again not much clarity on placement nor did the novel suggest where the Canadia authorities came from to my knowledge only that Freetown was a nuisance to both.
QuoteAnyone know what Seattle is doing on there? Has it ever been mentioned in the Dredd universe outside of that map?
To be honest I pulled that off an existing map I will try and clarify that one myself.
Thee's also the Town-ships outside Mega City One.
Quote from: Art on 20 March, 2012, 08:35:31 PM
Anyone know what Seattle is doing on there? Has it ever been mentioned in the Dredd universe outside of that map?
Posted from Seattle.
Pretty certain it's never had a mention in the strip.
Quote from: Sector Chief on 20 March, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: Art on 20 March, 2012, 08:35:31 PM
Anyone know what Seattle is doing on there? Has it ever been mentioned in the Dredd universe outside of that map?
Posted from Seattle.
Pretty certain it's never had a mention in the strip.
Thanks Sector Chief - Seattle gets removed.
I've banged on about this before, but I really like the way that Dredd's world - even after all these years - still has a sense of mystery about it. I like the ambiguity - like for instance that much of the European continent has never really been mentioned in any detail.
Even the geography of mc1 itself has never been locked down. It allows the writers to throw in new buildings/landmarks or even whole cities or nations as and when without contradicting what has previously been set in stone.
I always felt that the idea that each major city would become a mega city with its own identikit judge system was a bit of a mistake - and it's something that John Wagner has seemed to conciously play down over the years.
Don't mean to piss on anyone's chips though - the map is a fun little project.
Quote from: radiator on 20 March, 2012, 11:10:47 PM
I always felt that the idea that each major city would become a mega city with its own identikit judge system was a bit of a mistake - and it's something that John Wagner has seemed to conciously play down over the years.
Kritocracy - government ruled by Judges.Me too. I thought it was a missed oppurtunity in the
Megazine to play around with this notion. Instead of it being
Dredd and his international pen-pals with funny hats and helmets, I think it would've been a lot more interesting to have different types of state/political systems and erstwhile territories adopting alternative diciplines for rule, or no rule, as the case maybe. It's fine having a few of the big-knobs of the old world like Brit-Cit and the Sovs having Judge-Systems but think of the possibilites of other city-states round the world run by
technocrats, theocrats, plutocrats, geniocrats, robocrats, sortition lotteries, caste systems or even, Grud-forbid, vanilla
democracies. Having characters from the
Meg interacting with these other peoples/places has more potential instead of
Dredd just meeting his Judge equivalent in the relevant town.
I mean Ireland having Judges! Feck-off.
Quote from: radiator on 20 March, 2012, 11:10:47 PM
Don't mean to piss on anyone's chips though - the map is a fun little project.
That it is.
I always found it strange that the city with the most sci-fi sounding name, "Uranium City", is actually a real place.
Got another one in Europe for you. Ruhr Conurb, mentioned in Midnight Surfer.
Similarly to the Seattle thing, though... Was Chicago already on the map or can somebody kindly point me in the direction of a Dredd story involving the Windy City?
Posted from the Work Wastes.
This is where I got some of the intel from taken from BARNEY
(http://www.2000ad.org/images/maps/map1.jpg)
That map's from a Judge Anderson story. I suspect, like many other maps featured in 2000 AD, it's got its contradictions. On Seattle, however, my reading was that it's simply flagging a place that is, for whatever reason, a 'site of special interest'—all the population centres (i.e. cities) on that map are in uppercase purple type.
The name's red (like Chicago), so I assume its covered by the 'Mutagens in Environment' key. So maybe its a mutant haven or something?
Quote from: The Adventurer on 21 March, 2012, 05:22:15 PM
The name's red (like Chicago), so I assume its covered by the 'Mutagens in Environment' key. So maybe its a mutant haven or something?
Its possible though technically not cannon as it hasnt been mentioned.
I was just marking it up as a Great Germ War reference in the case of Chicago, though I also suspected that it may be the case that some aborted storyline was being referenced in the map.
Oh... and I got to thinking about Mega-City Two for the map. Left as nuked out or one bit back/rebuilt and most still nuked out, to reconcile the local storylines since Judgement Day? I don't see an insoluble contradiction between those stories that have shown the city post-Judgement Day myself. After all, it's a sodding massive slab of land so it wouldn't have been entirely reclaimed. You might think it a bit of a fudge, perhaps, but it's still a fair fit.
Love the Map, one thing that has always left me wondering, why is the whole world radiated in Dredds world?
I could understand parts getting hit in a war, but why is the whole globe?
David
Quote from: maryanddavid on 21 March, 2012, 11:22:59 PM
Love the Map, one thing that has always left me wondering, why is the whole world radiated in Dredds world?
I could understand parts getting hit in a war, but why is the whole globe?
This man & M.A.D.
(http://cache.io9.com/assets/images/8/2009/04/Booth.jpg)
Yeah, I know madman and all that, but its one of the few bits that just dosent work for me. I could understand the States, Europe and most of Asia, but New Zealand, come on, its a nice place!
Quote from: maryanddavid on 21 March, 2012, 11:55:39 PM
Yeah, I know madman and all that, but its one of the few bits that just dosent work for me. I could understand the States, Europe and most of Asia, but New Zealand, come on, its a nice place!
It's also in the way of Russia and the USA.
Quote from: maryanddavid on 21 March, 2012, 11:22:59 PM
Love the Map, one thing that has always left me wondering, why is the whole world radiated in Dredds world?
I could understand parts getting hit in a war, but why is the whole globe?
A nuclear war would result in radioactive dust being entrained in the upper atmosphere. The medium term result would be a volcanic winter, but short term you'd see a lot of the dust settling out around the planet or being brought down in the rain and snow, this would depend on weather patterns.
Pesky fallout, spewing all over those pinko hippy nuclear-free zones. Yes, Iceland... Bob Booth hates you.
Oh, there's also Hong Tong as a sizeable population centre.
If it was me lining up the pre-set targets for the nukes, and had a few missiles going spare ... well, just out of spite, I'd target any self-declared 'nuclear free' zones like Australia and the London Borough of Lambeth.
(However, I'd leave Canada and New Zealand out of the plan, because I like them.)
The main reason why Dredd-World is so awesome is; not only is a Cyberpunk Dystopia Future. Its also a Nuclear Post-Apocalyptic Future. Its like, the most two most awesome future (Mad Max + Bladerunner) options rolled into one.
"I was just marking it up as a Great Germ War reference in the case of Chicago, though I also suspected that it may be the case that some aborted storyline was being referenced in the map."
Can anyone elaborate on the Great Germ War? Has it ever been explained?
I think it's still pretty much one of Mega-Life's great mysteries but it does crop up in Prog 61 with this quote from Red about the 2T(Fru)T virus that clobbers Mega-City Two during The Cursed Earth: A Disease left over from the Great Germ War. You know... the one that came after the Atomic War.
A tediously lengthy quote, I know. I apologise. I can't elaborate on it much myself. All I've got is that quote about that war and things (like the map above) that I have read Germ War inferences into.
For myself, I suppose I just lazily put a lot of the mutations outside the mega-cities down to that war as much as the nuclear one, or a combination of their effects. Being the clever-clog scientific genius I am, I have no more a reason for this than, "It sounds clever enough." Anyway, I guess every time I've seen a Cursed Earth township full of mutations, or even a dog vulture, I've attributed it as much to the Great Germ War as anything else.
This may have been a mistake on my part but it was reinforced during Origins when we saw Chicago avoid any on-panel direct hits from the nukes. For me, the implication had always been that Chicago - despite being a natural fourth US mega-city site - had been obliterated along with so many other places, until Origins gave it a possible reprieve from outright nuclear destruction. And then seeing the map above got me thinking of why Chicago, if it did indeed survive the retaliation against Booth's nuclear mad-on, might still have good reason for never having shown up in Dredd related stuff.
Of course, another way of looking at the Great Germ War is as an early Pat Mills passing-mention addition to Dredd's world that, for any of a variety of possible reasons, John Wagner hasn't felt inclined to revisit since.
You could have answered it yourself, it survived the Atom War but got infected in the Germ War, similar to Day of Chaos...
I thought it could have been explained as a last ditch attempt by Booth, who obviously had control of Mek-troops to gain an upper hand over the Judges, rather than an another international war between 2070 and 2100.
The great Germ war could have been a naturally occurring epidemic like the influenza outbreak after WWI which killed between 50 and 100 million person's.
V
Would it be called a war then? I'm thinking it was more a way of controlling or getting rid of the cursed earth survivors that didn't entirely work.
Suppose it depends on your point of view if you are fighting the spread of disease.
V
Simplest explanation for me would be that the Germ War and the Atomic War are part of the same conflict. The nuclear exchange is over in a matter of days, ending the Atomic War. Then the biological warfare that was instigated at the same time becomes prevalent as epidemics start to spread, and the Germ War phase begins.
Quote from: Sector Chief on 20 March, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: Art on 20 March, 2012, 08:35:31 PM
Anyone know what Seattle is doing on there? Has it ever been mentioned in the Dredd universe outside of that map?
Posted from Seattle.
Pretty certain it's never had a mention in the strip.
Seattle
was mentioned in the original Harlem Heroes strip (Chico and Sammy returned from a spell on loan to the Seattle Swifts) which links directly to Dredd's world......
Quote from: Sector Chief on 22 April, 2012, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Sector Chief on 20 March, 2012, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: Art on 20 March, 2012, 08:35:31 PM
Anyone know what Seattle is doing on there? Has it ever been mentioned in the Dredd universe outside of that map?
Posted from Seattle.
Pretty certain it's never had a mention in the strip.
Seattle was mentioned in the original Harlem Heroes strip (Chico and Sammy returned from a spell on loan to the Seattle Swifts) which links directly to Dredd's world......
So Seattle is worth an exclusion. Thanks for your input Sector Chief! I will have something to show the board by end of play this week. :)
Ha! Mystery solved, I guess.
Quote from: TordelBack on 23 March, 2012, 10:32:03 PM
Simplest explanation for me would be that the Germ War and the Atomic War are part of the same conflict. The nuclear exchange is over in a matter of days, ending the Atomic War. Then the biological warfare that was instigated at the same time becomes prevalent as epidemics start to spread, and the Germ War phase begins.
Also it doesn't need to mean that the Germ War affected everywhere. A war could just be attributed to one region, one city etc.
Still working on it.
Any news on the map front? It's great you're making the effort, looking forward to seeing the final result.
bump!
New printable version of the Dredd World Map is up.
Download here (https://lookaside.fbsbx.com/file/JudgeDredd_World_Map_V2_1D.pdf?token=AWz2unGWUJ9oTNhBNHxY9DOjBNs2cu5oGy0TtceBCyXgo-V6MzrrYehCK2k4D8qgIohwVq37aD67rBVRfzqgVxoFXVh7-huScSGugZgt-HElliuqfEy79rCS4BrVvS_T3PNrSy8oBWtSLxmzigYdKr3L)
or visit https://www.facebook.com/groups/judgedreddmegaverse/files/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/judgedreddmegaverse/files/)
Both links lead to facebook - any chance you could make it available somewhere for us non-facebookers?
Here is the link for you :) Its an ongoing forever changing map as you know but with the PDF version you can zoom in.
Download and View here (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nzS7SuGs2Plf-oB9Nt6zWYhCEgDEZCEN)
Would be cool to get a version with a key. Also: isn't Aquatraz more or less off the coast of the Bahamas, or am I misremembering? (Lovely map though.)
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 25 January, 2019, 11:49:53 AM
Would be cool to get a version with a key. Also: isn't Aquatraz more or less off the coast of the Bahamas, or am I misremembering? (Lovely map though.)
Could well be IndigoPrime, some of these areas marked are placed within a "possible" area. As far as cannon goes its down to a mere interpretation per storyline.