Just seen the cover of Prog 2045 on Farcebook, but what a lovely cover ...
Lovely cover......and i'm actually interested in the subject matter- bonus!
I remembered Anderson appearing in the squad, but didn't recall Hershey being present - shall have to have a quick look at Apoc when I get home!
Hershey was there.
Judge Ocks lost an arm in Shanty Town, and then was next seen in Gordon Rennie and Charlie Adlard's Gulag in progs 1382-1386, when he was killed by the Sovs.
Someone please change the title of this thread to Prog 2045 - Apocalypse Then! The actual tagline - this long thing is driving me buggie for some reason!*
*Well actually I know part of the reason is I still childishly really hold onto the idea that the Prog Thread shouldn't be started until someone has actually - you know - read the Prog and can provide a review rather than just having seen a picture of the cover somewhere.
If you must start it early at least bloomin' start it right!
Okay, okay I'll stop being a petulant nerdish child... until next time that is!
Statues were erected in their honour and placed in public parks. Beautiful statues.
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 18 August, 2017, 05:15:05 PM
*Well actually I know part of the reason is I still childishly really hold onto the idea that the Prog Thread shouldn't be started until someone has actually - you know - read the Prog and can provide a review rather than just having seen a picture of the cover somewhere.
It's a
tradition.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 18 August, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
It's a tradition.
A tradition? You mean like fox-hunting, slavery and prostitution?
Quote from: A.Cow on 18 August, 2017, 07:31:50 PM
A tradition? You mean like fox-hunting, slavery and prostitution?
Yes.
Exactly like that. FFS.
Might start the Prog 2745 thread now as I can currently see some trees which could potentially be pulped to make the paper.
Congratulations to the art team from the brill Rok of the Reds, Dan Cornwell and Abigail Bulmer, who takle this weeks Dredd. Looks fantastic!
All I'll say is, posties better deliver today or there'll be hell to pay! >:D
I'm wondering if it's pure coincidence to see this tale in 2[0]45 given the Apocalypse War started in 245. Like to think Tharg plans this kinda stuff.
Quote from: Fungus on 19 August, 2017, 11:22:52 AM
I'm wondering if it's pure coincidence to see this tale in 2[0]45 given the Apocalypse War started in 245. Like to think Tharg plans this kinda stuff.
Tharg plans all! (If not, that's a neat coincidence. Wasn;t sure how Dan's style would transpose into MC1, but he does a grand job! Interesting that all the other Apocalypse Squad members are out of the Department - Hamble looks like he took a bad trip somewhere along the line!
I'm very interested to see where that Dredd is going.
But my favourite story in the prog right now is Hope, which is brilliantly written and brilliantly drawn. I do t know how it will end, but if the ending leaves room for a sequel then I really hope there is one.
There's a promising 3riller written by Gordon Rennie and Lawrence Rennie -- son? Brother? Husband? The plot thickens!
Been so busy lately, I have the past 5 progs to catch up on. THRILLPOWER OVERLOAD AHOY!
Well, posties delivered. Fair dues. Time to digest properly. Had to dig out the Apocalypse War and flick back. Remembered Costa but not the others. The other one that threw me a bit was that I thought that Judges only had three choices; Titan, Death or the Long Walk. When did it start becoming possible to retire?
Quote from: Tjm86 on 19 August, 2017, 02:24:06 PM
The other one that threw me a bit was that I thought that Judges only had three choices; Titan, Death or the Long Walk. When did it start becoming possible to retire?
Same reaction here. However, logic suggests that a Judge who's too badly injured to continue on the streets would not be fit enough to take the Long Walk. Presumably, when they get too old to carry out desk duty or teach at the Academy, retirement is the only viable option.
Pretty sure it was established early on that they're allowed to retire and be a normal cit- I've a vague memory of a black and white era story where a judge retires to get married.
Quote from: A.Cow on 19 August, 2017, 02:38:52 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 19 August, 2017, 02:24:06 PM
The other one that threw me a bit was that I thought that Judges only had three choices; Titan, Death or the Long Walk. When did it start becoming possible to retire?
Same reaction here. However, logic suggests that a Judge who's too badly injured to continue on the streets would not be fit enough to take the Long Walk. Presumably, when they get too old to carry out desk duty or teach at the Academy, retirement is the only viable option.
"He found Wintergreen at the Academy, eased into retirement, but the old man's mind was still sharp"The Edgar Case, 1591, Wagner and Goddard
The same story, collected as part of
Tour Of Duty: The Backlash, features Jefferson Kubitts, who left the department under the Justice In The Community programme 23 years previously, to become a private security contractor.
(http://i.imgur.com/UTLKzmX.jpg)
Quote from: Richard on 19 August, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
There's a promising 3riller written by Gordon Rennie and Lawrence Rennie -- son? Brother? Husband? The plot thickens!
Im guessing evil mirror-universe counterpart. Does he have a goatee beard?
No prog for me today :(
Quote from: Frank on 19 August, 2017, 03:03:39 PM
"He found Wintergreen at the Academy, eased into retirement, but the old man's mind was still sharp"
The Edgar Case, 1591, Wagner and Goddard
The same story, collected as part of Tour Of Duty: The Backlash, features Jefferson Kubitts, who left the department under the Justice In The Community programme 23 years previously, to become a private security contractor.
Thanks for those. Forgot about the latter. Never really thought of Judge Tutors as 'retired', more shifted from street to classroom. Good point on Kubitts. Also forgot Demarco. Well, that's a face palm then :crazy:
Quote from: A.Cow on 19 August, 2017, 02:38:52 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 19 August, 2017, 02:24:06 PM
The other one that threw me a bit was that I thought that Judges only had three choices; Titan, Death or the Long Walk. When did it start becoming possible to retire?
Same reaction here. However, logic suggests that a Judge who's too badly injured to continue on the streets would not be fit enough to take the Long Walk. Presumably, when they get too old to carry out desk duty or teach at the Academy, retirement is the only viable option.
Prog#662. Tale of the Dead Man
(http://i.imgur.com/r3gGN3P.jpg)
Exciting cover which we've known for a while now. More importantly a pretty entertaining Prog which also gives us the exciting news that Thrills of the Future inclued the return of Brass Sun - WAYHEY!
Dredd teaches us one important thing. However good Dan Cornwell was on art duties on Rok of the Reds he utterly kicks ass on Dredd. The episode looks superb. Its a pretty nice set up. Interesting with all this talk in the 2044 Prog review thread of other writers not quite sealing the deal post DoC (PAH I say its been excellent stuff) we get a Wagner and still people find something to question. You lot are never happy! Really looking forward to seeing how this one develops.
Alienist continues to be much more enjoyable than previous stories for this thrill.
Grey Suit loses a bit of the momentum this series has picked up with a curiously slapstick episode this week. The on off squabble (and that's the best way to describe it) between Blake and Zil is kinda weird and feels to miss the tone we've had to date... though I guess the fruit weapons of the second part actually set this feel up more than I appreciated at the time.
Hope continues to be interesting but suggest a read as one might be needed to get the pace of the story sorted.
Finally a nice opening to a 3riller in which Grennie introduces us (well me at least) to another writing partner in Lawrence (any relation?) Rennie. As ever the case with 3rillers the opener we almost need to ignore, its all about how it keeps up the quality.
So nice if not exceptional Prog a fine Dredd aside.
Quote from: Tjm86 on 19 August, 2017, 04:04:18 PM
Never really thought of Judge Tutors as 'retired', more shifted from street to classroom. Good point on Kubitts. Also forgot Demarco.
It's only my interpretation of
The Edgar Case, but Wintergreen looks more like he's properly retired* than a tutor. In
Fifty Year Man (1536), Dredd visits the elderly Sanders**, who's been transferred to an admin post -which isn't
leaving the Department, but, y'know ...
DeMarco was allowed to leave the Department under City Ordnance 1949JW, which states that characters Wagner's fond of and wants to use later are afforded special privileges.***
* Dredd finds him sitting on a park bench, wearing a sun visor so he can read his book. He's wearing a leisure suit rather than the the elaborate iron corsets Griffin and Pepper sported back in the day, but I suppose Patrick Goddard has a very different visual aesthetic to Ian Gibson. Maybe judges who opt for the Academy get to see out their days there once they're past teaching, rather than taking justice to the lawless on a zimmer
** Who looks like Ron Smith but shares a name with the former MD of the IPC Youth Group ...
*** "When I started (The Pit) I didn't know how it was going to work out for any of the characters, but when I saw Carlos's interpretation of her I knew I had to use DeMarco again"
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2017, 04:55:25 PM
.... we get a Wagner and still people find something to question. You lot are never happy!
<I'm not worthy abasement>If that was to me then my apologies sir. I wasn't questioning what was happening, just my understanding of circumstances. I will commit myself to appropriate penance for even seeming to criticise the great Wagner. </I'm not worthy abasement>
Quote from: JPMaybe on 19 August, 2017, 03:01:12 PM
I've a vague memory of a black and white era story where a judge retires to get married.
Blanche Tatum
(The Executioner, 292--294) was a 12th year cadet*, expelled for unauthorised liaison with the citizen she later married.
* You have to think a 12th year cadet would already know whatever krav maga, wu-tang shit the Department thinks makes full eagles too dangerous to let back onto the streets if they leave
Nah it was another one I'm thinking of. Dredd tells him to behave cos he's just a citizen now or something.
Quote from: JPMaybe on 19 August, 2017, 07:49:06 PM
Nah it was another one I'm thinking of. Dredd tells him to behave cos he's just a citizen now or something.
Didnt "The Falucci Tapes" touch on this - Dredd or someone tells Sladek he could have just resigned, but Sladek didnt want to give up the badge?
Quote from: JPMaybe on 19 August, 2017, 07:49:06 PM
Nah it was another one I'm thinking of. Dredd tells him to behave cos he's just a citizen now or something.
You've got me there, but Garth Ennis and John Burns's
Raider (811-814) is another case of exit by unjudicial liaison - although Karl Raider served twenty years before getting his oats.
Discussion of
Doomsday on another thread reminds me that Lon Tirps, the private dick who employs DeMarco when she exits the Department was
another Academy mate of Dredds who decided dipping his wick was more fun than polishing his day stick.
The solution to the Department's staffing shortages might be to recall the
legions of shag-happy former employees kicking around town.
Yep - Falucci tapes
Sladek and Falucci discuss it
Falucci says it wouldnt be so bad if he told the Dept and Sladek says it would be the "end" = he couldnt give up being a Judge as if is part of him - he isnt worried he will get titaned out, just they'll take his badge off him - he gets a trip to Titan beacuse he commits murder in an attmept to hide the affair
Quote from: Frank on 19 August, 2017, 08:30:26 PM
Quote from: JPMaybe on 19 August, 2017, 07:49:06 PM
Nah it was another one I'm thinking of. Dredd tells him to behave cos he's just a citizen now or something.
You've got me there, but Garth Ennis and John Burns's Raider (811-814) is another case of exit by unjudicial liaison - although Karl Raider served twenty years before getting his oats.
Discussion of Doomsday on another thread reminds me that Lon Tirps, the private dick who employs DeMarco when she exits the Department was another Academy mate of Dredds who decided dipping his wick was more fun than polishing his day stick.
The solution to the Department's staffing shortages might be to recall the legions of shag-happy former employees kicking around town.
Well, whoever was left after DoC.
I'm not sure even Otto Sump's special brand condoms would have stopped them from getting a dose of the old Chaos Bug.
When Raider resigns Dredd tells him "Remember you're a citizen now, Raider. Obey the law." Or words to that effect; I'm not looking it up. Raider thinks (in narration) "I couldn't give a spug what Joe said."
Raider is one of the stories Karl Urban read when researching the role.
Quote from: Frank on 19 August, 2017, 08:30:26 PMDiscussion of Doomsday on another thread reminds me that Lon Tirps, the private dick who employs DeMarco when she exits the Department was another Academy mate of Dredds who decided dipping his wick was more fun than polishing his day stick.
'79 was a bad Academy year for graduates keeping it in their shorts. Judge Bart Kimble kept a secret step-family in
Class of '79.
(http://i.imgur.com/DPyiqC2.jpg)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 19 August, 2017, 09:29:58 PM
Quote from: Frank on 19 August, 2017, 08:30:26 PM
Lon Tirps, the private dick who employs DeMarco when she exits the Department was another Academy mate of Dredds who decided dipping his wick was more fun than polishing his day stick
'79 was a bad Academy year for graduates keeping it in their shorts. Judge Bart Kimble kept a secret step-family in Class of '79.
The Academy bunk rooms must have smelt like Harry Styles' tour bus. Makes you wonder what cadets Hunt, Wagner, and Gibson did to get their names on the honour roll. *
* Prog 27
An excellent cover by Cliff Robinson and an interesting Dredd.
Alienist is building slowly, great artwork.
Hope is continuing to attract my attention, i am drawn to the main character alot and the setting is still a great departure from normal tooth territory.
I had to read Greysuit three times to follow this weeks instalment, a mess of an episode from two major 2000ad talents due to the fact two guys who look very similar are disguised in the same way. And didnt Zil get his head chopped off with a circular saw blade in Bolivaria? This strip is losing me big time.
3thriller opens big, great last panel. Is that a reject robot from Nemesis? Looking forward to episode two.
Quote from: judgerufian on 19 August, 2017, 11:32:48 PM
An excellent cover by Cliff Robinson and an interesting Dredd.
Please can someone explain what's going on with all those creases in the uniforms?
I now understand why Walter the Wobot used to do so much ironing.
Jeez, if that's leather or waterproof synthetic then these guys must rustle or squeak as they walk. Have they not heard of skintight Lycra
TM?
Quote from: Richard on 19 August, 2017, 08:58:39 PM
When Raider resigns Dredd tells him "Remember you're a citizen now, Raider. Obey the law." Or words to that effect; I'm not looking it up. Raider thinks (in narration) "I couldn't give a spug what Joe said."
Raider is one of the stories Karl Urban read when researching the role.
That's almost certainly what I was (mis)remembering, ta.
Quote from: A.Cow on 20 August, 2017, 07:17:13 AM
Have they not heard of skintight LycraTM?
"What were you expecting? Yellow lycra?"
Thanks for the kinds words everyone. I'm sure you'll understand just how big a deal this was for me. I mean getting to illustrate anything in the prog would be a dream and to be lucky enough for it to be a 5 part Dredd story is just incredible to me. Still hard to believe. Wake me up, I must be dreaming!
QuoteHellboy was my favourite read at the time and I thought "if Mike Mignola can get away with drawing bugger all then so can I" [1]
Kev Walker, Meg 290
Is Mike Mignola the greatest influence on modern day
2000ad? Certainly the greatest of artists never employed by Tharg
[2], and
2000ad wouldn't be blessed with as many eccentric looking monster men
[3] -
who, alone or in teams, investigate/punch the supernatural [4] - if Mignola hadn't quit the day job at Big 1.
Richardson hasn't overhauled his aesthetic
completely, but I prefer the bold and (comparatively) spare lines of
Mechastopheles to the nineties Image comic stylings of
Outlier. The splash of the ginormous Torque-Armada/Death's Head mek is great.
Influence is this week's theme. Who can say what possessed Eoin Coveney to give Saoirse Ronan a cameo, or how this week's
Hope used the same mixture of sex, celebrity and illusion to deceive the stewards of a hostelry as
The Alienist deployed 3 weeks ago?
Probably the same dark forces at work that mean
Greysuit covers exactly the same terrain -
sex abuse by public figures at Dolphin Square - we
won't be seeing in prog 2050's John Smithless return of
Indigo Prime. How about Zil's handbrake change of heart, eh?
Probably the only thing the ill crossed authors of
The Alienist and
Greysuit share is a vocabulary, with both Blake and Praetorious deploying the term 'sheeple' to very different effect and purpose. Which pseudo politics legitimises reference to the letters page:
Tharg dismisses two specific points regarding the conformity of world view articulated in the comic with handwaving about how it's always been that way - and blames the creators, forgetting last week's back page featured a combover plotting Armageddon.
Like the letter writer, I share Tharg's opinions, but nobody goes to an echo chamber for entertainment.
Someone on Tharg's books must dispute Keansian economics; maybe Arthur Wyatt thinks Hitler went about it the wrong way but had the right idea?
[1] Walker adds "it's not as easy as it looks. I have to labour over every pencil line. It's the shapes you're creating that are important. It's design rather than illustration ... I have huge respect for Mignola: he was the first person to inspire me since the early days of 2000ad"
[2] The cover for Vendetta In Gotham seems like a DC hire to me; others may know better.
INFLUENCED BY MIGNOLA
Walker
MacNeil
Trevallion
Richardson
INFLUENCED BY BOLLAND
Robinson
Kitson
Roach
Marshall
Julien
Foster
Coveney
INFLUENCED BY BISLEY
Staples
Critchlow
Bliss
Power
Fabry (sorry)
Langley
Carney
Millgate
Murray
Brashill
[3] Lobster Random, Zombo, Harry Kipling, Blunt
[4]Caballistics, Absalom, The Order, Ben & Kawl
I'm weeks behind in my Prog reading, but that Dredd Stories had me hooked by the cover alone!
Quote from: Proudhuff on 23 August, 2017, 04:46:37 PM
I'm weeks behind in my Prog reading, but that Dredd Story has me hooked by the cover alone!
You'll love it. Speaking of the power of promotion, I saw the TV adverts for the
2000ad Hachette part work. All those watching
Frasier repeats at 9am now know they can pick up
The Horned God for £2.
Am I the only reader for whom the concentric ripples on the atypically rain soaked skeds and peds of MC1 -
outside a psychiatric facility, wherein a grim hero interviews a patient in an attempt to avoid their death - brought to mind
The Killing Joke?The angle on that establishing panel is great, and I like Cornwell's simultaneously grubby and flashy MC1*. The mushroom cloud splash page suggests Dan isn't quite yet your man for a big, impressionistic montage*, but his character work is
exceptional.
The interaction between Mac and the Doc, and the following bar scene, would be dull expo in most hands, but here they're the fireworks, showcasing a facility with facial expression and body language comparable to the late Steve Dillon.
Morant's posture and the attitudes he adopts tell the reader as much about the character as the dialogue. Could be a fun caper, but Mac's kidding himself about Texas psych care.
* The problem Drinker is a great name for a boozer, but I'm not sure I needed the gag to be literally signposted three times in the same panel. The private sanatorium doubles up on the signage too, but only manages to spell it correctly once. A privet(e) sanatorium sounds nice, though.
Quote from: Richard on 19 August, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
I'm very interested to see where that Dredd is going.
But my favourite story in the prog right now is Hope, which is brilliantly written and brilliantly drawn. I do t know how it will end, but if the ending leaves room for a sequel then I really hope there is one.
There's a promising 3riller written by Gordon Rennie and Lawrence Rennie -- son? Brother? Husband? The plot thickens!
Not husband, unless they've legalised polygamy (or whatever it would be called if somebody was married to a man and a woman). Looks like the whole family is getting in on the script droid lark though!
Great to see Hope back. Every week there's a one-liner that cracks me up.
The new Dredd story looks like it's going to be a good 'un.
Appt Polly loggies for the double post, but I just wanted to address the points about balance in the political satire in 2000 AD.
I listen to a few satirical radio shows and subscribe to Private Eye as well as toothie, and I think this is a difficulty most satirists are having at the moment. The "right" is not only ridiculously powerful at the moment but it's also shat out figures like Trump, who are so cartoonish and reprehensible that it would almost be neglectful not to ridicule them.
On the other hand, the "left" is so ineffectual at influencing public discourse right now, it just doesn't offer much content for interesting satire. Private Eye persisted with a very poor feature called "focus on the old left" for a while until they clearly realized that all it did was draw attention to stuff Jeremy Corbyn said 35 years ago every week and present it as some kind of massive revelation. I guess the liberal preoccupation with identity politics can generate some funny stuff (and I think there was a Sam Slade story in one of the specials that had a bit of fun with that), but I guess even that is pretty limited in scope and you can come across as pretty callous if you ridicule people for calling for social justice.
I've enjoyed some of the political stuff we've seen in 2000 AD recently. It seems pretty broadly done and not particularly cutting but quite fun at the same time.