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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #60 on: 27 November, 2017, 11:46:59 am »
That's lovely, thanks.  It's always to go back through a pile of previously read comics and find that something you'd always skipped was actually great all along.

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #61 on: 10 January, 2018, 03:08:54 pm »
Prog 803 - It's been a long time since I updated, I'm aware that I've passed the point where there's supposed to be a dip in quality, and I can see where that comes form.  Since last time, Dredd has had a couple of lacklustre filler strips (Koole Brothers, Babes in Arms spring readily to mind) that have suggested it might not be a reliable pick for best in Prog each week.  Rogue Trooper is mind-numbing, particularly the recent Apocalypse Dreadnought.  The Friday version of the character really suffers from not having his biochip team to talk to, so pairing him with a mute alien is madly frustrating as his clunky monologuing soars to new heights.  Also pretty recent is Kola Kommandos, one of those thrills where every time you start reading you wonder if you've accidentally skipped a week.  Overflowing with a new half-baked idea 6 pages, I really wish there'd been a proper story included somewhere in its inexplicably long run.

Against this background, it's been really nice to get Zenith back for Book 4.  This one hadn't lived up to it's reputation for me previously, but the quality is clearly in another league to much of the stuff around it.  Button Man was a little predictable, but the artwork was always a pleasure.  Skizz Book 2 I'm sure I'd heard wasn't great, but I really enjoyed it and thought it was a fully worthwhile and appropriate continuation.  Finn is an odd one, after one book the character seems to have a lot in common with Revere, absent the post-apocalyptic setting and with the additional Mills touch.  Odd that these should start so close to each other.  No clear favourite between the two yet, although I remember Revere episode 2 containing possibly the most sophisticated page of artwork seen yet.

Really pleased to have Luke Kirby back at the moment, although less anticipation for the return of Clown - once was more than enough for a strip this thin on ideas.  Speaking of which, Brigand Doom never seemed to settle on a proper one, and its second run left me wondering what it was really supposed to be about.  I'm not clamouring for more Trash either.....you know, with it all written out like this I can see why it's been so long since my last post!  Here's hoping there's better things ahead.

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #62 on: 10 January, 2018, 03:56:16 pm »
Rogue Trooper is mind-numbing, particularly the recent Apocalypse Dreadnought. 

I know what you mean and I'm really not looking forward to a few things from this era when I get there in the none to distant (trying to work out if I'm catching you up or not???) and Friday Rogue is high on that list. With a title like Apocalypse Dreadnought how can this be dull... but I seem to recall it really is!

Good to have you back, always enjoy these updates.

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #63 on: 10 January, 2018, 04:27:40 pm »
Thank you, very kind.  I think you are catching up, I've had a very uneven pace this year - I've only read about 270 progs since mid-April, so I'm hoping to do another 200 in the next 3 months to reach 1000 at the end of year 2, but who knows how over-optimistic that is!

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #64 on: 10 January, 2018, 06:08:23 pm »

I know what you mean and I'm really not looking forward to a few things from this era when I get there in the none to distant (trying to work out if I'm catching you up or not???) and Friday Rogue is high on that list. With a title like Apocalypse Dreadnought how can this be dull... but I seem to recall it really is!


Wasn't it one of Fleischer's 'scripts'?

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #65 on: 22 January, 2018, 03:20:32 pm »
Wasn't it one of Fleischer's 'scripts'?

It was! Having looked back at his previous work there's not a good one among them.  I don't always pay attention to who's doing what, but he'll be hard to forget now.

Prog 824 - Finn and Revere have concluded a second run and come more into focus - or more out of focus for Revere, which does less this time than it did first time, and seems to dilute what potential it had in the confusion.  Finn is alright, but nothing special.  It doesn't have the richness of setting to support its fantasy that Slaine does, and feels a bit half hearted in trying to reach for a depth in it's mythology that it's previous comic trappings can't give weight to.  They both feel like they've run their course already, although Finn more satisfyingly while Revere strays towards the please-make-it-stop territory of Brigand Doom.  Is this feeling Doom inspires supposed to give the reader an empathetic connection to his victims?

Flesh: Legend of Shamana is not really working either.  The original Flesh is still one of the greats for me, and while the first sequel couldn't quite live up to it it at least managed to set up a chain of events and desires and then unfold the terrible consequences.  This is a much lesser story than both and doesn't have anything driving beyond simple opposition.

A while back I asked about the Gronk going on a RAGE style rampage, and now here we are.  Also, everyone on the letters page are right - Wireheads was appalling in every way.  It's amazing, especially when Shadows (fairly recently, it seems) treated some similar ideas in a far more intelligible and dramatic way.  Happily Dredd has picked up a bit from it's slump, though Judgement Day itself felt a poor relation to Necropolis, so it's nice to be back to normal.  Though I might be on a high from a recent, all too short return for PJ Maybe.  Oddly though, things don't feel too bad.  Luke Kirby was great all the way through, Robo Hunter has it's moments, and the increasing 90s-ness of things is interesting, and coming through in unexpected ways.  I'm really enjoying reading each prog at the moment, despite the currently variable quality within.

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #66 on: 23 January, 2018, 10:55:02 am »
Wasn't it one of Fleischer's 'scripts'?
It was! Having looked back at his previous work there's not a good one among them.  I don't always pay attention to who's doing what, but he'll be hard to forget now.

By all accounts some of Fleischer's US work from the 70s is very good, in particular Jonah Hex. His 2000AD stuff, on the other hand......

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #67 on: 23 January, 2018, 01:25:19 pm »
Yeah his Jonah Hex stuff is pretty good fun, so apparently is his Spectre but I've not read that.

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #68 on: 24 January, 2018, 06:16:08 pm »
Finn is an odd one, after one book the character seems to have a lot in common with Revere, absent the post-apocalyptic setting and with the additional Mills touch.  Odd that these should start so close to each other.  No clear favourite between the two yet, although I remember Revere episode 2 containing possibly the most sophisticated page of artwork seen yet.


Am I right in thinking that Finn was a translation from Crisis and Third World War into the prog?  I may be wrong but the character is ringing bells from that point of view.  I would agree that both strips suffer from wearing Mill's bete noir's too proudly on their sleeves.  For me, Revere was the stronger of the two for the absolutely bonkers art work.  Finn tended to appeal a little too much to the tin foil hat brigade for my tastes. 

If anything this raises an intriguing question; does the prog suffer when there are too many Mills strips?

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #69 on: 24 January, 2018, 09:46:46 pm »
If anything this raises an intriguing question; does the prog suffer when there are too many Mills strips?

I would direct your attention to the current prog thread. Although, in the interests of full disclosure, I’m not as down on it as many posting on that thread… although that may be because I’m not reading ABC Warriors at all, and thus am quite enjoying Savage.
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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #70 on: 29 January, 2018, 03:04:54 pm »
Yeah his Jonah Hex stuff is pretty good fun, so apparently is his Spectre but I've not read that.

I've read Fleisher's Spectre, bu not his Jonah Hex. I would say it's a lot of fun, but not necessarily 'good'. The main thing is he had some inventively nasty ideas for ways that the Spectre could enact fitting vengeance on evil doers (a bit like Max from the 13th floor). But the plots and characters aren't spectacular.

In fact, his Rogue Trooper isn't far different: the hyper violence in his scripts is proper 2000AD nastiness, but it's telling that if you don't care about your central character, and can't follow their quest, the inventive violence isn't enough to hold your interest.

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #71 on: 31 January, 2018, 02:41:12 pm »
Prog 842 - Ok, so I've reached the notorious 1993 'summer offensive', but being only one prog in I'm not ready to talk about it yet, suffice to say so far it's a bafflingly abrupt change.  I had actually thought things had been picking up again since last post: Firekind looked good, and I enjoyed the world building early parts.  I knew about the missing episode so skipped ahead to read it in the right place, but by the time the story ended I wasn't sure what it was about.  With the name I thought the space-dragons (what is it about dragons recently?) would be the focus, but they don't play any great part in the story.  Larsen, particularly at the end of part one, seems to have an interesting background, or be a representative agent of some external power, but we don't really find out about it.  The actual resolution seemed to come out of nowhere, and didn't satisfactorily address the early part of the story.  But as a whole it looked great and I really enjoyed reading it.  Maybe it's my fault, maybe I'm criticising it unfairly for not being what I expected rather than for what it was (although what it was I'm not sure - I don't think I could summarise the plot satisfactorily).  So I have mixed feelings, but ones that would definitely lead me to read it again.  I think I'm struggling with the idea that even without the quality of plot development I was expecting I still thought it was really good.  Hm.

Also really good and with crystal clear plotting was Kano.  A brilliant return, and the change of setting really brought a lot more depth to the character.  The idea of time running backwards for an hour a day is fascinatingly weird, and the hunting episode that makes use of this masterful.  This kind of thing really appeals to me - and brought back happy memories of the bit of Halo Jones set in the crush.  I can't fault this one at all.

Armoured Gideon on the other hand was a bit less.  By the end I was thoroughly sick of having the concepts of the characters and setting explained to me in a bald infodump at the start of each episode.  I think it says something unflattering about the coherence of the ideas if this context can't be conveyed more naturally during the installment.  A decent enough sequel, but probably stretched out too long for my taste.

Kelly's Eye was fine, undemanding and competent action of the sort that I'd take over the new Rogue Trooper any day.  Judge Dredd is still wobbly though: There's no way the thin ideas of The Chieftain warranted 3 weeks, but I LOVED the return of the Muzak killer - as I've noted previously I really enjoy seeing the 'current' wider pop culture and music references in particular, so this for me was bliss.  Also blazing high has been Purgatory, but having read Mark Millar's first two Dredds proper they seemed a little flat, so I wonder if credit here should go to Carlos?  To be honest it took me a while to warm to his style back at the beginning of this project - it's deceptively simple - but over time I've grown to appreciate how incredibly dynamic, easy to follow, and economical his frames are.  Packed with thrill power, every one.

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Re: Another 2000AD read thread
« Reply #72 on: 31 January, 2018, 05:56:53 pm »
Yeah always happy to see a postive review of Kano as I think it comes in for a lot of unnecessary stick and agree its great.

And its interesting to hear your views on Firekind for me one of the 2000ad classics, I love it... mind I say that about just about any John Smith strip! (just about I'm reading one I'm not big on at the moment!).

Armoured Gideon is a strip I always look forward to reading and then seem to be a little disappointed by as its never quite as good as I build it in my mind. Its not a bad strip, far from it, but a bit like Brigand Doom never quite has a stella story, its always good, not great. Still we'll see how I feel about it when I get there.