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Title: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 14 July, 2017, 08:42:20 PM
Will be announced on Sunday. Until then, speculate away. Please be nice.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
Its going to be Andy Murray!  :lol:
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 14 July, 2017, 09:07:45 PM
Questions. Why the trig point in the trailer? Is it a real trig? Which one? This is the important stuff.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Spaceghost on 14 July, 2017, 10:28:48 PM
Hope it's a woman.

LOCK THE THREAD!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 10:41:03 PM
At the end of Wimbledon Sue Barker will turn to camera & say, "Peoples of the Universe, please attend carefully. The message that follows is vital to the future of you all."
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 14 July, 2017, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
Its going to be Andy Murray!  :lol:

Best hope it doesn't rain. We'd end up with Cliff Richards in the TARDIS.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 10:54:07 PM
Quote from: Timothy on 14 July, 2017, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
Its going to be Andy Murray!  :lol:

Best hope it doesn't rain. We'd end up with Cliff Richards in the TARDIS.
Richard NOT Richards.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 14 July, 2017, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 10:54:07 PM
Quote from: Timothy on 14 July, 2017, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
Its going to be Andy Murray!  :lol:

Best hope it doesn't rain. We'd end up with Cliff Richards in the TARDIS.
Richard NOT Richards.

My apologies to the fan club.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: Timothy on 14 July, 2017, 10:55:16 PM
Quote from: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 10:54:07 PM
Quote from: Timothy on 14 July, 2017, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: JLC on 14 July, 2017, 08:47:02 PM
Its going to be Andy Murray!  :lol:

Best hope it doesn't rain. We'd end up with Cliff Richards in the TARDIS.
Richard NOT Richards.

My apologies to the fan club.
haha! Actually the fan club call him Stiff Pilchard!

Anyway, who gonnae be new Doctor Who?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 14 July, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
Post a thread without trailer, you bastard! Locked this thread!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZx4P6u3rzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZx4P6u3rzU)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 14 July, 2017, 11:07:25 PM
And it's Robert Carlyle.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 15 July, 2017, 12:01:11 AM
"Plebs"

That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: DrRocka on 15 July, 2017, 12:58:26 AM
Ah, I was really hoping we'd only find out in the last 5 minutes of the Christmas episode. Suppose a surprise is impossible, these days....
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: GordonR on 15 July, 2017, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 15 July, 2017, 12:58:26 AM
Ah, I was really hoping we'd only find out in the last 5 minutes of the Christmas episode. Suppose a surprise is impossible, these days....

It's never been possible any other previous day, either.

Every change of Doctor - every single one, from Hartnell-Troughton onward - has been announced and publicised well in advance.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: DrRocka on 15 July, 2017, 01:09:14 AM
I managed to miss all the furore in the press at the time so was genuinely surprised when Dr Ecclestone thrust his head back and spouted orange fireworks at the end of the first revived series. It was a hugely exciting feeling, given how much the notion of new Doctor Who had gone from "well this could be a laugh" to "required viewing for me and the missus and continual talking points down the pub" in the space of about three episodes, when it returned. Would be great to feel that again, but they've obviously gotta capitalise on the publicity. Still.... whatta feeling...!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 July, 2017, 07:56:47 AM
Quote from: GordonR on 15 July, 2017, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 15 July, 2017, 12:58:26 AM
Ah, I was really hoping we'd only find out in the last 5 minutes of the Christmas episode. Suppose a surprise is impossible, these days....

It's never been possible any other previous day, either.

Every change of Doctor - every single one, from Hartnell-Troughton onward - has been announced and publicised well in advance.

Yeah but missing Pebble Mill at Ones annoucement was easier back in the day!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 15 July, 2017, 08:14:07 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 15 July, 2017, 07:56:47 AM
Quote from: GordonR on 15 July, 2017, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 15 July, 2017, 12:58:26 AM
Ah, I was really hoping we'd only find out in the last 5 minutes of the Christmas episode. Suppose a surprise is impossible, these days....

It's never been possible any other previous day, either.

Every change of Doctor - every single one, from Hartnell-Troughton onward - has been announced and publicised well in advance.

Yeah but missing Pebble Mill at Ones annoucement was easier back in the day!

There's an episode of The Likely Lads right there.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 15 July, 2017, 10:16:31 AM
Intriguing female would be Dr who's list here. It's Mojo which some users might find a bit trite.

http://www.watchmojo.com/video/id/16113/
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 15 July, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
The virtual mental asylum known as Facebook is saying it's going to be Ken Dodd.

What a beautiful day for swearing at a sailor
and saying, "how's that for a tar-dis?"

Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tiplodocus on 15 July, 2017, 10:46:45 AM
Tony Kebbell.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 15 July, 2017, 11:07:47 AM
Quote from: DrRocka on 15 July, 2017, 12:58:26 AM
Ah, I was really hoping we'd only find out in the last 5 minutes of the Christmas episode. Suppose a surprise is impossible, these days....

Well BBC ruined it with the Master and Cydermen in the trailer!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 15 July, 2017, 11:14:51 AM
Filming for the next series will start before Christmas, which will more than likely involve filming in public. It'd be impossible to keep the actor's identify a secret by the Christmas special. That's why they revealed the return of the original Cybermen.
They still ballsed it up with the Master though.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: dweezil2 on 15 July, 2017, 11:16:16 AM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 15 July, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
The virtual mental asylum known as Facebook is saying it's going to be Ken Dodd.

What a beautiful day for swearing at a sailor
and saying, "how's that for a tar-dis?"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I think I started that one-and I was joking obviously!

How tickled I am!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 15 July, 2017, 11:37:41 AM
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 15 July, 2017, 11:14:51 AM
They still ballsed it up with the Master though.

Not really. It was supposed to be a secret, but once it leaked there was no point in pretending otherwise.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Dandontdare on 15 July, 2017, 11:53:18 AM
But if you don't follow social media and fan sites, a viewer who just watches the show on TV would be none the wiser - no need to ruin it for everyone. I would have been pleasantly surprised by both if they hadn't been on the trailers.

As for the new doc - please, anyone but Kris Marshall- seems a nice guy but totally wrong for this
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 15 July, 2017, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 15 July, 2017, 01:09:14 AM
I managed to miss all the furore in the press at the time so was genuinely surprised when Dr Ecclestone thrust his head back and spouted orange fireworks at the end of the first revived series.

A genuinely impressive feat given that Eccleston's departure was massive national news in between the broadcasts of episodes 1 and 2 of that season. On this form, you will have no trouble avoiding the publicity surrounding number 13 ;)

A lot of the time spoilers are basically indistinguishable from marketing. There was no way the BBC were going to let John Simm's return be a surprise, because then all the people who would have tuned in especially to see it would not have known to bother.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 15 July, 2017, 12:53:38 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 15 July, 2017, 11:16:16 AM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 15 July, 2017, 10:21:56 AM
The virtual mental asylum known as Facebook is saying it's going to be Ken Dodd.

What a beautiful day for swearing at a sailor
and saying, "how's that for a tar-dis?"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I think I started that one-and I was joking obviously!

How tickled I am!!!!  ;)


You wascally wabbit! Well played.

Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 15 July, 2017, 12:59:06 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 15 July, 2017, 11:53:18 AM
But if you don't follow social media and fan sites, a viewer who just watches the show on TV would be none the wiser - no need to ruin it for everyone. I would have been pleasantly surprised by both if they hadn't been on the trailers.

Some episodes (and films) are well-crafted to provide a surprise, but are completely ruined by in-show trailers, or in the case of the first series episode 'Dalek', the word 'dalek' appearing at the beginning...
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 15 July, 2017, 01:01:27 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 15 July, 2017, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: DrRocka on 15 July, 2017, 01:09:14 AM
I managed to miss all the furore in the press at the time so was genuinely surprised when Dr Ecclestone thrust his head back and spouted orange fireworks at the end of the first revived series.

A genuinely impressive feat given that Eccleston's departure was massive national news in between the broadcasts of episodes 1 and 2 of that season. On this form, you will have no trouble avoiding the publicity surrounding number 13 ;)

I managed it - I just needed to a) not have a TV and b) not read newspapers.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 15 July, 2017, 01:07:27 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 15 July, 2017, 11:37:41 AM
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 15 July, 2017, 11:14:51 AM
They still ballsed it up with the Master though.

Not really. It was supposed to be a secret, but once it leaked there was no point in pretending otherwise.

It was leaked because they put the Master in the season trailer at the press screening for The Pilot - they could've kept him out and then The Sun wouldn't have had something to spoil...
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Zarjazzer on 16 July, 2017, 01:21:54 PM
As this board has managed to get a Dredd film made and a TV series and inadvertently destroys the time space continuum ( still to happen ),  I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a boarder appearing through the magic blue doors.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: dweezil2 on 16 July, 2017, 02:03:30 PM
I'm calling it-Sandi Toksvig!  :)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Steve Green on 16 July, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 16 July, 2017, 01:21:54 PM
As this board has managed to get a Dredd film made and a TV series and inadvertently destroys the time space continuum ( still to happen ),  I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a boarder appearing through the magic blue doors.

Where do you think CF has been all this time?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2017, 02:51:33 PM
Just had an interesting tip: Mathew Baynton. Could work well. I guess we'll all see soon enough.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Leigh S on 16 July, 2017, 02:56:08 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2017, 02:51:33 PM
Just had an interesting tip: Mathew Baynton. Could work well. I guess we'll all see soon enough.

Thatwould actually be potentially genius casting - my kids love him more than Dr Who anyway!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Another tip is Harry Lloyd
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 July, 2017, 03:21:21 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Another tip is Harry Lloyd

Now a Harold Lloyd Doctor would have been a wonderful thing to see!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: DrRocka on 16 July, 2017, 03:24:10 PM
I'm been saying this since the eighties, but please please please: John Cooper Clarke?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Zarjazzer on 16 July, 2017, 04:17:45 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 16 July, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: Zarjazzer on 16 July, 2017, 01:21:54 PM
As this board has managed to get a Dredd film made and a TV series and inadvertently destroys the time space continuum ( still to happen ),  I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a boarder appearing through the magic blue doors.

Where do you think CF has been all this time?

I knew it!  :)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 July, 2017, 04:28:10 PM
interesting choice...

Got a happy daughter.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Modern Panther on 16 July, 2017, 04:30:26 PM
Hold on...no massive build up?  How am i supposed to know how to feel with hearing Bruno Toniolis opinion first?!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
Hahaha! Big joke on the troll!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2017, 04:32:43 PM
I've not seen her in anything, but interesting from a continuity of working together standpoint – and that in a sense bodes well. (i.e. work with people you like and know, from previous successes you've had together.)

So I'm neutral on this in the sense of the actual casting, but intrigued to see how it'll go, in terms of the show.

Oh, and one thing: if this thread at any point descends into the kind of hell the other Doctor Who one did, we as moderators will either start judiciously deleting posts or simply lock the thing again.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Daveycandlish on 16 July, 2017, 04:35:51 PM
And I honestly thought they'd play safe and go with a thirty year old white male.

As always with a new Doc, I'll wait and see how the stories go before passing judgement
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 July, 2017, 04:42:47 PM
Very low key tennis final with a very low key annoucement slapped in. Was expecting a bit more fuss than that? They had a whole programme for Capaldi.

Still dropped off the show for the last two seasons but the current changes will mean the Taylor household will be giving an old favourite another try. Just hope the show gets freshened up a bit as well as the Doctor and show runner.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 16 July, 2017, 04:43:33 PM
Random person with an equity card. Bit worried that this is going to backfire, but had no idea who Matt Smith was either, and he turned out alright.

The main thing is that the scripts need to get better. Everything else will take care of itself.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 16 July, 2017, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 16 July, 2017, 04:28:10 PM
Got a happy daughter.

:) Only reactions I've seen so far have been extremely happy folk, the cautiously optimistic and those frothingly obsessed with the idea that there'll be this huge mysognistic backlash which will likely not at all happen in any major way. Personally all that interests me is Chibnall doing some good writings - because honestly I hated the finale so much I started thinking "why do I put myself through this?" again.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
Has no-one here watched Attack the Block? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Batman's Superior Cousin on 16 July, 2017, 04:49:30 PM
Got that on DVD, never bothered to watch it though!!!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: dweezil2 on 16 July, 2017, 04:50:03 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
Has no-one here watched Attack the Block? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL?

That's where I've seen her and Broadchurch of course and a small role in a rather obscure film called Black Sea.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 16 July, 2017, 04:50:52 PM
Well i'm utterly chuffed! Cant wait!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Steve Green on 16 July, 2017, 04:50:59 PM
I watched Attack the Block, but had forgotten she was in it.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 04:51:37 PM
People kept forgot that Joanna Lumley was first female Doctor.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Modern Panther on 16 July, 2017, 04:55:49 PM
Trailer suggests a more reserved, understated doctor.  No more playing guitar on top of a tank.  Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 16 July, 2017, 05:12:29 PM
Good stuff, good stuff, interesting times indeed. 

Together with the excellent Episode VIII Behind the Scenes vid I'm feeling genre-optimistic.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Leigh S on 16 July, 2017, 05:15:52 PM
My wife was very excited as she loves the st Trinian film she was in - she tried some form of robot dancing to enlighten me as to who she played, but I'm none the wiser. 

It will be interesting, and better than a safe Tennanty choice.  Still concerned about teh Chibnall Factor mind!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: zombemybabynow on 16 July, 2017, 05:20:37 PM
👍👍👍
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
I wanted a male Doctor because that's what I've been used to. Simple as that.
I didn't know how I would actually react to a female taking on the part - I figured I'd be against it.

Now I know - and I'm surprised and delighted to find myself really excited about what lies ahead! This shakes things up big time, and after 55 years that's a good thing!
I've unfortunately seen a lot of the old guard claiming that that's it for them, they'll never watch it again. Of course we know they will - they always say that.
I'll say this though - given the ferociousness of fans, Jodie has more balls than any male actor taking on the part, and I wish her the very best of luck!

(I bet ABCwarBOT isn't having a good day... lol)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: zombemybabynow on 16 July, 2017, 05:30:24 PM
Double promotion for Huddersfield
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 16 July, 2017, 05:30:48 PM
Huh. I thought they were announcing it at the end of the Wimbledon Men's final, but I guess it happened mid-show as there's an hour to go....

I came here to check if you lot had a definite time (since it's not on the TV schedule) and you got the announcement already. 😊

Edit -
Although confusingly they're showing mixed doubles on the tennis at the moment, I think so maybe the men's finals has passed, despite my playtv schedule saying otherwise...
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 16 July, 2017, 05:31:36 PM
I'm happy - going to have to rewatch that episode of Black Mirror to refresh who she actually is.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Richard on 16 July, 2017, 05:48:53 PM
Ricky Gervais's tweet:

QuoteOutrage at Dr Who anouncement: One fan said "How can I masturbate to the Daleks now with a bloody woman in the way?"
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 16 July, 2017, 05:50:51 PM
I don't know her well (but I didn't know the others either, although Capaldi's face was familiar from that sweary comedy... (which I never watched) but I know her face!

Probably familiar after having just watched Black Mirror, although...

... (one quick Google later)....

[spoiler]The Entire History of You[/spoiler]

I thought that was the one, although I couldn't remember the title. (I think of it as [spoiler]The Memory Chip[/spoiler] episode. Boy, was that one uncomfortable viewing.) Yes she was very good in it.

An interesting choice. Not an actress I associate with eccentricity, but that's basing her on the roles I've seen her in, but I think she will pull this off. She has an interesting face, (in a good way)  that's for sure.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 16 July, 2017, 05:56:54 PM
I wonder: now we have a female Doctor (Otherwise known as The Nurse*) will we have male companions? Keep up the opposite gender dynamic?

I'd be happy with either, (and I'm hoping Bill will be back) but I'm curious to see.

* I'm joking. I'M JOOOOOOKIIIIING!!!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 July, 2017, 05:57:22 PM
Most interestingly the annoucement hasn't broken the internet like we were promised. The world also appears to still be turning. Its like the bloody Millenium Bug all over again!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 July, 2017, 05:57:29 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 July, 2017, 05:31:36 PM
I'm happy - going to have to rewatch that episode of Black Mirror to refresh who she actually is.

Or pretty much all of Broadchurch.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2017, 05:58:57 PM
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 05:26:27 PMI've unfortunately seen a lot of the old guard claiming that that's it for them, they'll never watch it again. Of course we know they will - they always say that.
Quite, and even if they didn't, so what? They need to get kids interested again. And just as it was cool to see lots of little girls being Ghostbusters, I'm looking forward to seeing them be The Doctor.

As for companions, I'll be amazed if there aren't two (one of each gender).
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: M.I.K. on 16 July, 2017, 06:02:34 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ef/41/88/ef41888cceec7ce4a2a69222fa5c9018.jpg)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 06:10:22 PM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 16 July, 2017, 06:02:34 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ef/41/88/ef41888cceec7ce4a2a69222fa5c9018.jpg)

"I have a woman's bottom!"
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: edgeworthy on 16 July, 2017, 06:23:23 PM
Unfortunately I can't get the image of her as the dull-witted receptionist on St. Trinian's out of my head. This is going to be a problem.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 16 July, 2017, 06:29:54 PM
Well, I think it's awful. I will never accept a Doctor who's from Yorkshire.

Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: auxlen on 16 July, 2017, 06:37:00 PM
I'll just say this here and hope i dont get the abuse I have received elsewhere.
Disclaimer. I long ago realised new who isnt for me.
But how can a character that has for 50 years been male suddenly be female...Yes, it is interesting but on a species level how does that work?

Please dont call me 'misogynous prick' 'regressive cock' or 'sexist'. Maybe i'm just too old?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 06:39:51 PM
It's fantasy - how does a person manage to change their whole appearance several times in their lifetime?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 16 July, 2017, 06:40:50 PM
Quote from: auxlen on 16 July, 2017, 06:37:00 PM
I'll just say this here and hope i dont get the abuse I have received elsewhere.
Disclaimer. I long ago realised new who isnt for me.
But how can a character that has for 50 years been male suddenly be female...Yes, it is interesting but on a species level how does that work?

Please dont call me 'misogynous prick' 'regressive cock' or 'sexist'. Maybe i'm just too old?

I think the official Who explanation is wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: pauljholden on 16 July, 2017, 06:42:20 PM
Quote from: auxlen on 16 July, 2017, 06:37:00 PM
I'll just say this here and hope i dont get the abuse I have received elsewhere.
Disclaimer. I long ago realised new who isnt for me.
But how can a character that has for 50 years been male suddenly be female...Yes, it is interesting but on a species level how does that work?

Please dont call me 'misogynous prick' 'regressive cock' or 'sexist'. Maybe i'm just too old?

There are fish that do it, doesn't seem a wild stretch to imagine time lords can do it.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: pauljholden on 16 July, 2017, 06:45:30 PM
No entries on time lords here, but plenty of other Earth based species change gender either spontaneously or for deliberate reasons...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_change
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Leigh S on 16 July, 2017, 06:46:52 PM
Quote from: auxlen on 16 July, 2017, 06:37:00 PM
I'll just say this here and hope i dont get the abuse I have received elsewhere.
Disclaimer. I long ago realised new who isnt for me.
But how can a character that has for 50 years been male suddenly be female...Yes, it is interesting but on a species level how does that work?

Please dont call me 'misogynous prick' 'regressive cock' or 'sexist'. Maybe i'm just too old?

If you want an in universe answer, the Doctor has now been given potentially thousands of regenerations from the end of that Matt Smith story, including some girly ones. 

Less facetiously, we know the Timelords "limited" the number of regens to 12... maybe being stuffy old Conservatives, they also liited the sex to one (and being massive racists, also skin colour), to avoid these kinds of internet debates?  Now the Timelords are gone, there is no such restriction
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: M.I.K. on 16 July, 2017, 06:57:16 PM
Also, if regeneration is a complete reboot of the body... https://youtu.be/z1Kdoja3hlk (https://youtu.be/z1Kdoja3hlk)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 16 July, 2017, 07:04:21 PM
Told my eldest new doctor was a woman. And I quote:

"Who? What? No. That'll be rubbish"

I fear the scripts won't be strong enough, given what's gone before, to carry this off.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 16 July, 2017, 07:10:52 PM
OMG! So excited!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Modern Panther on 16 July, 2017, 07:19:29 PM
I find it truly baffling that people will watch a show about a super intelligent, time travelling, semi-immortal alien who can transform their appearance at will and flies a magic box around the universe solving problems...but are unable to get their heads around the character being played by a woman.

How does a change in gender work?  Its science fiction.  How does a transdimension police box work?  How does regenerating into a different body work?  How does psychic paper work, or a sonic screwdriver work? 



Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 07:25:46 PM
Reading comments on Daily Mail article. Very immature!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 07:29:46 PM


In a few years it'll change again so if you don't like it, wait.

Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 07:35:42 PM
51 years ago, "Doctor Who" took a huge gamble in replacing it's lead actor and it paid off, ensuring the incredible longevity it has enjoyed.
Today that program is still taking gambles and so it should. Fans have often cited it's flexible format as the reason behind it's success and longevity, and this is just one more change. It doesn't need to be feared or raged against. Just give it a try.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: dweezil2 on 16 July, 2017, 07:50:29 PM
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 05:26:27 PM


(I bet ABCwarBOT isn't having a good day... lol)

He probably exploded!

I feel silly asking this, as I've watched Doctor Who since the early 70's, but do Time Lords possess genitalia and if not, how do they procreate?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 16 July, 2017, 07:51:19 PM
I'm looking forward to it. Well, I would be if I had a telly.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 16 July, 2017, 07:57:31 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 16 July, 2017, 07:50:29 PM

I feel silly asking this, as I've watched Doctor Who since the early 70's, but do Time Lords possess genitalia and if not, how do they procreate?


They have huge clocks.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:02:00 PM
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 07:35:42 PM
51 years ago, "Doctor Who" took a huge gamble in replacing it's lead actor and it paid off, ensuring the incredible longevity it has enjoyed.
Today that program is still taking gambles and so it should. Fans have often cited it's flexible format as the reason behind it's success and longevity, and this is just one more change. It doesn't need to be feared or raged against. Just give it a try.

It's a gamble all right, and one that has really surprised me, and I'm not sure it will prove a successful move in the long run. I've said it before - some elements of fandom may love the idea, but I just can't see the mainstream audience being as receptive. I honestly believe young boys are going to really struggle with this, and they've been the absolute core of the show's audience for a very long time. You might be able to persuade the 'old guard' to just try it - and some of us probably will, moaning bitterly all the time, of course - but boys will probably just find something else to watch.

As for the idea of not raging against this - I'm afraid Chibnall's statement that he only ever intended to cast a woman, rather than the most suitable person of any gender, will undoubtedly give ammunition to those who see the decision as motivated by a need to meet BBC diversity quotas.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 08:02:48 PM
I don't believe Time Lord genitalia has ever come up in the programme, but I believe Time Lords procreate through the use of "looms" according to the book "Lungbarrow". I've never read the book, so I can't tell you how that works.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 July, 2017, 08:14:13 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:02:00 PMI honestly believe young boys are going to really struggle with this, and they've been the absolute core of the show's audience for a very long time.
But here's a thing: maybe girls will love it. Who knows? But I'm getting sick of the notion – from childhood to adulthood – that male-led anything is for everyone, but female-led anything is just for women and/or girls. It's bullshit, and it needs to change. I have a three-year-old who's already starting to recognise this crap.

Plus:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE33C7rXcAYWEB0.jpg)

Too fucking right.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 08:15:37 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:02:00 PM
As for the idea of not raging against this - I'm afraid Chibnall's statement that he only ever intended to cast a woman, rather than the most suitable person of any gender

Decades of multiple males playing the role every few years proves there are always going to be plenty of contemporary options for suitability each time renewal comes around. Having in mind to choose a woman this particular time doesn't even seem radical.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: SIP on 16 July, 2017, 08:17:17 PM
Thankfully I'm not bothered by Doctor Who anymore, as I think the "new" series (that's everything since Sylvester McCoy to me) is just completely horrible.

If I did care, I would be thinking this is a bad  idea that will likely alienate a huge chunk of its audience. I think it's desperately sad that the BBC couldn't just come up with a family orientated sci fi/adventure program with a strong female lead rather than feeling the need to turn a male character into a female character. It isn't progressive, it's just lazy.

Anyway, thankfully I really don't care as I think it's rubbish anyway. Hope it delivers for those who do.




Ps. Tom Baker is Dr Who, everyone else is just background noise.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:20:44 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 08:15:37 PM
Having in mind to choose a woman this particular time doesn't even seem radical.

Whether it's a decision you support or not, surely choosing to cast a woman in a role that's never been played by one is undoubtedly radical?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Theblazeuk on 16 July, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
I dunno, I don't think lads nowadays are as fussy as my generation, just as my generation was less fussy on those scores than the previous one. I saw plenty of boys around this neck of the woods dead excited about Nu Ghostbusters.

The idea that its ever a case of casting the most suitable person of any gender for Doctor Who is rubbish of course. Each Doctor is a completely different set of characteristics for a start. When they chose Matt Smith and David Tennant, they were going for 'younger'. When they chose Capaldi they were going for 'older'. They chose the best actress when they were going for 'female'. But more than this, if it was ever a case of simply choosing the most suitable actor for the role previous to this, then surely there's absolutely no controversy in the choice of a woman for the role? If gender has always been so beside the point.

Here's to the next Doctor, may she have some good episodes and some weird bad guys so that I actually watch the damn thing. And here's to the next.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:20:44 PM
Whether it's a decision you support or not, surely choosing to cast a woman in a role that's never been played by one is undoubtedly radical?

The feeling I have is 'why did it take so long for it to happen to a character who can change its physiology so frequently?'

It's radical with a small r.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:28:58 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 08:24:44 PM
It's radical with a small r.

To a fan audience, sure. But I'd argue that Dr. Who's rather unique status in British culture raises the size of that 'r'.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 08:31:19 PM
Woman with super intelligence. Won't get well in BBC America with Trump supporters
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 16 July, 2017, 08:44:00 PM
I really want it to work. Doctor Who is like 2000ad to me; it was there with me as a child and I have stuck with it through thick and thin.

I just fear it's a toss of a coin as the producers cannot think of good stories any more, and are focussed on gimmick. And I worry it'll back-fire, causing something I cherish to curl up and die.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: ABCwarBOT on 16 July, 2017, 08:44:59 PM
Quote from: SIP on 16 July, 2017, 08:17:17 PM
Thankfully I'm not bothered by Doctor Who anymore, as I think the "new" series (that's everything since Sylvester McCoy to me) is just completely horrible.

If I did care, I would be thinking this is a bad  idea that will likely alienate a huge chunk of its audience. I think it's desperately sad that the BBC couldn't just come up with a family orientated sci fi/adventure program with a strong female lead rather than feeling the need to turn a male character into a female character. It isn't progressive, it's just lazy.

Anyway, thankfully I really don't care as I think it's rubbish anyway. Hope it delivers for those who do.




Ps. Tom Baker is Dr Who, everyone else is just background noise.



Totally agree.   I've never been much of a Nu Who fan anyway but this is the final nail in the coffin for me.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/qrb2tv.jpg)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/qrb2tv.jpg)

Sure, wouldn't really be an issue if any of those characters were also shape-shifting aliens...
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 08:52:20 PM
Aaaaand, I just got the context of your post, Goaty - sorry! lol
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:54:52 PM
The argument doesn't work, because these are different characters, not the same character. The launching of a River Song or Romana or parallel universe female Doctor series wouldn't bother anyone.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 16 July, 2017, 09:05:44 PM
Didn't Marvel turn Thor into a woman? Don't know if that worked or not and I don't know if this will work or not, either. If it doesn't work I don't think it'll be because of this casting alone but a combination of factors/failures. Turning the Master into the Mistress worked (for me at least and from what little I've seen) and so I'm not really worried about a female Doctor. She cannot, after all, be worse than Sylvester bloody McCoy and has every chance to be as good as Pertwee.

Go girl!

Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 16 July, 2017, 09:07:53 PM
What seems to have happened with Ghostbusters 3 (which is a good movie, btw) is that it alienated a percentage of it's core audience by gender-switching the lead characters, but that there wasn't a new audience to replace them.

I think Greg's right, some of the Doctor Who audience won't be able to cope with this change, and will drift away. The survival of the show now depends on it being able to find a fresh set of viewers to replace them.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 16 July, 2017, 09:08:41 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 16 July, 2017, 08:44:59 PM
Quote from: SIP on 16 July, 2017, 08:17:17 PM
Thankfully I'm not bothered by Doctor Who anymore, as I think the "new" series (that's everything since Sylvester McCoy to me) is just completely horrible.

If I did care, I would be thinking this is a bad  idea that will likely alienate a huge chunk of its audience. I think it's desperately sad that the BBC couldn't just come up with a family orientated sci fi/adventure program with a strong female lead rather than feeling the need to turn a male character into a female character. It isn't progressive, it's just lazy.

Anyway, thankfully I really don't care as I think it's rubbish anyway. Hope it delivers for those who do.




Ps. Tom Baker is Dr Who, everyone else is just background noise.



Totally agree.   I've never been much of a Nu Who fan anyway but this is the final nail in the coffin for me.
What were the other nails?

I have to agree though, its political correctness gone mad! What next? A man playing Widow Twankey?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: jacob g on 16 July, 2017, 09:09:09 PM
Since I care more about story and talent than worn out sentiments... I'm kind of excited about it. It's a good casting call, I hope quality writing will follow.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 16 July, 2017, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:20:44 PM
Whether it's a decision you support or not, surely choosing to cast a woman in a role that's never been played by one is undoubtedly radical?

The feeling I have is 'why did it take so long for it to happen to a character who can change its physiology so frequently?'

It's radical with a small r.
Yes. There were attempts to do it in the 80s. Maybe if they had done the show wouldn't have been cancelled.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 16 July, 2017, 09:05:44 PM
Didn't Marvel turn Thor into a woman?

Not quite - the original Thor was no longer worthy of Mjolnir, and the hammer was instead lifted by Jane Foster. Both characters are still around and both still have their own comics.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 16 July, 2017, 09:38:15 PM
Thanks, Greg - I stand corrected.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 09:49:47 PM
Performing onstage against Christopher Eccleston... I can easily see her as the Doctor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgsYfRPmNDs&feature=share (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgsYfRPmNDs&feature=share)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 16 July, 2017, 09:52:29 PM
I do not understand how so many aspects of the Doctor's phisiology and foibles, age and accent, senses of taste and humour, and as we saw with the War Doctor even his core philosophy, can be mutable from incarnation to incarnation, but gender (and race) are a problem. Especially as it's been established that there is some kind of significance to the specific forms the Doctor takes: the issue of 12 becoming a double of the Fires of Pompeii Capaldi; McGann's decision for 8.5 to be a warrior; and earlier wasn't Troughton offered a choice from a range of faces before having Pertwee imposed?  If there is an element of choice, even subconsciously, wouldn't any of us, faced with immortality and the chance, try on another gender at some point?

And if the regenerations (as I fanwank it) somehow work through facets of the total being that is the Doctor, perhaps 13 is simply the concentration of aspects of that nature that find best expression as a woman. 

Anyway, there'll be another white male along shortly, never fear.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 July, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 July, 2017, 09:52:29 PM
and earlier wasn't Troughton offered a choice from a range of faces before having Pertwee imposed?

Didn't Romana run through a range of regeneration options? The Doctor exposes himself to far more danger than the average Time Lord, and holds his regenerations as a kind of 'get out of jail free' card in extremis. I thought it had been canonical for decades that other Time Lords actively choose to regenerate at a time, and into a form, of their choosing. The idea that, given all that, they can't choose to swap gender seems ludicrous.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 10:07:56 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 July, 2017, 09:52:29 PM
I do not understand how so many aspects of the Doctor's phisiology and foibles, age and accent, senses of taste and humour, and as we saw with the War Doctor even his core philosophy, can be mutable from incarnation to incarnation, but gender (and race) are a problem.

My argument would be that despite surface changes, the Doctor is more-or-less the same core personality every time, and it's a personality characterised by a very male form of eccentricity. The restless runaway space-hobo / crazy bachelor uncle angle, the tendency to think he can always fix everything, the fundamental recklessness of the character, the whimsy  - of course women can have these sort of qualities, but combined, the whole package seems to me distinctively male.

Maybe I'm wrong, and the show will flourish. If so, great - the gamble has succeeded and the risk was worth taking. But ultimately, it doesn't really matter what I think - it matters what young audiences think. And if they don't go for it, there won't be another man along shortly, because there may not be a programme.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 10:15:41 PM
I can't see any crippling negatives with this decision and it might inspire a few original stories. If the show fails, it won't be for the lack of a sonic-screwdriver between the Doctor's legs.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: dweezil2 on 16 July, 2017, 10:20:12 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 16 July, 2017, 07:57:31 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 16 July, 2017, 07:50:29 PM

I feel silly asking this, as I've watched Doctor Who since the early 70's, but do Time Lords possess genitalia and if not, how do they procreate?


They have huge clocks.

You filthy bitch!!!
I love it when you talk dirty!!!  ;)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tiplodocus on 16 July, 2017, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 16 July, 2017, 07:04:21 PM
Told my eldest new doctor was a woman. And I quote:

"Who? What? No. That'll be rubbish"

I fear the scripts won't be strong enough, given what's gone before, to carry this off.

It's already given you the opportunity to ask "Why do you think that?" And discuss gender equality so that must be a good win for you already.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: dweezil2 on 16 July, 2017, 10:21:06 PM
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 08:02:48 PM
I don't believe Time Lord genitalia has ever come up in the programme, but I believe Time Lords procreate through the use of "looms" according to the book "Lungbarrow". I've never read the book, so I can't tell you how that works.

Thanks for the info Andy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: dweezil2 on 16 July, 2017, 10:27:08 PM
Quote from: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 16 July, 2017, 09:07:53 PM
What seems to have happened with Ghostbusters 3 (which is a good movie, btw) is that it alienated a percentage of it's core audience by gender-switching the lead characters, but that there wasn't a new audience to replace them.

I think Greg's right, some of the Doctor Who audience won't be able to cope with this change, and will drift away. The survival of the show now depends on it being able to find a fresh set of viewers to replace them.

My issue with Ghostbusters 3 is they had a perfectly good original cast the could of used and chose, for what ever reason, not too.
The gender issue never came into for me, I just wanted a true sequel, not a reboot.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 16 July, 2017, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 10:07:56 PM...it's a personality characterised by a very male form of eccentricity. The restless runaway space-hobo / crazy bachelor uncle angle, the tendency to think he can always fix everything, the fundamental recklessness of the character, the whimsy  - of course women can have these sort of qualities, but combined, the whole package seems to me distinctively male.

That's a very interesting, thoughtful, take, but if Chibnall et al explore anything along those lines I'd be thrilled.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Richard on 16 July, 2017, 11:03:38 PM
Seems like a bad idea to me. Given that it's aimed at primary school age children, whose teachers are all women, will they want to go home and watch a series where the lead is a middle-aged woman who bosses everyone about and who knows more than everyone else? She'll just remind them of their teachers.


(Yes I know adults watch it too, but it's a children's programme.)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 11:19:53 PM
It's a programme for everyone, of any age and it's made by the drama department, not the children's.
It was designed to be watched by the family - a segueway between the children's programmes of earlier and the more adult programmes that would follow.
It's never been just a children's show - certainly not primary age.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 11:21:27 PM

I wish my primary teachers had been hawt Timelords.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Leigh S on 16 July, 2017, 11:25:24 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 July, 2017, 10:31:41 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 10:07:56 PM...it's a personality characterised by a very male form of eccentricity. The restless runaway space-hobo / crazy bachelor uncle angle, the tendency to think he can always fix everything, the fundamental recklessness of the character, the whimsy  - of course women can have these sort of qualities, but combined, the whole package seems to me distinctively male.

That's a very interesting, thoughtful, take, but if Chibnall et al explore anything along those lines I'd be thrilled.

The Doctor as an identification figure for geeky/spectrum kids like myself shouldn't be underestimated.  It is hard to think of another character in popular fiction who fulfilled that asexual/non aggressive male persona.

There's a lot of talk about just how important representation is for minorities, so if you wanted to be geeky about it, you could say the Doctor was fulfilling just that for atypical boys.

If you had asked me a while back, I'd have been wary just on that basis. but then you realise there are geeky/spectrum females who haven't even had the luxury of one role model - the fact we can share ours with them is rather wonderful, no?

The danger remains, as it always hass with Nu Who, in clunky realisation of a potentially fine idea.  Hopefully, they will strike a right balance between acknowledging the change and not making an issue out of it - we are all human, and the differences are not as big a deal as what we share
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2017, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: JLC on 16 July, 2017, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 July, 2017, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 16 July, 2017, 08:20:44 PM
Whether it's a decision you support or not, surely choosing to cast a woman in a role that's never been played by one is undoubtedly radical?

The feeling I have is 'why did it take so long for it to happen to a character who can change its physiology so frequently?'

It's radical with a small r.
Yes. There were attempts to do it in the 80s. Maybe if they had done the show wouldn't have been cancelled.

The problem in the 1980s was that the director general of the BBC hated sci-fi, and so put Doctor Who up against Coronation Street, moved it around the schedule and essentially did everything possible to give themselves a reason to cancel it.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2017, 12:06:44 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 16 July, 2017, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 16 July, 2017, 07:04:21 PM
Told my eldest new doctor was a woman. And I quote:

"Who? What? No. That'll be rubbish"

I fear the scripts won't be strong enough, given what's gone before, to carry this off.

It's already given you the opportunity to ask "Why do you think that?" And discuss gender equality so that must be a good win for you already.

Yes, I'd want to know where they got knee-jerk reactions from - did they pick up sexist behaviour and viewpoints from people at school, or elsewhere?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2017, 12:29:06 AM
Quote from: Andy Lambert on 16 July, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 16 July, 2017, 08:46:34 PM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/qrb2tv.jpg)

Sure, wouldn't really be an issue if any of those characters were also shape-shifting aliens...

I couldn't figure out what it was either, out of context (and with the reply above the original statement).  I did notice that three out of the five original examples were female versions of pre-existing male characters (either officially or unofficially).
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: M.I.K. on 17 July, 2017, 12:29:53 AM
Sidenote : most the non-internet folk I know who've moaned about this and think it'll be crap are female relatives.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tiplodocus on 17 July, 2017, 12:41:02 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 July, 2017, 12:06:44 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 16 July, 2017, 10:21:02 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 16 July, 2017, 07:04:21 PM
Told my eldest new doctor was a woman. And I quote:

"Who? What? No. That'll be rubbish"

I fear the scripts won't be strong enough, given what's gone before, to carry this off.

It's already given you the opportunity to ask "Why do you think that?" And discuss gender equality so that must be a good win for you already.

Yes, I'd want to know where they got knee-jerk reactions from - did they pick up sexist behaviour and viewpoints from people at school, or elsewhere?

Dr. X ain't like that. I'll be surprised if the response wasn't what I thought.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: ABCwarBOT on 17 July, 2017, 03:38:18 AM
In other news.   It looks like Judge Dredd is to be played by a woman too in the new series.   
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 17 July, 2017, 03:39:26 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 17 July, 2017, 03:38:18 AM
In other news.   It looks like Judge Dredd is to be played by a woman too in the new series.

Is there nothing that Carousel can't do...?

More seriously, this would only be equivalent if the TV show had been running for 50 years and a key part of Dredd's character was that he was an alien being who changed his entire physical form every couple of (subjective) years.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2017, 03:50:00 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 17 July, 2017, 03:38:18 AM
In other news.   It looks like Judge Dredd is to be played by a woman too in the new series.


Don't lose your shit...but there's a female Dredd clone (http://2000ad.wikia.com/wiki/Cadet_Jessica_Paris).
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: M.I.K. on 17 July, 2017, 04:02:48 AM
Also, this... http://www.alternity.co.uk/3000%20ad.html (http://www.alternity.co.uk/3000%20ad.html)

...and male judges were having their brains transplanted into female judges' bodies as far back as 30 odd years ago...

(http://68.media.tumblr.com/b87c7b6dbb5f14fd0adebe7352e9be73/tumblr_inline_o7kaduxIuf1s1btgh_500.jpg)



Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 17 July, 2017, 08:02:55 AM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 17 July, 2017, 12:29:53 AM
Sidenote : most the non-internet folk I know who've moaned about this and think it'll be crap are female relatives.

My missus for one. She has even gone so far as to say she won't watch it (although she did later relent and say she'd give it a go but thought they'd made a mistake).
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Modern Panther on 17 July, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
Next they'll have a lady Chief Judge.  That's just silly - after all, the first five were men, so its clearly a man's job.  Do you want the grand hall to be attacked by bears?!

Its political correctness gone mad.  We'll not be able to call it the "Christmas special" next.  I hear they're calling it the "winterfest special" this year, so as not to upset the immigrants.  Replacing the sonic screwdriver with a wooden spoon, cause the screwdriver's a symbol of the patriarchy.  Painting the tardis pink, to make it more inclusive.



Do you think the world is too PC?  Did the casting of a female doctor upset you?  Good.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 17 July, 2017, 08:23:56 AM
We are still no nearer identifying that trig point though.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Steve Green on 17 July, 2017, 08:24:33 AM
Talk of the drop in merchandising revenue etc got me thinking.

DW seems to be the survivor amongst the others that popped up in reaction to its reboot on UK TV.

Genre shows aimed at families like Primeval, Merlin, Atlantis, Robin Hood, Eleventh Hour, Jekyll and Hyde (apologies if forgotten any others) all either ran their course or didn't last.

I guess the rise in genre TV elsewhere combined with a tightening of budgets might have been a cause?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Timothy on 17 July, 2017, 08:31:45 AM
The 3 Musketeers has sort of lasted. The Capaldi-effect?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Daveycandlish on 17 July, 2017, 08:31:57 AM
"Change my dear and not a moment too soon"
I'm more interested in the change of show runner as this will have a big bearing on the standard of the show.
Matt Smith was a great Doctor but some of his stories were underwhelming. Likewise, Capaldi.

Had it been leaked how long a contract she has signed? Will she be a one season wonder like the ninth? Or companion Bill?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 17 July, 2017, 08:37:53 AM
Quote from: Modern Panther on 17 July, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
Do you think the world is too PC?  Did the casting of a female doctor upset you?  Good.

Because obviously if someone has reservations about this casting choice, then they must be a rabid general-purpose bigot - there's simply no other possibility.

You know what, I expect some are. But it gets pretty tiresome (more on Facebook than here, I should note) seeing people who'd consider themselves liberal stooping to the same kind of demonizing that they'd otherwise abhor in Daily Mail Land.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 17 July, 2017, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 July, 2017, 12:04:43 AM

The problem in the 1980s was that the director general of the BBC hated sci-fi, and so put Doctor Who up against Coronation Street, moved it around the schedule and essentially did everything possible to give themselves a reason to cancel it.

At last, an explanation for Bonnie Langford.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Modern Panther on 17 July, 2017, 08:58:47 AM
There were two questions there.  Have concerns about casting all you like - that's par for the course for Who fans.  For all the people who have concerns about casting because they think its a choice made out of political correctness, or who immediately dismiss the casting of any woman, I'm glad that the choice has shaken them up a little. 
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 17 July, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
What bothered me was the implication that if someone's not keen on this, they probably have issues with diversity in general. I don't think that necessarily follows. That said, my annoyance is more with the heavily-polarised Facebook world than your post specifically, so I probably should have commented there rather than here. I've found the debate here far, far more nuanced and reasonable.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: TordelBack on 17 July, 2017, 09:31:23 AM
Greg, no-one could read your posts on this thread and think you have anything other than a well-considered point of view on the matter.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 17 July, 2017, 09:35:18 AM
Thank you, TB, I very much appreciate you saying that.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Modern Panther on 17 July, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
As has been said on another thread just recently, compared to vast areas of the internet this forum is the pinnacle of decorum and intelligent debate.  You people are just freaking charming.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 17 July, 2017, 09:41:23 AM
One little thing I did thought was bit unfair that Jodie was from Chris Chibnall other show Broadchurch, and not let other people a try.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 17 July, 2017, 09:43:48 AM
I think its perfectly OK to think JW isn't right for the role, my main issue is folk saying The Doctor CAN'T be a woman and JW will fail in the role BECAUSE she's a woman, only one person here has crossed that line, Greg and others in disagreement i'm perfectly happy with, again you guys are just the finest forum folk online.

/Soppy Bollocks terminated/
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 17 July, 2017, 09:46:15 AM
Quote from: Goaty on 17 July, 2017, 09:41:23 AM
One little thing I did thought was bit unfair that Jodie was from Chris Chibnall other show Broadchurch, and not let other people a try.

Par for the course, though, to cast people you've worked with - Christopher Eccleston had been in RTD's The Second Coming and David Tennant in RTD's Casanova prior to Who-dom.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Theblazeuk on 17 July, 2017, 09:50:01 AM
I know we've all been doing it, but comparing Ghostbusters to Doctor Who isn't quite appropriate. One is a long running series where the main character and the entire cast changes regularly, and that change is part of the narrative. The NuWho launch was a decade ago and it still jumped directly into the narrative/timeline of the old one.

The other is a reboot of a beloved movie (and its lesser sequel) which relied upon its distinct cast members and had no real mythology beyond 'there are ghosts and we catch them'. It's got more in common with the new Baywatch movie than Doctor Who. The female cast is not the only factor in whether a movie is any good and a beloved IP is not a guarantee that people will come to watch it. The 'Core Audience' for Ghostbusters were all old enough to just watch the original ghostbusters movie if they had a mind. On VHS.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2017, 09:55:10 AM
Quote from: Modern Panther on 17 July, 2017, 08:05:34 AM
Its political correctness gone mad.  We'll not be able to call it the "Christmas special" next.  I hear they're calling it the "winterfest special" this year, so as not to upset the immigrants.
It's Winterval - get your Daily Mail misreporting right! ;)

QuoteReplacing the sonic screwdriver with a wooden spoon, cause the screwdriver's a symbol of the patriarchy.  Painting the tardis pink, to make it more inclusive.

The sonic screwdriver already got replaced, by sunglasses (I don't think anybody liked it).
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 July, 2017, 10:17:04 AM
Quote from: Goaty on 17 July, 2017, 09:41:23 AMOne little thing I did thought was bit unfair that Jodie was from Chris Chibnall other show Broadchurch, and not let other people a try.
Her interview suggested that while Chibnall said she should audition, the part wasn't hers alone. There was still a "fight" for the role.

Quote from: Theblazeuk on 17 July, 2017, 09:50:01 AMI know we've all been doing it, but comparing Ghostbusters to Doctor Who isn't quite appropriate.
It's not the same at all, I agree, but the manner in which people (and by people, I mostly mean middle-aged white men) lost their minds about it has that familiarity that we see so often. (See also: Thor/Captain America changes in Marvel, for example.)

To my mind, the original Ghostbusters is a decent movie, and the follow-up is fairly mediocre. (The original also has some really horrible sexism in it, which people merrily gloss over.) The latest one for me was somewhere between the two. I liked most of the characters, but felt it had too many references to the original. It was breezy and fun, but had a weak and too lengthy last third. But I ended the film wanting to see more; and moreover, I saw loads of photos of little girls 'being' ghostbusters. It's that last thing that really cements things for me.

For the most part – with only a few exceptions – girls have had relatively few role models in fantasy. We see massive movie franchises where women are vastly outnumbered or have to play combination/support roles. Even Harry Potter, laudable as though that series is, had boys outnumbering girls 2:1 in the leads, and heavily elsewhere. And this all comes back to what I've been told as a parent time and time again: girls and women will consume media led by boys and men, and even aspire to 'be' those characters, but the reverse is not true. Again, look at most TV shows and movies, and count the speaking roles. Look at the crowd scenes. As someone noted online – and then got shit for – the new Planet of the Apes movie fails the Bechdel Test to the level it doesn't even have speaking roles of note for any female characters. That's insane in 2017.

That all needs to change. If a female-led Ghostbusters can be a step on that road, great. And if you don't like the film, the original's still on the shelf. A female Doctor? Go for it. I've seen loads of parents of daughters say their kids are overjoyed about this. There's a video doing the rounds on Twitter of someone having filmed their daughter watching the announcement. Her face when that hood goes down and she realises what's happening is a treat. "The new Doctor's a girl! Like me!" Until now, they could aspire to be a companion (which in at least some of the nu-Who run is at least a good thing, rather than screaming eye-candy for dads), but in a series about a time-travelling shape-shifting alien in a box that's bigger on the inside, why not take this extra  leap?

I just hope it works, because otherwise we have the most negative aspect of Ghostbusters again. The response to that has made people cautious about trying the same thing again. I'd hate to have a mayfly woman Doctor, and for the show to never try that in the future.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Dudley on 17 July, 2017, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 16 July, 2017, 11:25:24 PM
The Doctor as an identification figure for geeky/spectrum kids like myself shouldn't be underestimated.  It is hard to think of another character in popular fiction who fulfilled that asexual/non aggressive male persona.

There's a lot of talk about just how important representation is for minorities, so if you wanted to be geeky about it, you could say the Doctor was fulfilling just that for atypical boys.

If you had asked me a while back, I'd have been wary just on that basis. but then you realise there are geeky/spectrum females who haven't even had the luxury of one role model - the fact we can share ours with them is rather wonderful, no?

That is really very well put. 
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2017, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: Modern Panther on 17 July, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
As has been said on another thread just recently, compared to vast areas of the internet this forum is the pinnacle of decorum and intelligent debate.  You people are just freaking charming.


Perhaps I should be saying this on the other thread, but part of it is surely that many of us actually meet up with each other in real life (at signings, pub meets, conventions, etc) and so we can't pretend that the people behind the words are just digital signals instead of real people.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 17 July, 2017, 11:48:58 AM
Can I just check something for a moment.  We do all get that this is the discussion about the casting of a fictional character on what is supposedly a children's television program.  To quote the immortal bard:

Quote"Hey man!  Why can't everybody just, y'know, be friends and everything?"
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Theblazeuk on 17 July, 2017, 12:56:36 PM
Yes TJM :)

In other news here are a small selection of comments from /R/DoctorWho on reddit:

The main character underwent a fucking sexchange, of course people are pissed off. The doctor has always been a fucking male. This is social justice once again fucking ruining shit. First marvel comics and now this horse shit.
I'm fucking done.


Oh, come on. For nearly 50 years there wasn't even a whisper of it being a possibility. No precedence whatsoever. Then they force the narrative down our throats that it is and that the Doctor could be female to transparently prepare us for this. It's insulting. (A certain type of person is obsessed with things being rammed 'down our throats', don't you find?)

Don't wanna be sexist, but this kind of sucks

What's next, a female Sherlock Holmes? A female James Bond? Or maybe a female Shakespeare? Why not a female King Arthur? A female Robin Hood?
Really, this ain't misogyny, it's nothing against women. It's a traditional character, they should have come up with a female Time Lord to be his ally or something like that.


SJW, SJW, SJW, Pandering, BBC shoving political correctness, government organisation shouldn't be doing this, what is with this women are better than men narrative, SJW, they turned Starbuck into a woman and I didn't watch it and I won't watch this (Fool), etc etc etc.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 17 July, 2017, 01:04:10 PM
Wow.  Just .... Wow.

Tim Berners-Lee must be turning in his grave at the use his invention is being put to!

::)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 17 July, 2017, 01:27:31 PM
Don't look at the comments on the Sun Website.

Then again, why would you want too? (I know, I know. Curiosity got the better of me.)

The article itself focussed on the saucy stuff in her previous roles (like that's the main thing she did). Here's a quote:

"But now she is swapping taking off clothes for taking off in The Tardis." ::)  :lol:

They have their priorities right at least...

... but then it IS the Sun.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Theblazeuk on 17 July, 2017, 01:34:34 PM
God knows what its like over on the DM. YouTube comments are of course just as fun:

Utter BBC bollocks.
First the ugly assistant now the woman
Are the BBC ticking boxes here?


NEVER WATCHING THIS SHOW EVER AGAIN


GD SJWs had to go screw up Dr Who. Almost all the whiny lil feminazis and beta males wanting a female Doctor aren't even fans. So to appease the SJW crowd they cast a female and then will cry when Dr Who ratings drop and it will be a FEMALE Doctor that will have killed off the longest sci-fi franchise! No wonder Collin Baker applauded this, he can give up the title as worst Doctor ever!

It's been said in other threads (The guy who decried how Pat Mills was being forced to right lefty stuff...riiight) but it's amazing how people can watch this stuff and enjoy it at all, given the difference between their viewpoint and the actual content of the shows and what it depicts as heroism.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 17 July, 2017, 01:44:46 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 17 July, 2017, 01:27:31 PM
Don't look at the comments on the Sun Website.

Then again, why would you want too? (I know, I know. Curiosity got the better of me.)

I think it's the online equivalent of driving past a multi car pile up and rubber necking.

Made the mistake with the Express website the other day.  Still can't get myself clean ....
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 17 July, 2017, 01:50:06 PM
Given that we all seem to be having a perfectly sensible conversation about this, I'm not sure importing frothing misogynist rhetoric from the comments section of other sites is particularly desirable...
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 17 July, 2017, 01:57:08 PM
Aw, come on, .... where's your sense of humour? 

No one ever got hurt playing with hand grenades now did they ....

;)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 July, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
Again, this: https://twitter.com/Jenny_Trout/status/886615696062459908

And this: https://twitter.com/myskewedview/status/886624370390708225

And this: https://twitter.com/retroremakes/status/886639699263201280

And so on. (Also: although I quite like Thor, I've rather been enjoying the newer take on the character, albeit in the Panini reprints that are about a year behind. Quite why people are so angry about a woman taking on the mantle when Thor was once a frog, I don't know. And from other Panini stuff, the Marvel movie I most want now is Ms. Marvel. Or a TV series.)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 17 July, 2017, 02:37:02 PM
I was just thinking the other day, a film* based on the second Ms Marvel would be nice. I picked up the first issues a while back, and they were quite enjoyable. Ticks all the diversity boxes, but is a nice little yarn from the teenage girl POV in its own right.

No doubt a film based on the first Ms Marvel, will probably happen first, although I think they'll go straight to her role as Captain Marvel.

Both are welcome.

*Actually, a series might be even better. Should be a bit lighter and breezy compared to the super gritty Netflix stuff (much as I like it). Aimed at a more family audience.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Theblazeuk on 17 July, 2017, 02:41:21 PM
Ah that'll be the end of it, but just to demonstrate that the backlash/frothing isn't all a matter of hype. It does exist and it is being put out there. This is an island of sanity and respect amidst a sea of shite.

Edit - I missed the other thread, oh dear.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 17 July, 2017, 02:51:02 PM
On Ms. Marvel, I suppose it depends what route they take. My thinking with Ms. Marvel (new version) was mostly that the comics are fun. They are an enjoyable read and as such, it would be interesting to see that on the screen. But the diversity angle doesn't hurt. And for all of the ranting and raving from various parties about representation – and, don't get me wrong, because there are a lot of problems there – we seem to be in a position where even in the UK, a lot of that argument surrounds black people. Asians are, for whatever reason, broadly ignored.

I saw this with Doctor Who of late. Apparently, the finale was considered problematic by some in the USA, due to what happened to Bill (black) being turned into "something to fear". That had literally never crossed my mind (and responses I got on Twitter suggested the same from other Brits and Australians). I have no idea if that's because I'm white, or because the nature of being black in the USA is different from in the UK. And also there are the demographics – 13% in the US compared to just 3% in the UK. Similarly, I've seen people in the US genuinely angry another white person's been cast – and although they have a point, the argument appears to be that the Doctor should now be black. But again, in a British show, why is that such a thing? Surely, if the Doctor wasn't going to be white, Asian actors should (Asians being 7% of the population) get a look in too?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Keef Monkey on 17 July, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
Seems to be that usually when a group of folk announce they're outraged by a piece of casting for these kind of reasons and start fuming all over the web and declaring they'll be boycotting it, it seemingly has no impact whatsoever (fair enough Ghostbusters underperformed but can't help but think that was down to underwhelming trailers more than anything - other 'boycotted' PC gone mad movies like Fury Road and the recent Star Wars movies barrelled through such complaints apparently completely unscathed).

I really hope that's the case here, as there is a certain satisfaction in seeing it repeatedly proven out that no matter how loud some idiots rail against things online and no matter how much the offended parties think the world should revolve around their opinions it really, really doesn't and they just wind up looking very silly.

I haven't actually watched Dr Who for years (sort of drifted away towards the end of the Matt Smith era) but did love it for a long time and this seems like the kind of shake-up that could possibly bring me back to give it another go.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tiplodocus on 17 July, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
"first the ugly assistant"
Genuinely confused by this. Do they mean the Sontaran? He might have been a looker  by Sontaran standards.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 17 July, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
I always thought K-9 was a bit of a dog myself.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tiplodocus on 17 July, 2017, 03:45:44 PM
Woof!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JamesC on 17 July, 2017, 04:12:28 PM
I'm always excited to see a new actor take on the role of the Doctor and this is no exception. Let's all hope for some good stories.

Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 17 July, 2017, 05:10:46 PM
Matt Lucas's tweet responding to the casting (https://mobile.twitter.com/RealMattLucas/status/886640401553031168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.denofgeek.com%2Fuk%2Fmovies%2Fstar-wars-episode-viii%2F39295%2Fstar-wars-the-last-jedi-new-posters-new-footage) made me laugh. Or maybe I'm just easily amused...

😁
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Andy Lambert on 17 July, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
Well, I just wanna say welcome to the TARDIS, Jodie - good luck and have fun! :)

(http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j41/zygon1971/Doctor%2013_zpszgmgzmcz.jpg)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: von Boom on 17 July, 2017, 05:38:01 PM
I, for one, welcome our new Gallifrayean Time Lord.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 17 July, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
Well, at least someone didn't photoshop that Katy Manning photo.

::)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 17 July, 2017, 05:48:55 PM
Nice article by Colin Baker - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/17/colin-baker-doctor-who-female-lead-doctor-jodie-whittaker-inspire-fans
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 20 July, 2017, 02:56:52 PM
(http://images1.tickld.com/live/28968.jpg)

Add your own caption...

Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 20 July, 2017, 03:59:10 PM
"This is what happens when you let a woman do the parking."

(..... and duck!)

;)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 20 July, 2017, 06:53:52 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 20 July, 2017, 02:56:52 PM
(http://images1.tickld.com/live/28968.jpg)

Add your own caption...
I can't see the picture
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 20 July, 2017, 07:32:58 PM
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Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 20 July, 2017, 08:44:38 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 20 July, 2017, 07:32:58 PM
images1.tickld.com/live/28968.jpg
Oh... ::)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Tjm86 on 25 July, 2017, 02:58:09 PM
At last,

the true reason for the casting decision is revealed. (http://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/07/16/austerity-measures-mean-bbc-can-only-afford-to-employ-woman-as-next-doctor-who/)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Mardroid on 25 July, 2017, 03:36:52 PM
That's funny.  :lol:

I was actually a bit worried, then the penny dropped.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Proudhuff on 25 July, 2017, 03:45:34 PM
I'm outraged at the lack of outrage on this thread and am now going to boycott it, unless I see something here to get outraged at!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Theblazeuk on 25 July, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
I keep forgetting the Rochdale Herald exists, weird thing to associate with the hometown.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: edgeworthy on 25 July, 2017, 09:00:15 PM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 25 July, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
I keep forgetting the Rochdale Herald exists, weird thing to associate with the hometown.
In Richmond & Twickenham the Local Paper is "The Informer"!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Proudhuff on 26 July, 2017, 01:58:04 PM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 25 July, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
I keep forgetting the Rochdale Herald exists, weird thing to associate with the hometown.

Never mind, I keep forgetting the Rochdale exists. ;)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Hawkmumbler on 26 July, 2017, 02:00:02 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 26 July, 2017, 01:58:04 PM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 25 July, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
I keep forgetting the Rochdale Herald exists, weird thing to associate with the hometown.

Never mind, I keep forgetting the Rochdale exists. ;)
WakkaWakkaWakka!!!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Pete Wells on 26 July, 2017, 03:02:26 PM
Knock, knock!
Who's there?
A woman doctor.
A woman doctor who?
Waaaagh! F*cking BBC have ruined my life, etc.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: ABCwarBOT on 26 July, 2017, 10:24:29 PM
The Doctor's lost his man sausage and grown a pair of mammary glands.   It's Carry On Doctor for the new Millenium. :lol:
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Goaty on 26 July, 2017, 10:47:46 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 July, 2017, 10:24:29 PM
The Doctor's lost his man sausage and grown a pair of mammary glands.   It's Carry On Doctor for the new Millenium. :lol:

Be pride and proud as we got lesbian woman Doctor!
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 26 July, 2017, 11:04:21 PM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 26 July, 2017, 10:24:29 PM
The Doctor's lost his man sausage and grown a pair of mammary glands.   It's Carry On Doctor for the new Millenium. :lol:

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Quote from: Goaty on 26 July, 2017, 10:47:46 PM
Be pride and proud as we got lesbian woman Doctor!

I have no idea what you mean by this.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Theblazeuk on 27 July, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: edgeworthy on 25 July, 2017, 09:00:15 PM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 25 July, 2017, 04:07:11 PM
I keep forgetting the Rochdale Herald exists, weird thing to associate with the hometown.
In Richmond & Twickenham the Local Paper is "The Informer"!

Weirdly enough that is where I live at the moment, and sadly (?) The Informer seems to have been replaced by the more generic 'Times' over a decade ago.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: sheridan on 27 July, 2017, 01:03:10 PM
This is why we need positive trans role models (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40735545).
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 July, 2017, 02:05:21 PM
A polite reminder that the last Doctor Who thread got locked due to a slew of unacceptable posts.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 28 July, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
Well ignoring some comments here, a nice article on LGBTQ characters/fans in Doctor Who as we celebrate 50th anniversary of the decriminalisation of homosexuality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg5BWxatZEU
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Rately on 28 July, 2017, 02:51:22 PM
If only people were able to get as outraged at issues that really mattered in the world.

Really looking forward to seeing a new dynamic, new ideas, outlooks on the show. Capaldi was amazing in the role, and I'm sure Jodie will be every bit his match.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 22 August, 2017, 05:57:05 PM
Bradley Walsh?!

Well, if it's true, it's certainly not a predictable choice...
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 05:59:02 PM
Smacks more of a companion in a story rather than the companion. At least, I hope so. I'm not against him being in the series, but as the sole companion, he's a weird choice, and not one I imagine would claw back the lost demographic of younglings.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Greg M. on 22 August, 2017, 06:16:12 PM
It's so odd, I almost hope it's true. Recurring role as actual companion's dad or similar Jackie Tyler / Wilf Mott figure seems plausible.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 22 August, 2017, 06:18:37 PM
Quote from: Rately on 28 July, 2017, 02:51:22 PM
If only people were able to get as outraged at issues that really mattered in the world.
How do you know they don't?
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 23 August, 2017, 10:48:08 AM
Is it because they're going to remake the first doctor story The Chase?
;)
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: IAMTHESYSTEM on 23 August, 2017, 11:49:05 AM
Wonder if they're going to have another female companion to compliment Mr Walsh if he is the new Doctors partner? The first incarnation of the Doctor on television had a couple of Teachers as companions in An Unearthly Child, and they were our p.o.v characters. Perhaps the Producers are going back to the original B/W series for inspiration while modernising the Dr Who story with the first Female Doctor Who but I'm surprised they didn't go for someone younger.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: JLC on 23 August, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 August, 2017, 05:59:02 PM
Smacks more of a companion in a story rather than the companion. At least, I hope so. I'm not against him being in the series, but as the sole companion, he's a weird choice, and not one I imagine would claw back the lost demographic of younglings.
Yes, like Tate in The Runaway Bride. & maybe comeback later?

Walsh from what I've seen him in does remind me of a male equivalent to Tate.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 23 August, 2017, 12:27:21 PM
Quote from: JLC on 23 August, 2017, 12:03:22 PM
Walsh from what I've seen him in does remind me of a male equivalent to Tate.

I haven't seen it, but he's been in 53 episodes of Law & Order: UK (and a slight Who connection via The Sarah Jane Adventures) so it's not like he's been dumped into the series with no track record of 'straight' acting experience.
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Jimmy Baker's Assistant on 23 August, 2017, 07:41:34 PM
Bradley Walsh would be a very strange choice.

And by "strange" I mean "terrible".
Title: Re: New Doctor
Post by: Rudolph88 on 23 August, 2017, 10:43:16 PM
I've really been enjoying all the comments about how Doctor Who has been taken over by 'feminists', 'liberals' and 'the PC brigade'.

I must have missed that season where he travelled through time and space building walls to keep immigrants out.