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GRIM RUMOURS ABOUT NEW STAR TREK:DISCOVERY SERIES

Started by IAMTHESYSTEM, 03 March, 2017, 01:45:55 PM

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TordelBack

Yeah, personally  I really enjoyed the surprise of it all. That's a rare thing these days. Gives me an immediate investment in whatever comes next.

The Legendary Shark

I've just watched the first four episodes of The Orville and found them quite enjoyable. Sure, it's unashamedly Star Trek with fake number plates and a respray and the humour feels a little forced sometimes but apart from that it's not bad at all. It's no Babylon 5 but it's better than most of Voyager and I'd put Episode Three on a par with all but the cream of TNG. If they could just shift the humour so it comes more from the situations and character interactions rather than forced one-liners and such I think it'd be as good as a Trek clone can get. Looking forward to more.

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Professor Bear

I thought episode 3 of The Orville was some fine-ass television.  "A race of gay men go to court to enforce FGM on a baby" sounds like a setup for a poor-taste Family Guy joke (probably one of Brian's terrible ideas for a novel), but Orville spins a good yarn out of it, and trusts its audience to a degree I haven't seen in sci-fi for quite some time.  It trusts you to figure out on your own that [spoiler]women are born to the Moclan race all the time, that their society covers it up, and that despite his representing the liberal POV in the story, Bortus will never tell his son that he was born female - making the final line utterly fucking heartbreaking.  And did I imagine it or did that reveal about the female philosopher/writer owe something to the final act of Terry Pratchett's Monstrous Regiment?[/spoiler]
You could argue that my expectations were lowered by the script being by a man known for dick jokes - the first joke of the episode is literally a joke where an alien shows someone his dick - and directed by Brannon Braga, but even if that were the case, well played.  That was some fine managing of expectations.

The Legendary Shark

Strongly agree, Prof. It also impressed me that the [spoiler]tribunal's decision was a more realistic, "fuck you, this is the way we do things here" rather than a TNG "hooray, stoopid aliens see the light" kind thing. [/spoiler]

Episode 4 was a bit more pedestrian but solid enough but [spoiler]what a waste of a good cameo! I get that they only had Liam for a short time but just using him as a throwaway 'Captain Exposition' was an almost criminal act.[/spoiler]

The humour, for me, is just on the right side of making this a sci-fi show with humour in it and not a comedy sci-fi show, which I appreciate. A few more instalments like Ep 3 and I think The Orville has the potential to be a well-loved little series - even though it doesn't seem to deserve its own thread (which I think is kind of cute, leaving it not buried or obscured exactly but in the right place for proper sci-fi fans to know where it is).

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JLC

Quote from: Professor Bear on 30 September, 2017, 11:02:27 PM
I thought episode 3 of The Orville was some fine-ass television.  "A race of gay men go to court to enforce FGM on a baby" sounds like a setup for a poor-taste Family Guy joke (probably one of Brian's terrible ideas for a novel), but Orville spins a good yarn out of it, and trusts its audience to a degree I haven't seen in sci-fi for quite some time.  It trusts you to figure out on your own that [spoiler]women are born to the Moclan race all the time, that their society covers it up, and that despite his representing the liberal POV in the story, Bortus will never tell his son that he was born female - making the final line utterly fucking heartbreaking.  And did I imagine it or did that reveal about the female philosopher/writer owe something to the final act of Terry Pratchett's Monstrous Regiment?[/spoiler]
You could argue that my expectations were lowered by the script being by a man known for dick jokes - the first joke of the episode is literally a joke where an alien shows someone his dick - and directed by Brannon Braga, but even if that were the case, well played.  That was some fine managing of expectations.
Yep this was a better epsiode, but again the terrible moments of humour lets the whole thing down.

Smith

Maybe start a different thread about Orville.Just saiyan.

blackmocco

Jason Isaacs is a bit good, isn't he? Loved that. A much clearer direction now for the show. A few lovely ship-porn shots. Loving Discovery's design. A nice shift from the Shenzou to the cleaner lines of classic Trek. "Is he shushing you...!?"[spoiler] A GORN SKELETON![/spoiler]

I honestly understand why this show, based on last night's, is going to leave some Trek fans cold. It's much more in line with BSG in tone and content. Definitely a version of the show we've never seen before (even if DS9 came somewhat close with the Dominion War) and that's what I was hoping for. Still not perfect but as a first season setting something up, really, really enjoying it.
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Goaty

Really enjoy the latest episode, I love Discovery ship and the Captain!

Really dark episode and enjoying it

Tjm86

Finally got round to binge watching the first three episodes and I can see, as has already been said, where the discontent is coming from.  This is most definitely a very different beast.  Hints of old Trek to be sure but intermixed with the brutality of BSG or the Expanse, with a touch of humour a la Firefly.  Maybe there is hope for it yet.

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von Boom

Isaacs is not your typical Starfleet captain, is he? Dark, sullen, and very much a man with secrets to keep. He seems to be taking this war very personally. Are we sure this isn't the mirrorverse?

blackmocco

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JLC

Quote from: von Boom on 02 October, 2017, 09:09:39 PM
Are we sure this isn't the mirrorverse?
|I hope not. That would be a cheap silly cop out to appease moany fans complaining about it being all dark!

TordelBack

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So episode 3 was good too. Love the look of Discovery herself, despite earlier reservations I'm happy to admit that going back to the TMP/Phase 2 concept art was a damn good plan: there's a cohesiveness and slight famiiarity that really works. Thing I'm enjoying most so far is just how unexpected it all is. If we can't have proper Trek on telly, may as well have something new. After all, it didn't start life as nostalgia.

Professor Bear

Did I miss the reason she started quoting Alice In Wonderland while crawling about those Jeffries?  I mean, obviously I just assumed it was because we're still in the "Bryan Fuller had a hand in this bit" stage of the show, but just wondered if I'd missed something specific that rationalised it apart from the character's nostalgia.
Also I know it's only just started, but I am sick of this redemption arc stuff already.