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El Spurioso · 29 October, 2001, 10:21:57 PM

Do you have ANY idea how ridiculous you sound?

Ker-rikey.

El Spurioso · 29 October, 2001, 10:26:37 PM

>And as you are a writer; love to hear your ideas for >a Dredd screenplay.

>Oh but you haven't posted any here, have you.

>Let me hear your ideas.

See what I mean? You write-out a great long message to help the poor delusional chap, and he ignores the lot and picks-up on your bracketed sig. Yeesh.

Jim_Campbell · 29 October, 2001, 10:35:04 PM

> On the subject of dialogue, reread my stooges.
> There was dialogue in that.

Yes, there was. And it sucked.

> Dredd to himself:I think we can determine they
> are Simps!

Surely:

Dredd (thinks): They're Simps all right!

See the difference? It's shorter and it actually _sounds_ like Dredd ...

Or:

>It is true what they say. The only good simp is a
> dead one.

"It is true what they say"? Come _on_, Scojo ...! Where in God's name do you live if people actually talk like that? I refer you to my previous advice - read every line aloud. If it doesn't sound right, it won't look right on paper. That simple.

A screenwriter should know that ...

Cheers

Jim

Thread Zero · 29 October, 2001, 10:54:03 PM

The reason I haven't posted any ideas for a Dredd screenplay, you plonker, is because I'm a professional writer.

Professional writers don't give their ideas away on internet bulletin boards. Ideas are the currency we make our living from.

If you had any iota of sense or understanding, you'd realise that.

I've got loads of Dredd ideas. And guess what? Instead of giving them away free on the internet, I put 'em to good use. Writing Dredd stories for 2000AD and the Megazine.

That is the most pathetic reason ever.

I have 2 scripts with agents in the US and I posted my suggestions.

Anyone can criticise but it is harder to prove your own worth.

Isn't it?

I say you Milo are a coward.
Prove me wrong.

scojo who gives examples

Thread Zero · 29 October, 2001, 10:56:52 PM

Do you have ANY idea how ridiculous you sound?

I assume you are referring to me.

Who knows?
Vague you are.

Criticism is the easiest thing in the world.

Never forget that.

scojo

Thread Zero · 29 October, 2001, 10:59:56 PM

See what I mean? You write-out a great long message to help the poor delusional chap, and he ignores the lot and picks-up on your bracketed sig. Yeesh.

The fact he won't provide me with one idea shows how hypocritical Milo is.

Attack me yes but oh no, I can't show scojo an idea.

Too much to ask for I guess.

scojo the ideas king

W. R. Logan · 29 October, 2001, 11:05:57 PM

>Get home, read his strip and see.
>It is has Ace Garp [backslash]"The Great Mush Rush[backslash]" on the cover.

That must be the one with the letter from Stewart Perkins in, what a classic that was.

Ah the list of classic Letters to The Green Droid:
http://www.subhuman.net/cybergoth/classof79/website.htm

written by some clueless hack 8-)

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.

Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theclassof79" target="_blank">Class Of '79

http://www.subhuman.net/cybergoth/classof79/images/Co79_logo.gif">

Thread Zero · 29 October, 2001, 11:07:15 PM

> Dredd to himself:I think we can determine they
> are Simps!

Surely:

Dredd (thinks): They're Simps all right!

See the difference? It's shorter and it actually _sounds_ like Dredd ...

Or:

>It is true what they say. The only good simp is a
> dead one.

"It is true what they say"? Come _on_, Scojo ...! Where in God's name do you live if people actually talk like that? I refer you to my previous advice - read every line aloud. If it doesn't sound right, it won't look right on paper. That simple.

A screenwriter should know that ...

Jim,
If you had read properly, Dredd says " I think we can determine they are simps" after one of them throws a gun at him.

See, the simp doesn't fire the gun, he throws it.

Oh yeah I get it now says Jim!

As for the only good one remark, John Wagner used that in a Meg strip. The New Labour satire story.
Last panel.
The politician is dead. Says something similar.
MEG NO 44, MAY 98.

Oh well, Jim, I guess poor old John wagner sucks at dialogue too!
Shame he created the character too.

scojo

W. R. Logan · 29 October, 2001, 11:09:00 PM

>Ah the list of classic Letters to The Green Droid:

Damn my spellchecker 8-)

That should read:

Ah the list of classic Letters to The Green Dude:
http://www.subhuman.net/cybergoth/classof79/website.htm

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.

Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theclassof79" target="_blank">Class Of '79

http://www.subhuman.net/cybergoth/classof79/images/Co79_logo.gif">

Thread Zero · 29 October, 2001, 11:12:31 PM

By the way Logan, tell Jim that dredd says "the only good " remark in meg 44 may 1998.

My stooge script had dredd saying something similar. Apperently Jim says it is unreal language.It sucks.

Shame Wagner's Dredd said something similar.

As for that fs in prog 251, it is not a classic.
Internal logic?
Why are the characters the only people with fuel?
See what I mean?

scojo

Jim_Campbell · 29 October, 2001, 11:16:51 PM

> Oh yeah I get it now says Jim!

I got it the first time, Scojo. Which is why my alternative line has the exact same _meaning_ as your original ... what I was attempting to show you was how your choice of specific _words_ can be used to convey character and, as a general rule, ought to resemble speech patterns that people might actually _use_.

I would have thought a screenwriter, whose words are actually going to have to be read _aloud_ might have some grasp of this ...

> As for the only good one remark, John Wagner
> used that in a Meg strip. The New Labour satire
> story.
> Last panel.
> The politician is dead. Says something similar.

I was pointing out that 'It is true what they say' ... those _exact_ words ... are not a realistic representation of speech patterns and particularly don't sound anything like Dredd's speech patterns.

Dredd's a taciturn bugger not prone to over-wordage and would consequently say:

"True what they say - only good Simp's a dead one."

Jesus! What? Am I conducting Dialogue Writing 101 here ...?

Cheers

Jim

nathan · 29 October, 2001, 11:21:16 PM

Pay attention, scojo!

Jim said:
' "It is true what they say"? Come _on_, Scojo ...! Where in God's name do you live if people actually talk like that?'

If you had read his post properly, you would have seen he isn't referring to the "the only good simp" line you admit to having pinched from Wagner.

Do yourself a favour and read what people are saying before flying off up the wrong tree, barking!

N

W. R. Logan · 29 October, 2001, 11:22:06 PM

>That is the most pathetic reason ever.

>I have 2 scripts with agents in the US and I posted my suggestions.

>Anyone can criticise but it is harder to prove your own worth.

>Isn[backslash]'t it?

>I say you Milo are a coward.
>Prove me wrong.

I'd say you were wrong.

During a conversation with Alan Grant (W. R. Logan copyrighted name drop) I once started talking aboput stories thatw ere going to appear in the Class Of '79. Before I could even begin Alan stopped me, because as a writer he comes up with ideas and writes scripts regularly and couldn't promise that at a future date an idea would come into his head that we'd discussed. So Milo's suggestion that as a professional writer you don't share ideas as you can never truly swear that on a cold winters night when an idea pops into your head where it may have come from.

On the script droids yahoo group aspiring writers are always sending in their ideas to be discussed and improved upon, but the difference here is that you can prove if someone has taken your idea because one of the members would have to take the idea you originally posted.

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.

Link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theclassof79" target="_blank">The Class Of '79

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Jim_Campbell · 29 October, 2001, 11:24:28 PM

> Shame Wagner's Dredd said something similar.

Similar. Not the same. I took maybe three words out of your original line to make it sound like a line Dredd might actually deliver.

If you spent even 30 seconds studying the way in which Wagner constructs Dredd's dialogue, you'd see the difference.

All right. So you don't think I'm attacking your work, here's two completely hypothetical examples:

1 - "I will have to teach this criminal a lesson!"

2 - "Creep's asking for a beating!"

Can you not see how both lines contain the same basic meaning but example 2 is a) shorter (golden rule in comics scripting!) and b) actually _sounds_ like Dredd?

This ain't rocket science, Scojo - this is nuts 'n' bolts writing. So ... either you don't understand this most basic of principals or you're being deliberately obtuse in order to have an argument.

Which is it?

Cheers

Jim

Thread Zero · 29 October, 2001, 11:29:18 PM

I was pointing out that 'It is true what they say' ... those _exact_ words ... are not a realistic representation of speech patterns and particularly don't sound anything like Dredd's speech patterns.

Dredd's a taciturn bugger not prone to over-wordage and would consequently say:

"True what they say - only good Simp's a dead one."

Jesus! What? Am I conducting Dialogue Writing 101 here ...?

What are you on man?

Dredd says in "Sex Lies and Vidslugs"

"THEY SAY THE ONLY GOOD POLITICIAN IS A DEAD ONE."

My Dredd says
"IT IS TRUE WHAT THEY SAY..."

What are you arguing about?

To say you are clutching at straws to criticise me is an insult to hay!

scojo