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Title: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 19 April, 2017, 09:18:18 AM
Not sure if anyone listening to this...

http://cradeline.com/space-spinner-2000/2017/4/19/space-spinner-2000-ep-26-new-listeners-start-here (http://cradeline.com/space-spinner-2000/2017/4/19/space-spinner-2000-ep-26-new-listeners-start-here)

An American take on early 2000AD.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 19 April, 2017, 12:21:52 PM
I've been listening to this since it started.  Their Bill Savage impersonation needs to be heard to be believed!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 15 May, 2017, 12:43:14 AM
Hadn't been, but going to start.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 15 May, 2017, 02:03:40 AM
It's very entertaining! Just listening to them chanting 'Klegg Hai!' is a joy. It's a real voyage of discovery for them, and they're loving it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 May, 2017, 01:38:15 PM
Got the day off work, have read my weekly prog and have it blasting through the flat so I can hear it in just about any room :D  On the second installment now.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 24 May, 2017, 08:01:47 PM
It's excellent! Thanks for sharing it on the forums; such a joy to hear someone being super affectionate about a comic that he'd barely heard of before, and the chap reading it all for the second time clearly has a deep abiding love 2000AD as well. I do hope they keep going; gotta admit that there's an awful lot of material in podcast/blog form about the really early tooth, but increasingly less as the Prog numbers rise.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 May, 2017, 09:14:25 PM
Thanks everyone! It's great to hear people liking the show, it's a ton of fun making it.

Besides our website you can find the show on iTunes, the Google Play store, and most podcast apps. We're currently doing two shows a week and making pretty good progress through the Progs (as well as the SciFi Specials and Annuals).

I definitely agree that the first couple years of 2000 AD can be over represented in recap efforts, it's sort of the nature of the beast, as otherwise you have to figure out a semi-arbitrary start point, you know? On our show we're getting every closer to the 80s, where all the classics live :D At this point we have no plan of stopping, our current goal is to put out two shows a week until we reach the Megazine, then we'll have to figure stuff out. But that's a 2019 problem ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 30 May, 2017, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 May, 2017, 09:14:25 PM
Thanks everyone! It's great to hear people liking the show, it's a ton of fun making it.

Besides our website you can find the show on iTunes, the Google Play store, and most podcast apps. We're currently doing two shows a week and making pretty good progress through the Progs (as well as the SciFi Specials and Annuals).

I definitely agree that the first couple years of 2000 AD can be over represented in recap efforts, it's sort of the nature of the beast, as otherwise you have to figure out a semi-arbitrary start point, you know? On our show we're getting every closer to the 80s, where all the classics live :D At this point we have no plan of stopping, our current goal is to put out two shows a week until we reach the Megazine, then we'll have to figure stuff out. But that's a 2019 problem ;)

Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 May, 2017, 11:06:19 PM
I just binge-listened to the first 30 on my morning commute and now I'm following them as they come out (and I'm very happy they've gone to twice a week). 

t's great fun, the guys' enthusiasm is infectious, and it's at it's best when they discuss 70s British references and wonder about things like Weetabix, Pickled Onion Outer Spacers and endless stamp coolection ads.Their love for Invasion and Shako in partuicular was great to listen to, and it's okay guys, nobody liked Rick Random.

I've seen a few things with a new perspective through their eyes - such as the fact that Dan Dare is a genocidal dickhead who wins more by luck than judgement and invariably gets ALL his crew killed. Also, I knew Dredd wasn't keen on robots, but didn't appreciate just how consistently robo-racist he's been from day one - whether they're rebelling or kissing his boots, he hates 'em all.

They're a little harsh on the specials and annuals - jeez guys, reading a few actual words won't kill ya, and those space articles were cutting-edge in 1978!

The one thing that invariably bugs me though is the mispronunciation of names - it's GERRY (same as Jerry) Finlay Day, not Garry! Oh and the downside of listening to them on the morning commute is that they frame each episode with a chart song from that month, which can be real nostalgic earworms. It's embarrasing to spend a whole day singing Silver Lady or Figaro!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 31 May, 2017, 08:25:35 AM
The music of the week really sets the scene, and yeah the enthusiasm is infectious. I think the whole package is like opening up a time capsule including the non-thrills, ads etc which you don't get with the trades.

It passed me by how much of a genocidal maniac DD was as well.

Favouwite episode was the one with the Dwedd episode weviewed with a tewwifyingly accuwate pwonunication.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 31 May, 2017, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 31 May, 2017, 08:25:35 AM
Favouwite episode was the one with the Dwedd episode weviewed with a tewwifyingly accuwate pwonunication.

My favourite was the one where Conrad reads an utterly bonkers (but completely accurate!) synopsis of Angel while Fox looses it in the background.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: 8-Ball on 31 May, 2017, 12:39:00 PM
Had a quick listen to a random episode last night, superb. I especially liked the Invasion stuff.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: skurvy on 31 May, 2017, 12:54:06 PM
It's my new favourite podcast, I absolutely love it. I also really want a "quack, quack Volgs" t-shirt now.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 May, 2017, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 30 May, 2017, 11:06:19 PM
They're a little harsh on the specials and annuals - jeez guys, reading a few actual words won't kill ya, and those space articles were cutting-edge in 1978!

The one thing that invariably bugs me though is the mispronunciation of names - it's GERRY (same as Jerry) Finlay Day, not Garry! Oh and the downside of listening to them on the morning commute is that they frame each episode with a chart song from that month, which can be real nostalgic earworms. It's embarrasing to spend a whole day singing Silver Lady or Figaro!

Oh man, that's really embarrasing about Gerry Finlay-Day, I swear I've seen that name pronounced elsewhere as "Gary" but I will change my pronounciation going forward (it may take a while for it to filter into the episodes, we're pretty far ahead in terms of taping). I think we are a bit harsher on Annuals and Specials than we could be, usually it's just that the content in general isn't as good as the regular progs and the short stories and features bear the brunt of that.

I'm always happy to put weird ear-worms in people's heads from the opening songs! I always end of bopping along to some old disco track or something, and there was one really funny day at the office when Fox came in singing "Take a Chance on Me" uncontrollably because of the show :D


Quote from: skurvyIt's my new favourite podcast, I absolutely love it. I also really want a "quack, quack Volgs" t-shirt now
Invasion remains a favorite of ours, and coming up there's a call back to "quack, quack Volgs" during our coverage of Disaster 1990 that I think is pretty hilarious!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 31 May, 2017, 03:19:06 PM
It's true the annuals and specials aren't as good as the prog - even as a kid I could tell when a story was recycled filler or when a writer doesn't "get" a character - but I must disagree that a 10yr old would skip the features, quizzes and text stories: trust me, if you're stuck on a wet campsite in Wales for 2 weeks with no TV you'd read that sucker cover to cover several times!!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 May, 2017, 04:45:34 PM
Haha, that's definitely fair. It's easy to forget what it's like a kid without a lot of options! I'm trying to interact with the Annuals and Specials a bit more, we do a couple quizzes in the '79 Sci Fi Special, and another in the Annual. My goal is to positive when possible!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 31 May, 2017, 06:57:18 PM
I just want to add another voice of appreciation - this really is very excellent stuff and hilarious with it. I listened to the most recent 2 today and was struggling to not laugh out loud amongst my very packed in fellow train passengers. Thanks SpaceSpinner2000! Looking forward to the next one.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Geoff on 31 May, 2017, 07:29:20 PM
Just listened to the first 5mins of the linked episode...it's playing as I type - it's great guys, keep it up!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 June, 2017, 08:11:46 PM
I'm not sure if I should start a new official thread for the show or not, but we have a new episode out today!

(http://i.imgur.com/yoyK3qg.jpg) (http://imgur.com/yoyK3qg)

In our thrilling thirty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 120-123 of 2000 AD, covering July of 1979. Join us as we get underway with ABC Warriors and Disaster 1990 and we near the finale of Dan Dare

Find the episode here:
Direct Download (http://cradeline.com/space-spinner-2000/2017/6/1/space-spinner-2000-ep-36)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000-cradeline-network/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 June, 2017, 12:02:25 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 June, 2017, 08:11:46 PM
I'm not sure if I should start a new official thread for the show or not, but we have a new episode out today!

(http://i.imgur.com/yoyK3qg.jpg) (http://imgur.com/yoyK3qg)

In our thrilling thirty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 120-123 of 2000 AD, covering July of 1979. Join us as we get underway with ABC Warriors and Disaster 1990 and we near the finale of Dan Dare

Find the episode here:
Direct Download (http://cradeline.com/space-spinner-2000/2017/6/1/space-spinner-2000-ep-36)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000-cradeline-network/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Deadlock's first appearance!  Though I've not listened to the show yet as I need to catch up first!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: terryworld on 02 June, 2017, 05:39:11 AM
thoroughly enjoying these too, as has been said, the enthusiasm for the early progs is infectious. well done fellas, keep 'em going.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 04 June, 2017, 07:00:03 PM
I have become somewhat addicted to these now and am spending every spare minute I have catching up on them (up to 21 now). I have never actually read any of these progs myself, I only know some of the strips through reprints (Dredd and Flesh) but I like the idea of reading them before each podcast. The synopses of some of these early forgotten strips can be hilarious - Ant Wars in particular sounds ridiculous.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 June, 2017, 11:47:19 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 04 June, 2017, 07:00:03 PM
I have become somewhat addicted to these now and am spending every spare minute I have catching up on them (up to 21 now). I have never actually read any of these progs myself, I only know some of the strips through reprints (Dredd and Flesh) but I like the idea of reading them before each podcast. The synopses of some of these early forgotten strips can be hilarious - Ant Wars in particular sounds ridiculous.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 June, 2017, 12:51:28 AM
Sorry, I wrote a whole dialog making fun of ant wars but it got eaten by the forum (and possibly giant ants!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 June, 2017, 05:28:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yhOYDbX.jpg) (http://imgur.com/yhOYDbX)

In our thrilling thirty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 124-127 of 2000 AD, covering August of 1979. Join us as the ABC Warriors recruit more team members, a mutant army invades Mega-City 1 and both Project Overkill and 2000 AD veteran Dan Dare complete their journeys. Also 2000 AD merges with Tornado magazine, bringing with it new thrills Blackhawk, The Mind of Wolfie Smith, and Captain Klep!

Direct Download (http://cradeline.com/space-spinner-2000/2017/6/5/space-spinner-2000-ep-37)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000-cradeline-network/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 06 June, 2017, 05:53:07 PM
Another fun episode (hope you're feeling better btw). You missed one of the greatest puns in Dredd during the animal experiments story (or was that last ep?) - Caption:"Dredd posted a heavy guard on the door" - image: really fat judge guarding door.

Have you read any Tornado? It wasn't great - I love the way they had to sci-fi up stories like Blackhawk which began a normal historical adventures. Whatever plaudits Dave Gibbons gets for Watchmen, he'll always be BigE to me  :lol:

You'll see lots of letters over the coming years asking when Dan Dare is coming back but they just kind of abandoned it mid story. Not a great loss, but when they did the same to Luke Kirby and Halo Jones ... grrrr!

And what is Fox's fascination with the Green Cross Code? I bet the TV ads are on YouTube - check them out to see what Darth Vader should have sounded like - his accent FYI is West Country (SW England) generally caricatured as "dumb country yokel" I guess the US equivalent would be a Deliverence style redneck
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 06 June, 2017, 05:56:19 PM
Loving it - I remember being pissed off with the Tornado merger at the time - especially Klep, even though it was a one pager.

Wolfie Smith didn't really seem to fit, although I guess it's not much different to something like MACH 0...

At least Blackhawk had Belardinelli and weirdness.

And yeah, ABC Warriors is phenomenal.

I did laugh at the pic of the fish in Disaster 1990...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 June, 2017, 07:10:41 PM
Quote from: DandontdareAnd what is Fox's fascination with the Green Cross Code? I bet the TV ads are on YouTube - check them out to see what Darth Vader should have sounded like - his accent FYI is West Country (SW England) generally caricatured as "dumb country yokel" I guess the US equivalent would be a Deliverence style redneck

I have no idea why Fox hates the Green Cross Code so much! It's a children's comic at this point and it seems reasonable to have a thing reminding them to look both ways before crossing the street, imo. We have things teaching kids that here as well, but for some reason it's a real bee in Fox's bonnet!

I'm extremely bummed to have missed the "heavy guard" line, I think it's clear at this point that puns like that are what give me life energy! :D I haven't read any or Tornado or that much Starlord, it seems very interesting but it's hard to find the time!

Quote from: Steve GreenLoving it - I remember being pissed off with the Tornado merger at the time - especially Klep, even though it was a one pager.

Wolfie Smith didn't really seem to fit, although I guess it's not much different to something like MACH 0...

I agree about Wolfie Smith, maybe it's just the scale of the threats he encounters and the level of power needed to deal with them? There's not really a ton of crazy action scenes, like John Probe beating guys up with a motor cycle or the hobo army coming to free Mach Zero. It's more just minor threats easily handled by ESP, if that makes sense.

Also, I don't know what to do with these one-pagers you guys. Sooner or Later is really good, but it seems like it's the ONLY good one, unless Dash Decent turns out OK, but I seem to have scrubbed it from my memory, which isn't a good sign!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 06 June, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
I guess they were handy filler if they couldn't fill ad space - being single pages they were a bit crap for a shock reveal. Seemed more like a throwback to younger comics for the most part.

I haven't read Wolfie Smith in decades, but I think yeah it doesn't have the violence of MACH 1 or the more interesting aspects like the Vagrant Army of MACH Zero.

More importantly it's taking up a slot which Strontium Dog could be sitting in...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 06 June, 2017, 08:26:48 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 06 June, 2017, 05:53:07 PM
And what is Fox's fascination with the Green Cross Code? I bet the TV ads are on YouTube - check them out to see what Darth Vader should have sounded like
Damn, just looked at one of those and they dubbed him with a posh upper class voice! (There are clips of the Star Wars original rushes that are hilarious though)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 07 June, 2017, 09:48:48 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 06 June, 2017, 08:26:48 PM
Damn, just looked at one of those and they dubbed him with a posh upper class voice! (There are clips of the Star Wars original rushes that are hilarious though)

They use his real voice in the later ones - not to mention some of the ones from the eighties had a voice over by Ian 'The Emperor' McDiarmid...

Quote from: Steve Green on 06 June, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
I haven't read Wolfie Smith in decades, but I think yeah it doesn't have the violence of MACH 1 or the more interesting aspects like the Vagrant Army of MACH Zero.

Wolfie Smith's biggest problem is that both of his stories have three or four episodes worth of plot (at most!) that are stretched over some fifteen episodes each.

Quote from: Steve Green on 06 June, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
More importantly it's taking up a slot which Strontium Dog could be sitting in...

Aww, the other things Carlos was busy drawing more-or-less make up for that!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 June, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
You mean that episode of Rick Random, yeah?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 07 June, 2017, 02:04:55 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 June, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
You mean that episode of Rick Random, yeah?

Hey, now, that was the best thing about Rick Random!  Vanda Lane gets unbelievably hot for a couple of panels.  Anyway, that was L. J. Silver, who may or may not be a Spanish pirate...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 June, 2017, 03:38:13 PM
Quote from: Lobo BagginsAww, the other things Carlos was busy drawing more-or-less make up for that!

Quote from: Steve GreenYou mean that episode of Rick Random, yeah?

This is a extremely savage burn! But seriously, I tend to agree, inbetween Journey to Hell and Death's Head Ezquerra drew two Stainless Steel Rat chapters, Fiends of the Eastern Front, and a bunch of Tharg one-offs, plus feared pirate Long John Silver drew the Golgotha section of ABC Warriors (Robots vs armored T-Rexs!). It's pretty good output, imo!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 June, 2017, 03:59:27 PM
I'd forgotten about the Rat.

Seemed pretty unusual to rest what I imagined was a top-tier (even if a relatively new import) for a year, and have one of your top droids working on a WW2 vampire story, (an odd fit for 2000AD) + disposable tharg stories etc.

I guess it could have been the scripts weren't ready.

What's weird is that Stainless Steel Rat is well-liked, and Rick Random isn't much, despite them both originating from Harry Harrison.

I guess the Rat is much more fun, and feels less retro?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: matty_ae on 07 June, 2017, 04:06:18 PM
Just listened to the first episode. Love the English focus group impressions. Very funny.
Will listen to more.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 June, 2017, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: Steve GreenWhat's weird is that Stainless Steel Rat is well-liked, and Rick Random isn't much, despite them both originating from Harry Harrison.

I guess the Rat is much more fun, and feels less retro?

I think that's it. SSR feels very modern with its fourth wall breaking first person narration and incredibly fast action pace. Plus I'd bet in terms of source material Harrison may have worked harder on a novel (Rat) than a comic strip (Random).

That said, in these early Progs any time they aren't publishing Strontium Dog and Robo-Hunter stories I feel like the prog isn't living up to it's full potential! :D

Quote from: matty_aeJust listened to the first episode. Love the English focus group impressions. Very funny.
Will listen to more.

Those kids love their cowboys and dinosaurs! We try to keep our English accents as broad and ridiculous as possible!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 June, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
Talking of broad and ridiculous accents, you'll have to meet Pete Wells one of these days...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 07 June, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 June, 2017, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: Steve GreenWhat's weird is that Stainless Steel Rat is well-liked, and Rick Random isn't much, despite them both originating from Harry Harrison.

I guess the Rat is much more fun, and feels less retro?

I think that's it. SSR feels very modern with its fourth wall breaking first person narration and incredibly fast action pace. Plus I'd bet in terms of source material Harrison may have worked harder on a novel (Rat) than a comic strip (Random).

I don't think that any of the Rick Random stories that are reprinted in the annuals and specials are actually written by Harry Harrison - plus Random is from the fifties and Slippery Jim first appeared in 1961.

Anyway, the weirdest thing about The Riddle of the Astral Assassin is that it seems, somehow, even more old fashioned than the fifties stories in the reprints!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 07 June, 2017, 06:54:42 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 June, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
Talking of broad and ridiculous accents, you'll have to meet Pete Wells one of these days...

Careful, now, I hear (from a friend of a friend) that if you go on the internets and say 'Pete Wells' three times on a podcast, he'll toorn up in just his pants...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 08 June, 2017, 06:47:16 AM
Quack quack volgs
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 08 June, 2017, 07:36:19 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 07 June, 2017, 06:54:42 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 June, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
Talking of broad and ridiculous accents, you'll have to meet Pete Wells one of these days...

Careful, now, I hear (from a friend of a friend) that if you go on the internets and say 'Pete Wells' three times on a podcast, he'll toorn up in just his pants...

Naw, would be naked painted blue, Doctor ManMackem.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 June, 2017, 03:03:46 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/wbwuxj7.jpg)

In our thrilling thirty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the Dan Dare Annual 1980. Join us for comics from deep in the Fleetway Vault, and a holiday themed robot brawl that seems to be mostly about late 70s labor relations! Also we continue to out ourselves as dumb Americans by our dislike of reading words not accompanied by pictures!

http://cradeline.com/space-spinner-2000/2017/6/8/space-spinner-2000-ep-38 (http://cradeline.com/space-spinner-2000/)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000-cradeline-network/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode! I'm also very interested to hear any insights/observations about the infamous Holiday Party story in this annual!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 08 June, 2017, 03:26:17 PM
I'm not the greatest fan of the early progs in the same way as I am "my" Era (or at least Starlord onwards era!), so I was wary of starting from the beginning - 38 episodes already!  Shouldn't have worried - already on Episode 4! Great stuff
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 08 June, 2017, 03:58:16 PM
It's kinda fun reading the episodes they're about to review before listening. Or at least the ones that I can - where's that darn MACH 1 collection...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 June, 2017, 10:22:48 PM
Can't help much with the background to that story, except that it was almost certainly writen by Pat Mills. I know you've been reading Thrillpower Overload, but I can't recoomed highly enough Steve McManus' The Mighty One - his autobiography covering the creation of 2000ad and his stint as editor during the period you're currently reviewing. And Pat Mills has his own version of events just published - 2000AD & Judge Dredd: The Secret History - so far only as an e-book, but I'm holding out for a physical version (Summary - "management were all bastards and every decision I made was right")
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 June, 2017, 02:48:17 AM
Definitely! I'm about halfway through the Mighty One now (though the effects of me reading it won't show up on the show for a while, we record pretty far ahead.) And while I don't recall him talking about this this story specifically, his book is really valuable. There's a long section about planning the first Judge Dredd annual that I'm very excited to bring to the podcast. I've already got Mills's book queued up for afterwards!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 09 June, 2017, 07:37:22 AM
Yeah that dredd stories fricking weird....it must be the first instance of a dredd story that can in no way whatsoever make sense in the "canon" of the series

what the hell were they thinking
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 June, 2017, 08:19:36 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 June, 2017, 02:48:17 AM
Definitely! I'm about halfway through the Mighty One now (though the effects of me reading it won't show up on the show for a while, we record pretty far ahead.) And while I don't recall him talking about this this story specifically, his book is really valuable. There's a long section about planning the first Judge Dredd annual that I'm very excited to bring to the podcast. I've already got Mills's book queued up for afterwards!
also forgot to mention the Future Shock DVD - the extended version has about three hundred hours of Pat Mills. but the basic version is definitly worth a watch. In addition to some fantastic anecdotes from the creators about that time, there are interviews with people like Karen Berger who admits that Vertigo could never have happened without 2000ad
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 11 June, 2017, 09:43:04 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 June, 2017, 03:03:46 PM
Please let me know what you think of the episode! I'm also very interested to hear any insights/observations about the infamous Holiday Party story in this annual!

Don't worry, you're nearly away from the Space Facts and Ill Fitting Reprint era of the annuals - although the IPC annuals are actually vastly superior to their rivals, World Distributors, whose offerings for their licensed stuff like Doctor Who are often so bizarre and off model that it's almost unrecognisable.  And consider yourselves fortunate that you're not doing the Starlord Annuals, as the last one has a six page Stronty Dog script, one other new strip that's completely unrelated to anything that appeared in the actual comic, then eighty pages of filler material and particularly crappy reprints.

There was a four year ban on reprints, so they're finally able to reprint 2000AD strips beginning in the 1982 annuals and it improves dramatically after that happens, and the 1981 Judge Dredd Annual is a shining example of what the annuals could be like.  It also means that you'll eventually be able to do some of the Starlord stories in the podcast as the likes of early Strontium Dog and Ro Busters get reprinted in the specials and annuals.

I don't know what they were thinking of with the Dredd party story - it's an eight page comedy strip that doesn't have any jokes in it.  Weird to think that the Dan Dare annuals have the first full colour Dredd strips in them...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 June, 2017, 10:28:38 AM
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In our thrilling thirty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 128-132 of 2000 AD, covering September of 1979. Join us as the ABC Warriors head to Mars, SPREAD THE WORD! Also we discuss the proper terminology for breaking into a ship, sing along with Ursa, and kill a ton of geese with Bill Savage!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 12 June, 2017, 02:30:55 PM
Great podcast again!

Yeah Johnny Teardrop has a bit of a Bruce Forsyth thing physically - he was a mainstay of 70s and 80s gameshows, and hosted the UK version of Dancing with the Stars called Strictly Come Dancing until recently.

His catchphrase parodied in Sob Story is 'Didn't they do well' which comes from the generation game, where they familes competed against each others performing tasks demonstrated by experts.

Johnny Teardrop seems like an amalgam of Brucie, with the camper aspects of Larry Grayson, who took over from him on the Generation Game.


Rumpus' outfit is a Teddy-boy outfit, which started appearing in the 1950s, rather than the 1970s.
is a riff on a Fiat TV commercial, which ended with 'handbuilt by robots' this was around the time automation was coming in.

There was also a sketch parodying it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU-tuY0Z7nQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU-tuY0Z7nQ)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 15 June, 2017, 05:46:20 PM
New one out today and it is the 1980 2000ad annual. Is the last of the terrible annuals? I think the 1981 one was where they started being good.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 June, 2017, 06:32:13 PM
I'd argue that the 1980 Annual has it's moments, but it's still pretty rough. Looking ahead the 81 Annual looks pretty fun, though it still has older legacy comics and a lot of short stories and other prose. To me the 82 annual is where things really pick up, when they're allowed to start reprinting launch 2000AD stories and stuff. Nothing against Phantom Patrol or Guinea Pig, but the art and writing style of these older stories really stand in stark relief to even the stuff in the annual, let alone what's going into the Progs at this point.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 June, 2017, 06:37:47 PM
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In our thrilling fortieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest comic with the 1980 2000 AD Annual (Annuals are dated by the following year). This episode we discuss the final Dan Dare story, the strange fate of Mega City 4, and we learn our 2000 AD IQ! We're 40 episodes in, and we hope that like us, Tharg is a big part of your life!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 15 June, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Excellent podcast guys, I'm only a couple of episodes in but am here for the duration. A month of progs each time works well.

In the Annuals, I can't rate '1981' even though I was an excitable new fan at the time. '1982' is a big leap forward. And the first Dredd Annual was a thing of beauty, as we all know.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 June, 2017, 09:11:01 AM
Got as far as episode 22, which has been vaped from Stitcher????
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 June, 2017, 05:51:16 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 17 June, 2017, 09:11:01 AM
Got as far as episode 22, which has been vaped from Stitcher????

Whoa weird, sorry about that! I think I see why episode 22 is missing but I'm not sure how to get it back on Stitcher :( In the meantime, you can download the file directly from the site (http://cradeline.com/space-spinner-2000/2017/3/21/space-spinner-2000-ep-22) and you should be able to play it in the Stitcher app as a work around. I'm really sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for bringing this to my attention!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 June, 2017, 06:38:55 PM
No worries!

Listening to the download now... I'll be working away in a couple of weeks and intend to catch up as near as I can then - your enthusiasm for these early stories is very infectious - If you love the early progs, stamp ads and all, you really owe it to yourself to check out some Solar Wind! http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/omnivistascope
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 17 June, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
Seconded - That's some quality small press there.

Hang in there - the annuals do get better!!

Just thinking if you had started this a year ago we'd be desperately trying to talk you into coming over for the 40th party so you could meet all these ex-thargs and others
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 June, 2017, 08:07:00 PM
I've been reading The Mighty One and it's got me very excited for the first Judge Dredd Annual, MacManus talks about the creation of that pretty extensively. We were just starting out during the 40th, only on episode 18 or so. Luckily at our current pace we should be finishing up in time for the 50th anniversary! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 June, 2017, 04:36:53 PM
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In our thrilling forty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 133-136 of 2000 AD, covering October of 1979. We only need six words to describe this episode: Incredibly Armed, Incredibly Dangerous, Incredibly Awesome.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vanilllahubby on 20 June, 2017, 09:02:55 AM
Another great episode Fox and Conrad! I certainly can feel your love for the prog  :D
Just reread the first dredd annual, it certainly feels like a quantum leap compared to
the early 2000ad books. Can't wait to listen to that podcast!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 June, 2017, 08:33:09 AM
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In our thrilling forty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 137-140 of 2000 AD, covering November of 1979. Join us for the heart warming story of Mad George, the terrifying Night of the Bloodbeast, and for Blackhawk losing his soul! Also we continue our constant march towards our own Disaster 1990!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 June, 2017, 02:27:27 PM
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In our thrilling forty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 141-145 of 2000 AD, covering December of 1979. Join us Christmas in June (check out the festive airhorn!), as Tharg punches out Santa, Barney the computer grants wishes, and the Stainless Steel Rat comes into his own!

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Please let me know what you think of the episode. We're almost done with coverage for 1979, next episode is our year in review!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 26 June, 2017, 09:46:53 PM
We are ticking ever close to the golden age of 2000ad
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 June, 2017, 11:40:14 PM
Basically one more episode! Once Judge Death shows up you've gone from "Early 2000AD" to "Golden Age 2000 AD" :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 27 June, 2017, 06:39:09 PM
Great stuff again.

I think Alvin Gaunt is not just Alant Grant. I think it is Kevin Gosnell and Alan Grant but I can't remember where I got that from.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 June, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 27 June, 2017, 06:39:09 PM
Great stuff again.

I think Alvin Gaunt is not just Alant Grant. I think it is Kevin Gosnell and Alan Grant but I can't remember where I got that from.

Yeah in my head (I'm guessing from Thrillpower Overload) Kevin Gosnell started the story but then past it onto Alan Grant to run with, hence the name...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 June, 2017, 09:40:47 PM
According to Barney (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=2000AD&choice=BLACKH) it was a Gosnell/Grant team up for the first prog, then just Grant for the remainder. I credited it as both of them for the first two episodes we covered Blackhawk but have stopped in more recent ones.

You can kind of see the team-up in the writer's name, ALan+KelVIN=Alvin, GrANT+GOsnell=Guant

I'm kind of arbitrarily deciding that once BH loses his soul it's all Grant :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 28 June, 2017, 08:18:48 AM
Ah, aboard the last launch to transfer off the HMS Hood before it was destroyed was a young Navy intelligence officer, Lieutenant Jon Pertwee, who later went on to present a prototype (and even more annoying) version of the Green Gross Code...

https://youtu.be/_r1UiNZ3G4Y (https://youtu.be/_r1UiNZ3G4Y)

Stop pavement look is near keep, that's easy to remember...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 June, 2017, 06:49:41 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 28 June, 2017, 08:18:48 AM
Ah, aboard the last launch to transfer off the HMS Hood before it was destroyed was a young Navy intelligence officer, Lieutenant Jon Pertwee, who later went on to present a prototype (and even more annoying) version of the Green Gross Code...

https://youtu.be/_r1UiNZ3G4Y (https://youtu.be/_r1UiNZ3G4Y)

Stop pavement look is near keep, that's easy to remember...

Holy crap, all of that is amazing!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 29 June, 2017, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 28 June, 2017, 08:18:48 AM
Ah, aboard the last launch to transfer off the HMS Hood before it was destroyed was a young Navy intelligence officer, Lieutenant Jon Pertwee, who later went on to present a prototype (and even more annoying) version of the Green Gross Code...

https://youtu.be/_r1UiNZ3G4Y (https://youtu.be/_r1UiNZ3G4Y)

Stop pavement look is near keep, that's easy to remember...

Well I've found where Conrad's been hiding.

The Green Cross Code is slightly improved by Mr. Pertwee, but reminds me a lot of Look Around You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaI6kBVyu00

As a child once, I don't recall ever needing instruction on the hazards of getting smashed by a car. We had our fair share in the US that were crammed in between the precious cartoons. I'm trying to watch Skeleton Warriors, stop bothering me Crash Test Dummies!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 29 June, 2017, 10:42:01 AM
We should have had some 2000 AD themed safety films.

Don't throw motor-cycles at people unless you're a MACH man.

While taking a bath in Volgan-occupied Britain, always remember your yellow ducky and shotgun.

Dinosaur awareness week.

And Dan Dare's please remember to blow up this planet before you leave the system.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vanilllahubby on 29 June, 2017, 11:40:38 AM
Never leave the doghouse without your electronux and at night keep yourself seen
with a electroflare (warning may cause blindness). Just a quick question fox&Conrad,
how far in front are you with the podcast? Into 1981 yet?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 June, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 29 June, 2017, 10:18:50 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 28 June, 2017, 08:18:48 AM
Ah, aboard the last launch to transfer off the HMS Hood before it was destroyed was a young Navy intelligence officer, Lieutenant Jon Pertwee, who later went on to present a prototype (and even more annoying) version of the Green Gross Code...

https://youtu.be/_r1UiNZ3G4Y (https://youtu.be/_r1UiNZ3G4Y)

Stop pavement look is near keep, that's easy to remember...

Well I've found where Conrad's been hiding.

The Green Cross Code is slightly improved by Mr. Pertwee, but reminds me a lot of Look Around You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaI6kBVyu00

As a child once, I don't recall ever needing instruction on the hazards of getting smashed by a car. We had our fair share in the US that were crammed in between the precious cartoons. I'm trying to watch Skeleton Warriors, stop bothering me Crash Test Dummies!


May be the parts of California that I visited, but every corner had Walk-Don't-Walk lights.  You wouldn't get far in the UK if you only crossed roads where there was a specified crossing.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Tiplodocus on 29 June, 2017, 02:04:21 PM
Listening to the first five episodes of this while decorating.

Hugely enjoyable stuff and the enthusiasm for INVASION has me laughing along.  It really makes me want to go back and read INVASION and HARLEM HEROES in full again.  MACH 1, less so.

But looking forward to more.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 June, 2017, 02:27:36 PM
Quote from: Vanilllahubby on 29 June, 2017, 11:40:38 AM
Never leave the doghouse without your electronux and at night keep yourself seen
with a electroflare (warning may cause blindness). Just a quick question fox&Conrad,
how far in front are you with the podcast? Into 1981 yet?

Our current posting schedule is super aggressive so we are pretty far ahead, that way we can provide a consistent product to you guys while allowing us the ability to get reasonable amounts of sleep! It's a balancing act though, because being ahead means that it takes a while for us to react to things, even important corrects like me mis-pronouncing Gerry Finley-Day's name! Since you asked, right now we have shows recorded until the middle of Q3 1980, but we're trying to get further ahead.

Also, for the record I remain legitimately exasperated by Fox's anti-Green Cross Code stance.

Quote from: Tiplodocus on 29 June, 2017, 02:04:21 PM
Listening to the first five episodes of this while decorating.

Hugely enjoyable stuff and the enthusiasm for INVASION has me laughing along.  It really makes me want to go back and read INVASION and HARLEM HEROES in full again.  MACH 1, less so.

But looking forward to more.

Thanks! We're having a ton of fun making the show and it means a lot to hear people enjoying it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 June, 2017, 02:39:27 PM
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In our thrilling forty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1979. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1979 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we'll give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year.

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode, and what your favorite 2000AD memories of 1979 were! Also if you have any suggestions for new Spinny categories, or things to discuss for the end of 1980, we'd love to hear them!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 29 June, 2017, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 29 June, 2017, 10:42:01 AM
We should have had some 2000 AD themed safety films.

Don't throw motor-cycles at people unless you're a MACH man.

While taking a bath in Volgan-occupied Britain, always remember your yellow ducky and shotgun.

Dinosaur awareness week.

And Dan Dare's please remember to blow up this planet before you leave the system.


If you're going to befriend Bill Savage or Dan Dare, remember this simple acronym: PYW. Prepare Your Will!



Quote from: sheridan on 29 June, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
May be the parts of California that I visited, but every corner had Walk-Don't-Walk lights.  You wouldn't get far in the UK if you only crossed roads where there was a specified crossing.

There are, but if I know my Californian's, those are very optional. Besides, it's robot slavery and I'm taking a stand. Er, walk.


Quote from: Tiplodocus on 29 June, 2017, 02:04:21 PM
Listening to the first five episodes of this while decorating.

Hugely enjoyable stuff and the enthusiasm for INVASION has me laughing along.  It really makes me want to go back and read INVASION and HARLEM HEROES in full again.  MACH 1, less so.

But looking forward to more.

I seriously miss Harlem Heroes. I was very surprised by how taken I became with a sports comic. I'm going into this very blind, but Conrad has explained to me that I shouldn't be too excited for anything after Inferno in that regard.




Space Spinner 2000 Rules, OK!?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 29 June, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 29 June, 2017, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 29 June, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
May be the parts of California that I visited, but every corner had Walk-Don't-Walk lights.  You wouldn't get far in the UK if you only crossed roads where there was a specified crossing.

There are, but if I know my Californian's, those are very optional. Besides, it's robot slavery and I'm taking a stand. Er, walk.

I knew a guy who is technically a wanted man in California - he got a ticket for jay-walking across an empty street in Hollywood at 3am, and by the time the ever-increasing fines and court demands had been redirected to him via several address changes, there was a warrant for his arrest out.
How long do those things last? This was 1987, but he claimed he'd never be able to go back to California again!

And if Darth Vader or Dr Who can't persuade you to be safe, how about creepy 70s pop heart-throb Alvin Stardust (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKQO6BVzyA)?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 June, 2017, 03:05:36 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 29 June, 2017, 03:00:42 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 29 June, 2017, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 29 June, 2017, 12:54:54 PM
May be the parts of California that I visited, but every corner had Walk-Don't-Walk lights.  You wouldn't get far in the UK if you only crossed roads where there was a specified crossing.

There are, but if I know my Californian's, those are very optional. Besides, it's robot slavery and I'm taking a stand. Er, walk.

I knew a guy who is technically a wanted man in California - he got a ticket for jay-walking across an empty street in Hollywood at 3am, and by the time the ever-increasing fines and court demands had been redirected to him via several address changes, there was a warrant for his arrest out.
How long do those things last? This was 1987, but he claimed he'd never be able to go back to California again!

I am not a lawyer, but I suspect three years (http://statelaws.findlaw.com/california-law/california-criminal-statute-of-limitations-laws.html).
Quote
And if Darth Vader or Dr Who can't persuade you to be safe, how about creepy 70s pop heart-throb Alvin Stardust (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiKQO6BVzyA)?

We thought of him as a cheap Gary Glitter knock-off - I know which one I'd want as an entertainer at a party now...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 July, 2017, 03:23:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/uKrvrue.jpg)

In our thrilling forty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 146-149 of 2000 AD, covering January of 1980. It's a huge Judge Dredd month, as Judge Minty leaves Mega City One just as Judge Death arrives! Also Conrad tries to explain what Top of the Pops is, and fails miserably!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 July, 2017, 03:28:35 PM
We sort of expose the business this episode, as you can really figure out when we're taping vs  when the episodes come out based on our Judge Minty Fan Film discussion. As Steve McManus will tell you, stockpiling is important to having a smooth release schedule!  :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 03 July, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
I'd completely forgotten that Timequake made an appearance in the prog.

Thanks for the shout-out on Minty - yeah, The Stainless Steel Rat is great - the rebellion trade collects the three strips.

I wish they'd adapted more.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 03 July, 2017, 04:29:04 PM
In space, no one can hear you Pew! Pew! Pew!, as there aren't any sound effects in The VCs space battles.

Not yet, anyway, as it gets forgotten later on... but it's a nice touch which took me years to notice.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 July, 2017, 06:03:18 PM
Whoa that's an awesome point! I didn't notice that either! Luckily the VCs themselves are there to provide sound effects themselves by shouting "VAPE" all the time!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 03 July, 2017, 06:38:18 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 July, 2017, 06:03:18 PM
Whoa that's an awesome point! I didn't notice that either! Luckily the VCs themselves are there to provide sound effects themselves by shouting "VAPE" all the time!

Ahem, after a quick look, I now notice that spaceship explosions sometimes make noises (and Geeks go Geee! a lot) but it's otherwise silent.  The battle on Pluto actually becomes extremely eerie when I realised that.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 04 July, 2017, 05:47:55 PM
Incidentally, some of the characters under the bridge in Captain Klep include -

Standing behind Klep in the first panel is our old pal, Rick Random.

The long haired guy using the football as a pillow is Roy Race from Roy of the Rovers, a football comic.

The guy under the comics asking about Plumduff is Jet-Ace Logan, his sidekick went by the name of Plumduff Chateris.

Spaceman First Class Albert Fitzwilliam Digby, batman to Dan Dare from The Eagle.

The disembodied metal hand is Louis Crandell, The Steel Claw (he's invisible).

The guy talking about the all-powerful eye is Tim Kelly from Kelly's Eye.

The squaddy looking for his guv'nor is Maggots Malone, batman to Captain Hurricane.

The bloke with the cigar and the hat is Major Eazy, an extremely laid back Carlos Ezquerra character from Battle.

Captain Hurricane was a British Commando and homicidal maniac originally from Valiant, but he was the Tharg-style editor of Battle at the time of this strip.

The robot with ARC on its chest is Robot Archie, you may remember him from the first Tharg's Future Shock (he was originally from Lion).

I don't know who the stripy thing in front of Rick Random is, or the bloke in the second to last panel who's 'finally going to die' is though.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 04 July, 2017, 06:19:19 PM
The stripey character is Tiger Tim.

The other guy - D-Day Dawson possibly? Shot by a Nazi bullet, lodged near his heart?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Tiplodocus on 04 July, 2017, 07:52:49 PM
I don't see the download option on the website any more? Is there a limit of 5 downloads and I have to stream the rest?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 July, 2017, 02:38:07 AM
Not that I'm aware of, but I might not have it turned on for every episode. I will correct this in the next few hours hopefully!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 July, 2017, 04:06:10 AM
All episodes should now be downloadable from the website! Let me know if something isn't working.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 05 July, 2017, 01:13:54 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 04 July, 2017, 05:47:55 PM
Incidentally, some of the characters under the bridge in Captain Klep include -

Standing behind Klep in the first panel is our old pal, Rick Random.

The long haired guy using the football as a pillow is Roy Race from Roy of the Rovers, a football comic.

The guy under the comics asking about Plumduff is Jet-Ace Logan, his sidekick went by the name of Plumduff Chateris.

Spaceman First Class Albert Fitzwilliam Digby, batman to Dan Dare from The Eagle.

The disembodied metal hand is Louis Crandell, The Steel Claw (he's invisible).

The guy talking about the all-powerful eye is Tim Kelly from Kelly's Eye.

The squaddy looking for his guv'nor is Maggots Malone, batman to Captain Hurricane.

The bloke with the cigar and the hat is Major Eazy, an extremely laid back Carlos Ezquerra character from Battle.

Captain Hurricane was a British Commando and homicidal maniac originally from Valiant, but he was the Tharg-style editor of Battle at the time of this strip.

The robot with ARC on its chest is Robot Archie, you may remember him from the first Tharg's Future Shock (he was originally from Lion).

I don't know who the stripy thing in front of Rick Random is, or the bloke in the second to last panel who's 'finally going to die' is though.

Whoa.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 July, 2017, 12:34:29 PM
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In our thrilling forty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 150-153 of 2000 AD, covering February of 1980. Join us as we travel to the future to fight robots and aliens, to the past to fight alongside vampires and hang out with dinosaurs, fight the evil Judge Death, and DRINK THE BLOOD OF SATANUS! Also Conrad quotes classic poetry, or at least a version of classic poetry as performed on a popular 1990s sitcom.

Also I forgot to mention on the show but shout out to Judge Anon and their excellent series of articles about female judges in Judge Dredd (http://judgeanon.tumblr.com/post/138323182320/a-short-history-of-female-judges-in-judge-dredd), which I've shamelessly mined for jokes!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Tiplodocus on 06 July, 2017, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 July, 2017, 04:06:10 AM
All episodes should now be downloadable from the website! Let me know if something isn't working.

Thanks. Just downloaded another three.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 07 July, 2017, 08:00:33 AM
I absolutely love your take on the British stuff!  Your comments about Patrick Moore had me laughing out loud in the street as I listened on my walk home from work. 'He's been presenting how long??  That's like, a thousand years!!'   Hahahahaha!!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 July, 2017, 08:17:29 AM
And that was before he became a cyborg in Gamesmaster.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 07 July, 2017, 12:11:16 PM
I'm a little behind and just finished listening to the Spinnies awards show for 1979. I think you're going to need some new categories going forward, becasue 'best art: Carlos Ezquerra' and 'best writing, Pat Mills tied with John Wagner' is going to be the result for, ooh, the next 40 years-worth of awards episodes...

Not to say that the other writers and artist on 2000AD aren't great, too, but man, those three dudes are SOOOO good, and so consistently thrilling, too! (YMMV on 1990s-era Pat Mills, but to you doubters, I say re-read and marvel at how much better it is than you might remember).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 July, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 07 July, 2017, 12:11:16 PM
I'm a little behind and just finished listening to the Spinnies awards show for 1979. I think you're going to need some new categories going forward, becasue 'best art: Carlos Ezquerra' and 'best writing, Pat Mills tied with John Wagner' is going to be the result for, ooh, the next 40 years-worth of awards episodes...

Not to say that the other writers and artist on 2000AD aren't great, too, but man, those three dudes are SOOOO good, and so consistently thrilling, too! (YMMV on 1990s-era Pat Mills, but to you doubters, I say re-read and marvel at how much better it is than you might remember).

That's why I have runners up for my awards, so that I can talk about the same couple guys! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 July, 2017, 06:31:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MBE2shI.jpg)

In our thrilling forty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 154-158 of 2000 AD, covering March of 1980. Join us as we head out with Judge Dredd as he begins his quest to find the Judge Child, the there is political intrigue with the Robo-Hunter, and the hosts once again side with monsters against humanity at large in Fiends of the Eastern Front!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 10 July, 2017, 07:07:47 PM
and now we got the judge child quest ah good times
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JLC on 10 July, 2017, 08:26:47 PM
sorry, found this podcast unlistenable.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 10 July, 2017, 08:47:03 PM
LOL, each to their own - I love it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 July, 2017, 08:34:09 AM
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In our thrilling forty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 159-162 of 2000 AD, covering April of 1980. Join us as we say goodbye to Captain Klep and the Fiends of the Eastern Front, and hello to returning thrills MACH Zero and Wolfie Smith. We'll also head off into deep space with both the VCs AND Judge Dredd! Also, this episode contains an easter egg for next episode, can you spot it?

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: skurvy on 13 July, 2017, 09:10:17 PM
I've pretty much just die-harded myself through the whole 50 episodes in a matter of weeks. Conrad and Fox, you ever thought about just going daily on this thing? I think we'd all be a lot happier.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 July, 2017, 10:38:57 PM
Ha ha! Definitely appreciate the kind words, though I think if we did that many shows you'd start getting diminishing returns three or four days in! Plus other folks are overwhelmed by our current output :D There's lots of fun stuff to come!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vanilllahubby on 13 July, 2017, 11:41:19 PM
Three times a week maybe? Listening to the podcast has opened my eyes to thrills I
would normally skip or skim read e.g. mach zero and disaster 1990.
As for that easter egg that's got me into a JAM. Keep up the awesome work and the dodgy English accents!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 July, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
Well damn your eyes, damn them.

There I was about to start listening to the first part of the Robin Smith interview from the Thrillcast as I'm falling behind (as ever, on my listening). Ironing Board out I pause and decide. Oh hold on no I'll just give that Space Spinner 2000 a try I've been meaning too for ages...

... do I start at the latest...

Or even the Prog 85 'jump on' podcast...

... No Mr Late to the Party here decided I should check out what they thought of the first Progs... and having bloody loved this finds himself with like a 90 podcast back log...

Bugger and a two part Robin Smith interview ... what is a boy to do.

Listened to the first two and loving the work fella. But unlike the others could you slow up for like a year so I can catch up?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 July, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 15 July, 2017, 09:50:02 PM
Well damn your eyes, damn them.

There I was about to start listening to the first part of the Robin Smith interview from the Thrillcast as I'm falling behind (as ever, on my listening). Ironing Board out I pause and decide. Oh hold on no I'll just give that Space Spinner 2000 a try I've been meaning too for ages...

... do I start at the latest...

Or even the Prog 85 'jump on' podcast...

... No Mr Late to the Party here decided I should check out what they thought of the first Progs... and having bloody loved this finds himself with like a 90 podcast back log...

Bugger and a two part Robin Smith interview ... what is a boy to do.

Listened to the first two and loving the work fella. But unlike the others could you slow up for like a year so I can catch up?

I can definitely empathize, my own podcast queue is pretty extensive! Don't worry, the show isn't going anywhere! Speaking of which...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 July, 2017, 02:00:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/wfdV7pd.jpg)

In our thrilling forty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 163-167 of 2000 AD, covering May, June and July of 1980. Join us as Dredd travels the spaceways, we get 6 times the Sam Slade, MACH Zero reunites with his son, and the Stainless Steel Rat begins his next quest, to save the world! Also we have a revelation about the nature of time travel, and how it relates to beating up bikers.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 17 July, 2017, 02:58:23 PM
As Colin says, please slow down. I think I'm on podcast 4.

The temptation to jump to the giddy heights of 1980 is tempting, though  :o
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 17 July, 2017, 06:11:25 PM
I've just listened to episodes one and two. It takes me ages to download them, what with living in a field and everything, but it's been worth it so far and I'm looking forward to catching up over the next few years. Great stuff!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 19 July, 2017, 06:31:52 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 July, 2017, 02:00:22 PM
In our thrilling forty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 163-167 of 2000 AD, covering May, June and July of 1980. Join us as Dredd travels the spaceways, we get 6 times the Sam Slade, MACH Zero reunites with his son, and the Stainless Steel Rat begins his next quest, to save the world! Also we have a revelation about the nature of time travel, and how it relates to beating up bikers.

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Waitaminute - you don't know who The Jam OR the Jams are?

I'd say that was madness, but I've previously discovered that Americans don't know who Madness are either...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2017, 06:41:33 PM
QuoteWaitaminute - you don't know who The Jam OR the Jams are?

I'd say that was madness, but I've previously discovered that Americans don't know who Madness are either...

I can't speak for Fox, but my music knowledge in general in general is pretty poor, especially for pop music eras from before I was born/just a baby :D I'd hate for all Americans to be judged by my poor example!

Madness did that "Our House" song, right? ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 July, 2017, 10:21:51 PM
Well just finished 7 so I'm making ground and have to say its just great hearing folks new to the Prog (in one case - you don't expect me to remember which one of you do you!) having such fun with it.

I'm interested has this move you onto the current stuff or are you (see note above) sticking to the old stuff?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 19 July, 2017, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2017, 06:41:33 PM
QuoteWaitaminute - you don't know who The Jam OR the Jams are?

I'd say that was madness, but I've previously discovered that Americans don't know who Madness are either...

I can't speak for Fox, but my music knowledge in general in general is pretty poor, especially for pop music eras from before I was born/just a baby :D I'd hate for all Americans to be judged by my poor example!

Madness did that "Our House" song, right? ;)

Not as good as Mutants in Mega-City One... ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 July, 2017, 12:08:46 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 July, 2017, 10:21:51 PM
Well just finished 7 so I'm making ground and have to say its just great hearing folks new to the Prog (in one case - you don't expect me to remember which one of you do you!) having such fun with it.

I'm interested has this move you onto the current stuff or are you (see note above) sticking to the old stuff?

Fox is the one who's new :D Though my (Conrad's) first hand experience with the product ends at around Prog 1000.

At the moment I don't think we'll jump around, we're having a ton of fun just going month to month, seeing things grow and expand organically. I would say that you should feel free to jump around if you have favorite stories that came out in this period, we've covered a couple of classics already, and there's no reason to feel bound to our format!

QuoteNot as good as Mutants in Mega-City One... ;)

WHOA! And here I thought Anthrax had the only Judge Dredd song!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 20 July, 2017, 09:51:00 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 July, 2017, 12:08:46 AM
WHOA! And here I thought Anthrax had the only Judge Dredd song!

Human League's 'I Am the Law' is one too.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: I, Cosh on 20 July, 2017, 10:04:37 AM
I deeply regret not picking up a copy of this when I saw it in a Geneva record shop bargain bin.

(https://img.discogs.com/O47wG2NNes-qcARFl1Cvy7zEiDE=/fit-in/350x347/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-1102014-1192135019.jpeg.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 July, 2017, 12:20:25 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/FxrLMkI.jpg)

In our thrilling fiftieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1980 Sci-Fi Special of 2000 AD. This Special contains the 2000AD premiere of both Alan Moore and Steve Dillon, and has some cool stories without a ton of filler. Thanks to all our listeners for helping us get to fifty episodes! Here's to a whole lot more!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 July, 2017, 03:55:52 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/AK4T2dv.jpg)

In our thrilling fifty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 168-172 of 2000 AD, covering July and August of 1980. Join us as the Stainless Steel Rat saves the world, for the first time, but not the last time, Wolfie Smith opens an evil door, the Geeks go undercover, the robot war begins, and we trip balls on Oracle Spice!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 24 July, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
Funny Feet ice lollies were never one foot long, it's a 'one foot lolly' (which I'm pretty sure is cheating).

You wouldn't want one that big anyway, as they were horrible - chemical tasting ice cream that had the texture of cotton wool, if I recall.

I liked Wall's Fat Frog lollies (apple flavour shaped like a frog for some reason) but no one else seems to even remember them.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 July, 2017, 06:26:56 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 24 July, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
Funny Feet ice lollies were never one foot long, it's a 'one foot lolly' (which I'm pretty sure is cheating).

You wouldn't want one that big anyway, as they were horrible - chemical tasting ice cream that had the texture of cotton wool, if I recall.

I liked Wall's Fat Frog lollies (apple flavour shaped like a frog for some reason) but no one else seems to even remember them.

That's one of the saddest things I've ever heard! I have to completely rethink my ice lolly strategy now, maybe the Incredible Hulk one? Of the alternate names for things starting with L that you guys have (Loo, Lorry, Lift, etc) I think calling popsicles ice lollies is my favorite :D

Oh, for everyone else, we're talking about this frequent advertisement in 2000AD circa summer 1980:
(http://i.imgur.com/cVbyMc1.png)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 24 July, 2017, 06:31:39 PM
Cruel lies told to children. You had sea monkeys, we had 1 foot lollies.

Besides, the best ones were the cider flavoured ones.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 24 July, 2017, 09:24:03 PM
The Incredible Hulk lollies were pretty good (and came with a trading card IIRC), but they weren't as good as Dalek Death Rays :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 24 July, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 24 July, 2017, 06:31:39 PM
Besides, the best ones were the cider flavoured ones.

Oh wow, I'd forgotten about those - just googled them - Lyons Maid Cider Barrel and Cider Quench ("the drink on a stick"). And it should be pointed out that in the UK cider isn't apple juice, but the preferred cheap strong alcohol of choice for underage kids, shouty tramps and functioning alcoholics of limited funds. But fine in lollies.

Don't get me started on chocolate smoker's sets in the Christmas stocking....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 July, 2017, 10:14:23 PM
As I recall (see previous comments on my memory) Funny Feet melted really fast. Making their comsumption, even on a holiday camping on the Devon coast a feat (no pun intended... well okay just a little) a test of speed, skill and hand licking.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 24 July, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Yeah on one hand you had Superman's anti-smoking ads, and the other Superman branded sweet cigarettes.

Sweet syringes seem even more iffy.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: skurvy on 24 July, 2017, 10:22:00 PM
Remember Top Deck? I loved the shandy and lager and lime ones but couldn't stand the cider one. Maybe because it wasn't as good as the real thing.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 24 July, 2017, 10:48:25 PM
Funny Feet did indeed melt real fast. Bit insubstantial as a choice of lolly for that reason. This is tickling the far reaches of my memory banks!

Anyway. Listening to podcast 5 today and found the observation that sometimes Shako kills directly, and sometimes indirectly, very satisfying. Bravo! Also found the 'Shake'-O pronunciation odd, it's been 'Shack'-O for me. Based on nothing much of course. 'Shack'-'Zero' ?  :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 July, 2017, 10:53:34 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 24 July, 2017, 10:48:25 PM
Anyway. Listening to podcast 5 today and found the observation that sometimes Shako kills directly, and sometimes indirectly, very satisfying. Bravo! Also found the 'Shake'-O pronunciation odd, it's been 'Shack'-O for me. Based on nothing much of course. 'Shack'-'Zero' ?  :)

That must a temporary thing, because in my mind I definitely pronounce it as either "shack-o" or "sha-ko," or just generally with a soft a. Also, one of the key things about him is the many and varied ways he kills people, it's not just biting their heads off!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 25 July, 2017, 12:30:15 AM
Dang. You may be right. It's been a long day.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 July, 2017, 12:44:57 AM
Quote from: Fungus on 25 July, 2017, 12:30:15 AM
Dang. You may be right. It's been a long day.

No problem either way, I'm sensitive about pronunciation after learned that I mispronounced Gerry Finley-Day's name for like 40 episodes! D:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 25 July, 2017, 08:21:40 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 24 July, 2017, 10:15:46 PM
Yeah on one hand you had Superman's anti-smoking ads, and the other Superman branded sweet cigarettes.

Sweet syringes seem even more iffy.

Sweet syringes sounds like a dangerous, yet promising business venture.

"Doctor, what's wrong with me!?"

"Looks like you've got SWEET TOOTH. But I've got the cure! Sweet Syringes. Get your fix with the stick that does the trick!"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 25 July, 2017, 08:26:08 AM
TBH, definitely better than these.

(http://itsugar.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/c/1camel_balls_amazon.jpg.jpeg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SuperSurfer on 25 July, 2017, 12:08:41 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 July, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
Oh wow, I'd forgotten about those - just googled them - Lyons Maid Cider Barrel and Cider Quench ("the drink on a stick").
Lyons Maid? Pah! They were what DC was to Marvel. Wall's Ice Cream was where it was at.

Anyone remember Count Dracula ice lollies? Would advertise heavily in Marvel UK comics on their luxurious glossy cover paper. The blood red jelly got sickly. I overdosed on these as I was collecting the stencil sticks.

(http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/resources/images/6391120.jpg?type=article-full)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-syzBGcIAEFM/Tdi7sp9sL6I/AAAAAAAAE4Y/lKGzU5ndzVU/s1600/Buster76-07-0321AdDraculalolly.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 27 July, 2017, 10:31:21 AM
ChocoTacos?

(http://pearsonicecream.com/images/choco_taco%20b.png)

Otterpops?

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1283/4712670347_c9a0e00724_z.jpg)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 July, 2017, 03:45:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/W8DgccO.jpg)

In our thrilling fifty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 173-177 of 2000 AD, covering August and September of 1980. Join us as we clear the decks in advance of a thrill refresh in the second half of September! All thrills must end! (Except Judge Dredd, natch.)

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 27 July, 2017, 04:31:14 PM
Thanks Conrad - I have just finished listening to this.

I have a Stainless Steel Rat collection published by Rebellion but I can not see it on the 2000AD store so it must be out of print. Amazon have this page: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Harry-Harrison-Stainless-Steel-Paperback/dp/B00RWPR8CE/ref=sr_1_69?ie=UTF8&qid=1501165704&sr=8-69&keywords=Stainless+Steel+Rat .

The 2000AD shop does have a digital edition available though: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN378

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 27 July, 2017, 04:53:49 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 27 July, 2017, 04:31:14 PM
The 2000AD shop does have a digital edition available though: https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/GRN378

Click on the 'paperback ÂŁ15.99' icon and it says they have it in limited stock at the moment.  I admit it looks a bit like it's been greyed out as it's unavailable.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 July, 2017, 05:17:39 PM
Yeah, when I was looking things up for this episode I went on Google and just seemed to find the Eagle comics reprints from 1985, instead of the full collection. I don't know why I didn't think to check the Rebellion store to see if there were more recent collections! I did figure it out and mention it on an upcoming episode, but I'm going to make a special note on the Monday show, because I definitely regret this error, because I think SSR is great and everyone should check it out! :D Thanks for the help folks!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 27 July, 2017, 08:38:10 PM
Another good one guys. I've not read most of my old progs for years, but I've taken to skim-reading along with the podcast, so I'll get to do the 'prog-slog' I've been putting off for ages.

You're right that "hate is my eyes, Judge Dredd, and now you'll be my gun" is a very cool line, but I was sad you missed one of my all-time favourite Dredd lines a few pages earlier; to the ape-goons who try to mug Dredd for the reward money: "You creeps must think I sailed through space on a synthi-biscuit". Classic.

And If you don't mind a Dredd spoiler for something we don't find out for another thirty-something* years,  [spoiler]we learn that one of the very few personal mementoes that Dredd keeps in his appartment is Lopez' badge - to remind him that he was wrong, and that he should have taken the oracle spice. But there is no hint of it now [/spoiler]
*citation needed

Oh, and if Fox is freaked ouit by Riunus Limpopop Quintz, he should come to London to check him out: http://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=39512.msg843388#msg843388 (http://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=39512.msg843388#msg843388)

Also, I don't think I ever really appereciated just what a dick Wolfie Smith was. I guess he DID look more like a cool rebel when you're 13!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 July, 2017, 09:47:23 PM
Well I'm about 12 or 13 in on these (onto the first Spinny, what you don't actually expect ME to remember what number that is do you) and have to say lovin' every minute. Its such a delight to here you evidently have such fun with the comic. Its infectious, unlike the self important posturing of other podcasts (well last time I listened to... ) this one remains a delight.

So like what I want to know after the creepin' and all is does anyone claim a spinny... or do I need to keep listening to find out?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 July, 2017, 05:08:20 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 27 July, 2017, 09:47:23 PM
So like what I want to know after the creepin' and all is does anyone claim a spinny... or do I need to keep listening to find out?

Unfortunately nobody has taken us up on our offer of hand-crafted golden frisbee awards, though I do currently have a bunch of them lying around the house in case one is claimed!

QuoteAnd If you don't mind a Dredd spoiler for something we don't find out for another thirty-something* years

It's tough with stuff from way in the future, because I don't think that was a fact that was actually in Wagner/Grant's heads in 1980, you know? And part of the fun of the show for me is learning about and experiencing this stuff as it happens, without the weight of 30-odd years of the stuff that comes after it, if that makes sense.

Quote
Also, I don't think I ever really appereciated just what a dick Wolfie Smith was. I guess he DID look more like a cool rebel when you're 13!

I've tried to make a point of this as we've read Wolfie, especially with this second story. To me it really feels like Wolfie plays very differently to a 10 or 12 year old vs some bitter guys in their 30s like me and Fox. Still, I feel like the big things that even experienced 2000AD fans have learned from our show is that Woflie Smith is a jerk and Dan Dare is VERY quick to destroy planets or wipe out sentient races :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 28 July, 2017, 10:17:20 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 July, 2017, 05:08:20 AM
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Also, I don't think I ever really appereciated just what a dick Wolfie Smith was. I guess he DID look more like a cool rebel when you're 13!

I've tried to make a point of this as we've read Wolfie, especially with this second story. To me it really feels like Wolfie plays very differently to a 10 or 12 year old vs some bitter guys in their 30s like me and Fox. Still, I feel like the big things that even experienced 2000AD fans have learned from our show is that Woflie Smith is a jerk and Dan Dare is VERY quick to destroy planets or wipe out sentient races :D

Mental Note: Make a compilation of all Dan Dare murder victims.

I miss Battle Action Playset Dan Dare, Conradical :C
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 28 July, 2017, 12:32:51 PM
It does feel that the space fort should be on the end of a genocidal 10-year old's arm in a hyper-active Kenner commercial.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 July, 2017, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 July, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
Oh wow, I'd forgotten about those - just googled them - Lyons Maid Cider Barrel and Cider Quench ("the drink on a stick"). And it should be pointed out that in the UK cider isn't apple juice, but the preferred cheap strong alcohol of choice for underage kids, shouty tramps and functioning alcoholics of limited funds. But fine in lollies.


I resent that remark!  And which of those three would the Wurzels (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGkB6YO9Yc) it in to (recent official video of a 1970s song).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 28 July, 2017, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 28 July, 2017, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 July, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
Oh wow, I'd forgotten about those - just googled them - Lyons Maid Cider Barrel and Cider Quench ("the drink on a stick"). And it should be pointed out that in the UK cider isn't apple juice, but the preferred cheap strong alcohol of choice for underage kids, shouty tramps and functioning alcoholics of limited funds. But fine in lollies.


I resent that remark!  And which of those three would the Wurzels (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGkB6YO9Yc) it in to (recent official video of a 1970s song).


What did I just watch? What is this? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS!?

I do kind of want some cider, though.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 28 July, 2017, 02:04:48 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 28 July, 2017, 01:10:57 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 28 July, 2017, 12:53:46 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 July, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
Oh wow, I'd forgotten about those - just googled them - Lyons Maid Cider Barrel and Cider Quench ("the drink on a stick"). And it should be pointed out that in the UK cider isn't apple juice, but the preferred cheap strong alcohol of choice for underage kids, shouty tramps and functioning alcoholics of limited funds. But fine in lollies.


I resent that remark!  And which of those three would the Wurzels (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGkB6YO9Yc) it in to (recent official video of a 1970s song).


What did I just watch? What is this? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS!?

I do kind of want some cider, though.

'Ave yersel a care, Sheridan, Wurzles baint fer the eyes o' furriners! Thems ud gives thur wurzels ta thur snobgrobbers an' eats thur manglewurzles themselfs!  Oh ah, thus'd make oi laff!

Anyway, that's nothing like Madness. This is Madness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-uyWAe0NhQ)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 28 July, 2017, 07:43:30 PM
looking forward to your take on 178 onwards - this is my era (well, started with 195 as a regular, but all the stories from then are about to start!). Redondo is a fantastic artist, and Meltdown Man is hokey but also genius! Even Mean Arena caught my interest (possibly those Dillon drawn episodes!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 July, 2017, 08:52:42 PM
Just listening to Episode 14 and Lucky and Jim (what like you expect me to remember Conrad's and Fox's names now) are about to talk about Visible Man... I've been so looking forward to this... happy days... well a good way to spend a Friday night for an old duffer who doesn't go down the pub any more.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 28 July, 2017, 09:11:25 PM
I re-read Mean Arena recently, I thought there was going to be more Dillon episodes, but it's just the Jensen Clan bit really.

Starts off OK, but seems to throw too much in there, and drops characters like the reporter who you think is going to play a larger role.

Listening to the podcast, I'd really like a collection of all the Ro-Jaws Robo-tales and the Tharg Stories.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 31 July, 2017, 09:03:06 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 28 July, 2017, 02:04:48 PM

'Ave yersel a care, Sheridan, Wurzles baint fer the eyes o' furriners! Thems ud gives thur wurzels ta thur snobgrobbers an' eats thur manglewurzles themselfs!  Oh ah, thus'd make oi laff!

Anyway, that's nothing like Madness. This is Madness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-uyWAe0NhQ)

Ska!?!?! Well, that was a bit mad.

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 28 July, 2017, 08:52:42 PM
Just listening to Episode 14 and Lucky and Jim (what like you expect me to remember Conrad's and Fox's names now) are about to talk about Visible Man... I've been so looking forward to this... happy days... well a good way to spend a Friday night for an old duffer who doesn't go down the pub any more.

Visible man is factually gorgeous. Sometimes you just need to crash a wedding party and eat all the cake.

Quote from: Steve Green on 28 July, 2017, 09:11:25 PM
I re-read Mean Arena recently, I thought there was going to be more Dillon episodes, but it's just the Jensen Clan bit really.

Starts off OK, but seems to throw too much in there, and drops characters like the reporter who you think is going to play a larger role.

Listening to the podcast, I'd really like a collection of all the Ro-Jaws Robo-tales and the Tharg Stories.

Robo Tales collection, or Tharg Stories collection would be pretty mighty....

But it means hearing a lot of "BEEP BEEP BEEEEEP" -- which I'm all for hahaha
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 July, 2017, 02:31:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/aXTSInh.jpg)

In our thrilling fifty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest comic with the 1981 2000 AD Annual (Annuals are dated by the following year). We've been pretty tough on annuals over the years, and this one has some pretty rough sections, but also has some extremely neat comics, articles, and features. For the first time ever we have two non-comics as the top thrill!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 31 July, 2017, 08:37:09 PM
Great stuff as usual. I had that annual 2 or 3 of years after it was released and remember it being okay but not as good as the subsequent years annuals.

I have no recollection at all of any of the re-print stuff discussed. From the sounds of it, you have to wonder if the editor even read the strips before picking them for inclusion. In 2000ad histories it is said that Sci Fi had a bad name in UK comics before 2000AD arrived (sports and war was where it was at) so perhaps it was stuff like this that earned that reputation.

The annuals should be good from now on though, and the first 2 Dredd annuals are a real treat. Do we get the 1981 Dredd annual SpaceSpinner 2000 next week? I can vividly remember much of it even after at least 30 years so I must have pored over it many times in my bored youth.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 July, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
The 1981 annual is both totally awesome and will. E covered on Thursday! We're saving the best for last!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 31 July, 2017, 10:59:27 PM
Dredd Annual 1981 is vying with my first prog for pride of place if you order these things by sentimental value. Which you wouldn't do unless you were daft of course.

Been decades, but I think the pages are reasonably intact. Unlike my copy of 1982's. Wouldn't read that in a draughty room...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 01 August, 2017, 01:33:13 PM
Say, speaking of Labyrinth (as you were in... err... episode 49) with the idea that the Fireys strongly resemble the Aliens from Lesser Lingo, pretty much everything we see in Sarah's room turns up in some form or another in the Labyrinth, and she does have a copy of the Judge Dredd Boardgame sitting on a shelf, so maybe there was a copy of prog 164 lying around somewhere too.  And chronologically it's pretty close to the cover of prog 168 that can be spotted in The Princess Bride, too...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 August, 2017, 03:04:36 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 01 August, 2017, 01:33:13 PM
Say, speaking of Labyrinth (as you were in... err... episode 49) with the idea that the Fireys strongly resemble the Aliens from Lesser Lingo, pretty much everything we see in Sarah's room turns up in some form or another in the Labyrinth, and she does have a copy of the Judge Dredd Boardgame sitting on a shelf, so maybe there was a copy of prog 164 lying around somewhere too.  And chronologically it's pretty close to the cover of prog 168 that can be spotted in The Princess Bride, too...

Whoa I never noticed either of those, but that's a good eye! Honestly I tend to think that most of these kinds of things are just happy coincidences instead of big movie guys stealing ideas from comics. Except for Jurassic Park, that's so clearly stolen from Judge Dredd it defies belief!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 03 August, 2017, 09:36:52 AM
Pretty sure the dinosaur theme park thing had been done in a short story before either and had been mentioned as an inspiration for the one in Dredd.

Maybe this from 1969 - although it's giant robots than cloned animals?

http://prehistoricpulp.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/the-parasaurians-by-robert-wells-1969.html (http://prehistoricpulp.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/the-parasaurians-by-robert-wells-1969.html)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 03 August, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
Reading a bit more, they're touted as robots, but the twist is they're cloned animals.

So before both JP and Cursed Earth.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 August, 2017, 11:53:16 AM
Before we get too carried away the whole Cursed Earth is 'inspired' by Damnation Alley. So what goes around comes around.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 August, 2017, 01:07:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7DsqIQ9.png)

In our thrilling fifty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest comic with the 1981 Judge Dredd Annual (Annuals are dated by the following year). It's the first Dredd Annual, after a few years of Dan Dare Themed ones. Join us for the first great 2000AD annual, featuring Dredd, the whole Dredd, and nothing but the Dredd!

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Also a quick programming note, for the next few weeks we'll only be doing one new show a week (on Mondays). But tune in Thursday for our Collection episodes, it's all our coverage of a specific storyline or thill all in one place. Of course we're starting next week with the Cursed Earth, but we will have some more personal favorites after that! I hope you did it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 03 August, 2017, 04:40:56 PM
speaking of madness

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7LELj5SXn7A/U-N7EQCGmtI/AAAAAAAAJ2g/K4YJs7VYn6E/s1600/stron062.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-uyWAe0NhQ

one step beyond!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 03 August, 2017, 07:29:29 PM
That was a cracking episode - very funny indeed, especially the stuff about trans time and their horrific tour rosta. This annual must surely be up for some kind of Spinny award this time around.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 03 August, 2017, 07:48:06 PM
I'm going to have to dig out the annual.

I remember the trans-time thing being like an exploitation movie - early 2000AD big on genocide...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 03 August, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
I'm pretty sure very few in the UK had heard of Schlitz beer over here, or any american beers TBH, can't ever remember the ad making it over here.

Chalk that one down to John's US upbringing.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 August, 2017, 10:18:47 PM
Yeah, I didn't hear the commercial for years after- it was another one like Rogers & Hammerstein - "hey that sounds just like.... ohhh"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 03 August, 2017, 10:42:46 PM
speaking of things movies ripped off shok....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 04 August, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 03 August, 2017, 07:50:11 PM
I'm pretty sure very few in the UK had heard of Schlitz beer over here, or any american beers TBH, can't ever remember the ad making it over here.

Chalk that one down to John's US upbringing.

I assume it's a contemporary Laverne & Shirley reference, which I can vaguely remember seeing at the time and was set in the Milwaukee Schlitz Brewery.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 05 August, 2017, 08:32:49 PM
I find it interesting that Fox almost never picks Dredd as his favourite thrill - even in the JD annual. I can understand this as when I first discovered 2000AD Sam Slade would have been my top thrill. Dredd is fairly consistantly good though and this wins out over most other series which drop off at some point, even Sam Slade sadly.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 August, 2017, 06:09:53 PM
I can't speak for Fox, but I know I can be reluctant to pick long term thrills as top over things that might be going away soon. You can also see it in our early shows with Invasion, which didn't get a ton of tops despite being one of our all-time favorites because it ran for 50-some issues and was such a stalwart in the progs at the time. Dredd's evergreen nature can make it easy to overlook in favor of thrills with a more limited shelf life. But also Fox is weird and likes weird stuff, surely you can tell that from just listening to the show! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 August, 2017, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 03 August, 2017, 07:48:06 PM
I'm going to have to dig out the annual.

I remember the trans-time thing being like an exploitation movie - early 2000AD big on genocide...

It's definitely one of those situations where there's a mini-apocalypse every month or so in MC-1 and when you list them one after another in a brochure or something it gets very grim very quickly!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 07 August, 2017, 08:25:49 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 05 August, 2017, 08:32:49 PM
I find it interesting that Fox almost never picks Dredd as his favourite thrill - even in the JD annual. I can understand this as when I first discovered 2000AD Sam Slade would have been my top thrill. Dredd is fairly consistantly good though and this wins out over most other series which drop off at some point, even Sam Slade sadly.

I actually noticed that myself a short time ago when listening back to the episodes. Not out of spite, but to be honest I'm a schlock addict and there's a lot in the progs so far. Most of the time I'm thinking within the bubble of the episode, and while JD always delivers on the thrillpower...It's hard not to see something so ridiculous and not hold it up. You can't just show me Fiends of the Eastern Front and not blow my mind.

I came into this with almost 0 understanding of the comic, and JD is someone I know from culture and less from substance. That substance is being filled in now, and the world they're spinning is one I'm much more bought into. This is the longest I've read comics for since I was maybe 15. Wouldn't be doing it if I didn't love it. :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 August, 2017, 04:42:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5rqHYW3.jpg)

In our thrilling fifty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 178-179 of 2000AD, covering September 1980. This episode is also designed for new listeners, with explanations about the nature of both the show and 2000AD. If you're interested in getting into either, this is a great place to start! As well as a recap and recommendations of thrills and episodes to listen to, this episode also marks the start of several classic 2000AD stories and the start of the dramatic climax to the Judge Child Saga!

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 07 August, 2017, 09:38:14 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 07 August, 2017, 08:25:49 AM
I came into this with almost 0 understanding of the comic, and JD is someone I know from culture and less from substance. That substance is being filled in now, and the world they're spinning is one I'm much more bought into. This is the longest I've read comics for since I was maybe 15. Wouldn't be doing it if I didn't love it. :)
I am really glad you are both enjoying it and hope it long continues. I would love it if Pat Mills listened to these podcasts as I think he would very much appreciate the perspective you guys have on it all, especially on the early progs from when he first launched the comic.

Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 August, 2017, 04:42:00 PM
Please let me know what you think of the episode!

It's frickin' awesome!

'Save The Bomb!' is a reference to the commonly seen slogan in the 1980's of 'Ban The Bomb!'. There was quite a big anti-nuclear movement headed by an organisation called CND (Campaign for Nuclear Disarmement). I recently found out Americans associate it's symbol as the 'Peace symbol' instead of it being a anti-nuclear thing. This is probably because of its association with hippies in the 60's. The symbol is made up of the semaphone signs for 'N' and 'D' - Nuclear Disarmement.

The bit about UK comics not being varied while US stuff is mainly superheroes was well put and not lost on the UK readers of the time, I think. There are barely any UK super heroes and probably the most successful one was a comedy parody called Bananaman which had its own comic and TV show.

I am looking forward to the collections now. It will be easier to follow these with a collected trade than the regular shows are.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 August, 2017, 10:06:01 PM
We've gotten some support from folks like Mills and MacManus, which always gives me a fanboy freak out :) And yeah, I realized most listeners wouldn't be reading from old progs, some hopefully the collections will be a bit more digestible!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 August, 2017, 12:06:04 PM
Re free badge gift - a metal front with a safety-pin type back would always be referred to as a badge - pin would mean one of those small lapel ones with a spike and a back piece.

My opus of these progs have holes where I collected the Dredd tshirt tokens I could post pictures of how that Dredd tshirt looked when I rediscovered it last year - tight squeeze is an understatement!.

Another very enjoyable ep - loved the "when's he gonna melt?" bit  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 August, 2017, 12:20:41 PM
"Copies" not opus  ::)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 09 August, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
Dash Decent is a very odd thing - it's more or less a thinly disguised version of Kenny Everett's* Captain Kremmen sketches with all the smut taken out, even though a Kenny Everett sketch with all the smut taken out is pretty much five minutes of silence.  It's also possible that's where Tharg's name came from (Kremmen was often bothered by the Thargoids).

https://youtu.be/pyjKPbkkW9k (https://youtu.be/pyjKPbkkW9k)

*A ubiquitous 70's and early 80's British DJ and television personality - you may remember him as the DJ who appears on the first page of Terror Tube in prog 167.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 August, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
Re the Green Cross Man - I saw Dave Prowse give a talk recently and he says this is his proudest achievement - for 5 years he toured schools as well as doing the TV ads and the campaign halved child road deaths in the UK from 20,000 to 10,000 - for which he was later awarded a MBE by the Queen
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 09 August, 2017, 12:56:22 PM
And annoyed Fox.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 August, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 09 August, 2017, 09:45:18 AM
Dash Decent is a very odd thing - it's more or less a thinly disguised version of Kenny Everett's* Captain Kremmen sketches with all the smut taken out, even though a Kenny Everett sketch with all the smut taken out is pretty much five minutes of silence.  It's also possible that's where Tharg's name came from (Kremmen was often bothered by the Thargoids).

Dash Decent is like a giant sink hole of British pop culture stuff! I guess the lisping doctor Zellemy is based off and impression of a TV actor named Bellemy from a children's show called Tiswas? It's ridiculous!

Quote from: Dandontdare on 09 August, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
Re the Green Cross Man - I saw Dave Prowse give a talk recently and he says this is his proudest achievement - for 5 years he toured schools as well as doing the TV ads and the campaign halved child road deaths in the UK from 20,000 to 10,000 - for which he was later awarded a MBE by the Queen

I keep trying to explain that kids don't naturally know how to cross the street safely! I'll again mention that as a kid in the US a few years after this we ABSOLUTELY had a bunch of things like the Green Cross Code, Fox is just a crazy person about this issue! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 09 August, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 August, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
Dash Decent is like a giant sink hole of British pop culture stuff! I guess the lisping doctor Zellemy is based off and impression of a TV actor named Bellemy from a children's show called Tiswas? It's ridiculous!

David Bellamy was a botanist and TV presenter, and I think Lenny Henry used to do an impersonation of him on TISWAS - although I think TISWAS was a London only programme that most of the country never actually saw.  We were still getting repeats of The Banana Splits in my area (Southern) at the time.

Oh, and both he and Walter's speech impediments aren't lisps, it's a rhotacism.  Lithping characterth turn up eventhually, donth worry.

Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 August, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
I keep trying to explain that kids don't naturally know how to cross the street safely! I'll again mention that as a kid in the US a few years after this we ABSOLUTELY had a bunch of things like the Green Cross Code, Fox is just a crazy person about this issue! :D

Well, at least no one actually dies in the Green Cross Code PIFs - if you want to show Fox some of the true horrors some of us had to sit through, you need to show him the dreaded Apaches https://youtu.be/UAQZaUixmpA (https://youtu.be/UAQZaUixmpA)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 09 August, 2017, 05:05:08 PM
Kind of.

Zellamy is a caricature of David Bellamy a British botanist/tv presenter - I guess the equivalent is a botany version of Neil Degrasse Tyson, but he was also a favourite (or favouwite) of impressionists, including Lenny Henry who did an impression of him on Tiswas, usually during a segment called Compost Corner.


https://youtu.be/TKn5otfZHxE?t=53 (https://youtu.be/TKn5otfZHxE?t=53) This clip will probably raise more questions than answers...

So...

Yes that is Phil Collins dressed as a sunflower
Crossroads was a daytime soap filmed in the same studios
Sandy was a character in a wheelchair in the soap...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 09 August, 2017, 05:10:41 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 09 August, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 August, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
Dash Decent is like a giant sink hole of British pop culture stuff! I guess the lisping doctor Zellemy is based off and impression of a TV actor named Bellemy from a children's show called Tiswas? It's ridiculous!

David Bellamy was a botanist and TV presenter, and I think Lenny Henry used to do an impersonation of him on TISWAS - although I think TISWAS was a London only programme that most of the country never actually saw.  We were still getting repeats of The Banana Splits in my area (Southern) at the time.

Oh, and both he and Walter's speech impediments aren't lisps, it's a rhotacism.  Lithping characterth turn up eventhually, donth worry.

Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 August, 2017, 04:33:38 PM
I keep trying to explain that kids don't naturally know how to cross the street safely! I'll again mention that as a kid in the US a few years after this we ABSOLUTELY had a bunch of things like the Green Cross Code, Fox is just a crazy person about this issue! :D

Well, at least no one actually dies in the Green Cross Code PIFs - if you want to show Fox some of the true horrors some of us had to sit through, you need to show him the dreaded Apaches https://youtu.be/UAQZaUixmpA (https://youtu.be/UAQZaUixmpA)

Tiswas was ATV/Central filmed in Birmingham - we got it in the midlands (before the volgs nuked it), I expect it was just midlands and London that had Tiswas to start with.

One of the presenters came to our school for some event and I had a home-made Darth Vader costume (for reasons I don't remember), he asked my Dad if he could make one for his son, and we ended up getting tickets to the studio.

All the parents were stuck in the cage to have water/stuff thrown at them, but my Dad got to hang out with the cast of Crossroads...

I won't bother trying to explain the dying fly or the phantom flan flinger...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 09 August, 2017, 06:28:38 PM
David Bellamy is immortalised in the prog more memorably when he appeared in Dredd as 'David Baloney' sometime around the 300s.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 09 August, 2017, 06:32:08 PM
We had Tiswas in darkest Lancashire - I remember Sally James's garters with particular fondness...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 August, 2017, 08:00:13 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 09 August, 2017, 05:05:08 PMThis clip will probably raise more questions than answers...

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 09 August, 2017, 06:32:08 PM

We had Tiswas in darkest Lancashire - I remember Sally James's garters with particular fondness...

*sigh* Sally James...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 09 August, 2017, 08:18:13 PM
Just for you, DDD.


(http://www.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/main_wide/public/images/14465.jpg?itok=0JecGcVj)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 August, 2017, 01:55:05 PM
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Judge Dredd heads out into the deadly wastes of the former United States in The Cursed Earth, the first in our series of Space Spinner Collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This week we load up our Land Raiders to head to Mega-City 2, and fight all the mutants, giant rats, dinosaurs, and relics of the old world that get in our path.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 August, 2017, 05:22:50 PM
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In our thrilling fifty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 180-183 of 2000 AD, covering October of 1980. Join us as we finish the quest for the Judge Child, figure out how robots fit into the Mean Arena, and go to the vats with Meltdown Man! Also Johnny Alpha accepts a bounty on Hitler. LET THE SHOW BEGIN!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 14 August, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
+++Spacespinner 2000 educational supplement+++

I'd mistakenly assumed teddy boys were solely influenced by 50s US Rock music, but it seems,  that the name stems from an Edwardian influence (shortened to Teddy), but then adopted aspects from the US.

http://www.edwardianteddyboy.com/page2.htm (http://www.edwardianteddyboy.com/page2.htm)

+++Spacespinner 2000 educational supplement+++
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2017, 06:04:32 PM
Well far from it taking me an age to get through these I'm fair pounding through them I'm finding them so enjoyable.

A recent camping trip saw me get to episode 42 and also reminded me of a question that I've been meaning to ask. You often to refer to things people might do if they are following along. Are you aware of people doing that. Has your infectious enjoyment... well infected people? Do you think you've got folks engaged with the Galaxies Greatest?

I'm sure I could do a little work, put some effort in and find out for myself from your various social media platforms... but you can't seriously expect a lazy ass like myself to do things for himself can you... after all I've still got another 15 or so episodes to catch up on...

... You chaps might sometimes have some crazy opinions - one day I will sit you down and if necessary beat your love of the hideous Disaster 1990 out of you... but man I'm loving your work. So before I forget thanks for all the fun times... as you American types seem to say... a LOT!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 14 August, 2017, 08:39:29 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 09 August, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
David Bellamy was a botanist and TV presenter, and I think Lenny Henry used to do an impersonation of him on TISWAS - although I think TISWAS was a London only programme that most of the country never actually saw.  We were still getting repeats of The Banana Splits in my area (Southern) at the time.
I would have been either in the Anglia region or Midlands and I saw it.
Quote
Oh, and both he and Walter's speech impediments aren't lisps, it's a rhotacism.  Lithping characterth turn up eventhually, donth worry.
Yeah, typically, people with (just) a lisp would be able to pronounce rhoticism pretty well, while people with a rhoticism would be able to pronounce lisp, but not the condition that they suffer from.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 14 August, 2017, 08:40:45 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 09 August, 2017, 06:28:38 PM
David Bellamy is immortalised in the prog more memorably when he appeared in Dredd as 'David Baloney' sometime around the 300s.

Bob and Carol and Ted and Ringo, which is also a 1970s cultural reference...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 14 August, 2017, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 09 August, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
Re the Green Cross Man - I saw Dave Prowse give a talk recently and he says this is his proudest achievement - for 5 years he toured schools as well as doing the TV ads and the campaign halved child road deaths in the UK from 20,000 to 10,000 - for which he was later awarded a MBE by the Queen
Saving the lives of 10,000 children is truly something to be proud of.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 August, 2017, 12:24:06 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 14 August, 2017, 06:04:32 PM
Well far from it taking me an age to get through these I'm fair pounding through them I'm finding them so enjoyable.

A recent camping trip saw me get to episode 42 and also reminded me of a question that I've been meaning to ask. You often to refer to things people might do if they are following along. Are you aware of people doing that. Has your infectious enjoyment... well infected people? Do you think you've got folks engaged with the Galaxies Greatest?

I'm sure I could do a little work, put some effort in and find out for myself from your various social media platforms... but you can't seriously expect a lazy ass like myself to do things for himself can you... after all I've still got another 15 or so episodes to catch up on...

... You chaps might sometimes have some crazy opinions - one day I will sit you down and if necessary beat your love of the hideous Disaster 1990 out of you... but man I'm loving your work. So before I forget thanks for all the fun times... as you American types seem to say... a LOT!

I don't know how many (if any) new fans we've brought to the table. It can admittedly be a little difficult to actually follow along if you haven't managed to acquire copies of the comics somewhere. One thing we've just started doing are collections based around various graphic novel collections that can be purchased more easily. So far almost all of the people I've heard from have been old fans listening for nostalgia purposes, which is perfectly fine, imo. That said, we certainly appreciate being suggested to other people, we're still a growing podcast and every listener is great!

Also, while certainly not a top thrill, Disaster 1990 isn't THAT bad! It's a mid-level thrill and an action sequel in the purest sense (like Die Hard vs Die Hard 2). But memories of truly crappy thrills combined with fond memories of Invasion definitely made me give it a easy time.

Quote from: sheridan on 14 August, 2017, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 09 August, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
Re the Green Cross Man - I saw Dave Prowse give a talk recently and he says this is his proudest achievement - for 5 years he toured schools as well as doing the TV ads and the campaign halved child road deaths in the UK from 20,000 to 10,000 - for which he was later awarded a MBE by the Queen
Saving the lives of 10,000 children is truly something to be proud of.

Definitely agree!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 15 August, 2017, 12:55:20 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 August, 2017, 12:24:06 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 14 August, 2017, 08:41:45 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 09 August, 2017, 12:40:38 PM
Re the Green Cross Man - I saw Dave Prowse give a talk recently and he says this is his proudest achievement - for 5 years he toured schools as well as doing the TV ads and the campaign halved child road deaths in the UK from 20,000 to 10,000 - for which he was later awarded a MBE by the Queen
Saving the lives of 10,000 children is truly something to be proud of.

Definitely agree!

Of course, when I met him I was just disappointed that he wasn't dressed like Darth Vader.  And when I took his autograph home I compared it with the DV one I'd gotten in a toy shop a few years earlier and noted that the "Da"s in "Darth" and "Dave" did not match up (still got both of them somewhere, side by side in the pages of a book).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 15 August, 2017, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 14 August, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
+++Spacespinner 2000 educational supplement+++

I'd mistakenly assumed teddy boys were solely influenced by 50s US Rock music, but it seems,  that the name stems from an Edwardian influence (shortened to Teddy), but then adopted aspects from the US.

http://www.edwardianteddyboy.com/page2.htm (http://www.edwardianteddyboy.com/page2.htm)

+++Spacespinner 2000 educational supplement+++

Wait, so as well as never getting glam rock, prog rock, punk, post punk, New Wave, New Romantic or the Ska/2-Tone movement, the US never got the early 80s Rockabilly Revival either? What else is there?!?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 15 August, 2017, 02:20:06 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 14 August, 2017, 08:39:29 PM
I would have been either in the Anglia region or Midlands and I saw it.
Quote

Yes, it looks like it was actually on in my area after all and I just never watched it (it does look pretty tedious, to be honest).  I don't recall watching Swap Shop, either - frankly, Noel Edmonds has always given me the creeps.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 August, 2017, 03:44:35 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 15 August, 2017, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 14 August, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
+++Spacespinner 2000 educational supplement+++

I'd mistakenly assumed teddy boys were solely influenced by 50s US Rock music, but it seems,  that the name stems from an Edwardian influence (shortened to Teddy), but then adopted aspects from the US.

http://www.edwardianteddyboy.com/page2.htm (http://www.edwardianteddyboy.com/page2.htm)

+++Spacespinner 2000 educational supplement+++

Wait, so as well as never getting glam rock, prog rock, punk, post punk, New Wave, New Romantic or the Ska/2-Tone movement, the US never got the early 80s Rockabilly Revival either? What else is there?!?

I'm not sure what we did and didn't get! I have trouble with this early 80s nostalgia because I was a baby during it! Definitely don't mistake my half-assed research for evidence of larger trends :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 August, 2017, 05:43:38 PM
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The world's most wanted polar bear is on the loose in Shako, the second in our series of Space Spinner Collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This week we head to frozen north and the dawn of 2000AD as murderous bear Shako evades and destroys everything the CIA can throw at him! Listen to his adventures, and learn why Shako makes King Kong look like a pet chimp!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 18 August, 2017, 06:49:36 PM
Wot no Invasion?

Great stuff from Shako, and you guys really have a fresh perspective on this. I haven't read it and don't have access to it but I had alwats assumed it was a bit of a damp squib, seeing as though it wasn't considered good enough for the launch lineup.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 18 August, 2017, 06:52:11 PM
[shameless self-promotion dept]If you like polar bears and you like hyper-powered secret agents, get yourself a copy of Issue 22 of Zarjaz, the 2000AD fanzine, and marvel at the M.A.C.H. 1 - Shako crossover![/shameless self-promotion dept]
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 August, 2017, 07:22:50 PM
We moved Invasion back a bit because I'm also talking about it on the Mega City Bookclub podcast, and thought it would be fun to make the week of September 10th Invasion Week!

Also, I'd definitely consider Shako a forgotten classic, despite its reputation!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Bolt-01 on 19 August, 2017, 12:33:20 PM
Heck, Shark- we've got much more Polar Bear action than just Zarjaz #22

(http://www.futurequake.co.uk/imagebucket/CoverWebbies/CoverZ2.22Mini.jpg)

Shop Link (http://www.futurequake.co.uk/zarjaz/zarjaz-22/), Contents link (https://futurequake.wordpress.com/2014/11/02/zarjaz-22/)

We also have:
(https://futurequake.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/c1c88-shakoblo.jpg)
SHAKO- Snack Attack by Richmond Clements and Bryan Coyle (https://futurequake.wordpress.com/2010/03/02/shako-snack-attack/)

Also- Judge Dredd- The Right to arm Bears Pdf link (http://www.futurequake.co.uk/imagebucket/Downloads/JD-TheRightToArmBears.pdf) by Lee Robson and Bryan Coyle...

I see a pattern here.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 19 August, 2017, 03:48:23 PM
Woo-hoo!

Or should I say, ggrraaaargghh!!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 August, 2017, 06:55:58 PM
This is important information that I am excited to act upon! SHAKO 4 EVA
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 19 August, 2017, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 August, 2017, 07:22:50 PM
Also, I'd definitely consider Shako a forgotten classic, despite its reputation!

Oh, I think that Shako is fondly remembered by those who read it the first time around - most of us first saw it as a much hacked about reprint in one of the annuals, which didn't do it any favours.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2017, 07:29:08 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 19 August, 2017, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 August, 2017, 07:22:50 PM
Also, I'd definitely consider Shako a forgotten classic, despite its reputation!

Oh, I think that Shako is fondly remembered by those who read it the first time around - most of us first saw it as a much hacked about reprint in one of the annuals, which didn't do it any favours.

Yeah defo. While its no Flesh (but then what is) I do think its considered one of the early jewels in Tharg's crown. Certainly when I've discussed it here the thoughts of folks joining in has been overwhelmingly positive.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 19 August, 2017, 09:15:43 PM
It was one of my favourites too, although I must admit that as a sharkling I mispronounced the name as Shake-oh, which grizzled old me still thinks sounds better, somehow.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: TordelBack on 19 August, 2017, 09:20:12 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 19 August, 2017, 09:15:43 PM
It was one of my favourites too, although I must admit that as a sharkling I mispronounced the name as Shake-oh, which grizzled old me still thinks sounds better, somehow.

You're not alone there, Shark-oh. Although I hear Pat maintains it's actually pronounced ''Shawk-nya'.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 19 August, 2017, 09:29:33 PM
"Shawk-nya" - brilliant, now I have hot chocolate all over my chin!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 August, 2017, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 19 August, 2017, 09:20:12 PM
You're not alone there, Shark-oh. Although I hear Pat maintains it's actually pronounced ''Shawk-nya'.

What! This information is making me question everything I believe! Even more so than learning that M.A.C.H. 1 is pronounced "Mack 1" instead of "Mock 1." But somehow less than learning that it's "Jerry" Finley-Day instead of "Gary" Finley-Day. Pronouncing things is hard!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 20 August, 2017, 05:26:57 PM
I used to mispronounce MACH 1 too. I called it "Match 1."

No wonder I is become an writist...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 20 August, 2017, 06:02:33 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 August, 2017, 05:04:49 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 19 August, 2017, 09:20:12 PM
You're not alone there, Shark-oh. Although I hear Pat maintains it's actually pronounced ''Shawk-nya'.

What! This information is making me question everything I believe! Even more so than learning that M.A.C.H. 1 is pronounced "Mack 1" instead of "Mock 1." But somehow less than learning that it's "Jerry" Finley-Day instead of "Gary" Finley-Day. Pronouncing things is hard!

In case you don't know he's just messing with you...

The pronunciation of Sláine should be Slawnya rather than the more common Slain and that comes up occasionally.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 August, 2017, 06:37:48 PM
Just listened to the Cursed Earth Episode (Jez I've almost caught up - how the hell did that happen!) and while I tend not to buy trades of comics I already own it appears I like listening to Pod casts of stuff I've already heard. Nice work, well edited together and with the 'Introduction' and the 'Bonus Material' at the end it really worked. Really looking forward to the Shako one now... but I hope to have something cute to  go with that ... we'll see.

Anyway Conrad raises a very interesting question about the Cursed Earth I misquote.

"Can Cursed Earth be considered the greatest Dredd story since its missing that vital character of Mega City One".

To which I answer yes... I'm not sure it is... but it might be.

See the absense of Mega City One for me defines it as a Dredd story, its about Joe Dredd the person, not Judge Dredd the impecible upholder of the law. Away from the system that defines his actions we get to see Dredd the man. As has often been said it shows a far more heroic Dredd, a more traditional hero character. That though is who Dredd is as a man. Sure he's hard, mean, surly bastard, but the man himself is an out and out hero. He's determined, indefatigable but released from the city and the law that so shapes him we see that yes indeed he's a relentless pursuer of justice in its real sense, rather than the justice as defined by Mega City Law.

You comment on the fact that during this story we see the look if Dredd defined, I'd also say we fully realise the character of Dredd too, unbound by the system that shapes him. So for me you could argue that its the best story about Joe Dredd rather than Judge Dredd...

... oh and you know kick ass dinosaurs - so that's double value!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 August, 2017, 04:42:42 AM
Dinos make everything better, that is a fact!

I think I mostly agree with what you're saying about the Cursed Earth. It's very important as the FIRST Dredd epic to really solidify what we like about the character and to define him going forward. I'm pretty sure in a couple places that the Cursed Earth is where Dredd becomes Dredd. I don't actually have a favorite epic to suggest instead of the Cursed Earth, but I love Mega City One and all of its ridiculousness so much that I just can't make a story that mostly takes place outside of it my number one, you know? Right now from what we've done on the show my Dredd epic rankings are:
1. <Vacant>
2. Cursed Earth
3. Judge Child
4. Judge Cal
A lot of me making a big deal about this is from right when they announced the Mega City One TV show, and there were a ton of articles suggesting Dredd storylines to be adapted to the small screen, and the Cursed Earth is always the top one. I really disagree with that, because to me you have to spend time building up the city before you can leave it, otherwise there's no contrast or sense of adventure or whatever. I dunno, just my random mumblings really :D

It's awesome you've caught up though! I listen to a lot of podcasts and it's always both cool and depressing to get caught up on a show, because suddenly you're getting drip-fed episodes. I'm glad you like the collections also, they are a blast to make if you're like me and love laughing at your own jokes :D Thanks for sticking with us!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 August, 2017, 04:54:06 PM
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In our thrilling fifty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 184-188 of 2000 AD, covering November of 1980. Join us as we meet a new entrepreneur on the scene of Mega-City 1, the Strontium Dogs go on travels with Hitler, the revolt begins in Meltdown Man, and we get thrown in the deep end immediately as we Return to Armageddon!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 August, 2017, 07:51:30 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 August, 2017, 04:42:42 AM

A lot of me making a big deal about this is from right when they announced the Mega City One TV show, and there were a ton of articles suggesting Dredd storylines to be adapted to the small screen, and the Cursed Earth is always the top one. I really disagree with that, because to me you have to spend time building up the city before you can leave it, otherwise there's no contrast or sense of adventure or whatever. I dunno, just my random mumblings really :D


Yes this is absolutely spot on.

As much as I love Cursed Earth a rigidly indecent amount, to launch a show called Judge Dredd - Mega City One with it would be kinda missing the point. I mean the clues on the title. That's not to say it wouldn't work on telly, far from it. But in a show called Judge Dredd MEGA CITY ONE... take the hint huh!

Now if they launch a spin-off I'm down with that... now a good launch story for the show might well be covered in your current pod-cast... though you might want to break in the craziness a little easier than good old Otto? That kinda turning the crazy straight to 11!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 August, 2017, 02:19:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KFVycit.png)

The pilot of the future blasts off as Dan Dare and his band of space criminals head off for the Lost Worlds in the third in our series of Space Spinner Collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This week we head to back to the very early days of 2000AD, and to deep space as English legacy space explorer Dan Dare returns to 2000AD after a brief retooling, and proceeds to have a bunch of awesome space adventures! Check it out, and learn why the "Battle Action Playset" era is our favorite Dan Dare!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 29 August, 2017, 09:14:05 PM
surprised the new ep wasn't posted here but you do know emberton was one of ian gibsons pen names right?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 August, 2017, 10:11:43 PM
I've been out of town and away from my computer with all the links and stuff I use to make show posts, will have it up momentarily. Usually I try to say something like "Ian Gibson drawing as Emberton" or something like that, Sorry if I missed it that time!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 August, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
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In our thrilling fifty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 189-192 of 2000 AD, covering December of 1980. Join us as we fight space zombies in Return to Armageddon, party hard with Johnny Alpha and Wulf, hit a pit stop with Judge Dredd, and consult with Abelard Snazz about Robots! Also, this is the month podcast host Conrad born! Hooray!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 30 August, 2017, 02:12:22 PM
You may remember Milton Keynes from Superman IV: The Quest for Peace where it played the part of Metropolis.

And no one says the z-word in Return to Armageddon - to such an extent that I rather suspect that they were forbidden from using it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 August, 2017, 06:19:09 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 30 August, 2017, 02:12:22 PM
And no one says the z-word in Return to Armageddon - to such an extent that I rather suspect that they were forbidden from using it!

That's a good point! Here in the States we had a formalized comics code that outlawed a lot of stuff like that (industry self-policing so the government doesn't step it). It had a lot of stuff related to horror comics, including zombies, because of the anti-comics moral panics of the 1950s. I know it also outlawed realistic pictures of guns, which is why most DC and Marvel superheroes fight high-tech bad guy groups, because they could draw all the ray guns they wanted!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 30 August, 2017, 07:13:11 PM
There wasn't an official code over here - closest were the likes of Mary Whitehouse, or tabloid outrage (see Action) (Mary Whitehouse = Marjorie Blackshack in the Dredd Exo-men story)

I think it was more actions that could be imitated by kids that was a problem, rather than horror in general - although the upcoming SD story with Bubo got some flak over people being eaten.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 August, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
The kids were wondering it was I was listening and snigger too over the last month or so. I played it cool, after all I'd tried to hook the kids into 2000ad a few times with little success. Anyway I told them it was just about my comics.Then a little about the stuff I they were talking about (not that I let them listen to it as you chaps are such fuckin' potty mouths!*). Finally me and the boy child discussed the positives of killer bears in comic form after I snorted at the Shako collection.

So shortly after listening to the Shako 'trade' I sat down with my 5 year old (same age as I was when I first came across Shako) and we read it together. I was a little nervous, cos ya know its pretty full on violence wise*... but it didn't do me any harm... well much... well maybe I should let others judge that... anyway he bloodly lapped it up. He looked a little nervous a few times but was desperate for me to carry on so I did and we'd licked it in two sittings.

Flesh is next up for him AND Otto Stump and a greatest hits from Case Files 1 has broken my 8 year daughter too. We're getting her straight to Cursed Earth next.

Arh Space Spinner 2000 the podcast that brings families together!

*Its so weird that I worry about letting my kids hear shitty fuckin' bastard twat language. Yet actively encourage them engaging with a polar bear ripping into into a variety of folks in increasing entertainly horrible ways!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 August, 2017, 12:12:48 AM
That is amazing! I'm super proud to be part of getting a new generation into 2000AD, no matter how tangentially :D Sorry about the language, when we started the show I considered asking Fox to try to keep it all G-rated, but decided that that losing battle wasn't even worth fighting
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 31 August, 2017, 12:27:57 PM
I tried to give a review using an iPhone but couldn't get it to work. I gave it 5 stars, wrote a few nice sentances, prodded the 'Send' text and entered a nickname but nothing happens. I can either keep prodding the word 'Send', which does nothing, or go for 'Cancel' which takes me back to the existing reviews list.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 August, 2017, 02:28:04 PM
That's very odd! I will look into it ASAP!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 31 August, 2017, 06:52:04 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 August, 2017, 12:12:48 AM
... considered asking Fox to try to keep it all G-rated, but decided that that losing battle wasn't even worth fighting

Damn fucking straight its not worth it.

Glad you didn't it adds to the sense of passion! Don't want to kids to actually get as nerdy as me and listen to things like this!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 August, 2017, 08:10:57 PM
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In our thrilling fifty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1980. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1980 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we'll give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 September, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
The fourth annual Spinnies! Where do the years go?

But guys, when choosing one song to represent the British charts in 1980 the best you could find was Grandma? Sheesh.  And Fox choosing an annual as top thrill? Surely the end-times are upon us!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 01 September, 2017, 12:19:03 PM
QuoteFiends of the Eastern Front should be a movie!

They did produce this when the hardback collected edition came out...

https://youtu.be/5cB1LWzZz8c (https://youtu.be/5cB1LWzZz8c)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 September, 2017, 08:15:02 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 01 September, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
But guys, when choosing one song to represent the British charts in 1980 the best you could find was Grandma? Sheesh.  And Fox choosing an annual as top thrill? Surely the end-times are upon us!

It's really an amazing turn around with the Dredd annual, a testament to McManus's efforts!

I always choose a top british single from the month being covered, and count the Spinnies as a December month, so we got Super Trooper and Grandma. Maybe I should make the Spinnies song the #1 single from the year? (For '80 it would have been "Don't Stand So Close to Me") To be honest though I'll take any opportunity to do something like Grandma, a super niche pop song that can only be sung with an English accent, like when we did "Matchstalk Men and Matchstalk Cats and Dogs" for April '78. I always appreciate local color!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 01 September, 2017, 08:31:59 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 September, 2017, 08:15:02 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 01 September, 2017, 10:06:53 AM
But guys, when choosing one song to represent the British charts in 1980 the best you could find was Grandma? Sheesh.  And Fox choosing an annual as top thrill? Surely the end-times are upon us!

It's really an amazing turn around with the Dredd annual, a testament to McManus's efforts!

I always choose a top british single from the month being covered, and count the Spinnies as a December month, so we got Super Trooper and Grandma. Maybe I should make the Spinnies song the #1 single from the year? (For '80 it would have been "Don't Stand So Close to Me") To be honest though I'll take any opportunity to do something like Grandma, a super niche pop song that can only be sung with an English accent, like when we did "Matchstalk Men and Matchstalk Cats and Dogs" for April '78. I always appreciate local color!

I think you mean colour <ahem>  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 01 September, 2017, 08:35:18 PM
Snap!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 September, 2017, 08:58:05 PM
I stand by my regional spelling!  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 02 September, 2017, 01:59:36 AM
Loving this podcast, and rereading all the stuff you guys are talking about.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 September, 2017, 09:10:31 PM
Thanks! Glad you are enjoying it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 September, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
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In our thrilling sixtieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 193-197 of 2000 AD, covering January of 1981. Join us as we meet some old friends as the Fink comes to Mega-City One, learn the history of street football and the Mean Area, beat some bad boys with Strontium dog, and melt down with...Return to Armageddon?

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 04 September, 2017, 04:36:50 PM
It's possible that the second Dredd tale in prog 195 is there because Dredd himself doesn't actually appear in part three of The Fink, and they might have felt the need to add another one because the comic is now called '2000 AD featuring Judge Dredd'...

It does look a bit of a rush job.

It is a reasonably accurate depiction of Southampton in Mean Arena, albeit Southampton from circa 1979.  It had been almost completely levelled by bombing during the second world war, and had been rebuilt in a hideous Brutalist style throughout the sixties and seventies - however, they spent the eighties and nineties systematically demolishing it all again so it doesn't remotely look like that any more.  There's also no giant stone memorial to Kevin Keegan (so far).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 04 September, 2017, 04:38:02 PM
Ah - prog 195 was my first regular prog! Looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 September, 2017, 03:45:26 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 04 September, 2017, 04:36:50 PM
It's possible that the second Dredd tale in prog 195 is there because Dredd himself doesn't actually appear in part three of The Fink, and they might have felt the need to add another one because the comic is now called '2000 AD featuring Judge Dredd'...

It does look a bit of a rush job.

It is a reasonably accurate depiction of Southampton in Mean Arena, albeit Southampton from circa 1979.  It had been almost completely levelled by bombing during the second world war, and had been rebuilt in a hideous Brutalist style throughout the sixties and seventies - however, they spent the eighties and nineties systematically demolishing it all again so it doesn't remotely look like that any more.  There's also no giant stone memorial to Kevin Keegan (so far).

That's an interesting theory about the extra Dredd comic in 195. It's art isn't helped by the fact that it's one of the first times Gibson had drawn for Dredd in the progs and it opens with a fish-eye view of him. Like I say in the show, that image especially looks like a parody of a McMahon Dredd.

The Southampton stuff is interesting, I assumed it was just "generic urban dystopia" like the warehouse/abandoned factory  districts that most superhero fights take place in.

Quote from: Leigh S on 04 September, 2017, 04:38:02 PM
Ah - prog 195 was my first regular prog! Looking forward to this one!

I hope you think we do it justice!

I also want to say that I am on the edge of my seat for our 1981 coverage, there's so much awesome stuff happening in the progs this year, as well as a bunch of really great show milestones!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2017, 12:25:41 AM
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Spread the Word! Hammerstein and his team of meknificent robots arrive on Mars in the fourth in our series of Space Spinner Collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This week we'll roll out with the ABC Warriors, going from the end of the Volgan War to the fontiers of the red planet as an awesome robot team is assembled and then begins it's super awesome mission! The story of the ABC Warriors is truly classic 2000AD and must be experienced. Once you do you too will be ready to SPREAD THE WORD!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Buttonman on 09 September, 2017, 09:16:38 AM
Late to the party and slowly catching up - I listen to then while out running and the miles just slip away. After some initial reservations I've even started to like the air horn and Fox saying 'Snap' all the time.

I like the detailed synopses of stories I can barely remember and visualizing the old strips whilst hearing your mad keen descriptions.

You should spend more time analyzing the letters however. The letters are important. I have a database.

Overall great stuff and thanks for your continued efforts.

Tiny error : You have three or four episodes on iTunes that say the music is 'Xanadu' by ELO - I use the songs as a point of reference to delete the ones I have listened to off my ipod - the music on the actual episode is different from Xanadu but I guess that's just the perils of cut and paste! Good tune though!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2017, 04:07:07 PM
Quote from: Buttonman on 09 September, 2017, 09:16:38 AM
Late to the party and slowly catching up - I listen to then while out running and the miles just slip away. After some initial reservations I've even started to like the air horn and Fox saying 'Snap' all the time.

I like the detailed synopses of stories I can barely remember and visualizing the old strips whilst hearing your mad keen descriptions.

You should spend more time analyzing the letters however. The letters are important. I have a database.

Overall great stuff and thanks for your continued efforts.

Tiny error : You have three or four episodes on iTunes that say the music is 'Xanadu' by ELO - I use the songs as a point of reference to delete the ones I have listened to off my ipod - the music on the actual episode is different from Xanadu but I guess that's just the perils of cut and paste! Good tune though!

We all have our little storytelling quirks! If you check out our social media feeds I try to post some art from all the thrills we cover, just to help remind folks of the excellent visuals!

It's a hard balance talking about the input pages, I agree that they are important and worth discussing, but in our current timeline it's often two pages of letters and the show is already getting longer and longer. I'm trying to compromise by talking about at least one letter specifically per prog and trying to summarize the rest.

Also that's a great catch about Xanadu showing up everywhere, I think I've caught them all and fixed it. We're all imperfect people, except for Tharg, who isn't really a person in the first place!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 09 September, 2017, 04:15:52 PM
The music really sets the scene, if only you could have a scratch and sniff card of whatever deranged flavour crisps/ice lollies/racist sweets it would really transport us to the 70s/80s.

I wouldn't mind seeing the odd scan of the reader art, especially the dirty low-down cheatin' tracers...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 September, 2017, 04:32:36 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 09 September, 2017, 04:15:52 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the odd scan of the reader art, especially the dirty low-down cheatin' tracers...

we can't be too far away from the shamelessly copied picture of a Beholder from the D&D Monster Manual by A Janes -I was at school with him and it was sooo good when another reader called him out and Tharg denounced him!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 09 September, 2017, 04:46:43 PM
Haha, so that was the person behind Tharg and the cheat?

Thankfully, my 2 art contributions weren't traced, although the first one looked pretty much like a lanky yoda in a dress, and the other one was just a desperate attempt to find a Tharg that hadn't been done yet.

I ended up with Tharg the ZX Spectrum... which no doubt earned me a kicking at school.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2017, 05:42:08 PM
I hate tracers SO MUCH! It's hard with the non-2000AD stuff, determining what's done by a kid that's good at art and what's just traced from another comic or sci-fi book. From what I could put together, Tharg and the Cheater was about this picture of a space pirate from Prog 149

(https://i.imgur.com/n1UOjcV.png)

If anyone reading this was published in the nerve center and wants a shout out, let me know! Otherwise I'm just generally on the look out for familiar names (for instance a Warren Ellis, possibly THE Warren Ellis, make s a couple apperances in the Nerve Center in 1981).

I'm thinking of making some best/worst posts for when we reach our one year anniversary next month, and reader art seems like a good topic!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 09 September, 2017, 05:48:48 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2017, 05:42:08 PM
If anyone reading this was published in the nerve center and wants a shout out, let me know! Otherwise I'm just generally on the look out for familiar names (for instance a Warren Ellis, possibly THE Warren Ellis, make s a couple apperances in the Nerve Center in 1981).

It is THE Warren Ellis, I believe (but it's apparently a different Chris Chibnall who responds to him).  You've already missed a couple of big name Art Droids making their 2000AD dĂ©but in the Nerve Centre, but keep your eyes open!  You even mention Adrian Salmon (in prog 9 or something) by name without realising he's later converted into a droid.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 September, 2017, 05:49:54 PM
and if you fail to give a shout out to Stephen Watson of Paisley's debut letter (AKA Buttonman, above), he'll never forgive you!

There was a thread here called "Letters to the Green Dude" featuring famous people's early letters and pics, but it seems to have vanished from the archive - it's name-checked here https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=21716.msg371479#msg371479 (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=21716.msg371479#msg371479) but the link goes nowhere.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 09 September, 2017, 05:51:52 PM
Ah I wondered what it was, no idea what the original was of - maybe Prince Barin from Flash Gordon?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2017, 07:51:42 PM
Argh how embarrassing! The 2000ad forums are so important for keeping me humble ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 September, 2017, 05:40:04 PM
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In our thrilling sixty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 198-201 of 2000 AD, covering February of 1981. Join us as Judge Dredd fights pirates and sows the seeds of the Apocalypse War, we get into showbiz with Return to Armageddon, we meet some animal brigands in Meltdown Man, and we start an amazing new story with Strontium Dog, Portrait of a Mutant!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 11 September, 2017, 05:44:46 PM
Pity poor Pole-Axe, who came up with an awesome pun based name (he's a POLAR BEAR with an AXE! He's POLE-AXE!) thus becoming 2000 AD's second most famous homicidal polar bear, whilst simultaneously becoming the second axe-wielding bear character after Ursa from Blackhawk.

Bet he fired his agent after that.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 September, 2017, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 11 September, 2017, 05:44:46 PM
Pity poor Pole-Axe, who came up with an awesome pun based name (he's a POLAR BEAR with an AXE! He's POLE-AXE!) thus becoming 2000 AD's second most famous homicidal polar bear, whilst simultaneously becoming the second axe-wielding bear character after Ursa from Blackhawk.

Bet he fired his agent after that.

I like to imagine that Pole-Axe IS Shako, like how in the Disney Robin Hood movie Little John is played by Baloo from the Jungle book. Like he'd been hanging around 2000AD central casting for a few years and Tharg took pity on him! That's why he gets his own cover, unlike the rest of the Meltdown Man cast ;)

It is rough though, Pole-Axe comes in as a "big guy" character in a strip that already has both T-Bone (a cool minotaur) and Tiger Commander (an awesome tiger dude) how can he compete?!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 11 September, 2017, 06:37:07 PM
Still loving this, guys.

One minor correction - Corn O'Connor, isn't based on cheesy gameshow host Des O'Connor, but cheesy gameshow host TOM O'Connor (http://www.tomoconnor.co.uk/), who had a segment called "Name that Tune" in one of his TV comedy shows (hence, Name that Crime) - the teeth are a giveaway.

Also, whilst there are occasional cross references between the Dredd and Strontium Dog universes, it's best not to think of them co-existing in the same time-line because the history doesn't make any sense - too many nuclear wars in all the wrong years. Wagner's attitude was always "I'm the writer, I can make up anything I want to make a story work" and he's often said they are separate. The "Millsverse" (Invasion, Ro-Busters, ABC Warriors) just about fits into the Dredd timeline, if you ignore few minor inconsistencies, like how nobody in Dredd's world ever mentions Volgs.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 11 September, 2017, 07:17:38 PM
What are the too many nuclear wars in all the wrong years?

Regarding the connections, other writers seem more interested in making SD part of the same universe than John does. Al Ewing in 'The Americans' and Michael Carroll in the recent one with NBK.

John seems to use it as just a bit of fun, but he is rather wanting to have it both ways - his Top Dogs story relies on Alpha's future being the same as Dredd's future - as does By Private Contract.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 11 September, 2017, 07:27:02 PM
ah, I'm not going to derail the thread by going into all that again - the topic's been done to death elsewhere, but the Britain we see in Portrait of a Mutant is only a few years after Dredd's (current) time and bears no resemblance to the Brit-Cit of Dredd's world. I suppose you could fit multiple wars into the timeline just about, but the nuclear war/post apocalyptic world scenarios in both strips do seem to be from completely different narratives.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 September, 2017, 07:45:32 PM
I'm definitely not planning on nitpicking or getting to crazy about the interconnectivity or causality of the various 2000AD thrills, that's not fair to the guys writing 30-some years ago who had no idea they'd have to account for it all in the distant future of 2017! I mostly mention it in the start of Portrait because I'd just read the Megazine with Kreelman and thought it was pretty neat so it was high in my mind.

Personally I tend to see all 2000AD causality the same way I see it on Doctor Who, where mentions of other stories or events are more like fun easter eggs instead of a crazy Marvel Cinematic Universe style interconnected house of cards. It'd be really neat if 27 years from now or so in Judge Dredd we start hearing reports of an assault on Upminster Castle by an army of mutant rebels, including a teenage Johnny Alpha, but that also seems like a LOT of work!

This is probably worthy of its own thread instead of here, but I've got a couple diffent cosmological models for the 2000ad universe that lets this all hang together neatly. One is "A Time Traveller Did It" another is "Tharg is Mighty and You Should Relax." I assure you this isn't going to be a huge part of our Portrait of a Mutant Coverage, instead we're counting down until Mr. McNulty arrives :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 September, 2017, 08:14:04 PM
It's obviously all due to a dense knot of pseudo-overlapping dimensioney-wensioney timelines banging into one another.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 September, 2017, 08:22:54 PM
I mean, if killing one prehistoric butterfly can change everything, imagine a bunch of time travelers killing thousands of dinosaurs for their meat! After going on awesome cowboy style dino-drives!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 11 September, 2017, 08:32:04 PM
Every bad ass's dna started with Old One Eye - she's the primordial Eve of destruction...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Smith on 11 September, 2017, 08:38:03 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 September, 2017, 08:22:54 PM
I mean, if killing one prehistoric butterfly can change everything, imagine a bunch of time travelers killing thousands of dinosaurs for their meat! After going on awesome cowboy style dino-drives!
I imagine time travel works differently in this case.Travel created an alternate time line or something like that.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: skurvy on 11 September, 2017, 10:58:29 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wwRz2PQt1GM/VYmXIPGzFaI/AAAAAAAAZrY/FId91638Ozs/s1600/Star%2BWars%2B%25238%2B-%2BSerji-X.png)

Thought I recognised that Space Pirate... Serji X Arrogantus from Marvel Star Wars 8 (although I would have seen it in Star Wars Weekly originally).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 September, 2017, 02:07:08 AM
Oh my gosh! This is an awesome find, and now my blood is RED HOT WITH RAGE AT THE CHEATING!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: skurvy on 12 September, 2017, 06:49:55 AM
Funnily enough the Star Wars story he's from is a blatant rip off of the Magnificent 7 (and, yeah I know, that was based on a Seven Samurai too etc).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 September, 2017, 06:26:25 PM
Quote from: skurvy on 11 September, 2017, 10:58:29 PM
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Thought I recognised that Space Pirate... Serji X Arrogantus from Marvel Star Wars 8 (although I would have seen it in Star Wars Weekly originally).

I saw that pirate in Return of the Jedi - they certainly had a busy reprint schedule!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 September, 2017, 06:27:26 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 September, 2017, 06:01:36 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 11 September, 2017, 05:44:46 PM
Pity poor Pole-Axe, who came up with an awesome pun based name (he's a POLAR BEAR with an AXE! He's POLE-AXE!) thus becoming 2000 AD's second most famous homicidal polar bear, whilst simultaneously becoming the second axe-wielding bear character after Ursa from Blackhawk.

Bet he fired his agent after that.

I like to imagine that Pole-Axe IS Shako, like how in the Disney Robin Hood movie Little John is played by Baloo from the Jungle book. Like he'd been hanging around 2000AD central casting for a few years and Tharg took pity on him! That's why he gets his own cover, unlike the rest of the Meltdown Man cast ;)


Do you think he spent any time in Mega-City One?  Getting involved in criminal underworld capers with Max Normal et al?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Buttonman on 12 September, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
It was the only time that Earthlet Pugh profited from cheating - unless he changed names and location for another stab at ÂŁ10.

JONATHAN PUGH   PORTHCAWL   203      
MIKE    PUGH   LIVERPOOL   1050      
JOHN PUGH   WALLASEY   149   YES   SPACE PIRATE
STEPHEN PUGH   BIRMINGHAM   246      THE EBONY WARRIOR

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 September, 2017, 06:21:10 AM
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Quack quack, listeners! Bill Savage, Peter Silk, and their band of rag-tag resistance fighters arrive to fight off the evil Volgans in the year 1999 in this, the very first thrill of 2000AD and the fifth in our series of Space Spinner Collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This week it's time for vengeance with Invasion! Starting on January 1st 1999, it's the tale of the the commie-nazis invading england, and the one man that has the strength, will, and shotgun to fight back against them! Invasion is one of our very favorite thirlls and is a fantastic mix of amazing action and gallows humor. It's Red Dawn meets Deathwish, and it's 100% fantastic.

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/7Ud330fcnwx)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000-cradeline-network/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Also check me out also talking about Invasion over at our 2000AD podcast cohort The Mega City Book Club! (http://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=43340.msg968463#msg968463)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 September, 2017, 03:55:50 PM
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In our thrilling sixty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 202-205 of 2000 AD, covering March of 1981. Join us as Judge Dredd deals with out of control superbikes and Pug Uglys, A robot rebellion beings in Return to Armageddon, we start arms running with Meltdown Man, a young Johnny Alpha joins the resistance, and Future Shocks return! I hope you brought your airhorns. Also this episode we reach an awesome milestone, we've now read 10 percent of 2000AD!

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/J2HR30feRnv)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000-cradeline-network/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 18 September, 2017, 07:51:48 PM
An excellent time to jump onboard the Space Spinner as Conrad and Fox enter the glorious 200s.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vanilllahubby on 19 September, 2017, 08:00:02 AM
Couldn't agree more! Jumping ahead to the next
episode I find it quite fascinating how many Easter eggs
are on the first colour spread of unamerican graffiti.
PS Conrad and Fox, how many Massimo cameos have
you spotted in meltdown man?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: 8-Ball on 19 September, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
Currently reading the Invasion! podcast along with the TPB. Bill and the lads dressing up as statues in order to spring a surprise attack on the Volgs is one of the most ludicrously ingenious (and insane) schemes I have ever seen. Just how long were they standing like that? Why did none of the Volgs notice that a bunch of new statues had suddenly appeared out of nowhere? Amazing.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 September, 2017, 05:23:59 PM
Quote from: Vanilllahubby on 19 September, 2017, 08:00:02 AM
PS Conrad and Fox, how many Massimo cameos have
you spotted in meltdown man?

At least one that we've mentioned on the podcast! Everyone in the distant future has delicate feathered hair, so a bald bearded guy does stand out!

Quote from: 8-Ball on 19 September, 2017, 12:05:31 PM
Currently reading the Invasion! podcast along with the TPB. Bill and the lads dressing up as statues in order to spring a surprise attack on the Volgs is one of the most ludicrously ingenious (and insane) schemes I have ever seen. Just how long were they standing like that? Why did none of the Volgs notice that a bunch of new statues had suddenly appeared out of nowhere? Amazing.

New statues that are all carrying guns! If I have one regret about my MCBC appearance it's not calling out how Mike Dorey always has at least one panel where savage makes a crazy, "I'm gonna kill every Volg in this room" face.

(https://i.imgur.com/rokmkfT.png)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 19 September, 2017, 05:33:58 PM
It's a cheap cosplay at least.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: 8-Ball on 19 September, 2017, 09:50:07 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 September, 2017, 05:23:59 PM

New statues that are all carrying guns! If I have one regret about my MCBC appearance it's not calling out how Mike Dorey always has at least one panel where savage makes a crazy, "I'm gonna kill every Volg in this room" face.

(https://i.imgur.com/rokmkfT.png)

I can just see Bill Savage coming up with this plan, "Right. I've got a great idea. We all strip down to our underpants, cover ourselves in mud, then sneak into Sandringham and then stand very still on a conveniently empty plinth until the Volgs walk past... then we blast 'em." I mean, how could it not succeed?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 September, 2017, 10:19:22 PM
I mean, the usual Bill Savage plan is "then I'll shoot down the attack helicopters with my shotgun!" So this one is actually pretty elaborate tbh!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 September, 2017, 01:40:01 PM
In our thrilling sixty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 206-209 of 2000 AD, covering April of 1981. Join us as Judge Dredd choppers up Mega-City One's massive graffiti problem, young Johnny Alpha foments rebellion, our heroes finally Return to Armageddon, we meet lionmen and camelmen along with Meltdown Man, Future Shocks continue with the return of Abelard Snazz, and CROYDON IS MISSING!

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Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: ming on 25 September, 2017, 01:59:37 PM
I'm loving these - just a joy to listen to.  As much as I want to get to the more recent episodes, I'm dutifully working my way through from the beginning (on episode 22 now and getting through them at a fair rate).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 25 September, 2017, 04:11:47 PM
Would not have put Bucks Fizz down as being concurrent with my ealry weeks of Squax Dek Thargoing!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 September, 2017, 07:32:58 PM
It was as that or "This Ole House" by Shakin Stevens which was this weird Elvis thing? It was too much for me, so let's do this "up with people" clone instead!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 25 September, 2017, 09:31:50 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 September, 2017, 07:32:58 PM
It was as that or "This Ole House" by Shakin Stevens which was this weird Elvis thing? It was too much for me, so let's do this "up with people" clone instead!

My best friend at Primary school at the time I started reading also read 2000AD and was a huge Shakin' Stevens fan! (I was into Ska, because I have always been cool! :/) 

Just hearing that list of early (for me) Dredds, it is no onder I turned out such a cynical bastard - unemployment and the system will crush you every time - great message for a council estate kid to hear early!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 October, 2017, 03:59:44 PM
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In our thrilling sixty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 210-214 of 2000 AD, covering May of 1981. Join us as the mutant army attacks Upminster Palace, we travel the spaceways with Judge Dredd, head north with Meltdown Man, and near the conclusion of Return to Armageddon! Also we have an extended conversation about audio cassette tapes, and Fox's mind is blown by the existence of cassingles!

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/NKr530fzNtB)
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Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 02 October, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
Love it when the cultural reference is lost, mostly because it then makes me research the thing I knew, but didn't know why I knew!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobby_Lud
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 03 October, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
Still catching up - in the late 50s now.

Re Fiends if the Eastern Front, there was a discussion about where they were from - Romania. Fox said 'Well, not Transylvania then.'

Transylvania is in Romania. I've been there - the place is creepy as hell, and you could totally imagine the vamps coming from there!!! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 03 October, 2017, 06:09:47 PM
2000ad editorial wanted to do a fan club....ipc didn't because they were cheap as hell thats why it never happened
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 October, 2017, 07:09:40 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 02 October, 2017, 05:08:30 PM
Love it when the cultural reference is lost, mostly because it then makes me research the thing I knew, but didn't know why I knew!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobby_Lud
This is excellent thanks! I tried to look it up but I thought maybe the "clarkie" thing was part of it? Awesome to get an answer!

Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 03 October, 2017, 11:04:39 AM
Still catching up - in the late 50s now.

Re Fiends if the Eastern Front, there was a discussion about where they were from - Romania. Fox said 'Well, not Transylvania then.'

Transylvania is in Romania. I've been there - the place is creepy as hell, and you could totally imagine the vamps coming from there!!! :D
I think we both might have been thrown by the fact that it's called "Rumania" in the text, which I definitely assumed was a different but nearby place as Romania, in some kind of Paraguay/Uraguay type thing. Yes, I'm dumb.

Quote from: The Monarch on 03 October, 2017, 06:09:47 PM
2000ad editorial wanted to do a fan club....ipc didn't because they were cheap as hell thats why it never happened
I wonder if the anti-fan club sentiment in the reader profiles were cherry-picked, or even if they were completely made up! False Flag reader profiles!?!?!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 October, 2017, 08:04:23 AM
Still loving the show and now I'm up to date with the weekly podcast it now comes with added anticipation! Its like reading the Progs all over again!

So in the latest (May 1981) you mention thinking that there was a James Bond scene with ice yachts fight is it possible this is being conflated with the ice yacht type thingie in Barbarella? Actually who knows as I might be misremembering that as well? Its been an age since I've seen that movie.

As for Return to Armageddon I completely see where you are coming from about the ending. The strip was always more about the journey than the destination, but in a way that makes it (the ending) work all the more. It reminds the reader that for all the batshit crazy stuff that led there this was still a sci-fi/fantasy story in a boys comic and all the wonderful stuff you had before plays out in wonderful juxapostion to the more traditional ending sequence.

That said even the end is stil kinda a little off kilter, you have nice reminders of what's gone before, as you say Seeker remains one of 2000ad great characters, though alas he appears less at the end. Also Amtrack while playing more of a typical hero role is still pretty bumbling until right at the end. He's always getting rescued and captured and what not. A nice gentle reminder that this is not the normal and while I do think the end is weaker than whats gone before seen as a whole for me it kinda works in its own wonky way.

Keep up the excellent work, I'm almost as excited as you are about some of the things that you'll be talking about soon. Still my favourite podcast out there and thanks for the continued efforts.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 05 October, 2017, 01:44:50 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 October, 2017, 07:09:40 PM
I think we both might have been thrown by the fact that it's called "Rumania" in the text, which I definitely assumed was a different but nearby place as Romania, in some kind of Paraguay/Uraguay type thing. Yes, I'm dumb.

I think that one is an example of evolution of language - Romania appears to have been spelt 'Rumania' in British English until sometime in the eighties.  There doesn't seem to have been any sort of 'official' change over, though.  Weird.

Romanians themselves almost always pronounce 'u' as 'oo' anyway.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: M.I.K. on 05 October, 2017, 03:32:49 PM
Yep. I still automatically spell it with 'u', because that's how it was written in most of the vampirey books I read when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 06 October, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
No collection again this week. I am not moaning as I can see Conrad put's an immense amount of work into this (the show itself, the Cradeline page, the Twitter feed, possible more) but these podcasts, along with the digital prog on Wednesday, have become highlights of my dreary week so I do watch out for them and get a bit disappointed when ther is a no-show.

Any chance of a Verdus Robo Hunter collection in the near future? I expect Flesh is a given
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 October, 2017, 05:37:52 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 06 October, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
No collection again this week. I am not moaning as I can see Conrad put's an immense amount of work into this (the show itself, the Cradeline page, the Twitter feed, possible more) but these podcasts, along with the digital prog on Wednesday, have become highlights of my dreary week so I do watch out for them and get a bit disappointed when ther is a no-show.

Any chance of a Verdus Robo Hunter collection in the near future? I expect Flesh is a given

Really sorry about the slowdown in collections! My goal is to do a bunch to get back on track this week! I think I'm 3 or four behind and will try to get many of them out this week. Based on your requests, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 October, 2017, 02:17:31 PM
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In our thrilling sixty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 215-218 of 2000 AD, covering June of 1981. Join us as the mutant AND the yujee resistance runs into some trouble, we learn more about the mega-rackets of Mega-City One, and we reach the end of Return to Armageddon! Also this episode marks the one year anniversary of our show, we're every excited! Here's to many many more!

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Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 09 October, 2017, 04:37:18 PM
Happy anniversary! I'm almost caught up, now, (just the latest episode to listen to) and I've loved them all. I'm giving these podcasts a rating of 7.5/7.5! Here's to the next year's worth of thrillage!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 09 October, 2017, 04:42:31 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 06 October, 2017, 09:38:26 PM
No collection again this week. I am not moaning as I can see Conrad put's an immense amount of work into this (the show itself, the Cradeline page, the Twitter feed, possible more) but these podcasts, along with the digital prog on Wednesday, have become highlights of my dreary week so I do watch out for them and get a bit disappointed when ther is a no-show.

Any chance of a Verdus Robo Hunter collection in the near future? I expect Flesh is a given

I may or may not be almost possibly responsible for this maybe.

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 05 October, 2017, 08:04:23 AM
Still loving the show and now I'm up to date with the weekly podcast it now comes with added anticipation! Its like reading the Progs all over again!

So in the latest (May 1981) you mention thinking that there was a James Bond scene with ice yachts fight is it possible this is being conflated with the ice yacht type thingie in Barbarella? Actually who knows as I might be misremembering that as well? Its been an age since I've seen that movie.

As for Return to Armageddon I completely see where you are coming from about the ending. The strip was always more about the journey than the destination, but in a way that makes it (the ending) work all the more. It reminds the reader that for all the batshit crazy stuff that led there this was still a sci-fi/fantasy story in a boys comic and all the wonderful stuff you had before plays out in wonderful juxapostion to the more traditional ending sequence.

That said even the end is stil kinda a little off kilter, you have nice reminders of what's gone before, as you say Seeker remains one of 2000ad great characters, though alas he appears less at the end. Also Amtrack while playing more of a typical hero role is still pretty bumbling until right at the end. He's always getting rescued and captured and what not. A nice gentle reminder that this is not the normal and while I do think the end is weaker than whats gone before seen as a whole for me it kinda works in its own wonky way.

Keep up the excellent work, I'm almost as excited as you are about some of the things that you'll be talking about soon. Still my favourite podcast out there and thanks for the continued efforts.

So, RTA is something a bit special for me still. Like, I'm not going to go out and hate something that clearly was astounding. I play a lot of games and almost all endings are never that satisfying, especially horror. Amtrak was this character I felt had something to gain from being put into this position where he is in constant pain and being treated like dirt, and eventually has to confront in some way the horrors of how he was treated by human beings.

This is ultimately what made me unhappy about it. I didn't expect him to be jaded, but I did expect that there would be some questioning of that experience, and if he truly should save them. Have his counterpart give him this conundrum and, as Amtrak appears to be turning evil, reveal that he's actually just using it to get close and stop this whole thing from happening. That string never got plucked and I feel it was a missed opportunity.

Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 09 October, 2017, 04:37:18 PM
Happy anniversary! I'm almost caught up, now, (just the latest episode to listen to) and I've loved them all. I'm giving these podcasts a rating of 7.5/7.5! Here's to the next year's worth of thrillage!

Thanks for the love!


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 October, 2017, 07:52:28 AM
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KLEG HAI! The insane Judge Cal has taken control of Mega-City One and it's up to Judge Dredd, Judge Giant, and a rag tag team of instructors and kings of underground rivers to stop him in the sixth in our series of Space Spinner Collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This week it's time for resistance with the saga of Judge Cal. following the events of the Cursed Earth, Dredd returns home to find the powerful Cal out to get him, and when the Chief Judge is murdered, all hell breaks loose! The third great Dredd mega-epic, Judge Cal is the always relevant story of a mad tyrant coming to power and a determined resistance taking him down.

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/hwQs30fLr3v)
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Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

(The episode won't be up for about 15 more minutes, but I wanted to get a jump on it here!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 11 October, 2017, 04:56:04 PM
with your two collection poddys you are spoiling us this week
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 October, 2017, 07:23:55 PM
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Head 'em and move 'em out! From the 23rd century AD to 65 million years ago, it's time to feed the hungry mouths of the future with Flesh! Join Earl Reagan, Claw Carver, and the hag Tyrannosaurus Rex herself Old One Eye in the seventh in our series of Space Spinner Collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This time we're heading out into the frontier of millions years ago to drive herds of angry dinos and eventually be killed by them. Tough cowboy Earl Reagan leads the cast of time traveling cowpokes as they fight everything from giant alligators to bloodthirsty giant spiders to tyrannosaurs with three human heads thanks to a crazy time-travel mixup! It's a great early thrill. Check it out and learn why Flesh is always on the menu!

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

There's still more to come!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 October, 2017, 07:02:43 PM
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In our thrilling sixty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 219-222 of 2000 AD, covering July of 1981. Join us as we conclude Portrait of a Mutant, the Mega Rackets roll on, the Jensen Gang strikes, and Nemesis the Warlock returns! CREDO! The second half of 1981 is full of premieres of classic thrill-powered stories, and it all starts here!

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Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

More collections to come this week!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 16 October, 2017, 09:28:48 PM
Oh/ My/ God

Ghost Town, Portrait of  Mutant and Nemesis... Don't think humanity has improved on this month
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 October, 2017, 09:52:34 PM
Oh I'm looking forward to my journey to work tomorrow accompanied by your thoughts on Nemesis.

I do however have another point to make. Are you in trouble, does someone disapprove of you recording your podcast. Do you have sensitive neighbours sicked by your depraved enjoyment of this sick British comic?

The reason I ask is the wrap around bits of the Flesh 'Trade' seemed like you were desperately keeping your voice down. As if recording under your duvet by touch light after your bedtime desperate that your Mum didn't catch you! It sounds clear and fine BUT hushed.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 October, 2017, 10:00:10 PM
The third quarter of 1981 has at least one historic storyline or thrill premiere, it's insane.
July: Nemesis arrives full time/end of portrait of a mutant
August: Judge Death Lives
September: Rogue Trooper premieres
BONUS MONTH
October: Ace Trucking premiers/The Hot Dog Run/Start of Block Mania (just one issue)

It's not until November or December that we'll really slow down with new and history stuff. It's a good era for podcast, but a tough one once we finally get to the 81 Spinnies and have to figure out the best one!

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 16 October, 2017, 09:52:34 PM
Oh I'm looking forward to my journey to work tomorrow accompanied by your thoughts on Nemesis.

I do however have another point to make. Are you in trouble, does someone disapprove of you recording your podcast. Do you have sensitive neighbours sicked by your depraved enjoyment of this sick British comic?

The reason I ask is the wrap around bits of the Flesh 'Trade' seemed like you were desperately keeping your voice down. As if recording under your duvet by touch light after your bedtime desperate that your Mum didn't catch you! It sounds clear and fine BUT hushed.

Haha! I do tend to speak a little quieter when it's just me, there's just something about talking to myself that makes me get a little self conscious :D It's a good point though, will try to be louder and prouder for the upcoming Robo-Hunter, Strontium Dog (Journey to Hell), Harlem Heroes, and the ultra-secret-mega collection that I'll be putting out over the next week or two before Thursdays turn into Special and Annuals day!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 October, 2017, 05:44:04 PM
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Holy Joe Smith! It's the year 2140 and Sam Slade, ace Robo-Hunter, is being sent to the planet Verdus to deal with a massive robot uprising. Along with his robo-meter Cutie and the de-aged and cantankerous Kidd all head out for adventure in the eighth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 Collection! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This time we're headed out to Verdus for some awesome action and hilarious situations! From the sewers full of robo-gators to the streets teaming with empty robo-taxis, to the stately halls of robo-parliament Sam and friends do what they do best, crack wise and bow up robots. It's another great early thrill, and one of the silliest of all time. Check it out, and learn why sometimes saving the day has some unintended consequences!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 October, 2017, 04:52:35 PM
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All roads lead to Hell as futuristic bounty hunters Johnny Alpha, Wulf, and the alien The Gronk pursue their quarry to the land of fire and brimestone! It's an awesome Strontium Dog adventure in the ninth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 Collections! ! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This time exploring a strange dimension full of skeletal horesmen, flaming rivers, and the devil himself in a story full of action, amazing art, and more than a few CB radio call signs. Journey to Hell was the second apperance of the Strontium Dog series in 2000AD (following its run in the discontinued Starlord) and it arrives here fully formed and super awesome! If you're a fan of Johnny Alpha, 2000AD, or action comics in general, you owe it to yourself to check out Strontium Dog, Journey to Hell!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 19 October, 2017, 05:00:54 PM
Thank you so much - this weeks podcasts have been a real treat.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 October, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
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The Heroes fly high in the tenth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 Collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This time we're heading out for future sports action with the Harlem Heroes! Basketball, soccer, karate, and freakin' jet packs collide in this awesome prog 1 thrill. We'll meet heroic Heroes like Giant, brian-in-a-jar Louis, evil villains like the murderous cyborg Gruber, and Aeroball teams from all over the world. If you like future sports you'll love the Harlem Heroes!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 October, 2017, 06:45:47 PM
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In our thrilling sixty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 223-227 of 2000 AD, covering August of 1981. Join us as we reach the end of Meltdown Man, Johnny Alpha returns to duty, we'll see the face of Nemesis, and JUDGE DEATH LIVES! We are in goddamn flavor country here!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 23 October, 2017, 08:57:53 PM
Don't worry - the Warlock's genitals are on display, it will just take a decade or two before Pat feels confortable enough to be explicit about it..... !

What a run of progs though! You have to give Mean Arena its dues, as it stops complete thrill circuit meltdown as we build up to the next level thrills once Rogue and Ace turn up!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 October, 2017, 06:45:27 AM
It does serve a key role as a thrill power release valve! Though I'm not super duper mad at it, the way I am with the thrills we're featuring this Thursday!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 October, 2017, 02:30:21 PM
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For every silver lining there's an angry dark storm cloud. So it is in the eleventh in our series of Space Spinner 2000 Collections as we cover our least favorite thrills!  These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This time we're torturing ourselves for your fun and amusement as we collect the four thrills we've disliked the most so far in our coverage of 2000AD. It's a rogue's gallery of thrill-suckers: Colony Earth, Death Planet, Angel, and Rick Random. We'll talk about what makes these thrills so painful and what could be done to make them better. While we usually pride ourselves on being positive, sometimes you just have to release your anger!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 27 October, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
Just finished episode 63 -

Jings! Crivvens! Help m'boab!! That was the second worst impression of a Scottish accent I have ever heard!!  :o :lol: :lol:

Keep up the good work guys!  :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 October, 2017, 01:52:31 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 27 October, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
Just finished episode 63 -

Jings! Crivvens! Help m'boab!! That was the second worst impression of a Scottish accent I have ever heard!!  :o :lol: :lol:

Keep up the good work guys!  :D

You haven't even gotten to the heart of my Middenface quoting!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 October, 2017, 01:52:57 PM
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In our thrilling sixty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 228-231 of 2000 AD, covering September of 1981. Join us as Judges Dredd and Anderson settle Death's hash, Nemesis plays the blues, we start the Kid-Knee Caper, and Rogue Trooper synths out across Nu-Earth for the first time!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 30 October, 2017, 02:08:53 PM
Who is the nice robot lady voice doing the links on the collections episodes?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 October, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 30 October, 2017, 02:08:53 PM
Who is the nice robot lady voice doing the links on the collections episodes?

It's so important to find good robot help! It's one of the voices from ttsreader.com (http://ttsreader.com). I figured a UK voice would fit in with the 2000AD content, and stand out from Fox and myself :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 30 October, 2017, 07:19:09 PM
She needs a space spinner 2000 droid name.
:D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 October, 2017, 07:34:32 PM
Wow, either Conrad had somewhere he had to be, or he had a full bladder, or too much recreational powders, but that was a heckuva pace! I'm reading along and could barely flip the pages fast enough!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 October, 2017, 08:00:04 PM
Oh no, Sorry! I got a little self conscious with the giant opening I had with Rogue Trooper. I love Rogue, but I feel like he's got so much going on that it's hard to explain with out saying a lot, and I know our shows have been getting longer and longer. Will try to avoid over correcting!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 November, 2017, 12:42:47 PM
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In our thrilling sixty-ninth (nice) episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1981 Sci-Fi Special of 2000 AD. This Special contains some excellent Judge Dredd and Nemesis the Warlock stories, and a pair of classic One-Eyed Jack stories that caused a fair amount of debate among the the hosts.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 02 November, 2017, 01:51:53 PM
Ah, R. E. Wright is a stock IPC pseudonym when something's been extensively rewritten and the original author wants his name taken off it (rewrite, see!)

In this case, this one is rather historical because the original author of Southern Comfort was a young fellow by the name of Alan Moore writing his very first full length script submission.  No one seems sure exactly how much Alan Moore material is left in it, though...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 02 November, 2017, 02:35:43 PM
is that the nemesis episode which was supposed to be part of book 1 but worked enough as a one off they stuck it in the special?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 November, 2017, 02:40:06 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 02 November, 2017, 01:51:53 PM
Ah, R. E. Wright is a stock IPC pseudonym when something's been extensively rewritten and the original author wants his name taken off it (rewrite, see!)

In this case, this one is rather historical because the original author of Southern Comfort was a young fellow by the name of Alan Moore writing his very first full length script submission.  No one seems sure exactly how much Alan Moore material is left in it, though...

Interesting! I must say, based on the amounts of panels alone I thought that Southern Comfort was an older strip, I guess my pallette still needs to develop. I wish I had known that RE Wright thing earlier, because the upcoming annuals have him writing a lot of early thrills!

Quote from: The Monarch on 02 November, 2017, 02:35:43 PM
is that the nemesis episode which was supposed to be part of book 1 but worked enough as a one off they stuck it in the special?

I think it might be? It's pretty self contained, but I could see it taking place in the prison in Termight right before Nemesis starts the raid.

btw we're in annual season now, the rest of our 1981 coverage will have progs on Monday and Specials/Annuals/Spinnies on Thursday!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vanilllahubby on 02 November, 2017, 04:31:20 PM
This sc fi special was my first introduction to the galaxy's greatest! Btw is that Tom Frame in the
photo strip (second box?). Can't wait to here your opinions on ace trucking. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 03 November, 2017, 06:25:35 PM
Am I the only one who laughed when Conway and Fox discussed the woman who 'kissed Judge Dredd's helmet'?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 03 November, 2017, 06:50:00 PM
Quote from: Vanilllahubby on 02 November, 2017, 04:31:20 PM
This sc fi special was my first introduction to the galaxy's greatest! Btw is that Tom Frame in the
photo strip (second box?). Can't wait to here your opinions on ace trucking. Keep up the good work!

I don't know, but I think one of the guys waiting in panel three is art bodger Robin Smith, and I've always had the impression that the Alien Registrar was played by Richard 'Burt' Burton, as he looks a bit like Ezquerra's version of him.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 November, 2017, 08:25:30 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 03 November, 2017, 06:25:35 PM
Am I the only one who laughed when Conway and Fox discussed the woman who 'kissed Judge Dredd's helmet'?

You can really hear me think of and then reject doing a "No time for love Doctor Jones" type joke in the moment!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vanilllahubby on 03 November, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
More finbarr than short round!  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 04 November, 2017, 06:32:45 AM
one eyed jack available now as part of rebellions treasure of british comics brand fox approved*

*may be a lie
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 04 November, 2017, 03:01:53 PM
Just discovered this. Listened to one of the more recent ones last night, then the very first. Have now downloaded 2-8 to cram in when herself is at work. Absolutely wonderful, the joy is tangible and I sincerely hope they go all the way to current progs.
SBT
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 04 November, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 02 November, 2017, 02:35:43 PM
is that the nemesis episode which was supposed to be part of book 1 but worked enough as a one off they stuck it in the special?

The way I remember it, this Sci-Fi Special was published before Book 1 started in the Prog: so this was our first sight of Nemesis. Seems like it was written to be that big reveal (irritating that collections put it as bonus content at the back, and not directly after Killer-Watt).

Great podcast, as ever: only thing I'd do differently is rave a bit more about the extreme awesomeness of Colin Wilson's art on Dredd!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 November, 2017, 12:45:47 PM
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In our thrilling seventieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 232-236 of 2000 AD, covering October of 1981. Join us as Ace Garp his crew and their ship the Speedo Ghost head out into the spaceways, Nemesis starts a jail break, Rogue Trooper heads out to sea, Mean Arena moves to Manchester, the Kid Knee Caper concludes, and Judge Dredd heads out on a Hot Dog Run before BLOCK MANIA BEGINS!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 November, 2017, 12:51:22 PM
Quote from: Vanilllahubby on 03 November, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
More finbarr than short round!  :lol:

Heh, another incomprehensible reference!

Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 04 November, 2017, 03:01:53 PM
Just discovered this. Listened to one of the more recent ones last night, then the very first. Have now downloaded 2-8 to cram in when herself is at work. Absolutely wonderful, the joy is tangible and I sincerely hope they go all the way to current progs.
SBT

Thanks! Welcome aboard!

Quote from: Andy B on 04 November, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
The way I remember it, this Sci-Fi Special was published before Book 1 started in the Prog: so this was our first sight of Nemesis. Seems like it was written to be that big reveal (irritating that collections put it as bonus content at the back, and not directly after Killer-Watt).

From what I can tell the special came out right around the time Nemesis book one premiered, possibly even before fully body Nemesis shows up in the progs (Book 1 of course opens with a lot of Termight/Torquemada stuff). That is a bummer it's not part of the main story, as Nemesis having the Sword Sinister is a plot point of book one.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 06 November, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
black mambas a species of snake

also shame on you conrad for almost giving the game away to poor fox i dunno how far you record so i ain't saying what but you know what you did :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 06 November, 2017, 01:54:25 PM
Okay, a bit weird. I thought I was listening to episode five, and was enjoying them tearing the first annual apart... Then my phone went tits up, and now I can't find it again. Episode five seems to be something else entirely. Anyone point me in the right direction? I have 1-11 downloaded.
SBT
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 November, 2017, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 06 November, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
black mambas a species of snake

Sure, but that gets in the way of our "everything is stolen from 2000AD" agenda!

Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 06 November, 2017, 01:54:25 PM
Okay, a bit weird. I thought I was listening to episode five, and was enjoying them tearing the first annual apart... Then my phone went tits up, and now I can't find it again. Episode five seems to be something else entirely. Anyone point me in the right direction? I have 1-11 downloaded.
SBT

The first annual is episode 9, if that helps! Both episodes seem to working on the feed, maybe you just got further along than you though?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 06 November, 2017, 02:38:46 PM
Someone pointed out here recently that Nemesis does appear at the start. Cover of prog 222  :o A great spot!
(I'm on Space Spinner 25 or something so don't know how the Space Spinner guys treat this)

Anyway, I'm almost done Nemesis book 1 in the Ultimate collection and it makes me happy. First re-read since 1981 and O'Neill's art boggles the mind as much as ever...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vanilllahubby on 06 November, 2017, 05:47:11 PM
Finbarr Saunders and his double entendres, another classic British strip this time from viz.
If you get a chance you should check out viz.co.uk (nsfw!) Loved the high praise for ace trucking,
one of my all time faves! Re the hotdog run is it me or does the main villain look suspiciously like the
great Ron Smith?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 06 November, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
Quote from: Vanilllahubby on 06 November, 2017, 05:47:11 PM
Finbarr Saunders and his double entendres, another classic British strip this time from viz.
If you get a chance you should check out viz.co.uk (nsfw!)

http://viz.co.uk/category/cartoons/strip-cartoons/finbarr-saunders/ [NSFW]
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 06 November, 2017, 09:02:43 PM
A few more months of exposure to early 80s British culture, and you will never be able to see any reference to flaps, helmets or knockers without adding "oo-er missus!"  :D Also, a welcome return this week to the wonders of savoury potato based snackage.

Loved the description of the Gila Munja: "they're good at what they do 'cos they're crazy-crap monsters, dude!"

Interesting mention that there's little actual blood in Nemesis' sword battles - that's largely down to censorship. By this point it was almost a running battle between Mills/O'Neill and the IPC management, who insisted on inspecting every page artwork before it went to press - O'Neill would submit pages full of gore, and the assistant art-editors ("bodgers") would be ordered to white-out anything too extreme, especially blood-sprays - look out for suspicious white spaces in otherwise detailed panels, and a classic example where Nemesis plunges his sword up to the hilt in a guy's chest, but they've removed the blade coming out of his back, so it looks like one of those collapsible prop-swords.

Re: Block Mania - McMahon absolutely hated drawing this strip because every other panel was a humungous crowd scene, and it's one of the reasons he drew less and less Dredd from here on.

Looking forward to his artwork in the 82 Dredd annual though. You won't notice this if you're reading digital, but the worst thing about that book was the terrible production quality - as soon as you cracked the spine, the pages just started falling out, whereas my 81 annual is still solid as a rock
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 06 November, 2017, 09:07:39 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 June, 1970, 07:22:58 PM

Sure, but that gets in the way of our "everything is stolen from 2000AD" agenda!

Quote from: SmallBlueThing(Reborn) on 06 November, 2017, 01:54:25 PM


The first annual is episode 9, if that helps! Both episodes seem to working on the feed, maybe you just got further along than you though?

Ah, reckon I accidentally pressed play on the wrong file. Much obliged.
SBT
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 06 November, 2017, 09:09:46 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 06 November, 2017, 09:02:43 PM
...look out for suspicious white spaces in otherwise detailed panels, and a classic example where Nemesis plunges his sword up to the hilt in a guy's chest, but they've removed the blade coming out of his back, so it looks like one of those collapsible prop-swords.

That was Talbot, by that point - the bit where Nemesis [spoiler]kills Magna at their wedding[/spoiler].
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 06 November, 2017, 09:21:46 PM
ah yes, so it was - they didn't trust anyone after Kev!.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 06 November, 2017, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 06 November, 2017, 02:38:46 PM
Someone pointed out here recently that Nemesis does appear at the start. Cover of prog 222  :o A great spot!
(I'm on Space Spinner 25 or something so don't know how the Space Spinner guys treat this)


Ha! Very good point Fungus old chap. I was looking at that cover the other day and admiring the Nemesis Torque figure flanking it and it never occured to me this is probably Nemesis first actual full body appearance.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 November, 2017, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 06 November, 2017, 09:50:57 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 06 November, 2017, 02:38:46 PM
Someone pointed out here recently that Nemesis does appear at the start. Cover of prog 222  :o A great spot!
(I'm on Space Spinner 25 or something so don't know how the Space Spinner guys treat this)


Ha! Very good point Fungus old chap. I was looking at that cover the other day and admiring the Nemesis Torque figure flanking it and it never occured to me this is probably Nemesis first actual full body appearance.

Had he not already appeared on the last page of Olric's Great Quest in the Sci-Fi Special?  Not sure what dates the respective progs were released?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 November, 2017, 12:40:16 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 06 November, 2017, 09:02:43 PM
Interesting mention that there's little actual blood in Nemesis' sword battles - that's largely down to censorship. By this point it was almost a running battle between Mills/O'Neill and the IPC management, who insisted on inspecting every page artwork before it went to press - O'Neill would submit pages full of gore, and the assistant art-editors ("bodgers") would be ordered to white-out anything too extreme, especially blood-sprays - look out for suspicious white spaces in otherwise detailed panels, and a classic example where Nemesis plunges his sword up to the hilt in a guy's chest, but they've removed the blade coming out of his back, so it looks like one of those collapsible prop-swords.


Co-incidentally one of Kev's first jobs on the prog.

QuoteRe: Block Mania - McMahon absolutely hated drawing this strip because every other panel was a humungous crowd scene, and it's one of the reasons he drew less and less Dredd from here on.


That's an understatement - I've a feeling he didn't draw Dredd again until Howler, decades later (Titan covers and a page of Tharg's Head Revisited notwithstanding).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 November, 2017, 05:04:42 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 08 November, 2017, 12:38:54 PM
Had he not already appeared on the last page of Olric's Great Quest in the Sci-Fi Special?  Not sure what dates the respective progs were released?

From what I can tell the Nemesis premiere in 222 (with the border picture) are sort of contemporanious? 222 is late July, and the Sci Fi Special is listed as coming out in June, but it's not clear when the actual release date is to me. Tharg was definitely hyping up the Sci-Fi special as just coming out as Nemesis arrived in the progs.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 November, 2017, 01:37:56 PM
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In our thrilling seventy-first  episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest comic with the 1982 Judge Dredd Annual (Annuals are dated by the following year). It's the second Dredd Annual, and I think it stands up to the first one. Join us as we meet the fattys, fight space vampires, and take part in a mini-block rumble! We'll also revisit some classic Dredd stories and hang out with our buddies Max Normal and Walter the Wobot. Finally these annuals are pretty good!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 November, 2017, 01:45:07 PM
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In our thrilling seventy-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 237-240  of 2000 AD, covering November of 1981. Join us as Nemesis the Warlock and Torquemada have a zombie showdown, Rogue Trooper goes topside, Ace Trucking goes down a black hole, Mean Arena goes to Edinburgh, and Mega-City One goes to hell as Block Mania reaches a fever pitch!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 November, 2017, 02:59:29 PM
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In our thrilling seventy-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1982 2000 AD Annual (Annuals are dated by the following year). We've been pretty tough on annuals over the years, and this one has some pretty rough sections, but this one is improved greatly by the replacement of legacy comics with awesome classic 2000AD thrills. Besides some interesting new stories, it's a cool chance to hang out with our old friends from Flesh and MACH One!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 16 November, 2017, 09:08:02 PM
Episode 73: the 1982 annual, Old One Eye, MACH 1, Bolland in colour, and Kim Wilde with Kids in America. The hits just keep on coming!

Great stuff, guys.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 17 November, 2017, 07:37:35 AM
Yes, great work.

I am expecting a big reaction from Fox on the turn of events in Block Mania that should be coming up on Monday

These must have been exciting times for readers at the time. They were probably still poring over Judge Death Lives and trying to draw the dark judges themselves while Block Mania and the Apocolypse War pushed the stakes up even higher.

I am pretty sure the next two 2000ad annuals are worth your time.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 17 November, 2017, 08:00:31 AM
'...those leather clad Corinthians..'  Brilliant!!!  :lol: :lol: :lol:

I was laughing all the way to work!!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 17 November, 2017, 05:09:16 PM
Dudes - the Daily Dredds - 'not missing much'...!?!  :o

You DEFINITELY need to get your hands on a copy of volume one and review it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 November, 2017, 06:18:33 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 November, 2017, 05:09:16 PM
Dudes - the Daily Dredds - 'not missing much'...!?!  :o

You DEFINITELY need to get your hands on a copy of volume one and review it!

Lol, at least in terms of storyline effects on the main progs. There's so much stuff that's either part of or adjacent to the 2000AD canon that at some point you've got to prioritize some parts. I'm definitely going to check out the daily Dredds, but unfortunately we definitely don't have time to cover them as part of our regular Space Spinner coverage :(
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 November, 2017, 07:00:15 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 17 November, 2017, 07:37:35 AM

I am expecting a big reaction from Fox on the turn of events in Block Mania that should be coming up on Monday


Yeah I'm really looking forward to this one. Keep on keeping on chaps this podcast continues to be an absolute joy. Can't thank you enough for keeping it going.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 November, 2017, 01:30:35 PM
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In our thrilling seventy-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 241-244  of 2000 AD, covering December of 1981. Join us as Matt Tallon gets revenge, Ace Trucking gets jacked, Nemesis gets stabbed, Rogue Trooper gets laid out, and Judge Dredd gets his man, but at what cost!?

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 20 November, 2017, 02:58:18 PM
"Stay tuned at the end of Episode 75 for important news for all listeners!"

Noooooooooo!!!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 November, 2017, 09:21:27 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 20 November, 2017, 02:58:18 PM
"Stay tuned at the end of Episode 75 for important news for all listeners!"

Oh God please don't tell me your merging with Everything Come Back to 2000ad. Only Conrad transfers over and we get glimpses of Fox in Annual and Specials only!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 November, 2017, 10:22:55 PM
All will be explained in Thursday's show. Don't worry, we're still hard a work making shows, we just recorded one last night!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 November, 2017, 07:46:34 AM
"Billy club panel" - now that's GOLD!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 21 November, 2017, 11:15:01 AM
I don't think i could take it if the podcast got canned ipc style :o
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 November, 2017, 12:08:25 PM
Fox is reviving the green cross code man for a series of a public safety films in the US.

In a twist, he now has a Walter style speech impediment, and has been rebwanded the Gween Cwoss code dwoid.

And has an air-horn to scare the cwap out of any pedestwians twying to wun into twaffic.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 21 November, 2017, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 November, 2017, 01:30:35 PM
Matt Tallon gets revenge

I think that we're definitely supposed to be rooting for Tallon as a hero, rather than him turning out to be an out-and-out baddy - however, it's worth noting that Tom Tully gets replaced by an 'A. Ridgeway' in a couple of progs time. Nobody knows who that is, but I strongly suspect that it's 'Tom Tully under extremely close supervision so that this sports strip doesn't get the comic pulled' following the astonishingly gruesome death of the doctor character.  It was, after all, a Tom Tully sports strip (football tale 'Look out for Lefty!') that was directly responsible for the demise of Action, not to mention Inferno nearly killing the prog in 1978.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 November, 2017, 12:49:23 PM
Inferno had already been cut short/censored, maybe he was on a last chance?

Could ask Steve MacManus...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 23 November, 2017, 03:01:10 PM
we love you guys and you truly do need a rest to recharge the thrill circuits

a lot of serious things coming so maybe the rest is a good timing :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 November, 2017, 05:32:12 PM
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In our thrilling seventy-fifth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1981. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1981 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we'll give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. After this episode we're going to take the rest of the year off from releasing podcasts, but rest assured podcast PRODUCTION continues for the rest of the year and onward forever! I'll put out collection episodes over the next few weeks, so you won't forget us :D It's been an amazing year, and here's to many more!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 23 November, 2017, 06:10:01 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 November, 2017, 06:18:33 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 November, 2017, 05:09:16 PM
Dudes - the Daily Dredds - 'not missing much'...!?!  :o

You DEFINITELY need to get your hands on a copy of volume one and review it!

Lol, at least in terms of storyline effects on the main progs. There's so much stuff that's either part of or adjacent to the 2000AD canon that at some point you've got to prioritize some parts. I'm definitely going to check out the daily Dredds, but unfortunately we definitely don't have time to cover them as part of our regular Space Spinner coverage :(

Not even under your 'collections' podcasts?  I'm sure we'd all love to hear your and Fox's take on these wee stories, and how they flesh out MC1.

Anyway, no matter if you can't - what you're both doing already is very entertaining.  I cannot wait to hear Fox's reaction to the next Dredd epic...   :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 November, 2017, 09:46:40 PM
Hey chaps enjoy the well earned break. Half way through the latest Spinnies and have to say it emphasizes everything that's great about the podcast. Behind the joyous enthusiasm and great humour there's some superb analysis and fresh insightful perspecitive unjaded like some of us longer term readers.

Can't wait to have ya back, but take the time ya need.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 24 November, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
Although I'm gutted we'll have to wait a year to hear Fox's reaction to the Apocalypse War, I would rather you took some time off to maintain the love, rather then it becoming a chore or just fizzling out altogether.

Credo!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 24 November, 2017, 10:29:57 AM
A year... I could catch up  :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 24 November, 2017, 11:38:57 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 November, 2017, 10:25:05 AM
Although I'm gutted we'll have to wait a year to hear Fox's reaction to the Apocalypse War

It's only 6 weeks until the next year, so not that long to wait :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 24 November, 2017, 01:13:11 PM
aahh - I misunderstood - I thought they were taking a year off, not the rest of the year off.

Phew!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 November, 2017, 06:12:33 PM
I can confirm, we'll be back January 1, 2018, and we'll be releasing more collected episodes in the coming weeks, so content will continue at a regular pace!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 24 November, 2017, 09:57:33 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 November, 2017, 01:13:11 PM
aahh - I misunderstood - I thought they were taking a year off, not the rest of the year off.

Phew!
And in the meantime there's a Harlem Heroes podcast out this Sunday featuring a forum regular.
;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 25 November, 2017, 04:15:09 PM
Kids in America
Don't you want me
Tainted love

💕 the eighties  :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 26 November, 2017, 02:45:04 AM
That announcement had me worried, but turns out could have been a lot worse...

Thanks for all the entertainment this year, and have a great holiday!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 27 November, 2017, 02:16:12 PM
Yes, many, many thanks to Conrad and Fox for the free entertainment and enthusiasm. Frankly, you'll need all the rest you can get to cope with the thrill-surges to come in 1982. I'm predicting meltdown levels of hilarity when we get to Rogue Trooper: Fort Neuro.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 27 November, 2017, 04:49:54 PM
Yep, thanks again for the entertainment so far - enjoy the brief break, you've both earned it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 27 November, 2017, 06:33:16 PM
Yep, I can only echo what's already been said. A thoroughly enjoyable and entertaining podcast chock-full of insight and enthusiasm. I'm really looking forward to your take on THE Dredd epic...

Enjoy the vacation, creeps, you're gonna' need it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 January, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QUJY5W6.png)

Note: We had planned to start new episodes, but have run into some technical difficulties, explained at the start of the show.

Have you seen this boy? It's the twelfth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections!  These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

This time we're blasting off to deep space with Judge Dredd, Judge Hershey, and the Justice One in the Judge Child Saga! It's the third Judge Dredd mega epic, and will take us to exciting parts of the southern former United States, and then far into deep space. We'll meet heroes and villains that will be a big part of the Dredd Universe and see far more of the world (and beyond the world) of Dredd than we've ever seen before!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 02 January, 2018, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 January, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
Note: We had planned to start new episodes, but have run into some technical difficulties, explained at the start of the show.

Oh no! I hope you can recover the files, I don't think I can take any more exciting news for all listeners. I've been listening since this thread started (thanks Steve) and I'm super excited for your 1981 coverage because that's where my back-prog collection starts, so I'll be reading along with you!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 January, 2018, 01:22:12 PM
Yeah good luck recovering the files for the lost episodes. Hopefully you get them back. Hearing you both this morning reminded me how much I miss you, I miss you damnit!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 02 January, 2018, 01:35:14 PM
Ouch, best of luck with the hard drive recovery guys.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 January, 2018, 04:00:02 PM
Hi everyone, thanks for the kind words, and I'm sure you'll all be EXTREMELY stoked that thanks to some IT wizardry the files have been recovered! WHEW! I'm super relieved, I must say.

So the plan is (2000AD forums EXCLUSIVE UPDATE): On Wednesday I'm going to put out a special New Listeners episode, just recapping the history of the comic up to this point, then on Thursday we'll roll out episode 76 and get started on 1982! We're also starting our new posting schedule, with Prog episodes on Mondays and non-prog stuff (Specials, Annuals, the Spinnies) every third Thursday. It should both let us keep moving at reasonable clip AND be sustainable in terms of podcast generation. Anyhow, that's enough under the hood stuff, get stoked for new content!

Quote from: Echidna on 02 January, 2018, 01:02:32 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 January, 2018, 07:40:07 PM
Note: We had planned to start new episodes, but have run into some technical difficulties, explained at the start of the show.

Oh no! I hope you can recover the files, I don't think I can take any more exciting news for all listeners. I've been listening since this thread started (thanks Steve) and I'm super excited for your 1981 coverage because that's where my back-prog collection starts, so I'll be reading along with you!

I should mention that we've already done '81, and the bombs are about flying as we begin '82!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 January, 2018, 04:37:27 PM
And you came back to me.

And like the fool I am I took you back in with open arms...

... ahem...

... or in other words, really pleased you got the files back and bless whatever wizard wizzed the magic.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 02 January, 2018, 05:41:18 PM
Great to have you back!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 02 January, 2018, 06:20:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 January, 2018, 04:00:02 PM
I should mention that we've already done '81, and the bombs are about flying as we begin '82!

I was so distressed by your announcement I was temporarily unable to tell years apart. Now in a state of maximum stokedness!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 January, 2018, 04:02:49 PM
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Before we restart our thrilling adventure through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic, let's take a moment to get resituated with a New Listener Episode! This short episode features a brief history of 2000AD, and definitions of commonly used terms and concepts in the show. Check it out, you might learn something! Then stayed tuned for episode 76 and the return of Space Spinner 2000!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 January, 2018, 11:53:46 AM
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In our thrilling seventy-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 245-249  of 2000 AD, covering January of 1982. Join us as  Ace Garp loses his ship, Torquemada gets lost in space, Rogue Trooper goes high tech, the Slayers go to Reading, and the goddang Sov-Blocks strike!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 05 January, 2018, 05:17:25 AM
Great show!

Superman II might have placed higher if it had a kick-ass Queen soundtrack.

Flash Gordon is also a lot more like 2000AD...

"Open fire! All weapons!", etc
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 05 January, 2018, 09:30:52 AM
Good to have you back!

I properly laughed at your description of the biochips inside the computer.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 05 January, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I used to work in Reading and I know it well enough to say that all those directions in Mean Arena are accurate (especially the one about the shortcut through Woolworth's to get from Broad Street to Friar Street) and the Maiwand Lion being referred to by its Local Name of 'The Forbury Lion' indicates that whoever 'A. Ridgway' is he's a Reading native - although admittedly almost all the landmarks mentioned are long gone (Butts Shopping Centre, Forbury Park Bandstand, King's Road Office Tower, Woolworth's...)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 January, 2018, 05:16:37 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 05 January, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
I used to work in Reading and I know it well enough to say that all those directions in Mean Arena are accurate (especially the one about the shortcut through Woolworth's to get from Broad Street to Friar Street) and the Maiwand Lion being referred to by its Local Name of 'The Forbury Lion' indicates that whoever 'A. Ridgway' is he's a Reading native - although admittedly almost all the landmarks mentioned are long gone (Butts Shopping Centre, Forbury Park Bandstand, King's Road Office Tower, Woolworth's...)

That is amazing! Who'd have thought there's be a love letter to Reading in the middle of a future sports comic?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 05 January, 2018, 05:50:22 PM
or ever :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 05 January, 2018, 05:52:54 PM
Surprised by just how much I missed you guys in your brief gap - I don't (and didn't)like Ace Trucking as much as you, and I rated Rogue Trooper slightly higher than you, but generally your comments are spot on. It's easy to overlook in hindsight that lots of sci-fi cliches were pretty groundbreaking at the time - the idea of existing as a person in (what had not yet been christened) cyberspace blew my tiny mind then - this was a few years before William Gibson, and you do point out that we really didn't have terms of reference back then.

Oh and remember when I thought you were talking really fast one week? Just discovered that my iPhone has an easily pressed button that plays podcasts at x1.5 speed! How embarrassing!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 January, 2018, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 January, 2018, 05:52:54 PM
Surprised by just how much I missed you guys in your brief gap - I don't (and didn't)like Ace Trucking as much as you, and I rated Rogue Trooper slightly higher than you, but generally your comments are spot on. It's easy to overlook in hindsight that lots of sci-fi cliches were pretty groundbreaking at the time - the idea of existing as a person in (what had not yet been christened) cyberspace blew my tiny mind then - this was a few years before William Gibson, and you do point out that we really didn't have terms of reference back then.

Yeah definitely, like I said on the show, for the the story was hurt a big by the lack of vocabulary for what they were doing. I think Fox and I are both drawn towards the funnier thrills (Fox especially) but once we get to the Buzzard and all the players are involved I think we'll turn around on Rogue Trooper. Honestly if I knock it it's mostly because I feel bad about ragging on Mean Arena all the time :D

Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 January, 2018, 05:52:54 PM
Oh and remember when I thought you were talking really fast one week? Just discovered that my iPhone has an easily pressed button that plays podcasts at x1.5 speed! How embarrassing!

Haha that's happened to me too! It can be hard to tell sometimes because a lot of players will also pitch down the audio when you make it go faster so that it doesn't get all chipmonk-like, so it's just weirdly fast.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 06 January, 2018, 07:57:23 PM
So glad you guys are back.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 January, 2018, 12:06:20 PM
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In our thrilling seventy-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 250-253 of 2000 AD, covering February of 1982. Join us as Ace Trucking heads out on the great Mush Rush, the games begin in Mean Arena, the invasion begins in Judge Dredd, Nemesis gets caught up with some spiders, and Rogue Trooper goes undercover!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 08 January, 2018, 10:15:31 PM
Thanks Conrad - great to have you both back.

That bombing of hippy earth with MC1 TADs is brilliant. I like to think of it as the climax of a gradually escalating scale of violence that started with the ice cream being dropped on Melda Dreep at the beginning of Block Mania.

I like Nemesis book II now but didn't care for it when I first encountered it (3 or 4 years after publication). Torquemada is great in it but Nemesis doesn't do too much as I recall and Kevin O'Neil's touch is missed.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 January, 2018, 05:27:18 AM
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In our thrilling seventy-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 254-257 of 2000 AD, covering March of 1982. Join us as we roll on with the mush rush, fight back against the East Meg invaders, have a spider showdown, team up with apemen, and deal with outside interference in Mean Arena!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 January, 2018, 05:31:30 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 08 January, 2018, 10:15:31 PM
Thanks Conrad - great to have you both back.

That bombing of hippy earth with MC1 TADs is brilliant. I like to think of it as the climax of a gradually escalating scale of violence that started with the ice cream being dropped on Melda Dreep at the beginning of Block Mania.

I like Nemesis book II now but didn't care for it when I first encountered it (3 or 4 years after publication). Torquemada is great in it but Nemesis doesn't do too much as I recall and Kevin O'Neil's touch is missed.

We're really loving the Apocalypse War and you're definitely right, the steady ramp of violence and destruction really gives the story and epic feel!

It's interesting, I think your opinion of Redondo on Nemesis is actually a pretty common one. People are down on Book 2 because it's not O'Neill, and while I can definitely see that because O'Neill's work is so amazing and distinctive I think it gives Redondo a rough deal. He's done some really neat work in book 2 that is worthy of inclusion in the larger Nemesis canon for sure! Though I'm certainly excited for the return of Kev in '83 :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 15 January, 2018, 04:16:04 PM
Weetabix is indeed big blocks of dry wheat.  If you put cold milk and sugar on them, it tastes like sugary milk.  For some reason, whenever I went to visit my grandparents I'd be presented with a plate of three Weetabix with butter spread on them (admittedly, it was usually margarine, and on at least one occasion, lard) even though I never actually ate them...

At the risk of scrambling Fox's brains even more, it's worth noting that the whole of the Apocalypse War, including Block Mania, probably lasts under a week of Dredd-verse time (it might be as short as four days...)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 15 January, 2018, 04:24:19 PM
8 or 9 - it mentions the 8th day just before the mission to wipe out East-Meg One.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 15 January, 2018, 05:22:59 PM
I was always amazed that the Daily Star newspaper strip managed to tell the entire story in one comic!

And something occurred to me about those TADS that hadn't before - when warped to the alternate Earth, they crack the planet wide open - so if they HAD landed on East Meg 1, then Justice Dept would have destroyed the whole planet - not a great outcome and hardly 'justice'

and Weetabix with butter? Yuck - they were unpleasant enough with milk!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 15 January, 2018, 06:47:33 PM
Maybe Justice Department calculated that only one or two TADs would get past the East Meg defences, or that any surviving TADs would detect a couple of TAD detonations and deactivate. Still, one Hell of a gamble!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 January, 2018, 07:47:44 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 January, 2018, 05:31:30 AM
It's interesting, I think your opinion of Redondo on Nemesis is actually a pretty common one. People are down on Book 2 because it's not O'Neill, and while I can definitely see that because O'Neill's work is so amazing and distinctive I think it gives Redondo a rough deal. He's done some really neat work in book 2 that is worthy of inclusion in the larger Nemesis canon for sure! Though I'm certainly excited for the return of Kev in '83 :D

Yeah absolutely with you 100% on this. I yeah its not O'Neill good but damnit Redondo on Nemesis, taken on his own merits is absolutely amazing. I've waxed lyrical about it many times here before, and don't doubt I will again but Book 2 is a great story, with some astonishing art and a joy to read.

And this spiders are just so gloriously hairy!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 15 January, 2018, 10:02:22 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 15 January, 2018, 07:47:44 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 January, 2018, 05:31:30 AM
It's interesting, I think your opinion of Redondo on Nemesis is actually a pretty common one. People are down on Book 2 because it's not O'Neill, and while I can definitely see that because O'Neill's work is so amazing and distinctive I think it gives Redondo a rough deal. He's done some really neat work in book 2 that is worthy of inclusion in the larger Nemesis canon for sure! Though I'm certainly excited for the return of Kev in '83 :D

Yeah absolutely with you 100% on this. I yeah its not O'Neill good but damnit Redondo on Nemesis, taken on his own merits is absolutely amazing. I've waxed lyrical about it many times here before, and don't doubt I will again but Book 2 is a great story, with some astonishing art and a joy to read.

And this spiders are just so gloriously hairy!

So many great artists have worked on Nemesis down the years - I think I actually prefer Redondo's version of Novala to O'Neill's (Novala being the planet which Terrans attempted to terraform, but which outgrew the colonists).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Spikes on 15 January, 2018, 10:57:09 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 15 January, 2018, 05:22:59 PM
And something occurred to me about those TADS that hadn't before - when warped to the alternate Earth, they crack the planet wide open - so if they HAD landed on East Meg 1, then Justice Dept would have destroyed the whole planet - not a great outcome and hardly 'justice'


Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 15 January, 2018, 06:47:33 PM
Maybe Justice Department calculated that only one or two TADs would get past the East Meg defences, or that any surviving TADs would detect a couple of TAD detonations and deactivate. Still, one Hell of a gamble!





There's a panel showing a hospitalised Griffin being brought up to speed by Dredd  "You've launched the TADS then... You did right... better the Sov's perish with us, than rule us..."
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 January, 2018, 11:34:10 PM
Later on when the Dredd and the Apocalypse squad fire TADs from a hijacked Sov Silo they shoot 20 and only three get through. I think they were definitely taking East Meg 1 defenses into account when they fired. Making unleashing the on the peace world al the more monstrous!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 January, 2018, 11:34:06 AM
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In our thrilling seventy-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1982 Sci-Fi Special of 2000 AD. This Special has some fun stories featuring Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper, and Ace Trucking, as well as some truly classic early thrills!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 18 January, 2018, 01:43:00 PM
Definitely Scientology in Ace Trucking.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 18 January, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
That was possibly the funniest one ever - I was sniggering away with my hand covering my mouth to stop myself laughing out loud on the train.

One of my favourite things ever said on the show was at the end of the Sam Slade Verdus story where Conrad declared it 'another successful genocide for a 2000ad character!'.

Conrad declared an interest in peoples 2000AD origin stories in this latest episode and invited listeners to write in so here is mine.

I was 9 or 10 year old Eagle reader (it was pretty good, especially the Dan Dare which was closer to the original Frank Hampsen one, and Doomlord by John Wagner) and there was a boy who lived near me who was 13 who I looked up to a bit and thought he was really cool. He told me 2000AD was far better than The Eagle and lent me the run of progs containing Judge Death Lives. I loved it and immediately took up 2000AD from prog 300 which had a free Dredd badge with it.

Thanks for the laughs guys - keep them coming.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 21 January, 2018, 12:25:21 PM
Awesome 2000AD Soecial episode guys! Really funny, particularly the query re MACH1's methods.

Really cool hearing you covering the Daily Dredd reprints! My apologies for giving you 'guff' about it earlier, but super-stoked to hear you may be tackling the collected volumes at some point in the future!  :D

Looking forward to the next episode - I can't wait to hear what Fox thinks of the next part of Apocalypse War!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 January, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 21 January, 2018, 12:25:21 PM
Really cool hearing you covering the Daily Dredd reprints! My apologies for giving you 'guff' about it earlier, but super-stoked to hear you may be tackling the collected volumes at some point in the future!  :D

Haha no problem! Frankly it's super flattering to think anyone wants to hear our coverage of things!

The thing I love about the specials is that since they're so short (60 pages or so, half the size of the usual 120-150 pages of a standard month) they give us a chance to draw out discussions and go down rabbit holes that we'd normally have to skip so that the show doesn't end up being two hours long.

Quote from: WhizzBang on 18 January, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
I was 9 or 10 year old Eagle reader (it was pretty good, especially the Dan Dare which was closer to the original Frank Hampsen one, and Doomlord by John Wagner) and there was a boy who lived near me who was 13 who I looked up to a bit and thought he was really cool. He told me 2000AD was far better than The Eagle and lent me the run of progs containing Judge Death Lives. I loved it and immediately took up 2000AD from prog 300 which had a free Dredd badge with it.

Nice! We'll get to 300 soon enough and I'd interested to hear how our opinions match up with your 10 year old ones :D

Quote from: Steve Green on 18 January, 2018, 01:43:00 PM
Definitely Scientology in Ace Trucking.

Yeah that makes sense, it can be hard some times figuring out what movements are popular when. For instance there's a Robo-Hunter story coming up with a robot cult and I can't tell if it's just a parody of Hare Krishnas or also of the Unification Church. Always a fraught topic.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 January, 2018, 05:20:31 PM
Probably more the moonies than Hare Krishna, the moonies popped up in the tabloids in the early 80s, but Hare Krishna processions were quite often seen up and down Oxford Street in central London.

Then there's football crazy... ahem.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 January, 2018, 07:14:43 PM
The robo-world cup is really going to stretch my ability to research and comprehend 36 year old cultural references and jokes.

Also I've been reading ahead a bit, and the greatest tragedy is that the Human League in Robo-Hunter doesn't sing any Human League songs!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 January, 2018, 07:38:27 PM
It pretty much boils down to who was who in English football - managers/coaches/pundits/players

Ron - Ron Greenwood (England Manager)

Don - Don Revy (England coach)

Brians (pundits) - one was Brian Clough (Nottingham Forest Manager), another possibly Brian Moore, not sure who the other Brian was - got the feeling Jimmy Hill might have been in there (don't have it to hand)

Trev - could have been Trevor Francis or Brooking
Kev - Kevin Keegan

Bev - no idea, maybe just a play on the other 'evs

The title comes from an old song...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRBDX3nt_o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDRBDX3nt_o)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 January, 2018, 09:04:25 PM
Yeah Jimmy Hill is definately in there and its both Trevor Brooking and Trevor Frances as I recall aren't there two Trevs???
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 January, 2018, 09:22:45 PM
Yes there are.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 January, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
https://goo.gl/images/K2s5Sb (https://goo.gl/images/K2s5Sb)

The image middle left (3rd panel) I always thought the Brians were (from left to right) Jimmy Hill, Elton John (who owned Watford at this time I think?) and Ron Greenwood, then England manager... I could very well be wrong.

Could find an image of the Trevs with a quite search.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 January, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Surely Ron is... Ron the manager.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 22 January, 2018, 08:05:15 AM
I think we all have to agree, that certainly is a powerful image.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 January, 2018, 03:33:39 PM
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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 January, 2018, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 January, 2018, 10:43:08 PM
Surely Ron is... Ron the manager.

Yeah this always confused me (well on recent re-reads) as it looks like Ron Greenwood to me... as I say I have a reputation for getting this sort of thing right.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: manwithnoname on 23 January, 2018, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 January, 2018, 05:20:31 PM
Probably more the moonies than Hare Krishna, the moonies popped up in the tabloids in the early 80s, but Hare Krishna processions were quite often seen up and down Oxford Street in central London.

Then there's football crazy... ahem.

No Blakee Pentax!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 January, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
I listened to this in the week and meant to say I'm really pleased the way the break landed on the cliffhanger. I remember back in the day just being flummoxed by how Dredd was going to survive, if he possibly could, what would they do now he was dead, just endless conversations in school... and with my brother, though he had sussed it and wouldn't tell me... I was young and hadn't paid enough attention to the trip to the armourer.

Gosh that was one of the longest weeks of my life and one I'm so glad I was able to live in real time. A treat that box sets and collections deny so many and a fine example of why reading the Prog week by week is still the thing to do.

Fantastic word as ever chaps and I'm really looking forward to hearing tonights offering as I trudge to work tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 January, 2018, 11:47:11 AM
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In our thrilling eighty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 262-266 of 2000 AD, covering May of 1982. Join us as we solve the case with Sam Slade, restart revenge with Matt Tallon, and strike back with Judge Dredd!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 29 January, 2018, 12:58:29 PM
Die Hard in a Spaceship = Lockout? (With Guy Pearce, highly recommended as a silly action film)

Although technically it's 'Escape from New York in a Space prison', but that's close enough, surely?

Can't wait for you guys to get to Harry 20 on the High Rock, a highlight for 11-year-old me when I read it in the Best of... Monthly.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 January, 2018, 08:53:57 PM
Lockout is great, but I'm making a differentiation between "Die Hard in a Spaceship" and "Die Hard in a Space Station" because I'm ridiculous about these things. Meanwhile I'd say Escape from New York is it's own "Die Hard in a City" kind of thing. I'm also super stoked for Harry 20, as a similarly 11-year-old Conrad saw Fortress, and I've been obsessed with future prisons ever since!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 29 January, 2018, 09:06:30 PM
I'm pretty sure the guests ARE in teh pies, and a jumpy editorial or management dictat led to that rather fumbled "fed to the Krokilla" edit after teh completed artwork was in - From memory, Slade's horrified face always seemed to suggest so, I thought? Wonder if Thrill Power Overload mentions anything?

EDIT: Yep, TPO confirms this (pages 88/89 of the original edition) was a veto from above - Slade is a cannibal!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 January, 2018, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 29 January, 2018, 09:06:30 PM
I'm pretty sure the guests ARE in teh pies, and a jumpy editorial or management dictat led to that rather fumbled "fed to the Krokilla" edit after teh completed artwork was in - From memory, Slade's horrified face always seemed to suggest so, I thought? Wonder if Thrill Power Overload mentions anything?

Yeah I always thought this and the end was fumbled as editorial (or higher) lost their nerve... to be fair for good reason I guess. I mean hvaing your hero enjoy cannibalism is a bit much even for 2000ad... but my the very strong suggestion is glorious!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 29 January, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
Alan gRant: "Throughout the story we had Sam commenting on the pies at Blackheart Manor, how good they were.  He kept walking off frame to get another pie.  The last episode was going to reveal, as Sam bites into another pie, that that's where teh dead bodies had gone. But we wern't allowed to do that."

I'm pretty sure even as a kid I suspected they were being editorialised!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 29 January, 2018, 09:13:14 PM
They had those complaint(s) about the guy being eaten in Strontium Dog.

Possibly might have been a reaction to that.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 29 January, 2018, 09:14:04 PM
Excellent point!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 January, 2018, 03:13:04 AM
I mean, after being responsible for the deaths of thousands during the Verdus storyline some inadvertent cannibalism isn't all THAT bad!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 30 January, 2018, 10:36:53 AM
Hah. Nice to hear Fox getting the British pop culture reference in this episode (Bedknobs and Broomsticks).
:D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 01 February, 2018, 03:08:39 PM
I don't think I ever noticed the editorializing  -I've always thought it was just transparently the case that the Blackheart pies had people in. Try harder, 1982 Steve McManus!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 February, 2018, 11:31:01 AM
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In our thrilling eighty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 267-270 of 2000 AD, covering June of 1982. Join us as  Ace trucking starts the Joobaloo, Mean Arena starts a new game, Sam Slade starts a new case, Rogue Trooper stats out along the Dix-I front, and Judge Dredd ends the Apocalypse War!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 06 February, 2018, 06:48:15 AM
Thanks guys - great listening as usual.

So where did Russian Roulette come from? Wikipedia hints it might not come from Russia but states the first description of it was written by a Russian author. Being Russian though, he didn't call it 'Russian Roulette'.

Weetabix is okay - it is better than Shredded Wheat. The skinhead campaign running in comics at this time was fairly memorable and is still brought up by nostalgia comedians. You can buy it here in Sweden so it may be a European thing rather than a British thing.

The Executioner and Destiny's Angels and I am expecting cheers when Walter gets his.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 February, 2018, 02:24:09 PM
The Russian Roulette thing is me making a reference to one of my favorite podcasts, "I Don't Even Own a Television" which is about bad books. On that show they play a game where they flip to a random page of the book they're looking at and read from that page. It starts with a song that goes:
Russian Roulette!
Russian Roulette!
Not actually Russian!
Which I think is pretty fun, and so I make a reference to it whenever it comes up. I'm now starting to realize that this probably doesn't make a ton of sense without that context, and for that I apologize!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 February, 2018, 12:20:56 PM
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In our thrilling eighty-third  episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest comic with the 1982 Judge Dredd Annual (Annuals are dated by the following year). This is the third Dredd Annual, and just as fun as the first two. Like the first two annuals this one features several original full color Dredd stories but this time they're all drawn by Carlos Ezquerra, as well as a bunch of other comics and features. We'll get a chance to see the city's reaction to the Apocalypse War and dispense justice in whole other dimensions!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 08 February, 2018, 11:42:48 PM
"I've got them - I'm just not scratching" is one of my top 5 Dredd lines!

As for the price, it wasnt the kids the annuals were aimed at - they were seen as an easy Christmas present / Stocking Filler for grannies and parents rather than being affordable to kids straight off the shelf - so they are milking the 'dults rather than the juves!


Love "Day in the Death.."

"Behold THe Beast" is masterclass stuff - how to do a "nostalgia" story that just works as a story period - Helter Skelter hang your head in shame!

And "line 9" is so chilling and funny and depressing!  Possibly a good primer story that sums up Dredd as good as anything in 6 or 7 pages?




Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: maryanddavid on 09 February, 2018, 12:12:10 AM
Quote"I've got them - I'm just not scratching" is one of my top 5 Dredd lines!
Same here!

'Behold the Beast' is one of the few 2000AD strips that freaked me out a bit at the time of reading for some reason, the others were annual Future Shocks. First was a Belardinelli drawn strip about reaching the edge of space, the other two I remember only a bit, a father and son shooting an alien and the other was a guy in a boat and a nuclear war.
Not thought of these in years, weekend reading sorted!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 February, 2018, 06:37:06 AM
Quote from: maryanddavid on 09 February, 2018, 12:12:10 AM
Quote"I've got them - I'm just not scratching" is one of my top 5 Dredd lines!
Same here!

'Behold the Beast' is one of the few 2000AD strips that freaked me out a bit at the time of reading for some reason, the others were annual Future Shocks. First was a Belardinelli drawn strip about reaching the edge of space, the other two I remember only a bit, a father and son shooting an alien and the other was a guy in a boat and a nuclear war.
Not thought of these in years, weekend reading sorted!

I know the last two are from the very first Annual, End of Voyage and The Monsters. I remember End of Voyage as being very striking and very bleak, ending with the head of the statue of liberty flying off into the sky, while I think The Monsters may have earned some of the very first airhorns when we came across it :D Both are in our ninth episode, which now seems like a million years ago!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 February, 2018, 07:30:27 AM
One thing I keep meaning to ask, but being rubbish always forget is what you chaps think of Colin Wilson's art. I always think he gets very over looked and his eurocentric style is just perfect for 2000ad. You often mention the art and artists but to date I don't recall you expressing any thoughts on him?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 09 February, 2018, 12:22:03 PM
The reprints are in colour? They're not in my copy...

Weird!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 09 February, 2018, 06:28:53 PM
Another British cultural reference:
Dr Finlay's Casebook (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Finlay)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 February, 2018, 04:56:20 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 09 February, 2018, 12:22:03 PM
The reprints are in colour? They're not in my copy...

Weird!

That story has some odd parts in the scan I have of the annual, making me think that it was added in from another source or something. It's a scandal either way!

Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 09 February, 2018, 06:28:53 PM
Another British cultural reference:
Dr Finlay's Casebook (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Finlay)

Oh jeez!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 February, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 09 February, 2018, 07:30:27 AM
One thing I keep meaning to ask, but being rubbish always forget is what you chaps think of Colin Wilson's art. I always think he gets very over looked and his eurocentric style is just perfect for 2000ad. You often mention the art and artists but to date I don't recall you expressing any thoughts on him?

I think Wilson is a great sort of baseline 2000AD artist, if that makes sense. In my mind I have him in a group with guys like Mike White and Eric Bradbury, who all draw a realistic style that looks really good in the black-and-white pages of the progs, but aren't as instantly recognizable as some of the more famous artists. Honestly I sometimes lament our lack of art coverage, it's something I want to work on for the show. I'm trying to develop more vocabulary to describe how artists draw things but it can be hard going. That said, we're coming up on the Marauders storyline that both Wilson and Cam Kennedy worked on, and I'll try to shout him out a bit there. Oh and sorry for the double post!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 10 February, 2018, 09:18:00 PM
Ah. The art is something I have meant to mention for a while. Despite knowing you guys are loving the prog's art, it often (in early podcasts, I'm way behind) doesn't get mentioned. The craziness, dialogue and characters get covered and I'll sometimes think 'What about the eye-popping Bolland art?!'. Maybe I'm more visual. Recently, the love for Carlos in Fiends and early SD shone through, so I've watched it change... And describing art is HARD of course  :) What can you say about McMahon's Dredd without getting repetitive?!

My favourite podcast!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 10 February, 2018, 09:21:10 PM
PS. Mike White is fantastic in an unflashy way... His Tornado work in the recent Meg floppies reminded me just how appealing his style is, for me at least. Without being one of the 'big guns'.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 11 February, 2018, 02:26:59 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 February, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
I think Wilson is a great sort of baseline 2000AD artist, if that makes sense. In my mind I have him in a group with guys like Mike White and Eric Bradbury

Strong disagree! I'd put Colin Wilson in a totally different league from those guys: for me, it's only the (lamentable) fact that he did so little work for 2000ad that keeps him from being one of the all-time greats.

His detailed 'realistic sci-fi' backgrounds and cool hardware designs were perfect for (the otherwise pretty dull) Rogue Trooper, and indeed for Dredd: he's in my top 10 JD artists despite only doing a handful.

But it's fascinating to hear other views!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 February, 2018, 02:36:17 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 11 February, 2018, 02:26:59 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 February, 2018, 05:19:45 PM
I think Wilson is a great sort of baseline 2000AD artist, if that makes sense. In my mind I have him in a group with guys like Mike White and Eric Bradbury

Strong disagree! I'd put Colin Wilson in a totally different league from those guys: for me, it's only the (lamentable) fact that he did so little work for 2000ad that keeps him from being one of the all-time greats.

His detailed 'realistic sci-fi' backgrounds and cool hardware designs were perfect for (the otherwise pretty dull) Rogue Trooper, and indeed for Dredd: he's in my top 10 JD artists despite only doing a handful.

But it's fascinating to hear other views!

Interesting! I'll definitely keep an eye out for his work going forward. I don't have a great head for a lot of the art stuff. I'm often more in an "I know what I like" mode while also looking for the big names. Like i said, I'm still learning a lot about evaluating the art for the the progs, and discussions like this are really helpful! For sure going to really try to discuss art a bit more on the show.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: ming on 11 February, 2018, 07:47:00 AM
Yeah, Colin Wilson is one of the all-time greats for me, despite a relatively limited presence in the Prog.  He definitely appeared to arrive fully-formed, style-wise*, and his ability with future-tech and looser 'Euro-styling is second to none.  I really need to pick up some more of his more recent work (and brush up on my French for all the untranslated stuff).



* That 'Sweet Taste of Justice' Dredd story in the 1981 Sci-Fi special was his first commissioned work from Tharg, despite other work seeing print in Progs first.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Tjm86 on 11 February, 2018, 10:00:33 AM
Quote from: ming on 11 February, 2018, 07:47:00 AM
I really need to pick up some more of his more recent work (and brush up on my French for all the untranslated stuff).

Amen!  I loved Into the Shadow of the Sun: Rael when Eclipse printed it.  It harked back to some of his Rogue Trooper work but with the influence of writers like Jodorowsky on display.  Regrettably they never published the subsequent volumes.  The other highlight for me was the few issues he did of Diggle's / Jock's "Losers" for DC.  A fun series all round and one of the many hidden gems that DC has produced over the years.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 February, 2018, 10:18:09 AM
Just goes to show how subjective art is. For me Colin Wilson is amongst the 2000ad greats and miles ahead of Mike White and the more solid journey artists. So fascinating to hear him placed in with those by some.

I've always wanted to get some of his Blueberry as while I love his gritty sci-fi stylings and lapped up the Star Wars stuff he did, he does dusty landscapes and gritty beaten heros like no one else (well maybe Moebius himself!) and love his style.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 February, 2018, 11:08:48 AM
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In our thrilling eighty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 271-275 of 2000 AD, covering July of 1982. Join us as Sam Slade solves the case, Rogue Trooper reaches the sea, and the Fatties revolt in Judge Dredd! At the start of this episode Conrad says it's Progs 271-277, but that is NOT correct!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 12 February, 2018, 03:52:39 PM
Belatedly to the party - Colin Wilson is also one of my top 2000AD artists - his Dredd and Rogue are up there with the definitive versions, most especially his grasp of believable and cool looking future ctechnology
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 February, 2018, 03:08:00 PM
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In our thrilling eighty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 276-279 of 2000 AD, covering August of 1982. Join us as  Sam takes care of Kidd, the Dix-I front concludes, Dredd has trouble with fungus, and Ace Trucking is ready to GET OUT.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 19 February, 2018, 04:34:31 PM
Gameshow hosts:

Les: probably Les Dawson (Blankety Blank) or Les Dennis (although bit early for Les Dennis as a gameshow host)

Jeremy Weevil: Jeremy Beadle (co-hosted Game for a Laugh, more of a prankster)

Eammon Enos: Eamonn Andrews (hosted this is Your Life)

Harry Karry: just a joke on Hari-Kari I guess.

Larry Gruesome: Larry Grayson: the Generation Game (the last game had a conveyor belt of prizes which the contestant had to remember to win)

Ted Cringe: Possibly Ted Rogers, host of 3-2-1 which had notoriously cryptic clues to win a top prize or end up with a dustbin.

Bamber Gastank: Bamber Gascoigne, host of University Challenge, also parodied in Young Ones episode 'Bambi'

Crazy Chick Chuckle - no idea.

Slob Bankhurst - Bob Monkhouse

A few other references - the golden bullet probably refers to the Golden Shot where a contestant directs a crossbow to hit a target. It also had the catchphrase 'Bernie, the bolt' when loading the crossbow which is also the name of the robot in the Dredd story.

Visually they don't look anything like their real counterparts.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 20 February, 2018, 01:57:56 AM
Another great show, and I very much enjoyed the call-out for my 'cool' Celeneon Death Guard in Prog 278. Still my artistic high point!

By the way, the name 'Ogden', that Fox found so weird, is a reference to a family in Britain's longest running soap opera, 'Coronation Street'. Wikipedia tells me that "The character of Hilda Ogden was very popular with the British public — in 1982 she came fourth behind the Queen Mother, Queen Elizabeth II, and Diana, Princess of Wales in a poll of the most recognisable women in Britain."

Next week should be fun. #NoBlakeePentax
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 February, 2018, 03:36:46 AM
There's enough of a gap between Robo Hunter stories, combined with our coverage of the 2000AD annual that the Pentax will remain safe until episode 88!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 February, 2018, 12:11:20 PM
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In our thrilling eighty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 280-283 of 2000 AD, covering September of 1982. Join us as the Robo World Cup comes to Brit-Cit, Mean Machine comes back to life, and Mean Arena comes to a close! Also, a big shout out to our sponsor this week, Otto Sump's GUNGE BOX!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 26 February, 2018, 03:06:02 PM
Phew! I am glad the Mean Arena is over. I am reading the progs along with you and have found MA wearisome.

I think a lot of the Sam Slade football references would have gone over the heads of many readers. Football is the most popular sport in the UK but more people have no interest in it than do. As I kid I loved playing football but never had any interest in watching it on TV or following a team.

Also, it is funny how people get very militant these days about the term 'Soccer'. You can see in the ads in these 2000AD comics that the term 'soccer' was frequently used in place of football which would not happen today. It is claimed it as a class thing but back then there was near zero awareness that other games existed in the world that also called themselves 'football' and I feel it is more down to bagging the term for the most popular football variant.

The race representation is coming soon and is regretable but I think unfair to label as racist. It is ignorant, stereotypical and unpleasant but I do not believe it was deliberaterly malicious or implying some kind of racial superiority of the creators. Stereotypes were perhaps just an easy laugh and they would have seen it as similar to putting a Scot in a kilt with bagpipes and ginger hair like the Simpsons. Actually, now that I think about it, isn't Apu a bit of a racial stereotype too?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 26 February, 2018, 03:33:46 PM
Brian Clough's surname was pronounced 'Kluff' - the English also have a lot of frankly baffling rules for pronouncing names as well as the Irish and the Welsh.

Be thankful that there's no 2000 AD stories set in Loughborough...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 26 February, 2018, 03:56:52 PM
Good luck.

Slough can be either OW as in the town, named after soil or UFF as in to shed skin.

Then Frank Bough (70s/80s presenter) is pronounced OFF, but bough as a branch is OW.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 February, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 26 February, 2018, 03:06:02 PM
The race representation is coming soon and is regretable but I think unfair to label as racist. It is ignorant, stereotypical and unpleasant but I do not believe it was deliberaterly malicious or implying some kind of racial superiority of the creators. Stereotypes were perhaps just an easy laugh and they would have seen it as similar to putting a Scot in a kilt with bagpipes and ginger hair like the Simpsons. Actually, now that I think about it, isn't Apu a bit of a racial stereotype too?

For me these Asian jokes just seem really over the top and rough. They're really an example of comedy from a different era, sort of like (to continue the Simpsons reference) when Krusty does similar jokes at a comedy show and everyone else is shocked by them (http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_Temptation_of_Krust). I believe I try to put it in context in the actual episode, which we'll have in two weeks. I think this, sort of like the early MACH ONE stuff, is one of those times that you really realize that we're reading something from 36 years ago, and how much things have changed in that time. This is obviously a thorny subject and one I don't feel fully qualified to take on, but hopefully we end up doing a not completely terrible job at it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 February, 2018, 04:49:27 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 26 February, 2018, 03:33:46 PM
Brian Clough's surname was pronounced 'Kluff' - the English also have a lot of frankly baffling rules for pronouncing names as well as the Irish and the Welsh.

Be thankful that there's no 2000 AD stories set in Loughborough...
Quote from: Steve Green on 26 February, 2018, 03:56:52 PM
Good luck.

Slough can be either OW as in the town, named after soil or UFF as in to shed skin.

Then Frank Bough (70s/80s presenter) is pronounced OFF, but bough as a branch is OW.

My understanding is that Worcestershire is pronounced "Wooster" but that might just be a Boston thing. As always I apologize for any errors, it's hard keeping this stuff straight!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 26 February, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
Pretty much :D  - I pronounce it Wustershur/Wustersher - not sure how much it varies around the country, around Birmingham they tend to have a bit more oo in their pronunciation.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Big_Dave on 26 February, 2018, 05:21:33 PM
For me these Asian jokes just seem really over the top and rough

because rednecks
& russians havent
been pilloried too?

any letters from llanelli?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 26 February, 2018, 05:24:07 PM
At least you're not reviewing Dad's Army - you'd have a meltdown over Captain Mainwaring!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 February, 2018, 07:50:13 PM
Otto Sump's "very very tasty" jingle would have been instantly recognisable from this ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92r9H_6B2kI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92r9H_6B2kI) (coincidentally, the waiter on the right went on to star in a hugely popular sitcom set in nazi-occupied France, whose very British humour was based almost entirely on comedy stereotypes of foreigners such as you'll see in Robohnter, but with more smutty innuendo).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 February, 2018, 08:17:34 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 February, 2018, 07:50:13 PM
Otto Sump's "very very tasty" jingle would have been instantly recognisable from this ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92r9H_6B2kI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92r9H_6B2kI) (coincidentally, the waiter on the right went on to star in a hugely popular sitcom set in nazi-occupied France, whose very British humour was based almost entirely on comedy stereotypes of foreigners such as you'll see in Robohnter, but with more smutty innuendo).

Oh wow! I didn't even imagine the possibility of this! As always there's untold layers of British pop culture that I still have to learn about! (On twitter I've just been informed taht Blankety Tharg is probably a reference to the gameshow Blankety Blank?) It's hard out there!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 February, 2018, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 February, 2018, 07:50:13 PM
Otto Sump's "very very tasty" jingle would have been instantly recognisable from this ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92r9H_6B2kI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92r9H_6B2kI) (coincidentally, the waiter on the right went on to star in a hugely popular sitcom set in nazi-occupied France, whose very British humour was based almost entirely on comedy stereotypes of foreigners such as you'll see in Robohnter, but with more smutty innuendo).


'Allo 'Allo was based on national stereotypes, but in a fairly gentle way (kinda) - all the Brits are clueless toffs, the French get some variety while the Nazis are pretty sympathetically portrayed, apart from one of the generals and a Gestapo agent.  Difficult to describe our cultural artefacts sometimes...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 26 February, 2018, 09:25:59 PM
Yeah, the Asian stereotype in the UK at least lasted well into the late 90s and beyond.

Clive James had a series on UK TV which showed TV around the world, including a Japanese game show called Endurance.

There was a UK version which had two 'Japanese' sidekicks played called Hoki and Koki played by white guys - this was 1998.

(http://www.ukgameshows.com/p/images/1/17/Endurance_hokikoki.jpg)

And then there's Ting Tong the mail order Thai Bride in Little Britain (mid 2000s).

http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong (http://littlebritain.wikia.com/wiki/Dudley_and_Ting_Tong)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 February, 2018, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 26 February, 2018, 08:51:29 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 February, 2018, 07:50:13 PM
Otto Sump's "very very tasty" jingle would have been instantly recognisable from this ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92r9H_6B2kI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92r9H_6B2kI) (coincidentally, the waiter on the right went on to star in a hugely popular sitcom set in nazi-occupied France, whose very British humour was based almost entirely on comedy stereotypes of foreigners such as you'll see in Robohnter, but with more smutty innuendo).

I've been reading some Actions and I've Hellman of Hammer/Africa Corps to be an interesting example of that, like fighting the Allies is just a job, and his real enemies are the Nazi brass.
'Allo 'Allo was based on national stereotypes, but in a fairly gentle way (kinda) - all the Brits are clueless toffs, the French get some variety while the Nazis are pretty sympathetically portrayed, apart from one of the generals and a Gestapo agent.  Difficult to describe our cultural artefacts sometimes...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 01 March, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
Just to put my hat in some of this, I have discomfort reading the stuff in the same way I felt when my grandfather used to ask how my oriental friends are doing. I just feel it's a bit gauche. Still, I think Conrad's response was best: it was more the times than anything. Certainly hasn't hurt my enthusiasm however, as I'm sure people can tell.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 02 March, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 01 March, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
Just to put my hat in some of this, I have discomfort reading the stuff in the same way I felt when my grandfather used to ask how my oriental friends are doing. I just feel it's a bit gauche. Still, I think Conrad's response was best: it was more the times than anything. Certainly hasn't hurt my enthusiasm however, as I'm sure people can tell.

Very glad to hear it and I think you are right in saying Conrad's response was best.

Speaking of your enthusiasm, I wonder how/if you guys will get through the later period when the thrill ratio takes a tumble in later years (creators lured to the lucrative US market, internal company issues, various other reasons). I haven't seen most of that stuff myself and so I will get to it as you do, but if it is any consolation I can say that 2016 was a bit of a golden year for 2000AD, and 2017 was good too so the comic is far from dead.

2000AD is more than just a nostalgia thing for me as what they are doing today is exciting and you just don't know what is coming next. It might be something you really want (Strontium Dog) or something you didn't know you wanted (The Fall Of Deadworld) or something completely different (Brink, The Order, Absolem, Ampney Crucis, many others).

I never see anything in it today that is actually bad (unlike Mean Arena, Wolfie Smith, Inferno, etc) but sometimes strips are too involved in their own continuity for me to follow if they started before I re-started reading. The Judge Dredd Megazine (a sister title to 2000AD) includes a supplement of re-prints which can help with this.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 02 March, 2018, 04:45:32 PM
I liked Inferno but that could just be my Belardinelli-tinted spectacles - Mean Arena was fun but frustrating (and the less said about the ending the better)

I guess it did feel a bit of a throwback to the first year of 2000 AD, when compared to Dredd, Stront, Nemesis and the rest.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 04 March, 2018, 09:49:55 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 02 March, 2018, 04:13:48 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 01 March, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
Just to put my hat in some of this, I have discomfort reading the stuff in the same way I felt when my grandfather used to ask how my oriental friends are doing. I just feel it's a bit gauche. Still, I think Conrad's response was best: it was more the times than anything. Certainly hasn't hurt my enthusiasm however, as I'm sure people can tell.

Very glad to hear it and I think you are right in saying Conrad's response was best.

Speaking of your enthusiasm, I wonder how/if you guys will get through the later period when the thrill ratio takes a tumble in later years (creators lured to the lucrative US market, internal company issues, various other reasons). I haven't seen most of that stuff myself and so I will get to it as you do, but if it is any consolation I can say that 2016 was a bit of a golden year for 2000AD, and 2017 was good too so the comic is far from dead.

2000AD is more than just a nostalgia thing for me as what they are doing today is exciting and you just don't know what is coming next. It might be something you really want (Strontium Dog) or something you didn't know you wanted (The Fall Of Deadworld) or something completely different (Brink, The Order, Absolem, Ampney Crucis, many others).

I never see anything in it today that is actually bad (unlike Mean Arena, Wolfie Smith, Inferno, etc) but sometimes strips are too involved in their own continuity for me to follow if they started before I re-started reading. The Judge Dredd Megazine (a sister title to 2000AD) includes a supplement of re-prints which can help with this.

Neither of us have really lost any enthusiasm, and I don't think that's going to stop even in down turn years. What I enjoy about 2000ad over US Comics (and again, I'm not a really huge comic person) is that it's anthology. Nothing overstays a welcome each issue, and if something is real bad (I see you, Death Planet) it's quickly removed. The thing I dislike the most about the old comics I used to read in the US was that if I DID like something but a majority of people didn't buy the issues...it just died without an end. At least 2000 AD tries to tie things up into a bow.

Quote from: Steve Green on 02 March, 2018, 04:45:32 PM
I liked Inferno but that could just be my Belardinelli-tinted spectacles - Mean Arena was fun but frustrating (and the less said about the ending the better)

I guess it did feel a bit of a throwback to the first year of 2000 AD, when compared to Dredd, Stront, Nemesis and the rest.

I loved Inferno. Loved it.

That said, I have a special place in my heart for Wolfie Smith, Mean Arena, and Return to Armageddon. It's like the comics that could have been. I like supernatural whatever, and Wolfie Smith COULD have been that. It just didn't sit well, and it's second coming was whoabad.

Mean Arena, I grew to love it's weird appendage of murder. I almost feel it would have been a better comic had Matt Talon been an antagonist; it could have been the reverse of a Harlem Heroes, where you're kind of rooting for the murderer as opposed to the good guys.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 04 March, 2018, 10:11:42 AM
As a massive fan of Artie Gruber, I like that idea.

I don't think I've read Wolfie Smith since it first appeared, but it always felt that it was one of those unloved strips from Tornado.

I wonder if there was an official policy that they had to run a merged strip for x number of episodes before they could axe it?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 March, 2018, 05:02:17 PM
The way Tornado merger really shows that some comics merge better than others, especially when you compare it to Starlord. The Starlord merger brought us two backbone 2000AD stories, Strontium Dog and Ro-Busters, which easily fit in to the lineup, and we even had Starlord himself showing up and doing things in the Progs. Meanwhile both of the Tornado imports had to be heavily changed when they arrived, Blackhawk moving to space gladiators, Woflie Smith aging up and becoming a Fugitive/Incredible Hulk style wanderer, and Big E and his gang just on one cover of the merger issue, and then disappeared completely! Honestly I don't think Wolfie translated as well into a more Sci-Fi setting, plus I think in general Tom Tully (who wrote Wolfie) is from a different era of British comics, and it shows when you compare his work to others.

To me Mean Arena feels like Tully taking one last attempt at writing in a more "modern" or 2000AD writing style and he can't quite seem to cut it. As I've said on the show, for me the big problem with Mean Arena was just a lack of follow through on different concepts. If you're gonna hound your revenge targets and kill them ironically, let's do that! If we're gonna meet and have ridiculous side stories for all the team members let's do that! If there's gonna be this thing about hidden robots passing as humans, let's really check that out! Instead there's all these interesting plot threads left on the table, and frankly it's a shame.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 04 March, 2018, 05:13:08 PM
Totally agree, it's so odd that Mean Arena picks up and drops so many threads which could be interesting.

Mind you, Mean Team doesn't fare much better, kind of becomes a Blackhawk part 2 with that split personality.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 04 March, 2018, 10:01:08 PM
I've been praying for Mean Arena to end, but now that it's over I find myself wishing they'd given it a few more episodes to wrap up properly (then again, a whole match set inside that video game stadium would probably be unbearable). At least it wasn't as rushed as Inferno's last episode or Return of the Mean Team, which I described in another thread as "a dumb story with a fuck-you ending".
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 04 March, 2018, 11:03:11 PM
I want to read the Foxisntarobot version of Mean Arena!  Mean arena could ahve had an insanely good ending if they'd have gone for Matt Tallon as rogue droid/deluded psycho/both ending.

That said, I think a number of snotty little British boys would have been put out by 'avin' their 'ero turn out to be a bad 'un.. possibly a little too early in the progs maturing to get away with that, even in the hands of a Wagner, Mills or Moore....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 March, 2018, 09:08:00 AM
you jerks putting off the death of the wobot for an annual  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 March, 2018, 12:39:50 PM
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In our thrilling eighty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1983 2000 AD Annual (Annuals are dated by the following year). This annual features classic MACH One, Invasion, and Judge Dredd stories, as well as the first five episodes of Harlem Heroes. We'll also ride out with Johnny Alpha, Ro-Busters, Rogue Trooper, Tharg the Mighty, and a super awesome appearance by Nemesis the Warlock! Also this episode has twenty-two different thrills and Conrad almost died announcing them all!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 06 March, 2018, 08:03:48 AM
Another fantastic episode chaps, as ever. And one that I feel I can add some context for you with. See the 'YNWA' at the end of my forum name actually stands for 'You'll Never Walk Alone' in reference to my once great passion for Liverpool Football Club for which the song is an anthem (along with Celtic in Scotland).

So the song actually has American origins being a Rodgers and Hammerstein song from the movie 'Carousel' - hence its appearance in Ro-Busters is a double whammy referencing both Ro-jaws and Hammerstein's naming inspiration and the fact that Northpool clearly references the docks of Liverpool.

Anyway it was adopted by LFC after Gerry and the Pacemakers covered it in 1963 and is sung at the start of every LFC game. At the time you are currently reviewing Progs Liverpool were completely dominant in English football and probably (I do have some biase) the biggest and best team in Europe winning 4 European Cups (before the 'Champions' League) between 1977 and 1983.

If you want to know how to sing it (and I'll cut this down as obivously there's WAY more than you need to know here).

Walk on through the wind [soft]
Walk on through the rain [soft]
Though your dreams be tossed and blowwWwN [soft]

Walk on walk on [building] with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone [cresendo]

You'll never walk alone [basically shouting by now]

Walk on walk on [softer again] with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone

There see - loads of useless context but I felt I should share!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 06 March, 2018, 04:58:45 PM
Thanks for the shout out for me and Jake, Fox.

We must talk about getting you into the book club.

David Tomlinson forever!  :P
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 07 March, 2018, 05:19:23 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 06 March, 2018, 08:03:48 AM
Another fantastic episode chaps, as ever. And one that I feel I can add some context for you with. See the 'YNWA' at the end of my forum name actually stands for 'You'll Never Walk Alone' in reference to my once great passion for Liverpool Football Club for which the song is an anthem (along with Celtic in Scotland).

So the song actually has American origins being a Rodgers and Hammerstein song from the movie 'Carousel' - hence its appearance in Ro-Busters is a double whammy referencing both Ro-jaws and Hammerstein's naming inspiration and the fact that Northpool clearly references the docks of Liverpool.

Anyway it was adopted by LFC after Gerry and the Pacemakers covered it in 1963 and is sung at the start of every LFC game. At the time you are currently reviewing Progs Liverpool were completely dominant in English football and probably (I do have some biase) the biggest and best team in Europe winning 4 European Cups (before the 'Champions' League) between 1977 and 1983.

If you want to know how to sing it (and I'll cut this down as obivously there's WAY more than you need to know here).

Walk on through the wind [soft]
Walk on through the rain [soft]
Though your dreams be tossed and blowwWwN [soft]

Walk on walk on [building] with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone [cresendo]

You'll never walk alone [basically shouting by now]

Walk on walk on [softer again] with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone

There see - loads of useless context but I felt I should share!

Consider me learn'd! I actually looked up the song today to listen to while working. Quite lovely I think. I love me some history. As a new Euro resident, I'm starting to get the feeling that Football plays a pretty big role in life! hahahahah


Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 06 March, 2018, 04:58:45 PM
Thanks for the shout out for me and Jake, Fox.

We must talk about getting you into the book club.

David Tomlinson forever!  :P

Eamonn!! My pleasure man. And I'd love to do an episode. I'll talk to Conrad about getting your info and we'll chat about a good time. Would be absolutely marvelous to chat on your podcast!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: BMCCOLL on 08 March, 2018, 10:31:16 PM
New to this podcast. Love it, funny as f**k!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 March, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
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In our thrilling eighty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 284-288 of 2000AD, covering October of 1982. Join us as the Angel gang runs amok on Mega City One, Rogue Trooper finally meets the Traitor General, and Harry Thompson arrives at the High Rock.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 12 March, 2018, 03:35:34 PM
don't let the door hit your arse on the way out walter and maria :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 March, 2018, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 12 March, 2018, 03:35:34 PM
don't let the door hit your arse on the way out walter and maria :lol:

I think this is something we can all agree on!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 19 March, 2018, 06:01:58 AM
how about when the quality of the prog is high change the rating from worst thrill to weakest thrill
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 March, 2018, 11:14:42 AM
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In our thrilling eighty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 289-292 of 2000AD, covering November of 1982. Join us as both Harry 20 and Ace Garp plan escape from space prison, Rogue Trooper arrives at Fort Neuro, and Judge Dredd pursues the deadly Executioner. Welcome to Space Spinner 2000 the only comic book podcast that is 100% anti-vigilante!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 March, 2018, 11:16:34 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 19 March, 2018, 06:01:58 AM
how about when the quality of the prog is high change the rating from worst thrill to weakest thrill

You make a good point. A lot of times I'll say "Top/Bottom Thrill" which I think sounds a little better than worst. Definitely something we have to take into account for the coming months!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 19 March, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
Fox was spot on about computer games in the UK. The early 80's were a boom time for gaming with the ZX Spectrum and Commodore 64 being the leading machines in the early years. Very few people in the UK had heard of the 'Great Video Game Crash' at the time it happened.

There was an awful lot of terrible but cheap games around but it was all new and exciting at the time. There was a lot of originality too but also a huge amount of arcade clones. Games were generally put together by just one or two people and the better games programmers actually had a following (Matthew Smith, Mike Singleton, John Ritman, the Stamper Brothers, the Darling Brothers) amongst games fans such was the quality of their output.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 March, 2018, 09:01:49 PM
Interesting! It is pretty amazing to see the Micro Page with actual gigantic BASIC programs in them in the Progs. I don't have a ton of memory of the actual crash itself, I came into video games just when the first Nintendo system was coming out. But you can get a sense of how down people were on video games at the time by looking at old ads for the NES (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pyhu2yo0Ns), that stress peripherals like the light gun and the robot instead of the actual games! This is a cultural difference I never expected, and I think it's pretty cool!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 March, 2018, 08:27:43 AM
Christ yeah home computing was a blessing and a curse in our house. I'm pretty sure it was Christmas 1982 that shrouded in great mystery my dad revealed that the reason my brother and I hadn't been asked what we wanted for X-Mas was because we got a ZX Spectrum - 48K, of gaming delight. It was massive deal at the time and cost a bomb BUT my God was it value for money in terms of the time spent using it.

Fast forward a few years and image my dismay when the same father decided we needed to swop the Speccie for a BBC Micro as it was better for learning to programme on and therefore more eduicational. I mean it was okay but the games couldn't hold a torch to its rubber keyed 48K rival.

I still feel the pain.

Though to be fair from my dad's objective it worked and my brother has worked as a programmer for many years now - all be it of the unglamourous world of warehousing software.

Oh and just for reference about how much ÂŁ19.99 was (the price of the watch you mentioned) in my head the original kenner Millenium Falcon retailed (I think) at ÂŁ24 or there about. So you could have a Pac Watch  or say a Rebel Transporter which was also ÂŁ19.99 (again very shakey memory).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 20 March, 2018, 10:10:31 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 March, 2018, 08:27:43 AMOh and just for reference about how much ÂŁ19.99 was (the price of the watch you mentioned) in my head the original kenner Millenium Falcon retailed (I think) at ÂŁ24 or there about. So you could have a Pac Watch  or say a Rebel Transporter which was also ÂŁ19.99 (again very shakey memory).

The MF was ÂŁ19.99 according to page 132 of the 1982 Winter Argos Catalog (https://issuu.com/retromash/docs/argos-no18-1982-autumnwinter)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 20 March, 2018, 11:01:40 AM
This inflation calculator (http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html) (http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html)) suggests that ÂŁ19.99 in 1982 would be ÂŁ73.01 today - a shade over a hundred bucks at current exchange rate. I don't think it's that simple though - some things have changed price more than others, especially electronics.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 March, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 20 March, 2018, 10:10:31 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 March, 2018, 08:27:43 AMOh and just for reference about how much ÂŁ19.99 was (the price of the watch you mentioned) in my head the original kenner Millenium Falcon retailed (I think) at ÂŁ24 or there about. So you could have a Pac Watch  or say a Rebel Transporter which was also ÂŁ19.99 (again very shakey memory).

The MF was ÂŁ19.99 according to page 132 of the 1982 Winter Argos Catalog (https://issuu.com/retromash/docs/argos-no18-1982-autumnwinter)

Wow cool - I could happily spend hours looking through that catelogue! Anyway RRP of ÂŁ29.95 so I've gone for middle ground!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 20 March, 2018, 02:23:35 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 March, 2018, 12:51:30 PM
The MF was ÂŁ19.99 according to page 132 of the 1982 Winter Argos Catalog (https://issuu.com/retromash/docs/argos-no18-1982-autumnwinter)

Wow cool - I could happily spend hours looking through that catelogue! Anyway RRP of ÂŁ29.95 so I've gone for middle ground!
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Ah yes - there's a "Suggested Retail" price as well. So Argos used to be cheap once upon a time...

Also ÂŁ34.95 for the AT-AT - I guess my parents really did love me :) - Especially as they bought it at Hamley's, which would've been even more expensive :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 21 March, 2018, 12:15:43 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 19 March, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
Fox was spot on about computer games in the UK. The early 80's were a boom time for gaming with the ZX Spectrum and Commodore 64 being the leading machines in the early years. Very few people in the UK had heard of the 'Great Video Game Crash' at the time it happened.

There was an awful lot of terrible but cheap games around but it was all new and exciting at the time. There was a lot of originality too but also a huge amount of arcade clones. Games were generally put together by just one or two people and the better games programmers actually had a following (Matthew Smith, Mike Singleton, John Ritman, the Stamper Brothers, the Darling Brothers) amongst games fans such was the quality of their output.

Even I know the Stamper Brothers. Possibly the two most influential people in my early life (thanks to Rare!). Mind you, they made their name by doing ports and the acclaimed Sabre Wulf and Knight Lore, among others!

Just for additional information when I talked about "A game about an egg" I meant Dizzy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizzy_(series)

Seems like it played a huge role in British friend's lives.

Just for added context, computer games came to the US in the much later 80s and gained a larger base in the early 90s and then on. We missed the early programming days by nearly a decade :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 March, 2018, 12:44:22 PM
Yeah it was pretty big, I think a big part of it was a push in schools by Acorn and the BBC with the BBC Micro and Atom, under the guise of education.

The other thing was delivery was feasible for the amateur since it was mostly cassette based rather than cartridges for consoles.

There was this weird niche following for composers like Rob Hubbard, Martin Galway etc, with people ripping music from games and coding graphics demos to push the hardware on the C64 and Amiga in particular.

The Amiga had a huge advantage over PCs of the time for creative content which were pretty limited graphically, but it squandered that.

I guess once the PCs got out of the VGA/EVGA limitations - with Wing Commander, Lucasarts etc *think MCGA expanded the palette* the PC could start to compete with the Amiga, even if it lacked the custom hardware.

Then it was voodoo cards for 3D and so on, and the PC/Console wars started...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 March, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 21 March, 2018, 12:15:43 PM
Just for additional information when I talked about "A game about an egg" I meant Dizzy!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizzy_(series)


Oh interesting I just assumed you meant Chuckie Egg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuckie_Egg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuckie_Egg)

Surely Chuckie Egg had is the computer game involving eggs that had the biggest impact. I mean it was almost as big as Manic Miner wasn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Miner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Miner)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 21 March, 2018, 01:22:24 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 March, 2018, 12:44:22 PM
I guess once the PCs got out of the VGA/EVGA limitations - with Wing Commander, Lucasarts etc *think MCGA expanded the palette* the PC could start to compete with the Amiga, even if it lacked the custom hardware.

WING COMMANDER HNNNNNNGGGG

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 21 March, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
Oh interesting I just assumed you meant Chuckie Egg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuckie_Egg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuckie_Egg)

Surely Chuckie Egg had is the computer game involving eggs that had the biggest impact. I mean it was almost as big as Manic Miner wasn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Miner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manic_Miner)

I had never heard of Chuckie egg until this very moment and had to check it out. Kind of neat, and great control on jumps from the looks.

For reference, this is one of the oldest games I played when it came to personal computers: Treasure Mountain!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HAxdTacsgQ
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 March, 2018, 01:45:26 PM
Yay PC Palettes!

Here's one of the games I worked on before I got went back to college to get some training...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWlGpPD6eao (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWlGpPD6eao)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 21 March, 2018, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 March, 2018, 01:45:26 PM
Yay PC Palettes!

Here's one of the games I worked on before I got went back to college to get some training...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWlGpPD6eao (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWlGpPD6eao)

Pitfalling, Side Scrolling AND isometric? Not bad at all! Also, oh damn, I know ISS. A friend of mine used to play the incredible shrinking sphere on the Amiga Commodore 64 his dad owned!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 22 March, 2018, 07:59:13 AM
Ah Chuckie Egg - I used to clock that over and over.  *sigh* Happy days.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 22 March, 2018, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 21 March, 2018, 02:50:56 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 21 March, 2018, 01:45:26 PM
Yay PC Palettes!

Here's one of the games I worked on before I got went back to college to get some training...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWlGpPD6eao (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWlGpPD6eao)

Pitfalling, Side Scrolling AND isometric? Not bad at all! Also, oh damn, I know ISS. A friend of mine used to play the incredible shrinking sphere on the Amiga Commodore 64 his dad owned!

Hah!

Yeah the C64 version played better - seem to recall the Amiga play area was cut down in size so it was easier to port to the Atari ST, also did one called Brat, which was basically dropping control icons in front of Baby Herman to stop him wandering off the safe path.

Annoyingly we got an edict from the publisher to make him cooler, and it was literally baseball cap and shades, proper Poochy level stuff.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 March, 2018, 06:08:24 AM
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I'm up late so here we go!

In our thrilling ninetieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 293-296 of 2000AD, covering December of 1982. Join us as Judge Dredd catches the Executioner, Robo-Hunter sings a song, and we start our first Time Twister stories! I'm sure you'll enjoy our new time-based air horn!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 March, 2018, 08:01:52 AM
Well just making my way through this weeks episode and while I've not finished it yet I can pop in a little cultural reference for you.

Snork as referenced in the Dredd refers to Stork Margarine a butter sub from back in the day 9may well still make it who knows. Anyway here's an ad that has that makes use of a reference I've whittered about before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zUq6ZWhT8U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zUq6ZWhT8U)

Mind it would have been great if it had been used to refer to the other Snork that's sniffing its way into a prog near you soon...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 26 March, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
"And your phone number" eesh.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 March, 2018, 01:35:19 PM
Another fun episode, but I don't know where you're doing your research on conkers - they're not hazelnuts, but Horse Chestnuts, (not the edible kind) - do those grow in the US? Big five-fingered leaves, spiky seed cases and big brown nuts? Every autumn you'd see kids hurling sticks up into the conker trees trying to knock them down, caring little for nearby pedestrians, cars or windows. It'snot as popular as it was  - Nowadays, the ground is littered with good conkers, but back in the day these would've been scavenged instantly, and most schools now ban the game on safety grounds, or insist on protective goggles (booo!). Smashing someone else's conker added to your conker's score - IIRC my record was a thirty-sixer. Cheats would bake them in the oven or soak them in vinegar. These school games were seasonal - autumn was conker season, whilst spring was marble season.

Stork's ad campaign for many years centred around not being able to tell the difference between Stork and butter. That ad for the Orbital puzzle also brought back memories - I've still got one of those dating back to Christmas '82!

Glad you're enjoying Robohunter, but I hated this story (in fact, I pretty much gave up on this strip after the world cup story, the gags just got more laboured and unfunny, apart from the occasional Hoagy/Stogie gem) I'm not a big fan of musicals in the movies, and I hate it when they do it in comics - it doesn't read well unless you actually sing along and that's not what I want from a comic!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 March, 2018, 02:08:57 PM
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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 26 March, 2018, 02:15:24 PM
I think I'm enjoying the space spinner sing-a-long version more than when I read it originally.

Phil Oakey, lead singer of the Human League was a reader (or at least wore a t-shirt), but I love the idea of Don't you want me being used...

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DudLeeNU10M/TI7ckfvrgfI/AAAAAAAAA_Q/aJuecXR01kg/s1600/glasses.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 March, 2018, 03:20:22 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 March, 2018, 01:35:19 PM
Another fun episode, but I don't know where you're doing your research on conkers - they're not hazelnuts, but Horse Chestnuts, (not the edible kind) - do those grow in the US?

The chestnut/hazelnut thing is me having a massive brain fart and/or not know how different nuts work. Things like Conkers and Skittles are for sure Mysterious Albion to me!  The Orbitz is cool though, when I was checking things out for the show I ended up in a deep youtube hole looking at videos of late 70s early 80s toys!

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 26 March, 2018, 08:01:52 AM
Snork as referenced in the Dredd refers to Stork Margarine a butter sub from back in the day 9may well still make it who knows. Anyway here's an ad that has that makes use of a reference I've whittered about before.

Wow that is a ridiculous ad! We had similar things for margarine over here, but in the form of a product literally called "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!" I had a lot of google problems this episode, both with Stork and with British Holiday Camps (which mostly gave me...a selection of Camp websites) but I've figured it out a bit by now. There's a pretty funny Wikipedia page about them that gives a list of famous Red coats and Blue coats, but doesn't take time to define what those are or what the difference between them is!

Quote from: Steve Green on 26 March, 2018, 02:15:24 PM
I think I'm enjoying the space spinner sing-a-long version more than when I read it originally.

Phil Oakey, lead singer of the Human League was a reader (or at least wore a t-shirt), but I love the idea of Don't you want me being used...

He gets mentioned as a fan in a Mega-Sounds column in a few weeks also. I'd assume that it's a copyright thing, but then there's a song from Tommy in there, which couldn't have been in the public domain in 1982!

I'll say, right now we're enjoying the novelty of a musical comic, I feel like this novelty wears off as we get further into it :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 26 March, 2018, 04:30:43 PM
Basically it's a uniform for staff depending on the company, Butlins Holiday Camp had redcoats, Pontins (a different company) had blue coats, Warners had greencoats and in the fictional Maplin holiday camp in Hi-de-hi they were yellowcoats.

So not summer camps as much as family holiday camps, where they had chalets to stay in, the kids would be entertained and the parents would have variety style entertainment in the evening.

They're still around, but with cheap flights at one end and places like Center Parcs they're not as popular as they were.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 26 March, 2018, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 March, 2018, 01:35:19 PM
Glad you're enjoying Robohunter, but I hated this story

Me too! Most of the songs were set to tunes of songs I didn't even know: they were weirdly old-fashioned to a 13 year old. Wonder why? Presumably it's not a copyright problem to just say something is set to a particular tune?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 March, 2018, 01:21:24 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 March, 2018, 03:20:22 PMWe had similar things for margarine over here, but in the form of a product literally called "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!"

Oh yeah, we have that too, but I think that came in later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYn-RC2aOQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYn-RC2aOQM)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 28 March, 2018, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 March, 2018, 01:21:24 PM

Oh yeah, we have that too, but I think that came in later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYn-RC2aOQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYn-RC2aOQM)

I thought that was going to be the David Baddiel routine on this with things like 'F*ck me! This is fish paste and I'll deck anyone who says otherwise!'
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 March, 2018, 05:19:52 PM
 :lol: ah yeah, wih I'd remembereds that one
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 April, 2018, 05:49:30 AM
Big news coming up on Monday's show! But things might get a little weird with our feed this weekend. Hopefully it won't be a big deal.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 April, 2018, 09:11:57 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 April, 2018, 05:49:30 AM
Big news coming up on Monday's show!

Oh you tease you. You know we'll be listening anyway so why treat us this way!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 April, 2018, 05:27:08 AM
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In our thrilling ninety-first episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1982. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1982 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we'll give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned after this awards for important show updates! Also, feel free to visit our new podcast site at SpaceSpinner2000.com (http://spacespinner2000.com)!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 06 April, 2018, 04:09:52 AM
excellent episode as ever and thank god it wasn't a good news chums scenario although the changes are good news
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 April, 2018, 12:20:49 PM
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In our thrilling ninety-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 297-300 of 2000AD, covering January of 1983. Join us as Judge Dredd fights the last invader, Rogue Trooper goes clubbing, and Harry 20 takes off!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 April, 2018, 03:15:25 PM
Oh Lord, are we up to the disco-Rogue cover? Can't wait hearing what you made of THAT one!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 09 April, 2018, 08:02:01 PM
Great stuff as always - thanks Conrad and Fox.

It hasn't been commented on as far as I can recall but I really like the colour effect that is applied to the artwork in your posts announcing each new show. Is it some clever effect from Photoshop or something that takes a lt of time on your part?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 09 April, 2018, 09:08:37 PM
Eamonn Clarke put me onto this podcast, it's great stuff.  Your unrestrained glee at ultraviolent deaths is nearly up there with Pete's! Also got to love how every strip is introduced in a movie trailer voice.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 April, 2018, 09:40:21 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 09 April, 2018, 09:08:37 PM
Eamonn Clarke put me onto this podcast, it's great stuff.  Your unrestrained glee at ultraviolent deaths is nearly up there with Pete's! Also got to love how every strip is introduced in a movie trailer voice.

Thanks! "In a world...where grownups read 35 year old comic books!"

Quote from: WhizzBang on 09 April, 2018, 08:02:01 PM
Great stuff as always - thanks Conrad and Fox.

It hasn't been commented on as far as I can recall but I really like the colour effect that is applied to the artwork in your posts announcing each new show. Is it some clever effect from Photoshop or something that takes a lt of time on your part?

Thanks! I do the initial photo editing in the old standby, MS Paint, then edit it using a photo editing app (I use the Prisma Photo Editor, but there are a bunch out there). Generally I use the Dallas filter, which I like because it smooths out the image (the images I snap from the progs are usually no more than 900x900 pixels, and they need to be 1400x1400 for iTunes) and brightens things up without getting too weird. It takes like 15 minutes, a lot of that is moving it between my computer to my phone and back, and it and social media stuff are what I do while I'm editing the show! (I know, I know, "you should focus more on editing there buddy"). I'm sure there are ways to do things better and more efficiently, but at this point I've done it for almost 90 episodes so it's almost second nature!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 11 April, 2018, 03:56:44 PM
conrad my man you know what next weeks thumbnail must be :lol:

its coming the best bit of harry 20 :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 April, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
It's a problem we all must FACE, choosing the right cover COMES up frequently. Still, I like to think we pull it OFF pretty well most episodes.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 12 April, 2018, 04:51:26 PM
heh heh heh heh
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 13 April, 2018, 12:55:11 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 April, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
It's a problem we all must FACE, choosing the right cover COMES up frequently. Still, I like to think we pull it OFF pretty well most episodes.

I might be misremembering, but I think that was the first episode of H20 I ever read...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 13 April, 2018, 08:43:53 AM
what an insane first episode to join in on xd
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 April, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
In normal circumstances I'd praise this weeks episode with a casual - good as ever or the like, which is high praise.

However it would be inconceivable to not up the anti for anything that drops in Princess Bride references with some gloriously subtle quotations deserves extra special plaudits... so here have some extra plaudits... of the special kind.

Your name is Spacespinner 2000
You thrilled your audience
Prepare to... be... errr... mostly dead...

... that didn't work at the end there did it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 13 April, 2018, 02:42:01 PM
my favourite was the loco guy trying to "one-flew-over-the-cuckoo's-nest his way off the High Rock"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 April, 2018, 11:44:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Zd0AWE1.jpg)

In our thrilling ninety-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 301-304 of 2000AD, covering January and February of 1983. Join us as Judge Dredd heads to Shanty Town, Robo Hunter heads to a camp, and the Guinea Pig gets his revenge! Also, there MIGHT be a twist in this week's Harry 20!

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 April, 2018, 07:37:07 PM
you guessed every name except KENNY Everett (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Everett)!

Possibly the funniest episode ever - black pearl maguffins, the return of danger acid, and of course climate cheese denial theories.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 April, 2018, 07:41:08 PM
I mean we knew this cover was the one coming but come on Disco Rogue. I'm no fan of Rogue but I LOVE disco Rogue.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 April, 2018, 08:36:39 PM
Disco Rogue is also a great cover, but Ben 90 is such an iconic one. We had a ton of fun with this episode, I must admit. Fox's reaction to Cheesus is now one of my favorite show moments :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 April, 2018, 05:32:46 PM
On another note, it was a year ago today that this thread was created! Both Fox and I have gotten a lot of love and support from this board, and we definitely super appreciate it! We're getting close to a couple awesome milestones for the show and I'm super stoked to share them all with you folks. Once again thanks for all the support, and here's to many more!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 April, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 April, 2018, 05:32:46 PM
On another note, it was a year ago today that this thread was created! Both Fox and I have gotten a lot of love and support from this board, and we definitely super appreciate it! We're getting close to a couple awesome milestones for the show and I'm super stoked to share them all with you folks. Once again thanks for all the support, and here's to many more!

Give yourself the credit (well you and the lovely Steve Green who started the thread) its a fantastic Podcast. Fresh entertaining and behind all the fun and frolics pretty smart.

Well done and thanks to you!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 19 April, 2018, 07:06:09 PM
Yep, episode 93 - bloody hilarious.  The second best podcast of the week (Brian Blessed on RHLSTP takes first place, sorry!) - I hope Cheesus has a second coming!   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

This was even better then Fox's reaction on every episode when you covered the Apocalypse War!  :o  :D

Here's to many more!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 April, 2018, 05:32:46 PM
We're getting close to a couple awesome milestones for the show

And also getting close to the Best Prog Ever... I'm excited to see what you guys make of late 1983!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 20 April, 2018, 12:26:21 AM
yes i adore this and mega city bookclub its like the two podcasts i drop everything to listen to plus this podcast gave me that idea i did for the advent calender where i got my poor american friend to deal with 2000ad
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 20 April, 2018, 06:10:13 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
And also getting close to the Best Prog Ever... I'm excited to see what you guys make of late 1983!
Which prog is this?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 20 April, 2018, 06:10:13 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
And also getting close to the Best Prog Ever... I'm excited to see what you guys make of late 1983!
Which prog is this?

335. Just my opinion, obviously! I'm sure there's a thread on that somewhere...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 April, 2018, 02:24:40 PM
I'm pretty stoked about that one too: the return of Nemesis and Strontium Dog, The Graveyard Shift, Venus Bluegenes, and McMahon starting on Slaine. Just from the table contents it's a very strong prog!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 April, 2018, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 20 April, 2018, 06:10:13 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
And also getting close to the Best Prog Ever... I'm excited to see what you guys make of late 1983!
Which prog is this?

335. Just my opinion, obviously! I'm sure there's a thread on that somewhere...

That was the first one where I became a regular reader (can't remember why, but I must have had problems buying the prog where I lived, because it wasn't until 350 until I started getting absolutely every week).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 April, 2018, 03:05:25 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 20 April, 2018, 03:04:15 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 20 April, 2018, 06:10:13 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
And also getting close to the Best Prog Ever... I'm excited to see what you guys make of late 1983!
Which prog is this?

335. Just my opinion, obviously! I'm sure there's a thread on that somewhere...

That was the first one where I became a regular reader (can't remember why, but I must have had problems buying the prog where I lived, because it wasn't until 350 until I started getting absolutely every week).

p.s. I doubt that I'd still be reading comics if it wasn't for Nemesis Book III - the fact that Sláine was also running didn't harm matters.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 20 April, 2018, 04:39:44 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 20 April, 2018, 06:10:13 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 20 April, 2018, 12:14:30 AM
And also getting close to the Best Prog Ever... I'm excited to see what you guys make of late 1983!
Which prog is this?

335. Just my opinion, obviously! I'm sure there's a thread on that somewhere...

Statistically speaking, the prog that had the highest rating on Barney (back when Barney still had ratings!) was prog 324...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 April, 2018, 05:22:31 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CHCFkL2.jpg)

In our thrilling ninety-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 305-308 of 2000AD, covering February and March of 1983. Join us as Judge Dredd takes on the Trapper Hag, Rogue Trooper takes on Napoleon, Harry 20 takes on the world, and Skizz takes on Gravity! Also some truly high quality time twisters!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 23 April, 2018, 03:56:02 PM
Oh boy!  I hope Fox was prepared for the Authorised Retaliation to a correctly performed First of the Month Ritual!

'A slap and a kick, for being so quick!' supersedes the 'no returns!' clause...

Also, Fox's vision of the next Royal Wedding left me laughing so much that I missed the whole of the Harry 20 review and had to rewind it.

Skizz is my absolute favourite of Alan Moore's 2000AD work, even though it's probably the most 'bafflingly British' things you're likely to see. And pay very close attention, as nearly everything you see (including tiny background details) is Important Later.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 April, 2018, 04:08:04 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 23 April, 2018, 03:56:02 PM
Oh boy!  I hope Fox was prepared for the Authorised Retaliation to a correctly performed First of the Month Ritual!

'A slap and a kick, for being so quick!' supersedes the 'no returns!' clause...

Also, Fox's vision of the next Royal Wedding left me laughing so much that I missed the whole of the Harry 20 review and had to rewind it.

Skizz is my absolute favourite of Alan Moore's 2000AD work, even though it's probably the most 'bafflingly British' things you're likely to see. And pay very close attention, as nearly everything you see (including tiny background details) is Important Later.

I forgot to get a report of Fox's experiences with it at the start of April, gotta check in!

Angela Merkel, Meghan Markle, same person basically!

I really like Skizz as well! I've been waiting to get to it almost since the show started, so I'm incredibly excited that we're finally talking about it, and that Fox is enjoying it :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 23 April, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
Jim Calladroid is James Callaghan, Labour PM before Thatcher.

Known as 'Sunny Jim'

Hard to see what the others are The Great something?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 April, 2018, 07:45:05 AM
Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere but I always think 'Skizz' owes as much to Alan Bleasdale's seminal TV drama 'Boys from the Black Stuff' as it does to 'ET'. In so far as it really helps identify key social differences between the backdrops of both stories. This has been fairly well covered in commentry of 'Skizz' in various places so you are very possibly well on with this, but worth mentioning just in case.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 April, 2018, 12:26:46 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 23 April, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
Jim Calladroid is James Callaghan, Labour PM before Thatcher.

Known as 'Sunny Jim'

Hard to see what the others are The Great something?

Did Oswald Mosley get mentioned anywhere?  Inspiration for Iron Aggie's usurper, obviously, but I also think he's the inspiration for one of Torquemada's incarnations...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 April, 2018, 01:11:53 PM
I think it was right when he first appeared, but I definitely did call it out!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 24 April, 2018, 01:21:42 PM
Yeah, I was wondering whether you would pick up on it - when I read it as a kid, I didn't know who he was.

British Fascists weren't covered in English History when I was at school...

I also re-read the story when you were covering it, I'd forgotten how long it went on!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 April, 2018, 02:03:39 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 April, 2018, 01:11:53 PM
I think it was right when he first appeared, but I definitely did call it out!

As Steve says - even British schoolchidren weren't told about our fascist past - as far as the official line goes, it was all Germans and Italians (with a little bit of Spain thrown in).  Must have been laughing to much to hear you mention - looking forward to the next episode :-)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 24 April, 2018, 02:13:36 PM
Quite a lot of the references seem to have been aimed at comic reading parents, IMO.

Oh, and 'The Reversible Man' was the first 2000 AD Story that kept me awake at night thinking about it afterwards.  I was eight years old in 1983.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 April, 2018, 06:35:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xGrU5bB.jpg)

In our thrilling ninety-fifth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1983 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special has some great stories featuring Judge Dredd, including one with art by famous comics artist John Byrne, Rogue Trooper, and our all-time favorite Invasion story! QUACK QUACK VOLG!

This episode Conrad is joined by Steve Lacey of the Fantasticast podcast! Every week Steve and co-host Andy Leyland recap an issue of the Fantastic Four or a related comic, and is well worth your time!

Find their show at: http://www.thefantasticast.com/

and find Steve on Twitter where he's @quizlacey

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 26 April, 2018, 08:04:23 PM
What a treat - thanks Conrad and Steve! I don't have any recollection of this one so it may be one I missed. No crazy Britsh 80's references to clear up on this since Steve was on hand.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 April, 2018, 08:53:15 PM
I must say, having actual English people on the show to explain English things has been one of the unexpected great things about this process!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 26 April, 2018, 08:59:52 PM
We have our uses!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 27 April, 2018, 12:53:20 AM
holy crap what a crossover!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 27 April, 2018, 01:42:24 PM
Alan Moore's run on Swamp Thing didn't start until January 1984, but by coincidence in 1983 he was singing a jaunty tune alongside Northampton Goth group Bauhaus that includes a line from the 1983 2000 AD Sci-Fi Special...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGL8Fx6SOjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGL8Fx6SOjg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 April, 2018, 05:28:14 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/BMcEoZ9.jpg)

In our thrilling ninety-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 309-312 of 2000AD, covering March and April of 1983. Join us as the Starborn Thing arrives in Mega City One, Skizz gets to know Birmingham, Fort Neuro concludes, and the Chrono Cops enforce time law. Just the facts! Also feel free to celebrate, as we've now covered 15% of 2000AD!

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 April, 2018, 07:56:50 AM
Just finished episode 95 and while its fair to say I missed Fox it was great to hear different input and that was another fantastic (no pun intended... well maybe just a little) episode. Think the new format for presenters is going to work a treat!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 April, 2018, 11:27:04 AM
This forum has had a ... troublesome ... relationship with John Byrne - he said some very uncomplimentary things about Alan Moore and British creators in general on his own forum (tried to find the thread but couldn't locate it - anyone help?). Someone here (Jim Campbell maybe?) used to keep an eye on his rather bizarre online fiefdom and post some of the more outlandish exchanges and ego trips for our amusement. I get the impression he's a bit of a  dick (but he can draw comics, although I'm not a huge fan of that style - 80s Marvel was all pouches shoulderpads and bad haircuts)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JOE SOAP on 30 April, 2018, 11:35:06 AM


Behold the legend: https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=17355.0
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 April, 2018, 12:54:41 PM
ah yes, thanks - that brings back some memories  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 April, 2018, 02:44:43 PM
Wow, I had no idea there was so much backstory behind all this!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 01 May, 2018, 03:26:41 AM
Just reread Skizz for first time in a long time: forgotten just how great it is, and it's aged really well.

Alan Moore really was the master of telling a story in short episodes that have a satisfying structure of their own, but also move the story forwards. His 80s output is so good it just doesn't seem possible for one guy to have done it!

(Just for the record, there are no nuclear power stations in Birmingham, which is as far from the sea as you can get in the UK. Plenty of chimneys, though - birthplace of the Industrial Revolution!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 May, 2018, 10:01:36 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 01 May, 2018, 03:26:41 AM
Just reread Skizz for first time in a long time: forgotten just how great it is, and it's aged really well.

Alan Moore really was the master of telling a story in short episodes that have a satisfying structure of their own, but also move the story forwards. His 80s output is so good it just doesn't seem possible for one guy to have done it!

(Just for the record, there are no nuclear power stations in Birmingham, which is as far from the sea as you can get in the UK. Plenty of chimneys, though - birthplace of the Industrial Revolution!)

The furthest point from the sea is in Derbyshire - maybe you're thinking of the 'centre of the UK', in Coventry (not far from Brum)?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 May, 2018, 10:23:45 PM
That's so weird, because nuclear cooling towers do seem to show up in Skizz imagry a bit, both in the opening comic and even in teasers for upcoming progs, like this one:

(https://i.imgur.com/2Hu1DTw.png)

Maybe these are just regular smokestacks and I'm making assumptions? That said, I really love Skizz. There's so much character stuff in it, especially for Roxy, Skizz, Loz, and even Cornelius. It's a big change from the average 2000AD story of the time, but it also somehow fits right in. Very excited to cover it more!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 01 May, 2018, 10:59:30 PM
They're not nuclear power stations necessarily - cooling towers are all over the place for non-nuke power stations in the UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didcot_power_stations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didcot_power_stations)

All the nuclear stations in the UK are on the coast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_United_Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_United_Kingdom)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 02 May, 2018, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 May, 2018, 10:23:45 PM
That said, I really love Skizz. There's so much character stuff in it, especially for Roxy, Skizz, Loz, and even Cornelius. It's a big change from the average 2000AD story of the time, but it also somehow fits right in. Very excited to cover it more!

I didn't know anything about UK girls comics (which were huge in the 70s and 80s) until I read the recent 'Misty' reprints.

Reading Skizz again now, it seems clear it was influenced more by those girls comics than by anything in 2000ad itself. The schoolgirl protagonist (obviously), the emphasis on characters with realistic emotions, and the (wonderful) Jim Baikie art: could easily have run in 'Jinty'.

An early example of 2000ad soaking up influences from all over until it was the last comic standing. Next up: Sword & Sorcery!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 02 May, 2018, 02:45:26 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 May, 2018, 10:01:36 PM
The furthest point from the sea is in Derbyshire - maybe you're thinking of the 'centre of the UK', in Coventry (not far from Brum)?

Yes I was - the nearby Meridan (or so it is said). Damn: geographic nit-picking, and I started it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 02 May, 2018, 04:06:43 PM
(https://cdn1.28dayslater.co.uk/xf/2017/07/1467561_b5daf0a80bd8a4b839b670c282acb233.jpg)

That is, or was, the Nechells coal fired power station in Birmingham. I grew up not too far from there.
It closed in 1982 and was subsequently demolished. It's now the Star city shopping mall/entertainment multiplex, but then again isn't everything these days?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 May, 2018, 05:02:07 PM
This is really interesting stuff! I think some combination of SimCity and the Simpsons made me assume that those big towers were just for nuclear plants. Always learning new stuff for this show!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 02 May, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
By the way, nice shout-out to Dave Gibbons on this weeks show. For anybody who doesn't know, the reason he didn't do that much in 2000ad between Dan Dare and Rogue Trooper is, he was drawing Doctor Who for Marvel UK.

And an excellent job he made of it: it's all available in three collections, 'The Iron Legion', 'Dragon's Claw' (with bonus Mike McMahon), and 'The Tides of Time'. The first volume is written by John Wagner and Pat Mills, and if you imagine Dr Who as an early 80s 2000ad story, it's exactly like what you're imagining.

Anybody who enjoys this period of 2000ad should definitely check out the first book at least. Thinking about it, one of those stories ('The Star Beast'), would make an interesting double-feature with Skizz...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 02 May, 2018, 05:45:06 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 02 May, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
Anybody who enjoys this period of 2000ad should definitely check out the first book at least. Thinking about it, one of those stories ('The Star Beast'), would make an interesting double-feature with Skizz...

Nonsense! Everybody knows there's no thrills worth sucking at Marvel UK...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 02 May, 2018, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 02 May, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
By the way, nice shout-out to Dave Gibbons on this weeks show. For anybody who doesn't know, the reason he didn't do that much in 2000ad between Dan Dare and Rogue Trooper is, he was drawing Doctor Who for Marvel UK.

And an excellent job he made of it: it's all available in three collections, 'The Iron Legion', 'Dragon's Claw' (with bonus Mike McMahon), and 'The Tides of Time'. The first volume is written by John Wagner and Pat Mills, and if you imagine Dr Who as an early 80s 2000ad story, it's exactly like what you're imagining.

Anybody who enjoys this period of 2000ad should definitely check out the first book at least. Thinking about it, one of those stories ('The Star Beast'), would make an interesting double-feature with Skizz...

Stay tuned to another 2000AD podcast for an episode on the Iron Legion volume from Panini which is coming up on May 13th, and we do mention similarities between the Star Beast and Skizz.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 03 May, 2018, 03:54:05 PM
god the doctor who weekly/monthly/whenever the hell its released now are good stuff
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 May, 2018, 05:20:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xTVPPjZ.jpg)

In our thrilling ninety-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 313-329 of 2000AD, covering April and May of 1983. Join us as Skizz gets sick, Slade gets dead, and Dredd gets pregnant!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 08 May, 2018, 08:32:51 PM
I consider this to be the last proper Sam Slade story and it was a shame to see the character written off like this. Has any background into what happened ever come out? Were Wagner and Grant just bored of him?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 May, 2018, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 08 May, 2018, 08:32:51 PM
I consider this to be the last proper Sam Slade story and it was a shame to see the character written off like this. Has any background into what happened ever come out? Were Wagner and Grant just bored of him?

It seems a bit like that to me, both Play it Again Sam and this storyline have a fair amount of filler in them imo (all the different songs, or the section we'll be getting next episode that's basically a clip show of previous robo hunter stories). Plus we're right on the verge of a sea change for authorship in 2000AD. As opposed to the last year or two where basically every non-future shock has been either Wagner/Grant or Finely-Day, we're now seeing Alan Moore come on the scene with extended stories (first Skizz, then DR & Quinch, then Halo Jones) and Pat Mills is on the verge of arriving with both Slaine and fairly regular Nemesis storylines. There clearly isn't room for all that PLUS Robo Hunter and Strontium Dog, so I could see them working to get all the story lines they wanted to tell and get it all finished up in time for Prog 335. Of course, it's a telling detail that they only revisit Sam once, two years later. But all this is based on looking at the text, instead of actual back story :D

Also, I like the Peter Hogan/Rian Hughes installment of Robo Hunter, though I understand it wasn't popular at the time, and I'm very interested to check out the Samantha Slade stuff, but of course that's way way in the future!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 May, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 May, 2018, 09:23:17 PM
Also, I like the Peter Hogan/Rian Hughes installment of Robo Hunter, though I understand it wasn't popular at the time, and I'm very interested to check out the Samantha Slade stuff, but of course that's way way in the future!

Yep to the Peter Hogan / Rian Hughes stuff its great and I'm a big fan of the Samantha Slade stuff too.

Aren't we all forgetting the brilliant 'Farewell my billions'. Absolutely love that story.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 14 May, 2018, 08:03:04 AM
Sorry getting a little ahead of the posts here, but just started listening to Episode 98 and its absolutely fantastic stuff. Its so interesting hearing Fox's frustration at the current batch of stories. The juxtaposition of the jump in quality from what I think is the weakest of the original Robo-Hunter stories in 'Death of' to the joy of Skizz is just fascinating and kinda foreshadows the shift I suspect will come if you compare the quality of thrills over all in this batch and what will be coming shortly.

The shift in quality between say Prog 319 and Prog 335 is quite something to behold!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 May, 2018, 11:29:04 AM
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In our thrilling ninety-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 317-320 of 2000AD, covering May and June of 1983. Join us as Rogue Trooper remembers Milli-Comm, Dredd checks out Condos, and DR and Quinch have fun on Earth!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 May, 2018, 11:34:05 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 14 May, 2018, 08:03:04 AM
Sorry getting a little ahead of the posts here, but just started listening to Episode 98 and its absolutely fantastic stuff. Its so interesting hearing Fox's frustration at the current batch of stories. The juxtaposition of the jump in quality from what I think is the weakest of the original Robo-Hunter stories in 'Death of' to the joy of Skizz is just fascinating and kinda foreshadows the shift I suspect will come if you compare the quality of thrills over all in this batch and what will be coming shortly.

The shift in quality between say Prog 319 and Prog 335 is quite something to behold!

I do really think it's interesting how Robo-Hunter being kind of a bummer can bring the whole set of progs down. It really speaks to the importance of a good opening story! It's kind of a bummer to see Robo-Hunter in this decline, but 335 is on the horizon and I for one and super stoked!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 14 May, 2018, 05:21:19 PM
I honestly like this batch of progs.

The first time I read this Sam Slade story I had not yet read Verdus or Day of The Driods so this stepping back through Sam's history was not a problem for me. It may not be the greatest of the Robo Hunter cases but it is still Sam Slade and I enjoy him while I can.

I liked the Time Twisters too and with DR and Quinch being the obvious highlight.

The Stupid Gun was fun and could Condo be seen as an early attempt at a more Procedural Drama Dredd story? It is not a particularly memorable one but it works fine for me and has Ezquerra's art.

Rogue's memories give insight into the formative years of the GIs and that's a nice break from the usual Nu-Earth based stuff.

No need to say anything about Skizz since the praise is fairly unanimous on this one.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 16 May, 2018, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 14 May, 2018, 05:21:19 PM
I honestly like this batch of progs.

The first time I read this Sam Slade story I had not yet read Verdus or Day of The Driods so this stepping back through Sam's history was not a problem for me. It may not be the greatest of the Robo Hunter cases but it is still Sam Slade and I enjoy him while I can.

The Slaying of Slade was running in the first progs I ever read - with the first prog I bought being the last episode - also of Skizz - upsetting for me as it was one of the things that got me in to the prog!  Only a few weeks until 335 though, with one of the strongest line-ups there has ever been! I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that I wouldn't still be reading comics all these years later if it wasn't for the 1983 line-up in 2000AD!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 May, 2018, 01:38:07 AM
It's going to be a monster of a wrap up. Picking a bottom OR a top for that month will be a challenge!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 May, 2018, 05:15:02 AM
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In our thrilling ninety-ninth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1983 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This is the fourth Dredd Annual, and once again we have Carlos Ezquerra drawing three new full color Dredd stories, as well as classic Dredd, some features, and another Jose Casanovas Max Normal.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 01:02:01 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 May, 2018, 10:20:53 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 14 May, 2018, 05:21:19 PM
I honestly like this batch of progs.

The first time I read this Sam Slade story I had not yet read Verdus or Day of The Driods so this stepping back through Sam's history was not a problem for me. It may not be the greatest of the Robo Hunter cases but it is still Sam Slade and I enjoy him while I can.

The Slaying of Slade was running in the first progs I ever read - with the first prog I bought being the last episode - also of Skizz - upsetting for me as it was one of the things that got me in to the prog!  Only a few weeks until 335 though, with one of the strongest line-ups there has ever been! I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that I wouldn't still be reading comics all these years later if it wasn't for the 1983 line-up in 2000AD!


Stunned that Fox thought this same line-up was one of the weaker periods - but then I didn't like the first book of the Brutannia Chronicles (which seemed to garner heaps of acclaim) and have liked some of the later books more (when everybody else seems to be going off it).  (Hate the typeface for the cythrons though).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 17 May, 2018, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 May, 2018, 05:15:02 AM
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In our thrilling ninety-ninth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1983 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This is the fourth Dredd Annual, and once again we have Carlos Ezquerra drawing three new full color Dredd stories, as well as classic Dredd, some features, and another Jose Casanovas Max Normal.

This time I'm joined by Eamonn Clarke of the Mega City Book Club, who you surely know from around this forum!

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Well I for one love it! And I'm not at all biased.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 17 May, 2018, 05:50:37 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 01:02:01 PM
Stunned that Fox thought this same line-up was one of the weaker periods - but then I didn't like the first book of the Brutannia Chronicles (which seemed to garner heaps of acclaim) and have liked some of the later books more (when everybody else seems to be going off it).  (Hate the typeface for the cythrons though).

I can see his point though - Dredd is good, but can't hold a candle to the Apocalypse War, which was only a couple of months ago, and Robo Hunter is definitely on a bit of a decline (although it does pick up after this IMO). I'd still say each prog is a solid 4.5 / 5 though :)


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 May, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
I suspect reading in real time as us old timers did vs the condensed reading for the podcast hasnt helped these stories - I was surprised how vexed Fox was, but it does make sense when a story (or stories) are underperforming from previous high peaks... I always think the balance of more Alan Moore more than makes up for a few semi sluggish Grover scripts, and with the return of Pat at his finest and Stront at HIS finest.... hang in there our (non robot) pal!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 17 May, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
... I always think the balance of more Alan Moore more than makes up for...

You only said that so you could get more/Moore three times in four words, right?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 May, 2018, 10:40:05 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 May, 2018, 10:26:45 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 17 May, 2018, 09:44:14 PM
... I always think the balance of more Alan Moore more than makes up for...

You only said that so you could get more/Moore three times in four words, right?

busted!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 17 May, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
I didn't get the reference to Ron Smith and "that thing with the clock"  :-*
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 May, 2018, 01:31:52 AM
One thing I've heard a lot about Ron Smith was that he'd figure out how much his paycheck worked out for to allow his to work a reasonable work week, and then he'd divide that evenly over each page he worked on, literally setting an alarm clock for each page, and once it went off that page was done. I'm not sure how real that, but I've heard it several times.

To me this feels like people are accusing him of being lazy or something, which to me isn't really borne out by the level of detail and amount of stuff going on in them, you know?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JOE SOAP on 18 May, 2018, 02:30:03 AM

Ron was just talented, reaching a point where he could bypass the pencil stage and go straight for the inks – brush to page.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 May, 2018, 09:02:24 AM
ah of course, I have heard that story - I assumed it referred to something he'd drawn and was racking my brains for a Dredd story that featured a clock!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 May, 2018, 01:19:44 PM
Has he made any appearances since Free Comic Book Day 2012 (which I couldn't attend?)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 May, 2018, 05:14:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/BD7HprT.jpg)

In our thrilling one hundreth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 321-324 of 2000AD, covering June and July of 1983. Join us as Sam Slade goes full ghost, Skizz goes full caper, Dredd goes full werewolf, and we go full bore because it's the 100th episode!!! Conrad has had too much to drink in celebration, will he survive to the end of the episode!?

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 21 May, 2018, 03:30:29 PM
Congratulations on 100 episodes, guys!

Stay tuned till June with is Spacespinner 2000 month on Mega City Book Club.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 21 May, 2018, 09:14:01 PM
congrats on the first hundred lot of good stuff for the next 100 then....well...err :o
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 22 May, 2018, 06:08:32 AM
Congratulations on and thanks for your first century of excellent podcasts. Zarjaz!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 22 May, 2018, 06:41:20 PM
Congrats again to Conrad for making it to the end of the episode.  :lol:

And I was wrong, July is Space Spinner month in the book club.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 22 May, 2018, 06:50:57 PM
"For the record" is maybe the phrase of the show.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 22 May, 2018, 09:06:05 PM
Good work lads! This is a really special podcast.

I think it is right that the Robo Hunter chair thing is having a laugh at British apathy, unfriendliness, and inertia while also managing to squeeze in a distaste for seeing people enjoying themselves in public. These character traits are probably more pronounced in the south of England than in the North or Scotland.

Sherbert came up during this episode and Conrad described it as being something like toothpaste. It is actually a powder - indistinguishable from icing sugar to look at or touch but it tastes sweeter, sharper and fizzier than sugar. You eat it by dipping either liquorice (yuck), a lolly pop, or your finger into it.

Thanks for the heads up about Where Eagles Dare. Listening to them discuss Doomlord made me realise I need a Doomlord collection but have found none exists which is a shame.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 22 May, 2018, 09:33:18 PM
In a wonderful bit of coincidence one of my art entries, Tharg the ZX Spectrum appeared in this batch of progs.

Yeah, London has a reputation for people being unfriendly, not talking/making eye contact on the tube etc.

I was surprised Sherbert isn't a thing in the US. I guess the closest analogy is a milder version of space dust, no popping - it's sort of like lemon flavoured bicarbonate of soda, so if you stuck a load in your mouth it would foam/fizz up.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 May, 2018, 09:42:24 PM
Sherbet is like Cocaine.


(https://traditionalsshop.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/sherbet-fountain-1024x757.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 May, 2018, 09:48:38 PM
Though never EVER snort it. Please God don't snort it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JOE SOAP on 22 May, 2018, 09:58:17 PM


It had to done, at least once.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 May, 2018, 10:07:34 PM
Oh yeah sure you start on the Sherbat but then you move to the hard stuff.

I mean have you ever tried to snort a Fox's Glacier Mint?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 22 May, 2018, 10:10:58 PM
Just stay off the 1970s racist sweets. That's not cool.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 May, 2018, 07:37:28 AM
Big round of applause for surviving that chaps - did I even hear a bit of a 'mouth sick' at one point?

Such a delight and the drunken fun is kinda like making it double sized with a hologram cover, just makes it that little bit more fun and special.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 23 May, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
That was great fun - congratulations on reaching 100, seems like only yesterday! It should be a law that all podcast anniversary episodes must be done drunk (although Fox has some disgusting taste in beverages).  If anything, it was more professional than most episodes, apart from a slightly chaotic start.

Quote from: WhizzBang on 22 May, 2018, 09:06:05 PM
Sherbert came up during this episode and Conrad described it as being something like toothpaste. It is actually a powder - indistinguishable from icing sugar to look at or touch but it tastes sweeter, sharper and fizzier than sugar. You eat it by dipping either liquorice (yuck), a lolly pop, or your finger into it.

*Tchoh*, Philistine - the bitter saltiness of the liquorice in the Sherbet Fountain contrasts perfectly with the sweet sherbet; unlike the inferior Sherbet Dib-Dab which had a hard candy stick making a sickly sweet/sweet combo.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 May, 2018, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 23 May, 2018, 07:37:28 AM
Big round of applause for surviving that chaps - did I even hear a bit of a 'mouth sick' at one point?

Such a delight and the drunken fun is kinda like making it double sized with a hologram cover, just makes it that little bit more fun and special.

As I was constantly saying during the episode, I'm not gonna lie to you, I was having a rough time by the end. I'm glad everyone enjoyed this episode, I'm not sure we'll repeat this for episode 200 :D

I just want to say that I love these "Two Nations Divided By A Common Language" moments about childhood snacks. In my experience sherbet is a kind of ice cream (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbet#Distinction_from_sherbet), usually fruit flavored (Orange, Boysenberry, and "Rainbow" were the big ones). We did have powdered sugar stuff, mostly famously Pixie Sticks, which were just colored and flavored sugar in paper straws, though there was also Fun Dip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun_Dip), which seems similar to British sherbet, which was colored sugar you ate using a stick made out of hardened sugar. The opened package of sherbet above is blowing my mind slightly.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 23 May, 2018, 04:55:56 PM
Conrad and Fox react to british snacks spinoff vidcast?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 23 May, 2018, 11:17:39 PM
Hahahaha!! 100th episode - brilliant! Well done both. You both sounded totally wrecked.  :lol:

I have to admit to skipping an episode to get to 100, so now I'm going to hit reverse and check out the awesome Eammon on your show.  :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 24 May, 2018, 07:23:59 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 23 May, 2018, 04:55:56 PM
Conrad and Fox react to british snacks spinoff vidcast?

Immediate interest.

Quote from: Dandontdare on 23 May, 2018, 01:29:39 PM
(although Fox has some disgusting taste in beverages). 

I love a good cocktail. Berlin is strangely short of quality mixing ingredients and specialty mixers. My dream was to make a Blockmania, which I imagine is absinthe, mixed with almost anything that makes the drink more tolerable. That's a lot of experimenting with wormwood I just didn't want to do.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 24 May, 2018, 07:46:52 PM
Top it with a 4-cred Freezy-whip
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 24 May, 2018, 10:03:11 PM


Just don't try a Nemesis...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 25 May, 2018, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 24 May, 2018, 07:46:52 PM
Top it with a 4-cred Freezy-whip

No way dude, those things are just way too dangerous!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 26 May, 2018, 11:47:47 PM
Congratulations on your Century! 

I have just read Skizz again, and (this might be the Brummie in me talking) I'm thinking this is the equal, if not the best thing Alan Moore ever did.  Comics perfection!

Also reread "The Time Machine", my favourite of all Alan Moore's shorts for Tharg - I feel like I shouldnt't like it - the message is a bit.... grim at best?  But I think it is just beautiful and sad and totally wrong for a kids comic, which is what makes it exactly right for 2000AD

Fox - set robo-tearducts to maximum capacity!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 May, 2018, 12:27:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Jz3aX8K.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 325-329 of 2000AD, covering July and August of 1983. Join us as Skizz reaches its climax, Rogue Trooper fights the press, Sam Slade gets back on the case, and Dredd is a dang werewolf!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 May, 2018, 12:29:45 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 26 May, 2018, 11:47:47 PM
Congratulations on your Century! 

I have just read Skizz again, and (this might be the Brummie in me talking) I'm thinking this is the equal, if not the best thing Alan Moore ever did.  Comics perfection!

Also reread "The Time Machine", my favourite of all Alan Moore's shorts for Tharg - I feel like I shouldnt't like it - the message is a bit.... grim at best?  But I think it is just beautiful and sad and totally wrong for a kids comic, which is what makes it exactly right for 2000AD

Fox - set robo-tearducts to maximum capacity!

Skizz is so great! Also, while I prefer The Reversible Man a bit more, both it and The Time Machine take a very melacholy tone that I think is amazing!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 28 May, 2018, 12:58:42 PM
Die Hard on a space ship is Space Mutiny. They've stolen hours of effects footage from Battlestar Galactica and they're not afraid to go up to speeds of 3!

The Undercity as a D&D campaign setting, you say? Why not try The Rookie's Guide to the Undercity (wot I wrote).  It's out of print, but Amazon has a used copy in good condition for the bargain price of ÂŁ10,202.51...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 28 May, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
Thanks Conrad and Fox!

I was one of the runners up in the Robo Machines competition and it was a huge thrill to get a letter from Therg on 2000AD headed notepaper. My memory of the toy thing is that Robo Machines were on the market first but didn't have a big impact and were then pretty much forgotten once Transformers came out.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 28 May, 2018, 09:25:25 PM
"Eureka!" is my other top Alan Moore one-off!

The brilliance of it is, that the idea being spread about is Alan Moore's ofted talked about belief in the idea of time as a Four Dimensional Solid, which if you investigate it, is not only a sound and very plausible explanation for how the Universe works, but also fits the idea that once you've heard it, you can't go back (I've certainly adopted it, so the strip did its job on me!) - "all time is simultaneous..." (if you could step out of it and observe it in its four dimensions, so we are living eternally in a heaven or hell that we make for ourselves here and now - scary or reassuring, depending on your p.o.v.!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: I, Cosh on 28 May, 2018, 10:34:50 PM
Allnow is love.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 May, 2018, 03:05:51 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 28 May, 2018, 12:58:42 PM
Die Hard on a space ship is Space Mutiny. They've stolen hours of effects footage from Battlestar Galactica and they're not afraid to go up to speeds of 3!

The Undercity as a D&D campaign setting, you say? Why not try The Rookie's Guide to the Undercity (wot I wrote).  It's out of print, but Amazon has a used copy in good condition for the bargain price of ÂŁ10,202.51...

My "Die Hard in a [sci fi setting]" library is surprisingly small, though I think I have seen stuff for Space Mutiny! I'd probably get the used copy for $13 if it's all the same to you, though I'll also say that I've had problems running RPGs for intellectual properties that I love but other people aren't that familiar with. It happened with the Warhammer 40K rpg I tried to run, and I'm sure it would happen with a Dredd game :D

Quote from: WhizzBang on 28 May, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
Thanks Conrad and Fox!

I was one of the runners up in the Robo Machines competition and it was a huge thrill to get a letter from Therg on 2000AD headed notepaper. My memory of the toy thing is that Robo Machines were on the market first but didn't have a big impact and were then pretty much forgotten once Transformers came out.

I think they came out at roughly the same time here in the states? But go-bots were definitely the store brand transformers. Though they DID get their own movie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoBots:_Battle_of_the_Rock_Lords), where they fought lame robots that turned into rocks or something. I believe I saw it when it came out, but since that was 30 years ago I can't be trusted for details!

Quote from: Leigh S on 28 May, 2018, 09:25:25 PM
"Eureka!" is my other top Alan Moore one-off!

The brilliance of it is, that the idea being spread about is Alan Moore's ofted talked about belief in the idea of time as a Four Dimensional Solid, which if you investigate it, is not only a sound and very plausible explanation for how the Universe works, but also fits the idea that once you've heard it, you can't go back (I've certainly adopted it, so the strip did its job on me!) - "all time is simultaneous..." (if you could step out of it and observe it in its four dimensions, so we are living eternally in a heaven or hell that we make for ourselves here and now - scary or reassuring, depending on your p.o.v.!

Haha, the problems with the mysteries of the universe is that sometimes I'm not smart enough to understand the inital points! Maybe it's just the crew surrounding the narrator and forcing him to hear the idea at the end, but Eureka! always reminds of The Game  (http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Game_(episode))episode of Star Trek TNG.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 29 May, 2018, 08:13:39 AM
Happy to report I heard a lot of love for Spacespinner at this weekend's Lawgiver IV con - I talked to several people who were listening, and recommended it to a few who weren't.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 29 May, 2018, 09:59:12 AM
Robo Machines also had their own strip in Eagle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robo_Machines_(comics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robo_Machines_(comics))
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 May, 2018, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 29 May, 2018, 08:13:39 AM
Happy to report I heard a lot of love for Spacespinner at this weekend's Lawgiver IV con - I talked to several people who were listening, and recommended it to a few who weren't.

Awesome! I really appreciate it! Next year I'm really hoping to get out and show the flag at at least one convention over there, but that is very much in the "wouldn't it be cool if..." stage right now :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 29 May, 2018, 08:56:07 PM
By which time, my Skizz Tour of Birmingham will be up and running!  (I jest, but expect at least one photo of a "then and now" Skizz location just down the road from work!

Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 May, 2018, 07:43:08 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 29 May, 2018, 08:13:39 AM
Happy to report I heard a lot of love for Spacespinner at this weekend's Lawgiver IV con - I talked to several people who were listening, and recommended it to a few who weren't.

Awesome! I really appreciate it! Next year I'm really hoping to get out and show the flag at at least one convention over there, but that is very much in the "wouldn't it be cool if..." stage right now :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 May, 2018, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 29 May, 2018, 08:56:07 PM
By which time, my Skizz Tour of Birmingham will be up and running!  (I jest, but expect at least one photo of a "then and now" Skizz location just down the road from work!

The underpass near the Bullring?  I'm guessing the canals with smoke stacks would be a bit generic (though maybe...)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 May, 2018, 09:17:24 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 29 May, 2018, 09:59:12 AM
Robo Machines also had their own strip in Eagle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robo_Machines_(comics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robo_Machines_(comics))

Tom Tully and Kim Raymond?  Interesting...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 29 May, 2018, 10:59:07 PM
The Peace Gardens on Holloway Head (though why Cornelius thinks thats a good place to be at that particular point!

Quote from: sheridan on 29 May, 2018, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 29 May, 2018, 08:56:07 PM
By which time, my Skizz Tour of Birmingham will be up and running!  (I jest, but expect at least one photo of a "then and now" Skizz location just down the road from work!

The underpass near the Bullring?  I'm guessing the canals with smoke stacks would be a bit generic (though maybe...)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 May, 2018, 11:12:26 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 29 May, 2018, 10:59:07 PM
The Peace Gardens on Holloway Head (though why Cornelius thinks thats a good place to be at that particular point!

I think I've been through there - was there a large London Eye-style Ferris Wheel there about a decade and a half ago?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 May, 2018, 05:01:25 AM
Hey everyone, we're a couple days away from taping our 1983 year in review show, the Spinnies! I'd love to hear what you guys thought about 1983 in the Galaxy's Greatest, and if there's anything you'd like us to discuss on the show. Anyhow, get your golden tuxedos ready! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 30 May, 2018, 07:13:09 AM
1983 sure was the year i was born in....yup
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 30 May, 2018, 01:55:43 PM
There seems to be a preference for longer form stories on Dredd, especially from Fox which is interesting. (maybe less so on Robohunter).

I guess Dredd of that period in particular tends to pack a lot more in, so even the longer stories don't drag.

Also quite surprised that something that's heavily influenced by UK drama like Skizz stands the test of time and with an international audience - I guess some things are universal.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 30 May, 2018, 02:08:47 PM
The Complete Skizz is half price in the 2000 AD Shop right now...

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB611 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB611)

...and I'm seriously tempted to buy even though it'll eventually turn up as part of the Hachette Ultimate Collection, as those particular progs were the ones I used to loan out to my RPG group as part of my Introduction to Dredd and they're subsequently in a pretty tatty state...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 May, 2018, 02:29:23 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 30 May, 2018, 02:08:47 PM
The Complete Skizz is half price in the 2000 AD Shop right now...

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB611 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB611)

...and I'm seriously tempted to buy even though it'll eventually turn up as part of the Hachette Ultimate Collection, as those particular progs were the ones I used to loan out to my RPG group as part of my Introduction to Dredd and they're subsequently in a pretty tatty state...

I was stoked that Skizz was half price, I bought the digital version to have a better picture of the color page from prog 329!

Quote from: The Monarch on 30 May, 2018, 07:13:09 AM
1983 sure was the year i was born in....yup

Haha, I must admit that i'm excited to actually get to years I have memories of!

Quote from: Steve Green on 30 May, 2018, 01:55:43 PM
There seems to be a preference for longer form stories on Dredd, especially from Fox which is interesting. (maybe less so on Robohunter).

I guess Dredd of that period in particular tends to pack a lot more in, so even the longer stories don't drag.

Also quite surprised that something that's heavily influenced by UK drama like Skizz stands the test of time and with an international audience - I guess some things are universal.

I'm split between the big epic stories and the super short ones, in terms of my faves. There's one coming up, "The Suspect" where there's a guy who has three jobs and Dredd finds him out, and it's a lot of fun! But way off on the horizon I see City of the Damned looming and I get very excited :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 30 May, 2018, 02:31:37 PM
BTW I see Hibernia have the digital versions of their specials on UK comics, including Beyond 2000 AD available.

Worth a look if you haven't read them.

https://www.facebook.com/HiberniaComics/?ref=br_rs
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 31 May, 2018, 12:27:41 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 May, 2018, 05:01:25 AM
Hey everyone, we're a couple days away from taping our 1983 year in review show, the Spinnies! I'd love to hear what you guys thought about 1983 in the Galaxy's Greatest, and if there's anything you'd like us to discuss on the show. Anyhow, get your golden tuxedos ready! :D

I want to hear everything, as it's the year I started to read 2000AD.  I think I mentioned it in Eamonn's podcast (the first Ballad of Halo Jones one), but I was given about nine or ten progs between 308 and 322 by a neighbour when I was eight years old.  The first prog I bought was 330, I started to buy most weeks from 335 and started to buy every week from 350, so my 'firsts' were also firsts for Skizz, Slaine, Nemesis the Warlock Book III (and I think the Malak Brood story), and The Killing.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 02 June, 2018, 10:56:28 PM
This podcast is great.  I collected and read 2000AD from about prog 178 (then years later buying progs 1-177) and then I stopped getting it at prog 1683 - partly because I'd moved to the US and import costs became an issue.

So, I was having a nostalgia blether about it and decided to download a couple of progs, and I've just read prog 1685.   Uhm ... at this stage it just seems like Judge Dredd is stupid to not realize that Ambrose is Maybe.

I figure if you guys can go from prog 1, I can probably manage to get caught up to present day from 1685.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 June, 2018, 03:22:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QXUiu9t.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 330-333 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1983. Join us Skizz beams up, Sam Slade starts his last case, Dredd gets heavy, and a young man named Sláine arrives on our show!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 June, 2018, 09:52:25 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 June, 2018, 03:22:42 PM
In our thrilling hundred and second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 330-333 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1983. Join us Skizz beams up, Sam Slade starts his last case, Dredd gets heavy, and a young man named Sláine arrives on our show!

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Great stuff - as mentioned in my last comment - this is the era that got me into life-long devotion to the GG!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 June, 2018, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 June, 2018, 09:52:25 PM
Great stuff - as mentioned in my last comment - this is the era that got me into life-long devotion to the GG!

Nice! Hope you think we're doing it justice!

Quote from: Funt Solo on 02 June, 2018, 10:56:28 PM
I figure if you guys can go from prog 1, I can probably manage to get caught up to present day from 1685.

I mean, our goal is to go from prog 1 to the present day, so I can understand how daunting it is!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 05 June, 2018, 01:25:29 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 June, 2018, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 June, 2018, 09:52:25 PM
Great stuff - as mentioned in my last comment - this is the era that got me into life-long devotion to the GG!

Nice! Hope you think we're doing it justice!

Certainly do - the passion, excitement and enjoyment come through, particularly when Fox has been talking about Skizz and Slaine!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 05 June, 2018, 01:25:50 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 05 June, 2018, 01:25:29 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 June, 2018, 10:09:34 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 June, 2018, 09:52:25 PM
Great stuff - as mentioned in my last comment - this is the era that got me into life-long devotion to the GG!

Nice! Hope you think we're doing it justice!

Certainly do - the passion, excitement and enjoyment come through, particularly when Fox has been talking about Skizz and Slaine!

p.s. another D&Der here ;-)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 05 June, 2018, 08:33:04 AM
Am I too late for the 1983 year end comments?

1983 was my first 2000AD year and the highs were great and the lows were not very low. I knew Dredd and Slade before I started so I was sad to see Slade go in a way that seemed unnecessary.
Nemesis and Strontium Dog were new to me and I had no trouble getting into them without reading any previous storties which I am sure was a deliberate and well executed part of these strips. I was 9 when the year began and I struggled with Skizz and Slaine which perhaps weren't space/future enough for me back then.

Pat Mills has said that Slaine development involved a huge amount of research into ancient (particularly Celtic) legends and mythology. The upshot is that the more ridiculous or bizarre the thing is that happens, the more likely it has its roots in ancient legend, myth or truth. The bit in this weeks podcast about the way prisons worked is true. You can visit Clink Prison in London to find out what prison was like up to the 16th Century and prisoners did stay until they had begged or borrowed enough money to pay their way out. It is really grim and not far from the prison described in the early Slaine story.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 June, 2018, 08:46:22 AM
it'll likely be a year -and an annual special i am booked to part of ahem- before we get to where i became a squaxx and the oddness of falling in love with a character then losing said character in a quick timeframe -being vague for foxes sake but i think you all know who i am talking about-
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 05 June, 2018, 12:52:22 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 05 June, 2018, 08:46:22 AM
it'll likely be a year -and an annual special i am booked to part of ahem- before we get to where i became a squaxx and the oddness of falling in love with a character then losing said character in a quick timeframe -being vague for foxes sake but i think you all know who i am talking about-

Depends - did you start reading about 1989/1990?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 June, 2018, 05:44:58 PM
yup
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 05 June, 2018, 11:53:46 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 05 June, 2018, 05:44:58 PM
yup
On the same page then.  It was possible you were referring to [spoiler]Chief Judges Silver or McGruder[/spoiler], [spoiler]Wulf[/spoiler] or any of the members of [spoiler]Bad Company who died but inexplicably aren't dead now[/spoiler].
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 June, 2018, 01:47:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KToFwql.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and third episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1984 2000AD Annual. This is the seventh 2000AD annual and we're seeing a great combination of new stories and classic thrills in these pages.

This episode Conrad is joined by Steve Green, the co-director of Search/Destroy, the Strontium Dog fan film, the cinematographer of Judge Minty, the Judge Dredd fan film, and visual effects artist for the recent Rogue Trooper: The Quartz Massacre fan film!

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!

It was super fun talking to Steve about these thrills. We also talked about his movie making, but it was too much for one episode! I'll have that part of our conversation up next week as a special bonus episode.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 June, 2018, 02:44:42 PM
Thanks, had a great time revisiting the annual!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 11 June, 2018, 02:44:55 AM
Still plenty episodes behind the latest but making progress... nice today to hear the guys reach my first published letter and deem it 'great'. 99% sure anyway, based on the description and the ballpark prog being covered (would need to check the progs to prove it). 'Some kid', haven't been called that for ages  :)

Time-travel is weird. Hootin' heck...!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 June, 2018, 11:16:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rLETdZb.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 334-337 of 2000AD, covering September and October of 1983. Join us as Sláine goes on a mission, Dredd starts the midnight shift, and Nemesis the Warlock and Strontium Dog return!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 June, 2018, 11:18:35 AM
Quote from: Fungus on 11 June, 2018, 02:44:55 AM
Still plenty episodes behind the latest but making progress... nice today to hear the guys reach my first published letter and deem it 'great'. 99% sure anyway, based on the description and the ballpark prog being covered (would need to check the progs to prove it). 'Some kid', haven't been called that for ages  :)

Time-travel is weird. Hootin' heck...!

Thanks! Sorry, I wish we could cover all the individual letters and reader art and stuff, but it'd take super long. I guess at some point I should stop assume everyone who writes in is a young person, but that day is not today! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 June, 2018, 07:50:36 AM
Arh man Prog 335, so good and while its easy to get wrapped in a big love blanket with that issue and grease up your thrill glands with its gooey goodness I think the point you make at the end really carries.

Prog 335 is just the start and those stories are with use for the rest of 1983 (pretty much) and then we get a slightly different type of thrill gush that's almost as good!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 12 June, 2018, 09:26:56 AM
Great episode (as always), but Z-cars is pronounced Zed-cars, not Zee cars!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 June, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 12 June, 2018, 09:26:56 AM
Great episode (as always), but Z-cars is pronounced Zed-cars, not Zee cars!


In the same way that i'd say Poppy Zee Brite, even though I'd usually say Zed (though Zed is a character in Pulp Fiction - how does that work?)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 12 June, 2018, 12:53:40 PM
Langwidge iz grate.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 12 June, 2018, 01:16:00 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 12 June, 2018, 09:26:56 AM
Great episode (as always), but Z-cars is pronounced Zed-cars, not Zee cars!

According to Brian Blessed, it's pronounced Z-fucking-Cars. He played a character called Fancy-fucking-Smith.

https://youtu.be/ZH4cWoetw4s?t=5m8s


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 June, 2018, 08:08:47 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 12 June, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
In the same way that i'd say Poppy Zee Brite, even though I'd usually say Zed (though Zed is a character in Pulp Fiction - how does that work?)

The "Z as Zed" thing is something that I know I'll never remember. I just didn't learn it that way, you know? The Zed in Pulp Fiction might be a Zedekiah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zedekiah), sometimes people get weird biblical names and shorten them down like that, for instance Jeb being Jedidiah or whatever. I don't think the character was just named "Z" but I could also be totally wrong! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Richard on 12 June, 2018, 11:22:24 PM
"Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead."
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 June, 2018, 12:56:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/nDPFJDK.jpg)

In the second part of our thrilling hundred and third episode, Conrad continues the conversation with Steven Green. He's the co-director of Search/Destroy, the Strontium Dog fan film, the cinematographer of Judge Minty, the Judge Dredd fan film, and visual effects artist for the recent Rogue Trooper: The Quartz Massacre fan film! We talk about his history with movies and 2000AD films in particular. I hope you enjoy it! If you'd like to be on a Sci Special or Annual episode, please contact the show!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 14 June, 2018, 01:49:08 PM
Thanks for having us on!

I apologise for the many y'knows in advance.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 June, 2018, 05:35:09 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/jx9f2J0.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 338-341 of 2000AD, covering October and November of 1983. Join us as Dredd finishes the graveyard shift, we learn the truth about Venus Bluegenes, we'll meet a bunch of characters including Sláine's Dad, a futuristic necromancer in Strontium Dog, and an old friend in Nemesis the Warlock. BIG JOBS!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 18 June, 2018, 09:40:55 PM
"Once Rogue leaves, Venus just tosses Helm off".... :o

The Moses Incident is probably my favourite Stront tale - as you rightly identify, Stront and the fantastic somehow fit at least as much as Stront and Western.  Remind me to pitch the Malak Brood Origin story to Dogbreath!

Add to that peak Nemesis, Graveyard Shift, and God damn Slaine....

Wouldnt have put Uptown Girl so early in the 80s!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 June, 2018, 10:14:40 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 18 June, 2018, 09:40:55 PM
"Once Rogue leaves, Venus just tosses Helm off".... :o

Yeah I'm still sniggering over that one!  :lol:

reminds me of the old Rodney Marsh anecdote (https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/14111-funny-anecdotes/)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 June, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
QuoteGone to space wizard, IOU one child corpse
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2018, 03:09:13 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 19 June, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
QuoteGone to space wizard, IOU one child corpse

That's Fox's favorite!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 June, 2018, 12:59:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7qHl3vc.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 342-345 of 2000AD, covering November and December of 1983. This week Johnny Alpha fights a necromancer, Dredd heads to a rumble, Slaine does the bull dance, and it's time for more BIG JOBS!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 25 June, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
Post 'Eye of the Traitor', it increasingly looks like Rogue Trooper has forgotten about the Main Quest and has become determined to finish all the Side Missions, even the stupid ones and the weird off kilter dream sequence one.  He even dodges out of an NPC trying to railroad him back into hunting for the Traitor at one point...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 June, 2018, 04:34:01 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 25 June, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
Post 'Eye of the Traitor', it increasingly looks like Rogue Trooper has forgotten about the Main Quest and has become determined to finish all the Side Missions, even the stupid ones and the weird off kilter dream sequence one.  He even dodges out of an NPC trying to railroad him back into hunting for the Traitor at one point...

That is an amazing analogy! It's so true too, like "hey let's so this optional quest to gain telekinesis powers!" "let's finish off the major magnam questline" and stuff. They know once they have the final showdown Rogue is in trouble!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 25 June, 2018, 04:45:50 PM
Shame the Fr1day DLC pack never took off.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 25 June, 2018, 04:53:10 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 25 June, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
Post 'Eye of the Traitor', it increasingly looks like Rogue Trooper has forgotten about the Main Quest and has become determined to finish all the Side Missions, even the stupid ones and the weird off kilter dream sequence one.  He even dodges out of an NPC trying to railroad him back into hunting for the Traitor at one point...

:lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 June, 2018, 12:19:21 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 25 June, 2018, 04:45:50 PM
Shame the Fr1day DLC pack never took off.

It had a promising start but later expansions failed to live up to expectations ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 26 June, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
The Moses Incident is probably my favourite Stront story ever, so glad Conrad called that as his top after the disappointment of Fox dropping it behind Rogue and those darned killer dames! Honestly, its now Sister Sledge, the Scan Sector Dancing Queen, Venus and now bubble girl as bad uns... it is worse than the casual comedy racism for me as a "hard to justify to modern eyes" flaw of those early progs.

And not just to knock to opposition: In Stront's favour, here is an excerpt from my Dogbreath review of TMI:

What is particularly well pitched is the balance between a mature and introspective tale of consequence, all out action set pieces, humour and intrigue. Malak Brood's chillingly calculated manipulation of Alpha's guilt drives the tale to its perfect conclusion. 

Yet despite the deeper than usual themes, nothing feels forced, preachy or overly maudlin.  Wagner and Grants true talent has been in how they make this mix look so effortless – there's no showboating here.  So many lesser writers would signpost how clever and mature they were in their use of the themes this story touches upon, but Wagner and Grant's light touch and keen eye for rollicking adventure mean that their more subtler talent for characterisation often goes unsung
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Greg M. on 26 June, 2018, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 26 June, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
Honestly, its now Sister Sledge, the Scan Sector Dancing Queen, Venus and now bubble girl as bad uns... it is worse than the casual comedy racism for me as a "hard to justify to modern eyes" flaw of those early progs.

In a comic aimed at young boys, the 'Ugh! Girls!" aspect of Rogue Trooper is more akin to Calvin's G.R.O.S.S. club than anything. I've long found it amusing how much the bio-chips echo the playground attitudes of the prog's then-contemporary readers: "Stop being all mushy and hanging out with girls, Rogue! Get back to shooting people!"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 26 June, 2018, 07:02:58 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 26 June, 2018, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 26 June, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
Honestly, its now Sister Sledge, the Scan Sector Dancing Queen, Venus and now bubble girl as bad uns... it is worse than the casual comedy racism for me as a "hard to justify to modern eyes" flaw of those early progs.

In a comic aimed at young boys, the 'Ugh! Girls!" aspect of Rogue Trooper is more akin to Calvin's G.R.O.S.S. club than anything. I've long found it amusing how much the bio-chips echo the playground attitudes of the prog's then-contemporary readers: "Stop being all mushy and hanging out with girls, Rogue! Get back to shooting people!"

You could read that as a reflection of the GI's training and development - they've been designed, built and trained to be organic killing machines, but otherwise have the emotional maturity of children.

I don't think Rogue Trooper was ever that deep, though, and that would make Venus Bluegenes' status in Millicom Memories even more disturbing (the visiting officers appear to be using the Dolls as little more than comfort girls, after all).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 26 June, 2018, 07:19:32 PM
you uncultered american swines did not just diss terrahawks  :P the last great gerry anderson puppet show with the goddamn creepiest villian who haunted my nightmares as a kid....well until killing time took zeldas place

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/robotsupremacy/images/6/67/Zelda.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111026232619)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 June, 2018, 07:55:59 PM
The "Y-Bob" thing is a bit weird - it definitely means youth, as in YMCA, but I'm unaware of an other real-life examples of it being used this way - Wagner likes it though as it crops up a few times.

It's a testament to the quality, of the progs around this time that every single strip has been collected - in fact, you could probably spend the first 20 minutes listing all the various re-prints and different editions that they's appeared in.

And yes, Rogue is by far the weakest story in this line-up. The hunt for the Traitor General was okay, but has been spread out far too long, and once he gets him the strip loses focus completely. I was never a huge fan of Rogue - loads of great future war concepts (biochips, chem clouds, bio-wire etc) but, even as a kid, I found the usual narrative of "show up, save some Southers, shoot some Norts and then moodily wander off" to be a bit dull.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 June, 2018, 08:44:47 PM
I've made no secret of my distaste when it comes to Rogue. Always pretty but dumb. I find it endlessly fascinating that in a line-up this good there could be any doubt its the weakest strip.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 June, 2018, 09:59:48 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 June, 2018, 07:19:32 PM
you uncultered american swines did not just diss terrahawks  :P the last great gerry anderson puppet show with the goddamn creepiest villian who haunted my nightmares as a kid....well until killing time took zeldas place

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/robotsupremacy/images/6/67/Zelda.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111026232619)

I feel like we'd actually need more knowledge of Terrahawks to properly diss it! :D

For everyone's Rogue comments, I see the point, but I think Rogue is doing what it sets out to do, just sort of be action-y future war stories. It's certainly the most formulaic of our current thrills, but I think it's still a decent formula at this point.

Quote from: Leigh S on 26 June, 2018, 04:35:14 PM
Honestly, its now Sister Sledge, the Scan Sector Dancing Queen, Venus and now bubble girl as bad uns... it is worse than the casual comedy racism for me as a "hard to justify to modern eyes" flaw of those early progs.

I think this is a fair point and one worth looking at. It's interesting because on Dredd we've got a fair amount of female characters to counter balance the occasional female criminal (Hershey, Anderson, McGruder especially, she seems to show up every other story), but there's nothing like that in Rogue. Definitely something to keep an eye on!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 26 June, 2018, 10:14:00 PM
I'll defend GFD Rogue - it misses a lot of tricks, but it is also unfairly lambasted. Of all the strips I've shown my son Joe, he was very taken with Rogue Trooper, so even now it must be doing something right - Pat Mills would say it confirms his opinion regarding mainstream and "fan" tastes...

I agree that the chips distaste at icky girls is kind of fun, it is mainly the fact they are 100% right about the icky girls I roll my eyes at!

"Gone to see Space Wizard - IOU one child corpse" when you try to explain the story, it can seem kind of odd, or hyperbolic, or just plain hokey, but its the delivery - the scene where Martha Quest hugs her child back to death, the themes of guilt and sin and responsibility... with zombies before zombies were played out! 

And Malak might seema  little unambitious for an all powerful necromancer, but I think that's a strength - he has been literally hampered to bring his power and position down to something Alpha can interact with on a level that has a resonance with Alpha's character
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 26 June, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 June, 2018, 09:59:48 PM
I think Rogue is doing what it sets out to do, just sort of be action-y future war stories. It's certainly the most formulaic of our current thrills, but I think it's still a decent formula at this point.

The reputation of Gerry Finley-Day's Rogue Trooper has suffered because, when read in collected editions, the stories are directionless and bitty.

As weekly showcases for action art and hardware design, each episode was good fun. Go back and read any episode in isolation*; they're great! Just don't treat them as graphic novels.


* The way they were supposed to reach the reader. Rogue Trooper holds up better as a toilet book than any other strip - Gerry Finley-Day can have that for his tombstone, if he likes.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: broodblik on 27 June, 2018, 04:24:24 PM
Quote from: Frank on 26 June, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
As weekly showcases for action art and hardware design, each episode was good fun. Go back and read any episode in isolation*; they're great! Just don't treat them as graphic novels.

Yes this is true when the strip started (as many of teh 70s and 80s strips) but when it was established their is many cases where we have a continues story-line. The purpose of Rogue always was to get the traitor.  Maybe it fizzled after the traitor was out of the picture. I still believe it works as a graphic novel for me even on the toilet
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 July, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 346-349 of 2000AD, covering December of 1983. This week Rogue slips time, Sláine fights a Shoggey Beast, a homunculus is in peril, and Dinos run amok in Mega City One!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 July, 2018, 12:08:03 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and eighth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1983. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1983 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we'll give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1984 from both 2000AD and our show!

Also be sure to check out Fox on episode 70 of Mega City Book Club!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 07 July, 2018, 10:45:01 PM
It's getting difficult to make any comment on this thread other than "you're right - that stuff is all great!".

I sometimes wonder if I like 80s 2000ad (and Tom Baker Dr Who) so much because I was exactly the right age to experience them. But looking back like you guys are, it really was that good!

Thanks again for this hugely enjoyable podcast. So much to look forward to in 1984...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 07 July, 2018, 11:52:33 PM
I'm about 10 podcasts off the pace but getting there...
we've reached Skizz and the prog quality is fantastic (as we know).
Especially liked the various pronunciations of Birmingham, then the realisation that Skizz's Burgy-gam is undermining the effort anyway. Nice!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 July, 2018, 01:06:20 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 350-353 of 2000AD, covering January of 1984. This week Dredd gets pied, Rogue gets covert, and DR and Quinch go straight!

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Also, stay tuned later in the week for the Ant Wars collected episode, and check out Fox talking about it on this week's Mega City Book Club!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 09 July, 2018, 07:25:21 PM
Thanks Conrad and Fox, great stuff as usual. Sad to see Dredd at the bottom of the pile this week but I suppose it is a testament to the quality at that point.

There was a computer game of 'Strontium Dog - The Killing' about the same time the strip was running. It wasn't very good but it was the first 2000ad game. Could there have been some collusion between Wagner/Grant and the software company to come up with a plot that was so suited to being a game?

Strontium Dog, Dredd, Nemesis, Slaine and Rogue Trooper all got games in the 8 bit era. Rogue Trooper seems to be the strip that transfers best to gaming since it is fairly humourless and about a lone soldier in a war. The Rogue Trooper game that came out in the PS2 era and was recently re-done for the Switch is, I think, regarded as the best of all the 2000ad games.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 July, 2018, 07:47:04 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 09 July, 2018, 07:25:21 PM
There was a computer game of 'Strontium Dog - The Killing' about the same time the strip was running. It wasn't very good but it was the first 2000ad game. Could there have been some collusion between Wagner/Grant and the software company to come up with a plot that was so suited to being a game?

Strontium Dog, Dredd, Nemesis, Slaine and Rogue Trooper all got games in the 8 bit era. Rogue Trooper seems to be the strip that transfers best to gaming since it is fairly humourless and about a lone soldier in a war. The Rogue Trooper game that came out in the PS2 era and was recently re-done for the Switch is, I think, regarded as the best of all the 2000ad games.

I had forgotten about this when we recorded, but it's definitely clear by the end of the year, when advertising for the two Strontium Dog games is in every prog! I really want to check these games out, at least watch a let's play or something, to experience these classic games! Though even if it's been done I still maintain that The Killing would make a great format for a modern Fortnite/PUBG style battle royale game :D

The UK based computer game site Rock Paper Shotgun routinely refers to the Rogue Trooper game as "The best 7 out of 10 game of all time. (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/08/04/best-average-action-games-on-pc/)" Which is a certain kind of dubious honor!

I'm just waiting for a Steam sale to pick up the re-released Dredd '95 game, which was a tie in for the movie!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 July, 2018, 05:46:07 AM
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War declared on humanity! It's the thirteenth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections!  These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

Anyhow, I don't want to alarm you, the podcast listener, but there is a giant army of giant ants on their way! They'll eat us all! You don't believe me? Well that's fair I guess. OH NO YOU'VE BEEN EATEN BY A GIANT ANT! You can find this story of South American insect conflict at the 2000AD webstore, or wherever books are sold.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 13 July, 2018, 01:16:18 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 July, 2018, 07:47:04 PM
I had forgotten about this when we recorded, but it's definitely clear by the end of the year, when advertising for the two Strontium Dog games is in every prog! I really want to check these games out, at least watch a let's play or something, to experience these classic games! Though even if it's been done I still maintain that The Killing would make a great format for a modern Fortnite/PUBG style battle royale game :D


Here you go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD3ignxYE8U).  Haven't actually watched the full half-hour clip as I'm just finishing my lunch break so just watched a couple of five second snatches, but prepare to be disappointed!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 13 July, 2018, 01:43:05 PM
Wow, that game really was craptastic!

Interesting in the latest ep you said the final splash page in Slaine was in colour - don't know if this was just a slip of the tongue, but it was definitely B&W in he original prog. Looking forward to revisiting Ant Wars after Fox's appearance on the Mega-City Book club.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 13 July, 2018, 06:43:15 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 July, 2018, 01:43:05 PM
Wow, that game really was craptastic!

Interesting in the latest ep you said the final splash page in Slaine was in colour - don't know if this was just a slip of the tongue, but it was definitely B&W in he original prog. Looking forward to revisiting Ant Wars after Fox's appearance on the Mega-City Book club.

There were two episodes of Glenn Fabry Slaine around the time of Slaine the King where the last page was in colour - one was Glenn's wordless (almost) sequence, the other was after Slaine had become king.  The last page was on the back cover of the prog, so got colourified (the only instance I can remember where a comic page appears on the back cover and isn't coloured is a Cam Kennedy / Rogue Trooper story back in 1983).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 13 July, 2018, 08:39:02 PM
Spent forever trying to get those Stront Games - here is a feature what I wrote about 2000AD games a lifetime ago - The reasons for the Stront games is right up at the start:

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=news&page=features&choice=retrogames


I've always said that the Killing would make an amazing game - now more so than ever - it would be Fortnite with alien powers - solid gold
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 July, 2018, 06:08:13 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and tenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 354-357 of 2000AD, covering February of 1984. This week Sláine takes to the skies, DR and Quinch get drafted, the Killing continues, and we'll get to meet CITIZEN SNORK! Also several songs are sung.

Usually I run a filter over the comic page, but this one is just too awesome!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 16 July, 2018, 07:31:20 PM
A great months prog this week - I ended up having to read on and am now a bit ahead of the podcast. There are some great times ahead for the next 2 or 3 shows at least.

This is the first time I have read those early Slaine strips properly and they are indeed great. As an 10 year old I struggled with the art being less clean than I was used to and I didn't really get into Slaine until the later Time Killer stuff.

The Osmonds were really a 70's pop act and so would have been unknown to many readers (including myself) when the Osmongs appeared in The Killing. I know who they are now and the likeness is pretty funny.

Also, veganism was definately well known in the 1980's. I thought it may have first been popularised in the 1960's but according to Wikipedia the term has been around since 1944.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 July, 2018, 07:50:59 AM
Well again we could get distracted by what a great podcast it was again but there are two far more significent things we need to mention.

1) How the hoopin' heck have we got to Frankie already. Pottering down the road listening to the show I was at first delighted when I heard 'Relax', but then more than a little shocked that you'd made such progress that we'd got to this*!

2) How the f**k are you so young that you had to explain the Osmonds??? Your youth disgusts me... I'm so old...

*Of course if you were being a little more on the ball you'd have played Radio Gaga instead having banned 'Relax' just as the BBC did!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2018, 12:48:45 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 17 July, 2018, 07:50:59 AM
Well again we could get distracted by what a great podcast it was again but there are two far more significent things we need to mention.

1) How the hoopin' heck have we got to Frankie already. Pottering down the road listening to the show I was at first delighted when I heard 'Relax', but then more than a little shocked that you'd made such progress that we'd got to this*!

2) How the f**k are you so young that you had to explain the Osmonds??? Your youth disgusts me... I'm so old...

I'm old enough to remember Frankie in the charts, but not the Osmonds.  Any reference to the seventies group would have gone completely over my head in 1983.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 July, 2018, 09:09:59 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 17 July, 2018, 07:50:59 AM
Well again we could get distracted by what a great podcast it was again but there are two far more significent things we need to mention.

1) How the hoopin' heck have we got to Frankie already. Pottering down the road listening to the show I was at first delighted when I heard 'Relax', but then more than a little shocked that you'd made such progress that we'd got to this*!

2) How the f**k are you so young that you had to explain the Osmonds??? Your youth disgusts me... I'm so old...

*Of course if you were being a little more on the ball you'd have played Radio Gaga instead having banned 'Relax' just as the BBC did!

It's definitely amazing how much music has changed just in the time we've covered the show! I remember the early days when it was all disco and reggae, now it's all this new wave and synthesizer stuff, it's crazy. What a difference eight years make I guess? Also for the record we are still very much in a pre-Fox era, and will be for another year or two of progs.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 21 July, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 13 July, 2018, 08:39:02 PM
Spent forever trying to get those Stront Games - here is a feature what I wrote about 2000AD games a lifetime ago - The reasons for the Stront games is right up at the start:
http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=news&page=features&choice=retrogames

That's a fascinating read .. and I would urge all Spacespinner fans to purchase as many back issues of Dogbreath as they can to read Leigh's excellent ongoing annotations/review of Strontium Dog from the start, including important additions to 'strontinuity' (I love that word  :D) and a regularly updated Cucumber Count.

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 17 July, 2018, 07:50:59 AM
2) How the f**k are you so young that you had to explain the Osmonds??? Your youth disgusts me... I'm so old...

Everything I knew about popular culture in the 70s came from cartoons and comics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5cyJPQuHCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5cyJPQuHCc) (see also The Harlem Globetrotters, Jackson 5, and the Beatles)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 July, 2018, 05:23:43 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and eleventh (ELEVENTY-FIRST) episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 358-361 of 2000AD, covering March of 1984. This week Johnny Alpha finishes Killing, dragons strike in Sláine, Sector House 9 is haunted, and Future Shocks return with a vengeance!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 July, 2018, 12:03:23 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and twelfth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1984 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special has some great stories featuring Judge Dredd and Rogue Trooper, as well as classic thrills from Flesh and Invasion!

This episode Conrad is joined by Stephen Reid of the Everything Comes Back to 2000AD podcast! Every week ECBT covers all kinds of things, including movies, comics, and pop culture, as well as the new progs and megazines because everything comes back to 2000AD!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 July, 2018, 12:04:35 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and thirteenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 362-365 of 2000AD, covering March and April of 1984. This week Johnny Alpha gets outlawed, Slaine heists a dragon, Dredd checks out high society, and DR and Quinch go to Hollywood!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 03 August, 2018, 05:34:03 PM
yup fish supper is indeed our way of saying fish and chips guys it always amused me that opening where they were doing a similar ceremony to the old haggis one but with a fish supper
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 04 August, 2018, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 03 August, 2018, 05:34:03 PM
yup fish supper is indeed our way of saying fish and chips guys it always amused me that opening where they were doing a similar ceremony to the old haggis one but with a fish supper

So many words you just said completely mystify me. Once I'm done with an upcoming summer holiday I need to make my way to England again so I can pretend I know British things.

We're having a ragged summer in Germany but I hear it's even worse there (humidity AND +30 degrees!?) , so waiting for the season to change.

WHY IS THERE NO AIR-CON IN MY HOUSE :C
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 04 August, 2018, 07:53:59 PM
You live in northern Europe, when do we need Air Con... about once ever 10 years or more... well that was the case once anyway...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 04 August, 2018, 08:20:22 PM
Had a bit of respite the past week but the last couple of days it's back with a vengeance, like an unwanted text story.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 04 August, 2018, 09:36:02 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 04 August, 2018, 07:53:59 PM
You live in northern Europe, when do we need Air Con... about once ever 10 years or more... well that was the case once anyway...

This is my first year in Germany and it's treating me like I'm in Cyprus.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 06 August, 2018, 11:52:27 AM
heh you spoiled american and your air cons  :P
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 August, 2018, 12:52:20 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and fourteenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 366-369 of 2000AD, covering March and April of 1984. This week the mutant rebellion reunites, Sláine flies off, DR & Quinch mind the oranges, and Dave the Orangutan runs for mayor!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 August, 2018, 12:23:02 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and fifteenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 370-373 of 2000AD, covering May and June of 1984. This week Judge Dekkar is evaluated, Rogue Trooper hangs out with some Captains, the Strontium Dogs are on the run, and it's time for some dang future shocks!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 August, 2018, 04:34:34 PM
Also as we're taping ahead we're getting close to the end of 1984! I would love to hear people's thoughts on the year, what they liked and so forth, for our year in review show.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 13 August, 2018, 06:57:07 PM
1984: Top Five Thrills

The Ballad Of Halo Jones (376-385)
Script: Alan Moore
Art: Ian Gibson
Letters: Steve Potter

Unique in the comic, for the first time we had a female lead character who lived in a world where the biggest threat was a ... shopping expedition.  A whole other world came to life here, with its own language and bizarre technologies: all beautifully realized by Ian Gibson.  It sounds light, but the threats the characters face are very real.  Subsequent books are also great tales, but they take us to more obvious tropes by degrees until we end up in a war zone: so nothing's quite as fresh as this first book.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ly9gasp.jpg)


Slaine: Sky Chariots (352-360)
Script: Pat Mills
Art: Mike McMahon
Letters: Tom Frame

Arguably the best art to ever grace the prog, McMahon's work here is just astounding: it should be hung in art galleries.  On top of that we have the amazing premise of flying viking ships powered by evil death druids.  Dragonheist is a great story as well (and has great art), but it can't compete with McMahon's work here. There's a powerful argument that this is really the best of Slaine: before he started firing laser guns, or time traveling, or repeating himself (by telling us about the cauldron and the sword and the spear over and over again).

(https://i.imgur.com/Vpem0em.png)


D.R. & Quinch (350-359, 363-367)
Script: Alan Moore
Art: Alan Davis
Letters: Steve Potter

This is the core of D.R. & Quinch, where they variously Go Straight, Go Girl Crazy, Get Drafted and finally Go To Hollywood.  The misadventures of two alien juvenile delinquents ranks easily as the best comedy story ever published in 2000AD and (like the best comedy shows: Fawlty Towers or The Office) left us wanting more.

The most quoted story is probably Go To Hollywood ("Mind the oranges, Marlon!"), but my favorite lines are from the last few frames of Get Drafted, where D.R. is ruminating on life:

"Later, as the mega-palace drifted among the stars, I thought about war and rich people and all the utterly fantastic things that had, like, happened to me ... all at once I understood just why it is that men fight each other.  I suddenly saw the answer to all this senseless violence that afflicts us!  But, like, I didn't write it down or anything ... and, like, y'know how it is - next morning I had totally forgotten what it was, man."

(https://i.imgur.com/kvWW8tW.jpg)


Strontium Dog: The Killing (350-359)
Script: Alan Grant
Art: Carlos Ezquerra
Letters: Jack Potter

This is Battle Royale, but that novel didn't come out until 1999.  It's Durham Red's Night of the Hunters, but that was in 1996.  It's Fortnite, but that's 2017.  The Killing, then, was ahead of its time.  It's up against Outlaw (363-385), but I think this is the tauter story, with a solid premise that doesn't rely on a wide arc for us to make sense of it.  It's got humor, but it's not belabored.  It's definitely the best Strontium Dog story since Portrait of a Mutant.

(https://i.imgur.com/xB1otpW.jpg)


Judge Dredd: The Haunting of Sector House 9 (359-363)
Script: John Wagner & Alan Grant (as T.B. Grover)
Art: Brett Ewins
Letters: Tom Frame

A fantastic premise and just amazing art from Brett Ewins, this turned up in what was otherwise a bit of a low point in Dredd as we'd had a sequence of silly ones (Bob & Carol & Ted & Ringo, Pieromania, Are You Tired of Being Mugged? & Citizen Snork).  It was time for some real threat, and this delivered it gloriously.

(https://i.imgur.com/gLWjCGd.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 August, 2018, 11:42:29 PM
Amazing! Thanks so much!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 14 August, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
This was tricky to do since I haven't just re-read the whole of 1984 like you guys have (I am keeping pace wth the podcast). I have browsed through the future issues and it is very hard to choose as there was a lot of quality this year.

Best story I would like to give to Judge Dredd: A Case For Treatment. (runners up SD: Outlaw or JD: Dredd Angel). I know it is a one off but it has quite an impact.

Best writer goes to Wagner/Grant for a great year of Stronium Dog and Dredd.

Best art goes to Alan Davis for DR & Quinch.

I can't really pick a best month having not read the whole year again properly yet.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 August, 2018, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 14 August, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
Best story I would like to give to Judge Dredd: A Case For Treatment. (runners up SD: Outlaw or JD: Dredd Angel). I know it is a one off but it has quite an impact.

Case for Treatment and the stories before it (Question of Judgement and Error of Judgement) are really important Dredd stories, even though they're mostly just talking instead of action. The idea that Dredd would ever question his judgement, and his place in the world, is really interesting. We'll talk about it a lot on the show, but those thrills really shook me!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 14 August, 2018, 10:09:02 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 August, 2018, 06:59:04 PM
Case for Treatment and the stories before it (Question of Judgement and Error of Judgement) are really important Dredd stories, even though they're mostly just talking instead of action. The idea that Dredd would ever question his judgement, and his place in the world, is really interesting. We'll talk about it a lot on the show, but those thrills really shook me!

Reading about [spoiler][various stories from progs 650-700, you know the ones I'm talking about][/spoiler] is what got me interested in Dredd and 2000 AD back in 2013 (holy crap I just realised I've been here five years) and those stories from progs 387-389 are the start of a lot of those plot threads, so I'm really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on them.

Like WhizzBang I'm reading along with the podcasts, and (aside from Dredd, Nemesis and Halo Jones) it's all new to me, so I can't really offer any nominations. That said, I'll be astonished if anything tops McMahon's work on Sky Chariots.

I'd also like to nominate Rogue Trooper (progs 359-361) for a Special Award for Most Memorable Sound Effects:

WHEEEEN, WHUMPAA, HOPPA HOPPA HOPPA, HOPPA HOPPA, HOPPA HOPPA HOPPA HOP HOPPA
HOPPAHOPPAHOPPA, HOPPAHOPPAHOPPA, BOMPAA, WHOMMMPA, PTIING
BLAM, HOPPA HOPPA HOPPAPPA, BUDDA BUDDA BUDDA, BOOMFA
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 16 August, 2018, 09:01:57 AM
My Spinnies nominations for 1984:

It's really tempting to go with Halo Jones because of what that strip will become, but the first book on its own is still a bit weird and a culture shock that left many of us puzzled at the time.

So instead I'm going to pick another Alan Moore series that reached its pinnacle in 1984 with the Towering Citrus Inferno of "Mind the oranges, Marlon!"

Top thrill: DR & Quinch go to Hollywood.

[Silver medal to Slaine:Sky Chariots for Mick McMahon at the height of his pencil powers.]

Top Writer: Alan Moore

Top Artist: Alan Davis

Top month: April 1984

What a year. And congratulations to Fox and Conrad for keeping on keeping on with the thrilling prog slog.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 16 August, 2018, 11:18:31 AM
An interview with John Wagner reveals that everything written in this period credited to either TB Grover or Alan Grant was written by the pair of them together and whoever did the typing got their name on the Credit Card box.

Nobody on the production side of things ever seems to say anything nice about Kim Raymond - I get the impression he was either very slow or prone to missing deadlines, which might explain why they had to reprint Mutie the Pig and Superbowl takes place before Portrait of a Politician even though it appears afterwards.

Anyway, here are the nominations for the 1984 Spinnies from Frag End...

Top Thrill: Strontium Dog - The Killing

Top Script Droid: Alan Moore

Top Art Droid:  Brett Ewins

Top Month: August 1984 because there'd been no prog for five weeks and my ten year old self thought it was gone for good.

Best SFX:  SPATTATTAAA! CHIKA-CHIKA-CHIKA-CHIKA-CHIKA- Judge Dredd - Tarantula, 1985 Judge Dredd Annual
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 August, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and sixteenth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1985 Judge Dredd Annual. This is the fifth Dredd Annual, and once again we have Carlos Ezquerra drawing three new full color Dredd stories, as well as classic Dredd, some features, and more ghost punching by Judge Anderson.

This episode Conrad is joined by Peter Adamson of the Beyond the Soda and Where Eagles Dare podcast! Where Eagles Dare recaps the Eagle comic from the 1980s! If you like our show you'll love Where Eagles Dare!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 17 August, 2018, 04:31:25 PM
1984 is a few years before my time as a weekly Prog reader, but I read a fair chunk of these strips in my early days when they turned up in the greatest reprint comic of all time, 'The Best of 2000AD monthly'! I was always curious why they reprinted stuff that seemed quite recent, and almost never included stuff from the first 200 progs - now I know it's because the thrills from 1984 were just better!

Top art: Brett Ewins for Sector House 9
Top story: Wagner & Grant for the Killing
Top overall thrill: Nemesis book IV (and I love the detail that episode 1 of this book was, apparently, originally crafted as the actual episode 1 of the whole Nemesis saga. That's so crazy and weird! It's like he's an alien who looks like the devil dressed as a Victorian gent with a robot valet on a steampunk planet and the villain is a weird tentacly demon ghost I don't even understand but I LOVE IT)
Top month: October - Nemesis begins, but also Rogue reaches a milestone, Ace Garp is a ton of fun, and Dredd kickstarts this long-running saga of doubt, also allowing Rob Smith to draw the single best 'irritating pencil-pusher gets punched in the kisser' panel. Yeah, Brian Bolland, it's better than 'gaze into the fist of Dredd', I said it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 August, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and seventeenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 374-377 of 2000AD, covering June, July, and August of 1984. This week Johnny Alpha gets Scottish, Dredd deals with some wreckers, Rogue deals with a coup, and Halo Jones goes out!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 August, 2018, 05:06:34 PM
Also I want to thank everyone for their Spinnies responses!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 22 August, 2018, 06:26:29 PM
Great episode - curiously, I have no memory of the strike!  Given I can recall the horro of missing out on prog 228 due to a holiday and stupid newsagent thinking I had given up on my 7 months long order, that seems very odd...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 22 August, 2018, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 22 August, 2018, 06:26:29 PM
Great episode - curiously, I have no memory of the strike!  Given I can recall the horro of missing out on prog 228 due to a holiday and stupid newsagent thinking I had given up on my 7 months long order, that seems very odd...


Hope you managed to get a copy in the end - so, there's this new character called Rogue Trooper, right?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 22 August, 2018, 09:35:07 PM
At least there wasn't the end of a really gripping Dredd classic in there or anything.....   >:(

Quote from: sheridan on 22 August, 2018, 06:46:30 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 22 August, 2018, 06:26:29 PM
Great episode - curiously, I have no memory of the strike!  Given I can recall the horro of missing out on prog 228 due to a holiday and stupid newsagent thinking I had given up on my 7 months long order, that seems very odd...


Hope you managed to get a copy in the end - so, there's this new character called Rogue Trooper, right?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 August, 2018, 06:19:46 PM
I love the way the energy dropped - in a good way - as soon as you started to discuss Halo Jones and both of you got quieter and more reflective. Just goes to show what an impact that series can have!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 August, 2018, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 24 August, 2018, 06:19:46 PM
I love the way the energy dropped - in a good way - as soon as you started to discuss Halo Jones and both of you got quieter and more reflective. Just goes to show what an impact that series can have!

Certainly more of that to come as Halo Jones gets more serious!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 August, 2018, 11:53:32 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and eighteenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 378-382 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1984. This week Halo Jones goes shopping, Dredd and Mean are on a mission, Johnny Alpha is in trouble, and Ace Garp breaks out!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 27 August, 2018, 12:06:50 PM
I wish I'd appreciated that Halo Jones cliffhanger at the time - I was still decidedly nonplussed by the whole thing when I was 10.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 September, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and nineteenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 383-386 of 2000AD, covering September and October of 1984. This week Halo Jones goes out for real, Dredd heads for the sewers, Johnny Alpha settles things with his dad, and Major Magnam returns, as do the Dictators of Zrag!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 03 September, 2018, 02:47:17 PM
I've read Halo Jones multiple times, I've reviewed it twice on my podcast, and I still got new insights from the Conrad Fox double act.
Great stuff.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 September, 2018, 03:01:34 PM
On the subject of Johnny's torture at the hands of his dad - do we reckon that Kreelman is implanting specific imagery and visions, or is he just pumping him full of drugs and allowing Johnny's subconscious to fill in the details? Either way, that 'bondage daddy' vision says a LOT about one of them!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 September, 2018, 04:10:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 03 September, 2018, 02:47:17 PM
I've read Halo Jones multiple times, I've reviewed it twice on my podcast, and I still got new insights from the Conrad Fox double act.
Great stuff.

Thanks! That means a lot. There's more tBoHJ talk coming up in the Spinnies for 1984, and of course when book two starts in early 85.

Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 September, 2018, 03:01:34 PM
On the subject of Johnny's torture at the hands of his dad - do we reckon that Kreelman is implanting specific imagery and visions, or is he just pumping him full of drugs and allowing Johnny's subconscious to fill in the details? Either way, that 'bondage daddy' vision says a LOT about one of them!

I'm pretty sure Kreelman is choosing them, because when the situation starts he knows that Johnny is being attacked by rats. I guess it makes sense, since Kreelman is literally torturing Johnny, but the clothing choice is indeed concerning!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 04 September, 2018, 06:07:43 PM
Rogue Trooper never finished the side missions (he's completely forgotten about the Bagman's damaged chip arc, and Colonel Kovert was last seen swearing to get his revenge*), but the game has clearly had enough of Rogue ignoring all the clues he's supposed to be following** and has just literally dropped the end game directly on his head.  You just know he's heading for the Worst Ending.  The Big Bad's going to get killed in a cutscene if he's not careful...

*He was never seen or mentioned again.

**Most recently, the bodylooter in Just Routine, who said he knew something about the Traitor - did Rogue try to find his ship, or his base, or try to make contact with any of his acquaintances...? Nope, he just wanders off.

***There is no third footnote.  Move along!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 04 September, 2018, 07:47:58 PM
 :lol: I adore your Rogue/game analogies.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 September, 2018, 09:21:25 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 September, 2018, 04:10:07 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 03 September, 2018, 02:47:17 PM
I've read Halo Jones multiple times, I've reviewed it twice on my podcast, and I still got new insights from the Conrad Fox double act.
Great stuff.

Thanks! That means a lot. There's more tBoHJ talk coming up in the Spinnies for 1984, and of course when book two starts in early 85.

Pretty sure this week's cover was my Grail Page on Eamonn's podcast...

Really looking forward to hearing the new insights now, which I'll do the moment I've posted this :-)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 September, 2018, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 04 September, 2018, 06:07:43 PM
Rogue Trooper never finished the side missions (he's completely forgotten about the Bagman's damaged chip arc, and Colonel Kovert was last seen swearing to get his revenge*), but the game has clearly had enough of Rogue ignoring all the clues he's supposed to be following** and has just literally dropped the end game directly on his head.  You just know he's heading for the Worst Ending.  The Big Bad's going to get killed in a cutscene if he's not careful...

*He was never seen or mentioned again.

**Most recently, the bodylooter in Just Routine, who said he knew something about the Traitor - did Rogue try to find his ship, or his base, or try to make contact with any of his acquaintances...? Nope, he just wanders off.

***There is no third footnote.  Move along!

Oh man, that's true. He'll never get the platinum trophy at this rate! I must agree, this is a top quality metaphor!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 September, 2018, 12:02:39 PM
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In our thrilling hundred twentieth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1985 2000AD Annual. This is the eighth 2000AD annual and we're seeing a great combination of new stories and classic thrills in these pages.

This episode Conrad is joined by one of our own 2000AD Forums member and Liverpool supporter Colin YNWA!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 September, 2018, 12:57:18 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 September, 2018, 12:02:39 PM
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In our thrilling hundred twentieth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1985 2000AD Annual. This is the eighth 2000AD annual and we're seeing a great combination of new stories and classic thrills in these pages.

This episode Conrad is joined by one of our own 2000AD Forums member and Liverpool supporter Colin YNWA!

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My first annual, looking forward to listening to that tonight.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 06 September, 2018, 01:31:12 PM
I'm sorry
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 06 September, 2018, 01:50:54 PM
Gasp!  All this time... I've been reading Colin YNWA as Colin YMCA and never noticed!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Bolt-01 on 06 September, 2018, 02:20:22 PM
sigh... Young man!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 September, 2018, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 06 September, 2018, 01:31:12 PM
I'm sorry

Thanks for coming on the show! I thought it turned out pretty well!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 06 September, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01
link=topic=44366.msg991191#msg991191
date=1536240022

sigh... Young man!

There's no need to feel down...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 06 September, 2018, 09:04:20 PM
The McMahon Slaine art was used as the cover of the mockup of "ZARJAZ", the aborted 2000AD more adult spin off  - Pat Mills talks about it in the preview of "Kiss My Axe" being shown off at a comics convention I think, which pissd him off as ir was being bandied about before the strip had debuted....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 06 September, 2018, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 06 September, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 06 September, 2018, 02:20:22 PM
sigh... Young man!

There's no need to feel down...

I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 September, 2018, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 06 September, 2018, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 06 September, 2018, 02:39:15 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 06 September, 2018, 02:20:22 PM
sigh... Young man!

There's no need to feel down...

I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground

For more information on this please see our 29th episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 September, 2018, 11:19:15 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and twenty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 387-390 of 2000AD, covering October and November of 1984. This week we're starting all new stories, as Dredd questions his judgement, Ace trucking goes on strike, the helltrekk begins, and Nemesis visits the Gothic Empire!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 10 September, 2018, 01:07:39 PM
Tim Sell is an illustrator rather than a comics artist - you may remember him from the Fighting Fantasy series, particularly the murder spree epic, Forest of Doom.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 September, 2018, 01:36:16 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 10 September, 2018, 01:07:39 PM
Tim Sell is an illustrator rather than a comics artist - you may remember him from the Fighting Fantasy series, particularly the murder spree epic, Forest of Doom.

Aren't they all murder sprees?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 10 September, 2018, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 10 September, 2018, 01:07:39 PM
the murder spree epic, Forest of Doom.

When I first got into D&D, it was the old Basic Set from 1981, and it came with a bundled adventure module: B2 - The Keep on the Borderlands.

The basic story was that you get tooled up in the Keep and then go to this terraced wilderness area that housed a whole bunch of humanoid creatures: kobolds, goblins, bugbears, orcs and so on.  These guys were all living peacefully in their various tunnels, and the module even listed the amount of non-combatants in each location.  There was no story about them causing any harm to anyone.

Then you systematically murder them all and steal their treasures.  So, like, Genocide on the Borderlands.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 September, 2018, 11:29:54 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 10 September, 2018, 10:27:47 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 10 September, 2018, 01:07:39 PM
the murder spree epic, Forest of Doom.

When I first got into D&D, it was the old Basic Set from 1981, and it came with a bundled adventure module: B2 - The Keep on the Borderlands.

The basic story was that you get tooled up in the Keep and then go to this terraced wilderness area that housed a whole bunch of humanoid creatures: kobolds, goblins, bugbears, orcs and so on.  These guys were all living peacefully in their various tunnels, and the module even listed the amount of non-combatants in each location.  There was no story about them causing any harm to anyone.

Then you systematically murder them all and steal their treasures.  So, like, Genocide on the Borderlands.

Dude, the clue was in the name - nothing good ever came out of the Caves of Chaos (though our version had loads of pit ponies which I freed).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 11 September, 2018, 05:56:12 PM
Dare you doubt Tharg's explanations puny Earthlets!!!

To my eye the art has that oily inks look (and letratone!) that the earlier O'Neill has, though he appears to have redrawn some panels  - the soul sucking on the restaurant manager being the most obvious.

As for the strip swinging insanely and unexpectedly from Killer Watt.... well it is Pat Mills - you'll get ued to it!  :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 11 September, 2018, 10:49:52 PM
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Quote from: Leigh S on 11 September, 2018, 05:56:12 PM
Dare you doubt Tharg's explanations puny Earthlets!!!

To my eye the art has that oily inks look (and letratone!) that the earlier O'Neill has, though he appears to have redrawn some panels  - the soul sucking on the restaurant manager being the most obvious.

As for the strip swinging insanely and unexpectedly from Killer Watt.... well it is Pat Mills - you'll get ued to it!  :D

Agreed, there's no doubt in my mind that the first two episodes of Book IV were drawn between Killer Watt and Book I.  Not noticed if there's any evidence of re-touching (or bodging, even) by O'Neill, but I'll have to look out for it next time I read it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 September, 2018, 05:27:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/3wRdiMA.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 391-394 of 2000AD, covering November and December of 1984. This week Hammerstein returns as Nemesis goes undercover, Dredd and Anderson head to the future, it's worm time for Ace trucking, The stainless steel rat returns, and Rogue trooper gets his man! Also Fox and Conrad fight a mighty battle against Conrad's terrible internet connection, with mixed results.

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 17 September, 2018, 10:56:14 PM
For Conrad and anyone else baffled by Fox's reference at 25:20...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWTL5pKYofY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWTL5pKYofY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmd1qMN5Yo0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmd1qMN5Yo0)

Can't say I'm as affected by Helltrekkers as you guys - the cast are dispatched so rapidly I haven't had a chance to grow attached to any of them. That said, if Crustacia gets boiled alive I'll be super sad about it. And I'm looking forward to Quint inevitably going out like Robert Shaw.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 September, 2018, 11:22:24 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 September, 2018, 05:27:20 AM
Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Do you still have plans for Collections?  It seems quite a while since Ant Wars!  My vote is for Comic Rock, Nemesis Book I, Nemesis Book II, Nemesis Book III, Nemesis Book IV: The Gothic Empire (not that you've got to the end of that yet).  Do you detect a theme?

By the way - people in the UK who eat lunch in the middle of the day will eat dinner in the evening.  People who eat dinner in the middle of the day eat tea (as well as drinking tea) in the evening.  Everybody has supper.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 September, 2018, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 17 September, 2018, 10:56:14 PM
For Conrad and anyone else baffled by Fox's reference at 25:20...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWTL5pKYofY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWTL5pKYofY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmd1qMN5Yo0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmd1qMN5Yo0)

Can't say I'm as affected by Helltrekkers as you guys - the cast are dispatched so rapidly I haven't had a chance to grow attached to any of them. That said, if Crustacia gets boiled alive I'll be super sad about it. And I'm looking forward to Quint inevitably going out like Robert Shaw.

I hear you about helltrekkers! For me the depression sets in a little later, once we get to the black scap, then the shootout at the fort, THEN the other stuff. It's a ridiculous build.

Quote from: sheridan on 17 September, 2018, 11:22:24 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 September, 2018, 05:27:20 AM
Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Do you still have plans for Collections?  It seems quite a while since Ant Wars!  My vote is for Comic Rock, Nemesis Book I, Nemesis Book II, Nemesis Book III, Nemesis Book IV: The Gothic Empire (not that you've got to the end of that yet).  Do you detect a theme?

By the way - people in the UK who eat lunch in the middle of the day will eat dinner in the evening.  People who eat dinner in the middle of the day eat tea (as well as drinking tea) in the evening.  Everybody has supper.

I've got tons of PLANS for collections, sadly those plans have had difficulties once they come into contact with all the other factors in my life :( I'm hoping to get to some soon. As for Nemesis, right now my plan is to eventually collect it according to the Complete Nemesis the Warlock editions, so it'll qualify once we finish the Gothic Empire story. Sorry for the delay with the collections, they're a fair amount of work!

Is tea a different evening meal than supper? I must say I usually imagine it being consumed in the morning or mid-day, not at night. That's a terrifying new wrinkle!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 September, 2018, 10:36:11 PM
People in the South (and posh people) have breakfast lunch and dinner. Tea (often called 'afternoon tea') is a light snack of tea and cake around 4pm.

Northerners however, have breakfast, dinner and tea - we're too poor/busy for an extra meal in between.

Oddly however, school food-servers are always called 'dinnerladies' - I've never heard any brit say lunch-lady (as in the Simpson's lunch-lady Doris)

'supper' is a minefield of class politics - for me as a kid, it meant a snack before bedtime, but posh people use it to mean a less formal evening meal - David Cameron was widely mocked for pretending to be less posh than he really is by talking about his "kitchen suppers" (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/10344653/Jolly-kitchen-suppers-arent-as-casual-as-youd-think.html)

I was surprised you seemed to get the 'meals on wheels' pun - meals on wheels is a longstanding social care service for senior citizens - the local council would provide a daily hot meal, delivered to the door of elderly people. Don't know if it still exists, I doubt it has survived austerity cuts.

Helltrekkers didn't depress me at all - it's like any disaster or slasher movie - you know that virtually everyone you meet at the beginning is about to die horribly, but it's fun seeing how they do it.

Never having even heard of Hill Street Blues really did make me feel old!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 September, 2018, 11:18:43 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 September, 2018, 09:49:21 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 September, 2018, 11:22:24 PM
Do you still have plans for Collections?  It seems quite a while since Ant Wars!  My vote is for Comic Rock, Nemesis Book I, Nemesis Book II, Nemesis Book III, Nemesis Book IV: The Gothic Empire (not that you've got to the end of that yet).  Do you detect a theme?

By the way - people in the UK who eat lunch in the middle of the day will eat dinner in the evening.  People who eat dinner in the middle of the day eat tea (as well as drinking tea) in the evening.  Everybody has supper.

I've got tons of PLANS for collections, sadly those plans have had difficulties once they come into contact with all the other factors in my life :( I'm hoping to get to some soon.

Er, yes - my prog slog blog has been on pause for a year or two now - things should be a bit more settled now, so I'll get back in to it.  Soon.

QuoteAs for Nemesis, right now my plan is to eventually collect it according to the Complete Nemesis the Warlock editions, so it'll qualify once we finish the Gothic Empire story. Sorry for the delay with the collections, they're a fair amount of work!

No worries, I managed to wait however-long-it-was between Deathbringer and Hammer of Warlocks Final Conflict.

QuoteIs tea a different evening meal than supper? I must say I usually imagine it being consumed in the morning or mid-day, not at night. That's a terrifying new wrinkle!

There's High Tea - that's a meal you'd have in posh hotels involving sandwiches and scones (plus actual drinks of tea).  I've moved around the country a bit, so my vocabulary might be a bit of a confusing mix of Southern, Midlands and Northern.  If I was eating all through the day my meal-times would consist of the following:
Hmm, I'm missing out the mystical power of Seven, as taught to us by Deadlock and Uncle Pat.  Must slot in another meal somewhere.  Midnight feast, maybe?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 18 September, 2018, 11:21:59 PM
Growing up it was breakfast, dinnertime, teatime.

Now it's breakfast, lunch, and god knows what...

I think the concept of working for a living, sometimes at home, sometimes on the way home has scuppered my concept of what an evening meal is called.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 18 September, 2018, 11:40:28 PM
Supper is alien to me as a barely even working class Brummie - I would imagine we used "tea" and "dinner" interchangeably. - mid day would be either a "dinner" (because you had a school dinner), but going home for food rather than eating with the rest meant I always thought of it as "lunch", because it was eaten during the lunchbreak.... not sure where this puts me in the scale of these things!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 19 September, 2018, 12:58:42 AM
I hope that's clear now  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 01:58:38 AM
When I wert lad, we had breakfast at home, lunch at school (during the dinner break, served by dinner ladies, who weren't posh), tea at home, and any other food we ate was a snack.

Brunch, high tea and supper were mythical meals provided to posh people.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 September, 2018, 06:23:47 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 01:58:38 AM
When I wert lad, we had breakfast at home, lunch at school (during the dinner break, served by dinner ladies, who weren't posh), tea at home, and any other food we ate was a snack.

Brunch, high tea and supper were mythical meals provided to posh people.

This is a solid summary.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: TordelBack on 19 September, 2018, 08:10:04 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 September, 2018, 06:23:47 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 01:58:38 AM
When I wert lad, we had breakfast at home, lunch at school (during the dinner break, served by dinner ladies, who weren't posh), tea at home, and any other food we ate was a snack.

Brunch, high tea and supper were mythical meals provided to posh people.

This is a solid summary.

For me too,  in Dublin. The only supper I was aware of was fish'n'chips consumed by Alf Tupper on the way to a big race (probably involving hurdles),  and brunch was something invented by Enid Blyton. Dinner was something you ate on Christmas Day, or more generally something involving a roasted bird. I was pretty shocked to learn that down the country they ate dinner every day at lunchtime,  and my failure to do so made me irretrievably posh
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 19 September, 2018, 09:07:41 AM
Ten posts explaining our geographical confusion about what to call our evening meal.  :lol:
Ah the joys of living in the British Isles.
I'm looking forward to the episode about how we pronounce the word Scone.

:P
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 19 September, 2018, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 18 September, 2018, 11:18:43 PM
Hmm, I'm missing out the mystical power of Seven, as taught to us by Deadlock and Uncle Pat.  Must slot in another meal somewhere.  Midnight feast, maybe?

Elevenses?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 19 September, 2018, 12:32:02 PM

How could you forget tiffin? Tiffin is an Indian English word for a type of meal. It can refer to the midday luncheon or, in some regions of the Indian subcontinent, a between meal snack , or in South Indian usage, a light breakfast. When used in place of the word "lunch", it does not necessarily mean a light meal.

(Wikipedia)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 19 September, 2018, 01:03:13 PM
America has its public holidays, we have unnecessary meals.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 19 September, 2018, 01:09:12 PM

And, of course, oop north, we call work breaks 'baggin'.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 19 September, 2018, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 19 September, 2018, 01:09:12 PM

And, of course, oop north, we call work breaks 'baggin'.

errrm - do we? As a Lancastrian who didn't move further than Manchester, I can safely say I have never heard this. (must be a West Lancashire thing  :))
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 September, 2018, 02:29:51 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 19 September, 2018, 09:07:41 AM
Ten posts explaining our geographical confusion about what to call our evening meal.  :lol:
Ah the joys of living in the British Isles.
I'm looking forward to the episode about how we pronounce the word Scone.

:P


Nobody tell the 'mericans how to pronounce it - I want to hear what they call it untainted by our opinions!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 September, 2018, 02:30:35 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 01:58:38 AM
When I wert lad, we had breakfast at home, lunch at school (during the dinner break, served by dinner ladies, who weren't posh), tea at home, and any other food we ate was a snack.

Brunch, high tea and supper were mythical meals provided to posh people.


When I were a lad we had one meal a week, and count meself lucky :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 19 September, 2018, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 19 September, 2018, 02:12:45 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 19 September, 2018, 01:09:12 PM

And, of course, oop north, we call work breaks 'baggin'.

errrm - do we? As a Lancastrian who didn't move further than Manchester, I can safely say I have never heard this. (must be a West Lancashire thing  :))

Maybe it's a really local village thing. I believe it derives from farm workers taking butties and other snap with them into the fields in a bag so they didn't have to walk back to the farmhouse for some scran. Whatever, the call "baggin time" is always a welcome one!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 06:56:25 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 19 September, 2018, 08:10:04 AM
The only supper I was aware of was fish'n'chips

I'd forgotten about chip shop suppers.  That means that this sentence makes sense: "It's nearly tea-time and I don't know what to make for dinner: let's just go to the chip shop and have a fish supper."

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On a completely unrelated topic, I remember enjoying the early Rogue Trooper series (up to where Space Spinner is right now) much more than Conrad or Fox seem to.  I really enjoyed the art: Cam Kennedy's hoppers are my favorite, the tech (giant tanks and Nort glider troops) and the weird idea of a world at war consumed by chem clouds.  This may be the hazy rose-tinted spectacles of a youth long gone, and today I might not dig it so much, but my memories of the series are generally positive.

(Now, Horst, on the other hand...)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 19 September, 2018, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 06:56:25 PM
I remember enjoying the early Rogue Trooper series (up to where Space Spinner is right now) much more than Conrad or Fox seem to

They're reading a bunch of progs at a time.

I enjoy any individual episode of original Rogue Trooper - the art's usually great, the action's exciting, and the ideas and characters are memorable - but reading an entire series (certainly the longer series) in one go usually turns into a chore.

I wasn't reading at that time, but I'm pretty sure they'd have read just fine on a weekly basis, which is what they were meant to do.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 September, 2018, 08:35:22 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 06:56:25 PM
On a completely unrelated topic, I remember enjoying the early Rogue Trooper series (up to where Space Spinner is right now) much more than Conrad or Fox seem to.  I really enjoyed the art: Cam Kennedy's hoppers are my favorite, the tech (giant tanks and Nort glider troops) and the weird idea of a world at war consumed by chem clouds.  This may be the hazy rose-tinted spectacles of a youth long gone, and today I might not dig it so much, but my memories of the series are generally positive.

(Now, Horst, on the other hand...)

Yes to both of those, loved them at the time and love them now, right up to where Conrad and Fox have read up to (and published, because they've probably read up to the egg virus thing).  I liked the next bit, right up to when the re-chipped GIs hit Horst.  I even liked the bit after Horst, with art by Steve Dillon, and Hit One.  It was after that when it was clear there wasn't any real plan for the Hits that original Rogue lost his lustre.  I've not read any of the Hits since Hunted gave the TG a motive for being a traitor (which ties in to the hits).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 19 September, 2018, 08:39:15 PM
Re-reading the hit, 'the princess is in another castle' got old very quick.

I'm not sure how they managed to screw it up so badly.

If it had been 4-6 episodes a hit run over a year, and variety in targets/situations I think it would be remembered much more fondly.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 10:30:32 PM
The great Steve Dillon art was far and away the best thing about the Hits sequence.

Horst was such a disappointment, but seems inevitable.  As they said on the podcast, once you find the one-armed man, the adventures of Dr. Kimble aren't very compelling.  (But now you take Dr. Kimble and stick him in a jungle.  It's still not interesting.)

Nu Earth itself was a great character, though.  Maybe I wish that Cinnabar could somehow have multiplied itself out over time to give us more of whatever made it so great.

But the great reboot happened instead.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 September, 2018, 04:08:29 AM
Quote from: Frank on 19 September, 2018, 07:17:50 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 19 September, 2018, 06:56:25 PM
I remember enjoying the early Rogue Trooper series (up to where Space Spinner is right now) much more than Conrad or Fox seem to

They're reading a bunch of progs at a time.

I enjoy any individual episode of original Rogue Trooper - the art's usually great, the action's exciting, and the ideas and characters are memorable - but reading an entire series (certainly the longer series) in one go usually turns into a chore.

I wasn't reading at that time, but I'm pretty sure they'd have read just fine on a weekly basis, which is what they were meant to do.

We've talked about that on the show a couple times. The similarity of the plot lines definitely become visible if you read a bunch in a row. Plus the nature of Rogue's story means that there aren't the occasional weird, wacky, or epic stories that can break up that monotony in other long-term thrills like Dredd. I think we talked on the most recent show about how there's something about Rogue and Nu-Earth that makes it different from Invasion, which being another every prog GF-D story seems like Rogue's closest comparison. Maybe the nature of Rogue and the conflict he's fighting in makes the over the top stuff less engrossing than Bill Savage's shoot 'em ups? I'm not sure.

Also, I can't believe how much conversation and differences there is about daily meals around various parts of the British Isles! For the record I think the standard US pronunciation for scone is just the word "cone" with an s on the front, and I'm terrified to learn what the other ways of saying it are!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 20 September, 2018, 06:20:40 AM
Scone (skon) can rhyme with bon (as in bon appetit): this is how it was said in my house.  I consider this the non-posh "correct" version.

Scone (skone) can rhyme with bone: posh version.

Scone (skoon) can rhyme with boon: this is just for Scone Palace and the village of Scone (in Scotland).

The Internet, of course, has a pie chart:

(http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/wp-content/uploads/Scone-world1-460x283.png)

By the way, that's pie rhyming with eye.  Unless you're from Dundee, in which case it's pie rhyming with ray.

Just to combine the meal time debate with the scone debate, here's high tea:

(https://www.totalguidetomanchester.com/images/content/STOCK-IMAGES/Eating-and-Drinking/Food/scones_ss101897407.jpg)

Next up: is a Jaffa Cake a biscuit?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 20 September, 2018, 09:40:45 AM
I always thought it was pronounced 'scawn-yeh'
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 21 September, 2018, 12:15:16 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 20 September, 2018, 06:20:40 AM
Scone (skon) can rhyme with bon (as in bon appetit): this is how it was said in my house.  I consider this the non-posh "correct" version.

Scone (skone) can rhyme with bone: posh version.

Scone (skoon) can rhyme with boon: this is just for Scone Palace and the village of Scone (in Scotland).

The Internet, of course, has a pie chart:

(http://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/wp-content/uploads/Scone-world1-460x283.png)

By the way, that's pie rhyming with eye.  Unless you're from Dundee, in which case it's pie rhyming with ray.

Right, now that's sorted - almost 50/50 split, with the proper pronunciation just about winning, do you bake them with fruit or with cheese?

Quote
Next up: is a Jaffa Cake a biscuit?

Depends if you're having to pay tax on it.  Do you get Jaffa Cakes in 'merica?  If not, were there any in the care package?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 September, 2018, 02:28:42 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 21 September, 2018, 12:15:16 AM
Depends if you're having to pay tax on it.  Do you get Jaffa Cakes in 'merica?  If not, were there any in the care package?

I've never seen one, I guess they're orange and chocolate? Definitely one of those things that I've only heard about vaguely when I watch repeats of Great British Bake Off (that's also where I've learned weird stuff about pudding, which is both another word for desert AND a specific kind of cake that's very different from what we have here, which you call custard). The care package we got was a lot of awesome savory stuff, like chips and crisps and stuff, and straight up candies of various types. For the record, I just want to say that these times we all pause to talk about junk food and snacks are some of my favorite parts of doing this show :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 21 September, 2018, 03:23:02 AM
Star Wars And Jaffa Cakes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZnsOZsA7_4)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 21 September, 2018, 06:52:23 AM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 20 September, 2018, 09:40:45 AM
I always thought it was pronounced 'scawn-yeh'

:lol:

For the record, I am undeniably posh, and I've always said 'skon'.
Also in my house we grew up with breakfast, lunch, and then either High Tea (if we were eating early and were getting cake), or Supper (if we were eating late).

'Rogue Trooper' was pronounced 'a bit too rough for my liking'.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 21 September, 2018, 08:22:03 AM

Now that pudding is on the table, as it were, I feel the need to mention the total awesomeness that is black pudding - one of my favourite things. However, I'm not entirely sure our American cousins would believe me if I described it.

So I won't.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 21 September, 2018, 09:23:01 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 September, 2018, 02:28:42 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 21 September, 2018, 12:15:16 AM
Depends if you're having to pay tax on it.  Do you get Jaffa Cakes in 'merica?  If not, were there any in the care package?

I've never seen one, I guess they're orange and chocolate? Definitely one of those things that I've only heard about vaguely when I watch repeats of Great British Bake Off (that's also where I've learned weird stuff about pudding, which is both another word for desert AND a specific kind of cake that's very different from what we have here, which you call custard). The care package we got was a lot of awesome savory stuff, like chips and crisps and stuff, and straight up candies of various types. For the record, I just want to say that these times we all pause to talk about junk food and snacks are some of my favorite parts of doing this show :D

Yeah, kind of a spongey base, not hard like a cookie.
A layer of orange jam/jelly type stuff, sealed in with chocolate.

There was some legal ruling of whether they were cakes or biscuits (biscuits have a higher tax rate) so they're defined as 'biscuit sized cakes'

Seem to recall some definition of whether a thing is a cake or a biscuit as being - if it goes hard when it's stale it's a cake, if it goes soft - then it's a biscuit.

This is why the lawyers get the big bucks.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 September, 2018, 02:26:50 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 21 September, 2018, 08:22:03 AM

Now that pudding is on the table, as it were, I feel the need to mention the total awesomeness that is black pudding - one of my favourite things. However, I'm not entirely sure our American cousins would believe me if I described it.

So I won't.

I judge any cooked breakfast first and formost on whether it includes the glory that is black pudding.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 21 September, 2018, 03:36:16 PM

Don't we all???

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 21 September, 2018, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 21 September, 2018, 08:22:03 AM

Now that pudding is on the table, as it were, I feel the need to mention the total awesomeness that is black pudding - one of my favourite things. However, I'm not entirely sure our American cousins would believe me if I described it.

So I won't.


They'll know what a Black Pudding is (note the capitalisation) - it's a monster from D&D:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/DnD_Black_pudding.png/549px-DnD_Black_pudding.png)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 21 September, 2018, 07:24:03 PM
Good Lord!

Further, I believe even the Klingons had their own version. (http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Rokeg_blood_pie) Sounds delicious, except for the hairs...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 21 September, 2018, 08:52:59 PM
I don't know how true it is but I've heard that as the blood drive during the second world war was so successful there was a proposal that all the blood would be of more use alleviating food shortages than used for medical purposes (but it could all be an urban myth).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Legendary Shark on 21 September, 2018, 09:38:28 PM

I wouldn't be surprised - governments always have been evil, blood-sucking parasites...

Back of the net! Ha.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 22 September, 2018, 05:35:24 PM
I'm not saying we're food obsessed but...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnthyxzWkAAEV_0.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 23 September, 2018, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 22 September, 2018, 05:35:24 PM
I'm not saying we're food obsessed but...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnthyxzWkAAEV_0.jpg:large)
In case further translation is needed :
Jam sandwich = jelly sandwich
Battenburg cake = cake with squares of alternating yellow and pink sponge cake cubes, wrapped in marzipan.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Battenbergcake.jpg/300px-Battenbergcake.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/EEAS-ambulance.jpg/220px-EEAS-ambulance.jpg)
Jam sandwich: (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Met_police_car.jpg/220px-Met_police_car.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 September, 2018, 06:53:19 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/GTN3rqK.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 395-398 of 2000AD, covering December of 1984. This week the Stainless Steel Rat begins his candidacy, Torquemada gets a new body, Ace quits trucking, we see even more Helltrekker funerals and Dredd fights vampire judges!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 24 September, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
I have missed so much, and I just, I don't know what anything is anymore. WHAT IS EVERYONE SAYING. AM I POSH OR NOT. HOW DO I KNOW. I FEEL VERY INSECURE ABOUT BRITISH FOOD.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 September, 2018, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 24 September, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
I have missed so much, and I just, I don't know what anything is anymore. WHAT IS EVERYONE SAYING. AM I POSH OR NOT. HOW DO I KNOW. I FEEL VERY INSECURE ABOUT BRITISH FOOD.

We need NEW BLOOD - join us, Fox...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 24 September, 2018, 10:38:11 PM
I suspect that is the idea, Fox - to keep the plebs in their place and identify them more easily by their confusion over what should be a simple set of social rules!

Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 24 September, 2018, 02:29:52 PM
I have missed so much, and I just, I don't know what anything is anymore. WHAT IS EVERYONE SAYING. AM I POSH OR NOT. HOW DO I KNOW. I FEEL VERY INSECURE ABOUT BRITISH FOOD.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 24 September, 2018, 10:53:12 PM
I'm loving Conrad's pronunciation of 'buoy'! :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 September, 2018, 10:53:25 PM
*psst* The lights go out line wasn't quoting Churchill, it was quoting Sir Edward Grey, Foreign Secretary on the outbreak of the Great War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lamps_are_going_out) - Churchill did riff off it a year before the start of the second world war:
Quote from: Winston ChurchillThe stations of uncensored expression are closing down; the lights are going out; but there is still time for those to whom freedom and parliamentary government mean something, to consult together.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 September, 2018, 05:31:26 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 24 September, 2018, 10:53:25 PM
*psst* The lights go out line wasn't quoting Churchill, it was quoting Sir Edward Grey, Foreign Secretary on the outbreak of the Great War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lamps_are_going_out) - Churchill did riff off it a year before the start of the second world war:
Quote from: Winston ChurchillThe stations of uncensored expression are closing down; the lights are going out; but there is still time for those to whom freedom and parliamentary government mean something, to consult together.

Oh noooooooo!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 September, 2018, 05:32:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nFiFKOW.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty fourth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1984. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1984 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we'll give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1985 from both 2000AD and our show!

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/B2Th30lZwCQ)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 30 September, 2018, 09:05:30 AM
Awesome work, guys! That was loads of fun and the shout-out really made my day. (It's pronounced ekidna, but don't sweat it - me and Ee-mon are pretty forgiving guys ;) )

Re-Action sounds great; I've read some  Battle but nothing from Action so it will be completely new to me.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 30 September, 2018, 01:41:58 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 30 September, 2018, 09:05:30 AM
Awesome work, guys! That was loads of fun and the shout-out really made my day. (It's pronounced ekidna, but don't sweat it - me and Ee-mon are pretty forgiving guys ;) )

Indeed we are.
:P
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 October, 2018, 06:01:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vGcQsVr.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 399-402 of 2000AD, covering January of 1985. This week the ABC Warriors reunite, the Helltrekkers make the crossing, the Stainless Steel Rat holds a campaign rally, and Dredd and The Mutant see eye-to-eye. Or maybe not!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 01 October, 2018, 07:19:04 PM
It is a nice coincidence that you and Fox talk about how great Carlos' work is at some length in this podcast, on a sad day for 2000ad fans. It is a fine tribute to him that his work was still gaining fresh admirers after all these years of sheer brilliance.

On the replica Nemesis being beheaded by Torquemada - that was quite a cliff hanger at the time and I remember thinking all week 'how will he get out of this one?'. I was a little bit disappointed by the resolution although it is sign posted with the 'low psychic energy reading' mention early on. I can't remember what explanation I dreamed up and thought was better.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 October, 2018, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 01 October, 2018, 07:19:04 PM
It is a nice coincidence that you and Fox talk about how great Carlos' work is at some length in this podcast, on a sad day for 2000ad fans. It is a fine tribute to him that his work was still gaining fresh admirers after all these years of sheer brilliance.

On the replica Nemesis being beheaded by Torquemada - that was quite a cliff hanger at the time and I remember thinking all week 'how will he get out of this one?'. I was a little bit disappointed by the resolution although it is sign posted with the 'low psychic energy reading' mention early on. I can't remember what explanation I dreamed up and thought was better.

Naturally both Fox and I are heartbroken by the news, it's so terrible. Ezquerra is such an essential part of the prog it is hard to imagine it without him. But he'll live on in his work, and I'm honored to have a hand in preserving that. Can't wait to get to the next Strontium Dog stories, which are some of my favorite.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 October, 2018, 09:30:04 PM
Conrad, as I said in the Goodbye Carlos thread, I was listening to Fox and yourself enthusing over Carlos' Stainless Steel Rat art as the news came in - as a child deeply affected by Carlos' work, particularly Strontium Dog (WWJD stands for "What Would Johnny Do?" to me), it has always filled my heart to hear you and Fox rave about the comics that shaped me, and hearign you call out Stront as your favourite in the Spinnies and his brilliant art in SSR really helped me today - thanks to you both!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 October, 2018, 12:26:39 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 September, 2018, 05:32:40 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nFiFKOW.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty fourth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1984. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1984 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we'll give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1985 from both 2000AD and our show!

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/B2Th30lZwCQ)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

What was that about Sam Fox?  Uncle Sam / Fox?  You know there was a 1980s celeb called Samantha Fox, right?  She released a few records, though don't know if they made it over the pond.  If you feel the urge to google for her, don't do so on a work computer.  You have been warned.



I think one of the Block Mania / Mega Mania boardgames also had a Sam Fox block board...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 02 October, 2018, 03:30:26 PM
I've often wondered about the Sam Fox thing too - when was the book originally written (and does it also reference Sam Fox)?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 02 October, 2018, 04:02:54 PM
Written in 1982 - the book has a different author and more spoilery subtitle: - "How to win Elections", subtitled "Or how to vote the cemetery" by Seamus O'Neill
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 October, 2018, 05:13:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9a6hKa2.jpg)

In our action-packed first episode Jason and Conrad begin their journey through the pages of the infamous classic comic with issues 1-3 of Action! This episode a whole bunch of athletes get injured, Dredger is on the case, and Hookjaw eats a TON of people!

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If you're subscribed to the show you'll get this one too! I hope you enjoy it and that you like my friend Jason who's coming with me on this new classic comics journey!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 04 October, 2018, 04:00:05 PM
I just wanted to say that I've really enjoyed the podcast even though I haven't said anything for a while.

I probably ought to mention that I sometimes it just doesn't occur to me to communicate for weeks or months at a time (and on one occasion, nearly a year), which has made certain things a bit tricky, like holding down a job, having a girlfriend and keeping in touch with people.

Fortunately, in the Internet age, no one notices.

I'm not dead, in other words.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 04 October, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 04 October, 2018, 04:00:05 PM
I just wanted to say that I've really enjoyed the podcast even though I haven't said anything for a while.

This! Can't gush about how great the show is every week...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 October, 2018, 08:03:03 PM
Yeah for sure! We appreciate everyone listening, it's been an amazing run so far, and I hope you like the ReAction show!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 October, 2018, 06:49:39 PM
Finished listening to first Reaction and its a great addition. Jason seems fun and nice to hear about some strips I've never read... in fact only ever read Hookjaw.

So the question this leaves us is when you going to start on Battle?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 05 October, 2018, 07:14:01 PM
Enjoyed the first Re:Action cast - I didn't actually read this as a kid, so it's fun to get the spacespinner take on stuff I'm less familiar with.

And you only called him "Fox" once!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 October, 2018, 10:54:26 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 05 October, 2018, 06:49:39 PM
Finished listening to first Reaction and its a great addition. Jason seems fun and nice to hear about some strips I've never read... in fact only ever read Hookjaw.

So the question this leaves us is when you going to start on Battle?

At this point my vision is pointed forward, not back. Our next target is space nobility, but that's a 2019 plan!

Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 October, 2018, 07:14:01 PM
Enjoyed the first Re:Action cast - I didn't actually read this as a kid, so it's fun to get the spacespinner take on stuff I'm less familiar with.

And you only called him "Fox" once!

At this point calling my cohost Fox is total muscle memory. That and calling every character Dredd.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 06 October, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
I too never got to read Action (something to do with only being born in 1978), and apart from that Hookjaw collection from Hibernia I've not managed to find any of the other stories - how does one go about reading along? The stories sound too ridiculous not to seek out!

Are you going to combine Space Nobility with Freak Weather Patterns?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 October, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 06 October, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
I too never got to read Action (something to do with only being born in 1978), and apart from that Hookjaw collection from Hibernia I've not managed to find any of the other stories - how does one go about reading along? The stories sound too ridiculous not to seek out!

Are you going to combine Space Nobility with Freak Weather Patterns?

And then possibly about a time of intense difficulty, trouble or danger!

For reprints, I'm trying to post a bunch of screenshots on our social media, which gives you the majority of each story and should hopefully give you a sense of the stories at least!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 06 October, 2018, 02:22:06 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 October, 2018, 10:54:26 PM
At this point my vision is pointed forward, not back. Our next target is space nobility, but that's a 2019 plan!

A space noble?  Some sort of Star... Lord?

Hurray!  You're doing Guardians of the Galaxy!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 October, 2018, 11:03:26 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 October, 2018, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 06 October, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
Are you going to combine Space Nobility with Freak Weather Patterns?

And then possibly about a time of intense difficulty, trouble or danger!


Will you be turning around while you do it, about mid-way through the peril?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 October, 2018, 05:34:09 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CM69d2T.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 403-406 of 2000AD, covering February of 1985. This week the GIs are back to the chips, Nemesis and Torquemada showdown, the Helltrekkers continue mutant fighting, and the City of the Damned concludes! Also it's our second anniversary doing the podcast! Hooray!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 08 October, 2018, 04:12:58 PM
Now, pay attention - this is complicated!

Nemesis Book IV era Purity Brown has Lily Munster's hair (black with white streak), in Elvira's style (big tall hair) with Patricia Morrison from the Sisters of Mercy's face (loud lipstick, huge dark eyes, nearly invisible nose) and she's wearing Emma Peel from the Avengers (not to be confused with Marvel's Avengers, which was called 'Marvel's Avengers Assemble!' over here) costume from the episode 'A Touch of Brimstone' (also worn by Dark Phoenix in an episode of Marvel's X-Men).

I hope that's perfectly clear.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 10 October, 2018, 09:03:39 PM
"The Judge Child will return in Prog 1077, eighteen years after Judge Feyy's prediction, just as foretold!"
"Oh, what the fuck."
"Ah, y'know, whatever, that's a problem for when we're covering 1998, buddy. I'm not worried about that too much."
"That's so far away."
"You'd think so, but I got plans."


WHAT. What does this mean? You're not - gasp! - skipping ahead, are you?

Congrats on the anniversary - Space Spinner continues to be one of the podcasting highlights of my week, and ReAction is off to a great start too.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 October, 2018, 10:21:45 PM
Not even I know, sometimes I'm just vamping out there! Definitely no plans to skip!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 October, 2018, 05:57:12 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fRSSfLy.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 407-410 of 2000AD, covering March of 1985. This week Dredd goes against the Hunters Club, the King arrives in Halo Jones, things are getting hot for the Hell Trekkers, and Rogue Trooper starts his new mission!

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ReAction episode 2 is this Thursday!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Hudge_Jeeley on 15 October, 2018, 06:00:04 PM
Poor Fox, he's going to be broken next week.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 October, 2018, 05:25:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/7llXk57.jpg)

In our action-packed second episode Jason and Conrad begin their journey through the pages of the infamous classic comic with issues 4-6 of Action! This episode it's shark vs squid in hookjaw, Hellman goes to Dunkirk, Dredger meets his match, and at least one person gets punched in the face in every single story!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 October, 2018, 05:53:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2lBDsjm.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 411-415 of 2000AD, covering March and April of 1985. This week Dredd fights big robots and young juves, the Helltrek concludes and Halo Jones reaches her destination, Rogue goes to the bugs, and Sláine begins a new adventure!

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Also, check co-host Conrad out on the lastest episode of the Fantasticast, talking the Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange, and Godzilla!
http://www.thefantasticast.com/podcast/304
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 22 October, 2018, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 October, 2018, 05:53:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2lBDsjm.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 411-415 of 2000AD, covering March and April of 1985. This week Dredd fights big robots and young juves, the Helltrek concludes and Halo Jones reaches her destination, Rogue goes to the bugs, and Sláine begins a new adventure!

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Stitcher (https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Also, check co-host Conrad out on the lastest episode of the Fantasticast, talking the Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange, and Godzilla!
http://www.thefantasticast.com/podcast/304

Looking forward to listening to that tonight - can't wait to find out how Fox reacts to the second half of Halo Book II!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 October, 2018, 06:10:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KZvSHjf.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and twenty-ninth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1985 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special has some great stories featuring Judge Dredd and DR & Quinch, as well as classic Ro-Busters action!

This episode Conrad is joined by David Royane of the Beyond the Soda and Where Eagles Dare podcast! Where Eagles Dare recaps the Eagle comic from the 1980s! If you like our show you'll love Where Eagles Dare!

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: QuickQuag on 25 October, 2018, 10:12:35 AM
..er... it behoves me to slip quietly from out of the Quag to inform fans of the splundig Space Spinner 2000 cast that Conrad himsef returns the favour and joins us Where Eagles Dare for a Very Special Special eaglesode flung into the podosphere within hours of this latest SS2k.

Conrad's clearly got the hang of the UK comic form. But can anything prepare him for an Eagle photostrip?

Direct download (https://sofageddon.wordpress.com/2018/10/25/wed16-a-very-special-special/)

Squelching off again now...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 25 October, 2018, 04:41:43 PM
howard quartz half human cyborg and eventual continuity nightmare got me some strange looks on the bus as i was laughing too hard
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 October, 2018, 04:45:03 PM
Though for the record I guess it should be 10% man 90% robot, 100% continuity nightmare 😁
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 27 October, 2018, 11:53:22 AM
YouTube: Man from Del Monte (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqmpVWzH4FM) - a series of commercials in the late 1970s(?), 1980s for fruit juice.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 27 October, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
Quote from: QuickQuag on 25 October, 2018, 10:12:35 AM
..er... it behoves me to slip quietly from out of the Quag to inform fans of the splundig Space Spinner 2000 cast that Conrad himsef returns the favour and joins us Where Eagles Dare for a Very Special Special eaglesode flung into the podosphere within hours of this latest SS2k.

Conrad's clearly got the hang of the UK comic form. But can anything prepare him for an Eagle photostrip?

Direct download (https://sofageddon.wordpress.com/2018/10/25/wed16-a-very-special-special/)

Squelching off again now...

This was great - a triple dose of Conrad this week. I am following Where Eagles Dare since I did subscribe to Eagle before I moved on to 2000AD. I do not have any scans or copies of the comics so it is all from memory for me. Doomlord was the best and also scariest at the time - I am glad that it sounds as though it has stood the test of time.

I was staggered when for the closing music on this special it used A Taste Of Aggro by The Baron Knights. As a child, I used to brush my teeth to this song and I still have the 7" which I played to my 9 year old daughter just this week. I genuinely thought I was the only person who remembered this song as I have never encountered anyone else ever who knew of it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 October, 2018, 04:27:18 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 27 October, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
This was great - a triple dose of Conrad this week. I am following Where Eagles Dare since I did subscribe to Eagle before I moved on to 2000AD. I do not have any scans or copies of the comics so it is all from memory for me. Doomlord was the best and also scariest at the time - I am glad that it sounds as though it has stood the test of time.

This week actually has a quintuple does of Conrad if you're a real glutton for punishment, as I've also done some American comics podcasting.

I'm a guest host on the Fantasticast, talking Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange, and Godzilla: http://www.thefantasticast.com/podcast/304

Also I've finally started working on my Doctor Strange podcast Stranger by the Dozen, which will be come out every two weeks: https://soundcloud.com/strangerbythedozen/xlvi

SO MUCH CONRAD!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 29 October, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 October, 2018, 04:27:18 AM
SO MUCH CONRAD!

Enough is never enough. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUzkghAJXZg) ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 October, 2018, 06:37:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UUx6KVE.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirtieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 416-418 of 2000AD, covering May of 1985. This week it's the big spring relaunch, with a new story for Dredd, the return of Strontium Dog, and the debut of Judge Anderson's solo strip!

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Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 29 October, 2018, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 October, 2018, 04:27:18 AM
SO MUCH CONRAD!

Enough is never enough. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUzkghAJXZg) ;)

At first I thought it was gonna be a video of me and got worried!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 November, 2018, 04:45:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vnqXttp.jpg)

In our action-packed third episode Jason and Conrad continue their journey through the pages of the infamous classic comic with issues 4-6 of Action! This episode Hellman heads to Africa, Blackjack fights The Bull, Hookjaw bites a plane, and Coffin Sub dives into the sunset!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 01 November, 2018, 10:01:53 PM
That was one of the funniest things I have listened to in a long while, thanks for that.The shark facts and Hookjaw in general were the highlight for me. The description of what is going on in Hookjaw reminded me of a biography I read where the person was at school in the 1970s and was having a competition with a school mate to have the highest kill rate in their English homework assignments. The teacher gave them titles like 'A Night At The Theatre' and they would find ways to have hundreds die through gas leak explosions and such like. Pat Mills seems to be doing this kind of stuff in Hookjaw.

It sounds like Action is getting better as it goes along. It will be interesting to hear what you think of it by the time you reach the Kids Rule OK cover, which could well be the peak of the run.

Is this Jason"s first exposure to non-US comics? He seems to be having fun with it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 November, 2018, 10:54:28 PM
All the shark stuff is so much fun. The plane especially seems like it was just pulled out of a hat and they decided to work with it. It's amazing on the page though, looking out the windows of a plane to see a dark sea full of hungry sharks!

I'm excited to see where we go with the more well known Action stories! We'll get Look out for Left next episode, and Death Game 1999 the episode after that. I'm especially interested for when Kids Rule Ok starts, in sort of the way that the second time you read an Agatha Christie novel you perk up when the killer first appears :D

I believe it's Jason's first time with British comics. He's not a huge comics guy generally, but he's really enjoying these crazy tales!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 November, 2018, 07:31:45 AM
I'm concerned I'm now stalking Conrad. I decided that the Fantasticast sounded fun and indeed it is and hence I'm a little behind and will be listening ReAction later today with any luck... is listening to three podcasts by the same person in one week too much?

Does this mean we're going steady now?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 November, 2018, 05:28:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0RRIrTT.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 419-422 of 2000AD, covering May and June of 1985. This week Sláine learns about balance, the Strontium Dogs get more bounties, Rogue Trooper meets some new enemies, Dark Judges attack Mega-City One, and Judge Dredd deals with the fallout. Also with episode we'll have covered 20% of 2000AD progs!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 05 November, 2018, 07:05:16 PM
I think Frankie Wilson is probably Francis Wilson who was a breakfast TV weather presenter in the 80s.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 05 November, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
If you want to know what Middenface's song sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0da8d8T8bvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0da8d8T8bvg). (a deoch-an-doris, apparently, means 'a drink at the door').

If you're getting a bit fed up of "comic book pagan nonsense" from Pat Mills, then buckle in guys, because Uncle Pat has read a LOT of books (and more recently websites) and he's going to explain all of them in detail for the next thirty years*. A recent book of Slaine was literally a single six-week punch up in which Slaine and his opponent made speeches and shouted slogans at each other like a couple of demented internet trolls. At times, you just have to let it wash over you and enjoy the pretty pictures.

*Just a Grant & Wagner have mined their Scottihness for comic effect over a similar period. Comedy Scotsmen, pagan nonsense and gruesome death. Reckon that's as good a description of 2000ad as any!

Also enjoying re:Action, making me want to get hold of that Hookjaw reprint. (Have you read the recent reboot drawn by Conor Boyle? It's excellent, with some clever nods back to Action)

Also curious - was Paul Hardcastle's n-n-n-n-nineteen a hit, or even released in the US?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 05 November, 2018, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 November, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
Also curious - was Paul Hardcastle's n-n-n-n-nineteen a hit, or even released in the US?

I answer only to free-up Mr Spinner to answer your Hookjaw query. 15 on the pop chart, number 1 on the club chart:

https://www.billboard.com/music/paul-hardcastle/chart-history/dance-club-play-songs


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 November, 2018, 11:34:03 PM
Quote from: Frank on 05 November, 2018, 10:38:41 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 November, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
Also curious - was Paul Hardcastle's n-n-n-n-nineteen a hit, or even released in the US?

I answer only to free-up Mr Spinner to answer your Hookjaw query. 15 on the pop chart, number 1 on the club chart:

https://www.billboard.com/music/paul-hardcastle/chart-history/dance-club-play-songs

Thanks! That's one I didn't have info for.

We're about to enter a section where I think we're a little tough on Mills and the pagan stuff, and I'm not super happy with it. I (Conrad) have trouble with the whole balance between good and evil thing which rubs me the wrong way, and in the future I'm going to have a lot of disagreements on Mills's views on women as untouchable holy and incalculably treacherous. However, on the whole I really like this series, and I think it opens up into pretty good stuff by the end. I'm hoping too clear this up a bit when we get to the and of 1985 and have more of an open forum in the Spinnies. For now I'll say that it's just a big change for Slaine, from Conanesque fantasy wandering to mindbending scifi world building!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 07 November, 2018, 07:46:20 AM
A little more back drop to ReAction 3 in which you mention the success of Neil Adams being one of the few in the sports star feature that actually got to a level of success in sport. Alas what you have no reason to know is that the real measure by any 70s or early eighties sports personality was their success in TV show 'Superstars' where sports folks from different arenas competed against each others in... well sports

You didn't really make it until you had competed and even better won Superstars (or fallen off a bike dramatically I guess). Alas Neil Adams was never a great champion of this competition. Unlike his mentor Brian Jacks who was surely the king of the show. I think Adams only got to one final of the series unlike Brian Jakes who gained great fame with his squat thrusts (or maybe it was his dips but squat thrusts is much more fun to type) and defeating all comers...

I mention this only as as soon as you mentioned his name my first thought was Neil Adams wasn't that good, I barely remember him in Superstars... well I did say it was a little back drop!

Fantastic show chaps.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 November, 2018, 08:46:10 AM
I love Big Bust (and I cannot lie), seems like an ideal candidate for a film adaptation - the Killing's fine, but this covers similar ground but with a little bit more SD background.

Having a bunch of bemused alien crims singing that song, while cross-cutting to Alpha and Wulf in the bar would be amazing on film.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 November, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
Well even though I'm only half way through I feel I have to comment on Episode 132.

First and foremost I'm of course deeply flattered that you dedicated the show to me my playing the song written in tribute to my forum name at the start (and I assume) and end of the show. Very touching.

Secondly Doug Church Block is actually named after one of the original art / design team on 2000ad. Pat Mills really rates him and his influence on the comic as he more than ably expresses in the linkie below.

https://www.millsverse.com/10-of-the-best-celebrating-some-of-2000ads-unsung-heroes/ (https://www.millsverse.com/10-of-the-best-celebrating-some-of-2000ads-unsung-heroes/).

Oh and wonderful show - thank you for making me laugh like a goon on the way into work this morning with you description of Pluke - Gold!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 12 November, 2018, 08:36:14 AM
holy crap i just realised whats coming up in strontium dog :o

on another note since i was subbed way longer to the fantasticast than to this podcast it was a genuine thrill to hear conrad on it
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 November, 2018, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 November, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
Well even though I'm only half way through I feel I have to comment on Episode 132.

First and foremost I'm of course deeply flattered that you dedicated the show to me my playing the song written in tribute to my forum name at the start (and I assume) and end of the show. Very touching.

Secondly Doug Church Block is actually named after one of the original art / design team on 2000ad. Pat Mills really rates him and his influence on the comic as he more than ably expresses in the linkie below.

https://www.millsverse.com/10-of-the-best-celebrating-some-of-2000ads-unsung-heroes/ (https://www.millsverse.com/10-of-the-best-celebrating-some-of-2000ads-unsung-heroes/).

Oh and wonderful show - thank you for making me laugh like a goon on the way into work this morning with you description of Pluke - Gold!

Thanks! For the record YNWA was the number one for that month, for one reason or another, but who am I to go against someone's weird podcast obsession?

I've read that article before but forgot about Doug Church, I mostly remember it for Mills saying a lot of good stuff about Gerry Finley-Day. I liked that a lot because I feel like Thrillpower Overload is actually pretty mean to GFD, discussing mostly his spelling errors and how he didn't fit in with the cool kids.

Quote from: The Monarch on 12 November, 2018, 08:36:14 AM
holy crap i just realised whats coming up in strontium dog :o

on another note since i was subbed way longer to the fantasticast than to this podcast it was a genuine thrill to hear conrad on it

It's gonna get heavy! I was super excited to be on the Fantasticast, it's one of my main shows to listen to. I have to get something scheduled with Andy though, I've missed him twice!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 November, 2018, 12:32:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8rbP0WW.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 423-426 of 2000AD, covering June and July of 1985. This week Judge Death gives a rude awakening, Rogue Trooper and Sláine go for the oldest trick in the book, Johnny takes on the Slavers of Drule, and Super Surf 7 begins!

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Also, we're starting to get towards the end of 1985 in our recording, and the Spinnies are on the horizon! I'd love to hear your nominations for best artist, writer, overall thrill, month, and where you think 1985 fits in with the rest of 2000AD so far! Also, what your favorite thing we covered in 2018 was! It goes from 1982 to 1985, real golden age stuff. All comments/commentary appreciated!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 November, 2018, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 November, 2018, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 November, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
Well even though I'm only half way through I feel I have to comment on Episode 132.

First and foremost I'm of course deeply flattered that you dedicated the show to me my playing the song written in tribute to my forum name at the start (and I assume) and end of the show. Very touching.

Thanks! For the record YNWA was the number one for that month, for one reason or another, but who am I to go against someone's weird podcast obsession?


I think it was a re-release of the song (by a Liverpool band) following a ferry disaster on the Mersey...


Quote
Quote from: The Monarch on 12 November, 2018, 08:36:14 AM
holy crap i just realised whats coming up in strontium dog :o

It's gonna get heavy!


Don't quite have time to check out Barney, but I'm guessing a time job followed by [spoiler]a reduced cast[/spoiler]?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 November, 2018, 01:10:50 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 12 November, 2018, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 November, 2018, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 November, 2018, 07:49:18 AM
Well even though I'm only half way through I feel I have to comment on Episode 132.

First and foremost I'm of course deeply flattered that you dedicated the show to me my playing the song written in tribute to my forum name at the start (and I assume) and end of the show. Very touching.

Thanks! For the record YNWA was the number one for that month, for one reason or another, but who am I to go against someone's weird podcast obsession?


I think it was a re-release of the song (by a Liverpool band) following a ferry disaster on the Mersey...


It was actually for the Bradford disaster.

Please everyone knows I was just being cheeky right?!?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 12 November, 2018, 04:20:47 PM
[spoiler]yes...yes it is time for a bit of a RAGE inducing time with bubble gum[/spoiler]

oh by the by the helltrekkers can't fly over the cursed earth because of the Death Belt that was introduced in the cursed earth epic. I mean i know it was dealt with later on but its still an issue at this point in the dredd timeline right?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 November, 2018, 04:10:32 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/x2Mh263.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirty-third episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1986 Judge Dredd Annual. This is the sixth Dredd Annual, and we have Carlos Ezquerra drawing two new full color Dredd stories, and new challenger John Higgins doing one, as well as classic Dredd, some features, and an Ian Gibson Judge Anderson punch up.

This episode Conrad is joined by friend of the show and 2000AD and Dredd fan Jake Ebeling! You can find Jake on Twitter where he's @ebeling_j

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 November, 2018, 04:10:50 PM
Also, we're starting to get towards the end of 1985 in our recording, and the Spinnies are on the horizon! I'd love to hear your nominations for best artist, writer, overall thrill, month, and where you think 1985 fits in with the rest of 2000AD so far! Also, what your favorite thing we covered in 2018 was! It goes from 1982 to 1985, real golden age stuff. All comments/commentary appreciated!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 15 November, 2018, 04:27:19 PM
I've always assumed the Wally Squad was named after Where's Wally?, even though it's called Where's Waldo? in America.

And I think that Walter the Wobot page must have been languishing in the "we've-paid-for-it-so-we've-got-to-use-it-sometime" drawer since 1979...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 November, 2018, 04:33:47 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 15 November, 2018, 04:27:19 PM
I've always assumed the Wally Squad was named after Where's Wally?, even though it's called Where's Waldo? in America.

And I think that Walter the Wobot page must have been languishing in the "we've-paid-for-it-so-we've-got-to-use-it-sometime" drawer since 1979...

Ah, but the first Where's Waldo was in 1986!

And that drawer seems to get a lot of use in '85, as we keep getting these big masses of Alan Hebden and Peter Milligan Future Shocks.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 15 November, 2018, 05:33:41 PM

When fans and journalists get a chance to interview Wagner or Grant, they waste the opportunity by asking questions about politics, when what everyone really needs to know is why the Wally Squad are called the Wally Squad.

Google suggests 'wally' was a chant that went round Woodstock*, but other than that, my level of insight hasn't changed much since I was a kid. Here's what else the word 'wally' meant** in the eighties:

(https://i.imgur.com/0lTkclc.png?1)


* Which would fit with TB Grover's age(s) and interest in the counterculture, as well as the perception of the Wally Squad as freaks and weirdoes

** 'Wallies' would only mean 'false teeth' to those afflicted by Scottishness
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: I, Cosh on 15 November, 2018, 05:41:36 PM
I just assumed it was the everyday schoolyard definition: idiot.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 15 November, 2018, 05:56:59 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 15 November, 2018, 05:41:36 PM
I just assumed it was the everyday schoolyard definition: idiot.

Yeah, that's the obvious one, but that reading of the name doesn't make intuitive sense in the same way as dunk, tap or pongo. Maybe they're sometimes dressed like idiots, or pretending to be idiots, but not all the time.

It probably means idiot, but it's slippery enough to warrant further consideration.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 15 November, 2018, 06:21:14 PM
First time it appeared on my radar would have been in Only Fools and Horses...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3ylZl6zO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3ylZl6zO0)

Which would have been around the right time.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 15 November, 2018, 06:38:41 PM
A wally is also a gherkin according to my South London bred parents (they're from Shooters Hill in Eltham, which subsequently turns out to be where Bill Savage originally comes from...)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 15 November, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
And that drawer seems to get a lot of use in '85, as we keep getting these big masses of Alan Hebden and Peter Milligan Future Shocks.

That poor drawer suffers in the 90s
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 16 November, 2018, 05:59:13 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 15 November, 2018, 06:38:41 PM
A wally is also a gherkin according to my South London bred parents (they're from Shooters Hill in Eltham, which subsequently turns out to be where Bill Savage originally comes from...)
Where else would the most famous Londoner who always wields a shooter come from?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 17 November, 2018, 11:44:36 AM
I thought it was funny in the latest episode covering 426 where Conrad and Fox puzzled over why the US letter had the address stated as Fargo, USA without mentioning the state. The state seems superfluous to us and is never used in the UK, although US music acts touring Europe will sometimes state 'London, England', 'Glasgow, Scotland', 'Paris, France', etc on their tour posters. It looks odd to us, as it implies we could be confused and think they mean another London/Glasgow/Paris if they do not state the country.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 November, 2018, 04:41:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QWMW3iH.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 427-430 of 2000AD, covering July and August of 1985. This week Judge Anderson gets her man, Rogue gets sandy, Ace Garp gets bad news, and Super Surf 7 gets underway! WRITE HIS NAME IN BLOOD

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Quote from: WhizzBang on 17 November, 2018, 11:44:36 AM
I thought it was funny in the latest episode covering 426 where Conrad and Fox puzzled over why the US letter had the address stated as Fargo, USA without mentioning the state. The state seems superfluous to us and is never used in the UK, although US music acts touring Europe will sometimes state 'London, England', 'Glasgow, Scotland', 'Paris, France', etc on their tour posters. It looks odd to us, as it implies we could be confused and think they mean another London/Glasgow/Paris if they do not state the country.

It is one of those US things I guess, we love saying the state!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 November, 2018, 08:52:41 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 17 November, 2018, 11:44:36 AM
I thought it was funny in the latest episode covering 426 where Conrad and Fox puzzled over why the US letter had the address stated as Fargo, USA without mentioning the state. The state seems superfluous to us and is never used in the UK, although US music acts touring Europe will sometimes state 'London, England', 'Glasgow, Scotland', 'Paris, France', etc on their tour posters. It looks odd to us, as it implies we could be confused and think they mean another London/Glasgow/Paris if they do not state the country.


That's Chief Judge Fargo to you, citizen!


Re: London, England - I blame Ontario!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 November, 2018, 07:44:37 AM
Great episode once again.

I particularly loved the fact that you have a definative fav piece of art of all time. There's so much good stuff to be able to fix it on one spread is so cool.

I'm also curious as to when Dredd was both of your favourite thrill - seems like a age ago... though that could very possibly be my rubbish memory. If its right however it speaks to the fact that there is sooo much good stuff in the Progs at this time.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 November, 2018, 04:47:08 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 November, 2018, 07:44:37 AM
Great episode once again.

I particularly loved the fact that you have a definative fav piece of art of all time. There's so much good stuff to be able to fix it on one spread is so cool.

I'm also curious as to when Dredd was both of your favourite thrill - seems like a age ago... though that could very possibly be my rubbish memory. If its right however it speaks to the fact that there is sooo much good stuff in the Progs at this time.

Yeah it's been a while since Dredd was a top for both us. The progs have really bee going from strength to strength, giving us amazing stuff!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 21 November, 2018, 08:18:01 PM
enjoy the highs while you can guys
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 November, 2018, 06:39:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xDxiIBC.jpg)

In our action-packed fourth episode Jason and Conrad continue their journey through the pages of the infamous classic comic with issues 10-12 of Action! This episode we're getting into phase two of action, as some early stories end and some new ones start. Hookjaw will return!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 22 November, 2018, 04:05:25 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 17 November, 2018, 11:44:36 AM
I thought it was funny in the latest episode covering 426 where Conrad and Fox puzzled over why the US letter had the address stated as Fargo, USA without mentioning the state. The state seems superfluous to us and is never used in the UK, although US music acts touring Europe will sometimes state 'London, England', 'Glasgow, Scotland', 'Paris, France', etc on their tour posters. It looks odd to us, as it implies we could be confused and think they mean another London/Glasgow/Paris if they do not state the country.

There are at least three London's in the USA: in Ohio, Arkansas and Kentucky. So they (y'know, the homogenous hive mind known as the Americans) need to specify the state because they were so unoriginal and homage-driven when it came to naming things when they politely told the locals to move along the bench and make some room. They have ten Newcastles.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 22 November, 2018, 05:41:56 PM
Stating the state makes sense, yup. Original place-naming feels a bit route 1; plenty of Burns, Hills, Fields, Ends, Mills and Ports, etc. Sticking New ahead of US placenames is pretty cheeky (York, England, even... South Wales). A real missed opportunity with New Newcastle  :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 23 November, 2018, 01:54:04 PM
so wait if america calls badges buttons what do they call buttons
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 23 November, 2018, 02:52:38 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 23 November, 2018, 01:54:04 PM
so wait if america calls badges buttons what do they call buttons

Buttons.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 23 November, 2018, 04:35:33 PM

https://youtu.be/FggHwHnoz8U


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 23 November, 2018, 04:51:46 PM
Subutteo is great! My big brother used to force me to play all the time - he had a pal who had all the pitch-side accessories like stands, scoreboards and floodlights, plus dozens of carefully painted teams. I was rubbish at it and had to be bullied into playing so he could beat me - but once you snap a couple of those plastic suckers off their base, you tend to get left alone!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 23 November, 2018, 05:11:26 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 23 November, 2018, 02:52:38 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 23 November, 2018, 01:54:04 PM
so wait if america calls badges buttons what do they call buttons

Buttons.

This literally made me laugh so hard water shot out of my nose. I love this forum.

To clarify, badge/buttons can also be called Pins.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 23 November, 2018, 06:40:20 PM
Is it bad etiquette to post my Spinnies 1985 submissions here?
In any case:

Top Artist: it can only be Carlos Ezquerra, but my mind is ever blown by his amazing brick statues of the Lords of Drule.
Top Writer: Pat Mills, and specifically for those bits of Time Killer that annoy Fox and Conrad so much. I LIKE the good/evil balance nonsense.
Best overall thrill: The Mean Team! Because I am still my inner 7 year-old self. Never has violent death looked and sounded so much fun. Maximum Kill Points!!
Best month: October - if only because October 1985 is when I read my first ever Prog (but also I have a special love for Two Ton Tony, and Farewell, my Billions - not to mention the mighty Mean Team)
Best Year: you'd think for the reason stated above 1985 would have to rank as my favourite year ever but frankly Helltrekkers and Horst-era Rogue Trooper are so dull I think 1984 has the edge this time.

Best Space Spinner Memories from 2018? Gotta be our genial hosts waxing poetical and practically weeping into their microphones over the glories of Skizz.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 November, 2018, 09:16:41 PM
Thanks! Yeah everyone post your Spinnies here if you want to!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 24 November, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
As with the lasty Spinnies, I am reading along with the podcast and so can only judge the latter part of the year through the covers and my very distant memory of those progs.

Best Writer: John Wagner/Alan Grant
Best Story: Nemesis Book IV
Best Art: Cam Kennedy for Super Surf - especially shooting the O of the Okey Dokey Man
Best Month: July
Biggest improvement: Halo Jones Book 2.



Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 24 November, 2018, 07:03:26 PM
Best writer: Alan Moore
Best artist: Carlos for the Slavers of Drule
Top thrill: Halo Jones
Best month: February

Great work from Conrad, Fox and all the guest hosts.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Huey2 on 25 November, 2018, 09:48:50 PM
Top writer: Wagner/ Grant
Top artist: Belardinelli
Top thrill: Ace Trucking - the most underrated of all 2000ad strips. Fantastic stories totally driven by the characters. And that ending! - one of the top moments of the past 40+ years.
Top month: October
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 November, 2018, 05:39:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/xovT10u.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 431-434 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1985. This week Dredd fights Nosferatu (WRITE HIS NAME IN BLOOD), Rogue gets the antigen, Johnny Alpha takes down the Slavers of Drule, and Ace takes the croakside trip! The fall relaunch is coming, all storylines must end!

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And thanks for all the Spinny nominations! There's a few for days to get them in! Also if you have any tops for what we covered in 2018 (basically 1982 to 1985) I'd love to hear them!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 27 November, 2018, 08:34:16 AM
Loved the reference to kids stuffing their pockets with rocks and holding their breath under water!  This really spoke to me - I was that kid!

When I was 13 or so I went to the bottom of a 12 foot swimming pool, and decided to let air out of my lungs to see if I could stay down there longer.  I almost stayed there permanently!  When I realised my error I kicked up and just managed to grab the bottom rung of the ladder and haul myself out.

Also, they should make one of those kid safety films about not stuffing a forklift palette with polystyrene and using it as a raft on the Water of Leith while wearing a heavy duffel coat and wellies. I almost came a cropper then too, when the polystyrene started escaping from underneath, and the palette flipped me over into the deepest part of that river.  Friends watching on the bank had to wade in and haul me out.

I could list so many other stupid things I did as a child. I am the poster boy of those films.  It's a wonder I made it into adulthood to be honest.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 27 November, 2018, 09:39:13 AM
I wondered where they got the inspiration for Blake Edmonds in Death Wish from.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 27 November, 2018, 09:53:34 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 November, 2018, 09:39:13 AM
I wondered where they got the inspiration for Blake Edmonds in Death Wish from.

I have the looks too!   :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 27 November, 2018, 02:38:52 PM
PS - my record for holding my breath underwater was 2 mins 59 seconds.  I never could crack that 3 minute mark.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 28 November, 2018, 03:21:34 AM
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I'm right.

Top writer: Alan Moore (for The Ballad of Halo Jones, Book II)
Sequels are difficult to do well, but here Halo's universe expands.  The Rat King, the Glyph, Toby's motives, the dance with Lux Roth Chop, the dolphins.  It's all just so fucking good.

Top artist: Glenn Fabry (for his work on Time Killer)
Fabry seemed to be at the top of his game here, with amazing dynamic combat scenes in the arena, and a brand new look for Slaine. 

Top thrill: Judge Dredd - Midnight Surfer
Chopper was last seen as King Scrawler (from Unamerican Graffiti in 1981).  What crazed genius set him on a power board four years later?  It's top notch thrills from the best Dredd writer - the man with the plan - Mr John Wagner himself, and a real treat of art from Cam "Best Hoppers" Kennedy, showing us how to shoot the 'O' in style.

Honorable mentions:
Nemesis Book V: The Vengeance of Thoth by Pat Mills and Bryan Talbot.  Crazy time-traveling soap opera antics with perhaps the two weirdest families in the galaxy and a crazed pet tyrannosaur.

Anderson Psi-Division: Four Dark Judges.  The return of the best supernatural threat ever to darken the doors of Justice Department, and Anderson stepping up for her own series.  Top notch thrillage, smudged slightly by the need for three artists.  Let the dead fluidsss flow!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 December, 2018, 07:09:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hb2vqSF.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 435-438 of 2000AD, covering September and October of 1985. This week Dredd deals with murder-bots and the start of a conspiracy, Nemesis and Robot-Hunter return, and we get to know the Mean Team! Oh, and Tharg is back in the comics.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 December, 2018, 05:33:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/VWV8YG3.png)

In our thrilling hundred thirty-seventh episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1986 2000AD Annual. This is the ninth 2000AD annual and we're seeing a great combination of new stories and classic thrills in these pages. The highlights of this year's annual include an abridged version of classic thrill Shako, and the iconic Apocalypse War Dredd comic strip!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 06 December, 2018, 08:06:26 PM
Thanks Conrad for all your hard work! This is the best podcast out there.

I am still reading along with the show and The Mean Team is better than I remember it. I am wondering if I just confused it with Mean Arena in my memory or whether it goes drastically downhill.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 December, 2018, 08:43:33 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 06 December, 2018, 08:06:26 PM
Thanks Conrad for all your hard work! This is the best podcast out there.

I am still reading along with the show and The Mean Team is better than I remember it. I am wondering if I just confused it with Mean Arena in my memory or whether it goes drastically downhill.

Mean Team gets a bad press (not least from the editorial staff of 2000AD about a decade later, sadly), but I always love an excuse to showcase Belardinelli's imagination.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 December, 2018, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 28 November, 2018, 03:21:34 AM
Top artist: Glenn Fabry (for his work on Time Killer)
Fabry seemed to be at the top of his game here, with amazing dynamic combat scenes in the arena, and a brand new look for Slaine. 


It is good, but gets better for [spoiler]Sláine the King[/spoiler] (spoilered because there's at least on person who might read this who won't know about future developments).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 December, 2018, 09:08:06 PM
I think I ended up spoiling this for Fox in a later episode because Tomb of Terror is in the collection with that name.

And I think maybe it's the second part of Mean Team that's bad? This first section has some good action and the brain transplant stuff is inspired imo. It might also being 80s teens being too cool for sports comics? 😁
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 December, 2018, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 December, 2018, 09:08:06 PM
I think I ended up spoiling this for Fox in a later episode because Tomb of Terror is in the collection with that name.

Though thinking back - doesn't the very first episode foretell where Slaine will end up?  Blame Pat!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 December, 2018, 09:34:56 PM
SMF playing up - had to split my reply into two parts, otherwise it insisted that my reply was empty!


QuoteAnd I think maybe it's the second part of Mean Team that's bad? This first section has some good action and the brain transplant stuff is inspired imo. It might also being 80s teens being too cool for sports comics? 😁

I liked both parts - first was Mean Arena / Inferno-y while the second bit with [spoiler]post-apocalyptic, ruralised Earth[/spoiler] harked back to [spoiler]Meltdown Man[/spoiler].
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 06 December, 2018, 09:46:23 PM
One of the things I love about 2000 AD, and this board, is that there's almost no thrill that's universally either loved or loathed.  Something for everyone.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Tjm86 on 06 December, 2018, 10:10:52 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 06 December, 2018, 09:46:23 PM
One of the things I love about 2000 AD, and this board, is that there's almost no thrill that's universally either loved or loathed.  Something for everyone.

Except 'Crusade' ...

In fact pretty much all of Millar's prog writing falls into that category.  Only artwork ever gives it any breath of life (Silo, I'm looking at you here ... and Robo-Hunter, Mr Hughes).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 06 December, 2018, 10:20:56 PM
I really liked Silo, don't remember Crusade and my opinions on non-Wagner/Grant Robo-Hunter are best left in the padded cell in my brain, gnawing at the walls in pathetic, drooling madness.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 06 December, 2018, 10:38:56 PM
Mean Team is such an odd-one, like the switch from Blackhawk in Tornado to the Space Arena (or even the space arena to Silversun)

I guess maybe it was because sports strips fell out of favour a little, I don't know if 'The Beast' was pulling extra duties, with Robohunter, Dredd, Strontium Dog and Mean Team was the one that he didn't have much invested in, so Alan Hebden just took over.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 December, 2018, 01:10:25 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 06 December, 2018, 10:20:56 PM
I really liked Silo, don't remember Crusade and my opinions on non-Wagner/Grant Robo-Hunter are best left in the padded cell in my brain, gnawing at the walls in pathetic, drooling madness.


Mark Millar, Mick Austin on art, something about Vatican judges, who are nowhere near as interesting as Vatican paranormal investigators.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 December, 2018, 01:12:00 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 06 December, 2018, 10:20:56 PM
I really liked Silo, don't remember Crusade and my opinions on non-Wagner/Grant Robo-Hunter are best left in the padded cell in my brain, gnawing at the walls in pathetic, drooling madness.

I think even with non-Wagner and Grant Robohunter, you still have Casanovas and Hughes art to raise it a little (perhaps if somebody went through them and made up new dialogue - or just removed what's there already).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 07 December, 2018, 09:44:26 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 06 December, 2018, 09:46:23 PM
One of the things I love about 2000 AD, and this board, is that there's almost no thrill that's universally either loved or loathed.  Something for everyone.

This, so very this.

Oh and I really like Silo and the first Manic Five as well.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 08 December, 2018, 11:03:30 PM
Thursday's 1986 Annual show was great - more non-British co-hosts please! It is always entertaining to hear the perspective of people who are new to it.

It was interesting that Zane thought the annual itself was a nice introduction to the wider 2000ad stable. I think this was also partly the point of these annuals. I certainly had annuals given to me for things I hadn't read, and if I liked them enough I would be willing to check out the weekly comic.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 December, 2018, 02:52:44 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 06 December, 2018, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 December, 2018, 09:08:06 PM
I think I ended up spoiling this for Fox in a later episode because Tomb of Terror is in the collection with that name.

Though thinking back - doesn't the very first episode foretell where Slaine will end up?  Blame Pat!

Very first line of Slaine in Prog 330: "And so it begins... the saga of Slaine Mac Roth of the Sessair - mercenary, cattle-rustler and battle-smiter, who rose to become a legendary king of the tribes of the earth goddess."
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 December, 2018, 06:40:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/O6BWSnz.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 431-434 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1985. This week Dredd deals with fatties, Nemesis and Torquemada team up, Mean Team hits 5000, and Sam Slade cracks up!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 11 December, 2018, 03:59:34 PM
If there was a category in the Spinnies for "comment most likely to come back and bite you in the ass" it's gotta be Fox's: "Mean Team - well I'm not hating this yet!" I find the art on Mean Team to be a long way below Belardinelli's best - when he's dealing with (mainly) humans rather than crazy aliens, his figures and composition are a bit static, it doesn't play to his strengths.

And I must lodge a complaint: I'm fine with American English having different words and spellings for some things (even the bizarre way you guys pronounce 'buoy') but in this latest episode, you committed the unforgivable sin, the one that sets my teeth on edge and cannot be explained by cultural differences as it's just plain wrong. I refer of course to LEGOS - the toy is called Lego (singular) and is composed of different sized Lego bricks (or blocks or pieces) but each piece is not called 'a Lego' and there is no plural of that word (rant over!)

This podcast has become part of my Monday ritual - I get in from work, pull out the relevant progs and read along. Keep up the great work - we've got Halo Jones III, plus some fantastic Nemesis and Strontium Dog action coming up, which I can't wait for.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 11 December, 2018, 04:14:08 PM
I'm wondering what a Dwedd story with hundreds of Walters in an attempt to dwive Dwedd (and Fox) cwazy would be like.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 December, 2018, 08:59:14 PM
My whole life they've been legos! Also I assure you Americans find the English pronunciation of "buoy" equally perplexing. Also: we've got some hot Mean Team takes coming down the pipeline!

And, hundweds of Walters? That would weally be tewwible!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 11 December, 2018, 10:13:02 PM
I'm British but teach math (not maths) to Americans, and it confuses the fuck out of them when I refer to 0.5 as "nought point five" because they think I'm saying "not point five".  I should say "zero point five".

Some things I've learned to change (like pronouncing tulip as two-lip, rather than chew-lip), but nought is too far ingrained to shift.

And then there's Arkansas.  And Boise.  And Butte.  And bangs.  And lifts.  And pants.  And rubbers.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 December, 2018, 12:43:31 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 December, 2018, 08:59:14 PM
My whole life they've been legos! Also I assure you Americans find the English pronunciation of "buoy" equally perplexing. Also: we've got some hot Mean Team takes coming down the pipeline!

And, hundweds of Walters? That would weally be tewwible!


The wascal, putting the idea of a pwofusion of Walters in my bwain.  I'm afwaid that this kind of twope might pwedominate.  Let us not west in our stwuggle to pwevent such an occuwence from twanspiwing.  We must pwevail!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 December, 2018, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 12 December, 2018, 12:43:31 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 December, 2018, 08:59:14 PM
My whole life they've been legos! Also I assure you Americans find the English pronunciation of "buoy" equally perplexing. Also: we've got some hot Mean Team takes coming down the pipeline!

And, hundweds of Walters? That would weally be tewwible!


The wascal, putting the idea of a pwofusion of Walters in my bwain.  I'm afwaid that this kind of twope might pwedominate.  Let us not west in our stwuggle to pwevent such an occuwence from twanspiwing.  We must pwevail!

I felt like Chekov after writing that - now where's that nuclear wessel?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 December, 2018, 12:47:55 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 12 December, 2018, 12:44:52 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 12 December, 2018, 12:43:31 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 December, 2018, 08:59:14 PM
My whole life they've been legos! Also I assure you Americans find the English pronunciation of "buoy" equally perplexing. Also: we've got some hot Mean Team takes coming down the pipeline!

And, hundweds of Walters? That would weally be tewwible!


The wascal, putting the idea of a pwofusion of Walters in my bwain.  I'm afwaid that this kind of twope might pwedominate.  Let us not west in our stwuggle to pwevent such an occuwence from twanspiwing.  We must pwevail!

I felt like Chekov after writing that - now where's that nuclear wessel?

(further clarification - Pavel Chekov played by Walter Koenig and Anton Yelchin, not Anton Chekhov,played by Anton Checkhov).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 December, 2018, 07:06:38 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VXNGnDv.jpg)

n our action-packed fifth episode Jason and Conrad continue their journey through the pages of the infamous classic comic with issues 13-15 of Action! This episode the Action keeps increasing, as new story Death Game 1999 begins and Hookjaw returns!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 December, 2018, 06:24:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/C8XX7U9.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and thirty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 443-446 of 2000AD, covering November of 1985. This week Nemesis travels to the time wastes, the Strontium Dogs are in a tight spot, it's a hard time for mayors in Mega-City One, and Rogue Trooper once again returns to Mili-Com!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 17 December, 2018, 09:09:47 PM
'Rage' - you are so cruel Conrad!  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 18 December, 2018, 07:04:47 PM
Space Spinner has hit my entry-point Progs, it's a special kind of Christmas treat!
And yes, Mean Team (Book 1) is just about the best thing ever, no arguments to be brooked.
To be fair to Alan Hebden, just like Mills on Slaine, 'the Beast' sets up from the off that the Mean Team are destined to save Earth...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 December, 2018, 09:53:59 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 December, 2018, 09:09:47 PM
'Rage' - you are so cruel Conrad!  :lol:

*heh*
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 December, 2018, 09:01:27 PM
Loving this podcast more and more BUT highlight for me was for once not Prg related. I loved the conversation about Marvel Superheroes RPG. This was my RPG. I mean I played some ADnD, some Dredd and others BUT it was Marvel we always went back to. Such a great game and the universal table system just made it so flexible and easy to adapt to suit.

Loved it. I always remember that Nightcrawler advert for the game. I knew it before I knew anything about the character (he became a firm favourite of mine) and always wondered why they choose that picture. I mean he's carrying a large pane of glass right?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 December, 2018, 03:15:38 AM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 17 December, 2018, 09:09:47 PM
'Rage' - you are so cruel Conrad!  :lol:

I apologize for nothing!

Quote from: AlexF on 18 December, 2018, 07:04:47 PM
Space Spinner has hit my entry-point Progs, it's a special kind of Christmas treat!
And yes, Mean Team (Book 1) is just about the best thing ever, no arguments to be brooked.
To be fair to Alan Hebden, just like Mills on Slaine, 'the Beast' sets up from the off that the Mean Team are destined to save Earth...

We've really enjoyed it! Yes it's silly and over the top, but that's what I'm looking for sometimes!

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 December, 2018, 09:01:27 PM
Loving this podcast more and more BUT highlight for me was for once not Prg related. I loved the conversation about Marvel Superheroes RPG. This was my RPG. I mean I played some ADnD, some Dredd and others BUT it was Marvel we always went back to. Such a great game and the universal table system just made it so flexible and easy to adapt to suit.

Loved it. I always remember that Nightcrawler advert for the game. I knew it before I knew anything about the character (he became a firm favourite of mine) and always wondered why they choose that picture. I mean he's carrying a large pane of glass right?

Nice! Like I said on the show I mostly got the sourcebooks, big tomes of superhero histories and descriptions! We aren't talking about it a ton, but there are soooo many rpg ads in the progs at this point, for a bunch of different things. Good times if you're that kind of nerd!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 December, 2018, 09:23:46 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and fortieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 447-450 of 2000AD, covering December of 1985. This week it's Christmas time in Mega-City 1, Johnny Alpha and Wulf party in the past, Rogue Trooper faces a new threat, and at long last we enter the Tomb of Terror! Also Conrad has to be very quiet this episode, so let's keep it a secret between us!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 24 December, 2018, 11:30:51 PM
Opened my Christmas present early! Good stuff and I echo your sentiments regarding the loss of GFD. I believe  Pat Mills would tell you that GFD is the unsung hero of the rejuvenation of British comics in the 70s, having succesfully resuscitated Girls comics (Tammy in particular?) before Wagner and Mills had even arrived and it was his inspiration that somewhat guided Pat in how to do the same with Boys comics?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 December, 2018, 05:42:41 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-first episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1985. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1985 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1986 from both 2000AD and our show!

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Also, we're planning a special 2018 Year in Review show for the early new year, and want to do an AMA (Ask Me Anything) as part of it! So if you've got any questions you'd like to ask Conrad or Fox about anything from our personal lives to 2000AD to whatever else, please feel free to ask! You can submit questions through any of our social media, here on the forums, or through our email at spacespinner2000@gmail.com. Thanks, and happy new year!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 December, 2018, 06:10:18 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 24 December, 2018, 11:30:51 PM
Opened my Christmas present early! Good stuff and I echo your sentiments regarding the loss of GFD. I believe  Pat Mills would tell you that GFD is the unsung hero of the rejuvenation of British comics in the 70s, having succesfully resuscitated Girls comics (Tammy in particular?) before Wagner and Mills had even arrived and it was his inspiration that somewhat guided Pat in how to do the same with Boys comics?

I think that's right, I've read an article by Mills hailing his writing talent which I really appreciated (https://www.millsverse.com/10-of-the-best-celebrating-some-of-2000ads-unsung-heroes/ (https://www.millsverse.com/10-of-the-best-celebrating-some-of-2000ads-unsung-heroes/)). It's a good antidote to how he's presented in the Thrill Power Overload book, which I really like, but IMO portrays GFD as little more than a bumbling outsider who needed more copy editing that he was worth. That's a bummer for me, because like I say on the show, he's written some of my favorite stuff!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 27 December, 2018, 04:06:04 PM
We invented baseball (says a person who wasn't around in 1744), but we call it rounders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders), and it only gets played in elementary school.  All that tobacco-chewing isn't really good for their teeth, but hey.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 27 December, 2018, 05:26:10 PM
The catwoman from Meltdown Man is Liana!

Funnily enough I was playing Black & White yesterday - when my pet cat grows up they're going to be like tiger commander :-)

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/blackandwhite/images/0/09/Tiger_Alignments_Small.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20120628020134)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 December, 2018, 07:37:46 PM
Haha excellent! I was a huge fan of the first Black & White, and actually worked on the second one and it's expansion pack. I even made it into the credits of the expansion! I was more of a turtle man myself, I love an evil turtle.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 29 December, 2018, 02:36:00 PM
The liberal Cadet Judge Steel is a reference to the then leader of the Liberal Party (or whatever it was called that week) David Steel.

Alzo vorth noting dat Johnny Alpha is speaking Norse during der flashbacks during 'Der Ragnorak Job', so just this vunce Vulf is not haffink der Gothik accent (Johnny might possibly have a comedy accent that we can't hear instead, though.  He does come from Wiltshire, after all).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 29 December, 2018, 08:22:22 PM
Reading onwards to keep up with the show I can see we are close to McGruder resigning. The bit where she holds her last council of five meeting is excellent and I hope it gets noticed by Conrad and Fox. Probably about 2 Mondays from now.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 December, 2018, 08:42:59 PM
Your reckoning is correct! Regime change coming to MC-1 soon!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 December, 2018, 09:18:32 PM
Caught up with some post X-mas listening and while I was a numbnut and missed adding to the spinnies input I was so glad to see Cam Kennedy getting the art nod. I was actually going to save that vote for next year as I think his work in 1986 is even better but really heartening to see him get the credit from folks who aren't as much as a dumbass as me and actually get there votes in in time!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 29 December, 2018, 11:02:48 PM
Here's one for that 'ask me anything' segment:

Did you reply to Eamonn Clarke's Top 10 list challenge, and if so, what were your guys's top 10 Dredd and non-Dredd stories?

(Although I appreciate Conrad may not want to divulge his opinion of stories yet to come in Fox's reading timeline).

In a more personal vein:
What are both of your 'comics reading' origin stories?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 December, 2018, 01:42:16 AM
I think for a lot of the questions we're getting I'm going to have to answer as two different people: bright eyed optimistic 1986 Conrad, and jaded pessimistic 2019 Conrad.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 30 December, 2018, 03:34:38 AM
I imagine you as Maverick and Goose.  Are you actually Conrad "Ace" Gessner and Brant "Fox" Brando, an aviator and navigator team of the US Navy?

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/33/3e/30/333e3077d2e8a29ddb01f8c13e1b9766--top-gun-movie-best-top.jpg)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 December, 2018, 06:08:27 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 30 December, 2018, 03:34:38 AM
I imagine you as Maverick and Goose.  Are you actually Conrad "Ace" Gessner and Brant "Fox" Brando, an aviator and navigator team of the US Navy?

I like to think of us a Iceman and Slider myself. Also, you should get excited for episode 156!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 December, 2018, 10:24:23 AM
I'd also like to know how you first stumbled over Tharg's mighty works.  As Americans and with at least Fox in his 30s, compared to the bulk of us 40 somethings (at best!) that makes you outliers in the general audience of middle aged Brits.  It's long held belief that the USA don't "get" 2000AD and that young(er) people don't either - any opinions on why that might be (if you agree with it!)? 

Possibly following on from that, if you were Tharg for the day/week/year, what would you do (You can do this as 1986 Tharg or today Tharg)?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 December, 2018, 06:12:03 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 451-454 of 2000AD, covering January of 1986. This week we'll fight the Warlord with Judge Dredd, continue through the Tomb of Terror with Sláine , adventure in the past with the Strontium Dogs, come back to life with Ace Trucking, and join the space army with Halo Jones!

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Also I love how our last two episodes show some real highs and lows for Ms. Jones!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 31 December, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
i am curious as to how much fox knows of what is coming as the 90s moves ever closer like a horror movie serial killer. i am sure conrad knows of the horrors to come

this ones for conrad of the next few years you need to cover what are you looking forward to both personally and for foxes reaction

also i'll ask the obvious questions

what is the absolute worse thing you've encountered thus far

has your opinions on some earlier stuff you may have been cold to changed or the oposite is something you liked in hindsight not as good

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 January, 2019, 05:40:23 AM
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In our action-packed sixth episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with issues 16-18 of Action! This time Hookjaw is ready for his close up, Lefty is ready to score, Dredger is ready to quit, and the Running Man is ready to take a break!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 January, 2019, 12:16:08 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 455-458 of 2000AD, covering February of 1986. This week there's a new Chief Judge in Mega-City One, the god awakes in the Tomb of Terror, the Dave Cluck Five arrives on the Speedo Ghost, the Strontium Dogs fight trolls, and Halo Jones is back in the army!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 January, 2019, 07:40:41 AM
Arh that image is so burnt into my mind. I'm not Belardinelli's biggest fan but Ace Trucking is the perfect strip for him and I remember being so blown away by this picture and stirring at it for ages.

Anyway superb show as ever you folks. A little additional background that I don't think you picked up on. Adrian Cockroach is based, at least as a starting point on 'The Diary of Adrian Mole aged 13 3/4' and subsequent books by Sue Townsend. It was massive in the UK back in the day and was the diary and musing of a 13 year old boy, not an actual mole alas. I loved the books as a boy.

Also interesting to note that while John Higgins didn't do much in 2000ad prior to this point his first work in the Prog was actually the cover of Prog 43!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 January, 2019, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 08 January, 2019, 07:40:41 AM
Anyway superb show as ever you folks. A little additional background that I don't think you picked up on. Adrian Cockroach is based, at least as a starting point on 'The Diary of Adrian Mole aged 13 3/4' and subsequent books by Sue Townsend. It was massive in the UK back in the day and was the diary and musing of a 13 year old boy, not an actual mole alas. I loved the books as a boy.

Funnily enough currently being serialised on Radio Four (one of the subsequent books): Adrian Mole: the Cappuccino Years (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0001t9k).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 08 January, 2019, 06:55:01 PM
Every time I use super glue I recall that Adrian Mole super-glued a model airplane to his nose whilst experimenting with sniffing.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 09 January, 2019, 08:19:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EipdAjhImrc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EipdAjhImrc)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 January, 2019, 09:29:33 PM
Yeah I missed a really embarrassing amount of references this episode! Bad times indeed!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 January, 2019, 07:38:35 AM
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In a special bonus episode Fox and Conrad discuss that the year in thrills in a wide-ranging discussion about 2000AD from the years 1982 to 1985! It's a specifically unstructured conversation, with a surprising amount of Mean Arena discussion. After that we go to your questions! You asked us anything and we're doing our best to A your Qs, with very interesting results.

Also, today we're saddened by the death of classic Judge Dredd artist Ron Smith. We'll talk more about him as a creator on the show, but for now we send condolences to his family and hope he rests in peace.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 12 January, 2019, 09:01:42 AM
Thanks Conrad, that was great fun - really good.

One thing that was touched on in the show was the enormous amount of work that goes into this podcast. I think this shows through in the quality and consistent frequency of the content and this is very much appreciated. It was nice that Fox commented on Conrads hard working dedication and honest nature as I think this does shine through. Thank you ever-so-much Conrad!

The 90s - I wasn't there with the prog as I stopped reading due to life (University, job, etc) rather than due to quality. I have bought the JD Case Files and saw a rough patch from the 90's volumes but they are not all bad. I picked up Luke Kirby from the recent sale and that is great and Sinister Dexter and Nikolai Dante easily match or better classic strips like Rogue Trooper or Ace Trucking. So, yes, you are right there will be good and bad when you get there.

Films / TV adaptions - This was discussed a lot and there is enthusiasm on this board too for this. I am happy for the comics to stay as comics, being probably the only person on this board who hasn't seen the 2012 Dredd film. I love the Sherlock Holmes books and always avoid any tv/film adaptions, not because of any concerns over quality but because the books are good enough for me and they are a direct thing between Conan Doyle and the reader.
Comics are similar for me, with two creators having their story reach you directly. When they mix in comedy with the action I like to think the writer and artist had a good laugh about it and agreed it would be great to put it in, and I like it when an artist sneaks in little things on the side that probably weren't in the script.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 12 January, 2019, 09:14:40 AM
I can't wait for the 90s, as I think the Podcast will enter a Golden Age!  So much to talk about, good and bad, with so much more to discuss - and in podcast time, we will have what? - maybe a tad over a year of strong wobble? 91 to 95? The gems will shine, illuminating the awful - fun times!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 12 January, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
isn't a more modern version of death planet the first story of zombo
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 January, 2019, 05:34:14 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 12 January, 2019, 09:01:42 AM
One thing that was touched on in the show was the enormous amount of work that goes into this podcast. I think this shows through in the quality and consistent frequency of the content and this is very much appreciated. It was nice that Fox commented on Conrads hard working dedication and honest nature as I think this does shine through. Thank you ever-so-much Conrad!

You're very welcome, I love doing the show, so its no bother at all!

Quote from: Leigh S on 12 January, 2019, 09:14:40 AM
I can't wait for the 90s, as I think the Podcast will enter a Golden Age!  So much to talk about, good and bad, with so much more to discuss - and in podcast time, we will have what? - maybe a tad over a year of strong wobble? 91 to 95? The gems will shine, illuminating the awful - fun times!

Yeah, based on our current schedule a year of progs takes 13 months (though that will go up to 15 in 1988 when two new Specials are added). So the years everyone dreads (Dredds?) will be a bit more than a calendar year, probably mid 2020 to 2021 (which still seem like SciFi years to me).

Quote from: The Monarch on 12 January, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
isn't a more modern version of death planet the first story of zombo

I'll take your word for it, Zombo is squarely in the undiscovered thrill zone for me! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 January, 2019, 07:35:38 AM
Listened to this laast night - brilliant fun, just brilliant. Can you both be my cooler big brothers?*

Sorry I didn't get a question in this time but defo know what I will ask next time. So now you have all the motivation you can possibly need to do this again for 2019.

*Well yes I am markedly older than you both but we don't let reality get in the way of daft desire these days do we!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 13 January, 2019, 09:04:21 PM
I have to confess that one reason I love this show so much is that you broadly agree with my own opinion of virtually every strip,* and who doesn't love an echo chamber. It's enough to make me believe there's some objective truth in critical evaluation of comics. So I'm waiting to see if that continues into the delightful 90s, which I have much fondness for.

*ie all of it is is super fun. Minor disagreements: I've little love for Helltrekkers, even the art, and I have a strong love for the early days of Rogue Trooper, which you both seemed to like less than the mid-period stuff. I think we can all agree it started tailing off around the time of Colonel Kovert.

The hard work is always appreciated, and as someone who maintains single blog on which I barely manage one post per month, the nailed on weekly / bi-weekly schedule is a wonder to behold!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 14 January, 2019, 12:47:02 AM
Who knows - you guys might like the 90s. Already, you're enjoying things like Mean Team and The Dopplegarp, more than I did at the time. Maybe it's a factor that a lot of the original readership (who are now middle aged guys like me) were getting into their late teens, going to college, and just thought they were too cool for 90s 2000AD.

It'll be fascinating to get your take on it. And like others have said, there's usually at least one really good thing going on: plus, the Megazine. I should have asked: are you planning to cover that? And if so, what does that 21.69% go down to..?  :D

(PS: how do you pronounce 'buoyant'?)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 January, 2019, 05:58:08 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 459-462 of 2000AD, covering March of 1986. This week Halo Jones fights the Fast-Forward War, Johnny Alpha gets to the chopper, the chicken agents get HIGH, the Kneepad Kid returns to Judge Dredd, and we reach the end of the Tomb of Terror!

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Quote from: Andy B on 14 January, 2019, 12:47:02 AM
It'll be fascinating to get your take on it. And like others have said, there's usually at least one really good thing going on: plus, the Megazine. I should have asked: are you planning to cover that? And if so, what does that 21.69% go down to..?  :D

(PS: how do you pronounce 'buoyant'?)

We actually talk about it vaguely this episode. We are planning to cover the Meg, definitely as a different show (sort of like the current ReAction episodes), and there may be some RSS feed shenanigans coming up when it starts. But at our current pace we won't get to fall 1990 until spring 2020, and I've made a pact with myself to not start working on it too much until we're closer to the start of the Meg. Of course, with 30 years of the Megazine vs 40 years of the Progs the % will go up faster for the new show ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 14 January, 2019, 02:18:03 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 January, 2019, 05:58:08 AM
We are planning to cover the Meg, definitely as a different show

It's good times!

By the way, I very much enjoyed the latest episode of 'Stranger by the Dozen' (although hopefully getting bored of the 90s and skipping 20 years isn't a precedent...). They're some fun comics it wouldn't otherwise have occurred to me to read. Because 2000ad creators mainly went to DC, I never got into Marvel, so this podcast is an interesting way to do that. Recommended!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 14 January, 2019, 09:47:59 PM
I think the root problem of 2000AD in the 90s (and hey, not just 2000AD, it was endemic) was it was trying so fucking hard to be cool - sneering at the previous tastes of the readership seemed like a valid way to achieve top-cool - so while we are steeped in mid 80s Metal/RPG here, by the 90s, 2000AD is embarassed by it's old record collection and D&D source books and pretending like it was always on-trend and get away from me you sad losers in denim jackets with your poor personal hygiene and bags of dice - Tharg has GONE RAVIN'!

But that's a debate for the time!  For now, strap on your Brodeswodes and let's mosh!

Quote from: Andy B on 14 January, 2019, 12:47:02 AM
Who knows - you guys might like the 90s. Already, you're enjoying things like Mean Team and The Dopplegarp, more than I did at the time. Maybe it's a factor that a lot of the original readership (who are now middle aged guys like me) were getting into their late teens, going to college, and just thought they were too cool for 90s 2000AD.

It'll be fascinating to get your take on it. And like others have said, there's usually at least one really good thing going on: plus, the Megazine. I should have asked: are you planning to cover that? And if so, what does that 21.69% go down to..?  :D

(PS: how do you pronounce 'buoyant'?)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 January, 2019, 05:52:22 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 14 January, 2019, 02:18:03 PM
By the way, I very much enjoyed the latest episode of 'Stranger by the Dozen' (although hopefully getting bored of the 90s and skipping 20 years isn't a precedent...). They're some fun comics it wouldn't otherwise have occurred to me to read. Because 2000ad creators mainly went to DC, I never got into Marvel, so this podcast is an interesting way to do that. Recommended!

Thanks! I few up reading mostly Marvel, so most DC comics are unknown to me, except where I did weird deep dives (I've read way more Swamp Thing and Hellblazer than Batman or Superman, for instance). And yeah, no plans to jump ahead for Space Spinner, especially because 2000AD doesn't have any handy complete restarts that would make such a jump convenient.

Also, for the record I pronounce it "boy-ant" and that fact is making me question a fair amount of my lifestyle.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 15 January, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
Couple of clarifications on the reader art - the "Stephen Hawking kinda guy" is another reference to The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole (referenced in the Dredd cockroach story last ep) and "Prime Dread" is prime minister Margaret Thatcher.

I'd forgotten how much fun Tomb of Terror was - 2000ad hasn't always been great with in-comic games - loads of over-complicated board games with hundreds of fiddly pieces to cut out - but this foray into RPG was well designed and worked pretty well. Do you plan to do the Diceman specials at some point?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 18 January, 2019, 04:03:52 AM
am i a horrible human being for looking forward to foxes reaction on mondays episode i mean the end of halo AND that shock ending to stront i wonder which will break him
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 18 January, 2019, 10:02:40 PM
The thing I am most looking forward to is the Dead Man reveal. I didn't experience it myself, but it must have been quite a moment for readers who were there at the time - probably the biggest thing since the Apocalypse War.

I suppose we have a few years to wait for this.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 January, 2019, 10:43:39 PM
Yeah that's not until 89/90 I think. Still a ways to go!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 20 January, 2019, 11:44:23 PM
i'ld say about a year our time
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 January, 2019, 03:51:07 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 463-466 of 2000AD, covering March and April of 1986. This week Ace Trucking is in disguise, Johnny Alpha is in trouble, Judge Dredd is in the Griblig business, and Halo Jones is out, just out.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 22 January, 2019, 06:29:12 PM
So glad you found the inappropriate advert under the corpses of our most beloved childhood heroes as hilarious as I do! 

Alan Moore's star was rising at this point, and he was doing creator owned (or work he thought would become creator owned (*shakes fist at DC*), so his antipathy towards 2000AD at this point makes sense.  That level of success put him in a position where he really could walk away on a matter of principle, and regularly has!  Won't be long before he makes his feeling plain in prog 500s Tharg's Head Revisited strip?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 23 January, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 18 January, 2019, 10:02:40 PM
The thing I am most looking forward to is the Dead Man reveal. I didn't experience it myself, but it must have been quite a moment for readers who were there at the time - probably the biggest thing since the Apocalypse War.

I'd say the revelation that [spoiler]Nemesis[/spoiler] is [spoiler]Deadlock[/spoiler] was quite a shock!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2019, 08:46:04 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 23 January, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 18 January, 2019, 10:02:40 PM
The thing I am most looking forward to is the Dead Man reveal. I didn't experience it myself, but it must have been quite a moment for readers who were there at the time - probably the biggest thing since the Apocalypse War.

I'd say the revelation that [spoiler]Nemesis[/spoiler] is [spoiler]Deadlock[/spoiler] was quite a shock!

That one doesn't stick for long though, does it?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 24 January, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
I assume that the 'pears in a bitter vinegar sauce' are actually pears poached in red wine but Halo doesn't know what red wine is. You can take the girl out of the Hoop, but you can't take the Hoop out of the girl...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 January, 2019, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 23 January, 2019, 08:46:04 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 23 January, 2019, 12:15:28 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 18 January, 2019, 10:02:40 PM
The thing I am most looking forward to is the Dead Man reveal. I didn't experience it myself, but it must have been quite a moment for readers who were there at the time - probably the biggest thing since the Apocalypse War.

I'd say the revelation that [spoiler]Nemesis[/spoiler] is [spoiler]Deadlock[/spoiler] was quite a shock!

That one doesn't stick for long though, does it?

For me that's less of a twist because it's not like you see him running around doing stuff and then he takes off his mask and reveals is true identity, you know?

Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 24 January, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
I assume that the 'pears in a bitter vinegar sauce' are actually pears poached in red wine but Halo doesn't know what red wine is. You can take the girl out of the Hoop, but you can't take the Hoop out of the girl...

Oh that's super fair!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 January, 2019, 06:31:07 PM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-sixth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1986 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special has some great stories featuring Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper, and some classic Strontium Dog action!

This episode Conrad is joined by Drew of the Stranger by the Dozen podcast! You can find both Drew and Conrad there, recapping the adventures of the Marvel Comics character Doctor Stephen Strange!

Find his show at:
https://soundcloud.com/strangerbythedozen (https://soundcloud.com/strangerbythedozen)

Drew is new to the world of 2000AD, Judge Dredd, and British Comics in general, so Conrad takes some time to introduce him to the Galaxy's Greatest! If you're new to 2000AD or to the podcast, this is a great place to start!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: QuickQuag on 29 January, 2019, 08:37:52 AM

"... Rich Lady Garden..."

<snigger>  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 03 February, 2019, 12:26:35 PM
I have been reading ahead a bit and am at the Kenny Who story. It is probably too late to say this for recording the Podcast but the man in the bar Kenny Who gets drunk with bears a striking resemblance to John Wagner. Considering the story is an affectionate nod to Cam Kennedy's experience in the US, perhaps this is him returning the complement to JW.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 03 February, 2019, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 03 February, 2019, 12:26:35 PM
I have been reading ahead a bit and am at the Kenny Who story. It is probably too late to say this for recording the Podcast but the man in the bar Kenny Who gets drunk with bears a striking resemblance to John Wagner. Considering the story is an affectionate nod to Cam Kennedy's experience in the US, perhaps this is him returning the complement to JW.

Of course, Cam Kennedy also bears a resemblace to - and sounds like - JW. IMO...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 February, 2019, 06:54:03 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-seventh episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1987 Judge Dredd Annual. This is the seventh Dredd Annual, and we have three new full color Dredd stories drawn by Ian Gibson, Brendan McCarthy, and Bryan Talbot, as well as classic Dredd, some features, and a Brett Ewins Max Normal tale.

This episode Conrad is joined by friend of the show and 2000AD and Dredd fan Jo Eadie!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 04 February, 2019, 10:52:48 PM
Henry Ford returns in two stories!  Both long form Daily Star Dredds:

The first of these(The imaginitavely titled "The Cursed Earth") has been reprinted in Vol 2 of the Daily Star Dredds - glorious Gibson art

The second story is sadly awaiting Vol 3  but is my favourite: "The Sheriff of Festering Hole" features Mike Collins art and some brilliant Dredd shenanigans as Dredd becomes Sheriff of an outlaw infested town and has to employ various dirty tricks to clear them out "What xactly does he mean by excessive facial hair?"  Genius!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 February, 2019, 12:54:09 AM
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In our action-packed seventh episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with issues 19-21 of Action! This time we head out on Hell's Highway, Lefty sells some gnomes, Dredger checks out the Olympics, and Hookjaw goes to a nice restaurant!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 February, 2019, 06:36:32 PM
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In our thrilling hundred forty-eighth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1987 2000AD Annual. This is the tenth 2000AD annual and we're seeing a great combination of new stories and classic thrills in these pages. The highlights of this year's annual include the classic Ro-Busters story The Terra-Meks, stories of a young Strontium Dog, and some undercover work in Mega-City One!

This episode Conrad is joined by 2000AD super fan Dave Wynn, aka Scowling Monkey!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 11 February, 2019, 08:37:40 PM
Apologies in advance for having the mic WAY too close to my mouth.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 11 February, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
Space Spinner 2000 has reached Livin' on a prayer?
No way.

Yes way.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 February, 2019, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 11 February, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
Space Spinner 2000 has reached Livin' on a prayer?


I thought we'd only be about...

...we'd be half way there...

...at most
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 11 February, 2019, 09:56:51 PM
Had to google the annual cover, which is not a good sign, as I immediately new exactly what the other covers were you discussed either side - If it was about money, why not get O'Neill to do the cover, and Smith could have done the interior page?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 12 February, 2019, 10:09:20 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 11 February, 2019, 09:56:51 PM
Had to google the annual cover, which is not a good sign, as I immediately new exactly what the other covers were you discussed either side - If it was about money, why not get O'Neill to do the cover, and Smith could have done the interior page?

Yeah, definitely an odd choice. What a blistering cover it could have been with O'Neill on the front!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 12 February, 2019, 02:10:04 PM
Presumably Smith didn't have to pay himself for that (and various other) covers, given he was art editor at the time...
For sure there's a lost of cost-saving going on in these annuals, kinda like the reverse of the current trend of saving up money to splurge on the end-of-year 100 page beasts!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 12 February, 2019, 04:46:59 PM
but he still had to pay Kev for a full page of art - why not make that the cover?  I'm not entirely convinced Smith would have done the cover for nothing - some saving maybe, but no artist should accept no reimbursment for their time

Quote from: AlexF on 12 February, 2019, 02:10:04 PM
Presumably Smith didn't have to pay himself for that (and various other) covers, given he was art editor at the time...
For sure there's a lost of cost-saving going on in these annuals, kinda like the reverse of the current trend of saving up money to splurge on the end-of-year 100 page beasts!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 February, 2019, 06:27:45 PM
I'll mention that by 1986 Robin Smith wasn't art editor, I think that position was eliminated with budget cuts in '85? This is just me making up things about how comics work, but I'd bet they had him draw a couple different covers they were able to reuse here, that seems very in-line with MacManus's policies about building backlogs. Similarly I wonder if the table of contents page wasn't from some other work and repurposed for the annual, or was a piece submitted for one of the previous annual table of contents (O'Neill also did that page for the 85 annual, with Torquemada). You couldn't really use this one for the cover, because it's just a cool giant cyber dude.

And yeah, from what I've read the annuals were always big money makers no matter the quality, so the feeling by management was to make them as cheaply as possible to maximize profit. MacManus talks about fighting to get as much money as possible for the first Dredd annual.

(https://i.imgur.com/ojIYcTY.png)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 12 February, 2019, 06:55:33 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 11 February, 2019, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 11 February, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
Space Spinner 2000 has reached Livin' on a prayer?


I thought we'd only be about...

...we'd be half way there...

...at most

Woah! Nice work, sir. 👏
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 12 February, 2019, 07:22:40 PM
Should have made myelf clearer - if you are paying Kev O'Neill to do a  colour picture, ask him to do the cover instead with Dredd et al - neither image is super detailed so while you might have had to pay him a bit more, it would have been an improvement on that lack lustre cover - it actually looks  like  a rough/composite of other drawings.

I might also have a bit of a downer on this annual for lacking a killer story - 1986 had the wonderful "Beast of Milton Keynes", while 88 gets "She-Devils", "Complaint" AND "Torquemada's Second Honeymoon"!

The Dredd annual is also the weakest this year, with the McCarthy Dredd doing all the heavy lifting - next year we get one of my favourite annual stories with "Last of the Bad Guys".

Seems a shame that they have this blip with the annuals when the Prog is otherwise on fire,,, Maybe Dice Man is a drain on the talent, in the smaller way than we will see when Crisis and the Megazine come along and put pressure on an already leaky talent pool!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 14 February, 2019, 10:24:28 AM
Is that O'Neill robot dude in fact the Alan Moore droid showing Tharg the red card?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 February, 2019, 05:49:29 AM
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The end is here! It's the fourteenth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

We've all found ourselves in fairly generic sci-fi settings, exploring new life and new civilizations and all that. But what happens if instead of finding more dudes with weird ears and foreheads you found a planet covered in ice, with dead people and literal demons frozen in the glaciers? What if your story about the machinations of space pirates suddenly runs afoul of zombies and demonic babies? What if your story about being the handsome chosen one in a battle of galactic fate gets sidetracked, and instead you find yourself irreparable scarred and wishing for a death that cannot come, your only compassion an anti-social robot that is actually pretty cool with helping other robots kill all humans? All this and more make Return to Armageddon an amazing story! It's certainly a minor early 2000AD thrill, but if you listen tour giddiness about it, I think you'll see why it's a Space Spinner classic!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 February, 2019, 12:45:17 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 February, 2019, 05:49:29 AM
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The end is here! It's the fourteenth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

We've all found ourselves in fairly generic sci-fi settings, exploring new life and new civilizations and all that. But what happens if instead of finding more dudes with weird ears and foreheads you found a planet covered in ice, with dead people and literal demons frozen in the glaciers? What if your story about the machinations of space pirates suddenly runs afoul of zombies and demonic babies? What if your story about being the handsome chosen one in a battle of galactic fate gets sidetracked, and instead you find yourself irreparable scarred and wishing for a death that cannot come, your only compassion an anti-social robot that is actually pretty cool with helping other robots kill all humans? All this and more make Return to Armageddon an amazing story! It's certainly a minor early 2000AD thrill, but if you listen tour giddiness about it, I think you'll see why it's a Space Spinner classic!

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Looking forward to listening to that one tonight!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 February, 2019, 04:52:52 PM
I never shy away from stating my love of Return to Armageddon. I actually think the final 3rd really works in the context of the story. It's like going on a crazy holiday. The first two thirds are the happy go lucky independent travelling, off the beaten track not quite knowing where your going or how you will get there. The final third is that final week, a more relaxing familiar holiday to help you catch breathe. Sure it's not as exhilarating but it's all be more fun because of what's gone before. Still tinged with the leftfield crazy that has gone before but giving you that extra something that was never going to happen otherwise...

...kinda...

Any also worth saying the intro with Alexa voice lady was absolute genius!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 21 February, 2019, 06:44:47 PM
My first regular prog cover there, so as you can guess, I am with Colin on this one - beautiful art (quite literally beautiful - does anyone draw women better than Redondo?) and I started during the mushy peas Amtrak phase.  The worst thing by far about the end is that it wraps it all up - RTA could have been Tharg's answer to Flash Gordon, the thrill injected, fucked up version of those space romps.  Let them play again!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 March, 2019, 11:55:37 PM
In our action-packed eighth episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with issues 22-24 of Action! This time Hell's Highway blow up, Blackjack sings, Lefty gets detention, and Dredger gets into helicopter antics!

This episode Conrad is joined by Steve Green of the Judge Minty and Search/Destroy fan films! Find his work, including some awesome 2000AD helmets and 3D models, at: https://stevedeegreen.artstation.com/

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I know I've been slacking on getting new episodes out recently, but that should be coming to an end! Next week we'll have two collection episodes, for Portrait of a Mutant and the first half of Nemesis the Warlock Book 1 (Which will cover Terror Tube through Book 2). Then the week after that Fox and I will return to regular podcasting, and the prog-slog shall continue!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 March, 2019, 05:38:18 AM
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No Surrender! It's the fifteenth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

We last talked about Strontium Dog in our 9th collection, when we covered the Journey to hell storyline. We're now 81 progs in the future and Johnny and Wulf have been working steadily. They've time traveled to collect a bounty on Hitler, won millions for Milton Keynes in space poker, and fought evil man-eating space baboon Bad Bob. Now it's finally time to learn more about Britain's future and Johnny Alpha's past in the classic story Portrait of a Mutant! It's one of the most important Strontium Dog stories, and possibly all of 2000AD!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 05 March, 2019, 03:45:52 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 March, 2019, 05:38:18 AM
They've time traveled to collect a bounty on Hitler, won millions for Milton Keynes in space poker, and fought evil man-eating space baboon Bad Bob.

Bubo?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 March, 2019, 06:55:53 PM
Oh jeez! I think it's actually Bad Boab?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 05 March, 2019, 07:15:16 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 March, 2019, 06:55:53 PM
Oh jeez! I think it's actually Bad Boab?

Bubo and his bad boys!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 06 March, 2019, 06:41:02 PM
Thanks Conrad. I am really enjoying the Action coverage and even though I have never read a single strip from it, I still find the coverage and comments fun and interesting.

You asked for listeners views on Portrait Of A Mutant so here are mine...

I do not remember how I first read this strip, it was possibly in the Best Of 2000AD monthly, but I read it after I had read Outlaw. It was a huge thrill and explained so much stuff in really great way. You mentioned it in the podcast but the bit that really stamps it as a superb piece of work for me is the bit at the end where the Kreelers become a new police force in two similar panels. It is a small and subtle thing but it really adds the cherry to the cake in terms of making a good ending great.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 March, 2019, 07:50:10 AM
Oh man I love 'Portrait of a Mutant', the story you're about to cover 'Rage' is possibly my absolute favourite but this is soooo close.

Its real strength is when you compare it to something like 'Solo' in terms of how it introduces concepts and ideas as part of a single origin story. They both do similar things, cover a lot of ground to fill out the blanks we have about their lead character, even as far as weaponary, motivation and building their world. The difference is where 'Solo' feels forced and heavy handed in doing this, cramming in so much none of it sits well in the story itself, in 'Portrait' it all sits so naturally. the story doesn't feel like a vehicle for the reveals, rather the reveals feels like they fit naturally in the story that is the driving force behind the what we see. Nothing feels forced or corny the story is so well crafted that it takes a look back to see quite how much we know about the world of Johnny Alpha and co it fills out and sets up. If you'd never read any of the previous stuff it wouldn't matter a jot its a bloody thrilling story first and an origin second.

Loved this 'collected edition' and thanks for putting it together.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 March, 2019, 03:45:13 AM
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Credo! It's the fifteenth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

I've sort of been dreading doing this collection because early Nemesis is some of my favorite 2000AD stuff ever, and it's hard to organize my thoughts without completely gushing over everything. This is the classic tale of a demonic and draconic alien fighting against the evil forces of humanity in a far future highway system. The story is fun, the art is amazing, Nemesis is the greatest!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 March, 2019, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 March, 2019, 03:45:13 AM
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Credo! It's the fifteenth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

I've sort of been dreading doing this collection because early Nemesis is some of my favorite 2000AD stuff ever, and it's hard to organize my thoughts without completely gushing over everything. This is the classic tale of a demonic and draconic alien fighting against the evil forces of humanity in a far future highway system. The story is fun, the art is amazing, Nemesis is the greatest!

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Thanks for putting it all together - listening to it right now!

I know how you feel about hesitating to cover it for fear of just gushing over it - it's been holding me off from setting a date for doing a Book Club podcast with Eamonn for some time!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 March, 2019, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 06 March, 2019, 06:41:02 PM
I do not remember how I first read this strip, it was possibly in the Best Of 2000AD monthly, but I read it after I had read Outlaw. It was a huge thrill and explained so much stuff in really great way. You mentioned it in the podcast but the bit that really stamps it as a superb piece of work for me is the bit at the end where the Kreelers become a new police force in two similar panels. It is a small and subtle thing but it really adds the cherry to the cake in terms of making a good ending great.


Same here - I was well versed in Outlaw long before I found out how [spoiler]Bunky got in to the situation that the Stix Brothers found him in[/spoiler].  Totally agree with the Kreelers to police panels - I can remember studying the two panels for ages when I was eleven or twelve, or however old I'd have been once I finally got hold of that particular back prog.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 March, 2019, 06:43:44 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 467-470 of 2000AD, covering April and May of 1986. This week Ace Trucking catches us up, Judge Anderson exorcises, the citizens of mega City one are mental, Strontium Dog has feels some rage, and Michael "Swifty" Swift is looking for a job in the far future!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 11 March, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 10 March, 2019, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 March, 2019, 03:45:13 AM
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I know how you feel about hesitating to cover it for fear of just gushing over it - it's been holding me off from setting a date for doing a Book Club podcast with Eamonn for some time!

FCBD in the pub in may???
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 11 March, 2019, 02:29:21 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 March, 2019, 06:43:44 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and forty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 467-470 of 2000AD, covering April and May of 1986. This week Ace Trucking catches us up, Judge Anderson exorcises, the citizens of mega City one are mental, Strontium Dog has feels some rage, and Michael "Swifty" Swift is looking for a job in the far future!

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Of course, he might spell his name 'Judge Cholmondeley-Mole-Fortesque' but he'd pronounce it 'Chumney-Mull-Fawltey', dontyewknow.

There is quite a major character with an ideasyncristicly pronounced posh English surname coming up within 100 progs - NO CLUES, though!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 11 March, 2019, 10:14:27 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 11 March, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 10 March, 2019, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 March, 2019, 03:45:13 AM
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I know how you feel about hesitating to cover it for fear of just gushing over it - it's been holding me off from setting a date for doing a Book Club podcast with Eamonn for some time!

FCBD in the pub in may???

Possible - we'd just have to decide on an edition (still undecided whether to pick up the Hachette versions).  I have the Titan editions, though they only go up to the end of Hicklenton's run.  I see that the end of this month sees the publication of Nem Volume Four, with the Henry Flint cover from the last book, so I may stop vacillating and get the four (I'll tell myself that the printing may not be as good as the classic Titans, but they're more portable).



p.s. Titan missed out Jesus' book as well.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 March, 2019, 04:26:39 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and fiftieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 471-474 of 2000AD, covering May and June of 1986. This week Johnny deals with hijackers, Anderson goes to another world, Blue learns the truth, Swifty heads to the Street of Many Madmen, Ace Trucking gets away with it, and we learn the law according to "Dredd!" Wow, 150 episodes! Here's to many many more!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 18 March, 2019, 06:58:25 AM
congrats on making it to 150 not counting the collections and the action podcast!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 March, 2019, 07:54:19 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 March, 2019, 06:58:25 AM
congrats on making it to 150 not counting the collections and the action podcast!

Yep this podcast remains as fun, exciting and insightful as the day it started. Keep it up and well done.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 March, 2019, 05:20:31 AM
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Thanks for the well-wishes everyone!

In our thrilling hundred and fifty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 475-478 of 2000AD, covering June and July of 1986. This time Strontium Dog heads to the mines, Bad City Blows, Judge Anderson makes a hard decision, and Ace Trucking can't stop here, this is Rambo country!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Rogue Judge on 27 March, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
#findyourownfox
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 April, 2019, 06:10:01 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and fifty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 479-482 of 2000AD, covering July and August of 1986. This episode Judge Dredd gets the urge, Johnny gets squiddy, Ace Trucking gets critical, and Swifty joins the Sweeneys!

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Quote from: Rogue Judge on 27 March, 2019, 04:20:47 PM
#findyourownfox

Everyone needs a friend they can explain things to at length!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 April, 2019, 06:35:23 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and fifty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 483-486 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1986. This episode Swifty runs for office, Judge Dredd fights Stan Lee and heads to Atlantis, Excelsior! Johnny Alpha makes some new chums, Torquemada heads back to the far far future, and watch out Brians, Metalzoic starts here!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 08 April, 2019, 03:32:25 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 April, 2019, 06:35:23 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and fifty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 483-486 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1986. This episode Swifty runs for office, Judge Dredd fights Stan Lee and heads to Atlantis, Excelsior! Johnny Alpha makes some new chums, Torquemada heads back to the far far future, and watch out Brians, Metalzoic starts here!

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Lawks, chum, the revelation that Metalzoic might actually be a Disney style musical might be the only thing you could have said that makes it seem even weirder than it already was...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 April, 2019, 10:35:47 PM
I reckon you guys are making a brave attempt at understanding Sooner or Later but it's very much of it's time - no coherent story but lots of mid 80s Brit-cool tropes - it was mandatory back then to sprinkle every vaguely satirical thing with references to unemployment and job centres - the strip feels incredibly dated now, but the art's great, so that's okay.

However, I do have a bone to pick with Conrad - several weeks ago I was promised a shout out for forewarning him of the very British "Pedigree chum" gag in Strontium Dog and I've eagerly awaited that episode - but you forgot! Boooooo! (Don't worry though, we're still chums  :D)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 April, 2019, 04:47:25 AM
Oh nooo! I will rectify this ASAP!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 09 April, 2019, 07:55:13 AM
nah. it's okay, the moment's passed, would be a weird call-back weeks later.  :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 09 April, 2019, 10:25:26 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 09 April, 2019, 07:55:13 AM
nah. it's okay, the moment's passed, would be a weird call-back weeks later.  :D

If there's something a bunch of middle age (or fast approaching, for those in denial) people do, then it's weird call-backs!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 April, 2019, 08:07:35 AM
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In our action-packed ninth episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with issues 25-27 of Action! This time Dredger deals with American politics, Hookjaw is on TV, Taggart deals with Rico, and Hellman is fighting on the Eastern Front...watch out for vampires!

This episode Conrad is joined by Peter Adamson of the Beyond the Soda and Where Eagles Dare podcast! Where Eagles Dare recaps the Eagle comic from the 1980s! If you like our show you'll love Where Eagles Dare!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 15 April, 2019, 09:44:12 PM
Thanks Conrad and Peter for another fascinating and entertaining show.

The subject of sports comics came up again here. The way I see it is that the sport strips that have been covered in SS2000 over the years were all very much on the fringe of the genre.

Roy Of The Rovers was the undisputed king of sports strips and was mostly written by Tom Fully. I am not suggesting you should read it but it was great at the time. There were long story arcs across a football season and plenty of lows and disappointments as well as highs and victories.

Roy Of The Rovers, Dan Dare and Judge Dredd are probably the biggest names in British juvenile comics.

I think Tiger comic was the biggest sporting title around.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 21 April, 2019, 08:02:26 PM
I have just I read prog 490 yesterday (should be in the next SS2000) and was taken aback to see an advertisement for my favourite band The Fall. The LP is advertised as being called 'Domesday Pay-Off' but on the actual release this name has 'Bend Sinister' pasted over the top of it and so the LP is actually known by this name instead.

I can't recall any other bands actually paying for advertisement space before in the prog. I suppose 12 year old me must have seen this and briefly and thought nothing of it as I was unaware of the band until a few years later.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 April, 2019, 08:38:58 PM
There have been a few in the past, I definitely remember a big Man O War ad a while ago. I think a lot of times they've shown up when one of the art droids did the album cover. I'm really looking forward to a music ad from the 90s that is SHOCKINGLY 90s, like a list of bands over an image of a Doc Marten boot!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 21 April, 2019, 11:28:20 PM
It was not for nothing that Orwell wrote in 1984:

"If you want a vision of the future (about 6 years from now), imagine a Doc Marten boot stamping on a human face - forever."

(Love my Docs!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: I, Cosh on 21 April, 2019, 11:35:24 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 21 April, 2019, 08:02:26 PM
I can't recall any other bands actually paying for advertisement space before in the prog.
Alien Sex Fiend and Mega City Four were frequent advertisers.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 April, 2019, 05:37:33 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and fifty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 487-490 of 2000AD, covering September and October of 1986. This episode Judge Dredd deals with crime in Atlantis, The Wheeldebeasts attack in Metalzoic, Nemesis meets the Monads, and Strontium Dog's path of RAGE reaches its conclusion!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 23 April, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
Thanks Conrad - great as always. It really is a shame Ace Trucking has come to this since it could have ended in such a great way with the trip into the sun.

Dredd has been overshadowed by Rage recently but there has actually been a very great run of strips going on for quite a while.

In this episode you were discussing Max Bubba's mutation being a film of skin covering his face. You may not know that the inspiration for this was a photo of someone who had just blown up a huge bubble gum bubble and had it explode over their face. John Wagner passed the photo on to Carlos Ezsquerra as a reference for the Bubba character. In the UK there is a leading brand of bubble gum called Hubba Bubba and this is probably where the name comes from and possibly the photo too.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 23 April, 2019, 10:54:56 PM
The shoulder stuff was great - it's almost a heads, shoulders, knees and toes riff.

The happy crab which snips off impetigo's foot always makes me smile.

Bearing in mind Alpha's time tech, and what he did to his dad, it could have gone even darker.

Kill Bubba, revive, Kill Bubba, revive, repeat for days, weeks even.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 April, 2019, 07:40:13 AM
Well if Sinister Dexter teaches us just one thing its that shoulders are the most bullet resistant part of the human body! Gotta take those shoulders out as soon as possible.

Anyyyyway I'm only 1/2 through this glorious episode but while you suggest that Metalzoic is clearly written as a musical I think tis fair to say that your devine rendition of 'Girls just what to have fun' makes it clear that Conrad and Fox are working towards the musical episode of 'Space Spinner 2000' - an episode we all want to hear.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 April, 2019, 09:16:15 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 23 April, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
Thanks Conrad - great as always. It really is a shame Ace Trucking has come to this since it could have ended in such a great way with the trip into the sun.

Dredd has been overshadowed by Rage recently but there has actually been a very great run of strips going on for quite a while.

In this episode you were discussing Max Bubba's mutation being a film of skin covering his face. You may not know that the inspiration for this was a photo of someone who had just blown up a huge bubble gum bubble and had it explode over their face. John Wagner passed the photo on to Carlos Ezsquerra as a reference for the Bubba character. In the UK there is a leading brand of bubble gum called Hubba Bubba and this is probably where the name comes from and possibly the photo too.

Oh man, we've got Hubba Bubba here too, that's an amazing link! Also, I agree about Dredd, there have been some really fun stories recently, like Perp Aid or Atlantis, and especially the crazy fight scenes in Deathfist. I'm really loving Brendan McCarthy's Dredd work in 86!

Quote from: Steve Green on 23 April, 2019, 10:54:56 PM
The shoulder stuff was great - it's almost a heads, shoulders, knees and toes riff.

The happy crab which snips off impetigo's foot always makes me smile.

Bearing in mind Alpha's time tech, and what he did to his dad, it could have gone even darker.

Kill Bubba, revive, Kill Bubba, revive, repeat for days, weeks even.

I think if you kill a guy more than twice it stops being revenge and starts evil? We worked out some of this math during Mean Arena, in terms on that line :D

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 24 April, 2019, 07:40:13 AM
Well if Sinister Dexter teaches us just one thing its that shoulders are the most bullet resistant part of the human body! Gotta take those shoulders out as soon as possible.

Anyyyyway I'm only 1/2 through this glorious episode but while you suggest that Metalzoic is clearly written as a musical I think tis fair to say that your devine rendition of 'Girls just what to have fun' makes it clear that Conrad and Fox are working towards the musical episode of 'Space Spinner 2000' - an episode we all want to hear.

The thing I learned from westerns and cop shows is that there's never any lasting damage from being shot in the shoulder, ever!

Also, appreciate everyone talking about our singing ability! I love when Fox and I can rattle off some random song parody or something like that. We are profoundly silly people!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 25 April, 2019, 01:31:04 PM
i forgot the lads at indigo prime appeared this early course it doesn't help "the complete" indigo prime didn't include it.

also rereading ace trucking and yeah....i can see why the ultimate collection stopped at aces death these last two stories stank
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 25 April, 2019, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 25 April, 2019, 01:31:04 PM
also rereading ace trucking and yeah....i can see why the ultimate collection stopped at aces death these last two stories stank

I've often wondered if they'd got in trouble over the tricked into suicide angle and were forced to bring Ace back, but as no one ever mentions that I guess not.

There's not even any weird Bellardinelli aliens to look at in this one, just a lot of humans which is always his weakest point.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 25 April, 2019, 06:52:22 PM
They would have been perfectly fine 3 or 4 parters, but 26 weeks each was just taking the piss, the central gag of each was just stretched waaaay too long.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Greg M. on 25 April, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 25 April, 2019, 05:52:57 PM
I've often wondered if they'd got in trouble over the tricked into suicide angle and were forced to bring Ace back, but as no one ever mentions that I guess not.

I was under the impression that Wagner and Grant had grown to really dislike Ace (there's a certain point - maybe Strike! - at which his character notably changes and he becomes a lot more weaselly, signalling, I suspect, their contempt for him) but readers absolutely and quite rightly loved the series, and besieged Tharg for its return, much as depicted in 'Whatever Happened to Ace Garp?' Whilst 'The Doppelgarp' is largely poor, it has a few strong moments, particularly in the opening episodes: the death of Ace's scarf is oddly touching. 'The Garpetbaggers', however, is complete mince - I love Ace Garp, but I'm not sure I've ever managed to sit down and read that story from start to finish in one sitting. However, I'd argue that the whole 'parallel universe' stuff is redeemed by the final story from the '89 annual, which is absolutely beautiful in terms of Massimo's full-colour art, and which brings the series to a perfect conclusion. (Wagner and Grant clearly still hate Ace in it though!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 April, 2019, 07:09:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XN50ix0.jpg)

In our action-packed tenth episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with issues 27-30 of Action! This time Blackjack gets his man, Death Game gets recruiting, both Hellman AND Hookjaw get blown up, and Dredger gets dead, but only for a bit!

This episode Conrad is joined by David Ronayne of the Beyond the Soda and Where Eagles Dare podcast! Where Eagles Dare recaps the Eagle comic from the 1980s! If you like our show you'll love Where Eagles Dare!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 April, 2019, 07:10:15 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 25 April, 2019, 06:52:22 PM
They would have been perfectly fine 3 or 4 parters, but 26 weeks each was just taking the piss, the central gag of each was just stretched waaaay too long.

This really sums up my thoughts about the comics, it's a testament to Belardinelli's ability to get art out there, but good lord these comics DRAG ON.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 29 April, 2019, 10:16:51 AM
Please tell me there's audio of Conrad and David (or Fox) singing along to Dancing Queen at the end of this episode.  ;) :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 April, 2019, 01:46:19 PM

Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 25 April, 2019, 05:52:57 PMThere's not even any weird Bellardinelli aliens to look at in this one, just a lot of humans which is always his weakest point.



I always thought the reason the last stories fell flat is because the humour just wasn't that great, but you've got it there.  A strip designed so that Belardinelli could draw lots of weird and wonderful aliens in weird and wonderful regions of space, and they take it to... Earth.

Quote from: Greg M. on 25 April, 2019, 08:28:02 PM
However, I'd argue that the whole 'parallel universe' stuff is redeemed by the final story from the '89 annual, which is absolutely beautiful in terms of Massimo's full-colour art, and which brings the series to a perfect conclusion. (Wagner and Grant clearly still hate Ace in it though!)



Massimo's painting in that final 6-page (I think, don't have it to hand?) story ranks right up there with some of the very best art that's ever been published by the House of Tharg - not bad for a strip that had been on its last legs for the previous year or so.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 29 April, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 April, 2019, 07:09:05 AM
continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with issues 27-30 of Action!

"...an indian Doctor Khazi..."

Wait, what? Blimey...

I think that name would cause a mental sudden pause with a record scratch-type sound effect even during the seventies...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 April, 2019, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 29 April, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
"...an indian Doctor Khazi..."

Wait, what? Blimey...

I think that name would cause a mental sudden pause with a record scratch-type sound effect even during the seventies...

Have you never watched a Carry On film?  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 April, 2019, 04:53:23 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 29 April, 2019, 02:51:45 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 29 April, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
"...an indian Doctor Khazi..."

Wait, what? Blimey...

I think that name would cause a mental sudden pause with a record scratch-type sound effect even during the seventies...

Have you never watched a Carry On film?  :lol:

And we all know which Carry On film!

(https://www.carryon.org.uk/images/khyber1.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Greg M. on 29 April, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 29 April, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Massimo's painting in that final 6-page (I think, don't have it to hand?) story ranks right up there with some of the very best art that's ever been published by the House of Tharg

It is indeed a six-pager - I have the original art for four of those pages, and it is genuinely stunning. The last panel is one of my favourite ever published.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 May, 2019, 12:04:04 AM
Quote from: Greg M. on 29 April, 2019, 06:23:57 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 29 April, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Massimo's painting in that final 6-page (I think, don't have it to hand?) story ranks right up there with some of the very best art that's ever been published by the House of Tharg

You're not winning any friends, you know.  Unless you want to invite us all around to your house to see them, of course.
It is indeed a six-pager - I have the original art for four of those pages, and it is genuinely stunning. The last panel is one of my favourite ever published.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 May, 2019, 05:45:28 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and fifty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 491-494 of 2000AD, covering October and November of 1986. This episode the Monsoon comes to Metalzoic, Swifty gets a job, Johnny Alpha dispenses frontier justice, Judge Dredd deals with giant ladies, body swappers, and phantoms, and Sláine is back to grind some quests!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 May, 2019, 05:33:32 AM
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In our action-packed tenth episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with issues 31-33 of Action! This time the Grudge War concludes, the probationer gets out, kids rule, ok? And Rick Mason gets ahead of Hookjaw, if you know what I mean!

This episode Conrad is joined by Eamonn Clarke of the Mega-City Book club podcast! A podcaster in no need of introduction, every other week Eamonn and a guest read and review a 2000AD related collection. It's a great show, especially for fans of 2000AD!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 13 May, 2019, 08:31:00 AM
Wow, what an honour to be on the show covering these particular issues of Action. Thanks, Conrad.

If you get the chance check our Steve Green's marvellous commission where Carlos re-imagined this cover with Dredd, a fatty, and a string of sausages. It's possibly one of the greatest pieces of art in the entire history of the world.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 May, 2019, 05:56:28 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and fifty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 495-498 of 2000AD, covering November of 1986. This episode Sláine sees the stars, Rogue Trooper gets a job offer, Dredd meets a god called Jose...or possibly Steve, Swifty heads home, Johnny Alpha heads to a war zone, and Ace Trucking is ten-ten never again! Also, there's a fair amount of singing in this one!

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We're very close to prog 500!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 20 May, 2019, 10:35:21 PM
Some excellent proggage there with 500 around the corner!

I don't think Jose (or possibly Steve) was a reference, just random names chosen for comedic value.

As for Obby Osses, they can still be lethal - this poor woman died just a few weeks ago : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-48162818 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-48162818)

And a Final word on Carlos's art - don't you love the way he does flashbacks? The fine lines and lack of black work perfectly - the story is still clear, but the 'otherness' is obvious - what technique. You mentioned also the regular run - that's a testament to his amazing reliability in turning out the pages week after week with no drop in quality, just like he did with the Apocalypse war. In Steve Green's touching tribute film shown at the Lawless con, Pat Mill says he tried to recall some anecdotes about creative wrangles or tight deadlines during his work on Crisis, but couldn't think of one because Carlos always just delivered, and it was always great.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 May, 2019, 03:30:15 AM
It is really amazing to see Ezquerra put out these massive stories so consistently. I mean, the last year (and going forward) for Strontium Dog is ridiculous: 21 progs of Max Bubba/Ragnarok Job, then 21 of Rage (and 10 of Mayger Minor and Warzone), then 25 of Bitch, with only 8 rest issues in between! Incredible, steady output, even in comparison to other artists of the era (except of Belardinelli, who churned out a massive amount of Ace Trucking in '86, whatever my opinion of it).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 May, 2019, 06:05:11 AM
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In our action-packed twelfth episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with issues 34-36 of Action! This time Dredger is under the sea, Hookjaw is in the Channel, the Kids are on fire, and it's snowing on the Russian front!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 28 May, 2019, 08:50:14 PM
Thanks Conrad.

You mentioned in this podcast that everyone from San Francisco knows Alcatraz can never be used as a prison again but it often gets re-opened in fiction. Can you explain here why it can't be re-opened?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 May, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
The city needs the tourist dollars!  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 May, 2019, 02:21:15 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 28 May, 2019, 08:50:14 PM
Thanks Conrad.

You mentioned in this podcast that everyone from San Francisco knows Alcatraz can never be used as a prison again but it often gets re-opened in fiction. Can you explain here why it can't be re-opened?

I say this a lot, especially because it does happen in fiction more than you'd expect. I'm also generally sensitive about San Francisco in fiction, because recently it's been a huge whipping boy for disaster and monster movies. ANYHOW! Reasons why Alcatraz would never be reopened as a prison:

1.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 28 May, 2019, 09:33:51 PM
The city needs the tourist dollars!  :lol:
This is true, but maybe not how you think. Whatever money the actual tours of the prison make, the piers that line the pay side of San Francisco are a key part of the city's tourist economy. Pier 39, where the ferrys that go to Alcatraz currently, is literally the biggest tourist spot in the city. Other parts of the water front are right next to the major league baseball stadium or massive fairgrounds. All of these places would be directly effected by having prisoners being taken to or released from a maximum security prison. If you decide to load and unload from further away, you might as well just take them to San Quentin, a much larger prison, which is further into the Bay. Like in most places NIMBY=ism (Not In My Back Yard) is pretty heavy in San Francisco, you can't even build a multi story building there because people are worried about the shadows it would cast. Also advances in physical training in the 21st century mean it's not even that inescapable anymore. There are literally marathon-like events where people make the swim from the island to the mainland. It can be done, and it'd be a risk, to have escaped cons just show up at the waterfront!

B. The actual island and facilities of Alcatraz have been out of commission for over 50 years, and while some parts have been kept up to a decent standard by the part service, a lot of the place has fallen heavily into disrepair and have been eroded away by the constant saltwater fog that comes off the SF Bay. Maintaining the place is generally super expensive, and is why the prison was shut down in the first place. Going in and restoring everything, from the ground up, then maintaining going forward, would be incredibly expensive in comparison even to building and maintaining a brand new prison.

III. I'm not sure if this is common knowledge in the UK, but the SF Bay Area has some of the most expensive real estate prices in the world, and as bad as it would be to live on Alcatraz (again, very foggy, also the island is home to thousands of sea birds that poop everywhere), if that real estate was for sale it would be HIDEOUSLY expensive. Some Tech-bro would immediately pay like a billion dollars to turn it into Galt's Island or something. Also, to get people to work at the prison you'd have to pay them enough to live in the Bay Area, and that is a big difference from other parts of the state, even the minimum wage is 26% higher there vs other places.

Look, I guess never say "never", but it seems extremely unlikely to me. It'd be like using the Tower of London or the Bastille as prisons again. But I've been wrong about things before, so who knows! Also, all this is why I didn't get into it on the show! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 May, 2019, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 28 May, 2019, 08:50:14 PM
You mentioned in this podcast that everyone from San Francisco knows Alcatraz can never be used as a prison again but it often gets re-opened in fiction. Can you explain here why it can't be re-opened?

Conrad's obviously covered it so much better than I already, but once you've been there it's pretty self-evident - the place is literally crumbling to bits!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 May, 2019, 05:21:35 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 29 May, 2019, 10:58:43 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 28 May, 2019, 08:50:14 PM
You mentioned in this podcast that everyone from San Francisco knows Alcatraz can never be used as a prison again but it often gets re-opened in fiction. Can you explain here why it can't be re-opened?

Conrad's obviously covered it so much better than I already, but once you've been there it's pretty self-evident - the place is literally crumbling to bits!

Haha, yeah, that's me really overthinking/over-explaining things :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 May, 2019, 06:53:12 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 May, 2019, 05:21:35 PM
Haha, yeah, that's me really overthinking/over-explaining things :D

When someone does that is that called fansplaining*?

*Fansplaining might of course actually be a term that's used on this here social media and I'm so old and out of touch and only just come across mansplain in the last few months or so
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 June, 2019, 08:01:14 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and fifty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 499-502 of 2000AD, covering December of 1986. This episode we revisit Tharg's head, Sláine ends one quest and starts another, Dredd is in the Christmas mood, Torquemurder returns, and grab your boots turnip head, 'cause you're in Bad Company now!

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Also! If you want your 1986 opinions to be heard please send them in, either here or through email or other social media! Spinnies 1987 nominations close on June 15th 2019!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 03 June, 2019, 02:08:48 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 June, 2019, 08:01:14 AMAlso! If you want your 1986 opinions to be heard please send them in, either here or through email or other social media! Spinnies 1987 nominations close on June 15th 2019!

Remind me - how many nominations do we get, and does it include summer sci-fi specials and annuals or just the prog?
If annuals are allowed - the 1986 one released in 1985, or the 1987 ones released in 1986?  (I realise you probably mention all this in the podcast, but the caches haven't gone through in time for me to listen in today's lunch hour*






* yes, I'm lucky enough to get a full hour for lunch!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 June, 2019, 04:22:08 PM
hmm .. something's up with the Apple podcast store today - this ep isn't showing up as usual.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 03 June, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 June, 2019, 04:22:08 PM
hmm .. something's up with the Apple podcast store today - this ep isn't showing up as usual.

I was trying spotify and the links at lunchtime but assumed that things just hadn't gone through the servers yet - I'll have a go at listening when I get home and report back on how successful I was.  Whatever time I get home.  There's a huge closure in the middle of town so it's anybodies guess what route I'll need to take to get there (there's some foreign indignantory coming to mess up our transport system).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 June, 2019, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 June, 2019, 04:22:08 PM
hmm .. something's up with the Apple podcast store today - this ep isn't showing up as usual.

Sorry for the difficulty, try re-downloading and it should be working now! Or a reposted version should be filtering through the podcast feeds.

Quote from: sheridan on 03 June, 2019, 02:08:48 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 June, 2019, 08:01:14 AMAlso! If you want your 1986 opinions to be heard please send them in, either here or through email or other social media! Spinnies 1987 nominations close on June 15th 2019!

Remind me - how many nominations do we get, and does it include summer sci-fi specials and annuals or just the prog?
If annuals are allowed - the 1986 one released in 1985, or the 1987 ones released in 1986?  (I realise you probably mention all this in the podcast, but the caches haven't gone through in time for me to listen in today's lunch hour*
* yes, I'm lucky enough to get a full hour for lunch!

Categories are: Best Art, Best Writing, Best Overall Thrill, Best Month, and Best Overall year (up to 1986). Nominations can be as large or as small as possible (though probably more specific than just "DREDD"), and include both progs and Specials and Annuals for the year (so the 86 Sci-Fi Special and the 87 Annuals). Multiple choices for the categories is fine,  and feel free to explain your choices!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 June, 2019, 06:17:45 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 June, 2019, 05:12:13 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 03 June, 2019, 04:22:08 PM
hmm .. something's up with the Apple podcast store today - this ep isn't showing up as usual.

Sorry for the difficulty, try re-downloading and it should be working now! Or a reposted version should be filtering through the podcast feeds.


LOL, my phone is now downloading both!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 03 June, 2019, 07:35:52 PM
Managed to get my phone to start streaming it while on my way home - diversions and road closures meant I had a bit more time than usual to commute (do you commute home or just to work?) good show!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 03 June, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
Best Art - Carlos Ezquerra was well represented in 1986 with Ragnarok and Rage and it was all of such a consistently high standard. He wasn't given any clunkers this year but even when he did do stuff like Tharg strips they are made readable and enjoyable by his work.

Best Writing - Wagner and Grant had another great year for Dredd with the focus on short stories. McGruder leaving (and firing the council for their loyalty), the Stroberry Jam story (it is a real psychological illness that is described here, one that I have witnessed), Adrian Cockroach, It Pays To Be Mental, The Exploding Man, Stan Lee, and Kenny Who were some of the highlights but it was all good all year.

Best Overall Year - 1982 for me
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 03 June, 2019, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 June, 2019, 05:12:13 PM
Categories are: Best Art, Best Writing, Best Overall Thrill, Best Month, and Best Overall year (up to 1986). Nominations can be as large or as small as possible (though probably more specific than just "DREDD"), and include both progs and Specials and Annuals for the year (so the 86 Sci-Fi Special and the 87 Annuals). Multiple choices for the categories is fine,  and feel free to explain your choices!


To help people along - this is what appeared in 1986, culled from Barney (the annuals seem really light, if you take out all the features and reprint material).


Amazing year, appearances by John Wagner, Alan Grant, Carlos, Jamie Delano, John Smith, Steve Dillon, Bryan Talbot, Kevin O'Neill, Gary Leach, Glenn Fabry, John Ridgway, Cam Kennedy, John Higgins, Massimo Belardinelli, Ian Gibson, Mike Collins, Brett Ewins, Eric Bradbury, Robin Smith, David Lloyd and more.  And the debuts of Neil Gaiman and John Hicklenton.


Progs

Dredd in 2000AD
Sci-Fi Special
2000AD Annual
Judge Dredd Annual
Diceman - all five issues were published in 1986!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 June, 2019, 08:36:59 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 03 June, 2019, 08:18:28 PM
Everything in 1986

Thanks! '86 has been a really long year for the podcast, we've have a few stops and slowdowns, so a refresher is important, I can't believe Halo Jones was in January! We haven't done much Diceman, but I'm happy to hear opinions for sure!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 03 June, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
This is so difficult.  If I've gone overboard on the 'best overall thrill', I've put them in rough order, so cut off my votes at whichever point you choose.

Best Art
Torquemada: The Garden of Alien Delights, Bryan Talbot channeling Heironymous Bosch with Pat Mills putting us in Tomas' boots, to boot :-)

Best Writing
Alan Moore: Halo Jones Book III - the mage's last full work for 2000AD
Dredd: Letter from a Democrat - the foundations of so much that followed
Dredd: Beyond the Wall - a different kind of Dredd story

Best Overall Thrill
Strontium Dog: Max Bubba / The Ragnorok Job - changes Strontium Dog forever
Nemesis the Warlock: The Torture Tube, manages to take the excitement of the Terror Tube, do some worldbuilding (the Tube Worm!) and make it interactive!
Attack of the 50ft Woman - great work from Gary Leach, and I managed to see the original pages at Orbital Comics recently-ish.
Nemesis the Warlock: Torquemurder - Termight, the end of the world, the Monad, Satanus, what's not to like?
Metalzoic - I'd probably put this higher, but DC has the copyright but won't let Pat and Kev get it reprinted *hiss* *boo*
Diceman - Indiana Jones has nothing on him!
Atlantis - our first proper introduction to Brit-Cit Judges (not counting Ron Smith's ones from the Daily Dredd)
Varks - did Kevin ever draw and actual Aliens story?

Best Month
I'll skip this one because I've already spent ages on Barney!

Best Overall Year up to 1986: 1983 because it was the year that got me in to 2000AD!  Skizz, Nemesis the Warlock Book III, The Moses Quest Quest, Cry of the Werewolf, the Slaying of Slade...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 June, 2019, 07:39:56 AM
Theres actually two banned pages of thargs head revisited the first one was the mick mcmahon one in which he spills his guts on artists who swiped from him and its not hard to figure out which artists are the "bloodsuckers" depicted in it.

the second one is brian bollands page in which he rips apart tharg for not giving him and other artists residuals from merch featuring art and characters they created.

i wanted to scan bloodsuckers for the podcast but alas my scanner was broken. I did find the original of the bolland on a tumbler blog that i would not be shocked is someone on this board

https://i.imgur.com/Z7QeOfb.jpg

funnily enough it was used in the 1988 annual but with a completely different script and the removal of the dead tharg

anyhoo for my picks of the year

Best Art

bryan talbot for his sublime work on nemesis both in prog and diceman

Best Writing

alan moore for halo jones 3 still imho one of moore best works

Best Overall Thrill

Strontium dog what could argueably be the last truly great year for johnny alpha as in my opinion it is never as good as this years run of the strip. don't get me wrong the strips still fun but it never ever reaches the heights of the ragnarok/rage double header again
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 05 June, 2019, 09:53:16 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 05 June, 2019, 07:39:56 AM
Theres actually two banned pages of thargs head revisited the first one was the mick mcmahon one in which he spills his guts on artists who swiped from him and its not hard to figure out which artists are the "bloodsuckers" depicted in it.

the second one is brian bollands page in which he rips apart tharg for not giving him and other artists residuals from merch featuring art and characters they created.

i wanted to scan bloodsuckers for the podcast but alas my scanner was broken.

(https://i.imgur.com/EuwiiP8.png?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/vdBesqv.png?1)(https://i.imgur.com/jLbG6wT.png?2)

There's some very calm, rational discussion by adults, here: LINK (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=30037.0)


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 05 June, 2019, 12:25:10 PM
I almost came here spoilin' for a fight, but you pulled it back at the very end - I was amazed you could review Slaine the King without even mentioning Fabry's stunning art, but Fox saved you in his best/worst round-up.

And how could I never have noticed "featuring Santa Dredd" in all these years?  ::)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 05 June, 2019, 01:25:05 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 05 June, 2019, 12:25:10 PM
I almost came here spoilin' for a fight, but you pulled it back at the very end - I was amazed you could review Slaine the King without even mentioning Fabry's stunning art, but Fox saved you in his best/worst round-up.

And how could I never have noticed "featuring Santa Dredd" in all these years?  ::)

That's amazing - I don't remember ever having noticed that either!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 07 June, 2019, 03:51:48 PM
Best Art: always a tough choice, but I'm going with Massimo Belardinelli, specifically for the Doppelgarp, which is stuffed full of deliriously manic goings-on. Plus, although we will get more from Massimo over the next couple of years, this is the last time we'll get him in every Prog all the time.
But I'm feeling bad for not calling out Ian Gibson's work on Halo Jones III.

Best Writing: since they wrote something like 3/4 of all stories for this entire year, it has to be Wagner and Grant! But specifically I'll give it to them for Judge Dredd. 1986 is, for me, the best year of fun, inventive, witty, and occasionally moving one-off Dredd tales.

Best Overall Thrill: no question, Strontium Dog RAGE! - what more need be said?

Best Month: May. My fave one-off Dredd, It Pays to be Mental, plus the start of the supremely gorgeous 'Possessed' story for Anderson, and the good opening bits of both Sooner or Later and Bad City Blue. Not to mention the kick-off to Rage!

Best Overall Year: The dead weight of the Garpetbaggers was holding me back, but looking at the list of all-time great thrills in 1986, I have call it as Tharg's best year yet.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 07 June, 2019, 04:34:22 PM
one last comment from this week's ep - Middenface didn't shoot the kreeler in the leg - as he exclaims, he gets him in "the butties" - I wonder if Carlos needed special translation/direction in order to draw the correct part of the anatomy being hit  :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 June, 2019, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 07 June, 2019, 04:34:22 PM
one last comment from this week's ep - Middenface didn't shoot the kreeler in the leg - as he exclaims, he gets him in "the butties" - I wonder if Carlos needed special translation/direction in order to draw the correct part of the anatomy being hit  :D

I think after nine years (just on 2000AD, more years elsewhere) he'd have got used to Wagner's sense of humour by that point :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 June, 2019, 05:18:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ltId2ln.jpg)

In our action-packed thirteenth episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with the Action Summer Special! This time we learn the origins of Hookjaw and Blackjack, Dredger goes to the roof, and you'd better stop looking at rocks and start swimming!

This episode Conrad is joined by Space Spinner 2000 co host Fox! Worlds are colliding!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 10 June, 2019, 08:00:20 AM
1986, oh my goodness, what a year!

Best writing. Alan Moore for Halo Jones book 3
Best art. Ian Gibson on Halo Jones book 3
Best overall thrill. Halo Jones book 3
Best month. April for the last episode of Halo Jones

Now cross out all my answers and put Wagner/Grant/Ezquerra and Rage! instead. It's so close. Can you award a joint Spinny?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 10 June, 2019, 04:08:32 PM
It's been a strange year and I think you hit a nail on the head when you talked about how "Tharg's Head's Revisited" leaves you with an uncomfortable feeling. 

1986 is a great year, but we have all but lost Ron Smith on Dredd, the last man standing of the "Big Three". Ably replaced by Cam Kennedy, McCarthy and Higgins true, and with some budding work from Kitson and Robinson, but you do get the sense of manic behind the scenes juggling, especially when Robin Smith pops up on a strip.  We even get "Kenny Who?" meta-commenting on the Brain Drain to the Land of Stars and Stripes/Capes and Tights.

Ace also runs out of steam, Wulf is gone and Rogue has been wrestled from GFD into something not quite "right". Moore does some of his finest work on HJ III, but that's all he wrote.

So for me 1984 remains my favourite year - as stront a run of Stront, but backed up with more Moore.  Dredd gives us Question of Judgement and if City of the Damned fizzles out, it does that in 1985!

Favourite artist of 86: Glenn Fabry

Favourite writer of 86: Begrudgingly Alan Moore, the splitter! :)

Favoourite Story of 1986: RAGE!






Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 10 June, 2019, 07:54:53 PM
Thanks Conrad - I did not expect to hear Fox turn up - what a treat! I haven't read any Action and know nothing of this 'dark web' of which you speak but it has been entertaining to follow the Re-Action episodes regardless.

The Action Summer special sounded quite good which struck me as odd considering the quality of early 2000AD specials and annuals which relied on a lot of old legacy stuff and rejected strips to fill them out.

On the 2000AD side of things you discussed in the podcast how we were moving from the 'gold age' to the 'silver age' from prog 501. I think this is fair and I stopped reading some time in mid 500's although not due to any particular concerns about quality, it was more that I was trying to be more grown-up and started subscribing to a music paper instead.

However, it is still thrill packed mix with Slaine The King, some solid Dredd, Strontium Dog and Bad Company. It seems like the best we have had in a while, so it is a good start for the 'silver age'.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 June, 2019, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 10 June, 2019, 07:54:53 PM
Thanks Conrad - I did not expect to hear Fox turn up - what a treat! I haven't read any Action and know nothing of this 'dark web' of which you speak but it has been entertaining to follow the Re-Action episodes regardless.

The Action Summer special sounded quite good which struck me as odd considering the quality of early 2000AD specials and annuals which relied on a lot of old legacy stuff and rejected strips to fill them out.

On the 2000AD side of things you discussed in the podcast how we were moving from the 'gold age' to the 'silver age' from prog 501. I think this is fair and I stopped reading some time in mid 500's although not due to any particular concerns about quality, it was more that I was trying to be more grown-up and started subscribing to a music paper instead.

However, it is still thrill packed mix with Slaine The King, some solid Dredd, Strontium Dog and Bad Company. It seems like the best we have had in a while, so it is a good start for the 'silver age'.

Yeah, there definitely isn't a massive jump from from golden age to the dark days of the mid 90s, it's an eventual decline. I'm really excited for 1987, there's some great stuff there,  but it's definitely different in pace and tone that the previous years. There are new artists, new writers, in a year it's a whole different prog!

I for sure wish there was more collected Action. the Hookjaw collection is out there, but I'd love to see at least Dredger out there as well, if not all of the stories.

Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 10 June, 2019, 08:00:20 AM
1986, oh my goodness, what a year!

Best writing. Alan Moore for Halo Jones book 3
Best art. Ian Gibson on Halo Jones book 3
Best overall thrill. Halo Jones book 3
Best month. April for the last episode of Halo Jones

Now cross out all my answers and put Wagner/Grant/Ezquerra and Rage! instead. It's so close. Can you award a joint Spinny?

The rules of the Spinnies are deliberately vague, but are also about forcing you to make hard choices! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 11 June, 2019, 01:04:11 AM
1986 - a tricky year, with some sense of slowdown.

Best Art: Judge Dredd, Riders On The Storm
Brendan McCarthy does Dredd.  Surreal, exciting, fresh: and it works.

Best Writing: Judge Dredd, Letter From A Democrat
The sense that something's wrong with Justice Department.  It's like the strip matures right here.

Best Overall Thrill: The Ballad Of Halo Jones, Book Three
Just hands down the best thrill in the prog for the entire year.  It's up against Rage: but Rage is comparatively one-note, and drags a bit at 21 episodes.  Halo Jones has gravity and leaves you wanting more.

Honorable Mentions:

Judge Dredd, The Warlord: Cam Kennedy doing the good stuff on a taught supernatural thriller.
Strontium Dog, Rage: a bitter tragedy, a bleak western.
Anderson Psi Division, The Possessed: amazing work from Brett Ewins.
Nemesis the Warlock Book Six, Torquemurder: Bryan Talbot lifts up a bizarre fantasy.
Metalzoic: Kevin O'Neill and a unique concept from Mills.
Judge Dredd, Atlantis: Brit-Cit judges and more gorgeous art from McCarthy.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 11 June, 2019, 07:54:46 AM
QuoteCan't think of a name for the Star Lord podcast

Star Lord Trek.

I had a Star Lord of the Rings one as well, but I didn't write it down and now I've completely forgotten it...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 11 June, 2019, 10:26:51 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 11 June, 2019, 07:54:46 AM
QuoteCan't think of a name for the Star Lord podcast

Star Lord Trek.

I had a Star Lord of the Rings one as well, but I didn't write it down and now I've completely forgotten it...

Who are you quoting here?  The only mention I see on this thread is your reply!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 June, 2019, 01:17:11 AM
At the end of the most recent episode we talk for a moment about what we'd call the show if we start talking about Starlord, now that we've getting to the end of Action. Starlord is a tough one, because a lot of these other titles work on with an RE in front of the title (ReAction, for  instance) but ReStarlord isn't as good!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: skurvy on 12 June, 2019, 07:01:47 AM
You could title the Starlord, and inevitable Tornado, podcasts of the future Re:Merge. Because, you know, they both merge with 2000ad.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 June, 2019, 09:10:41 AM
Quote from: skurvy on 12 June, 2019, 07:01:47 AM
You could title the Starlord, and inevitable Tornado, podcasts of the future Re:Merge. Because, you know, they both merge with 2000ad.

Though in the terminology of the time they were 'matched' (as in 'hatch, match and dispatch') - so that'd be re-match...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 12 June, 2019, 02:09:04 PM
RE:ach for the starlord

err sorry
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: M.I.K. on 12 June, 2019, 06:25:39 PM
Has no one suggested "Starlord ReLorded" yet?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 June, 2019, 06:15:07 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/y42Lw8C.jpg)

In our action-packed fourteenth episode Conrad continues the journey through the pages of the infamous classic UK comic with the Action Summer Special! This time we'll hang out with deadly wildlife, fight in World War 2 AND against Napoleon, and check out prequels to several top Action stories!

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Quote from: M.I.K. on 12 June, 2019, 06:25:39 PM
Has no one suggested "Starlord ReLorded" yet?

I like it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 June, 2019, 05:24:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Kdry6zc.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and fifty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1986. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1986 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1987 from both 2000AD and our show!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 17 June, 2019, 08:27:02 PM
geez we are coming closer to the first 2000ad issue i ever owned (534) not when i became a regular reader tho that was in a certain forthcoming dredd annual in about 3 years later
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 June, 2019, 08:29:09 PM
Stegosaurus of Style?

When you described Ace Trucking Co as something that was previously funny but had got itself into a hole and kept digging, I think the technical term for that is "Doing a Linehan" 
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 June, 2019, 11:35:48 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 June, 2019, 01:17:11 AM
At the end of the most recent episode we talk for a moment about what we'd call the show if we start talking about Starlord, now that we've getting to the end of Action. Starlord is a tough one, because a lot of these other titles work on with an RE in front of the title (ReAction, for  instance) but ReStarlord isn't as good!


Makes sense - if I listen to podcasts in my lunch hour I often miss the last few minutes :-)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 20 June, 2019, 05:28:47 AM
That fantastic McCarthy cover Fox was talking about:

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/473.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 23 June, 2019, 02:54:32 PM
I know I don't post much on here outside of catching up...

Quote from: WhizzBang on 10 June, 2019, 07:54:53 PM
Thanks Conrad - I did not expect to hear Fox turn up - what a treat!

Glad to see I haven't worn people out quite yet  :D

Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 11 June, 2019, 07:54:46 AM
Star Lord Trek.

I love this.

Quote from: skurvy on 12 June, 2019, 07:01:47 AM
Re:Merge.

Quote from: M.I.K. on 12 June, 2019, 06:25:39 PM
"Starlord ReLorded"

Conrad, we need to get some of these folks on the show....I have significantly less wit  :lol:

Quote from: The Monarch on 17 June, 2019, 08:27:02 PM
geez we are coming closer to the first 2000ad issue i ever owned (534) not when i became a regular reader tho that was in a certain forthcoming dredd annual in about 3 years later

One of the things that keeps me going is comments like this. I love that, once we get somewhere special to anyone, it's meaningful.

Quote from: Leigh S on 17 June, 2019, 08:29:09 PM
Stegosaurus of Style?

When you described Ace Trucking Co as something that was previously funny but had got itself into a hole and kept digging, I think the technical term for that is "Doing a Linehan"

Please explain. Or maybe Conrad will. He does his homework.



Quote from: Funt Solo on 20 June, 2019, 05:28:47 AM
That fantastic McCarthy cover Fox was talking about:
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/473.jpg)


This is truly a cover that made an impact on me and shows a change (again for myself) about the comic's maturation. It just keeps growing and bringing in new talent while being so evocative. McCarthy did a lot of work with Sooner and Later and it defines it more so (for me) than the writing. This kind of work exemplifies someone's craft.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 23 June, 2019, 04:33:00 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 23 June, 2019, 02:54:32 PM

Quote from: Leigh S on 17 June, 2019, 08:29:09 PM
Stegosaurus of Style?

When you described Ace Trucking Co as something that was previously funny but had got itself into a hole and kept digging, I think the technical term for that is "Doing a Linehan"

Please explain. Or maybe Conrad will. He does his homework.

I think he's referring to something quite British (& Irish) that probably hasn't flagged up too strongly in the US.  Graham Linehan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Linehan) was a much-loved comedy writer who has, in recent years, seemingly become obsessed with anti-transgender activism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Linehan#Anti-Transgender_activism) through the medium of his Twitter account*, to the extent that the police had occasion to have a little word in his shell-like.

Anyway: it's rather small beer compared to things in the US - where the President and Vice-President (rather than a relatively well known comedy writer) are in cahoots to try to stop their embassies from flying the rainbow flag (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48641960) (and other things that would stop gay people from being ... allowed ... to be).  Still, the embassies tend to respond well to such demands, so there's hope yet:

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/485/socialembed/https://twitter.com/USAmbNepal/status/1134670747039805441~/news/world-us-canada-48641960)

*Brave and foolhardy be the Interweb surfer who spends too long trying to unravel that palaver.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 23 June, 2019, 05:46:59 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 23 June, 2019, 04:33:00 PM
I think he's referring to something quite British (& Irish) that probably hasn't flagged up too strongly in the US.  Graham Linehan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Linehan) was a much-loved comedy writer who has, in recent years, seemingly become obsessed with anti-transgender activism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Linehan#Anti-Transgender_activism) through the medium of his Twitter account*, to the extent that the police had occasion to have a little word in his shell-like.

Anyway: it's rather small beer compared to things in the US - where the President and Vice-President (rather than a relatively well known comedy writer) are in cahoots to try to stop their embassies from flying the rainbow flag (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48641960) (and other things that would stop gay people from being ... allowed ... to be).  Still, the embassies tend to respond well to such demands, so there's hope yet:


You, me, and a pint would get on real well  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 23 June, 2019, 05:55:33 PM
Funt's got it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 June, 2019, 05:19:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sspRKL7.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and fifty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 503-506 of 2000AD, covering January of 1987. This episode Dredd handles Varks, DJs, and novelists, Nemesis splits the team and Thoth is doing time crimes, Johnny Alpha makes a new friend, Sláine talks old times, and our Bad Company friend Malcolm is having a bad day. Also Conrad tries to explain what'll be going on behind the scenes of 2000AD in the year 1987, and will surely be corrected from all corners, to say nothing of our pronunciation of Niamh!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 June, 2019, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 June, 2019, 05:19:20 AM
In our thrilling hundred and fifty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 503-506 of 2000AD, covering January of 1987. This episode Dredd handles Varks, DJs, and novelists, Nemesis splits the team and Thoth is doing time crimes, Johnny Alpha makes a new friend, Sláine talks old times, and our Bad Company friend Malcolm is having a bad day. Also Conrad tries to explain what'll be going on behind the scenes of 2000AD in the year 1987, and will surely be corrected from all corners, to say nothing of our pronunciation of Niamh!

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BIZMO KLUX!  Night of the Rad-Beast - "need bits for Bizmo!"

(I've only listened to half - note to self - don't listen to the bit about the old king having to eat Fomorian waste while eating lunch)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 24 June, 2019, 09:19:50 PM
Got as far as Kano as Alex Jones and was guffawing so hard I thought I might get thrown off the bus - genius!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sintec on 27 June, 2019, 09:16:16 PM
Just joined you via a few of your collections.  Awesome stuff.  Trying to avoid spoilers for stuff coming up in the current Ultimate Collection as this is my first read of loads of this stuff.  Figured it was safer sticking to the collections as I could pick ones I've either read or which aren't going to be included.  Your enthusiasm for Shako makes me wish he was being included now :( Maybe I'll have to grab the trade at some point.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 July, 2019, 06:25:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/GG3zByK.png)

In our thrilling hundred and sixtieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 507-510 of 2000AD, covering January and February 1987 . This time Ulysses Sweet is on the case, Danny Franks gets a new hat, the taxidermist is on the job, a king is slain, and the President Reagan is missing!

Note: Conrad identifies the artist for the cover of Prog 509 as Carlos Ezquerra, but it's actually Robin Smith. Don't believe Conrad's lies!

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Quote from: sintec on 27 June, 2019, 09:16:16 PM
Just joined you via a few of your collections.  Awesome stuff.  Trying to avoid spoilers for stuff coming up in the current Ultimate Collection as this is my first read of loads of this stuff.  Figured it was safer sticking to the collections as I could pick ones I've either read or which aren't going to be included.  Your enthusiasm for Shako makes me wish he was being included now :( Maybe I'll have to grab the trade at some point.

Nice, welcome aboard! I always want to do more collections but my laziness gets in the way far too often :(
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 July, 2019, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 July, 2019, 06:25:02 AM
In our thrilling hundred and sixtieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 507-510 of 2000AD, covering January and February 1987 . This time Ulysses Sweet is on the case, Danny Franks gets a new hat, the taxidermist is on the job, a king is slain, and the President Reagan is missing!

Note: Conrad identifies the artist for the cover of Prog 509 as Carlos Ezquerra, but it's actually Robin Smith. Don't believe Conrad's lies!

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Unless I missed it, you don't mention that Paxo is a brand of stuffing mix, so I guess it was a cultural reference for British audiences?

(https://digitalcontent.api.tesco.com/v1/media/ghs/snapshotimagehandler_32702375.jpeg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 01 July, 2019, 04:40:59 PM
I really enjoyed Conrad's amazing Godfather impersonation.  It caused a sudden tea::cereal interface.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 July, 2019, 10:37:39 PM
HP Sauce!

Birmingham's fourth greatest export, after Heavy Metal, Smash and guns...

Sadly long since gone from Aston - my uncle used to work there!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 07 July, 2019, 07:41:37 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 July, 2019, 10:37:39 PM
HP Sauce!

Birmingham's fourth greatest export, after Heavy Metal, Smash and guns...

Sadly long since gone from Aston - my uncle used to work there!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Sauce)

Between a different american and a british person in my week:

"What's in HP? It's pretty good!"

"Well, the type of stuff what is delicious."

"Like what?"

"You like A1?"

"Yeah."

"A lot of whatever that is, but more delicious, concentrated, and viscous."
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 July, 2019, 05:21:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/W8bbxBy.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 511-514 of 2000AD, covering February and March 1987 . This time Johnny and Red hit the rapids, Fludd learns to fight, Bad Company gets drunk, and Edgar Allen Poe-body's Nerfect in Judge Dredd!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 July, 2019, 05:37:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/6Vp8MWH.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 515-518 of 2000AD, covering March and April 1987 . This time Johnny Alpha finds love on the slaughterfield, Bad Company gets in a final battle, Dredd meets the Ripper, Fludd builds an army, and Sláine gets hitched!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 15 July, 2019, 01:13:58 PM
I've been inspired by recent episodes to re-read The Dead (Thanks to Extreme Edition 21:
https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/specials/DD21 (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/specials/DD21)).

Just the most amazingly weird story, I think the weirdest ever to appear in the Prog. After Pete Milligan confessed (at the 40th do) that his entire writing career is essentially an attempt to match James Joyce, I was desperately trying to find some parallels between the comics 'The Dead' and the Joyce short story of the same name. Since I haven't actually read the short story I'm coming up empty, but it's fun looking for ultra-pretentious ways to parse things, e.g. the Demons are British colonizers invading a jaded Ireland, limbo wraiths as lapsed Catholics.

Fun, I tell ya!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 July, 2019, 06:22:09 PM
Whoa that's really interesting! I wish I knew more about Joyce to see what's what. The Dead is a weird story, themes of nihilism and body horror, with over the top art seemingly designed to make the reader uncomfortable. It feels weirdly modern in 1987!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 15 July, 2019, 09:32:09 PM
Was he joking?  Otherwise I'd be tempted to spend too long trying to map Sooner or Later, Bad Company, The Dead, Freaks, Tribal Memories, Shadows, Bix Barton, Hewligan's Haircut, Rogan Gosh, Skin, Johnny Nemo, Strange Days, Animal Man, Shade, Enigma, Tank Girl: the Odyssey, Hellblazer, Egypt and Greek Street to The Dubliners, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Exiles, Ulysses and Finnegans Wake.

The Tank Girl is the only one I can imagine being easy to match up!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 16 July, 2019, 12:00:00 AM
did you do that diliberately plan out bad company so it ended on the podcast before the big reveal xd :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 July, 2019, 01:50:02 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 15 July, 2019, 09:32:09 PM
Was he joking?  Otherwise I'd be tempted to spend too long trying to map Sooner or Later, Bad Company, The Dead, Freaks, Tribal Memories, Shadows, Bix Barton, Hewligan's Haircut, Rogan Gosh, Skin, Johnny Nemo, Strange Days, Animal Man, Shade, Enigma, Tank Girl: the Odyssey, Hellblazer, Egypt and Greek Street to The Dubliners, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Exiles, Ulysses and Finnegans Wake.

The Tank Girl is the only one I can imagine being easy to match up!

Presumably a lot of the 2000AD stories would be sections of larger works?

Quote from: The Monarch on 16 July, 2019, 12:00:00 AM
did you do that diliberately plan out bad company so it ended on the podcast before the big reveal xd :lol:

Just a lucky accident of the format, it's funny how it works out sometimes! The only time I'm choosing is the rare occasions when a year has 53 Mondays and I have to figure out which episode has to be a 5 proger, as we'll see during our 1988 coverage.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 July, 2019, 12:38:32 PM
If I could make one teeny suggestion for Fox next time...

(https://i.imgur.com/dYBsQdX.jpg)

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 July, 2019, 08:25:27 PM
Haha, we have fun for sure!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: CitizenDoov on 17 July, 2019, 03:43:30 AM
Found myself laughing in the street while listening to this episode on my walk to work. Fox was really on one this week  :lol:
More of this please
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2019, 02:14:55 PM
Just the other day I was listening to one of the podcasts about late 200s progs where you were talking about The Executioner storyline - which has Judge DeGaulle hauled in as a suspect by Dredd - then less than a week later DeGaulle comes up again!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 18 July, 2019, 02:41:59 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 15 July, 2019, 09:32:09 PM
Was he joking?  Otherwise I'd be tempted to spend too long trying to map Sooner or Later, Bad Company, The Dead, Freaks, Tribal Memories, Shadows, Bix Barton, Hewligan's Haircut, Rogan Gosh, Skin, Johnny Nemo, Strange Days, Animal Man, Shade, Enigma, Tank Girl: the Odyssey, Hellblazer, Egypt and Greek Street to The Dubliners, A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, Exiles, Ulysses and Finnegans Wake.

The Tank Girl is the only one I can imagine being easy to match up!

I actually have read 'Portrait of the artist' (and the first 300 or so pages of Ulysses many years ago, and a whopping 2 pages of Finnegan's Wake) - I think it's not much of a reach to map the character traits of young Stephen Deadalus (that word again...) onto the standard Milligan protagonist - Danny Franks being the most obvious version, but certainly all the ones who have some level of self-doubt. Funnily enough perhaps the most obviously Joycean story of Milligan's I've read wasn't on your list - the deliciously neon Skreemer.

Tribal Memories, I think, is more or less an updated retelling of part of Brave New World. Fun fact.

I really don't think Mr Milligan was joking! If you're going to aspire to being a writer, you could do a lot lot worse than taking on J. Joyce. Whereas your G. Morrisons and M. Millars strike me as pretentious for the sake of sounding clever, Milligan's pretentiousness feels like he is actually being extremely clever.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 July, 2019, 05:00:36 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 18 July, 2019, 02:41:59 PM
Funnily enough perhaps the most obviously Joycean story of Milligan's I've read wasn't on your list - the deliciously neon Skreemer.

That's because I don't own a copy!

QuoteTribal Memories, I think, is more or less an updated retelling of part of Brave New World. Fun fact.

I've read and like both of those and can see that - shall have to bear in mind when re-reading!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: I, Cosh on 18 July, 2019, 05:34:09 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 18 July, 2019, 02:41:59 PM
I really don't think Mr Milligan was joking! If you're going to aspire to being a writer, you could do a lot lot worse than taking on J. Joyce.
Milligan always had a much more obvious literary bent than his peers.

It's a long time since I read it, but the title of Shadows comes from TS Eliot and I think there's a bunch of references in the story itself.

Plenty of literary allusion and other shenanigans in Shade too. There are storylines maed for On the Road and Un Saison dans l'enfer. No idea if there's any connection between the story and the poem but it always reminds me of the time my 6th year French teacher thought that drawing a guy with a bandana and a chainsaw and telling us it was Rimbaud was the funniest thing ever.

One of his vey best is a two-parter where Shade finds himself in 1920s Paris. The story is narrated by Joyce and Hemmingway, each trying to assert their own memory of what happened in a double pastiche of their alternately lean and verbose styles. So, he's probably a fan.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2019, 05:23:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ckuBsUq.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-third episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1987 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special has some great stories featuring Judge Dredd, some classic Strontium Dog action, and a Nemesis the Warlock photo comic!

This episode Conrad is joined by 2000AD Forums member and creator of the Heroes of 2000AD blog AlexF!

On the episode we discuss a video short of Nemesis the Warlock, check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQM0Nd-YkGI
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 July, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2019, 05:23:04 AM
In our thrilling hundred and sixty-third episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1987 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special has some great stories featuring Judge Dredd, some classic Strontium Dog action, and a Nemesis the Warlock photo comic!

This episode Conrad is joined by 2000AD Forums member and creator of the Heroes of 2000AD blog AlexF!

On the episode we discuss a video short of Nemesis the Warlock, check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQM0Nd-YkGI

If only I'd done my prog slog last night - I'm two-thirds of the way through the Starlords containing the originals of the reprinted Strontium Dog strip - though the punishment was pretty obvious so not really spoiled for me :-)

I'm wondering - Conrad - do you have any future specials or annuals booked by other guests?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2019, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 19 July, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
I'm wondering - Conrad - do you have any future specials or annuals booked by other guests?

One or two, but most slots are open, and I'm always on the look out for more people, especially as we get into the early 90s and there are two or three more specials added to the list! Anyone's welcome, but please keep in mind that like Alex you might be signing up for something several months in the future! For the record I'm also keeping some slots on open for possible special guests, but it doesn't hurt to ask :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
Great show!  i have strong memories of reading this Dredd and being disappointed by the ending - more than perhaps I should have been, but it felt like the very first misfire from Wagner/Grant to be pulling out that hoary cliche for an ending - good caall on it having goo material for a Daily Star Dredd if they'd ended it at that halfway point!

I wonder if there is something in this hit List/diary of an alien editor thing as nerd bait?  My first special was the one where this started, and it absolutely captivated me to see all these stories that had come before and prepped me for the collecting bug.

The Stront is a weird thing though I wouldnt go as far as Conrad and write it off as non-canonical!  It's Alpha's first (but not only!) Genocide, after all!

I never got the message to listen to the Smiths from 2000AD - was that Zenith, Alex?  Beefheart, yes, then later some failed attempts to sell me on the delights of this so called "dance" music - isnt all music dance music??

I'd love to join you for a Special (1991 Dredd Annual would be dream for me for obvious reasons!), but I am afriad that you would not thank me for inflicting Brumminess on your show.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 19 July, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
isnt all music dance music??

No. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EEZAivzl1Q)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 July, 2019, 08:46:51 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
Great show!  i have strong memories of reading this Dredd and being disappointed by the ending - more than perhaps I should have been, but it felt like the very first misfire from Wagner/Grant to be pulling out that hoary cliche for an ending - good caall on it having goo material for a Daily Star Dredd if they'd ended it at that halfway point!


I'm with you on that - I absolutely intensely hate 'it was all a dream' endings to stories (except for Neil Gaiman's Sandman, but that's the whole point!)  Unrelated to 2000AD (and obvious spoiler because of what we're talking about) but John Masefield's The Box of Delights tells the entire story, resolves everything and then the protagonist wakes up - even though the story was complete!  *grrr*

QuoteI never got the message to listen to the Smiths from 2000AD - was that Zenith, Alex?


Zenith hasn't appeared yet - I've looked through the special just now and can't figure out what the Smith reference could be - the cover line is 'The Future is Now' which is a little like 'How Soon is Now', but that isn't it, is it?


QuoteI'd love to join you for a Special (1991 Dredd Annual would be dream for me for obvious reasons!), but I am afriad that you would not thank me for inflicting Brumminess on your show.


Oops - that's the one I claimed in PM!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 09:46:01 PM
You've done the World a service, Sheridan!  :lol:

I'm assuming the Smiths reference was in the prog somewhere?  First I heard about the Smiths was in 1988 when I went to the posh 6th Form and all the cool kids were listening to this "new" band and sneering at my METAL!  I feel the hatred of Morrissey formed in the white heat of those years has served me well in the long run...

Quote from: sheridan on 19 July, 2019, 08:46:51 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
Great show!  i have strong memories of reading this Dredd and being disappointed by the ending - more than perhaps I should have been, but it felt like the very first misfire from Wagner/Grant to be pulling out that hoary cliche for an ending - good caall on it having goo material for a Daily Star Dredd if they'd ended it at that halfway point!


I'm with you on that - I absolutely intensely hate 'it was all a dream' endings to stories (except for Neil Gaiman's Sandman, but that's the whole point!)  Unrelated to 2000AD (and obvious spoiler because of what we're talking about) but John Masefield's The Box of Delights tells the entire story, resolves everything and then the protagonist wakes up - even though the story was complete!  *grrr*

QuoteI never got the message to listen to the Smiths from 2000AD - was that Zenith, Alex?


Zenith hasn't appeared yet - I've looked through the special just now and can't figure out what the Smith reference could be - the cover line is 'The Future is Now' which is a little like 'How Soon is Now', but that isn't it, is it?


QuoteI'd love to join you for a Special (1991 Dredd Annual would be dream for me for obvious reasons!), but I am afriad that you would not thank me for inflicting Brumminess on your show.


Oops - that's the one I claimed in PM!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2019, 10:11:46 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
I'd love to join you for a Special (1991 Dredd Annual would be dream for me for obvious reasons!), but I am afriad that you would not thank me for inflicting Brumminess on your show.

As Sheridan mentioned, he already called that one, sorry :( While we could do a three person episode I'd much prefer if everyone does their own episode because (as I mentioned) there are a lot of specials coming up! If there's others you'd like to do please message me here or email me at spacespinner2000@gmail.com, I'm sure we can work something out!

Also, generally I appreciate the assumption that we'll get to these annuals, there's still so much ground to cover!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2019, 10:43:07 PM
Sorry to spam, I just went through my records and realized that I'd promised the 91 Dredd annual to someone over a year ago! This long-term podcasting can get confusing! Anyhow, there are still a wide variety of annuals and specials to choose from, including most of the ones from 1988 and then pretty much through 1996, though keep in mind that some of those might not be recorded for quite some time!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 11:03:03 PM
Hmm! 1988 annual has the last Classic Carlos Stront I think?.... may PM and take whats going!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 20 July, 2019, 06:23:34 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
I never got the message to listen to the Smiths from 2000AD

(https://i.imgur.com/yzE0AQu.png?1)


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 21 July, 2019, 07:53:19 PM
I was gonna say pretty sure I asked for the 91 dredd annual when conrad first brought up the idea of co hosts. i picked 91 because it was my first annual and err other reasons that i cannot get into just yet
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 21 July, 2019, 11:11:43 PM
As I say, I never got the message to listen to the Smiths...  :lol:  Good catch though Frank!

Quote from: Frank on 20 July, 2019, 06:23:34 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 July, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
I never got the message to listen to the Smiths from 2000AD

(https://i.imgur.com/yzE0AQu.png?1)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 July, 2019, 01:31:06 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 21 July, 2019, 07:53:19 PM
I was gonna say pretty sure I asked for the 91 dredd annual when conrad first brought up the idea of co hosts. i picked 91 because it was my first annual and err other reasons that i cannot get into just yet
Yep yep, sorry, it's an inexact science, this podcast stuff!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 July, 2019, 05:54:57 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/h1dhPd3.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 519-522 of 2000AD, covering April and May 1987 . This time Judges do ads, the Wolf comes to Mega-City One, Torquemada gets married, and Reagan drops the soap!

For the record I really wanted to make the cover Reagan in the shower, but couldn't get a good square picture of it :(

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 22 July, 2019, 10:18:12 AM
I see a musical number is compulsory in every episode now that Disney own Fox...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 July, 2019, 07:54:44 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 22 July, 2019, 10:18:12 AM
I see a musical number is compulsory in every episode now that Disney own Fox...

It was a very musical period of weeks! That's probably it for a while though, sadly.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 23 July, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
I was at a  music festival at the weekend and one of the DJs kept using the air-horn sound effect - everyone around me thought I was off my head (well I was) because I kept cracking up every time he used it - he was laying down some serious tunes, but all I could think of was "Oh no, the humans are the monsters after all! Bambambam! The aliens are really tiny! Bambambam!"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 27 July, 2019, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 23 July, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
I was at a  music festival at the weekend and one of the DJs kept using the air-horn sound effect - everyone around me thought I was off my head (well I was) because I kept cracking up every time he used it - he was laying down some serious tunes, but all I could think of was "Oh no, the humans are the monsters after all! Bambambam! The aliens are really tiny! Bambambam!"

Just <3
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 July, 2019, 12:37:51 AM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 27 July, 2019, 11:32:58 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 23 July, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
I was at a  music festival at the weekend and one of the DJs kept using the air-horn sound effect - everyone around me thought I was off my head (well I was) because I kept cracking up every time he used it - he was laying down some serious tunes, but all I could think of was "Oh no, the humans are the monsters after all! Bambambam! The aliens are really tiny! Bambambam!"

Just <3

As many of the episodes are a shade under an hour in length, I've recently taken to scrolling down a random amount of times and playing whatever I land on (roulette style/wheel of fortune style) and listening while I have my lunch.  When I return to the office I continue to listen until my hour is up which is fine...

...until the airhorn sounds and people around can suddently hear weird noises coming from my earphones.  I have to just look at them sheepishly and explain I'm listening to a podcast.  Though it's a very mixed office, so then I sometimes have to explain what a podcast is...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 July, 2019, 01:35:29 AM
I usually say "it's a radio show over the internet" when people ask, then hope they don't have any questions after that!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 July, 2019, 08:21:03 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 July, 2019, 01:35:29 AM
I usually say "it's a radio show over the internet" when people ask, then hope they don't have any questions after that!

Suggestion taken - if it comes up again I'll say that!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 July, 2019, 05:34:21 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/0AXAF5G.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 523-526 of 2000AD, covering May and June 1987. This time Anderson and Hershey fight the wolf, Dredd fights rats and raggedy men, Rogue fights for his life, Torquemada fights the past, and Mean Team fights a bunch of weirdos. Also DR & Quinch are back to give advice!

This episode Fox mentions the Alton Towers episode of Defunctland. Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbuXDlEJPME

More singing this episode I'm afraid, but I think that's it for a least a week or two!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 29 July, 2019, 10:33:11 AM
I know someone called D'Antiquis and they pronounce it 'Dee ANT-tick-QUIT-iss', although as it's an Anglicised version of a Dutch name I think your guess is probably as good as any - I know about a dozen people and at least four place names called 'Broughton' and every single one of them pronounce it differently (even though two of them are actually cousins).

I was once in the Hampshire village of Alton (a place mainly know for Sweet Fanny Adams) and was stopped for directions to Alton Towers - I couldn't give exact directions, because they're about a hundred and fifty miles to the north, on the other side of Birmingham. Then I got glared at, as though it was MY fault...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 29 July, 2019, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 29 July, 2019, 10:33:11 AM
I was once in the Hampshire village of Alton (a place mainly know for Sweet Fanny Adams) and was stopped for directions to Alton Towers - I couldn't give exact directions, because they're about a hundred and fifty miles to the north, on the other side of Birmingham. Then I got glared at, as though it was MY fault...

I live quite near Alton - that's brilliant!  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 29 July, 2019, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 29 July, 2019, 11:01:22 AM
I live quite near Alton - that's brilliant!  :lol:

I know, right? That was in about 1996, too, so he couldn't even blame it on a sat-nav. It must have taken real dedication to get THAT lost and confused...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 29 July, 2019, 12:27:45 PM
I work near the Lowry Arts Centre in Salford, and have had to redirect several confused suitcase-laden tourists who can't find the Lowry Hotel - which is a couple of miles away in the City Centre.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 July, 2019, 12:35:52 PM
Try getting directions to Leeds Castle.  Hint - it's nowhere near Leeds in West Yorkshire!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 July, 2019, 12:36:51 PM
rhymezone (rhyming dictionary) (https://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=twosome&typeofrhyme=perfect&org1=syl&org2=l&org3=y) comes up with knew some twosome, viewsome twosome, seduce him twosome, introduce some twosome...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 August, 2019, 05:27:42 AM
For the record I'm going with "Toothsome Twosome"

(https://i.imgur.com/JcZA4kn.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 527-530 of 2000AD, covering June and July 1987. This time Orlock is out, Dredd deals with a Fairly Hyperman, Bad Jack learns some very important things about himself, Rogue frees some slaves, and Ronald Reagan is heading home!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 05 August, 2019, 12:58:04 PM
Great stuff - though my lunch hour ends in a few minutes and I'm only up to Durham Red getting the good kind of adrenochrome :-)

p.s. British ring pulls now are different to ring pulls then - though no idea what current USA ring pulls look like...

p.p.s. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drink_can) makes it look like most/all ring pulls worldwide are standardised nowadays.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 August, 2019, 05:55:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XP8dkp0.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-seventh episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1988 Judge Dredd Annual.  This is the eighth Dredd Annual, and features a multi part story with full color art by John Higgins, a prose story by Neil Gaiman, and classic tales from the archive!

This episode Conrad is joined by Eamonn Clarke of the Mega-City Book club podcast! Every other week Eamonn and a guest read and review a 2000AD related collection. It's a great show, especially for fans of 2000AD!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 09 August, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 August, 2019, 05:55:37 AM
https://i.imgur.com/XP8dkp0.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/XP8dkp0.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-seventh episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1988 Judge Dredd Annual.  This is the eighth Dredd Annual, and features a multi part story with full color art by John Higgins, a prose story by Neil Gaiman, and classic tales from the archive!

This episode Conrad is joined by Eamonn Clarke of the Mega-City Book club podcast! Every other week Eamonn and a guest read and review a 2000AD related collection. It's a great show, especially for fans of 2000AD!

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The original gist of Bolland's rejected page for the 500th issue was a moan about IPC merching the hell out of Dredd without the creators getting a penny. That's why it didn't appear; Bollo didn't crash his deadline (for once).

Here's the original text (and a direct link to a slightly less blurry version (https://i.imgur.com/121ZBMe.png) than this forum allows)


(https://i.imgur.com/121ZBMe.png)


Good observation that he appears to be drawing The Killing Joke, which he would indeed have been working on at that time (and for some time after).


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Greg M. on 09 August, 2019, 12:35:23 PM
You'll get a better look at the original art for the Bolland page on this gentleman's CAF site:

https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1132045 (https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1132045)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 09 August, 2019, 12:44:48 PM
contents page is Higgins as well - full house for Higgins!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 09 August, 2019, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: Greg M. on 09 August, 2019, 12:35:23 PM
You'll get a better look at the original art for the Bolland page on this gentleman's CAF site:

https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1132045 (https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerypiece.asp?piece=1132045)

Legend. Cheers, Gregory.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 10 August, 2019, 09:02:16 AM
Poor Dennis. He was ugly before it was cool. Mabel would have been all over him eighteen months later...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 August, 2019, 03:05:37 PM
Did anybody work out what was supposed to be so revolutionary about Dennis, seeing as clones (and accelerated cloning) were already in use at the time?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Greg M. on 10 August, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
He had a third bollock.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 10 August, 2019, 07:17:53 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 10 August, 2019, 03:05:37 PM
Did anybody work out what was supposed to be so revolutionary about Dennis, seeing as clones (and accelerated cloning) were already in use at the time?

Frankenstein is clearly following the long established tradition of inventing something that already exists but doesn't work quite as well as the original, just like Alan Sugar.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 August, 2019, 08:46:16 AM
Ah jeez, sorry for missing the Bolland stuff. I saw this original version before the episode went live, as part of the response to our coverage of prog 500, but sadly that was way after this episode was recorded, and I was sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. I will provide a correction in a future episode!

Quote from: sheridan on 10 August, 2019, 03:05:37 PM
Did anybody work out what was supposed to be so revolutionary about Dennis, seeing as clones (and accelerated cloning) were already in use at the time?

Is there cloning among the general public in MC-1? We've seen elderly rich people have to choose between a robot body and getting a full brain transplant to a donor body before, and you'd think they'd use personal clones instead. Could cloning be a secret of the Justice Department? But if it is how did those mutants that stole the baby judge clones in the Dredd Angel story know what they had? BAH!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 11 August, 2019, 09:39:47 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 August, 2019, 08:46:16 AM
Ah jeez, sorry for missing the Bolland stuff. I saw this original version before the episode went live, as part of the response to our coverage of prog 500, but sadly that was way after this episode was recorded, and I was sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. I will provide a correction in a future episode!

Quote from: sheridan on 10 August, 2019, 03:05:37 PM
Did anybody work out what was supposed to be so revolutionary about Dennis, seeing as clones (and accelerated cloning) were already in use at the time?


There's also the much later story "Too many Jimmy Deans"(?) which has a craze for clone babies sweep the city in Cal's reign leading to a bunch of "Rebel Without a Cause" teens causing trouble for the City...
Is there cloning among the general public in MC-1? We've seen elderly rich people have to choose between a robot body and getting a full brain transplant to a donor body before, and you'd think they'd use personal clones instead. Could cloning be a secret of the Justice Department? But if it is how did those mutants that stole the baby judge clones in the Dredd Angel story know what they had? BAH!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 11 August, 2019, 10:34:21 AM
I imagine it goes like this.

The public know about it, but apart from Cal, it's highly regulated.

It wouldn't exactly make Justice Department's life easier if you had widespread cloning.

Also worth mentioning Judd wanting to clone/genetically manipulate a compliant population.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 11 August, 2019, 11:05:58 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 11 August, 2019, 09:39:47 AM
Is there cloning among the general public in MC-1? We've seen elderly rich people have to choose between a robot body and getting a full brain transplant to a donor body before, and you'd think they'd use personal clones instead. Could cloning be a secret of the Justice Department?

And there are all those full-body rejuves we're told Dredd has been having. You'd think the Jeff Epsteins of MC1 would be right on that (i).

Of course, MC1 could now be full of fresh-faced identical billionaires for all we know, so seldom do the lives of ordinary citizens disrupt the soap opera of Justice Department and their bitchy rivals. Smiley was mugging Hershey, while that melt Badger and Sector Zero totally pied-off the Department - now their heads have been turned by CJ Logan and Pin's getting salty with Dredd! Oh my God!


(i) And not just for themselves ... ick. Justice Department and their East-Meg equivalents - Kazan was always banging-on about his clone Mother - sure have a lot of unmonetised, bespoke tech.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 11 August, 2019, 12:38:51 PM
"The Citizens? What makes you think the readers would be interested in them?"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 August, 2019, 06:05:20 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and sixty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 531-534 of 2000AD, covering July & August 1987. This time Orlock escapes, Rogue gets his hit, Bad Jack is immortal, Johnny Alpha aids a royal wedding, and the revolution begins, and ends, in Judge Dredd.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: TordelBack on 12 August, 2019, 07:37:30 PM
Great episode, hard to believe now that the Democracy storyline ran at the same time as the criminal waste of Massimo that was later Mean Team.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 12 August, 2019, 08:06:34 PM

I like how seriously you both took Revolution, the most misidentified story* in 2000ad fandom.

You're completely wrong about Taxi Driver (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=PAULH), the story which, as a new reader, made me realise Megacity stories didn't need Judge Dredd in them to work. That's the direction I'd take the strip in once I let Dredd die, which is why nobody's asking me to edit their comic or give them financial advice.

Vera Duckworth's mostly a riff on Lady Di, who - despite growing up in a castle and being an actual Lady - was figured as Cinderella by UK media because she had a job and drove a mini. The more recent marriage of Fergie might have given Wagner & Grant the idea of marrying a mutant. The character's name, as usual, is from Coronation Street (https://coronationstreet.fandom.com/wiki/Vera_Duckworth).


* Tharg might as well retroactively retitle it Democracy, since that's what it will be called forever. On a related note, one of the groups voted for their favourite Judge Dredd story ever at the weekend. The winner was The Dark Judges, a story that does not exist.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JOE SOAP on 12 August, 2019, 08:56:52 PM
Quote from: Frank on 12 August, 2019, 08:06:34 PM

You're completely wrong about Taxi Driver (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=PAULH), the story which, as a new reader, made me realise Megacity stories didn't need Judge Dredd in them to work. That's the direction I'd take the strip in once I let Dredd die

Or when he retires (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulay2FvUEd8) from Justice Dept.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 August, 2019, 08:58:26 PM
Quote from: Frank on 12 August, 2019, 08:06:34 PM

I like how seriously you both took Revolution, the most misidentified story* in 2000ad fandom.

You're completely wrong about Taxi Driver (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=PAULH), the story which, as a new reader, made me realise Megacity stories didn't need Judge Dredd in them to work. That's the direction I'd take the strip in once I let Dredd die, which is why nobody's asking me to edit their comic or give them financial advice.

Vera Duckworth's mostly a riff on Lady Di, who - despite growing up in a castle and being an actual Lady - was figured as Cinderella by UK media because she had a job and drove a mini. The more recent marriage of Fergie might have given Wagner & Grant the idea of marrying a mutant. The character's name, as usual, is from Coronation Street (https://coronationstreet.fandom.com/wiki/Vera_Duckworth).


* Tharg might as well retroactively retitle it Democracy, since that's what it will be called forever. On a related note, one of the groups voted for their favourite Judge Dredd story ever at the weekend. The winner was The Dark Judges, a story that does not exist.

Thanks, Revolution (along with the previous episode's Reasons to be Fearful) are really important to me as a Dredd fan, making the subtext that runs through the character explicitly text.

That's a fair point about Taxi Driver, though I might have dismissed it because felt like that was a pretty known quantity? I'm thinking of previous stories that focus on Mega-Citizens where Dredd and other judges exist mostly as vague antagonists or are just there to pick up the pieces (Stories like: Citizen Snork, Taxidermist, The Magnificent Obsession (aka Two Ton Tony), Eat of the Night and so on). I know on the show I've said a couple times that some of my favorite Dredd stories are ones where Dredd doesn't show up that much. I definitely agree that it's a mistake to focus exclusively on Judges and Judge intrigue, there's a massive city full of weirdos out there! I appreciate the point though, it's important to remember that every prog is someone's first and not everyone is carrying out the weight of every prog in their minds!

Vera Duckworth as Lady Di is interesting, I admit I don't know a lot of the ins and outs of her story, probably because I'm too young and too American! Same with Coronation Street, though I'm increasingly feeling like I have to watch it so that I can get all the weird in-jokes built into Dredd!

Personally I remember this one as Democracy because I think later there is an actual referendum vote on the Judges? Though I guess that one's called The Devil You Know. Also I personally always get the title Judge Death Lives confused with the Anderson story Four Dark Judges, so I guess I can't throw stones :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 12 August, 2019, 09:21:46 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 August, 2019, 08:58:26 PM
I might have dismissed it because felt like that was a pretty known quantity? I'm thinking of previous stories that focus on Mega-Citizens where Dredd and other judges exist mostly as vague antagonists or are just there to pick up the pieces (Stories like: Citizen Snork, Taxidermist, The Magnificent Obsession (aka Two Ton Tony), Eat of the Night and so on). I know on the show I've said a couple times that some of my favorite Dredd stories are ones where Dredd doesn't show up that much.

Oh yeah, I'm sure everyone knew that, but I'd only read 20 progs at this point. I mostly enjoyed it for the cabbie's indifference and casual cruelty towards the guy dying in the back of his cab - that dialogue's great.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 August, 2019, 07:18:02 PM
Grud bless you Conrad! Somebody's clearly had a quiet word, because I was steeling myself for weeks of wincing every time you said "Zee-nith", but you now seem to be saying it correctly  :lol:

You're right in that we always tend to think of 1987 as late-golden-age, but in between those big classic stories, there is quite a lot of filler, especially in these last few progs!

King Clarkie wasn't really a bad guy in the revolution - he was the one that offered amnesty and reform in return for surrender, but was then overruled by the politicians who decided to execute them all anyway - and thus restarted the war. Another nod to the Charles & Di story is that Prince Charles, like King Clarkie, famously talks to his plants (I don't think they talk back yet...).

As for Jack Keller's codpiece - he's effectively got his junk in a facsimile of his best friend - nothing weird about that then!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 August, 2019, 08:42:21 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 14 August, 2019, 07:18:02 PM
Grud bless you Conrad! Somebody's clearly had a quiet word, because I was steeling myself for weeks of wincing every time you said "Zee-nith", but you now seem to be saying it correctly  :lol:

You're right in that we always tend to think of 1987 as late-golden-age, but in between those big classic stories, there is quite a lot of filler, especially in these last few progs!

King Clarkie wasn't really a bad guy in the revolution - he was the one that offered amnesty and reform in return for surrender, but was then overruled by the politicians who decided to execute them all anyway - and thus restarted the war. Another nod to the Charles & Di story is that Prince Charles, like King Clarkie, famously talks to his plants (I don't think they talk back yet...).

As for Jack Keller's codpiece - he's effectively got his junk in a facsimile of his best friend - nothing weird about that then!

Haha, stay tuned for next week as we have a low-key fight about the pronunciation! :D

I'm liking '87 a lot actually, but I think it does have a different energy compared to earlier in the decade. We're post golden age, but not yet in decline, imo.

It's a fair point about Clarkie, but I think he could have done more. Certainly not a great voice for mutant rights in the aftermath of the revolution, it doesn't seem like anyone was.

And for having your best friend on your codpiece...now I know what to get Fox for Christmas!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 August, 2019, 05:19:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dpO6jXp.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and sixty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 535-538 of 2000AD, covering August and September 1987. This time the Universal Soldier makes landfall, Mean Team is back in the pit, the Strontium Dog wedding is off, Dredd is heading down the bayou, and Zenith begins-with a bang! This episode we reach an amazing milestone, we've now read 25% of 2000AD! We're halfway to halfway!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vernoona on 19 August, 2019, 06:11:39 AM
Congrats on the milestone! Space Spinner has been hugely helpful to me as a very recent fan of the comic. Long may you continue!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 19 August, 2019, 12:16:39 PM

I wouldn't trust assurances that there's a correct UK pronunciation of Zenith. Good luck on getting any three 2000ad readers to agree how to say Cursed Earth, Sláine or (a new one to me) Souther.

I like Gaiman's Future Shock more than Fox, although I think we agree it's too good an idea just to be a Future Shock. I might have misunderstood Fox's point, but Gaiman wasn't a name writer at the point he scored these gigs.

And thank you. Yes, that's what's wrong with Universal Soldier.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 August, 2019, 01:00:08 PM
Quote from: Frank on 19 August, 2019, 12:16:39 PM
I wouldn't trust assurances that there's a correct UK pronunciation of Zenith. Good luck on getting any three 2000ad readers to agree how to say Cursed Earth, Sláine or (a new one to me) Souther.

New one to me too - the word 'South' with 'er' on the end?  How else would it be pronounced?  Or are their more ways to pronounce the word 'South' than I thought?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 19 August, 2019, 01:18:18 PM
Is it Souther as in SOUTH or as in SOUTHERN?  ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 19 August, 2019, 02:14:32 PM
I got three: south-er, suther, sow-ther. Pretty sure I'm the third one.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 August, 2019, 02:17:07 PM
Suther, surely? As in suth-ern.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 19 August, 2019, 02:50:11 PM
https://www.howtopronounce.com/souther/ (https://www.howtopronounce.com/souther/)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 19 August, 2019, 03:41:35 PM
"Zenith - Yay! It's like Watchmen but not Watchmen!"

Ah, Zenith and Watchmen were published simultaneously at the same time so I don't think either of them could have influenced the other (although I suppose Morrison could have seen the first couple of issues of Watchmen if the 2000 AD commissioning and creation process went uncharacteristically quickly on this occasion).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 August, 2019, 05:35:57 PM
Quote from: Frank on 19 August, 2019, 12:16:39 PM

I wouldn't trust assurances that there's a correct UK pronunciation of Zenith. Good luck on getting any three 2000ad readers to agree how to say Cursed Earth, Sláine or (a new one to me) Souther.

I like Gaiman's Future Shock more than Fox, although I think we agree it's too good an idea just to be a Future Shock. I might have misunderstood Fox's point, but Gaiman wasn't a name writer at the point he scored these gigs.

And thank you. Yes, that's what's wrong with Universal Soldier.

We're solidly "Cursed (one syllable) Earth", "Slaine" and "South-er". I'm trying really hard to say Zen-ith instead of Zee-nith, but it goes against my US accent brain!

My basic plan is to agree to disagree with Fox on Future Shocks, he sees them exclusively as filler but I believe in the possibility of a prestige future shock!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 19 August, 2019, 06:10:35 PM
Abelard Snazz.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 19 August, 2019, 06:11:54 PM

With y'all on the love for Alabammy Blimps, a story which, as far as I can tell, is liked well enough, rather than cherished, as it deserves. Every character, every panel and every line of dialogue is a bit of business and all of it works brilliantly.

But especially FLATIN'.

Good call on the probable influence on the portrayal of the Angel gang in the Stallone movie, which would mean this one story likely influenced both movie Dredds. The matriarch of the 2012 movie was originally supposed to be an obese, middle-aged bruiser.

And this was the first time I realised Dredd's leathers were black. I think Carlos had depicted them that way in an annual story, but the move to painted colour must have caused discussion of the matter - I'm sure there's a reader's letter about it around this time.

It's great to see Dillon experimenting with different approaches to the new format. Within the course of these 4 episodes and the 2 he contributed to Oz, we see Dillon run the gamut from essentially flat colour to lush washes and textured strokes.

On his only other Dredds - Nightmares and Emerald Isle - Dillon lets others (i) handle the crayons. Crying shame, but I suppose he figured out the extra cash didn't compensate for the extra time and trouble, no matter how lovely the results.


(i) Gina Hart and Will Simpson, respectively
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 19 August, 2019, 07:12:04 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 August, 2019, 05:35:57 PM
I'm trying really hard to say Zen-ith instead of Zee-nith, but it goes against my US accent brain!

I've always said Zee-nith and think Zen-ith sounds stupid in my Scottish accent. Morrison says Zen-ith (https://youtu.be/IcW_EaNJQSo?t=3499), but he's a Weegie (https://findwords.info/term/weegie).


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 August, 2019, 07:49:39 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 19 August, 2019, 03:41:35 PM
"Zenith - Yay! It's like Watchmen but not Watchmen!"

Ah, Zenith and Watchmen were published simultaneously at the same time so I don't think either of them could have influenced the other (although I suppose Morrison could have seen the first couple of issues of Watchmen if the 2000 AD commissioning and creation process went uncharacteristically quickly on this occasion).

My understanding is that Watchmen would have been ending right when Zenith was starting, and Dark Knight Returns was February to June 1986. In Thrill Power Overload they definitely talk about both of them providing some inspiration for the story (or anti-inspiration, as Morrison tells it).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 August, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Also worthy of note, Alabammy Blimps was intended as a Daily Star strip (the daily multiparters), but for whatever reason, was transferred to the progs
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 19 August, 2019, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 August, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Also worthy of note, Alabammy Blimps was intended as a Daily Star strip (the daily multiparters), but for whatever reason, was transferred to the progs

I crown you King Fact. Can't remember the last time any of us passed on knowledge everyone hadn't already heard a dozen times, so kudos.

Morrison mentions Watchmen as one reason Zenith was commissioned in the clip I linked to above.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 19 August, 2019, 08:20:03 PM
Another great show - thanks Conrad and Fox. I have been reading along but I am skipping Mean Team - each time I get to it I think of you both heroically struggling through it but it must be the worst thing in a very long time. Universal Soldier and the Future Shocks are mildly pleasant to get tho´rough in comparison.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2019, 08:56:25 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 August, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Also worthy of note, Alabammy Blimps was intended as a Daily Star strip (the daily multiparters), but for whatever reason, was transferred to the progs

Well that's really interesting. Would be great to know why that happened and I assume that lead to a shift in artist as well?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 August, 2019, 09:10:03 PM
I shall go all Frank(s)* on us and quote from the Titan Judge Dredd collection intro (20), which my memory proved correct as the source of the Daily Star info:

"The Alabammy Blimps began life as a story to be serialised in the Judge Dredd daily newspaper strip, but eventually saw print iin progs 535-539.  It provoked less of an editorial response** with Dillon merely being advised to ensure the cannibalism aspect was played down.

However, once teh story saw print, readers began to pick up on the comments from those Alabammy rednecks, the McCoys, about the various activities they indulged in beginning with the letter "F". Wagner and Grant, at their humourous best, hadn't anticipated the substitutions made by most readers.

Ralf bonkington was based on a Company chairman who, at the time of writing the story, was having his carnal activities with an attractive model revealed in the newspapers.

Another unfortunate coincidence occurred when part 5 saw print with Big Mammy throwing Dredd all over the place saw print the same week that a wrestler died after a bout with another fighter called Big Daddy."

Introduction by *Frank Plowright

** The other story they refer to being Beating heart, where a page was removed in part 1 showing Earl Lacewing extracting Brad  Doddle's heart - whether the page removed before or after being drawn is not clear, but if the latter, that would make for an amazing collector's piece!

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2019, 08:56:25 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 August, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Also worthy of note, Alabammy Blimps was intended as a Daily Star strip (the daily multiparters), but for whatever reason, was transferred to the progs

Well that's really interesting. Would be great to know why that happened and I assume that lead to a shift in artist as well?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 August, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2019, 08:56:25 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 August, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Also worthy of note, Alabammy Blimps was intended as a Daily Star strip (the daily multiparters), but for whatever reason, was transferred to the progs

Well that's really interesting. Would be great to know why that happened and I assume that lead to a shift in artist as well?

Why so?  Steve Dillon drew for Daily Dredd?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 19 August, 2019, 09:24:24 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 August, 2019, 09:10:03 PM
... once teh story saw print, readers began to pick up on the comments from those Alabammy rednecks, the McCoys, about the various activities they indulged in beginning with the letter "F". Wagner and Grant, at their humourous best, hadn't anticipated the substitutions made by most readers.

Ralf bonkington was based on a Company chairman who, at the time of writing the story, was having his carnal activities with an attractive model revealed in the newspapers.

** The other story they refer to being Beating heart, where a page was removed in part 1 showing Earl Lacewing extracting Brad  Doddle's heart - whether the page removed before or after being drawn is not clear, but if the latter, that would make for an amazing collector's piece!

If it exists, Evil Dale Jackson has it.

LOL (as Dave Cameron would say) to both of the above - Sir Ralph, revealed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Halpern


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 August, 2019, 09:08:40 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 19 August, 2019, 09:22:22 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 August, 2019, 08:56:25 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 August, 2019, 07:58:55 PM
Also worthy of note, Alabammy Blimps was intended as a Daily Star strip (the daily multiparters), but for whatever reason, was transferred to the progs

Well that's really interesting. Would be great to know why that happened and I assume that lead to a shift in artist as well?

Why so?  Steve Dillon drew for Daily Dredd?

Did he, this I didn't know either. Just a big ol' ball of ignorance me on this one!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 20 August, 2019, 09:22:32 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/HMkJYDA.png?2)


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 21 August, 2019, 12:26:55 AM
Quote from: Frank on 20 August, 2019, 09:22:32 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/HMkJYDA.png?2)

Forgot about the weekend one - but he drew Fat City (https://twitter.com/2000ad/status/790968677252337664) for the dailies.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvnqf7UWEAAolCw?format=jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 August, 2019, 05:26:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KBWEQwk.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and seventieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 539-542 of 2000AD, covering September and October 1987. This time we meet the Freaks, Judge Dredd has a rematch, Mean Team get what's coming to them, the Universal Soldier endures, and Johnny Alpha deals with a sorry case!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 26 August, 2019, 09:15:37 AM
This one'll annoy you!

As a stereotypical posh tory arse-type, Peter St John almost certainly pronounces his surname as 'Sinjin'.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 August, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 26 August, 2019, 09:15:37 AM
This one'll annoy you!

As a stereotypical posh tory arse-type, Peter St John almost certainly pronounces his surname as 'Sinjin'.

What.

WHAT!?

Son of a...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 26 August, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
I don't think Zenith sounds like Rick Astley - he was a rather awkward and shy guy who had an amazing singing voice, Zenith seems more like Stefan Dennis (a soap opera actor given a record contract because that was the fashion of the time) or that bloke in the boxer shorts from that jeans advert. I think Zenith's voice is probably quite low down in the mix.

Hard to believe you're finished with Mean Team already - that seemed to drag on for a lot longer when it was in the prog at the time.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 26 August, 2019, 02:03:44 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 26 August, 2019, 09:15:37 AM
This one'll annoy you!

As a stereotypical posh tory arse-type, Peter St John almost certainly pronounces his surname as 'Sinjin'.

True, although I always say Saint John, since trying to make everyone pronounce it any other way is a weird reification of the mind control of the aristocracy. See also Ralph/Rafe Fiennes:

https://youtu.be/fH-sOS3QMqY


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 August, 2019, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 26 August, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
I don't think Zenith sounds like Rick Astley - he was a rather awkward and shy guy who had an amazing singing voice, Zenith seems more like Stefan Dennis (a soap opera actor given a record contract because that was the fashion of the time) or that bloke in the boxer shorts from that jeans advert. I think Zenith's voice is probably quite low down in the mix.


Nick Kamen (caught Madonna's eye, IIRC).


Zenith's actual voice would definitely not be uppermost!  I think of him more as a male Kylie though - because later he has that Madchester / slightly more respectable phase once KM got shot of SAW.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 August, 2019, 02:22:58 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 August, 2019, 09:53:24 AM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 26 August, 2019, 09:15:37 AM
This one'll annoy you!

As a stereotypical posh tory arse-type, Peter St John almost certainly pronounces his surname as 'Sinjin'.

What.

WHAT!?

Son of a...

Yeah - it took my knowing somebody called Stjohn (first name, and who most definitely is not an aristo tory type) until I worked out how Peter's name is pronounced!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: IronGraham on 27 August, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
Love the Podcast
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 27 August, 2019, 01:25:32 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 26 August, 2019, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 26 August, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
I don't think Zenith sounds like Rick Astley - he was a rather awkward and shy guy who had an amazing singing voice, Zenith seems more like Stefan Dennis (a soap opera actor given a record contract because that was the fashion of the time) or that bloke in the boxer shorts from that jeans advert. I think Zenith's voice is probably quite low down in the mix.


Nick Kamen (caught Madonna's eye, IIRC).


Zenith's actual voice would definitely not be uppermost!  I think of him more as a male Kylie though - because later he has that Madchester / slightly more respectable phase once KM got shot of SAW.

The McCarthy concepts in the back of the collected editions describe him as a mixture of Morrisey and Nick Kamen.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 August, 2019, 06:05:22 PM
Quote from: IronGraham on 27 August, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
Love the Podcast

Haha, thanks! That's a classic line from the Malak Blood story!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 27 August, 2019, 10:53:14 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 27 August, 2019, 01:25:32 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 26 August, 2019, 02:21:38 PM
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 26 August, 2019, 10:49:36 AM
I don't think Zenith sounds like Rick Astley - he was a rather awkward and shy guy who had an amazing singing voice, Zenith seems more like Stefan Dennis (a soap opera actor given a record contract because that was the fashion of the time) or that bloke in the boxer shorts from that jeans advert. I think Zenith's voice is probably quite low down in the mix.


Nick Kamen (caught Madonna's eye, IIRC).


Zenith's actual voice would definitely not be uppermost!  I think of him more as a male Kylie though - because later he has that Madchester / slightly more respectable phase once KM got shot of SAW.

The McCarthy concepts in the back of the collected editions describe him as a mixture of Morrisey and Nick Kamen.

Thanks Steve - I can see both influences.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 August, 2019, 05:22:51 AM
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In our thrilling hundred seventy-first episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1988 2000AD Annual. This is the eleventh 2000AD annual and we're seeing a great combination of new stories and classic thrills in these pages. The highlights of this year's annual include the classic Ro-Busters story Hammerstein's War Memories, vacationing with Torquemada, Judge Anderson's diary, some dirty Strontium Dog work, and some undercover investigations in Mega-City One!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 August, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
Oh heavens to murgatrode would you go back to that slow rate. I thought I was all but caught up after the Summer somehow kiboshed by listening... now this...

... or to out it another way. Fantastic keep it up chaps
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 August, 2019, 02:49:22 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 August, 2019, 12:58:34 PM
Oh heavens to murgatrode would you go back to that slow rate. I thought I was all but caught up after the Summer somehow kiboshed by listening... now this...

... or to out it another way. Fantastic keep it up chaps

Personally I always hate getting caught up with a show! Plus time, tide, and 2000AD wait for no man!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 September, 2019, 05:29:14 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and seventy-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 543-546 of 2000AD, covering October 1987. This time Zenith does a montage, the Freaks are freaky, The Strontium Dogs start a Rammy, and Chopper returns, as do Nemesis and Toruqemada! Also, I've since learned that ERNIE is related to a UK lottery bond. A joke we totally missed!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 02 September, 2019, 07:18:56 PM
Some thoughts on the annual:

Is Torq's second honeymoon, like "Olric's Quest", a flashback chapter plucked out of the main narrative for a Special?  Feels like it would fit very neatly into Torq the God as a "what went wrong?" flashback for Torq?

Not ony did Gibbons share a studio with McMahon, I belive he filled in the blacks at times to help him meet deadlines (possibly on The Fink itself?)

The Nursery Daily Dredd is brilliant and extremely funny (not 6 pages funny Millar/Ennis!)  but has a dark counterpoint in the "Give me a juve when he is 5" speech in "America"

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 02 September, 2019, 07:25:17 PM
as to this weeks, I seem to recall ET as being named  responsible for exporting USA Halloween to the UK?

Was the letter asking for more Bradley signed "Old Ma McKenzie"?   I wonder which editorial droid chose that particular missive!

Hicklenton's art is not so much an acquired taste as a jolt  -fantastic experimental stuff.  Simon Harrison I suspect was hired on the same pitch, but isnt underpinned with JH's sinister atmosphere and disturbingly broken, but all too real looking anatomy, so falls flat for my galactic groat

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 02 September, 2019, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 02 September, 2019, 07:25:17 PM
as to this weeks, I seem to recall ET as being named responsible for exporting USA Halloween to the UK?

Hallowe'en seems to have been more popular in some areas of these isles than others, but everything that came back across the Atlantic was part of Scots childhood. The California version looked more glamorous than tumshies and dooking in freezing scout halls, though.

Enjoyed the Zenith discussion, particularly the highlighting of the prose during the cloud building scene. For all his unoriginality and terrible enfanting, Morrison could write. Also loving the love for The Rammy, the most consistently hilarious thing Wagner, Grant & Ezquerra created.

This thread wouldn't be complete without some traditional Britsplaining - Marbella (Mar-bey-ah) is a Southern Spanish port that became notorious as a refuge for London criminals hiding from the Met and enjoying their ill-gotten gains*, including the aforementioned Matt Brinks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brink%27s-Mat_robbery).

I got most of these references because the tabloid press was full of this stuff. Wagner & Grant have spoken about raiding the papers for story ideas, one effect of which was what academics call intertextuality but what comic fans call a shared universe.

In the absence of an IPC equivalent of the Big Two's common pool of characters and continuity, Wagner & Grant populated their stories with characters and events drawn from the equally fictional fantasy worlds created by their colleagues on the lower floors of King's Reach Tower.


* https://youtu.be/TE28JF9Rz10
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 September, 2019, 01:06:29 AM
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This is the ad discussed fyi :D Some of my favorite non-thrill parts of these comics is these discussions we have about US/UK culture and how things have evolved. Things like Halloween, which might not have been that big a deal over there were HUGE when I was growing up at this time, and I love hearing everyone's experience!

Quote from: Leigh S on 02 September, 2019, 07:25:17 PM
Hicklenton's art is not so much an acquired taste as a jolt  -fantastic experimental stuff.  Simon Harrison I suspect was hired on the same pitch, but isnt underpinned with JH's sinister atmosphere and disturbingly broken, but all too real looking anatomy, so falls flat for my galactic groat

Honestly I'm sort of speaking for myself there, in my initial read-through of 2000AD was turned off by the art change for Nemesis, though I've since re-evaluated. Honestly the move in art in this late 80s era is when I started skipping a fair amount of the thrills during my initial slog, though I won't say more because I know Fox reads this sometimes :D

Quote from: Frank on 02 September, 2019, 09:45:37 PM
I got most of these references because the tabloid press was full of this stuff. Wagner & Grant have spoken about raiding the papers for story ideas, one effect of which was what academics call intertextuality but what comic fans call a shared universe.

In the absence of an IPC equivalent of the Big Two's common pool of characters and continuity, Wagner & Grant populated their stories with characters and events drawn from the equally fictional fantasy worlds created by their colleagues on the lower floors of King's Reach Tower.

Oh man that's interesting! It's another one of those cultural differences things, it can hard to know what to check out for deeper meaning, and is generally a commentary about what's just known and accepted as cultural shorthand. Like, besides the news I know they also just borrowed characters from various soap operas as well that are nearly incomprehensible! Recently I tried to figure out why Terri in ABC Warriors called Hammerstein "Craig" and it was a ridiculous rabbit hole of Australian soaps :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 03 September, 2019, 08:31:13 AM
Yeah, I think his art is still developing and there's a spectrum that both Hicklenton and Harrison are on in terms of unique artistic style vs "doing the job of comics" - that is story telling, clarity, character consistency etc. Hicklenton treads the same wobbly line as Harrison, because the second part is actually the hardest (something I think has been touched on by the tributes to Nigel Dobbyn, who arrives a little later and strength in the latter is almost as jolting after a year or two of the former seemingly being prioritized). 

The difference for me is that you can see a trajectory in Hicklenton's art I don't see in Harrison's.

As a good current example, you are spot on aboout Colin MacNeil's faces - there's one particular image of Alpha where his eyes are so tiny and oddly places in his face - but you can see the potential and how long is it before he is a top Dredd artist? The rate of growth there is incredible.

For the record, taking each artist and my reaction at the time:

Colin MacNeil - It's a bit jarring having none Carlos Stront, but by Grud, you know this is an artist who loves Carlos and can recreate a fittingly designed world that is consistent with what has gone before.  Figures can be stiff and faces sometimes look pasted onto their heads, but I'm on board (as poor John Smith once had to put up with from me wittering on about at a Crisis Signing! Sorry, John)

John Hicklenton - super jarring and unsettling, but as an extreme Metal/punk household at the time, this splattery black and white art style was not entirely alien (no pun intended!). Crucially, the art style suits the subject - Everything is distended and warped, to a much greater a degree than O'Neill established in his own art style, true, but it is not an unnatural progression from the art seen in Torq The God

Simon Harrison - well my initial reaction was a bit Greil Marcus vs Bob Dylan's "Self Portrait" (hence the conversation with John SMith - sorry, John!).  My problem being that it might have an interesting art style (the inking is rather beautiful in isolation) but story telling, anatomy (or at least consistent approach to anatomy), clarity and consistency (still not sure what Feral was supposed to look like and so it would seem were better artists than me, given the disparate versions from MacNeil, Pugh, Dobbyn and Carlos after him) all fail for me


Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 September, 2019, 01:06:29 AM

Quote from: Leigh S on 02 September, 2019, 07:25:17 PM
Hicklenton's art is not so much an acquired taste as a jolt  -fantastic experimental stuff.  Simon Harrison I suspect was hired on the same pitch, but isnt underpinned with JH's sinister atmosphere and disturbingly broken, but all too real looking anatomy, so falls flat for my galactic groat

Honestly I'm sort of speaking for myself there, in my initial read-through of 2000AD was turned off by the art change for Nemesis, though I've since re-evaluated. Honestly the move in art in this late 80s era is when I started skipping a fair amount of the thrills during my initial slog, though I won't say more because I know Fox reads this sometimes :D

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 03 September, 2019, 09:21:01 AM
I think Harrison/Hicklenton alternating on Nemesis would have been interesting.

There'd already been the leap from O'Neill to Redondo, back to O'Neill and then Talbot but both of those less comics code bothering than Kev.

The grotesque nature of the strip would seem like a more natural fit than Strontium Dog, a strip where Carlos had firmly established his style.


There's an old thread here - I liked Simon's ABC samples in particular, and there was a great Slaine too.

https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=8966.30 (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=8966.30)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 03 September, 2019, 09:39:32 AM
I think Simon Harrison could have benefited greatly from what they did with Kev Walker, pairing him with Steve Dillon so he could see a master story teller at work.  But yeah, a stint on Nemesis would have also made sense, and been a much better fit.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 03 September, 2019, 09:59:19 AM
Me and my friends tried trick-or-treating around 1982, but it was too soon - not much fun when you have to explain to everyone who opens the door what it's all about - usually to be told to fuck off.

as for the Costa del Crime - from Wiki:
QuoteAs rapid development proceeded on the Costa del Sol, and the influx of expatriate retirees from northern European countries,[27][28] notably Great Britain, increased during the late 1970s and 1980s,[29] it has since then sometimes been referred to in the press of the United Kingdom as the "Costa del Crime",[30] because British criminals would escape justice at home by moving there to live their lives in luxury. The presence of the Italian Camorra in the Costa del Sol is also so strong that Camorra bosses refer to it as Costa Nostra ("Our Coast"), according to Italian journalist Roberto Saviano, a specialist on the Naples criminal underworld.[31] With tense relations between the UK and Spain over Gibraltar, extradition arrangements were not at that time agreed.[32] This phenomenon has been alluded to in television shows such as Auf Wiedersehen, Pet and Bad Girls and in the more recent films Sexy Beast and The Business.[33][34] Some of the more famous British criminals known to have fled to the Costa del Sol in the past were Charlie Wilson, Ronnie Knight, Freddie Foreman, Anthony Fraser (grandson of Mad Frankie Fraser), and more recently Andrew Moran. John Disley, nicknamed the "King of Marbella",[citation needed] (not to be confused with the international criminal Monzer al-Kassar whose nickname is the "Prince of Marbella"), masterminded a ÂŁ700,000 bank fraud.[35] Other European criminal entrepreneurs, including Russian and Amsterdam origin, have also settled on this coast for the climate and functional advantages for their enterprises, as well as being active investors in the property sector.[36]
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 03 September, 2019, 05:44:56 PM

Hicklenton's a certified genius. Unlike most artists, his first work is his best - those two Torquemada* stories, where it's impossible to tell what's happening to whom, are the best things he ever did. Once he's taken on board criticism, and adopts less insane page layouts and a regular inking style, the art loses a lot of its inspiration and energy.

I'd only read a few Stronty Dog stories, so Simon Harrison wasn't a huge shock for me. He's almost the opposite of Ezquerra - clean lines and surface flash, rather than solid figure work and consistent characterisation - but if you're going to replace an artist, that seems a more interesting creative direction than appointing a clone.

Asking anyone other than Ezquerra to draw the strip is stupid and unnecessary, though.


* They're the adventures of Torquemada, rather than Nemesis stories.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 03 September, 2019, 08:24:49 PM
Quote from: Frank on 03 September, 2019, 05:44:56 PM

Hicklenton's a certified genius. Unlike most artists, his first work is his best - those two Torquemada* stories, where it's impossible to tell what's happening to whom, are the best things he ever did. Once he's taken on board criticism, and adopts less insane page layouts and a regular inking style, the art loses a lot of its inspiration and energy.

I still love Fear Teachers (what we got of it).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 03 September, 2019, 08:40:05 PM
Guys, I love you ... but ... you can't talk about Masterman killing Siadwell Rhys and then lay out that the pay off line was "Who's next?"  Are ye bananas?  It's only the most disturbing pay-off line in 2000 AD history: "What a shame. I think I've broken him."

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2019, 05:21:16 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 03 September, 2019, 08:40:05 PM
Guys, I love you ... but ... you can't talk about Masterman killing Siadwell Rhys and then lay out that the pay off line was "Who's next?"  Are ye bananas?  It's only the most disturbing pay-off line in 2000 AD history: "What a shame. I think I've broken him."

(http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/r/reddrag3.jpg)

That is a big miss for sure, a great line from a nazi elder one!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2019, 05:27:34 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and seventy-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 547-550 of 2000AD, covering November 1987. This episode Bad Company gets some new members, Zenith is burning bright, Johnny Alpha is getting Rammy, the two Torquemadas meet, and Chopper is headed south of the border!

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Also, we're getting towards the end of 1987 so I'd love to hear your choices for the best of 1987 for our Spinnies Award show! We're looking for choices for:
Art Writing and Thrill are as vague as possible, it could be as big as the Wagner/Grant combine's output for the year, or as small as a single panel of The Dead.

Also! In real life show co-host Fox just got married, so any well-wishes would also be appreciated!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 09 September, 2019, 07:11:14 PM
Thanks Conrad and Congratulations and very best wishes for the future to Fox! I hope Fox had an excellent day.

Moving on to the Spinnies, I would like to nominate:

Best Art - Steve Yeowell on Zenith
Best Writing - Wagner and Grant on Dredd, Anderson and Strontium Dog. It is the way they combine humour, action and plot that makes these strips so good.
Best Overall Thrill - Dredd (The Taxidermist, Democracy, Last Of The Bad Guys, Oz, The Alabammy Blimps, Simp)
Best Year of 2000AD - 1982
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 September, 2019, 08:27:38 PM
Well I always dilly and dally on these until I miss them and so I'm going to do this now and be damned and change my mind endlessly, but too late.

Best Art - The Mighty Yeowell on Zenith - Being lucky enough to own the Apex edition has given me a whole new appreciation of this piece of work, which in the past I've always thought was the weakest of the series. Still brilliant, but still an artist learning his trade and getting used to his style. It is that but bloody hell when you have the talent of the Mighty Yeowell watching him develop and learn is such a treat.

Best Writing - Pete Milligan Bad Company - so much more than a Battle story done 2000ad style, but brilliantly that as well.

Best Overall Thrill - Anderson PSI Division - Hour of the Wolf: Just a brilliant story. Perfectly paced and the episode when Anderson is ambushed is one of my favourite single episodes of any series. Its just the perfectly done comic action piece.

Best Month of 2000AD for 1987 (either a Space Spinner episode, a calendar month of progs, or an Annual or Special - November - Zenith ends brilliantly. Bad Company II starts superbly, Dredd is good (not Oz's biggest fan), Nemesis on top form and The Rammy is okay Strontium Dog, but okay Strontium Dog is pretty good.

Best Year of 2000AD (extended list of all 11 years covered no required, just how 87 ranks for you) - Now don't shout at me as I know you disagree, but on my ongoing re-read until 1999 I had 1986 firmly as my pick of the pops, with 1987 just behind. I'll stick with that.

The fact that I don't include Judge Dredd - 'Revolution' anywhere on my list just goes the show the terrible inhuman beast I am and I hope the world can forgive me.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 09 September, 2019, 11:56:46 PM
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 September, 2019, 12:05:30 AM
All the droids who wrote stuff!

All the droids who drew stuff!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 10 September, 2019, 06:56:53 PM
Another great year of thrill-power and podcasting.
Would try and vote in each category but it's just going to be Zenith, Zenith and Zenith for me.

(Or maybe Bad Company 1, or Bitch or Alabammy Blimps?? no it's Zenith 🤔)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 10 September, 2019, 10:33:49 PM
Best Art - honourable mentions for Colin MacNeil and John Hicklenton.  Colin for immediately showing the potential he will live up to in terms of capturing an iconic 2000AD art spirit, and John for boldly going where no artist had gone before.  But for me, it's Kev O'Neillwho deserves top honour for his final year as an active droid.

Best Writer - well Milligan and Morrison do a decent  job of filling the kind of slot MacNeil and Hicklenton are doing artwise - new kids on the block with distinctive styles.  I'd give Milligan the slight edge over the two purely for quantity of new ideas.  Wagner and Grant are a little patchy but when they are on fire they are on fire.  That leaves Pat Mills to take the crown - Slaine the King and this run of Nemesis are peak Pat for me.

Best Overall Thrill - tricky one.  Received wisdom seems to suggest Strontium Dog takes a dip in the 500s, so I am glad to see you have really enjoyed this run.  That said, there is no "killer" Stront tale here. Dredd gets a bit variable - some (admittedly well told)  silly and/or lazy one offs with Genies and superheroes, but also some greats - I have a soft spot for "The Raggedy Man", with "Revolution", "The Taxidermist", the introducton of PJ Maybe and the start of "Oz" more than making up for the odd misfiring tale

But Nemesis - specifically Torquemada The God if I had to choose a particular section of it - but all of it really, even the photo story! Honourable for Anderson: Hour of the Wolf

Best Year: New Year, new paper!  1987 seems a bit better, or at least less wobbly than 1986 - there's a lot more new blood, and (so far,) that's refreshing.  I have a huge soft spot for 1987 as a year in my life - I was 15,  Metal was my sound of choice and in strong cahoots with Tharg (RESPECT THE BADGE -HE EARNED IT WITH HIS BLOOD!).  Games Workshop was in its pomp and also in strong cahoots with Tharg AND Metal (the year of the Rogue Trooper Board game I seem to recall? Sabbat flexi discs in White Dwarf alongside some neato Dredd RPG scenarios illustrated by current and future droids). The prog itself was flying... a virtuous circle!  What could possibly go wrong?   

But better than 1984? By Grud and all his works, what is wrong with you!?  1984!!!


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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 11 September, 2019, 12:08:36 AM
Best Art: Honourable mention goes to Colin Macneil who other than a certain other artist we will meet in 1988 (cough chris weston cough)  is my all time fave 2000ad artist. But Steve yeowell killed it with zenith

Best Writing Pat Mills we are def in peak nemesis territory and he deserves the nod over the fantastic Morrison and the as usually talented (though soon to be doomed) Wagner/grant combo

Best Overall Thrill: special mention goes to zenith phase 1 but its the weakest of the four phases so i choose nemesis the warlock might as well enjoy this wonderful strip while we still have it

Best Month of 2000AD for 1987 november all killer mostly no filler

i cannot vote for a best year so instead indulge me with this insane new award

the "rick random" award for tedious wretched trash: Mean team: whose idea was it to take a future sport story and retrofit it as a bizarre fantasy story. not even massimos wonderful and odd art can save this terrible spiteful story which was so bad it felt like tharg was pulling an inferno with the ending ie kill them all and wrap this shit up fast.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 September, 2019, 05:20:50 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and seventy-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 551-554 of 2000AD, covering December 1987. This episode Chopper takes on the storm, Warlock and homunculus are reunited, the Strontium Dogs are judged, Bradley has some adventures, and there's a new member of Bad Company, and it's a lady!

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Quote from: The Monarch on 11 September, 2019, 12:08:36 AM
i cannot vote for a best year so instead indulge me with this insane new award

the "rick random" award for tedious wretched trash: Mean team: whose idea was it to take a future sport story and retrofit it as a bizarre fantasy story. not even massimos wonderful and odd art can save this terrible spiteful story which was so bad it felt like tharg was pulling an inferno with the ending ie kill them all and wrap this shit up fast.

I understand the impulse, but my general stance is to keep things positive for the Spinnies, traditionally we don't have a "worst thrill" category or things of that nature, but who knows what the terrible upcoming future will hold?

Again, we're looking for more Spinny nominations! Get them in to my by this Friday (September 20th) to gurantee they'll be read on the show! Once again the catagories are:

And thanks to Sheridan for listing all the everythings!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 16 September, 2019, 09:23:55 AM
Abslom Daak, Dalek Killer (from Doctor Who Weekly, written by Steve Moore and drawn by a sixteen year old Steve Dillon) was the first character I know of that had a chainsword. He debuted in 1981, so he had one WAY before it was cool.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 16 September, 2019, 04:30:08 PM
Best art: Ewins / J.McCarthy for Bad Company
Best writing: Wagner/Grant for the double-whammy of the Rammy and the Blimps from Alabammy
Best overall Thrill: Bad Company, not least for getting a decent sequel ready for print within just 6 months of the first book being a smash hit.
Best Month: a toss up between February and November; reckon I'll side with November on a technicality - I think I've bought reprints of ALL five thrills multiple times (Oz, The Rammy, Bad Company II, Zenith phase 1, Nemesis VII and no Future Shocks...)
Best Year: I'm sticking with 1986. RAGE!

Best overall moment: Fox getting married! Many congratulations / herzlichen Gluckwunch as they may or may not say in Germany these days.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Huey2 on 16 September, 2019, 11:23:43 PM
Hi Conrad and Fox, thank you for putting out such an enjoyable podcast and congrats to Fox.

My take on 1987

Best art -
Glenn Fabry. It's often said that 2000ad grew up with its readers. Whilst I won't argue that the tooth of today is often more adult than the 80s version, I would say that it's never done anything more mature than the likes of Halo Jones, Zenith or Slaine the King. The storytelling here is more sophisticated than previous Slaine tales with Mills have confidence in what Fabry can do. Highlights: there's a splash page which isn't a scene of violence but is instead a group of characters sitting around a fire. And then there's a page where Slaine watches Niamh and Kai walk away. Fabry gets a pen and ink drawing act better than most Hollywood stars.
Honorable mention: John Higgins - the pained art in the annual is incredible. Higgins is ahead of his time here and, shame he wasn't painting a longer strip round about the time 2000ad got a full colour story.

Favourite strip: Stront. I've often heard it said that the strip takes a slight dip in quality after Wulf dies. As a reader at the time, this was the most exciting era of the strip as the tone and dynamic could change so much by pairing Johnny up with different people or setting him off on his own. The Rammy really makes the most of pairing Johnny up with Middenface.

Favourite writers: Wagner and Grant. As a long term reader, I'd gotten used to them churning out classic after classic without breaking a sweat. Then, there came a couple of Dredds which were merely okay and not fantastic making me wonder if they might possibly be running out of ideas. Roll on issue 531. Without any fanfare, one of the all-time greatest Dredds arrives to show you that after hundreds of Dredd stories they can still do something amazing with the strip. Add Oz, Stront, Anderson, the Taxidermist, Varks and everything else they did. We really were spoiled.

Favourite month: November
Favourite year: 1986


And here's a 1987 fact I don't think is that well known: 1987 saw Grant, Wagner and Kennedy cross the channel to launch Outcasts (One of the greatest comic books of all time) at DC. 2000ad editorial apparently asked if they could run the strip in the comic like they'd done with Metalzoic in '86. Grant and Wagner apparently declined as they felt the strip wasn't written to suit a weekly format.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 September, 2019, 11:01:48 AM
Quote from: Huey2 on 16 September, 2019, 11:23:43 PM

And here's a 1987 fact I don't think is that well known: 1987 saw Grant, Wagner and Kennedy cross the channel to launch Outcasts (One of the greatest comic books of all time) at DC. 2000ad editorial apparently asked if they could run the strip in the comic like they'd done with Metalzoic in '86. Grant and Wagner apparently declined as they felt the strip wasn't written to suit a weekly format.


Firstly yeah this is a brilliant series and well worth tracking down, always surprised it never gets the attention is deserves. Largely as I don't think (???) its ever been reprinted, which is a real shame. Completely undertsand the reasons for not reprinting as it does read to me as a 2000ad story deliberately shaped to a 22 page American monthly and as such won't work in the weekly.

Anyway one of fun things in the series is the fact that there are clearly nods of the head towards Judge Dredd sneaked in. There's a couple of panels in particular were the police of the series cast very Judical shadows. 

On another note thank you for reminding me of 'American Eagle' I saw it back in the day and remember loving it ... wonder if I would now buit would love to be able to find out.

Congratulations to Fox as well. lovely news.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 September, 2019, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 September, 2019, 11:01:48 AM
Quote from: Huey2 on 16 September, 2019, 11:23:43 PM
And here's a 1987 fact I don't think is that well known: 1987 saw Grant, Wagner and Kennedy cross the channel to launch Outcasts (One of the greatest comic books of all time) at DC. 2000ad editorial apparently asked if they could run the strip in the comic like they'd done with Metalzoic in '86. Grant and Wagner apparently declined as they felt the strip wasn't written to suit a weekly format.

Firstly yeah this is a brilliant series and well worth tracking down, always surprised it never gets the attention is deserves. Largely as I don't think (???) its ever been reprinted, which is a real shame. Completely undertsand the reasons for not reprinting as it does read to me as a 2000ad story deliberately shaped to a 22 page American monthly and as such won't work in the weekly.

I don't think it's a surprise it hasn't gotten more attention.  I remember reading through the first issue in the shop but it was way out of my price range (the only US-style comics I'd have been getting at the time would have been the Eagle reprints of 2000AD stories (and later the misnamed 'Quality' reprints)).  I've managed to get a copy of the first issue since then, but haven't got any more (yet!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 22 September, 2019, 07:50:51 PM
I have started reading Outcasts on the basis of recent comments and it is really good and could so easily be re-purposed as a pre-Dredd story. 'Big City' is Mega City One and the 'Enforcers' are the Judges is the way I am reading through it, and no other changes are necessary.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 September, 2019, 05:56:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/QQHBNnU.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and seventy-fifth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1987. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1987 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1988 from both 2000AD and our show!

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Quote from: WhizzBang on 22 September, 2019, 07:50:51 PM
I have started reading Outcasts on the basis of recent comments and it is really good and could so easily be re-purposed as a pre-Dredd story. 'Big City' is Mega City One and the 'Enforcers' are the Judges is the way I am reading through it, and no other changes are necessary.
I'm about a quarter in myself, the named city blocks really give it a Dredd feel. I think the only difference is the prevalence of mutants with super powers, but that can easily be explained away!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 23 September, 2019, 02:09:53 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 September, 2019, 05:56:06 AM
In our thrilling hundred and seventy-fifth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1987. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1987 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1988 from both 2000AD and our show!

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/w2Q750wlPa4O)

The link shortener for the direct download isn't working for me?  Luckily I know to go to SpaceSpinner2000.com (http://spacespinner2000.com/) (or listen in spotify).  Unfortunately this means I just rick-rolled myself!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 September, 2019, 06:06:46 PM
This link should work! (http://ow.ly/w2Q750wlPa4)

When I saw that song was the number one single in the UK for 1987 I knew what I had to do!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 24 September, 2019, 02:48:20 PM
Never gonna give you up, Space Spinner 2000!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 September, 2019, 08:36:42 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 24 September, 2019, 02:48:20 PM
Never gonna give you up, Space Spinner 2000!

At the same time, we promise to never make you cry or say goodbye!

(only splundig vur thrigg!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 26 September, 2019, 12:49:23 PM
excited you will be doing the meg eventually

and excited to talk about my first annual with you too
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 September, 2019, 12:56:01 PM
Another wonderful Spinnies - congratulations on sticking with this for a whole decade of progs, and apologies that for the 10th year in a row I have not gotten my arse in gear quickly enough to contribute.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 September, 2019, 05:43:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/0c6nPy4.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and seventy-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 555-558 of 2000AD, covering January 1988. This episode Chopper's in Oz, Torquemada has a fly problem, Bad Company is headed to the heart of the matter, and the ABC Warriors are back! Spread the word!

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Quote from: The Monarch on 26 September, 2019, 12:49:23 PM
excited you will be doing the meg eventually

and excited to talk about my first annual with you too
It's gonna be a lot of fun!

Quote from: Dandontdare on 26 September, 2019, 12:56:01 PM
Another wonderful Spinnies - congratulations on sticking with this for a whole decade of progs, and apologies that for the 10th year in a row I have not gotten my arse in gear quickly enough to contribute.
No worries, but we'd love to hear from you!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 September, 2019, 06:16:11 AM
Just seen the new logo over on dat der Facebook and wow that's... spectacular!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 September, 2019, 07:20:58 AM
That reminds me!

<------ ENJOY!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: broodblik on 30 September, 2019, 07:51:27 AM
Cool new logo
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 30 September, 2019, 06:29:03 PM
Thanks Conrad, a great start to a new year of progs.

About the Ropbocop connection - well I think it is stronger than you guys do, with the differences likely being made to avoid the influence going beyond 'inspiration' into 'rip-off'.

On Wikipedia it says:
QuoteThe character of RoboCop itself was inspired by British comic book hero Judge Dredd,[9] as well as the Japanese toku series Space Sheriff Gavan[10] and the Marvel Comics superhero Rom.
and there are citations given for the Dredd and Gavan on this sentance.

There is also the following pre-production model from the making of Robocop: (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3527/5842750530_68364a565f.jpg)

I do not know much about Robocop but remember it coming out and watched it at least once, and I remember the Dredd connection being obvious to some of my friends. The film is different enough from Dredd though to be its own thing.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 September, 2019, 08:32:52 PM
Wow, that's interesting! The one thing I didn't check on wikipedia and it comes back to bite me! :D I'll chalk it up to me encountering Robocop first and my general prejudice against people in the US knowing anything about Judge Dredd/2000AD to the mistake. Also a general reluctance to engage too much with the Flix column, which I find to be incredibly sour and not fun
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 30 September, 2019, 09:41:48 PM
Could I object to the new logo?  Because you can't have a new 2000AD-related logo without someone objecting ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 October, 2019, 05:22:48 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sttRQXr.png)

Credo! It's the seventeenth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

It's been way too long since our last collections episode, especially since the most recent one ended on a cliffhanger with the first half of Nemesis book one complete and another half to finish! So here we are again, fighting humans and bringing peace to the galaxy, or something. After the first half's rip-roaring introduction and expansion of the world of Nemesis and Torquemada we're now starting to see full fledged stories and intrigue break out between our protagonist and antagonist, as well as the introduction of themes and characters that will influence the story going forward.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 04 October, 2019, 10:30:16 AM
There is an awful lot of 80s nostalgia going on in my TV watching / podcast listening habits of late, and none can touch the 80s glory of the new SS2000 logo.

But what's SpaceSpinner2000 going to look like in the year 1990?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 October, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
Torque-Armada basically a giant robot filled with humans who are like ants and covered in more humans like ants?  Ants... or termites?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 October, 2019, 04:45:39 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 04 October, 2019, 10:30:16 AM
There is an awful lot of 80s nostalgia going on in my TV watching / podcast listening habits of late, and none can touch the 80s glory of the new SS2000 logo.

But what's SpaceSpinner2000 going to look like in the year 1990?

Luckily not a problem I'll have to confront until we get to 1998! From hells heart I stab at thee, Future Conrad!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 October, 2019, 05:17:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/EqzTPdL.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and seventy-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 559-562 of 2000AD, covering January and February 1988. This episode Purity gets a date, Johnny Alpha gets a new job, the Monad returns, and Dredd goes for a walkabout in the halls of the Judda!

Also, it's our third anniversary of podcasting! Raise a glass and wish us well, and tell Fox how wrong he is about Kraven the Hunter having a PhD!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 07 October, 2019, 06:14:18 AM
Well, his bio (https://comiccrossroads.fandom.com/wiki/Sergei_Kravinoff_(Earth-3064)) says he's got a PhD, but that's the Earth-3064 version and (crucially) the author misspelt "quantum". (This UK forum wants me to say misspelled, but that sounds like I cast a *freeep* instead of a fireball.) Also, I can't find him on linkedin.

Miss Pelt could be Kraven the Hunter's side-kick.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 October, 2019, 06:48:31 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 07 October, 2019, 06:14:18 AM
Well, his bio (https://comiccrossroads.fandom.com/wiki/Sergei_Kravinoff_(Earth-3064)) says he's got a PhD, but that's the Earth-3064 version and (crucially) the author misspelt "quantum". (This UK forum wants me to say misspelled, but that sounds like I cast a *freeep* instead of a fireball.) Also, I can't find him on linkedin.

Miss Pelt could be Kraven the Hunter's side-kick.

Earth-616 only by gar! This was a crazy fight, and was basically just Fox antagonizing me for like an hour before the show started. I WAS FUMING
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 07 October, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
If we got the Satanic Panic in the UK, I wasn't aware of it! Metal got more flak, but even then that was reporting on what you guys were up to - over here, Motorhead would regularly appear on kids TV
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 07 October, 2019, 09:11:01 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 07 October, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
If we got the Satanic Panic in the UK, I wasn't aware of it! Metal got more flak, but even then that was reporting on what you guys were up to - over here, Motorhead would regularly appear on kids TV

Not in relation to mëtal, but the Prince Of Lies was active in Cleveland, Rochdale and Orkney (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_satanic_ritual_abuse_allegations#United_Kingdom).


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JOE SOAP on 07 October, 2019, 09:27:16 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 07 October, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
If we got the Satanic Panic in the UK, I wasn't aware of it!


The Cook Report: The Devils Work (1989) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl8beAfXzZA)



Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 October, 2019, 09:34:41 PM
We'd had the video nasties thing a few years earlier, and later the BBFC going nuts over martial arts, kids making throwing stars in metalwork etc.

Flails also edited out/banned, ninja turtles rebranded to hero turtles.

We seemed relatively relaxed about spells and shit in RPG, I certainly don't recall it being much of an issue for D&D/Fighting gamebooks at least.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 October, 2019, 09:39:22 PM
Although I recall Pat saying someone had a problem with the pagan/witchcraft stuff in Finn in the 90s...

Can't remember who it was... if they were identified at all.


So there is that..
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 07 October, 2019, 09:47:50 PM
It was peripheral and mostly based on what was being complained about in the US though

I think we were too Godless to take it as seriously when included as part of entertainment?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 October, 2019, 01:52:41 AM
It's not really a satanic panic unless you have people being arrest of large scale ritual abuse on the strength of highly questionable recovered memories!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: TordelBack on 08 October, 2019, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 October, 2019, 09:27:16 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 07 October, 2019, 07:47:41 PM
If we got the Satanic Panic in the UK, I wasn't aware of it!


The Cook Report: The Devils Work (1989) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl8beAfXzZA)

Wow, Tharg really went all-out on the multi-media promotion for Thistlebone.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 October, 2019, 12:33:59 PM
A vicar in Blackburn denounced D&D in the late 80s and I had a letter printed in the local paper calling him out for it - I'll see if I can find it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 08 October, 2019, 05:03:46 PM
I think we'd just come out of the Beastie Boys will ruin your children phase at this time - I remember a lot of fuss around them in 1987/8.

Anyway just wanted to say the sentiment at the opening of the show was quite wonderful. The only downside to Fox getting married is that it breaks the dream that the pair of you would get it together... mind that might have been like when Maddie Hayes and David Addison (was it) got it together on Moonlighting - it'd be all downhill from there, so guess I should be grateful.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 08 October, 2019, 05:29:19 PM
Leaping fearlessly over sharks:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61SE0QNGf4L._SL1129_.jpg)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 October, 2019, 08:52:18 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 08 October, 2019, 12:33:59 PM
A vicar in Blackburn denounced D&D in the late 80s and I had a letter printed in the local paper calling him out for it - I'll see if I can find it!

I remember getting a talking to from my doctor when I was a kid because I said I liked D&D. Apparently it's a deadly gateway to satanism, fyi!

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 08 October, 2019, 05:03:46 PM
I think we'd just come out of the Beastie Boys will ruin your children phase at this time - I remember a lot of fuss around them in 1987/8.

Anyway just wanted to say the sentiment at the opening of the show was quite wonderful. The only downside to Fox getting married is that it breaks the dream that the pair of you would get it together... mind that might have been like when Maddie Hayes and David Addison (was it) got it together on Moonlighting - it'd be all downhill from there, so guess I should be grateful.

Luckily a true bromance can survive any trial or tribulation!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 08 October, 2019, 11:07:51 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 08 October, 2019, 12:33:59 PM
A vicar in Blackburn denounced D&D in the late 80s and I had a letter printed in the local paper calling him out for it - I'll see if I can find it!

Found 'em! These were from The Lancashire Evening Telegraph, November 1984 - I think the D&D hysteria had died down by 88, it was all 'video nasties' by then. The leader of the local RPG group was reacting to the original story about the pastor's speech, which I don't have - try to ignore the dodgy sexual politics.

And yes, with 35 years of hindsight, my letter makes me cringe - I can hear the self-righteous tone of my use of the term 'self-righteous'. They edited out the end of my 2nd sentence, totally ruining the flow; and at the end I think I was channeling my inner old geezer :lol:

(https://i.imgur.com/6izqBMK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/o4SH861.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Buttonman on 11 October, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
Thanks for the shout out fellas! You fair made my day and the wife was impressed too.

I'm totally available for comment when you do Progs 835, 1118, 1211, 1229, 1232, 1277, 1364, 1381, 2005, 1439, 1441, 1444, 1448, 1529...Hello?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 October, 2019, 05:31:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CtsJqoC.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and seventy-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 563-566 of 2000AD, covering February and March 1988. This episode The ABC Warriors meet the army, The Strontium Dogs meet the Rockmen, Nemesis might have met his match, we'll all meet Tyranny Rex, and we'll get to the meat of Oz, as Supersurf 10 begins!

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Quote from: Buttonman on 11 October, 2019, 02:40:49 PM
Thanks for the shout out fellas! You fair made my day and the wife was impressed too.

I'm totally available for comment when you do Progs 835, 1118, 1211, 1229, 1232, 1277, 1364, 1381, 2005, 1439, 1441, 1444, 1448, 1529...Hello?

The shoutout has been on my calendar for quite some time, happy to finally get to it! I'd love to get you on for a special or annual at some point!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 October, 2019, 07:55:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/AGrxIec.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and seventy-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 567-570 of 2000AD, covering March and April 1988. This episode Stones and Dogs showdown, Tyranny Rex is mixing genres, Rogue Trooper is back in action, and Supersurf 10 is burning to its conclusion so we'll finally crown a winner of Oz!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 22 October, 2019, 01:04:03 PM
I assume you're joking about the "made-up alien language Kantanka" - I find it hard to believe someone who works in videogames doesn't have a passing familiarity with Japanese Katakana.

I love Oz and I'm glad Wagner had his way - the whole story seems to be building towards Chopper winning and dying, so having him lose and survive is a neat twist and a perfectly bittersweet ending*. And of course it leaves the door open for more stories, [spoiler]at least two of which are really good[/spoiler].

The Wagner/Grant split and that supremely un-enticing Simon Harrison Strontium Dog image do seem to signal the end of an era, but there's plenty of good stuff until at least Prog 700!

*Losing and dying would have been pretty goddamn bleak
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 22 October, 2019, 02:04:16 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 22 October, 2019, 01:04:03 PM
... at least two of which are really good

You used too many words, mate.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 October, 2019, 07:00:13 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 22 October, 2019, 01:04:03 PM
I assume you're joking about the "made-up alien language Kantanka" - I find it hard to believe someone who works in videogames doesn't have a passing familiarity with Japanese Katakana.

I love Oz and I'm glad Wagner had his way - the whole story seems to be building towards Chopper winning and dying, so having him lose and survive is a neat twist and a perfectly bittersweet ending*. And of course it leaves the door open for more stories, [spoiler]at least two of which are really good[/spoiler].

The Wagner/Grant split and that supremely un-enticing Simon Harrison Strontium Dog image do seem to signal the end of an era, but there's plenty of good stuff until at least Prog 700!

*Losing and dying would have been pretty goddamn bleak

Woo boy that's an embarrassing moment for past Conrad, I'd hate to be that guy!

After the initial shock I'm hoping to take the new Strontium Dog art in stride and try to evaluate it as objectively as possible. We're in for an interesting road with ol' Johnny Alpha, and I'd rather not start down it with my arms crossed :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 24 October, 2019, 09:10:54 AM
Welcome to the smithiverse Fox hope your stomach survives the experience  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 October, 2019, 05:44:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ex8yFTv.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and eightieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 571-574 of 2000AD, covering April and May 1988. This episode Dredd gets hit, man, Johnny Alpha rides into the sunset, Rogue Trooper finishes one hit and starts another, the ABC Warriors are taking in the sights of Agartha, and Luke Kirby arrives in a small town in '62 for some Summer Magic.

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Also, please check Conrad out on this week's Mega-City Book Club, and stay tuned for a Meltdown Man Collection later this week!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 October, 2019, 12:57:20 PM
Great episode - hope you made it through the specials okay (if memory serves the specials and annuals were close to the end of their golden age - but never as bad as the first specials).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 28 October, 2019, 07:24:58 PM
Thanks Conrad and Fox!

About Carlos leaving Strontium Dog. I am under the impression it was due to the direction Alan Grant had decided to take the strip after the Wagner/Grant split where Wagner got Dredd and Grant got SD. Grant wanted it to shake it and make it less Johnny Alpha based (I am being careful not to put any spoilers here) and do strips about other SD agents. Ezquerra did not agree with removing Johnny from things and chose not to be part of it. I think I got this perpsective from Thrill Poer Overload.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 28 October, 2019, 07:53:50 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 28 October, 2019, 07:24:58 PM
Thanks Conrad and Fox!

About Carlos leaving Strontium Dog. I am under the impression it was due to the direction Alan Grant had decided to take the strip after the Wagner/Grant split where Wagner got Dredd and Grant got SD. Grant wanted it to shake it and make it less Johnny Alpha based (I am being careful not to put any spoilers here) and do strips about other SD agents. Ezquerra did not agree with removing Johnny from things and chose not to be part of it. I think I got this perpsective from Thrill Poer Overload.

It was new-Tharg Richard Burton who wanted to expand the focus of the strip beyond Alpha and, crucially, the Wagner/Grant/Ezquerra team. Hence Tales From The Doghouse and (later) Strontium Dogs.

Grant claims Wagner was bored with Stront and wanted to kill Alpha, with Wulf's murder a prelude to the final act. Wagner says he can't remember but must have okayed it. We all think Carlos quit because he refused to kill Johnny, but I've never heard that from the source and never will, now.


https://web.archive.org/.../inter.../2005/grant/grant5.shtml

http://homepage.eircom.net/~okku/scifi/jwagner.htm

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/e/e/9/ee9bb07acfcd5c56/ECBT2000AD_Ep285.mp3

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/8/e/5/8e5948d449353b10/ECBT2000AD_Ep287_RichardBurtonPt3.mp3


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 28 October, 2019, 09:13:56 PM
There is also the practicalities of Carlos going to do Third World War when Gibson drops out. 

I am sure IU read somewhere that Carlos, stung by his treatment on Dredd, had made it a condition of his designing Stront that he be (as near as practical) sole artist and that he had stipulated that this should be for 10 years, though I havent been able to find the source for that possibly entirely dreamt up bit of trivia!  For a while I thought it had been in the Titan Stront intro, but sadly not - it confirms he asked to be the only artist, but not any time limit
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 28 October, 2019, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 28 October, 2019, 09:13:56 PM
There is also the practicalities of Carlos going to do Third World War when Gibson drops out.

The question being whether Carlos was ditching 2000ad for better compensation and rights, like Wagner & Grant, or if he'd have been happy to keep on drawing Strontium Dog if they'd continued writing it.

Steve Green reports Carlos's objections to killing Johnny as partly practical. He pointed out the flaw in Wagner/Grant's plan to put their characters out of commission to spite IPC/Fleetway was that other writers resurrect dead corporate comic characters all the time.

Practically speaking, Strontium Dog had been absent from 2000ad for long periods before. Burton's determination to turn Stront into a sandpit for other hacks strikes me (based on no evidence) as more of a response to Wagner/Grant landing the Detective Comics gig*

They'd been making their dissatisfaction with management and determination to join the exodus of creators to the US clear for more than a year. Grant claims Burton thwarted their efforts by telling DC Wagner & Grant weren't interested in a move when Levitz(?) approached him**


* 6 months earlier, in November 1987

** See link in previous post
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 28 October, 2019, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 08 October, 2019, 05:03:46 PM
The only downside to Fox getting married is that it breaks the dream that the pair of you would get it together... mind that might have been like when Maddie Hayes and David Addison (was it) got it together on Moonlighting - it'd be all downhill from there, so guess I should be grateful.

I always appreciate a Moonlighting reference but will somewhat confirm with Conrad: Bromance! Until that moment in a somewhat final season when the tension between Conrad and I are released in an ancient ritual that results in the final seal being broken and the next age begins. Or just a normal smooch. Conrad, I'm up for whatever.

Quote from: The Monarch on 24 October, 2019, 09:10:54 AM
Welcome to the smithiverse Fox hope your stomach survives the experience  :lol:

Stomach? Sir, it's the bionic liver. If things get bleak, it's back to wine.


Also, though I didn't mention it in an upcoming podcast, I was in Heathrow for work for a day. Flew in, then back to Berlin after a meeting in the airport. So, if you were in Heathrow on the 22nd, from 10:00 to 11:00, and then in the bowels of the sofitel for 7 hours, and then late o'clock the same day, and heard a rather loud man that sounded like your podcast that was me.

The only reason I mention is I hadn't been there since I was 13 (20ish years ago) and I like what you've done with the place. Though, as Jay Foreman (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbAal7jIWQ4) explains, locals really enjoy it and absolutely no one has opinions about it. Grand work!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 October, 2019, 01:27:49 AM
Haha, I've definitely picked up a lot of info about the art situation since this episode came out (and after we recorded the first Harrison episode, damnit) but I will try to clean a lot of this up on a future show. It's a little hard because some of the background context is pretty spoilery!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 October, 2019, 07:35:30 AM
Great stuff as ever - thanks for all the superb effort folks - good times as someone once said.

You mentioned a cover that reflected that of Prog 582, don't see anyone adding to that so I'll chip in. I think the Prog you are thinking of is 89 at the start of 'The Day the Law Died' with Walter cradling an assasinated Dredd.

http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=89&Comic=2000ad (http://www.2000ad.org/functions/cover.php?choice=89&Comic=2000ad) (from Barney as ever)

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/89.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 November, 2019, 04:29:33 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 29 October, 2019, 07:35:30 AM
Great stuff as ever - thanks for all the superb effort folks - good times as someone once said.

You mentioned a cover that reflected that of Prog 582, don't see anyone adding to that so I'll chip in. I think the Prog you are thinking of is 89 at the start of 'The Day the Law Died' with Walter cradling an assasinated Dredd.
(from Barney as ever)
That's the one! It's listed in Barney as a Walter cover, and I was looking in Dredd covers, like a fool!

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We're once again headed back to these halcyon days of late 1980 and 1981 for classic thrill power! Meltdown Man is an epic fantasy written by Alan Hebden with art by Massimo Belardinelli. It charts the adventures of dimension hopping SAS Agent Nick Stone and a whole cast of animal-human hybrids called Yujees! It's a massive tale, spanning 50 progs, with numerous thrills, chills, and epic violence, plus a Tiger Commander! It's a ton of fun, and something you won't find anywhere else!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 November, 2019, 05:24:16 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and eighty-first episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1988 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special has some great stories featuring Johnny Alpha, Judge Dredd, some classic Ro-Busters action, and some key back story for Tyranny Rex!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 November, 2019, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 November, 2019, 05:24:16 AM
(sorry to double post, nobody comments on collections :D)

I'd guess that we've probably said what we wanted to say when the segments were originally broadcast, but rest assured, the collections are appreciated!

Speaking of which, I name-checked your, Fox's and Eamonn's contributions in my blog the other day: Tornado No 14 (https://sheridanwilde.wordpress.com/2019/11/03/tornado-no-14-the-unbelievable-is-happening-here-at-wembley-keegan-brooking-and-francis-can-only-watch-as-young-davie-hunt-skips-past-west-germanys-schwarzenbeck-on-his-way-to-his-tenth-goal/) (because The Angry Planet has the same creative team as Meltdown Man).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 November, 2019, 05:25:23 AM
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We're jumping way ahead for this one, to those golden days of 1983 for some high class thrill power! Skizz is Moore's first long running story in 2000AD, though of course he was already publishing major work in Warrior at the same time. Skizz is the story of an alien being befriended by a young person and their friends, but things get difficult when the government intervenes. In the end though the alien is reunited with their people and everyone learns a lesson about themselves. Sound familiar? You might be surprised!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 November, 2019, 06:12:18 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and eighty-second episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1988 Judge Dredd Mega-Special. It's the first Judge Dredd Mega-Special, with excellent stories written by Alan Grant and John Wagner, with art by John Higgins, Jose Casanovas, William Simpson, and Ian Gibson!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 11 November, 2019, 12:51:14 PM
yeah i should point out i don't reply to the collections due to already saying my piece during the original episodes. that doesn't mean i don't relisten to them i totally do  :lol:

now i got a mega special episode to listen to
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 11 November, 2019, 04:54:06 PM
(sadface emoji) the podcast directory on my iphone has reverted to the old SpaceSpinner2000 logo - any idea how I can get the sinhy new one back again? I'm just going through Apple's podcast directory to get my thrillfix - is this the root of my problem?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 11 November, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 11 November, 2019, 04:54:06 PM
(sadface emoji) the podcast directory on my iphone has reverted to the old SpaceSpinner2000 logo - any idea how I can get the sinhy new one back again? I'm just going through Apple's podcast directory to get my thrillfix - is this the root of my problem?

I was still on the old thumbnail until I had to reinstall my podcast app, after which all the old icons updated automatically.

I imagine that would work for you too, but resubscribing to all your shows is a pain.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 November, 2019, 10:16:33 PM
Quote from: Frank on 11 November, 2019, 05:15:31 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 11 November, 2019, 04:54:06 PM
(sadface emoji) the podcast directory on my iphone has reverted to the old SpaceSpinner2000 logo - any idea how I can get the sinhy new one back again? I'm just going through Apple's podcast directory to get my thrillfix - is this the root of my problem?

I was still on the old thumbnail until I had to reinstall my podcast app, after which all the old icons updated automatically.

I imagine that would work for you too, but resubscribing to all your shows is a pain.

I believe unsubscribing and resubscribing from the show should refresh the show art? That has worked for folks in the past!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 November, 2019, 06:10:29 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and eighty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 575-578 of 2000AD, covering May and June 1988. This episode Bad Company returns, the ABC Warriors are fighting among themselves, Dredd deals with truckers and sages, Rogue gets another hit, and Luke Kirby learns the hard lessons of Summer Magic.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 18 November, 2019, 02:10:49 PM
man that discussion at the end was interesting i need to reread summer magic now.

is this the first time you decided to monkey around with the strip order?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 November, 2019, 07:04:08 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 November, 2019, 02:10:49 PM
man that discussion at the end was interesting i need to reread summer magic now.

is this the first time you decided to monkey around with the strip order?

At least once I've moved things around to have a Pat Mills Power Hour, and I cluster Future Shocks at the end of the show. Otherwise I try to put the thrills in the order they appear in the first prog we cover, then add new ones on top of that.

Hopefully things didn't get too heady with the Summer Magic talk, but Fox and I ended up being pretty freaked out by it so we had to discuss it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 November, 2019, 08:01:31 PM
Could be wrong, but I'm sure I read that Pat Mills trained as an accountant at some point in his pre-writerly life, so the bit about the caretaker robot could work on levels beyond the obvious.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 November, 2019, 08:06:31 AM
Majestic episode.

The discussion on Summer Magic is everything I love about this show. Its such a breezey engaging funny listen, but tucked in there is so much smart, fresh insight into stories that many of us have read so many times we can get a bit jaded and entrenched in our views on them.

The way you read Summer Magic was so different to mine, which has changed over the years, yet felt so clear and apparent. I'd read Summer Magic back in the day as it came out weekly as just a 2000ad dark take on the classic boys own adventure. Doing what 2000ad does so well. Taking something from mainstream culture and spinning it into a dark twisted corner.

On later reading I've never bought into the Harry Potter thing it feels such a shallow link. Due to its setting early 60s I've seen it as a tale about the fall of Empire. The new world at first admiring the old and being shaped by it, but then being exposed to its dark and vicious reality. To move past that the new has to remove the old and yet still has the same ambition underneath, all be it with the hope of youth.

Now as you say whether that was the intent of Alan MacKenzie and John Ridgway I don't know and frankly doesn't matter. As its my reading that counts, as your reading is what counts to you, we make our own stories from what we are given. What the pair of you have done and do so regularly on your glorious podcast, is made me really want to go back to re-read the story with fresh insight and possiblities. the best stories allow you to do that and the best commentors inspire that. And that's you two, your damnable youth, energy and smart taking us old traditionalists and shaking up our entrenched old world order with fresh understanding.

May the sun never set on Space Spinner 2000.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 20 November, 2019, 12:39:01 PM
When Summer Magic came out it was pre-Potter of course, but I remember thinking it was clearly ripping off The Dark is Rising books by Susan Cooper - both feature children who go to stay with their mysterious uncle in the country, who turns out to be a powerful magician and get drawn into Arthurian legend and the battle between light and dark.

Summer Magic however had an ending that was a typically dark 2000ad twist;  which I did not see coming, and it turned the whole story on it's head. It's a damn shame the series was never finished, as I wonder what may have happened in the final books.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 November, 2019, 08:28:34 PM
Thanks for your kind words everyone, and I'm glad our take on Summer Magic is causing people to reread the story!  Fox and I had a big discussion about it off air that really made it feel like we had to bring it on the show (which is unusual for us, our general motto is "anything worth saying about the thrills is worth saving for the show.") Hopefully it didn't get to heady or ridiculous, and we are definitely reading a lot into the story, but I think that's part of the fun!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 November, 2019, 05:28:48 AM
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Synth Out! It's the twentieth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

Grab your buddies, alive or dead, and let's head out on the trail of the Traitor General with Rogue Trooper! One of the Mount Rushmore 2000AD characters- and the only one besides Dredd is an official video game-Rogue and his comrades Helm, Gunnar, and Bagman are traveling the world, fighting everyone they come across. This episode will introduce us to Rogue and his world: His bio-chipped buddies, the endless war between the Norts and the Southers on a poisoned planet known as Nu-Earth.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 November, 2019, 06:09:52 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and eighty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 579-582 of 2000AD, covering June and July 1988. This episode Bad Company is thinning out, Dredd wears out a full mental jacket, the ABC Warriors are heading out, and the new Strontium Dog is headed for a no-go!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 26 November, 2019, 07:59:37 PM
Thanks Conrad, much appreciated as always.

I think this is the first time Strontium Dog has ever been in the 'worst thrill' category. SD was so consistently strong until these personnel changes so the drop-off is quite jarring. I had stopped reading 2000AD before this happened and so I never witnessed it at the time but I do know things eventually come good since I have bought the Life And Death Of Johnny Alpha trade since returning. It could be a long time though.

This is all new territory for me, as we are reading it, and I feel like Dredd is carrying the prog right now since I am not enjoying Bad Company or ABC Warriors as much as you guys seem to since I find them hard to follow. Strontium Dog and Zenith were great in the early part of 88 and kept a good balance back then and I can see that we have Slaine, Nemesis and Zenith returning so I am expecting the current form to be a temporary dip.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 November, 2019, 07:54:35 PM
I think we come around on Harrison's art reasonably quickly, I think this episode we're very much venting our spleens on the new guy! It is a shocking change imo, most 2000AD stories either change artists early and frequently (Dredd, Rogue Trooper, and Slaine are examples of this) or have a pretty steady creative team. The last time I can think of a big change like the on in Strontium Dog was Talbot taking over for O'Neill in Nemesis, and his style really fit the dark victorian feel of the Gothic Empire in a way that Harrison's style doesn't really fit Johnny Alpha and the Dog House.

I'm interested to see how we get on with the upcoming big story, I remember not liking Feral that much the first time 'round, but I'm will to reevaluate my stance!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 28 November, 2019, 10:46:43 AM
ah yes the big stront story i cannot wait for coverage on that
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 28 November, 2019, 01:22:02 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 28 November, 2019, 10:46:43 AM
ah yes the big stront story i cannot wait for coverage on that
The Dead Man is the one I am most looking forward to. I only read it in graphic novel form decades after it was published but it is clear that it would have been quite an experience to read it at the time so I am looking forward to hearing Fox'x views on it as it unfolds.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 December, 2019, 06:17:25 AM
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Yes, I messed up and released this episode a day early. It's a Thanksgiving week miracle!

In our thrilling hundred and eighty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 583-586 of 2000AD, covering July and August 1988. This episode Johnny Alpha gets involved in feud business, Bad Company gets to the heart of the matter, we'll learn some Tribal memories, Tyranny Rex is under foreign skies, Nemesis arrives to bring some death, and Judge Dredd deals with hot dogs, batmen, and bloodlines! Also, it all depends on the cheese. EXACTLY!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 01 December, 2019, 11:35:59 AM
The Danny Franks Krool Heart must be the source of all annual text stories.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 11:47:24 AM
Don't remember that song...  Probably blocked it out (or perhaps you mercifully cut it short before the hook).

Just started listening now so don't know what the content is, but is this the one with the Judgefather?  That's a rhetorical question, I'm sure I'll find out within about half an hour of listening.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 December, 2019, 12:06:02 PM
I can spend Sunday marvelling at my Dredd minis and listening to Space Spinner?  This more than makes up for late prog!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
Thanks for today's bit of eduction - I had no idea 'oxters' meant armpit in the Scotch language ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 01:12:55 PM
Great episode guys - fun* fact (for next episode, even though it's all been recorded and everything) - at the time that Twister ran I'd only ever seen the Wizard of Oz on a black and white TV**, so the reference was lost on me.

* definitions of 'fun' may vary
** showing my age here...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
Thanks for today's bit of eduction - I had no idea 'oxters' meant armpit in the Scotch language ;)

And for tomorrow's piece of eduction, I'll learn how to spell eduction.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 01 December, 2019, 01:46:33 PM

Sunday drop works for me.

Now coverage of Bad Company II is finished, I'd like to unhelpfully point out that 'Derancine' is called De Racine, which, at the time, I assumed was a reference to a French poet I was unaware of, but which I've since realised is probably just a contraction of the word deracinated (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deracinate).

'Rackam' is called Rackman, a play on the name of the infamous London slum landlord (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman). Neither name seems appropriate to the nature of the characters, so I assume Milligan was just using words he liked the sound of as the jumping-off point for creating a character.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: Frank on 01 December, 2019, 01:46:33 PM
Sunday drop works for me.

Works better for me too - if I have my timings right, that'd leave Mondays for Mega-City Book Club...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 December, 2019, 02:28:35 PM
Interesting how Tribal Memories as an (at the time) total 80s Liberal "woke" political story feels as wrong to you as all the unreconstructed "Ay Caramba!" that the new creators were quick to either parody (I hope with Morrison/Millar), embrace (Ennis) or resist (Milligan, here).  Be interesting in how Crisis dealings with race come across as clunky from a modern perspective - I recall Pat brought in Alan Mitchell as co-writer in order to avoid condescending race tropes?

Also, Glenn Medeiros!  Jesus, 1988, just...Jesus!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 01 December, 2019, 02:52:12 PM
Quote from: Frank on 01 December, 2019, 01:46:33 PM
Neither name seems appropriate to the nature of the characters

He died on the rack, man
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 01 December, 2019, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 December, 2019, 02:28:35 PM
Interesting how Tribal Memories as an (at the time) total 80s Liberal "woke" political story feels as wrong to you as all the unreconstructed "Ay Caramba!" that the new creators were quick to either parody (I hope with Morrison/Millar), embrace (Ennis) or resist (Milligan, here).

Aside from unsubtle writing, the charge here seems to be that a couple of white guys shouldn't have created this story. Which is a point of view.

The broader, more general idea that outdated attitudes make any work difficult to enjoy on its own merits is problematic, to me, since - as you point out - what's woke today is hate speech tomorrow, and Rey is doomed to burn on the same bonfire as N***** Jim.


Andy B - No, mate I mean the origin name, Rachman, a slum landlord, doesn't have any thematic resonance for a pain junkie
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Tjm86 on 01 December, 2019, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
.....  in the Scotch language ;)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Can open ..... worms .... everywhere ......
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 December, 2019, 03:41:49 PM
Yeah, I'm not defending Tribal Memories as I can see it as a Rick from the Young Ones attempt to be "right on" with all the cringe that entails, especially at a distance - like Dr Who's Ace from the same Era,  a middle class idea of what "street" is.

To be fair to Milligan it is more that time has not necessarily been kind to it's attempts at political correctness, rather than it being dodgy at the time.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 December, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
Tribal Memories has a lot going on. It's a mix of "noble savage (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NobleSavage)" and "magical negro (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagicalNegro)" combined with a some holocaust allusions. I think it's coming from a well intentioned place, I'm sure the creators are ernest in their efforts, but I think it's definitely a story that hasn't aged gracefully in the last 31 years. The next time we talk about it I compare it to the music video African Child from the movie "Get Him to the Greek" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YCZr0epts) in a good-hearted attempt that falls flat with any kind of distance to the work. For the record I do think it's unfair to come down to hard on these stories decades after they were published, and I'd much rather see stuff like this than more "Blakee Pentax" or various MACH 1 villains from the earlier days of the comic (Or even the slightly more recent stuff in the Warlord story). I'm a big fan of Peter Milligan and enjoy Tony Wright's work, I wish I had a better vocabulary for explaining why this story hits me so badly, but it really really does.

Quote from: Tjm86 on 01 December, 2019, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
.....  in the Scotch language ;)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Can open ..... worms .... everywhere ......

See, I've read ahead to the upcoming Zenith story, where we learn the correct nomenclature :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 01 December, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 December, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
The next time we talk about it I compare it to the music video African Child from the movie "Get Him to the Greek" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YCZr0epts)

It's Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 December, 2019, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: Frank on 01 December, 2019, 04:20:13 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 December, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
The next time we talk about it I compare it to the music video African Child from the movie "Get Him to the Greek" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-YCZr0epts)

It's Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

I'm the first to admit that my sci-fi lit knowledge is extremely patchy, so sometimes I come at things from crappy directions! It's always different when it's not just Fox and I screwing around late at night, talking out our butts about these stories.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 01 December, 2019, 05:29:37 PM
Conrad - your summary of 'Bloodline' was masterful: it really comes across how much you appreciated it.

Reading along with you guys is the closest we'll ever get to experiencing this stuff for the first time: can't wait for you to get to the rest of this story.

I'm as much of a Trump-hating liberal as the next guy, but (apart from not being very good), I don't see 'Tribal Memories' as problematic. Seems to be a laudable attempt for the time  to do non-white characters without the Wagner/Grant comedy stereotypes (back soon! Me so sorry). Not sure I agree that white creators should only write about white characters: that's a slippery slope. (That said, I have no idea about Tony Wright's ethnicity)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 01 December, 2019, 05:33:25 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 01 December, 2019, 05:29:37 PM
Reading along with you guys is the closest we'll ever get to experiencing this stuff for the first time: can't wait for you to get to the rest of this story.

Well put.

I've said it before, I'd forgotten how much of the flavour of the strips is missed once you remove the context, like the ads, reader letters and art, even music. You don't get that in a collection.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 December, 2019, 06:04:25 PM
S'right.  It is fascinating how your reading of some 30 year old strips can often be with the same enthusiasm as we had at the time, and sometimes time has separated the wheat from the chaff - Hicklenton and Harrison come from a similar iconoclastic approach, but one you took in your stride and the other is currently proving a bit harder to swallow -back in 1988, was it possible for Tharg to detect which would weather better?

Quote from: Steve Green on 01 December, 2019, 05:33:25 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 01 December, 2019, 05:29:37 PM
Reading along with you guys is the closest we'll ever get to experiencing this stuff for the first time: can't wait for you to get to the rest of this story.

Well put.

I've said it before, I'd forgotten how much of the flavour of the strips is missed once you remove the context, like the ads, reader letters and art, even music. You don't get that in a collection.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 06:55:25 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 01 December, 2019, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 12:29:21 PM
.....  in the Scotch language ;)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Can open ..... worms .... everywhere ......


Nah, it's okay - I meant it ironically - like Robert talking to Eddie.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 07:20:12 PM
Quote from: Andy B on 01 December, 2019, 05:29:37 PM
(That said, I have no idea about Tony Wright's ethnicity)


I'd always assumed he was black, if I was thinking about it at all (there's one or two 2000AD/House of Tharg creators who I only discovered decades later were black).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 02 December, 2019, 12:02:30 AM
thanks for the early ep made my boring sunday more interesting
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 December, 2019, 03:07:32 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 December, 2019, 06:04:25 PM
S'right.  It is fascinating how your reading of some 30 year old strips can often be with the same enthusiasm as we had at the time, and sometimes time has separated the wheat from the chaff - Hicklenton and Harrison come from a similar iconoclastic approach, but one you took in your stride and the other is currently proving a bit harder to swallow -back in 1988, was it possible for Tharg to detect which would weather better?

For me a lot of it is that Strontium Dog is so closely associated with Ezquerra at this point, sure there have been other folks on it, but Harrison is a big change all at once. Nemesis on the other hand had already had a big art changes (Redondo and Talbot) and while Strontium Dog is very much still telling a space western story, Nemesis is weird and conceptual and I think this more modern art style fits it much better generally.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 02 December, 2019, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 December, 2019, 02:28:35 PM
Interesting how Tribal Memories as an (at the time) total 80s Liberal "woke" political story feels as wrong to you as all the unreconstructed "Ay Caramba!" that the new creators were quick to either parody (I hope with Morrison/Millar), embrace (Ennis) or resist (Milligan, here). 

Tribal Memories is not so much blacking up for a minstrel show, more like wearing a native american headdress to Burning Man - heart's in the right place, but best not, eh?

I didn't get the connection of Bat-mugger to the attempted batman crossover but that cover in hindsight is quite explicit -I mean  "dark night" ?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 02 December, 2019, 04:50:46 PM
i may be talking out of my rear but the tryout was for apparently a proposed alan moore written dredd/batman crossover that never happened and instead became the killing joke
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Frank on 02 December, 2019, 05:50:14 PM

As far as I know, Davis was prepping for a completely separate attempt to team Judge Dredd with Batman

This piece (https://www.cbr.com/alan-davis-batman-judge-dredd/), by Brian Cronin, says the first attempt fell through because IPC didn't think Batman was a big enough deal, but I've also read (can't remember where) that Wagner & Grant were livid when they discovered Sanders & Co. had tapped Moore to write the first attempt. So Wagner was helping Davis prep for a Judge Dredd/Batman crossover he (and Grant) would write.

Grant says he and Wagner struggled with an initial attempt at what would become Judgement On Gotham that was very serious in tone, focussing on the difference between Justice and Vengeance, before scrapping that draft and writing a comedy instead. So the Wagner, Grant and Davis book could have been very different to the Bisley one we eventually received.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 December, 2019, 07:54:34 AM
Oh damnit you chaps are going to have to stop making me want to go back and re-evaluate things I'm in the middle of my own re-read and I gotta get on...

... anyway after the evaluation of Summer Magic you now make me want to re-read Tribal Memories always a firm favourite of mine. I worry that I enjoyed this so much in the past that I'm now blind to the issues it has. What that says about me I shudder to think, but even on re-read, including one pretty recently, I've always loved this short story...

...maybe I shouldn't return.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 December, 2019, 05:52:51 PM
Quote from: Frank on 02 December, 2019, 05:50:14 PM

This piece (https://www.cbr.com/alan-davis-batman-judge-dredd/), by Brian Cronin, says the first attempt fell through because IPC didn't think Batman was a big enough deal, but I've also read (can't remember where) that Wagner & Grant were livid when they discovered Sanders & Co. had tapped Moore to write the first attempt. So Wagner was helping Davis prep for a Judge Dredd/Batman crossover he (and Grant) would write.

I based my coverage of the bat-mugger on that article, if there's any confusion it's from my own errors.

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 03 December, 2019, 07:54:34 AM
Oh damnit you chaps are going to have to stop making me want to go back and re-evaluate things I'm in the middle of my own re-read and I gotta get on...

I can't stress enough that our readings are neither authoritative nor even that well informed! Like I said to someone about our Summer Magic stuff, we are 100% millennials reading way too much into things!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 06 December, 2019, 11:36:07 AM
In terms of re-evaluating Tribal Memories, it can't be stressed enough that a), as Frank points out, the story is more or less directly lifting from one segment of Brave New World and b), yes, Tony Riot Wright has brown skin. (see also Simon Harrison, although he wasn't asked to draw any explicitly BAME characters until his own co-creation Revere debuts).

None of this has any bearing on whether or not you think it's a good story! (Personally I think it could have done with stretching out over a few more episodes, and maybe drawing more attention in-story to the whole Brave New World thing. Although I always appreciate that Milligan believes his readers are as well-read as he is. Frankly I spend too much time reading 2000AD to squeeze any novels in, let alone literary classics)

Just for the sake of it, I'm sharing a link to an old series of blog posts I wrote about 2000AD's history with BAME characters.
http://meanwhileon.blogspot.com/2016/10/bame-pow-comics-get-diverse-part-1.html (http://meanwhileon.blogspot.com/2016/10/bame-pow-comics-get-diverse-part-1.html)


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 December, 2019, 06:07:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mVNoYUx.png)

Mind the oranges! It's the twenty-first in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

The middle child in Alan Moore's 2000AD tales of space teenagers DR & Quich began their lives as one-off characters in a silly future shock that gave way to a recurring series. He'd done this previously with Abelard Snazz, the genius with the double-decker head. But while those stories had usually been single issue adventures with DR & Quinch Moore and Davis were able to spread out and tell extensive tales, usually while playing with tropes of established stories. Whether it's dating, going to war, or getting a movie made, DR & Quinch bring an anarchic style and dash of ultra violence to everything they do!

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Stitcher (https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
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Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 December, 2019, 08:49:01 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 December, 2019, 02:06:44 PM
Quote from: Frank on 01 December, 2019, 01:46:33 PM
Sunday drop works for me.

Works better for me too - if I have my timings right, that'd leave Mondays for Mega-City Book Club...

I had my timings wrong - no idea why I thought MCBC was published on Mondays - it's ever second Sunday (so there should be one out today - so that's a DR & Quinch & MCBC Sunday for me today).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 December, 2019, 11:12:42 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 December, 2019, 06:07:47 AM
Mind the oranges! It's the twenty-first in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

The middle child in Alan Moore's 2000AD tales of space teenagers DR & Quich began their lives as one-off characters in a silly future shock that gave way to a recurring series. He'd done this previously with Abelard Snazz, the genius with the double-decker head. But while those stories had usually been single issue adventures with DR & Quinch Moore and Davis were able to spread out and tell extensive tales, usually while playing with tropes of established stories. Whether it's dating, going to war, or getting a movie made, DR & Quinch bring an anarchic style and dash of ultra violence to everything they do!

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/l6AW50xuvyo)
iTunes (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/space-spinner-2000/id1162479912?mt=2)
Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ih1CZpbdDGnb0aJthCind?si=XS_rRSmnRRKfjliu5lXGtQ)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

What do I think?  What do I think?  I'm never going to be able to read DR & Quinch without imagining Dobbs' lines in Conrad's voice and Quinch's lines in Fox's!*





* @ FoxIsntARobot if I ask nicely, will you say "S'right"?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 December, 2019, 11:13:58 AM
p.s. when I got given a batch of progs by my next-door neighbour when I was eight years old, DR & Quinch have Fun on Earth was one of the stories contained therein.  It was all downhill from there (for me - the prog just got better).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 December, 2019, 05:35:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/LxKw0ng.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred eighty-sixth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1989 2000AD Annual. This is the twelfth 2000AD annual and we're seeing a great combination of new stories and classic thrills in these pages. The highlights of this year's annual include extra episodes of classic thrills, including epilogues and prequels, the conclusion of Flesh Book 1, and a series of the Ron Smith Daily Dredds strips!

This episode Conrad is joined by friend of the show David Page, also known as THE MONARCH on the 2000AD Forums!

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Quote from: sheridan on 08 December, 2019, 11:12:42 AM
What do I think?  What do I think?  I'm never going to be able to read DR & Quinch without imagining Dobbs' lines in Conrad's voice and Quinch's lines in Fox's!*

It's funny, because physically I'm very much the Quinch and Fox is the the DR!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 09 December, 2019, 05:46:54 AM
Oh man I was so nervous you can totally tell. Hope I wasn't too bad on this folks and I am so glad I was invited to this so thank you conrad and hopefully if i didn't suck too bad i could be back on in the future
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 December, 2019, 06:24:36 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 09 December, 2019, 05:46:54 AM
Oh man I was so nervous you can totally tell. Hope I wasn't too bad on this folks and I am so glad I was invited to this so thank you conrad and hopefully if i didn't suck too bad i could be back on in the future

I thought you were great! Looking forward to having you back on!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 09 December, 2019, 10:40:20 AM
and yes we recorded this before the news of an extention to the ultimate collection so for all i know ace trucking could get a third book to finish it now xd :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 December, 2019, 05:35:07 AM
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Nain! It's the twenty-second in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

Start digging some holes, because Rogue Trooper is on the warpath! This section sees Rogue moving away from the short, single or double prog stories of the early days to longer and more far-reaching tales. We're also seeing the creative team solidify a bit, generally stories are being tag teamed by Cam Kennedy and Colin Wilson, with Brett Ewins dodging in every now and then. This also where the pursuit of the Traitor General becomes Rogue's paramount goal, when he isn't distracted by a side-quest or temporary threat. We'll also the first of a long-running Rogue Trooper trope, the treacherous femme fatale! (I guess femme fatales are inherently treacherous, but still!)

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 December, 2019, 05:51:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/E1n09nJ.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and eighty-eighth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1989 Judge Dredd Annual.  This is the ninth Dredd Annual, and features a multi part story with full color art by Carlos Ezquerra and classic tales from the archive, and some Ron Smith Daily Dredds!

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Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sixmo on 18 December, 2019, 05:08:17 PM
Just finished listening to the Dredd Annual 1989 podcast. Good work lads!
The "steak" at the end of the Costa del Blood is the hunk of meat on a bone that the yeti waxwork creature was holding. Was not a club!

Also, I'd just like to recall one of my favourite meta lines in anything when Dracula's servant is rowing across the Black Atlantic. He says something along the lines of "Now The Master will have new feeding grounds. No more small minded peasants with their pitchforks and torches. No more damned Peter Cushing!"

Peter Cushing, of course, played Van Helsing in a number of Hammer Horror movies opposite Christopher Lee's Dracula. (Does anyone have the exact quote to hand?). Love that line.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 December, 2019, 08:36:02 PM
All the dialogue on the thrall's intro page:
"Lights, master - I can see the lights!
We're almost there!  Soon have you tucked away in the Mega-City!
No-one will find you there!  No ignorant peasants to chase you with their torches and stakes!  No witch-hunts and persecutions!  no damned Peter Cushing!
No-one will even suspect... and a whole city at your mercy!"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sixmo on 18 December, 2019, 10:52:20 PM
Awesome. Even better than I recalled!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 December, 2019, 12:53:29 AM
Quote from: sixmo on 18 December, 2019, 05:08:17 PM
Just finished listening to the Dredd Annual 1989 podcast. Good work lads!
The "steak" at the end of the Costa del Blood is the hunk of meat on a bone that the yeti waxwork creature was holding. Was not a club!

I definitely now accept that it's a hunk of meat (maybe with a sharpened leg bone?) but man, to me it really just looked like a wooden club!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 December, 2019, 12:53:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1l0ipTH.jpg)

Happy Holidays! As part of the 2000AD Forums Advent Calendar Fox and Conrad recorded a commentary track to be played alongside the 1995 Judge Dredd movie, starring Slyvester Stallone, Diane Lane, and Armand Assante! All you need is a copy of the movie and you're ready to watch along with your chums from Space Spinner as we check out this much maligned piece of Thrill-Cinema.

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Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ih1CZpbdDGnb0aJthCind?si=XS_rRSmnRRKfjliu5lXGtQ)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think, and happy holidays!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 20 December, 2019, 05:10:35 AM
oh this gonna be good
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 December, 2019, 02:20:23 PM
That film still looks good, and has some great actors.


But also, y'know, a few little bits of miscasting that have been gone over many times before...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 20 December, 2019, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 December, 2019, 12:53:43 AM
...Fox and Conrad recorded a commentary track to be played alongside the 1995 Judge Dredd movie...

Fox and Conrad?!  Double whammy! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cNd0hbIoQk)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 December, 2019, 05:38:39 AM
If it'd been just me I'd burn up like a SIGNAL FLARE
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 21 December, 2019, 11:40:10 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 20 December, 2019, 03:30:43 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 December, 2019, 12:53:43 AM
...Fox and Conrad recorded a commentary track to be played alongside the 1995 Judge Dredd movie...

Fox and Conrad?!  Double whammy! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cNd0hbIoQk)

I knew somebody would say that ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 December, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/lq6QYSG.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and eighty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 587-590 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1988. This episode 2000AD is going big! More pages, full color Dredd, and a record 10 different thrills! It's bad time for Fox and Conrad, but good times for everyone else as Hap Hazard, Rogue Trooper, Slaine, and Zenith return!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 23 December, 2019, 10:02:56 AM
PHew - cover image says progs 587 to 597 - thought you guys were accelerating for a moment!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 23 December, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
Thanks - it seems like a xmas treat to listen to SS2000 while relaxing at home instead of while on my Monday commute to work. Merry Christmas to Conrad and Fox, and a happy New Year too. In 2020 we should see you reach the biggest 'shock-surprise' moment in 2000AD so this is going to be quite a year for the Podcast.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 December, 2019, 05:11:55 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 23 December, 2019, 10:02:56 AM
PHew - cover image says progs 587 to 597 - thought you guys were accelerating for a moment!

Oh jeez! I'll fix it when I can, but probably not until after Xmas :(

Quote from: WhizzBang on 23 December, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
Thanks - it seems like a xmas treat to listen to SS2000 while relaxing at home instead of while on my Monday commute to work. Merry Christmas to Conrad and Fox, and a happy New Year too. In 2020 we should see you reach the biggest 'shock-surprise' moment in 2000AD so this is going to be quite a year for the Podcast.

Thanks! Have a great one yourself! FYI there's a big special collection coming on Friday, so keep watching this space!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 23 December, 2019, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 23 December, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
Thanks - it seems like a xmas treat to listen to SS2000 while relaxing at home instead of while on my Monday commute to work. Merry Christmas to Conrad and Fox, and a happy New Year too. In 2020 we should see you reach the biggest 'shock-surprise' moment in 2000AD so this is going to be quite a year for the Podcast.

I've lost track - is that [spoiler]Alpha[/spoiler] or [spoiler]Dead Man[/spoiler]?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 23 December, 2019, 06:44:32 PM
Meant to add - the dialogue in Nemesis is (IIRC) taken from Pat Mills evesdropping on his teenage daughter's friends ( a trick he would also use in Third World War IIRC) - since Jenny is studyng for her A Levels, she is the same age as I was - 17 or so (which makes Torq's interest all the more disturbing). Despite this, I was as lost you you were 30 years and an Ocean away - bloody students!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 December, 2019, 07:08:12 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 23 December, 2019, 06:16:02 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 23 December, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
Thanks - it seems like a xmas treat to listen to SS2000 while relaxing at home instead of while on my Monday commute to work. Merry Christmas to Conrad and Fox, and a happy New Year too. In 2020 we should see you reach the biggest 'shock-surprise' moment in 2000AD so this is going to be quite a year for the Podcast.

I've lost track - is that [spoiler]Alpha[/spoiler] or [spoiler]Dead Man[/spoiler]?

I think it's both! 1989 is crazy!

Quote from: Leigh S link=to pic=44366.msg1020164#msg1020164 date=1577126672
Meant to add - the dialogue in Nemesis is (IIRC) taken from Pat Mills evesdropping on his teenage daughter's friends ( a trick he would also use in Third World War IIRC) - since Jenny is studyng for her A Levels, she is the same age as I was - 17 or so (which makes Torq's interest all the more disturbing). Despite this, I was as lost you you were 30 years and an Ocean away - bloody students!

I definitely think it feels authentic, but like the upcoming Tyranny Rex it feels like going for authenticity and style over an easy to follow narrative.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 24 December, 2019, 01:46:56 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 December, 2019, 12:53:43 AM

Happy Holidays! As part of the 2000AD Forums Advent Calendar Fox and Conrad recorded a commentary track to be played alongside the 1995 Judge Dredd movie, starring Sylvester Stallone, Diane Lane, and Armand Assante! All you need is a copy of the movie and you're ready to watch along with your chums from Space Spinner as we check out this much maligned piece of Thrill-Cinema.

Please let me know what you think, and happy holidays!

Well that was fun, but I don't know what weirdass speed version you were watching, I bought it on Amazon (1h36m) but I was constantly hitting the +10s to catch up with the dialogue you were referencing, though there didn't seem to be any actual scenes cut.

Fox - I can forgive a Trekkie forgetting the game "Paresi Squares" in the heat of the moment, but to follow with "I'll stop my Star Wars stuff now" -  ::)

Strange that you felt Dredd's trial incongruous as it's lifted almost directly from The Day the Law Died - Dredd's framed for murdering a journalist, the council votes him guilty, except Dredd doesn't go quietly, he crashes the prison shuttle into the spaceport and goes on the run.

Shame there was no acknowledgment of the film's coolest guest star, Ian Dury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Dury)

Enjoyed it a lot though, certainly my most pleasurable watch for many years. Thanks guys for another year of thrills.
Splundig Vur Ho Ho Ho.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 December, 2019, 05:19:41 AM
Yeah, we were on a digital version that was super fast, something I didn't realize until the day of recording, and we had to use it because it was basically impossible for Fix to find an English language version of the movie on short notice. I'm hoping we can do more stuff like this in the future and we definitely learned a lot of lessons from doing this one!

I had a lot of plans to talk about stuff as we went, but I should have known my best laid plans wouldn't survive contact with Fox! 😄
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 December, 2019, 10:24:37 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare
Fox - I can forgive a Trekkie forgetting the game "Paresi Squares" in the heat of the moment, but to follow with "I'll stop my Star Wars stuff now" -  ::)

That jumped out at me as well (though no idea what the Squares game is - look like a take-off of that thing in Battlestar Galactica from my meagre research just now).

QuoteShame there was no acknowledgment of the film's coolest guest star, Ian Dury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Dury)

I figure he's not as well known in the USA as he is in the UK.  Also look out for him in the second Crow film.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 24 December, 2019, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 December, 2019, 01:46:56 AM

Shame there was no acknowledgment of the film's coolest guest star, Ian Dury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Dury)


Hang on a moment, I didn't know that - Ian Dury?!  Who did he play?  He wasn't the dude in the robot shop where Hammerstein first appears, was he?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 December, 2019, 12:39:01 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 24 December, 2019, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 24 December, 2019, 01:46:56 AM

Shame there was no acknowledgment of the film's coolest guest star, Ian Dury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Dury)


Hang on a moment, I didn't know that - Ian Dury?!  Who did he play?  He wasn't the dude in the robot shop where Hammerstein first appears, was he?


He certainly was!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 24 December, 2019, 01:58:02 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 24 December, 2019, 12:39:01 PM


He certainly was!

Well I never.  There should be a thread for things that go over folks heads like this!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 December, 2019, 05:06:06 AM
I'm away from my usual posting facilities, but if you're going out these holidays, please let us join you!

http://spacespinner2000.com/2019/12/26/collection-23-the-ballad-of-halo-jones/ (http://spacespinner2000.com/2019/12/26/collection-23-the-ballad-of-halo-jones/)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 27 December, 2019, 07:18:23 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 December, 2019, 05:06:06 AM
I'm away from my usual posting facilities, but if you're going out these holidays, please let us join you!

http://spacespinner2000.com/2019/12/26/collection-23-the-ballad-of-halo-jones/ (http://spacespinner2000.com/2019/12/26/collection-23-the-ballad-of-halo-jones/)

And once you've listened to Conrad and Fox's collected talking about Halo, you could do worse than pop over to the Mega-City Book Club for Eamonn's take...

Episode 17 (https://megacitybookclub.blogspot.com/2016/10/mega-city-book-club-17-ballad-of-halo.html) featuring Rackle and *ahem* me.

Episode 53, Revisited (https://megacitybookclub.blogspot.com/2017/12/53-halo-jones-revisited.html) featuring Jenny Clarke.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 December, 2019, 08:27:04 PM
Yes absolutely! I believe we mention MCBC in our coverage, highly recommended!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 December, 2019, 09:24:56 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 December, 2019, 08:27:04 PM
Yes absolutely! I believe we mention MCBC in our coverage, highly recommended!

You do indeed - I posted that just after I'd started listening to it!




You remembered Glyph, too...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 December, 2019, 10:19:01 PM
Who?



😅
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 December, 2019, 10:22:02 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 December, 2019, 05:13:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dvzYvBx.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and eighty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 591-594 of 2000AD, covering September and October of 1988. This episode Nemesis the Warlock goes clubbing, PJ Maybe returns, Zenith meets the CIA, and the Moon Runners are starting some sexy business!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 31 December, 2019, 05:39:24 PM
PJ Maybe is being all political with his use of SLD88!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Social_and_Liberal_Democrats_leadership_election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Social_and_Liberal_Democrats_leadership_election)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 January, 2020, 12:58:48 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 31 December, 2019, 05:39:24 PM
PJ Maybe is being all political with his use of SLD88!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Social_and_Liberal_Democrats_leadership_election (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Social_and_Liberal_Democrats_leadership_election)



OH JEEZ
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 January, 2020, 02:27:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/6K17xe8.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and ninetieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 595-599 of 2000AD, covering October and November of 1988. This episode it's a big five prog episode with returns for Tyranny Rex and Rogue Trooper, plus things are getting extremely tense in both Zenith and Moon Runners!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 06 January, 2020, 04:58:22 AM
and now soft bodies.... :lol:

you have no idea how long i have waited to see fox try to wrap his head round this one
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 January, 2020, 05:26:57 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/AO5f6Kr.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and ninety-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 600-603 of 2000AD, covering November and December of 1988. This episode Dredd meets a spider woman, Rogue completes hit 4, the Moon Runners are getting weird, and Zenith saves the day...with logic puzzles! Also Conrad makes WAY too may professional wrestling references!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 January, 2020, 04:54:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1o7Z1t2.jpg)

In our thrilling hundred and ninety-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 604-607 of 2000AD, covering December of 1988. This episode we're limping to the end of the year with an astonishing twelve different thrills! Tyranny Rex, Moon Runners, and Zenith end; Night Zero and Judge Anderson begin; and we'll have a holiday guest appearance by Bradley! Plus Dredd, Johnny Alpha, and Nemesis!

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Also! Now that we've finished 1988 it's time once again for our end-of-prog-year review and award show, THE SPINNIES! We'd love to hear what your favorites for the year were, we're looking for your nominations for the following categories:
Also this year we're adding an MVP category. Who added the most value, and was an indispensable part of 2000AD for the year 1988. It can be a character, a thrill, or even an IRL person!

You can post your picks here, send me a PM through the forum, email the show, or hit us up on the social medias. Looking forward to your choices!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 20 January, 2020, 08:57:13 AM
ohhh spinnies time again I need to think on this
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 January, 2020, 01:04:21 PM
To help (other people and myself) here's a list of who contributed things in 1988

Script Droids:
Nicholas Barber
Philip Barber
Jim Campbell
Connor Corderoy
Steve Dillon
Stewart Edwards
Dick Foreman
John Gatehouse
Simon Geller
Alan Grant
Mamo-Mason
Alan McKenzie
Peter Milligan
Pat Mills
Grant Morrison
Jon Murphy
Hilary Robinson
John Smith
Alex Stewart
John Wagner
Win Wiacek


Art Droids:
Jeff Anderson
Jim Baikie
Massimo Belardinelli
Simon Bisley
Brian Bolland
Dougie Braithwaite
Jose Casanovas
Dave D'Antiquis
Glyn Dillon
Steve Dillon
Nigel Dobyn
Phil Elliott
Richard Elson
Carlos Ezquerra
Brett Ewins
Glenn Fabry
Mark Farmer
Simon Harrison
John Hicklenton
John Higgins
Barry Kitson
Horacio Lalia
Garry Leach
Colin MacNeil
Paul Marshall
Brendan McCarthy
Jim McCarthy
Steve Parkhouse
John Ridgway
Riot / Tony Wright
David Roach
Cliff Robinson
Liam Sharp
Will Simpson
SMS
Kevin Walker
Chris Weston
Nik Williams
Steve Yeowell
JohnMC (?)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 January, 2020, 01:05:42 PM
And here's all the stories which appeared in the prog (including the one which was on the shelves as the year began).

Judge Dredd
Oz
Hitman
Simp About the House
Skeet and the Wrecking Crew
The Sage
Full Mental Jacket
Bloodline
Bat Mugger
The Brainstem Man
Twister
PJ Maybe, Age 13
Strange Customs
A Night at the Circus
A Night at the Opera
Worms
The Further Adventures of PJ Maybe, Age 14
The Power of the Gods
Eldster Vigilante Mud-Wrestling Ninjas
Accident Prone
Curse of the Spider-Woman
Alzheimer's Block
Tiger, Tiger

Tharg's Future-Shocks
Bedtime Story
A Good Thing
No Exit
Killer Rhythms
One Man's Meat
Care
Warriors
Conquering the Galaxy on $10 a Day
Heroic Failure
Of Glooking Globs and Gloins
Disconnected
Bliss
Wally Saves the Day
Monsters!
Team Work
Careless Talk
Casualty
Near Miss
Cultural Exchange
No News
Nightmare!
No 2 Lorinda
The Good Wife
Time and Time Again
Angel Chimes
Copyright
Vetted!
The Osmotic Man

Everything Else
ABC Warriors: The Black Hole
Bad Company: The Bewilderness
Bad Company: The Krool Heart
Bad Company: Simply
Bradley & the Toboggan Race
Chopper: Soul on Fire
Hap Hazzard (multiple untitled stories)
Judge Anderson: Contact
Moonrunners
Nemesis the Warlock Book 7: The Two Torquemadas
Nemesis the Warlock Book 8: Purity's Story
Nemesis the Warlock Book 9: Deathbringer
Rogue Trooper: The Legend
Rogue Trooper: Hit 2
Rogue Trooper: Through the Eyes of a Gun
Rogue Trooper: Hit 4
Slaine: The Killing Field
Slaine the Mini Series
Strontium Dog: Stone Killers
Strontium Dog: Incident on Zeta
Strontium Dog: The No-Go Job
Strontium Dog: The Final Solution
Summer Magic
Tales of the Doghouse: Back-to-Front Jones
Tales of the Doghouse: The Birdman of Alton Towers
Tales of the Doghouse:
Tales of Mega-City One: My Favourite Launderette
Tribal Memories
Tyranny Rex
Tyranny Rex: Under Foreign Skies
Tyranny Rex: Soft Bodies
Zenith: Interlude 1 & 2
Zenith Phase II: The Hollow Land
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 January, 2020, 07:59:36 AM
Spinnies Nominations

I'll do this now and quickly, otherwise I'll over think it and miss the deadline. So quick and dirty and I reserve the right to completely contradict myself if asked this question in, like, 5 minutes time.

Best Art - The Mighty Yeowell - Steve Yeowell is one of my all time favourite 2000ad artists and seeing his art develop over Zenith Phases 1 and 2 is a delight. All hail the Mighty Yeowell.

Best Writer - Grant Morrison for Zenith - 'cos its ace.

Best overall thrill:

1st Dredd - Bloodlines. For being brilliant and all the glorious stuff it sets in motion.

2nd Zenith - all of it to date. 'Cos its absolutely fantastic and feels so fresh in the context of the thrills that surround it.

3rd Summer Magic - For doing that wonderful tightrope act of being so atypically 2000ad and different, while managing at the same time to be so 2000ad.

HM to Bad Company 2 'cos I felt bad that I couldn't place it and its GREAT.

Best month - January for being what all good Januarys should about and giving us fresh starts. We get some solid stuff in Dredd (though I'm not Oz's biggest fan), Bad Company and ABC Warriors - Black Hole and the grimly beautiful Hicklenton Nemesis. But it also births Zenith and MOST significently it gives use the new logo that will in so many ways spawn all logos to come.

Best year. We're slip sliding away for a while now and so of course 1987 is better than 1988.

My MVP is more MIP - Most Influencial Player - and mostly 'cos I want Conrad and Fox to look into it more, I give it to...

ACCCCIIIIDDDDEEEEE, yes Acid House for crashing into the once Heavy Metal House of Tharg and turning 2000ad into the confused mixed up teen it will become. We might not like it, but we can't ignore it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 21 January, 2020, 09:55:19 AM
   
Best Art: The absolutely wonderful and moody art of Steve Yeowell. I cannot imagine zenith at all without him.

Hm: Chris weston: his earliest work may be a bit primitive compared to his later amazing stuff but as i mentioned in the book club episode I just did with Eamonn always been a fan since the start its just Steve kinda pulled higher for me this year.
   
Best Writing Grant Morrison: His zenith work is just top notch and i genuinly cannot wait to see phase 3 being covered its the most insanest thing ever

Best overall thrill okay now this is hard i needed to split between a dredd and a second thrill so here we go

Dredd: Bloodlines it is no secret that this story is going to start a series of dominos which will affect mega city one well into 1990 but other than the importance of this story it is still a cracking case study and krakens words to dredd are still chilling....he is the future....but what kind of a future could a judda clone of dredd bring?!?

Zenith: Phase 2 is just a much stronger story than phase one in every way. Peering into the very history of superheroes in the uk. showing both the past and the future of heroism in alternative 230, and oh man the wild ride coming this year its gonna be great. See you next CRISIS ;)

Best month - January talk about starting a year with a bang. Oz, bad company, a really strong pat mills power hour and zenith what more can you ask for?

best year: gets harder each time and since I cannot do another rick random award (bradley would totally get it if you were curious) i'll say 87 is still stronger than 88. The problem with 88 is a problem that'll continue into 89 and thats the schedule crunch which causes ongoing strips to miss issues at a time and be replaced by reprints or bad future shocks sadly its only gonna get worse.


   
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 21 January, 2020, 09:04:02 PM
ColinYNWA already has the right of it when he says that '88 is the Year of ACCCCIIIIIIIDDDDD!!!! House for 2000AD and we haven't even got to Roxilla yet!

For that very reason Best Art goes to BISLEY! for keeping it all metal, all the time.  My 2000AD was for grungy, grubby, angry kids and the appearance of the cool brigade was an unwelcome Invasion 1988 (though I would pay good money to see Bill Savage vs the Wonder Stuff!)

Best Writer is obscured by the breakup of TB Grover into his constituent parts.  It's further complicated by the lack of a powerhouse artist defining this years Dredd, with lots of new talent that will prove themselves in the long run, but no Kennedy, or McCarthy or Carlos to pull things together.  But if you isolate Wagner's bleak bag of Dredds from Grant's frothier stories, they stand up as well as any run – Full Mental Jacket, Bloodline, PJ Maybe, Curse of the Spider-Woman... Bloodline and Maybe will provide material for decades to come.  While other writers trip over themselves in their rush to resolve their clever ideas, John is happy to drop a 6 pager and let it brew for as long as it takes.

Best Story – Has to be ABC Warriors for me – I know Zenith is all shiny and relatively new and well put together and actually does a grand job of doing Superheroes 2000AD style.  But Pat's reinvention of the Meknificent Seven is a pitch perfect blueprint of how to make 2000AD work as it enters its second decade, playing to a broader age group, but also to that core audience of aforementioned angry headbanger kids – "wimps and posers, leave the hall!"

Best month is a toughie as they are all a mixed bag – September brought us a lot of PJ Maybe and some Daily Star Dredd – what looks like filler now (and looked like filler then!) was very welcome to me – the finest Wagner/Grant/Gibson!

I've talked before 1987 being all about the virtuous circle of 2000AD, Heavy Metal and Games Workshop.... that will still be technically true in 1988, but there is a definite sea change in 1988 – better paper, more pages (and more reprint!), hipper Tharg, more new faces (most critically on that there Strontium Dog strip.... ), so 1987 was the preferable year for me.   But better than 1984? By Grud and all his works, what is wrong with you!?  1984!!!

My MVP would be PJ Maybe – OK, so he debuted in 1987, but his reappearance here establishes him as the force to be reckoned with that he will remain for many a year to come.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 24 January, 2020, 01:35:12 PM
oh yeah almost forget re zenith

Rest in peace billy whizz....grant morrison can be a cruel bastard when he wants to be  :lol:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Billy_Whizz.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 25 January, 2020, 11:51:28 PM
Best Month: January

Best Writing: John Wagner.
For sowing seeds for future storylines (like introducing Kraken and bringing back PJ Maybe) and allowing Chopper to survive Oz - we all love a good anti-hero, but Nemesis and Deadlock are total dicks now, and sometimes you just want someone to root for, you know? And for that reason:

MVP: Chopper.

Best (and Worst) Art: John Hicklenton.
Grotesque, disturbing, frequently incomprehensible and generally unpleasant to look at. And yet utterly distinctive, dynamic, vibrant, exciting, and occasionally, absolutely iconic (https://66.media.tumblr.com/83da881863daf923f793dc7d6009b2ee/tumblr_inline_pcs7ufFpl41s1btgh_1280.jpg). I hate him. He's a genius.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 26 January, 2020, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 25 January, 2020, 11:51:28 PM
Best Writing: John Wagner.
For >snip< allowing Chopper to survive Oz

Good call Echidna - If Dredd had shot Chopper at the end of Oz, as I belive Grant was advocating for, then how would we view the character now?  I suppose it might have made the Millar/Morrison era Dredd feel less badly written, but that's about it!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 January, 2020, 04:32:12 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and ninety-third episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1988 Winter Special of 2000AD. This Special has some great stories featuring Zenith, Luke Kirby, classic Rogue Trooper, and an Alan Grant Power Hour featuring Judge Dredd, Johnny Alpha, and Judge Anderson!

Thanks to our own Leigh S for coming on the show with me, and remember there's still time to get your Spinnies nominations in, either here in this thread, via direct forum message, or plain old email!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 27 January, 2020, 11:23:34 AM
Thoughts for the end of 1988 roundup episode:

Best art: Liam Sharp - for creating PJ Maybe, a non-descript character with an amazing distinctive look, much harder than it seems. Also, for that panel of Uncle Wilbur's (or was it Fustus?) face mashing into the pavement.

Best writing: Wagner/Grant, mostly 'cos it's the last time they'll work together on a whole bunch of strips. But also Dredd in general had the best stories of 1988, except for...

Best overall Thrill: Summer Magic. Love the change of pace this series brought, and love John Ridgway's horror-tastic artwork. Fox and Conrad's dark reading of the text is also something I'd never considered before, but makes a ton of sense and adds another shade of horror.

Best month: January, obvs.

Best Year: not 1988, no sir. Still 1986 for me.

MVP: John Hicklenton, for being the best at making me feel funny in my tummy, and paving the way for other 'adult' artists like Simon 'Steve' Bisley and Simon 'can't draw dogs but who cares' Harrison.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 30 January, 2020, 08:55:08 PM
Script droid: Pat Mills - for the interlocking Nemesis and ABC Warriors stories this year.

Art Droid: Simon Bisley - what a debut to make!
Though was also tempted to pick SMS for providing another side to Agartha, and Hammerstein's 'childhood'.

Top: ABC Warriors: The Black Hole - I remember drawing copies of some of the Biz's artwork in my schoolbooks (in case you're wondering - textbooks, and the teachers didn't take them home to mark or anything).
Second: Nemesis the Warlock Book 7: The Two Torquemadas - puns, the humorous side of torture, history lessons and deviancy.
Third: Judge Dredd: Oz - the artwork was a bit chop and changy (and I usually like a variety of art styles) and at the time I thought the change of pace with the arrival of the Judda storyline was jarring, but nowadays I can appreciate all the art and all the story threads.  Plus we now know where all these threads lead - which I won't go in to, as Fox doesn't know  yet!

MVP: John Hicklenton - it took a while to get used to the style, but get used to it I did and by the time he did Fear Teachers in Toxic! I was a fan (only three years later).

Tomas de Torquemada was a pretty valued player too - I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out which one I mean :-)

I've taken long enough to submit this, so I'll pick the year I know best - 1983* (otherwise y'know, I'd have to look up what was published in 1987).



I'm so looking forward to finding out what Fox makes of The Final Solution and The Horned God!


*  Skizz, The Slaying of Slade, Nemesis the Warlock Book III, Malak Brood, loads of Alan Moore Time Twisters, The Graveyard Shift, Requiem for a Heavyweight, Cry of the Werewolf and Slaine!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 31 January, 2020, 07:17:49 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 21 January, 2020, 09:04:02 PM

I've talked before 1987 being all about the virtuous circle of 2000AD, Heavy Metal and Games Workshop....

That would make more sense as
"I've talked before about 1987 being a virtuous circle of 2000AD, Heavy Metal and Games Workshop...."

Anyway, bump - get your nominations in soon!

It was great fun and a privilege to help cover the Winter special and I would encourage anyone to get involved, if Conrad wasnt already snowed under with willing applicants!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 02 February, 2020, 04:11:35 PM
Totally agree doing this show and mcbc have been the most fun i had during a really bad time with my dad recovering from throat cancer causing familial strain
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 February, 2020, 05:39:41 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and ninety-fourth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1988. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1988 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1989 from both 2000AD and our show!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 04 February, 2020, 03:33:54 PM
Billy Ocean comes from Romford. This is the most discombobulating fact I know.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 February, 2020, 05:53:06 PM
With reference to the next phase of Zenith, I take it you've seen this scorecard (http://internationalhero.co.uk/s/scorcard.htm)?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 February, 2020, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 February, 2020, 05:53:06 PM
With reference to the next phase of Zenith, I take it you've seen this scorecard (http://internationalhero.co.uk/s/scorcard.htm)?

I have indeed! Explaining all the stuff that's going to be happening in Zenith is going to be a challenge :D My first time through I didn't know any of this of course, and just sort of assumed they were all silly characters Morrison had made up!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 February, 2020, 07:56:49 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 February, 2020, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 February, 2020, 05:53:06 PM
With reference to the next phase of Zenith, I take it you've seen this scorecard (http://internationalhero.co.uk/s/scorcard.htm)?

I have indeed! Explaining all the stuff that's going to be happening in Zenith is going to be a challenge :D My first time through I didn't know any of this of course, and just sort of assumed they were all silly characters Morrison had made up!

That was pretty much my experience, though I was familiar with the characters (just goes to check): Billy Whizz; Archie (through the 1985 2000AD annual); The Steel Claw (though I'd never seen him in a superhero outfit); the Leopard from Lime Street; Desperate Dan (not convinced that Ben is supposed to be Dan); Korky the Cat and Black Bob.  So, I was familiar with the characters, but I wouldn't have necessarily connected them to how they appear in Phase III...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: TordelBack on 05 February, 2020, 09:17:00 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 February, 2020, 07:56:49 PMDesperate Dan (not convinced that Ben is supposed to be Dan)

Red Son Dan.

There's some older forum discussion and links here (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=39666.0) too.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 February, 2020, 09:18:43 AM
Yep Ben is indeed an stand in for Desperate Dan :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 05 February, 2020, 12:14:58 PM
That link took me down a rabbit hole - spent ages last night reading up on characters I remember from my big brothers' Hotspur and Valiant annuals. Also, I'd forgotten just how many adventure stories appeared in the Beano alongside the funnies - Q-bikes (subsequently Q-karts), Billy the Cat, General Jumbo etc.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 February, 2020, 01:32:48 AM
So, is Q Bikes related to Z Cars? Is there a special way to say Q in British? It's complex!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Tjm86 on 07 February, 2020, 06:56:34 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 February, 2020, 01:32:48 AM
Is there a special way to say Q in British?

Don't know about 'say', but if you don't Q properly then that can be risky ...

You may be subjected to a disapproving glance, a frown or raised eyebrow, even a 'tut' if it is done badly ...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 07 February, 2020, 10:21:57 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 February, 2020, 01:32:48 AM
So, is Q Bikes related to Z Cars? Is there a special way to say Q in British? It's complex!

Ha, no and no.

The Q-bikes (http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/q/qbikes.htm) were a gang of crimefighting kids on bicycles (who later acquired go karts instead), but I've googled the dates and Q-bikes came out a year after Z-cars hit the TV screens, so they may have been riffing on that popular cop show. The main image on that oage really gave me  jolt of nostalgia, because I had that old Beano annual

PS - once again, I didn't get my arse in gear to nominate for the spinnies, even though I intended to - next year, guys, I promise!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Steve Green on 07 February, 2020, 10:42:02 AM
And Spikes Harvey Rotten calls the new Quasar bikes 'Q-bikes' in the Cursed Earth...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 February, 2020, 11:22:41 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 February, 2020, 10:42:02 AM
And Spikes Harvey Rotten calls the new Quasar bikes 'Q-bikes' in the Cursed Earth...

That's because he wasn't allowed into the Q-bikers once they got their Q-carts.  That's the effects of exclusion, kids - be good to each other!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Gary James on 07 February, 2020, 04:23:29 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 04 February, 2020, 05:53:06 PM
With reference to the next phase of Zenith, I take it you've seen this scorecard (http://internationalhero.co.uk/s/scorcard.htm)?
That would be immensely helpful if 22 of the characters weren't unidentified.

Gimme a little time...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 February, 2020, 09:23:38 PM
Listened to it properly now - I had been worried I vacillated too long to get in my nominations!

Re: school books - we have textbooks as well - they're the pre-printed ones you don't write in.  Exercise books are the ones you write in and sometimes hand in for the teacher to mark your homework.  I distinctly remember drawing the iconic Bizpic of Joe Pinapples standing with one foot on a robo-skull, aiming the sniper rifle on my French exercise book cover.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 February, 2020, 02:12:40 AM
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Freshen up your stereotypes, because we're headed for Fort Nuero! It's probably my favorite Rogue Trooper story, and finds the Genetic Infantrymen making his way through an isolated fortress on the edge of Nu-Earth where all of the inhabitants have gone completely mad! It's jokes I only sort of get and cool rover droids against an army of crafty Norts, and oh man it's a lot of fun. After that we'll meet a high ranking figure from Rogue's past, and join professor of dark shocks Alan Moore for meditations on the nature of conflict. It should be a great time!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 February, 2020, 05:31:09 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and ninety-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 608-611 of 2000AD, covering December of 1988. This episode  Nemesis is heading out, Tanner is on the case, Judge Anderson is making contact, Hap Hazzard is filling space, Zippy Couriers arrive in style, and Judge Dredd is headed to Hondo for robot espionage!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 19 February, 2020, 06:48:51 AM
Thanks Conrad and Fox - another great show to brighten the week. I think Fox summed it up nicely when he said everything that wasn't filler was great, and I don't think the filler is actually bad it is just in too high a quantity right now. That Walter The Wobot story was probably the best one of his solo stories too.

You also touched on the Sega Master System in the show and you are right in that it was far bigger than the NES but home computers were still more popular than consoles at this time. The Atari ST and Amiga were the leaders with the PC coming third. Sinclair had abandoned the gaming market and tried to make a business computer and battery powered transport which both failed.

There was one kid at my school who had a NES and Super Mario Bros was clearly the stand out title from his collection. The Master System generally looked a lot better and had some great arcade ports like R-Type and OutRun as well as a lovely version of Populous.

It probably wasn't until the Sega Mega Drive came out that consoles started to dominate home gaming in the UK.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 19 February, 2020, 11:43:57 AM
Another enjoyable episode, though yeah, there was an awful lot of filler in these progs. Although you're right that the City of the Dead art comparison was more suited for an annual or special, I remember being totally fascinated by it at the time - the re-do was slightly sketchier than the original, but to recreate a whole episode so quickly and accurately is pretty amazing.

Had a chuckle at your inability to work out the pronunciation of the "two-mor-oh" picture (y'know, the one labelled "tomorrow's logo"  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 February, 2020, 04:47:26 AM
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Yer a dead dog Alpha! It's the twenty-fifth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

Outlaw is the first real contemporary, full powered Strontium Dog epic. While Journey to hell features a Johnny, Wulf, and Gronk out of their element and without many time weapons, and Portrait of a mutant is about young Johnny, this is our hero at the height of his powers. It also brings in characters from both those previous epics and from smaller stories we've seen along the way, like Middenface McNulty and the Stix brothers, to say nothing of the ultimate evil, which I'll not spoil at this point. It's time to get the band back together and fight once more for mutant kind! Keep an eye out for my favorite, the Torso from Newcastle, as we head out with Strontium Dog: Outlaw!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 February, 2020, 11:39:56 AM
The story which introduced me to... well, everybody in that picture except Johnny and Wulf.  And as it's effectively a sequel to Portrait of a Mutant, which is where my own prog slog is at, I'll be looking forward to listening to that tonight.  Or is that listening forward?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 March, 2020, 06:17:12 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and ninety-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 612 to 615 of 2000AD, covering February of 1989. This episode Tanner heads to the roof, Judge Anderson goes clubbing, Swifty returns and crashes TWO parties, Strontium Dog peeks in, and we'll see the revenge of both a spider-woman and a little blue man!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 March, 2020, 03:08:00 AM
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Kiss my axe! It's the twenty-sixth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

More than most thrills, Slaine is a story with distinctive eras, easily identified by their artists. This collection has most of the first era, with work by series creator Angela Kincaid (Angela Mills at the time), along with McMahon and Belardinelli. AFter this we'll be in the time killers era with Glenn Fabry, David Pugh, and Mark Farmer, and we're soon to enter the Simon Bisley era on the podcast. This early era is interesting because of how low to the ground it is. It's got a very Conan feel to it, just a barbarian and his sidekick wandering the land, looking for trouble, and I think it can be interesting to compare this callow youth with the more grown up Sláine that we'll see in the Horned God. I hope you enjoy these early Sláine stories, and my terrible pronunciation of Celtic names!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 March, 2020, 04:18:52 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and ninety-seventh episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1989 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special is for the fellows, with all the stories featuring female protagonists!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 16 March, 2020, 10:48:20 PM
Cupid Stunt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLBW8L198GQ)!
Just like Maze!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 16 March, 2020, 11:31:11 PM
Nice episode! Pete Wells hits the nail (made of children's finger bones) on the head when he sneers the word "stoodents"!  :)

More prologuing in the Specials is not good specialing - I do very much like the Judge Cory tale, but question it being here, even if these specials were selling more. Limited filler here, but really only the one strip that really earns the title "Special"

That cover might be prettily painted, but it hasn't aged well - Let's hope Tharg doesn't get his own MeToo moment... claiming they do things differently on Quaxxan is not going to wash!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 17 March, 2020, 01:16:15 AM
I do remember reading that alan grant was both baffled and pissed that the corey strip was relegated to a special
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 17 March, 2020, 01:37:15 AM
One minute twelve seconds. That's how long it took Wells to lower the tone. And that's including the music.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 March, 2020, 05:11:19 AM
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Drokk it! It's the twenty-seventh in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

We're back in Mega-City One for a massive, nearly three hour episode! Case Files Five covers over a year of Dredd stories and is truly massive, covering everything from organized crime rackets to violent camping trips. Everything from global thermonuclear war to trans-dimensional avatars of death! As others have mentioned, you can get a digital version for free!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 23 March, 2020, 08:02:31 AM
Great stuff (just starting listening) - working from home is much better when you can listen to podcasts!  (until work organises headsets to be sent out to us...)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 25 March, 2020, 02:22:55 PM
Thanks Conrad, that was a great listen and such a lot of great thrills.

However, going through it reminded me of why I do not think this is a good volume for new readers. It was frequenty mentioned in the podcast that there are a lot of call backs here to earlier things. CF5 is one of the best volumes but without the back story of previous volumes much of the seismic effect of what is happening here is lost. The killings of Uncle Ump, Judge Giant and Griffin would mean little to a new reader but were massive plot points for Conrad and Fox. I think a newer reader would also not feel the impact of the Apocolypse War as they would not have gotten to know much about the city before it is destroyed.

My prefferred recommendation for a starting point is Vol 3. This has no epics but introduces City Blocks, Judge Death, Umpty Candy, the long walk (Minty), Otto Sump and Vienna. It also shows us the Cursed Earth (Father Earth, the Black Plague), the Sov block (Battle Of The Black Atlantic), suspended animation (Forever Crimes), Walter and various Mega City fads. It is all action + black humour and no back story knowledge is required so I think CF3 is the ultimate Dredd starting volume.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 March, 2020, 10:19:31 PM
Its hard to argue with Whizzbang there.

Case File 1 - the early fumbles in the dark, two is two wonderful spalling epics BUT with Mega City One as we know it. Case Files 3 is the first with all the pieces in place. Dredd and his world is ready and almost before your eyes becomes fully realised. As you say 5 needs three to have full impact. Its a great read in and of itself of course but so much stronger for the full understand of the City you get in 3.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 March, 2020, 05:15:55 AM
That's an excellent point! I definitely see what you're saying, honestly I'm not sure where I'd start getting a new reader up to speed besides a Fox style "Here's prog 1, lets get slogging!" But as we'll see in episode 199, I might have to develop more streamlined techniques ;)

speaking of which...

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In our thrilling hundred and ninety-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 616-620 of 2000AD, covering March & April of 1989. This episode Dredd fights a little blue man, Johnny Alpha fights a Feral mutant, Judges Anderson and Corey fight for psychic justice, and Medivac 318 isn't fighting anyone, they're here to help! We're getting rowdy this episode!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 30 March, 2020, 08:18:13 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 March, 2020, 05:15:55 AM
That's an excellent point! I definitely see what you're saying, honestly I'm not sure where I'd start getting a new reader up to speed besides a Fox style "Here's prog 1, lets get slogging!" But as we'll see in episode 199, I might have to develop more streamlined techniques ;)

My guess is you have an alternate world version of Fox to start on the Judge Dredd Megazine (or was it Judge Dredd The Megazine back in the first Megs?)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 March, 2020, 10:14:15 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 30 March, 2020, 08:18:13 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 March, 2020, 05:15:55 AM
That's an excellent point! I definitely see what you're saying, honestly I'm not sure where I'd start getting a new reader up to speed besides a Fox style "Here's prog 1, lets get slogging!" But as we'll see in episode 199, I might have to develop more streamlined techniques ;)

My guess is you have an alternate world version of Fox to start on the Judge Dredd Megazine (or was it Judge Dredd The Megazine back in the first Megs?)

Indeed it's "Judge Dredd The Megazine" until issue 50 of volume 2 (so issue 70 overall)! And hopefully for our megazine coverage we'll be able to keep the space-time continuum intact. Now this WEDNESDAY on the other hand...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 31 March, 2020, 03:19:22 AM
Err, that wasn't Judge TIM Currie in prog 620, but former conservative government minister Edwina Currie - her career was derailed by the salmonella-in-eggs scandal, but she is now more famous for having revealed that she'd been secretly shagging PM John Major.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 31 March, 2020, 07:01:40 PM
I am really enjoying Hilary Robinson's work (having never seen it before) and Medivac 318 looks like another good one. Is there any story behind why she only stayed a year or two? Were her strips popular with readers at the time? This is uncharted territory for me with the exception of the stuff I have read in trades like the Çase Files.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 31 March, 2020, 07:54:23 PM
I'm with Fox Block when it comes to Feral (and it seems Conrad Block too!) - the idea that he might hate Alpha as a sellout could work, but it isnt explained as such. That said, I think if you dug back into other Stront tales there would be a number of times that Alpha's War Hero status gets brushed aside - but THAT said, it's glaring here because Feral is monologuing his internals, but not really touching on some of the key points that seem salient to the very situation they are in.   
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 March, 2020, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 31 March, 2020, 07:01:40 PM
I am really enjoying Hilary Robinson's work (having never seen it before) and Medivac 318 looks like another good one. Is there any story behind why she only stayed a year or two? Were her strips popular with readers at the time? This is uncharted territory for me with the exception of the stuff I have read in trades like the Çase Files.

I'm enjoying Robinson as well, her work has a light heartedness that I really enjoy (even Medivac has some fun spots among the darkness!)

My understanding is that her work was divisive at the time, and continues to be to this day. They're relatively non-violent (at least in comparison to the ramping up of violence we're seeing in the prog here in the late 80s) but the real nail in her coffin was that she retained the rights to Medivac 318 (and Zippy Couriers). When Editorial tried to take that story from her and have another writer work on it she asserted her rights and won, but that basically ended her relationship with 2000AD. It stayed pretty acrimonious since then, she got specifically called out and destroyed by Mek-Quake in the 25th anniversary issue (which looks pretty anti-2000AD history, I must say). But it seems things have been patched up a bit, she had a pretty friendly interview in the Megazine in 2014 (#346) where she seemed pretty sanguine about the whole situation.

Quote from: Leigh S on 31 March, 2020, 07:54:23 PM
I'm with Fox Block when it comes to Feral (and it seems Conrad Block too!) - the idea that he might hate Alpha as a sellout could work, but it isnt explained as such. That said, I think if you dug back into other Stront tales there would be a number of times that Alpha's War Hero status gets brushed aside - but THAT said, it's glaring here because Feral is monologuing his internals, but not really touching on some of the key points that seem salient to the very situation they are in.   

I think a lot of that can be blamed on Feral's youth and callow nature. He doesn't care about war stories from 20 years ago and all that, just like kids at the time might be tired of their dad's stories about The War. Plus while we know Johnny is a hero of the war, I think his public image might be tinged by his relation to Kreelman. Remember during the war he was accused of letting him escape during the assault on Upminster!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 31 March, 2020, 08:18:43 PM
Callow youth, for sure!

But even by this time, Alpha's parentage is still a secret - see the end of "Outlaw" where Kreelman is about to blab but the stronts gun him down before he can reveal it.

Even if you thought the Mutant Generals let them down (which is fair - they didnt win a great life for the Mutants, just  life, then pissed off) that should ahve been explicit in the text - it would have made Feral feel a bit more considered rather than just a whiney teen dude
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 April, 2020, 04:26:42 AM
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On this April Fool's Day Fox and Conrad have fallen through a time portal! They find themselves once again at the start of their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 1 to 5 of 2000AD, covering February and March of 1977. This episode we discuss the dawn of thrill power, and a bit about British comics in general and 2000AD in particular.

Please send us snacks in the past!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 01 April, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
This is wonderful - thank you Conrad and Fox for this unexpected treat.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 05 April, 2020, 11:29:23 AM
That was a really fun listen and made a very stressful day at work pass a little quicker. Thanks guys, and stay safe!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 April, 2020, 05:40:01 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 01 April, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
This is wonderful - thank you Conrad and Fox for this unexpected treat.
Quote from: Echidna on 05 April, 2020, 11:29:23 AM
That was a really fun listen and made a very stressful day at work pass a little quicker. Thanks guys, and stay safe!

Happy to be of service!

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It's Crime Time! Also it's the twenty-eighth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

The Stainless Steel Rat! I'm not sure how Tharg got the idea to adapt some short, fun, sci fi novels into comics, but it very much works! The Stainless Steel Rat is a story of crime and adventure in the far future, starring the smoothest criminal of them all, James Bolivar diGriz. He always has an answer to everything, at least until he gets drafted into the Special Corps and starts having to take down criminals instead of doing crimes himself (kinda, he does do plenty of crimes while taking out criminals). Add in a lovely wife and eventually teenaged sons, plus a dash of time travel and/or political intrigue and you've got a perfect stew of thrill power! I read the books when I was a kid, though I only have a slight memory of them. These days I can't think of reading without imagining diGriz as Ezquerra's James Coburn look-alike!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 April, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
So great to have it all in one place - thanks for taking the time to stitch the patchwork together!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 April, 2020, 04:20:34 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 07 April, 2020, 12:46:21 PM
So great to have it all in one place - thanks for taking the time to stitch the patchwork together!

Thanks! Despite not having a lot of new content the collection episodes are actually pretty time consuming to put together!

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In our thrilling hundred and ninety-ninth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1989 Judge Dredd Mega-Special. It's the second Judge Dredd Mega-Special, with all new stories by newer Dredd artists and a lot of background information about Dredd and his world.

This episode Conrad is joined by Eli, indie comic maker and future host of our Judge Dredd Megazine spin-off Big Meg One! Look for more info on Big Meg Meg over the coming months, and check out Eli's comics as Slim Stories on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/eli.beaird.art/) and on Webtoons.com (https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/dog-of-the-dead-/list?title_no=51848&page=1)!

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Also, we're only two weeks away from our 200th episode! If you'd like to send well-wishes we'll happily ready them on the show!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 13 April, 2020, 11:09:15 AM
Listening to it right now (having gotten 'up-to-date' on the archive podcasts from January 2018 now I've written my own blog posts from 1982).

Anyway - really looking forward to the prog and meg era of Space Spinner 2000 / Big Meg One podcasts!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 13 April, 2020, 12:36:23 PM
I'm going to guess Kev Walker was painting with Citadel paints!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 13 April, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
Good show - listening to you two talking about that Special was a lot more entertaining than reading it!

Looking forward to the spin-off: Eli seems like an inspired choice to talk about Kenny Who?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 14 April, 2020, 02:49:07 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 13 April, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
Looking forward to the spin-off: Eli seems like an inspired choice to talk about Kenny Who?
Yeah and America should give him a good understanding of Dredd as the 'hero'. Sadly his hardcore dredd-induction will be without much Ezquerra for ages, so he may never appreciate Carlos as Conrad and Fox do.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 14 April, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 14 April, 2020, 02:49:07 AM
Quote from: Andy B on 13 April, 2020, 08:29:03 PM
Looking forward to the spin-off: Eli seems like an inspired choice to talk about Kenny Who?
Yeah and America should give him a good understanding of Dredd as the 'hero'. Sadly his hardcore dredd-induction will be without much Ezquerra for ages, so he may never appreciate Carlos as Conrad and Fox do.

I'm wondering if it might be an idea for him to read Necropolis first, seeing as so much in the early Meg is immediately post-Nec.  Though how much sense does Necropolis make without having read the various strands that led up to it (including previous Judge Death and Oz storylines, with all that entails).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 14 April, 2020, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 14 April, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
I'm wondering if it might be an idea for him to read Necropolis first
No, sink or swim. (Hopefully swim)

I think one of John Wagner's strengths is that most of his stuff does not really require you to have read the previous stuff even though he may be bringing stuff back. John has a big input into the Megazine launch from what I remember, probably from Thrill Power Overload, so he would have been thinking about new readers a lot. I have only read the Megazine from about 2017 onwards so I haven't read them myself.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 April, 2020, 10:53:06 PM
First off, whoa, 100 pages! The little forum thread that could! Second:

Quote from: WhizzBang on 14 April, 2020, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 14 April, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
I'm wondering if it might be an idea for him to read Necropolis first
No, sink or swim. (Hopefully swim)

I think one of John Wagner's strengths is that most of his stuff does not really require you to have read the previous stuff even though he may be bringing stuff back. John has a big input into the Megazine launch from what I remember, probably from Thrill Power Overload, so he would have been thinking about new readers a lot. I have only read the Megazine from about 2017 onwards so I haven't read them myself.


My plan is to introduce some concepts and stories to Eli prior the actual so, right now I'm planning five or six "primer" episodes to better acquaint him with Dredd and his world for three reasons:
1) If I don't do it there I'll be explaining all this backstory to him on the actual show, so might as well let the actual creators to the storytelling
2) I think it could be a valuable resource for other folks trying to get into Judge Dredd
3) I'd really like to at least try to establish Judge Death as cool scary villain before he becomes Mrs. Gunderson's roommate in the Meg.

Hopefully this will also give Eli a chance to get to know some of the classical Dredd artists, as well as the fancy 90s guys we'll be seeing the Meg :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 April, 2020, 01:30:49 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 April, 2020, 10:53:06 PM
3) I'd really like to at least try to establish Judge Death as cool scary villain before he becomes Mrs. Gunderson's roommate in the Meg.
:D

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 April, 2020, 09:58:25 AM
Excellent!  "Mega City Primer"?

If I was going to do it, I'd do a very select run of important first/second/third year strips -

Podcast 1:  "Return of Rico", "The Academy of Law", "Mutie the Pig" - because Continuity!  Rico and Giant

"Oxygen Board" "Return to Mega-City"  "Punks Rules" - Classic Bolland and McMahon

"City Block" "Sob Story" - Ron SMith joins the party - both important strips too!

"Christmas Comes to Des O'Connor Block" "Umpty Candy" "Judge Minty"- Prime McMahon

"Judge Death" - Prime Bolland!


2: then do the colour strips from the 81 -83 annuals (If you want blow Eli's mind early withthat McMahon goodness and introduce him to Carlos on the strip!) 

3: Then case files 4  (run up to the Apocalypse War)  There are too many great stories in 4 to skip, plus Chopper!

4:  Case Files 5 - nuff said!

5: Then a sprinkling of post Apocalyspe Classics - to show how the strip is maturing: "Requiem for a Heavyweight", "Graveyard Shift", "Hunter's Club", "Sunday Night Fever", "Midnight Surfer",  ..

6: the Democracy stories including "Question of Judgement/Error/Case"

That would be my dream 6 podcasts!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 April, 2020, 10:27:31 AM
By Case Files 4, I do mean skip the Judge Child, though only for timings sake!  The "Black War" epilogue tells you all you need to know (well, a bit of it!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 April, 2020, 11:11:28 AM
Doh... I keep forgetting that the Meg launched after Necropolis, so that makes for a 7th.... EPIC FAIL!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 April, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
I think this was discussed - somewhere... - a wee while ago and Case Files 3 seems a really good, single place to send someone for a really nice overview of tha foundations of the city at least?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 April, 2020, 12:43:42 PM
Considering the early line-up in the Megazine, Oz and Necropolis are the necessaries - though throw in Unamerican Graffiti and Midnight Surfer for Shakespeare background, and Judge Death, Death Lives and whatever we're calling the Judge Anderson story.  Plus a smattering of the Democracy storyline to explain why Dredd left the Meg in the first place.  And Kenny Who?'s first appearance to prepare for Beyond Our Ken (shouldn't that be Beyond Oor Ken?)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 April, 2020, 09:14:52 PM
Well lockdown seemd to have seriously curtailed my podcast listening - its the lack of journey's to work that's doing it - but taken to doing that most ungodly of things, listening to podcasts while running, something I've always tried to avoid as I like whats around me when I'm running. Anyway long story short... or already whittered about finally caught up with Epsiode 199 and have to say Eli seems a fantastic choice. The fact that he's so focused on the art side of things suggests the ... Meg version of Space Spinner - do we have a name for it yet - will have its own style that will make it stand apart, which is a good thing in my book.

Anyway whittering done very much looking forward to episode 200 and here's to the new, two stringed version of Space Spinner.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Fungus on 20 April, 2020, 12:51:59 AM
Hugely looking forward to the 'Meg Spinner' podcast...

I'll be reading along this time, quite when my Meg reading gave up the ghost I can't know and the planned [re-]read might as well be now. And 1.1 was the intended starting point.

Eli's art-based comments were refreshing. I'm usually concerned with art over story and concede that this feels like a minority position. Belardinelli or Ron Smith could illustrate the phone book (remember those?), and I'm happy. What Space Spinner can often do is cover the plot and enjoy the action, humour, etc. Art can get mentioned, but it usually isn't, beyond a name-check. When it's Strontium Dog, I'm picturing scratchy Ezquerra art, before I think 'story', that's just the way it is...

And as I like to contradict myself cover all angles, art discussions are tricky. For one, the SS guys hate a text story, and this is only right. Top artists get mentioned and even awards so kudos for that. What Eli's comments made clear is that more than ever, reading along is going to make the difference. Knowing MacNeil, Phillips, etc. styles gets you so far, reading along feels the right thing this time round.

BTW: running and podcasts doesn't really work - agreed!

Cheers on the best podcast(s) out there 👍
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 April, 2020, 04:43:33 AM
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It's Crime Time AGAIN! Also it's the twenty-ninth in our series of Space Spinner 2000 collections! These collections have all of our coverage for a specific character or storyline, all in one place. They're a great accompaniment to reading collected versions of 2000AD, or to just hear your favorite thrill all in one place.

Stop the World, I wanna get on! Harry 20 comes right at the dawn of what we here at Space Spinner chart as the golden age of 2000, roughly from 1982 to 1986. It's a story of a man unjustly sent to space prison, the people he meets there, and his attempts to escape. It's a decent sized tale at 21 progs, but is often one Fox and I refer to as an example of a great one-off thrill. Something that shows up, has a story to tell, and then leaves, without trying to become a regular feature or set up a sequel or anything like that. Some of that might be due to the famously difficult time the notorious GFD had with 2000AD editors, but I always have a place in my heart for this kind of thing. Plus to my mind it has one of the greatest twists in 2000AD history, and I say this as the podcast enters 1989 and 90, which are a very twisty era for 2000AD indeed!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 April, 2020, 04:53:32 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 April, 2020, 09:14:52 PM
Anyway long story short... or already whittered about finally caught up with Epsiode 199 and have to say Eli seems a fantastic choice. The fact that he's so focused on the art side of things suggests the ... Meg version of Space Spinner - do we have a name for it yet - will have its own style that will make it stand apart, which is a good thing in my book.


The show will be called Big Meg 1 (http://bigmeg1.com)! The Url just directs to Space Spinner now, but that will change!

Quote from: Leigh S on 17 April, 2020, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 17 April, 2020, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 April, 2020, 12:43:42 PM

Excellent suggestions all, and definitely includes a lot of what I'll be using! As Sheridan mentions it is mostly a focus on prepping for the Meg, so Chopper and Kenny Who are definitely necesities!

Quote from: Fungus on 20 April, 2020, 12:51:59 AM
Hugely looking forward to the 'Meg Spinner' podcast...

I'll be reading along this time, quite when my Meg reading gave up the ghost I can't know and the planned [re-]read might as well be now. And 1.1 was the intended starting point.

Eli's art-based comments were refreshing. I'm usually concerned with art over story and concede that this feels like a minority position. Belardinelli or Ron Smith could illustrate the phone book (remember those?), and I'm happy. What Space Spinner can often do is cover the plot and enjoy the action, humour, etc. Art can get mentioned, but it usually isn't, beyond a name-check. When it's Strontium Dog, I'm picturing scratchy Ezquerra art, before I think 'story', that's just the way it is...

And as I like to contradict myself cover all angles, art discussions are tricky. For one, the SS guys hate a text story, and this is only right. Top artists get mentioned and even awards so kudos for that. What Eli's comments made clear is that more than ever, reading along is going to make the difference. Knowing MacNeil, Phillips, etc. styles gets you so far, reading along feels the right thing this time round.

BTW: running and podcasts doesn't really work - agreed!

Cheers on the best podcast(s) out there 👍

Indeed, this is part of why I asked Eli to be on the show! Not describing the art well enough (either because of wanting to or not being able to) is something I've always felt was a weakness of our show, so I'm happy to try to correct it. I'm glad everyone is so excited for Big Meg, I think it'll be a lot of fun!

Also, if you want well wishes read on our episode 200 please leave them here :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 April, 2020, 08:37:57 PM
Canonical, indeed!

It was a great way to start the week - best thing about our current working from home is that I can listen to about an hour of podcasts before the conference and phone calls start and I have to be careful about what can be heard!  Airhorns might be difficult to explain :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 April, 2020, 08:42:49 PM
As for episode 200 - it's so energising listening to a fresh take on the old progs.  Particularly as you're entering the era where I wouldn't have re-read them quite so often (if at all - adult life and all).  The enthusiasm and humour that you and Fox bring always cheer up a sometimes dreary day!

Also - on a more personal note, your archive of podcasts is a great goal for my own prog slog - I know that every four or five progs I'll have a new-old Space Spinner to listen to!  (I listen to them after doing my own blog, so as not to influence what I write too much)*.  This is vitally important when it comes to certain annuals and specials ;)

* though the Harry 20 collection will be fairly fresh when I get to it, in about a month or two *shrug*
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 20 April, 2020, 10:46:35 PM
Congratulations on reaching the 200 mark! Do you remember the days when Conrad would announce you were on episode 43 or something and Fox would groan at how high the number was?  It's great that you have both stuck with it and we get to follow the highs and lows with you as you plough on forwards.
A special thanks to Conrad for the work and energy he puts into keeping the show going.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 21 April, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Bring on episode 200 and more power to your podcasting elbows.
Space Spinner 2000. The best thing to happen to thrill-power since the Mighty One himself!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 April, 2020, 03:25:53 PM
Episode 200 - I DEMAND MORE. MORE MORE!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 April, 2020, 05:37:54 AM
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In our thrilling TWO HUNDREDTH episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 621-624 of 2000AD, covering April of 1989. This episode Dredd is heading down south for justice, Anderson is in a psychic showdown, Medivac 318 comes down hard, and Rogue Trooper gets held up on his way to Cinnabar!

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And thanks so much to everyone on the forum for their support! Here's to many more episodes! Also if you're interested in looking at the breakdown of our top and bottom thrills you can find them here! (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gd_bs0Fxd0uXNXAPDULGuHkYGqlOJXcKdyUaTZ9GCPc/edit?usp=sharing)

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 29 April, 2020, 06:22:11 AM
Great work guys, and only right that Dredd and SD are the top thrills. Ant Wars is in Fox's bottom thrills chart but didn't he doa Mega City Book Club podcast on this? The highs must have outweighed the lows in the long run for him.

I know you were only joking but I can confirm that Danish is a language since I have been learning it for the last year. It is pretty hard aurally but not so bad to read.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 12:04:32 AM
The lure of stats is too strong... I am working my way through the episodes to weight your dislikes by appearance!  Just realised that DR and Quinch never got a top slot - heresy!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 10:20:06 AM
Numbers Crunched!

If we look at appearances vs how many times a strip gets the top spot from Conrad and Fox, then deduct any bottom placings calculated using the same measure, a Thrill Percentage can be achieved.  The following strips rise to the top (excluding any that only appeared in 5 or less shows, arbitrarily!)

1: Halo Jones              70%
2: Skizz                      64%
3: ABC Warriors            58%
4: Harry 20                  42%
5: Strontium Dog          26%
6: Judge Dredd             23%
7: Anderson                 22%
8: Nemesis                  19%
9: Stainless Steel Rat    18%
10: Invasion                 14%
10: Zenith                    14%


Bottom Thrills by this measure:


1: The Mind of Wolfie Smith      -78%
2: Mean Arena                       -43%
3: Blackhawk                         -28%
3: Mean Team                       -28%
5: Rogue Trooper                   -27%
6: Ace Trucking                     -23%
7: Dan Dare                          -21%
8: Inferno                             -19%
9: Future Shocks                   -17%
10: MACH 1                           -17%
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 30 April, 2020, 10:24:06 AM
Must keep telling myself - 'bottom thrill' does not mean it's bad, just that everything else is better...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 April, 2020, 10:28:11 AM
Wow thats fantastic Leigh S - but poor old Wolfie Smith it wasn't that bad and I actively liked chunks of it - but he's such an outlier!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 10:32:32 AM
I remember at the time poor Wolfie getting a kicking week on week from Space Spinner.. to be fair I suspect if I read it again now, all Fox and Conrad's criiticisms  of Wolfie using his powers to be a dick would ring very true!

Harry 20 is also an unusual one to see so high, but I get that too - Schlock of the finest order!

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 April, 2020, 10:28:11 AM
Wow thats fantastic Leigh S - but poor old Wolfie Smith it wasn't that bad and I actively liked chunks of it - but he's such an outlier!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 30 April, 2020, 11:59:01 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 10:32:32 AM
I remember at the time poor Wolfie getting a kicking week on week from Space Spinner.. to be fair I suspect if I read it again now, all Fox and Conrad's criiticisms  of Wolfie using his powers to be a dick would ring very true!

To be fair though teenages can largely be dicks! I speak form lived experience.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 30 April, 2020, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 April, 2020, 11:59:01 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 10:32:32 AM
I remember at the time poor Wolfie getting a kicking week on week from Space Spinner.. to be fair I suspect if I read it again now, all Fox and Conrad's criiticisms  of Wolfie using his powers to be a dick would ring very true!

To be fair though teenages can largely be dicks! I speak form lived experience.

For every Ardeni Lakam there's an Ernest Patrick Smith...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 12:34:29 PM
[If you arbitarily move the number of episodes to a minimum of 10, the lists look like this:

1: Halo Jones              70%
2: ABC Warriors            58%
3: Strontium Dog          26%
4: Judge Dredd             23%
5: Anderson                 22%
6: Nemesis                  19%
7: Stainless Steel Rat    18%
8: Invasion                 14%
8: Zenith                    14%
10: Slaine                   10%

Bottom Thrills by this measure:


1: Mean Arena                       -43%
2: Rogue Trooper                   -27%
3: Ace Trucking                     -23%
4: Dan Dare                          -21%
5: Future Shocks                   -17%
6: MACH 1                           -17%
7: Robo-Hunter                     -16%
8: Tharg                              -14%
9: Meltdown Man                   -8%
9: Bad Company                    -8%

There are coincidentally only 21 stories to appear in 10 more episodes, with Sooner or Later the only one not appearing on either list (due to not being picked either way - including Swifty's Return in the episode count)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
Fox's list look of positive thirlls looks like this:

1: Halo Jones              70%
2: ABC Warriors            58%
3: Stainless Steel Rat    36%
4: Strontium Dog          28%
5: Anderson                 19%
6: Nemesis                  18%
7: Zenith                    18%
8: Judge Dredd             14%
9: Slaine                   13%
10: Invasion                 9%
11: Meltdown Man         8%

Fox's Negative Thrills by this measure:


1: Mean Arena                       -35%
2: Rogue Trooper                   -28%
3: Future Shocks                   -23%
4: MACH 1                           -20%
5: Ace Trucking                     -17%
6: Robo-Hunter                      -15%
7: Dan Dare                          -15%
8: Tharg                              -14%
9: Bad Company                    -8%
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 30 April, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
Fox's list looks grear although it is sad to see Robo Hunter in the list of -ve thrills.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 04:06:44 PM
Conrad's list look of positive thirlls looks like this:

1: Halo Jones              70%
2: ABC Warriors            58%
3: Judge Dredd             33%
4: Anderson                 25%
5: Strontium Dog          24%
6: Nemesis                  20%
7: Invasion                 18%
8: Zenith                    9%
9: Slaine                     7%


Stainless Steel Rat  gets kicked from the lists by scoring 0%!

Conrad's Negative Thrills by this measure:


1: Mean Arena                       -52%
2: Ace Trucking                     -29%
3: Dan Dare                          -27%
4: Rogue Trooper                   -26%
5: Meltdown Man                 -25%
6: Robo-Hunter                      -18%
7: Tharg                              -14%
8: MACH 1                           -13%
9: Future Shocks                   -12%
10: Bad Company                    -8%
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 04:10:14 PM
It's  an imprecise measure as it can never take into account the competition! Robo-Hunter was almost always running against very strong strips.   And if you look at some Negative Thrills like Rogue and Ace Trucking,  if they had bowed out with their original runs, they would probably be safely positive.

Quote from: WhizzBang on 30 April, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
Fox's list looks grear although it is sad to see Robo Hunter in the list of -ve thrills.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 04:14:48 PM
Anyway, Sorry, Conrad for bowdlerising your Data! Happy to keep this up to date for you
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 04:17:18 PM
Mean Arena really suffers from this I feel - odd man out in a run of stone cold classics

Quote from: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 04:10:14 PM
It's  an imprecise measure as it can never take into account the competition! Robo-Hunter was almost always running against very strong strips. 
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 April, 2020, 05:14:18 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 30 April, 2020, 04:14:48 PM
Anyway, Sorry, Conrad for bowdlerising your Data! Happy to keep this up to date for you
Fine with me! Simple charts are about the limit of my stat ability, to the despair of my teachers. This is excellent stuff!

Robo-Hunter's rating got absolutely murdered by both "Play it again, Sam" and "The Slaying of Slade." By that point it had become the second regular comedy strip in the prog, with Ace Trucking being far shinier and with more places to go.

Quote from: sheridan on 30 April, 2020, 10:24:06 AM
Must keep telling myself - 'bottom thrill' does not mean it's bad, just that everything else is better...
I can't stress enough that listening back there are literally years of the show where we're quick to say that a bottom thrill is an A- in a field of A+ thrills, or something like that. That's part of why it changed from "Best and Worst" to "Top and Bottom." It means sometimes we have to make hard choices, and other times we make the easy choice of going after a whipping boy! Honestly having the hard choice of what to put bottom is what I was hoping we'd have when I suggested the format. If I had my full druthers we'd rank everything in order, like the actual comment card, but then the wrap up part of the show would take like 30 minutes!

Quote from: WhizzBang on 29 April, 2020, 06:22:11 AM
Great work guys, and only right that Dredd and SD are the top thrills. Ant Wars is in Fox's bottom thrills chart but didn't he doa Mega City Book Club podcast on this? The highs must have outweighed the lows in the long run for him.

I know you were only joking but I can confirm that Danish is a language since I have been learning it for the last year. It is pretty hard aurally but not so bad to read.

I think both this and my not having Meltdown Man as a top are important points about the format. Top and Bottom choices are very much in the moment. I come to an episode with a pretty complete script, but I never write out my top and bottom choices, I let the mood take me during the show! Just because something can be top in the moment is no accounting for what sticks with you in the long term, and a thrill not getting the top spot is in no way an indication that it's bad or should be forgotten!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 30 April, 2020, 10:25:49 PM
Now look what you did, you gave locked down nerds statistics to play with!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 30 April, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
There's some oddities in there: Harry 20 placing above Zenith?

I get what others have said: Halo Jones has the benefit of having left everyone wanting more, whereas Ace Trucking (despite the creators best efforts to shut it down) stayed on the shelf long past its sell-by date.

Nice pie charts, though.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 May, 2020, 02:33:03 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 30 April, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
There's some oddities in there: Harry 20 placing above Zenith?

I get what others have said: Halo Jones has the benefit of having left everyone wanting more, whereas Ace Trucking (despite the creators best efforts to shut it down) stayed on the shelf long past its sell-by date.

Nice pie charts, though.
There's no accounting for taste certainly, and I'll mention that Fox gave DR & Quinch Go to Hollywood both Best Writing and Best Thrill that year (Alan Moore was also in my Best Writer). As always, I can't stress enough our opinions should be taken for entertainment purposes only!

And yeah, Ace Trucking is deeply hurt by the fact that it was a constant in 1986 and not very great.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 May, 2020, 09:18:33 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 May, 2020, 02:33:03 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 30 April, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
There's some oddities in there: Harry 20 placing above Zenith?

I get what others have said: Halo Jones has the benefit of having left everyone wanting more, whereas Ace Trucking (despite the creators best efforts to shut it down) stayed on the shelf long past its sell-by date.

Nice pie charts, though.
There's no accounting for taste certainly, and I'll mention that Fox gave DR & Quinch Go to Hollywood both Best Writing and Best Thrill that year (Alan Moore was also in my Best Writer). As always, I can't stress enough our opinions should be taken for entertainment purposes only!

No, dammit!  This is the internet and everything must be taken seriously at all times!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 May, 2020, 04:42:40 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 30 April, 2020, 10:25:49 PM
Now look what you did, you gave locked down nerds statistics to play with!

The worst part of it is - I'm a key worker so don't even have lockdown as an excuse!

As others hve said, approach drawing any conclusions with caution - One  thing I think perhaps it does show is how week on week anthology format taking week on week based more purely on "the feels" shows that every strip has it's place and also how strong the prog was durng this time, with some brilliant classics failing to dent the positive ratings because there was just so much good to choose from!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 May, 2020, 04:45:57 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 625-628 of 2000AD, covering May of 1989. This episode we remain in filler country even as two huge stories begin, Zenith Phase Three and Sláine the Horned God! I hope you like episodes where Conrad and Fox are all over each other!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 May, 2020, 09:21:22 AM
Decisions - May the Fourth and I was going to listen to the Star Wars Radio Drama (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_(radio_series)) but just after Biggs arrived in Anchorhead I got the update that the Horned God was starting in Space Spinner!





(Space Spinner first, then back to Star Wars).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 May, 2020, 12:31:41 PM
For the record, first time I read Zenith Phase III I had no idea that all/most of the superhumans were parodies.  I knew Archie already from the text feature in the 1985 annual about pre-2000AD comics, and I recognised one or two of the parallel characters, but the extent of it...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 May, 2020, 12:13:41 AM
it also amuses that recent mcbc subject johnny future keeps showing up just to moan about how shite all this is  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 May, 2020, 05:00:52 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 629-632 of 2000AD, covering June of 1989. This episode Dredd has a near death experience, Sláine meets the goddess, Zenith meets the heroes, Rogue has some rough times, We head out to say hi in Beyond Zero, and PJ Maybe begins his confessions! This is another episode where Conrad and Fox are all over each other, don't worry we've worked it all out!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 11 May, 2020, 01:06:53 PM
"Feels like there's sub-text there, my man."
"Feels like it's text, buddy."
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 11 May, 2020, 03:56:41 PM
Half-listened to it while working, but that shock bottom thrill means I'm going to have to re-listen and pay proper attention this time!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 11 May, 2020, 04:17:04 PM
Why not use it on Liana?  Why, if he wanted a programmable girlfriend, he'd just get a robot, right?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 11 May, 2020, 04:44:42 PM
By the way "Bob's Full House" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob%27s_Full_House) is a reference to a TV quiz vehicle for former comic artist, comedian and TV presenter Bob Monkhouse.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 11 May, 2020, 08:08:28 PM
So many letters asking for Mix, Bradley, Feral and other things that have just barged into the comic to "Get this party started" that I can only conclude Tharg is gaslighting long standing readers....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 11 May, 2020, 08:40:28 PM
Also strong agree with Conrad on that Grant/Kitson Dredd - i strongly remember it as the first "in prog" tale that just felt all kinds of wrong - OK, so I was neck deep in Judge Dredd RPGing round about this time, but you don't need to be a Games Master to just feel that both the vindictive punch in the teeth and the execution were both way out of line - I talked a bit about that on the 88 Winter Special episode and this is the most egregious example of Grant "not getting" Dredd, despite co-authoring the very best Dredds... go figure! And it was only last time we had the outstanding "John Cassavettes is Dead" just to add to my bewilderment
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 May, 2020, 05:36:33 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 11 May, 2020, 08:08:28 PM
So many letters asking for Mix, Bradley, Feral and other things that have just barged into the comic to "Get this party started" that I can only conclude Tharg is gaslighting long standing readers....

This is the sort of thing that made me really self-conscious about not liking Bradley when we got to him. Based on letters and art that got published I assumed he was a fan favorite!

Quote from: Leigh S on 11 May, 2020, 08:40:28 PM
Also strong agree with Conrad on that Grant/Kitson Dredd - i strongly remember it as the first "in prog" tale that just felt all kinds of wrong - OK, so I was neck deep in Judge Dredd RPGing round about this time, but you don't need to be a Games Master to just feel that both the vindictive punch in the teeth and the execution were both way out of line - I talked a bit about that on the 88 Winter Special episode and this is the most egregious example of Grant "not getting" Dredd, despite co-authoring the very best Dredds... go figure! And it was only last time we had the outstanding "John Cassavettes is Dead" just to add to my bewilderment

Yeah, it seems like such an example of what people who don't know the character get wrong about Dredd imo.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 14 May, 2020, 01:31:59 PM
I did send an email in appreciation of Bradley but I'm guessing you never got it - no point now, it was meant to tie-in with the Christmas episode when he has the toboggan race, which I maintain is a proper good piece of comics. But I tired of him during the 'being mean about people's music taste' years.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 May, 2020, 09:37:04 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 14 May, 2020, 01:31:59 PM
I did send an email in appreciation of Bradley but I'm guessing you never got it - no point now, it was meant to tie-in with the Christmas episode when he has the toboggan race, which I maintain is a proper good piece of comics. But I tired of him during the 'being mean about people's music taste' years.

Hey, I responded to that email at the time! I'm not saying NOBODY liked Bradley, more that until I started talking to people I assumed everyone loved him! To each their own!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 May, 2020, 04:19:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/PymgRAq.png)

In our thrilling two hundred and third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 633-636 of 2000AD, covering June and July of 1989. This episode we've got a changing of the guard, as Sláine and Zenith begin their quests, Anderson meets a Triad, Beyond Zero goes to the mall, Medivac 318 gets psychic, and Strontium Dog returns!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 May, 2020, 12:05:39 AM
Glad that Fox's reservations regarding the Horned God only lasted through the preachy bit.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 May, 2020, 07:15:02 AM
Luckily there won't be any more of those!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 22 May, 2020, 10:42:28 PM
P.J. Maybe's dyslexic, is why his spelling's poor.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 May, 2020, 05:28:10 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 637-640 of 2000AD, covering July & August of 1989. This episode we're dealing with the whole animal kingdom from ants and spiders to alien bugs, from man-brained panthers to Block-Ness monsters, from shettledogs to whatever the heck Feral is! Also Conrad thinks this episode is coming out a week later than it is! Freak out!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 25 May, 2020, 10:37:25 AM
I err think Fox got the uk female pop group bananarama confused with the utterly terrifying banana splits
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 25 May, 2020, 01:37:33 PM
Slow down guys!! I'm massively behind - only on 188. Too many podcasts - aaarggh!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 25 May, 2020, 05:02:35 PM
Zoned out for a moment there but is it explained how Maeve manages to make Ireland her local patch when mutant bounty hunters need permits to go to Earth?  Or does she just nab them whenever they come up? (continuity geek alert!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 May, 2020, 07:05:26 PM
It's 100% not explained. Nor is this mutant settlement she helps (or the fisherman in the Cockles & Muscles storyline). Honestly if I'm stretching my comic explainer legs I'd be more likely to suggest that these Hilary Robinson Tales of the Doghouse might all take place on an Ireland planet instead of Ireland himself. Sort of like that Scotland planet we saw at the start of the Outlaw story in Strontium Dog prime.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 25 May, 2020, 07:34:54 PM
Yeah, the idea there are cosy Mutant communities in Britain where tehy are fishermen or farmers doesn't fit at all with the established continuity - at best I view the bulk of TFTDH as shaggy dog tales.


Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 May, 2020, 07:05:26 PM
It's 100% not explained. Nor is this mutant settlement she helps (or the fisherman in the Cockles & Muscles storyline). Honestly if I'm stretching my comic explainer legs I'd be more likely to suggest that these Hilary Robinson Tales of the Doghouse might all take place on an Ireland planet instead of Ireland himself. Sort of like that Scotland planet we saw at the start of the Outlaw story in Strontium Dog prime.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 25 May, 2020, 09:55:37 PM
I like the Planet Ireland continuity-hole explanation best - there's prior art, after all.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 June, 2020, 04:13:27 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 641-644 of 2000AD, covering August and September of 1989. This episode Judge Anderson and Judge Dredd deal with old enemies, it's a psychic duel in Moon Runners, the Survivor is on the run, and Fervent & Love return to confuse us all!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 June, 2020, 09:34:57 AM
Just started listening now - you've (so far) missed out on the opportunity to announce a disclaimer: "Space Spinner 2000 does not condone carrying out the final solution"! ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 June, 2020, 11:01:24 AM
Simon Harrison Durham Red / Johnny Alpha pin-up on the 2000ad tumblr (https://2000adonline.tumblr.com/post/48479352598/one-off-pin-up-from-simon-harrison-featuring).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 June, 2020, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 June, 2020, 11:01:24 AM
Simon Harrison Durham Red / Johnny Alpha pin-up on the 2000ad tumblr (https://2000adonline.tumblr.com/post/48479352598/one-off-pin-up-from-simon-harrison-featuring).

still not a fan of this image! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 01 June, 2020, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 25 May, 2020, 07:34:54 PM
Yeah, the idea there are cosy Mutant communities in Britain where tehy are fishermen or farmers doesn't fit at all with the established continuity - at best I view the bulk of TFTDH as shaggy dog tales.


Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 May, 2020, 07:05:26 PM
It's 100% not explained. Nor is this mutant settlement she helps (or the fisherman in the Cockles & Muscles storyline). Honestly if I'm stretching my comic explainer legs I'd be more likely to suggest that these Hilary Robinson Tales of the Doghouse might all take place on an Ireland planet instead of Ireland himself. Sort of like that Scotland planet we saw at the start of the Outlaw story in Strontium Dog prime.

Maybe it's more like it is today, where the United Kingdom is a dystopian nightmare and Eire is a picturesque bastion of sanity.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 June, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
Weirdly I find that image to be Harrison's most successful attempt at the character (the lessi said about Red, possibly the better, though you can hardly say he isnt following Carlos's lead there either).  Alpha actually has a face there for a start, and one that is a pretty decent match for how he has been established to look.

Sidney Falco is Alan McKenzie being as cool as Tony Curtis, naturally..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Smell_of_Success (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Smell_of_Success)


Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 June, 2020, 04:44:25 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 June, 2020, 11:01:24 AM
Simon Harrison Durham Red / Johnny Alpha pin-up on the 2000ad tumblr (https://2000adonline.tumblr.com/post/48479352598/one-off-pin-up-from-simon-harrison-featuring).

still not a fan of this image! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 June, 2020, 09:50:38 PM
Joganov - that's one for the 'things you never realised thread' :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 June, 2020, 10:49:24 PM
We so need a new Henry Moon psychic panther comic strip.  And the previous appearances of the character have both been from different creative teams so hopefully there won't be any legacy issues...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 June, 2020, 12:11:55 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 June, 2020, 10:49:24 PM
We so need a new Henry Moon psychic panther comic strip.  And the previous appearances of the character have both been from different creative teams so hopefully there won't be any legacy issues...

All the abandoned space-based 2000AD heroes should team up imo. Henry Moon, Harry 20, Dan Dare, the Visible Man, Lorna Varn, maybe some Colony Earth dudes! All those guys!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 June, 2020, 11:05:19 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 June, 2020, 12:11:55 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 June, 2020, 10:49:24 PM
We so need a new Henry Moon psychic panther comic strip.  And the previous appearances of the character have both been from different creative teams so hopefully there won't be any legacy issues...

All the abandoned space-based 2000AD heroes should team up imo. Henry Moon, Harry 20, Dan Dare, the Visible Man, Lorna Varn, maybe some Colony Earth dudes! All those guys!

Fox - if you're seeing this then stop reading now!

Henry Moon can go to that jungle planet that [spoiler]the High Rock landed on[/spoiler].
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 June, 2020, 05:08:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sRGLKs3.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and sixth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1990 2000AD Annual.  This is the thirteenth 2000AD Annual, and this time we're under massive thrill sucker attack, while enjoying some new stories featuring Judges Dredd and Anderson, Mandala, and the final Moon Runners adventure!

The Mega City Book Club's own Eamonn Clarke joins me for this one, of course you can find him elsewhere on this forum! (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=43340)

Direct Download (http://ow.ly/fQX450zV9kx)
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Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 June, 2020, 10:26:10 AM
*psst* the direct download link goes to last week's episode!

Here's Eamonn's annual (http://spacespinner2000.com/2020/06/07/space-spinner-2000-ep-206/)!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 June, 2020, 10:51:20 AM
Mixing up Nemesis and Torquemada quotes?  What does that say about the dividing line between them ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 June, 2020, 11:09:00 AM
"last  ever Moonrunners story" *take a look at the 2000AD Annual 1991*
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 June, 2020, 03:12:02 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 08 June, 2020, 11:09:00 AM
"last  ever Moonrunners story" *take a look at the 2000AD Annual 1991*

Oh noooooooo

Also here's the correct link to Monday's episode!
http://ow.ly/wk8Y50A1iZR
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 June, 2020, 07:15:07 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/KYAKNDF.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and seventh episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1990 Judge Dredd Annual.  This is the tenth Dredd Annual, and features new stories from relative new comers like Arthur Ranson, and some classic Ron Smith stories and Ian Gibson's Daily Dredds.

This episode Conrad is joined by Sheridan of the Back Prog Hack Blog, which can also be found elsewhere on this forum! (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=42158)

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Google (https://play.google.com/music/listen?u=0#/ps/Iyrcaybmzmrupjzvsk7rbme5ymy)
Stitcher (https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/stranger-by-the-dozen/space-spinner-2000)
Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ih1CZpbdDGnb0aJthCind?si=XS_rRSmnRRKfjliu5lXGtQ)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 June, 2020, 10:12:41 AM
As serendipity has it, my slog has gotten to the first prog I ever read (as mentioned in the podcast) but I've had to revise my origin story!  More when my blog post goes live at noon!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 June, 2020, 02:22:54 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 12 June, 2020, 10:12:41 AM
As serendipity has it, my slog has gotten to the first prog I ever read (as mentioned in the podcast) but I've had to revise my origin story!  More when my blog post goes live at noon!

Why must you turn my podcast into a podcast of LIES?

:D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 13 June, 2020, 06:56:34 PM
Something else I realise is I should do my research before we record (or get a quieter keyboard) :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 June, 2020, 05:13:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/HHLBl99.jpg)

This episode is 12 hours early! I apologize for nothing!

In our thrilling two hundred and eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 645-649 of 2000AD, covering September and October of 1989. This episode we continue clearing the decks ahead of the big relaunch next episode all thrills must end! Whether you want them too or not! This episode's a five-proger, so we can catch the jumping-on prog next episode.

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 15 June, 2020, 01:22:57 AM
Billy Connolly some random dude? oh man thats the hottest hot take you've ever done in all this time on space spinner  :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 June, 2020, 07:03:11 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 15 June, 2020, 01:22:57 AM
Billy Connolly some random dude? oh man thats the hottest hot take you've ever done in all this time on space spinner  :lol:

Based on corrections I've received I believe it's actually either:
1. The location of Mount Rushmore in Dredd's time
2. The pronunciation of Niamh
3. The nut that conkers is played with
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 17 June, 2020, 08:18:46 PM
I'm surprised that a geek of Conrad's caliber didn't recognize Billy Connolly as the paedophile priest from the extremely dull second X-Files movie.

Definitely not obvious from that that he's one of the funniest guys alive!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 17 June, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
I forgot about that! talk about a weird casting decision lets make one of the funniest stand up commedians in scotland into a paedo priest!

Hes also il duce in the boondock saints as well
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 18 June, 2020, 10:12:38 PM
650-654 is coming up next and it was really good. Does 650 ever get mentioned when people try to discuss the best prog ever? I am looking forward to the coming weeks and I suspect that in real life Conrad and Fox have already hit the big reveal of this period. Conrad has by now read more 2000ad than I have..
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 June, 2020, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 18 June, 2020, 10:12:38 PM
650-654 is coming up next and it was really good. Does 650 ever get mentioned when people try to discuss the best prog ever? I am looking forward to the coming weeks and I suspect that in real life Conrad and Fox have already hit the big reveal of this period. Conrad has by now read more 2000ad than I have..

I agree it does look like a good prog (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=650), but it's still not 335 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=335) :)

I did just double-check to make sure there was no lurking dud Future-Shock in there, but every one of the stories running in 335 was a classic.  And we got a Ron Smith poster no top of it!  This has made me really excited for my own prog slog, as I'll be there within a month!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 June, 2020, 02:20:53 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 18 June, 2020, 11:37:21 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 18 June, 2020, 10:12:38 PM
650-654 is coming up next and it was really good. Does 650 ever get mentioned when people try to discuss the best prog ever? I am looking forward to the coming weeks and I suspect that in real life Conrad and Fox have already hit the big reveal of this period. Conrad has by now read more 2000ad than I have..

I agree it does look like a good prog (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=650), but it's still not 335 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=335) :)

I did just double-check to make sure there was no lurking dud Future-Shock in there, but every one of the stories running in 335 was a classic.  And we got a Ron Smith poster no top of it!  This has made me really excited for my own prog slog, as I'll be there within a month!

This period, from 650 to the end of 1989, is incredibly strong and tightly packed, both for our episodes and for the prog itself. Dredd, Slaine, and War Machine/Chopper in color and Zenith and Dead Man in black & white, no future shocks or other distractions, it's amazing! It's also some of my favorite episodes we've recorded as well. 209 will be a new listener episode, and both 210 and 212 are very special episodes to me! My understanding is that 650 was also a big commercial success, and is the real proof of concept of having a regular "jumping on prog"

I've always said that I've read the first 1000 progs, and then from prog 1950 onwards (in theory, I'm way behind on my modern reading). We have indeed gotten to the first of three big reveals in 1990, I got Fox's immediate reaction to it on tape, so look forward to that in a few episodes' time!

Also I'll tease here that I've got a big idea brewing for the end of next month, so start getting excited for that!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 19 June, 2020, 03:26:22 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 June, 2020, 02:20:53 AM
We have indeed gotten to the first of three big reveals in 1990, I got Fox's immediate reaction to it on tape, so look forward to that in a few episodes' time!
I have been looking forward to this for a while so I am glad seem excited about it too - can't wait!

Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 June, 2020, 02:20:53 AM
Also I'll tease here that I've got a big idea brewing for the end of next month, so start getting excited for that!

Hmm, the ideas we already know about are:
- Megazine coverage
- Star Lord ("Remission"? Star Lord was supposed to be on a mission to prepare earth for something or other
- Diceman ("Replay"?)

There is not much point in doing The Best of 2000AD collections since your own collections already kind of do that. My guess is it is the Daily Star strips.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 June, 2020, 03:42:30 PM
There's Crisis and Revolver as well.  Crisis was out for a few years by the time the Megazine was released, so is contemporary with the podcasts at the moment.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 June, 2020, 03:49:25 PM
Crisis is a very different beast, even though I always think of it as a natural extension of the Prog.

I'd love Conrad and Fox to do a Diceman play through that would be such fun!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 June, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 June, 2020, 03:49:25 PM
Crisis is a very different beast, even though I always think of it as a natural extension of the Prog.

I'd love Conrad and Fox to do a Diceman play through that would be such fun!

As somebody doing a prog slog, any ideas on how that would be presented?  What if Dredd, Slaine, Rogue, Nemesis, Torque, etc gets killed before the end?  Re-do the whole lot but with different decisions?  Pretend that every combat is successful so that it isn't a re-tread time after time?  I'm sure there are Fighting Fantasy podcasts / youtube channels where these have been dealt with...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 19 June, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
No just a really short episode!

Turn to 47... oh I died... Join us next time when...

As I recall some of the Diceman stories could be a bit punishing couldn't they? Its been an age since I read them.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 June, 2020, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 19 June, 2020, 04:06:51 PM
No just a really short episode!

Turn to 47... oh I died... Join us next time when...

As I recall some of the Diceman stories could be a bit punishing couldn't they? Its been an age since I read them.

In the Nemesis one I think there was one bit where you had to go fast otherwise you died, almost immediately followed by having to go slow, otherwise you died (or lose deviant points or whatever the scoring system was).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2020, 04:27:11 AM
We'd probably do Dice Man like we did Tomb of Terror and just have a straight play through. You'll remember for that that while Fox made it to the end I died with an episode or two left!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 June, 2020, 12:58:11 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2020, 04:27:11 AM
We'd probably do Dice Man like we did Tomb of Terror and just have a straight play through. You'll remember for that that while Fox made it to the end I died with an episode or two left!

Oh yes - having two of you playing may mean you the podcast has two lives :-)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 June, 2020, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2020, 04:27:11 AM
We'd probably do Dice Man like we did Tomb of Terror and just have a straight play through. You'll remember for that that while Fox made it to the end I died with an episode or two left!

That's very cool. Looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2020, 02:52:19 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 June, 2020, 01:47:24 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2020, 04:27:11 AM
We'd probably do Dice Man like we did Tomb of Terror and just have a straight play through. You'll remember for that that while Fox made it to the end I died with an episode or two left!

That's very cool. Looking forward to that.

Someday! But not someday soon. :(
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 June, 2020, 06:12:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fOZHFVt.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 650-653 of 2000AD, covering October and November of 1989. This episode we're at the start of a new era! All new thrills, two more in color, and since it's a fresh start for 2000AD we're making this a new listener episode! We're taking some extra time to introduce the comic itself and the stories within. If you're new to 2000AD or to us here at Space Spinner 2000, This is a great place to start!

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Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ih1CZpbdDGnb0aJthCind?si=XS_rRSmnRRKfjliu5lXGtQ)
Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 22 June, 2020, 11:49:56 AM
since we know fox knows now I will only just say....so close mate.....so close :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 22 June, 2020, 12:06:18 PM
Well, I didn't know that was how you pronounce the name Rudraige* and I know somebody whose name is Ruairi (who's kind to us by spelling his name Rory on facebook).

* modern spelling Ruadhraighe, apparently.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 23 June, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
I'm a few episodes behind in my listening, so forgive me if this has been covered, but that thing about 'in 1989/1990, a major 2000AD character WILL DIE'... it's only in retrospect that I noticed there are an awful lot of contenders. I mean in action/adventure comics it's a pretty normal trope for a hero to appear dead at the end of one epsiode only to recover in the next, but it sure happens a lot in this era.

Spoiler tag ACTIVATE

[spoiler]So Rogue Trooper is crucified in Cinnabar; Anderson gets run over by a tank during Necropolis; Zenith seemingly sacrifices himself (until it's revealed that was really Vertex); Slaine is foretold to die at the very start of the Horned God; Nemesis and Deadlock literally kill each other in Prog 700; Judge Dredd and Johnny Alpha...well, you know... [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 June, 2020, 09:56:21 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 22 June, 2020, 12:06:18 PM
Well, I didn't know that was how you pronounce the name Rudraige* and I know somebody whose name is Ruairi (who's kind to us by spelling his name Rory on facebook).

* modern spelling Ruadhraighe, apparently.

I've been alerted to this and will be pronouncing it correctly when we get to the second part of Horned God part 2 in early 1990. I promise to NEVER pronounce Yassa's last name correctly because I like "poo-vey" better than "poe-vey" for reasons that I can't define. Also I'm incapable of pronouncing Arthur Ranson's name as anything but "Ransom" I can't help it!

Quote from: AlexF on 23 June, 2020, 10:17:03 AM
I'm a few episodes behind in my listening, so forgive me if this has been covered, but that thing about 'in 1989/1990, a major 2000AD character WILL DIE'... it's only in retrospect that I noticed there are an awful lot of contenders. I mean in action/adventure comics it's a pretty normal trope for a hero to appear dead at the end of one epsiode only to recover in the next, but it sure happens a lot in this era.

A real fun part in letters is people guessing who it is, and Tharg delivering some ICE COLD dismissals from time to time. I think he literally says "Judge Corey was not a major character" at one point, which is HARSH.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 June, 2020, 12:45:15 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 June, 2020, 09:56:21 PM
Also I'm incapable of pronouncing Arthur Ranson's name as anything but "Ransom" I can't help it!

Despite having a copy of Swallows and Amazons, I was well past my teenage years before I realised they were spelt differently :-)

Quote
A real fun part in letters is people guessing who it is, and Tharg delivering some ICE COLD dismissals from time to time. I think he literally says "Judge Corey was not a major character" at one point, which is HARSH.

Remember Judge Corey - say her name!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 June, 2020, 11:51:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4THD39k.png)

Hail, Star-Troopers! On July 25th, at 1100 UTC the team from Space Spinner 2000 will begin a journey like no other! We shall undertake...The Starlordathon!

We'll recap every issue of the classic British sci-fi comic Starlord, one issue an a hour plus the first Special and Annual, in a 24 hour test of our endurance and our capacity to withstand thrilling action! Starlord is the original home the classic Strontium Dog and Ro-Busters comics, as well as tales of time travel, alternate realities, and space adventure.

The Starlordathon will be broadcast live on our Twitch channel at twitch.tv/spacespinner2000. It will be an exciting adventure, and we hope you'll come along with us!

Until then, stay alert and WATCH THE STARS!

And drop me a line if you'd like to take part in the marathon, we've got 24 hours of cohosts to figure out!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 25 June, 2020, 11:55:42 PM
oho that could be fun as hell definatly slot me in if you want
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 June, 2020, 01:46:37 AM
If it helps people refresh their minds on which stories featured in Starlrod:
here's a list I compiled earlier (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17nY3O9bNoicZsUBXH_C9I3gM7ruR4qkktggvJDowFkQ).
I originally started on that list when I was covering Starlord in my slog, but only finished it the other day (not helped by the lack of numbering on my issues of Starlord - so let me know if I made any mistakes).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 June, 2020, 06:37:48 AM
Wow that's going to be fun. The fact that you are doing it live is just brilliant, brilliant. So looking forward to this.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 26 June, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
I am not sure I understand this thing correctly.

A 24 hour long podcast made live? 24 separate podcasts covering an episode an hour? It sounds a bit mad to me. Surely Conrad is not going to try and stay awake 24 hours for Star Lord? He will surely be sick of it a few hours in.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 26 June, 2020, 09:13:54 PM
This sounds both super cool and a feat that would out do anything Humanity has tried before - cont me in if you ahve a spare hour (Gronk featuring episode if there's a choice!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 June, 2020, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 26 June, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
I am not sure I understand this thing correctly.

A 24 hour long podcast made live? 24 separate podcasts covering an episode an hour? It sounds a bit mad to me. Surely Conrad is not going to try and stay awake 24 hours for Star Lord? He will surely be sick of it a few hours in.

That's exactly it, but Fox is coming along too! We'll do an issue an hour, plus the first Starlord special and annual. It'll all be done live on Twitch, but I'll repackage it for the podcast feed at a later date (probably a few days later after I've recovered!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 June, 2020, 05:25:45 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/lN2xOQe.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and tenth episode Conrad and Fox continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 654-656 of 2000AD, covering November and December of 1989. This episode Young Giant deals with the past, the Dead Man goes on a quest, Chopper heads to Mega-City Two, Slaine goes deep sea diving, and Zenith has one of the greatest single pages in human history! But perhaps more importantly, FOX TAKES THE WHEEL!

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Or on your favorite podcast app!

Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 29 June, 2020, 10:39:38 AM
December 1989?  But...


But...


...that means the next prog will be in the 1990s! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuEY6jN6gY)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 29 June, 2020, 02:22:36 PM
Another great show. Well done Fox! Will there be more of this or is it a one-off?

The Sega Master System was known as the 'Sega Master System' in the UK. It is the Sega Mega Drive which is known as the 'Mega Drive' everywhere in the world except the US where it was called a 'Genesis'. The Master System was a much bigger thing in the UK than the NES was and a lot of UK software companies backed it.

By 1989 the ZX Spectrum was in it's final commercial stage. It was 7 years old and had graphics and audio that were inferior to everything else around, but it had become a 'hand.me-down' machine that older brothers gave to siblings while they moved on to Atari ST/Amiga or even PC. The games became very cheap - typically ÂŁ1.99 - and many old classics were re-issued on budget labels at this price.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 30 June, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
Fox I love your podcast but you really need a better standard of guests, this Conrad guy is super gross and totally unprofessional.

JK great job guys! Top marks to Conrad for [spoiler]keeping up the Keef Ripley kayfabe (Keefabe?)[/spoiler]

I had never heard of R.O.B. the robot before - I guess he wasn't widely distributed in the UK - so found this pretty fascinating: The Story of R.O.B. the Robot | Gaming Historian (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2FuHErzhVE)

I was a Sega kid, so the "Do me a favour, plug me into a Sega" ad in Prog 655 brought back fond memories of the TV version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKgFCW-f78). Although it must be said it doesn't really work in print.

Also, a 24 hour Starlord Twitch stream is mad mental crazy and I will be there for, oh, at least 20 minutes of it ;)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 July, 2020, 09:48:01 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 29 June, 2020, 10:39:38 AM
December 1989?  But...


But...


...that means the next prog will be in the 1990s! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuEY6jN6gY)

Still a few more episodes until then! We've got three more 1989 progs, the Spinnies of course, and the 1989 Winter Special, which I'm incredibly excited about!

Quote from: Echidna on 30 June, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
Fox I love your podcast but you really need a better standard of guests, this Conrad guy is super gross and totally unprofessional.

JK great job guys! Top marks to Conrad for [spoiler]keeping up the Keef Ripley kayfabe (Keefabe?)[/spoiler]

I had never heard of R.O.B. the robot before - I guess he wasn't widely distributed in the UK - so found this pretty fascinating: The Story of R.O.B. the Robot | Gaming Historian (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2FuHErzhVE)

I was a Sega kid, so the "Do me a favour, plug me into a Sega" ad in Prog 655 brought back fond memories of the TV version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKgFCW-f78). Although it must be said it doesn't really work in print.

Also, a 24 hour Starlord Twitch stream is mad mental crazy and I will be there for, oh, at least 20 minutes of it ;)

The ROB trojan horse is super important. As a lad I vividly remember the ads mentioned in that video, and really wanting that cool robot (I wouldn't get an NES until later, when it came with THE POWER PAD)

Quote from: WhizzBang on 29 June, 2020, 02:22:36 PM
Another great show. Well done Fox! Will there be more of this or is it a one-off?

A one-off for now, But I'm hoping positive feedback will inspire him to take the wheel more often!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 July, 2020, 04:56:42 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and eleventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 657-659 of 2000AD, covering December of 1989. This episode It's a festive mood as Dredd deals with mentals, Christmas, and families, Chopper gets ready for the big race, Zenith deals with super hero intrigue, and Judge Anderson gets random!

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And your MVP of 1989! Send 'em in and we'll read 'em on the show!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 July, 2020, 11:33:03 AM
I get those postage issues as well - I see something about a third of the UK price, then notice it's in the USA and postage takes it over the UK price - and that's before customs get their mitts on it and charge four times the value of something in excise.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 July, 2020, 01:09:57 PM
Stories


Bradley
Bradley Visits his Granpappy

Chopper
Song of the Surfer

The Dead Man

Fervent and Lobe
Issigri Variations

Hap Hazzard
Life

Judge Anderson
Contact
Beyond the Void
Helios
Triad
The Prophet
The Random Man

The Mean Team
Survivor

Medivac 318

Moon Runners
Old Acquaintance

Nemesis the Warlock
Book X: Deathbringer

Rogue Trooper
Cinnabar
The War Machine

Sláine
The Horned God Books I and II

Strontium Dog
The Final Solution

Swifty's Return

Tales of the Doghouse
Chameleon
Spud O'Riley
Maeve the Many-Armed
Sting Ray
Froggy Natterjack
Ratty
Niall of the Nine Sausages
Moosey

Zenith
Phase III: War in Heaven

Zero
Night Zero
Beyond Zero

Zippy Couriers
(untitled)
Butch
Supermarket
Women's Business
The Searchers

Judge Dredd
Our Man in Hondo
Bride of Death (reprinted, but from the Daily Star so I'm figuring it's new to more

Squaxx then the general reprint)
Return of the Spider-Woman
That Sweet Stuff
Crazy Barry, Little Mo
Lockin' up the House
A Guide to Mega-City Law
Breakdown on 9th Street
On Meeting Your Enemy
Banana City
In the Bath
John Cassavetes is Dead (Le Tigre - What's Yr Take on Cassavetes? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI87_X52wmk))
10,000,000 is a Dangerous Age, Cynthia
A Total Near Death Experience
A Child's Tale
The Confeshuns of PJ Maybe?
An Elm Street Nightmare
Dead Juve's Curve
And the Wind Cried
Kirby's Demon
Curse of the Spider-Man
The Amazing Ant-Man
The Great Little U-Front Disaster
Playaday
Cardboard City
Over the Top
A Monkey's Tale
Confessions of a Rottweiller
The Shooting Match
Young Giant
Politics
It Still Pays to be Mental
Little Spuggie's Xmas
Family Affair
I'm Manny, Me Fly

Tharg's Future Shocks
Accident
Fat Chance
Time to Wake Up
Enterprise
Writer's Block
The Keepsake
At Twilight's Last Gleaming
Pollution
Fast Forward
Still Life
The Flint Sisters
Deadline
Amanda
Reunion
Just Between Ourselves
For a Body Like Dwayne Death's
Ideas
The Hit
Touch of Death
He Met the Moon Men
Holy Hologram
Race Relations
Opening Moves
Inside Moves
Order of the Beast
The Godfish
House of the Future
The Getting of Wisdom
The Foreign Model
Identity Crisis
Birthday Greetings
You Need Friends
Rogan's Last Ride
Self Awareness
Bingo Hits the Big Time
Val
The Toast

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 July, 2020, 01:11:39 PM
Script Droids (a good year for Art droids to make the jump):

Alan Grant
Larry watson
John Wagner
Pat Mills
John Brosnan
John Tomlinson
Stewart Edwards
Steve Dillon
Hilary Robinson
Mike Collins
Nicholas Barber
Peter Milligan
David Anderson
Jim Campbell
Donkin and Neal Brand
John Smith / The Grim Brothers
Larry Watson
Grant Morrison
Alan McKenzie
Ian Rimmer
Mark Millar
Paul Carstairs
John Murphy
Keef Ripley
Dave Gibbons
Simon Furman
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 July, 2020, 01:11:57 PM
Art Droids:
Brendan McCarthy
Glenn Fabry
Mark Farmer
Richard Elson
Colin MacNeil
John Hicklenton
Kev Hopgood
Ian Gibson
Simon Jacob
Jose Ortiz
Kevin Walker
Graham Higgins
Steve Yeowell
Mick Austin
Will Simpson
Vanyo
Stephen Baskerville
David Roach
Jamie Hewlett
Chris Weston
Simon Harrison
John McCrea
Massimo Belardinelli
Dougie Braithwaite
Nigel Dobbyn
John Higgins
Barry Kitson
Ron Smith
Gual
Paul Marshall
Dave D'Antiquis
Jim Baikie
Simon Bisley
Duncan Goodacre
Martin Griffiths
Cliff Robinson
Liam (McCormack-) Sharp
Athur Ranson
Carlos Ezquerra
Mike Hadley
Cam Kennedy
Glynn Dillon
Sean Phillips
Keith Page
Andrew Wildman
John Ridgway
David Hine
Tim Perkins (colour for beginning of Song of the Surfer)
Jeff Anderson
Lee Sullivan
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 06 July, 2020, 03:17:01 PM
Argh, I'd either didn't know or had erased from my memory that Jive Bunny had also massacred March of the Mods along with all the other stuff...

Is there no end to that crudely drawn cartoon rabbit's evil...?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 July, 2020, 08:39:16 AM
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Good News For All Listeners!
Only joking! Just a very brief mid-week announcement to provide some updates. Listen to the audio for slighlty more details

We've got a new show starting Friday, the Judge Dredd Primer. Podcast mastermind Conrad and Big Meg One co-host Eli will run through some of Dredd's adventures and learn about his world to prepare for the start of the Judge Dredd Megazine! The first in a multi-part series!
Just a reminder that the Starlord podcast marathon, or Starlordathon, starts on July 25th at 1100 UTC time. That's 12 noon in the UK, 11pm in New Zealand, and 4am in California! Subscribe now at twitch.tv/spacespinner2000 (http://twitch.tv/spacespinner2000) so you don't miss a second!
There are a couple kickstarters I've following that I think listeners to our podcast would enjoy. Check them out!
The77 Comic Summer Special (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/the77comic/the77-the-summer-special)
Galaxy Grappling Alliance Issue 2 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/artninetwo/galaxy-grappling-alliance-issue-2)
ComicScene History of Comics 1930-2030 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/comicscene/comicscene-the-history-of-comics-1930-2030)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 08 July, 2020, 09:25:09 AM
jive bunny and the mastermixers were a pox on the late 80s early 90s pop charts a pox i say

  Art Chris weston the man himself is not fond of his early stuff but i adore it. He will of course get better in time....much much better.

Writing That keef ripley fella...I feel like hes going places ;) seriously though john wagner played a blinder this year between all the set up for a certain epic thats looming  plus song of the surfer and a bunch of classic dredd ones offs

Overall Thrill This is a genuinly hard one since a lot of strips are so scattershot this year to the point the final solutions not even done yet and it started in 600. If an incomplete strip got my nod it would be zenith phase 3 which twisted that whole american crisis event thing on its head and populated it with a bunch of british heroes who are whinging about it being above their paygrade.

But if a finished story this year got the nod it would have to be the utterly fantastic cinnibar where John smith takes a to be honest long in the tooth rogue trooper and shook it full of his patented insanity, body horror and gave us a fresh take on the infantryman after that long dismal hit arc. The only sad thing is John doesn't get to do much more with the trooper other than a certain yearbook story i cannot wait to peel the skin away at

Month in Progs easy one this the 650 relaunch changed everything and has a pretty hefty all killer no filler feel to it
   
Again i cannot pick a year so here is my second annual rick random award for least best 2000ad strip and I am sure fox will be happy and some of my fellow boarders will be shocked to hear me say that Fervent and lobe was the least best of this year. I promise you fox indigo prime will be better than this bizarre mess I wish i could say it was the end of it but....

1990s gonna be a strong year i cannot wait to experience it alongside you between space spinner and the soon to be launched big meg 1 its gonna be Ghafflebette. 91 err not so much
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 08 July, 2020, 11:28:07 AM
Thanks Conrad, the Dredd Primer sounds like it will be excellent fun.

On to the Spinnies (with thanks to Sheridan):
    Art -Simon Bisley
    Writing - John Wagner
    Overall Thrill  - Judge Dredd
    Month in Progs - November
    Year of 2000AD (from 1987 to 1989) - 1989
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 08 July, 2020, 03:08:47 PM
My Spinnie votes go to...

Best Art: John Ridgeway (the eyes, the eyes!)
Best Writing: Alan Grant, specifically for John Cassavetes is dead - all his other solo Dredds were terrible in '89. But also for The Final Solution.
Best Overall Thrill: Night Zero/Beyond Zero - the only thrill where every single episode the writing and art were exactly what I wanted.
Best month: December (obviously)
Best Year: 1987
MVP: Hilary Robinson, partly for writing so damn much, but mostly for finding a different tone at long last, and breathing some fresh air in with Tharg's first sitcom: Zippy Couriers and Tharg's first drama: Medivac 318.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 08 July, 2020, 03:55:32 PM
My Spinnie votes go to...

Best Art: Colin MacNeil - This might be with hindsight, but he pips Bisley for me even if I vote with the knowledge of what Bisley Clones will do to the comic - he is but the First Simon of the Apocalypse! While I won't claim I had full insight into just how important an artist MacNeil would go on to be, it is super clear he is working from a love of the comic that Bisley is not.  Bisley's Slaine, Mebd, Naimh and Knucker may as well be different characters to what has gone before.  Meanwhile, Colin's turn on "John Cassavettes is dead" nails him as a primo Dredd artist at a time when the comic is trying out a lot of artists on Old Stoney Face with patchy success.


Best Writing: Wagner, for keeping Dredd interesting and hitting us wth world building strips such as Chopper and....others....


Best Overall Thrill: Slaine - might not have won the individuals their respective awards, but as a joint effort, the tension between Pat's high brow and Simon's low brow intentions works for the most part  and is more than the sum of its parts.

Best month: December  - once Chopper replaces the worthy but dull Rogue reboot with proper thrillpower, we have a run of progs that are as good as any in the comic's illustrious history.

Best Year: 1984 Gruddammit!   But of 87 to 89... better than 88, hits higher highs than 87, but is too patchy, so 1987.

MVP: Daily Star Dredd! When the comic floundered in the doldrum months, the inclusion of Daily Star Dredd at least soothed the completionist in me - Always saw these as akin to the lost 60s Doctor Who episodes, but with the ability of Tharg to bring them back from the grave that is the Daily Star! 
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 08 July, 2020, 03:58:56 PM
erm, not sure Susan has fully got the point of the Spinnies....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 08 July, 2020, 04:32:30 PM
I missed out the MVP category. Mine goes to ...Susan! No, Hilary Robinson. I enjoyed everything she did and it seemed like a bit of fresh air was blowing into the progs.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 08 July, 2020, 08:12:02 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 08 July, 2020, 03:58:56 PM
erm, not sure Susan has fully got the point of the Spinnies....

I gather a spambot hit the forum today - was it Susan?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 08 July, 2020, 08:29:51 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 08 July, 2020, 08:12:02 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 08 July, 2020, 03:58:56 PM
erm, not sure Susan has fully got the point of the Spinnies....

I gather a spambot hit the forum today - was it Susan?

Yes. After Susan posted her list of questionable links there was someone with a big interest in geography, languages and gambling websites.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 July, 2020, 09:23:52 AM
1989 what a mixed bag that was!

Best Art: I was trying not to give it to Steve Yeowell for Zenith again, maybe John Ridgway for Deadman, so good, maybe someone a bit different Nigel Dobbyn as I love his clean line on Medivac, or even Steve Cook for some really fun cover designs... Arthur Ranson... oh who am I kidding its Steve Yeowell isn't it!

Best Writing: John Wagner as its too easy to take him for granted and the way he started to craft the build up to Necropolis was quite masterful, even if we didn't know the ... well Prog 660 yet... Special mention to Alan Grant for 'John Cassavettes is Dead' which wonderfully underlines the work by Wagner and Anderson Triad, oh and GMozz for Zenith.

Best Overall Thrill: Arhhh its Zenith again isn't it NO its Deadman... but since neither those complete in 1989 and in the case of Deadman... well Prog 660 again is next year, maybe I'll go Medivac 318 for being such a brilliant change in tone and feel, while wonderfully still being very 2000ad....BUT in the end its Anderson - Triad setting up the Grant Ranson partnership with a great thrill.

Best month: as Alex F says December (obviously)... not actually November ... no actually December

Best Year: 1987 as this was the last time the Prog wasn't so rocky for a long time. 1989 has some real highlights but when it dips, it dips hard and it does so more often

MVP: You know what I was thinking Steve Cook for starting to really shake up the look and feel of the Prog but then I save Alex F's nomination and can't argue with Hilary Robinson. She shock things up and added a fresh feel and tone to the Prog, it didn't always work, certainly some stories down the line, but Medivac and Zippy Couriers it really did and since 2000ad is all about variety of story this is really important.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 July, 2020, 06:34:04 AM
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In the first mega episode of our Judge Dredd Megazine Primer series Eli and Conrad are looking at some classic Dredd adventures to learn more about the Lawman of the Future. This episode e're talking about Judge Dredd and his relationships with the people of Mega-City One, and what life is like in that post scarcity dystopian megalopolis! We'll learn how people live, see a few sub-cultures in action, and try to survive a night in the life of Judge Dredd!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 10 July, 2020, 07:30:28 AM
I think there has been a mix up here - the episode 1 I downloaded is the one you recorded as episode 2 starting with Kenny Who. It is great stuff anyway so thanks for your work Conrad and Eli.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 July, 2020, 04:32:25 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 10 July, 2020, 07:30:28 AM
I think there has been a mix up here - the episode 1 I downloaded is the one you recorded as episode 2 starting with Kenny Who. It is great stuff anyway so thanks for your work Conrad and Eli.

Yep, mistake on my part. The correct episode should be there now, please refresh your podcast app!

Here's the link to the correct episode as well!  (http://spacespinner2000.com/2020/07/10/big-meg-one-primer-1-dredd-and-mega-city-one/)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 July, 2020, 05:16:57 PM
Listening now - it's going to be all timey-wimey when I listen to the second episode again later this month!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 10 July, 2020, 06:40:29 PM
I am looking forward to episode 3 now and really hope Conrad includes Judge Death Lives in episode 3 as Eli is sure to notice how good the 'gaze into the fist' panel is..
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 July, 2020, 12:23:19 AM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 10 July, 2020, 06:40:29 PM
I am looking forward to episode 3 now and really hope Conrad includes Judge Death Lives in episode 3 as Eli is sure to notice how good the 'gaze into the fist' panel is..

Episode 3 is very much the episode I'm most worried about. It's really important to establish Death as an actually scary villain and threat, otherwise his Megazine appearances are weird and make no sense!
Title: Re: Hot photo galleries blogs and pictures
Post by: NapalmKev on 11 July, 2020, 08:20:22 AM
Quote from: tameragr4 on 11 July, 2020, 08:10:35 AM
Utter Horseshit!

Riddle Me Ree! - Bellend or Bot?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 July, 2020, 04:15:50 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and twelfth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1989 Winter Special of 2000AD. This Special is a real boom/bust publication, mixing side stories from low priority thrills with some extremely dense filler, and even some REPRINT filler!

This episode Conrad is joined by top 2000AD art droid Chris Weston! He was an amazing sport, discussing some of his earliest work! Among many many other places you can find Chris's work on House of Dolman in the recently released Smash 2020 Special, or check out his work directly on his twitter @westonfront!

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It was an incredible honor to have Mr. Weston on to talk about some work he's clearly not that pleased about thirty years later, but I think it ends up being great fun. Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 13 July, 2020, 04:57:46 AM
Oh my god you got chris weston!!!!  :)

yeah i knew hes not a fan of his early stuff but as i said i love his work
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 July, 2020, 05:34:20 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 13 July, 2020, 04:57:46 AM
Oh my god you got chris weston!!!!  :)

yeah i knew hes not a fan of his early stuff but as i said i love his work

He definitely feels he didn't come into his own until Killing Time. Which may come up later!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 13 July, 2020, 06:19:17 PM
Thanks Conrad - quite a coup, getting a creator in on the podcast. Have any others showed interest in taking part in future episodes? It was pretty great to hear Chris's perspective.

The winter special itself was bit disappointing although the Leny Henry interview was more interesting than I expected it to be. You didn't seem to notice the punchline in the Dredd strip where the 'Have a Lawful Xmas' sign becomes 'Have a awful Xmas', or maybe it too weak to mention.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 July, 2020, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 13 July, 2020, 06:19:17 PM
Thanks Conrad - quite a coup, getting a creator in on the podcast. Have any others showed interest in taking part in future episodes? It was pretty great to hear Chris's perspective.

The winter special itself was bit disappointing although the Leny Henry interview was more interesting than I expected it to be. You didn't seem to notice the punchline in the Dredd strip where the 'Have a Lawful Xmas' sign becomes 'Have a awful Xmas', or maybe it too weak to mention.

Definitely missed it. I swear I'm sight gag blind sometimes! I've got another creator lined up, and it's something I'm definitely looking into doing more often. Maybe not as a regular episode, but there's definitely stuff to learn from people from Space Spinner's weird early 90s perspective!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 13 July, 2020, 09:23:24 PM
That was a blast, though if you get Chris back, you must grill him on his 2000AD history (he sounds like a Prog 1er to me!).  Really good to get that insight into the Rogue tale and while I thnk of Chris Weston as a stalwart always about Droid, a quick trip to Wikipedia didnt show as many tales as I thought - especially Dredd, which speaks well of his impact ("To Thing with Love" is a top Ten Dredd for me!) 


Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 July, 2020, 07:50:03 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 13 July, 2020, 06:19:17 PM
Thanks Conrad - quite a coup, getting a creator in on the podcast. Have any others showed interest in taking part in future episodes? It was pretty great to hear Chris's perspective.

The winter special itself was bit disappointing although the Leny Henry interview was more interesting than I expected it to be. You didn't seem to notice the punchline in the Dredd strip where the 'Have a Lawful Xmas' sign becomes 'Have a awful Xmas', or maybe it too weak to mention.

Definitely missed it. I swear I'm sight gag blind sometimes! I've got another creator lined up, and it's something I'm definitely looking into doing more often. Maybe not as a regular episode, but there's definitely stuff to learn from people from Space Spinner's weird early 90s perspective!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 16 July, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
Super stoked that the first Dredd tale on the Primer was CityBlock - which I've long thought to be the single best introduction to both Dredd adn the world of Dredd. Solidarity!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 July, 2020, 03:32:41 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 16 July, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
Super stoked that the first Dredd tale on the Primer was CityBlock - which I've long thought to be the single best introduction to both Dredd adn the world of Dredd. Solidarity!

Forever! Seriously though, to me it's the point where (after two back to back mega epics) they've decided that Dredd is going to be a long term thing, so it's time to really lay down some rules and world building for what the city is like and what it's like to live in it. Most of Dredd until this point has been very "perp of the week" or a mega epic, or a Luna-1. This is the start of the plain ol' Mega-City One stories.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 July, 2020, 06:58:57 AM
I believe Conrad will have seen this over at Megaverse but so good I wanted to share it here too. From the brilliant Maryanddavid

(https://i.imgur.com/2i9gvvS.jpg)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2020, 06:31:41 PM
It's not stealing, it's a call back!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 July, 2020, 05:10:22 AM
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In our thrilling hundred and ninety-fourth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1989. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1989 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1990 from both 2000AD and our show!

And don't forget our 24 hour STARLORDATHON this Saturday, the 25th, starting at 11am UTC at twitch.tv/spacespinner2000 (http://twitch.tv/spacespinner2000)

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 July, 2020, 12:18:32 PM
Thanks for the shout-out!  Next time I might even give my opinions after trawling barney for the year's line-up!

Really looking forward to the next few episodes!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 July, 2020, 12:20:15 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 20 July, 2020, 12:18:32 PM
Thanks for the shout-out!  Next time I might even give my opinions after trawling barney for the year's line-up!

Really looking forward to the next few episodes!

Always happy for more spinny noms, especially if you're doing the rest of the work.

EVERYONE GET READY FOR THE STARLORDATHON!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 July, 2020, 04:39:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/NeoRfCU.jpg)

In the second mega episode of our Judge Dredd Megazine Primer series Eli and Conrad are looking at some classic Dredd adventures to learn more about the Lawman of the Future. This episode we're investigating the politics of Mega-City One and Dredd's relationship to them. We'll learn about the nascent democracy movement in the city, and how the Judges are trying to stamp it out. We'll also meet aspiring Artist Kenny Who? and round things out with some very early adventures featuring Dredd's brother Rico, Judge Giant, and the evil Mutie the Pig!

And don't forget to tune into the STARLORDATHON this Saturday at https://www.twitch.tv/spacespinner2000 (https://www.twitch.tv/spacespinner2000)

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 25 July, 2020, 12:43:55 PM
The Starlordathon is live!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 25 July, 2020, 02:10:01 PM
Sheridan and Rackle listening!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 25 July, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
I'm following along (at the expense of the cricket!) while clearing the bathroom and tiolets, Its great fun... the listening not the tiolets.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 25 July, 2020, 03:05:09 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 25 July, 2020, 02:50:18 PM
I'm following along (at the expense of the cricket!) while clearing the bathroom and tiolets, Its great fun... the listening not the tiolets.

Nobody's going to judge you if you like clearing the bathroom and toilets.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 25 July, 2020, 03:43:26 PM
I am watching as much as i can live. I am there under my lping name though :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 July, 2020, 07:34:14 AM
They are still going - which is magnificent - and looking strong. Get over there to show your support as they near the line - think there's about 2 or 3 hours left.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 26 July, 2020, 07:38:51 AM
Started at 12, so should end at 12?  Been a blast - can't wait to catch up with the bits I missed due to sleeping!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 July, 2020, 10:30:19 AM
The last hour!  Still holding up.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 July, 2020, 10:33:39 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 26 July, 2020, 10:30:19 AM
The last hour!  Still holding up.

They're still podding
Yeah Yeah Yeah
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 July, 2020, 10:51:44 AM
And cut.

That was an EPIC effort.

Sheridan did you watch all of that? You always seemed to be there whenever I was. If so an almost equal effort!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 July, 2020, 10:56:08 AM
I'd planned on being there live for the whole lot, but that plan was spoiled when I woke up with a headache yesterday :-(

I ended up listening to it up to about 02:30 this morning for Steve G's spot, then got a few hours sleep so I could start up again at 07:00 so I'd be awake for my spot at 08:00.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 July, 2020, 10:56:25 AM
I was paranoid that I'd oversleep and miss my spot!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Echidna on 26 July, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
Amazing work, guys. Looking forward to catching up on the bits I missed, and that Dead Man reveal tomorrow!

Sorry for bringing down the tone by bringing up White Fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsnzlIests4)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 26 July, 2020, 12:50:16 PM
late to the party - trying to watch the catch up but so frustrating - my shitty broadband keeps buffering. Issue 1 was great fun though!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 July, 2020, 01:42:11 PM
Quote from: Echidna on 26 July, 2020, 11:02:05 AM
Amazing work, guys. Looking forward to catching up on the bits I missed, and that Dead Man reveal tomorrow!

Sorry for bringing down the tone by bringing up White Fire (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsnzlIests4)

I don't think you were the only one to draw that parallel (I'd never heard of it before).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 26 July, 2020, 02:19:25 PM
starlord being a war criminal will forever be my head cannon :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 July, 2020, 02:49:43 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 July, 2020, 02:19:25 PM
starlord being a war criminal will forever be my head cannon :lol:

That story had come out before I got to Starlord in my slog, and it's difficult to read all those letters from militaristic children without thinking 'child soldier' and 'war crime' :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 26 July, 2020, 02:50:58 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 26 July, 2020, 02:49:43 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 July, 2020, 02:19:25 PM
starlord being a war criminal will forever be my head cannon :lol:

That story had come out before I got to Starlord in my slog, and it's difficult to read all those letters from militaristic children without thinking 'child soldier' and 'war crime' :)

1970s celebrity who has contact with children has to disappear suddenly without adequate explanation would put another complection on it...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 July, 2020, 04:28:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/5IEvP8L.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and fourteenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 660-663 of 2000AD, covering December of 1989. This episode the 90s have begun, with returns for Bradley, Slaine, and Future Shocks, the premiere of Bix Barton, and revelations in Chopper, The Dead Man, and Judge Dredd!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 27 July, 2020, 09:41:20 AM
i love fox his reaction to dredd man was fantastic
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 27 July, 2020, 02:09:54 PM
damn can't believe i forgot to put this into my last post but conrads stranger by the dozen sense is on point there steve ditto is indeed a nod and a wink to the amazing spiderman/dr strange creator
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 27 July, 2020, 02:55:38 PM
Thanks Conrad! In fact, a special thanks for having the energy to put this out on the various platforms following the 24 hour Starlord event. I was only able to tune in for 2 hours as I was at a family event/barbecue thing and had to be social but it was fun as always.

This was the episode I have been looking forward too for a long time and I think Dredd has a good chance of being top thrill for the majority of the coming weeks. It wasn't a disappointment and I think the Block Mania comparison (as a lead in to something much bigger) is a good one.

This is my first time with Bix Barton and I am enjoying it, but can see how it may not travel so well to those not exposed to the ridiculous early 20th century Wodehousian slang. I always enjoy this kind of language but it is always used ironically so I don't know if people ever really spoke like that. It is probably an exageration.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 27 July, 2020, 05:01:38 PM
My main problem with Barton was always that he's a rugby man, and I'm much more of a cricket man myself.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 July, 2020, 11:37:18 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 27 July, 2020, 02:55:38 PM
Thanks Conrad! In fact, a special thanks for having the energy to put this out on the various platforms following the 24 hour Starlord event. I was only able to tune in for 2 hours as I was at a family event/barbecue thing and had to be social but it was fun as always.

This was the episode I have been looking forward too for a long time and I think Dredd has a good chance of being top thrill for the majority of the coming weeks. It wasn't a disappointment and I think the Block Mania comparison (as a lead in to something much bigger) is a good one.

This is my first time with Bix Barton and I am enjoying it, but can see how it may not travel so well to those not exposed to the ridiculous early 20th century Wodehousian slang. I always enjoy this kind of language but it is always used ironically so I don't know if people ever really spoke like that. It is probably an exageration.

I'm a big Wodehouse fan myself, grew up watching the Fry/Laurie adaptions on TV (Everyone in the US sees Hugh Laurie as Dr. House, but he'll always be Bertie Wooster to me!). I swear I've talked about rich brits and used the "Basington-Basington" surname! I that "cheerio pip pip" style upper class twit style of speaking, but sadly it's easier for me to speak in a (terrible) more working class patois :D

Quote from: AlexF on 27 July, 2020, 05:01:38 PM
My main problem with Barton was always that he's a rugby man, and I'm much more of a cricket man myself.
Come on old bean, a spot of the rugger then we pop over to the Drones for a libation or four? Toodle-pip! I just hope my old aunt doesn't have another fiance lined up!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 July, 2020, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 July, 2020, 11:37:18 PM
I that "cheerio pip pip" style upper class twit style of speaking, but sadly it's easier for me to speak in a (terrible) more working class patois :D

Specifically a 1970s ten-year old working class child who wants me comics!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 August, 2020, 04:32:42 PM
Catching up on the bits of the starlordathon I slept through - that 1980 Annual is rough! Glad you didnt end on it...

Is this the place to put out Starlord Spinnie nominations?  Badgies?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 August, 2020, 06:06:09 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x6hPZEE.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and fifteenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 660-663 of 2000AD, covering February 1990. This episode we reach THE PROG OF THE BEAST! We're also directing traffic a bit, as Sláine and Chopper end, Rogue Trooper, Zippy Couriers and Zenith return, Beyond Zero does both, and Bix Barton and Judge Kraken's evaluation continue!

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Quote from: Leigh S on 01 August, 2020, 04:32:42 PM
Catching up on the bits of the starlordathon I slept through - that 1980 Annual is rough! Glad you didnt end on it...

Is this the place to put out Starlord Spinnie nominations?  Badgies?

Just so everyone knows, the Starlordathon will start coming out on the podcast feed on Wednesdays, and will eventually culminate in a Starlord Spinnies, so start thinking about your picks:

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 03 August, 2020, 05:47:07 PM
The Sisters of Mercy: This Corrosion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RVJyNpfDk).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 04 August, 2020, 03:38:26 PM
Thomas the Tank Engine is definitely real - he lives in a train yard next door-but-one to my sister's flat.

He often ventures out in the dead of night on the back of a flatbed truck, peering out from beneath a tarpaulin.

The reasons are obscure.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 04 August, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
My 2 year old great-nephew was open-mouthed dumbstruck when he saw the full size Thomas - He just stared for a bit and then turned to his mum and said "Thomas is REAL!!!"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 04 August, 2020, 04:55:21 PM
I go to work everyday in the real Toby the Tram's yard.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 04 August, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
I think it was a shame when they stopped using living peoples faces and politicised the whole thing - what was wrong with the common vote for whose face got used?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 04 August, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
Yeah, I was a big fan of Trainy McTrainFace.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 August, 2020, 06:51:43 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 04 August, 2020, 05:06:23 PM
I think it was a shame when they stopped using living peoples faces and politicised the whole thing - what was wrong with the common vote for whose face got used?

It was when the Minster of Transport had their face compared to the back of a train that was the last straw...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 August, 2020, 04:34:28 AM
So much train based gaslighting, and when I have so many podcasts for you!

(https://i.imgur.com/BdqB0zd.png)

In case you missed it! Here's the first part of the Starlordathon! The first four hours and the first four issues of UK classic comic Starlord. If you want to check out visuals for the stream, head over to our YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaB5LI1inFrHinXiVkQxsMw/), where individual episodes will be uploaded shortly.


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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 05 August, 2020, 08:57:54 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 August, 2020, 04:34:28 AM
So much train based gaslighting, and when I have so many podcasts for you!


And in more recent times the face moved to aircraft...
(https://pictures.abebooks.com/RAREBOOKCELLAR/md/md5065330716.jpg) (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/first-edition/BUDGIE-Little-Helicopter-H.R.H-Duchess-York/5065330716/bd)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 August, 2020, 09:06:21 AM
Just remember everyone

Thomas is everywhere!!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 August, 2020, 06:16:14 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/27afgaT.jpg)

In the third mega episode of our Judge Dredd Megazine Primer series Eli and Conrad are looking at some classic Dredd adventures to learn more about the Lawman of the Future. This episode we're focusing on one of Judge Dredd's greatest opponents, Judge Death! Generally when Dredd defeats someone they end up dead or in prison, and it's extremely rare for someone to make a repeat appearance. As an immortal personification of death from an alternate dimension, Judge Death is the exception to that rule. Also Conrad makes a pretty big mistake with a key Dredd quote, TWICE!

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We put out a lot of content this week! Please let me know what you think of the episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 11 August, 2020, 01:28:31 AM
nah  but seriously the fuck was that future shock called guilt supposed to be?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 11 August, 2020, 02:09:11 PM
Wow, I can't believe you've got to the adventures of Big Guy, Mean Guy, Busty Gal Guy, Other Guy, and Other Other Guy already!

I also find it hard to believe that it started before Necropolis and was still hanging around until just before The Pit began.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 11 August, 2020, 07:08:26 PM
Ah, we've hit that point where the prog, soaring after a slow dive suddenly hits an air pocket of  Mike Fleischer, stalls and goes into a scary freefall.  Interesting Tomlinson will be at the controls when it starts pulling out of the death dive.... and at least you have Necropolis, Button Man and a good chunk of the Megazinne to keep you going - plus you have me reevaluating stuff I have long dismissed, so interesting times! 

Students and Terrorists used to be interchangeable concepts.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 August, 2020, 01:53:43 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 11 August, 2020, 01:28:31 AM
nah  but seriously the fuck was that future shock called guilt supposed to be?

TV commercials of the day? Some damn thing? I need everyone from the time to explain themselves!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 August, 2020, 04:59:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/OjNsjPW.png)

It's the second part of the Starlordathon! The next four hours and issues 5 through 7 of UK classic comic Starlord, along with the Starlord Special!. If you want to check out visuals for the stream, head over to our YouTube Channel, where individual episodes will be uploaded shortly.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 August, 2020, 05:04:47 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and seventeenth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 672-675 of 2000AD, covering March & April 1990. This episode Judge Dredd deals with deadly ladies of the human and supernatural variety, we explore the edge with Armoured Gideon, Shadows gets the Net, Universal Soldier returns, and the Harlem Heroes get recruited!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 17 August, 2020, 01:26:16 PM
I need video footage of Conrad and Fox voguing while doing the splundig vur thrigg signoff.


In other news I would like to apologise to the wider community for singng during my brief appearance on the Stardlordathon.
:-[
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 17 August, 2020, 04:26:32 PM
I dunno if i should be insulted by that one scottish future shock :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 18 August, 2020, 12:56:21 PM
It may be the Mandela Effect (which we all know is named after Zenith's St John) but I could have sworn the upcoming Hilary Robinson story is Chronos Carnival (not Chaos) - I'd have written it off as mispeak, but think you've called it Chaos Carnival a few times now! 

Is the angry Ace Garp the one drawn by Richie Edwards of Manic Street Preachers fame?

Tabernacles are definitely a thing!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 August, 2020, 08:01:33 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 18 August, 2020, 12:56:21 PM
It may be the Mandela Effect (which we all know is named after Zenith's St John) but I could have sworn the upcoming Hilary Robinson story is Chronos Carnival (not Chaos) - I'd have written it off as mispeak, but think you've called it Chaos Carnival a few times now! 

Is the angry Ace Garp the one drawn by Richie Edwards of Manic Street Preachers fame?

Tabernacles are definitely a thing!

Chronos vs Chaos are words I confuse constantly!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 August, 2020, 07:06:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/c3ePr7I.png)

It's the third part of the Starlordathon! The next four hours and issues 8 through 11 of Starlord! If you want to check out visuals for the stream, head over to our YouTube Channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaB5LI1inFrHinXiVkQxsMw/), where individual episodes will be uploaded shortly.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 August, 2020, 04:31:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CGAEZfM.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and eighteenth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1990 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. We're seeing these specials becoming a testing ground for new 2000AD talent, and places to feature extra episodes of newer thrills, with stories featuring Luke Kirby, Armoured Gideon, and Indigo Prime!

This episode Conrad is joined by 2000AD art droid and storyboard artist Mark Sexton! Mark has worked on a ton of great movies and has been a friend of the show almost since the beginning!

Sadly there's some audio problems at the start of this episode, but it gets cleared up about 15 minutes in.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 24 August, 2020, 10:09:03 AM
i am now reading along and i read that barton character as more from t north than scottish but thats just me
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 August, 2020, 07:22:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CTBeAqP.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and nineteenth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1990 Judge Dredd Mega-Special. It's the third Dredd solo special, with three brand new stories, all written by Alan Grant and a frankly terrifying amount of detailed filler!

This episode Conrad is joined by Alex of the Heroes of 2000AD blog! It's a great resource for information on important 2000AD creators, which can be severely lacking elsewhere on the web.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 August, 2020, 04:37:55 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9Zvomff.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and twentieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 676-679 of 2000AD, covering April & May 1990. This episode a psi judge is betrayed, Shadows hit the Zone, Armoured Gideon fights Jerubaal, there's intrigue in Universal Soldier Town, and the Chronos Carnival and Indigo Prime® open for business!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 31 August, 2020, 03:27:50 PM
-puts on tin conspiracy hat-

i personally think Agee was supposed to be Corey until john found out Alan killed her in that special
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 September, 2020, 07:47:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/NuE3Sl2.png)

It's the fifth part of the Starlordathon! The next four hours and issues 15 to 18! If you want to check out visuals for the stream, head over to our YouTube Channel, where individual episodes will be uploaded shortly.

Getting very close to the end now, an Conrad & Fox are getting TIRED!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 04 September, 2020, 08:01:40 PM
Conrad I keep forgetting to say I think as you are getting close to recording (and remember folks you can see what's happening behind the scenes by supporting 2000ad's best podcast (apologise Eammon!) via the cradleline Patreon) the early 700s there a very important thing to look out for.

A creator that came a went in a flash left a mark on 2000ad like few others. A writer who crafted a deft tale warning you to be careful what you wish for as it might come true. A tale of depth and woe, seeming humour and confusion wrapped in character that most won't see. Amazingly he does all this in a single letter.

Not to leave his writing in the spotlight too long he of course explodes the artist world with a single image - again cleverly seemingly relegated to the Nervecentre but which shakes up artist perspective in the Prog like few others.

Oh he will burn brightly, but he will burn strong. So as you enter the 700s remember to look out for the semial work of Colin Taylor (Barnston, Merseyside) I'm sure both Fox and yourself will be reflecting in it in great depth!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 September, 2020, 05:24:34 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 04 September, 2020, 08:01:40 PM
Subtle Hints

Say n'more chief, it's sorted.

Anyway:
(https://i.imgur.com/xTyUxGo.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and twenty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 680-683 of 2000AD, covering May & June 1990. This episode we've got a tale of two comics, as we start by clearing the decks of Armoured Gideon, Shadows, Universal Soldier, and Chronos Carnival, then we'll bring in Harlem Heroes, Rogue Trooper, Medivac 318, and Rogue Trooper!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2020, 06:06:45 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/n8XkENf.png)

It's the sixth part of the Starlordathon! The final four hours and issues 19-22! If you want to check out visuals for the stream, head over to our YouTube Channel, where individual episodes will be uploaded shortly. 

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And come back next week for our Starlord in review show, THE LORDIES!
We'd love to hear your nominations for:
-Best Art
-Best Writing
-Best Blueprint
-MVP

We'd love to hear what you think and if you get it in by the weekend we'll read it on the show!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 09 September, 2020, 09:19:54 AM
Sorry for bringing up old stuff, but I couldn't let you go with describing Prog 678's cover as 'Dredd on a stained glass window with some other stuff'. It's a pastiche of Gilbert and George, an artist/couple who will definitely tick your box of 'weird British shit I never knew I didn't even know about'.

https://www.artimage.org.uk/news/2017/white-cube-celebrates-50-years-of-gilbert-george/ (https://www.artimage.org.uk/news/2017/white-cube-celebrates-50-years-of-gilbert-george/)

I don't think it's their faces on the Prog cover - I guess maybe Hine and design droid Steve Cook?
Anyway, I remember my Dad being dead excited to explain this bit of art trivia to me and my brother when the Prog came through that week.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 09 September, 2020, 09:52:36 AM
Gilbert and George were very much in the minds eye of the uk at the time as they recently(ish) won the Turner Prize (a major uk art prize) and were still getting a lot of Media attention from that. Very much at the vanguard of the then new (I think) 'Oh how is that art' movement the general public was led into by the British Media. Though their thunder would be stolen by the likes of Tracey Emminen with 'My Bed' a few years later.

My reaction to these pieces? Love Gilbert and Geroge's stuff. The thing that struck me most about 'My Bed' when I saw it a few years back was how smelly it was!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 September, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 09 September, 2020, 09:19:54 AM
Sorry for bringing up old stuff, but I couldn't let you go with describing Prog 678's cover as 'Dredd on a stained glass window with some other stuff'. It's a pastiche of Gilbert and George, an artist/couple who will definitely tick your box of 'weird British shit I never knew I didn't even know about'.

https://www.artimage.org.uk/news/2017/white-cube-celebrates-50-years-of-gilbert-george/ (https://www.artimage.org.uk/news/2017/white-cube-celebrates-50-years-of-gilbert-george/)

I don't think it's their faces on the Prog cover - I guess maybe Hine and design droid Steve Cook?
Anyway, I remember my Dad being dead excited to explain this bit of art trivia to me and my brother when the Prog came through that week.

I realize my error and mention this on an upcoming episode!

Also, the above direct link doesn't anymore, please use this one to see the completion of our Starlord Coverage!
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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 09 September, 2020, 05:40:57 PM
Thanks Conrad.

THE LORDIES!

-Best Art
I liked Ian Kennedy's work on Robusters best and it is reminiscent of the work he would later do on the new Eagle's Dan Dare.

-Best Writing
John Wagner on Strontium Dog

-Best Blueprint
Strontium Dog

-MVP
Kelvin Gosnell. Star Lord was his idea and even though his original plan was sabotaged by management decisions he still managed to get a decent product out that benefited 2000ad when they merged.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 September, 2020, 09:13:52 AM
Here's the list - though I'm going entirely from Barney during my break at work, so apologises if there's any missed out.  Annuals and Special aren't included at all because Barney acknowledges they exist but that's it.  Names you don't recognise are probably cover artists.
disclaimer: I've not tried unpicking pseudonyms on this one, so some creators may be included under different names.

Artists
Ramon Sola
Carlos Ezquerra
Ian Kennedy
John Cooper
Magallanes Salinas
Carlos Pino
Horacio Lalia
Pena
Alfonso Azpiri
Brian Bolland
Jesus Redondo
Ian Gibson
Dave Gibbons
Kevin O'Neill
Mike White
Brian Lewis
Graham Cotton
Jose Casanovas
Jose Luis Ferrer
Alberto Salinas
John Higgins
Brendan McCarthy

Writers
John Wagner
Chris Lowder
I Mennell
Pat Mills
Alan Hebden
Bill Henry

Blueprints
Strontium Dog
Max Quirxx
Papa Por-ka
No Cure for Kansyr
Planet of the Dead
Two-Faced Terror
Demon Maker
The Brain
Time Quake
Ro-Busters
The North Sea Tunnel
The Preying Mantis
Midpoint
The Ritz Space Hotel
Farnborough Droid Show
Massacre on the Moon
The Tax Man Cometh!
Planet of the Damned
Mind Wars
Good Morning, Sheldon, I Love You!
Holocaust
Earn Big Money While You Sleep!
The Snatch
Skirmish!


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 10 September, 2020, 10:06:33 AM
-Best Art
A tie up between ian kennedy and john cooper on time quake a great wee strip which sadly got nudged out of top by its bigger meaner brothers. so i give the art team a nod

-Best Writing
John Wagner on Strontium Dog it may be early days for alpha and co but you can see the seed of what will become a legendary run

-Best Blueprint
Strontium Dog but i will admit it was hard choosing between this and ro-busters you can understand why they were chosen to go to the prog once the merge happened

-MVP
Kelvin Gosnell. solidarity on whizzbangs reasoning
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 10 September, 2020, 08:03:14 PM
-Best Art
Carlos or Jesus?  Carlos or Jesus?  Don't make me choose..... in the end Carlos was bigger than Jesus, but just looking at Starlord in isolation.... don't make me choose....... gah! Carlos of course, those colour spreads are peak Stront, so peak thrill power.... If Redondo had been given some colour it could well have gone the other way, mind.

-Best Writing
John Wagner on Strontium Dog.  There are one or two mis-steps in early Strontium Dog - the genocide of the Jox making Alpha out to be a right sap (and some Gronk cruelty too) - but otherwise, it is incredible how well formed the strip is from page 1.

-Best Blueprint
What else could it be but Strontium Dog?   I have doubts I'd still be hanging around the comic if it wasnt for Strontium Dog

-MVP
Alan Hebden - for good or ill, the burden to fill pages seems to have fallen on Hebden, and I can forgive a Holocaust when he delivers a Mind Wars - baby steps towards a slightly older audience, perhaps, but it feels like he has run with Gosnell's original vision of the comic more than most
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 September, 2020, 05:04:26 AM
Thanks everyone for your votes, and once more for Sheridan for tabulating all the thrills!

(https://i.imgur.com/1d05vwR.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and twenty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 684-687 of 2000AD, covering June & July 1990. This episode the Harlem Heroes go on the run, Rogue Trooper learns the truth, Medivac 318 deals with civil unrest, Judge Dredd welcomes back an old friend, and Strontium Dog makes the ultimate sacrifice.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 14 September, 2020, 11:00:42 AM
and keep your ears peeled in a few weeks for the tragic story of how one of these issues turned out to be my first ever issue of 2000ad period :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 14 September, 2020, 07:34:57 PM
So now Fox has seen the end of the Final Solution, is it time for him to watch the Spaced episode that references that moment?

I was going to look for a video clip of the scene, but couldn't find it.  I did find this though (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rz0vCUovaA).  (it's a band called The Death of Johnny Alpha - not listened to it yet, because I'm still listening to today's podcast).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 14 September, 2020, 08:04:10 PM
I hear the Doghouse echoing tonight,
But only hear whispers of three mutie na-a-ation
The moonlit wings reflect the Lyran stars that guide muties towards salvation
I stopped a blind man on the way
Hoping to find some old forgotten spells or ancient conjuring

The wild Dogs cry out in the night
As they grow restless, longing for some Stontium company
I know that I must do what's right
As sure as the Doghouse rises like revenge above Salisbury Cathedral
I seek to cure what's deep inside, frightened of this thing that I've become

Hurry Dog, its waiting there for you

It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred Kreelers or more could ever do
I bless the blood sacrifice down in New Britain
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 14 September, 2020, 08:04:33 PM
Given how long it's taken to get done, maybe the "Finally" Solution is appropriate....

And even with taking this long, how bloody random is the wrap up (Alpha's death notwithstanding)?

The Mutant majority Countries arent just going to stand by? This really doesnt go anywhere or add anything as far as I can tell.  The Doghouse blows up conveniently above the villains, McNulty conveniently blows up the other villain, for a 28(?) part story, the loose ends are more snipped than tied.  But as you get across well, the handling of Alpha's actual death, or at least the manner in which we flashback over his life, is very well handled.... Just a shame that (once again) they had no clear plan - see original Hit Era Rogue Trooper before it and the current Friday Rogue Trooper reboot for more of the same.  I love me some Steve MacManus, but his claim that at the time he didn't really see the damage in killing off Alpha as his eyes were focused on how comics were supposedly growing up over in Crisis and (putting some words into his mouth here admittedly) this was just some kids thing from a redundant era... gah!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 September, 2020, 06:04:35 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 14 September, 2020, 08:04:10 PM
I bless the blood sacrifice down in New Britain

This is excellent!

Quote from: Leigh S on 14 September, 2020, 08:04:33 PM
Given how long it's taken to get done, maybe the "Finally" Solution is appropriate....

And even with taking this long, how bloody random is the wrap up (Alpha's death notwithstanding)?

It is a bit of a quick wrapup after all the time we spent getting there (I've just read End of Days so I might be grading on a curve here) But also I could see Sagan et al not anticipating that international mutants might not be happy about his plan, we definitely criticized it as he rolled it out, I think he had the fanatic's problem of not really thinking his plan through. For the general handling of Alpha's death, I'd try to make an excuse that generally comics storytelling is a bit by the seat of their pants in this era, but the year-long build, climax, and aftermath of Necropolis sort of shows the lie there.

(https://i.imgur.com/qE2sbvU.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and twenty third episode we're taking a look at the 1991 Rogue Trooper Annual, the first and only Rogue annual! While it does feature some classic Rogue tales, this is very much a coming out party for the new Friday version of Rogue Trooper, as written by Michael Fleisher!

This episode Conrad is joined by Sheridan of the Back Prog Hack Blog! Every day Sheridan reviews some classic 2000AD content, usually a prog, but he's also covered Starlord, Tornado, and even thrill related albums! You can find it in this very forum! (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=42158.0)

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 18 September, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
Yeah, GFD (acronym!) got so much shit talk over the years, but no one else ever made Rogue work (except where sticking fairly closely to his template) - we won't get into the Acronym for Michael Fleischer....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 September, 2020, 06:34:42 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/L7xi1fU.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and twenty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 688-691 of 2000AD, covering July & August 1990. This episode Dredd is up a creek WITH a paddle, the Harlem Heroes are making strange alliances, Medivac is going even deeper undercover, Dry Run debuts and gets weird, and The Horned God returns for some bad-ass battles!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 21 September, 2020, 06:54:41 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 18 September, 2020, 01:07:52 PM
...we won't get into the Acronym for Michael Fleischer....

This really happened at a Scottish University:

- Boss: We've decided to alter the grading scheme from "A, B, C, D, F" to "A, B, C, D, MF, F".
- Me: You can't call them that!

(It stood for "Marginal Fail", and meant "Fail, but only just!" Like a nice fail. For mofos.)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 21 September, 2020, 04:01:22 PM
Often in the 90s it felt like I'd missed an episode of a story between progs - Dry Run is the only story that made me feel like I'd often missed an episode between panels.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 26 September, 2020, 08:41:38 AM
Glad you did the Apocalypse War in the Primer!

The invisible  garroting in Block Mania was due to some last minute censorship I believe - can't have the kids all rabbing the nearest length of piano wire....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 September, 2020, 06:27:37 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 26 September, 2020, 08:41:38 AM
Glad you did the Apocalypse War in the Primer!

The invisible  garroting in Block Mania was due to some last minute censorship I believe - can't have the kids all rabbing the nearest length of piano wire....
Thanks! Hopefully the reduced Necropolis recap still makes sense!

(https://i.imgur.com/lge10Ba.jpg)
In our thrilling two hundred and twenty-fifth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1990 2000AD Annual.  This is the fourteenth and final 2000AD Annual, and this time we're rocking the Gasbah with new stories from Judge Dredd, Strontium Dog, Night Zero, and the final Moon Runners adventure! (For real this time)

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Richard S. on 28 September, 2020, 06:45:13 AM
thanks for the invite to be on the show - it was a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Richard S. on 29 September, 2020, 07:06:40 AM
Here are some of the links to topics that we discuss at the start of the show...

Telethon Dredd...
https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/04/loadsa-funnies-part-2-judge-dredd.html  (https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/04/loadsa-funnies-part-2-judge-dredd.html)

Girl comic annuals
https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/09/updated-girl-comic-spin-off-annuals.html  (https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/09/updated-girl-comic-spin-off-annuals.html)

Fleetway annual flyers
https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/08/fleetway-annual-flyers.html  (https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/08/fleetway-annual-flyers.html)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Richard S. on 30 September, 2020, 02:02:59 PM
and Dan Abnett's work on TV tie-in comics (for Marvel UK)

https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/search/label/Dan%20Abnett  (https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/search/label/Dan%20Abnett)

plus this is the '2000AD artists drawing Warhammer' piece we mentioned

https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/06/warhammer-monthly-comics-focus-on-other.html  (https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/06/warhammer-monthly-comics-focus-on-other.html)

and 2000AD artists drawing 'Inferno' magazine covers
https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/07/inferno-magazine-2000ad-artists.html  (https://boysadventurecomics.blogspot.com/2020/07/inferno-magazine-2000ad-artists.html)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 October, 2020, 06:52:36 AM
Thanks again Richard, love seeing all this classic stuff! Speaking of which...

(https://i.imgur.com/029vkWF.jpg)
In our thrilling two hundred and twenty-sixth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1990 Judge Dredd Annual.  This is the eleventh and final Dredd Annual, and features a truly amazing Judge Dredd/Strontium Dog crossover, and extremely early work from future master script droid Dan Abnett!

This time I'm joined by our own THE MONARCH!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 02 October, 2020, 07:43:28 AM
it was an absolute blast to finally spill the beans of my origins of how i got to be the guy i am today!

heres a link to my lets play channel which should eventually be home to the mind the oranges marlon podcast if me and kaz ever find the lost episodes of it. saying that we do plan to record an episode on the first two issues of the uk sonic the comic which snatched me away from 2000ad during the early 90s soon

https://https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9eJnRedAJcUSWu9qMoWDkw/videos (https://https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9eJnRedAJcUSWu9qMoWDkw/videos)

again it was an absolute thrill to be on the pod for the third time lets hope theres a forth in the future :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 October, 2020, 06:45:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VMKKZ0g.jpg)

IT'S OUR FOUR YEAR ANNIVERSARY! FOUR YEARS OF SPACE SPINNER 2000, FOR REAL THIS TIME!

In our thrilling two hundred and twenty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 692-695 of 2000AD, covering August & September of 1990. This episode we'll say good bye to Medivac 318, at least one Harlem Hero, and several villains in Judge Dredd and Sláine, and hello to both Chronos Carnival and to Dry Run's little friend!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 05 October, 2020, 09:47:55 AM
Catching up on old stuff here, but you know that Rogue Trooper movie mentioned in the RT Annual?
Could this be the film that ended up as Paul WS Anderson's 'Soldier' later in the 90s? I know that's more-or-less acknowledged to be a Rogue Trooper adaptation, and if anything it's based on the War Machine idea of a super soldier being sent to a battleworld and then has to face off against a new, improved but soul-less new super-soldier.

I actually saw Harley Cokeliss at a Q&A screening of Battletruck but I don't remember him fielding any questions about it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 05 October, 2020, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: AlexF on 05 October, 2020, 09:47:55 AM
Catching up on old stuff here, but you know that Rogue Trooper movie mentioned in the RT Annual?
Could this be the film that ended up as Paul WS Anderson's 'Soldier' later in the 90s? I know that's more-or-less acknowledged to be a Rogue Trooper adaptation, and if anything it's based on the War Machine idea of a super soldier being sent to a battleworld and then has to face off against a new, improved but soul-less new super-soldier.

I actually saw Harley Cokeliss at a Q&A screening of Battletruck but I don't remember him fielding any questions about it.

Interesting - it's not a film I've seen so don't have a frame of reference on how close a rip-off it is.  Are we talking Robocop or Hardware levels?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 05 October, 2020, 02:38:09 PM
Oh, not at close as either of those. He (Kurt Russell in this case) isn't even blue!
But he is a genetically engineered soldier with more of a conscience than his superiors would like...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 October, 2020, 04:25:36 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 05 October, 2020, 09:47:55 AM
Catching up on old stuff here, but you know that Rogue Trooper movie mentioned in the RT Annual?
Could this be the film that ended up as Paul WS Anderson's 'Soldier' later in the 90s? I know that's more-or-less acknowledged to be a Rogue Trooper adaptation, and if anything it's based on the War Machine idea of a super soldier being sent to a battleworld and then has to face off against a new, improved but soul-less new super-soldier.

I actually saw Harley Cokeliss at a Q&A screening of Battletruck but I don't remember him fielding any questions about it.

Soldier, a movie that made me famous among my friends because I once did a tight five making fun of the concept of a "garbage planet" which features heavily in the movie's plot. For the record though, using a planet with a breathable atmosphere to dump all your trash is stupid, if you can move trash from one planet to another why not just dump it into the sun?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 06 October, 2020, 09:24:53 AM
"For the record though, using a planet with a breathable atmosphere to dump all your trash is stupid, if you can move trash from one planet to another why not just dump it into the sun?"

Because then where would you send Universal Soldier to have fun adventures while you're having important boardroom meetings?!? You gotta have a handy trash planet saved up for special occasions.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 October, 2020, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 06 October, 2020, 09:24:53 AM
"For the record though, using a planet with a breathable atmosphere to dump all your trash is stupid, if you can move trash from one planet to another why not just dump it into the sun?"

Because then where would you send Universal Soldier to have fun adventures while you're having important boardroom meetings?!? You gotta have a handy trash planet saved up for special occasions.
The fact that it prevents Universal Solider plots is, if anything, an additional bonus! :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 October, 2020, 04:18:53 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and twenty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 696-699 of 2000AD, covering September & October 1990. This episode we're at the end of a bunch of major thrills, Necropolis AND The Horned God end! As do Dry Run and Chronos Carnival, but those are a bit less noteworthy.

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And stay tuned for the rest of the week, as we'll have the final Primer on Wednesday and the premiere of Big Meg One on Friday!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 12 October, 2020, 04:29:17 AM
hey look at that you managed not to make the final primer a spoiler after all!

everything may end this issue but harlem heroes will never die. like that one turd stuck to your shoe its gonna be sticking to you for ages
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 October, 2020, 07:02:43 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 12 October, 2020, 04:29:17 AM
hey look at that you managed not to make the final primer a spoiler after all!

everything may end this issue but harlem heroes will never die. like that one turd stuck to your shoe its gonna be sticking to you for ages

Two more episodes of increasingly grumpy Harlem Heroes coverage to go! (for now)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 October, 2020, 06:23:51 PM
Holy crap, did I not post this yet!?!

(https://i.imgur.com/Delu8qp.jpg)

BIG MEG ONE IS HERE!

In our mega first episode Eli and Conrad begin their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with the first issue of the Judge Dredd Megazine, cover date October 1990. We'll also discuss the history of potential Judge Dredd comics, and generally get started for this amazing adventure!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 18 October, 2020, 06:36:43 PM
I was wondering why it wasn't posted here already
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 October, 2020, 05:56:09 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and twenty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 700-703 of 2000AD, covering October & November 1990. This episode we've hit a big milestone and it's time for a big relaunch! Two new stories, two new thrills, and the Harlem Heroes keep rolling along!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 October, 2020, 03:32:15 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and thirtieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 704-707 of 2000AD, covering November & December 1990. This episode...aw jeez, what happened to my XXXXX rated movie?

Notes: Conrad is aware that Caligula wasn't actually rated X, and that Lord Kitchener is the UK Uncle Sam, not the US one. No need to write in about it!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 26 October, 2020, 01:46:12 PM
aw fox you poor sweet summer child.....

we should be due the 1990 spinnies soon shouldn't we?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 26 October, 2020, 06:44:04 PM
'Put the cat amongst the pigeons' is indeed an expression that is similar to 'throw a spanner in the works'. Here is an excellent usage of this phase from Billy The Fish: https://youtu.be/eHgJW8q8BrY?t=255 (https://youtu.be/eHgJW8q8BrY?t=252)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 October, 2020, 07:24:48 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 26 October, 2020, 06:44:04 PM
'Put the cat amongst the pigeons' is indeed an expression that is similar to 'throw a spanner in the works'. Here is an excellent usage of this phase from Billy The Fish: https://youtu.be/eHgJW8q8BrY?t=255 (https://youtu.be/eHgJW8q8BrY?t=252)
EVERY TIME it's a pop culture quote! :D

Quote from: The Monarch on 26 October, 2020, 01:46:12 PM
aw fox you poor sweet summer child.....

we should be due the 1990 spinnies soon shouldn't we?
Indeed! We're two weeks away from BOTH the 1990 Spinnies and the similar award show for Big Meg One, THE MEGGIES! Start getting your awards together now!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 October, 2020, 03:45:49 AM
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In our mega second episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with issues 2 and 3 of the Judge Dredd Megazine, cover dates November and December 1990. This Episode Midnite's children finish hunting, death comes to Drongo Springs, Judge Death rents a room, Kenny Who? is heading home, and America gets radicalized!


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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 30 October, 2020, 12:20:26 PM
Michael Carroll has just posted an interview with Steve Dillon which (from context) must have been conducted just after the first Meg came out - and features the first twelve pages of the Dredd story!
linky (https://michaelowencarroll.wordpress.com/2020/10/30/retro-interview-steve-dillon-1990/)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 November, 2020, 05:03:21 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and thirty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 708-711 of 2000AD, covering December 1990. This episode the year is ending so it's time to clear the decks! It's the end of Time Flies, Silo, and Anderson, and it's gonna be action packed and emotional!

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ALSO! We've now reached the end of 1990 in our timeline, and that means it's time for a year in review! We're doing award episodes for both Space Spinner 2000 AND Big Meg One this time, the Spinnies and the Meggies! We wanna hear what you liked for each publication!
For 2000AD:
For the Megazine:
Send in your thoughts for both shows by November 8th and we'll read them on the show! See you at the Spinnies!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 November, 2020, 12:22:11 PM
2000AD

Best Art

Jeff Anderson
Mick Austin
Massimo Belardinelli
Simon Bisley
Philip Bond
Gary Caldwell
Simon Coleby
Steve Cook
Carl Critchlow
Dave D'Antiquis
Steve Dillon
Nigel Dobbyn
Richard Elson
Carlos Ezquerra
Martin Griffiths
Mike Hadley
Simon Harrison
Jamie Hewlett
Graham Higgins
David Hine
Kev Hopgood
Simon Jacob
Colin MacNeil
Paul Marshall
Jim McCarthy
Jim Murray
Tim Perkins (colouring droid)
Arthur Ranson
John Ridgeway
David Roach
Cliff Robinson
Zac Sandler
Will Simpson
Ron Smith
Kevin Walker
Chris Weston
Art Wetherall
Anthony Williams
Steve Yeowell


Best Writing
Heath Ackley
Nicholas Barber
John Brosnan
Paul Carstairs
Garth Ennis
Michael Fleisher
Dave Gibbons
Alan McKenzie
Mark Millar
Peter Milligan
Pat Mills
Grant Morrison
Ian Rimmer
Hilary Robinson
Gordon Robson
John Smith
John Tomlinson
Tise Vahimagi
John Wagner
Brian Williamson

Best Overall Thrill
Armoured Gideon

Bix Barton
Barton's Beasts

Bradley
Bradley Meets Jason Donovan (almost)
Bradley Goes Gothic
Bradley Goes Gigging
Bradley Goes Mental

Chopper
Song of the Surfer

Chronos Carnival
Chronos Carnival
Caverns of Colony Five

The Dead Man

Dry Run

Indigo Prime
Winwood and Cord
Fegredo and Brecht

Judge Anderson
The Screaming Skull
Shamballa
Engram

Judge Dredd
A Letter to Judge Dredd
Tale of the Dead Man
By Lethal Injection
Dear Annie
Necropolis
Theatre of Death
Nightmares
Wot I Did During Necropolis
The Revised Macbeth
Death Aid

Junker

Medivac 318
Arcturus

Nemesis & Deadlock
Warlocks and Wizards

Night Zero
Beyond Zero

Rogue Trooper
The War Machine
Golden Fox Rebellion

Shadows

Silo

Sláine
The Horned God Book II
The Horned God Book III

Strontium Dog
The Final Solution: Replay
The Final Solution Part 2

Tharg's Future Shocks
A Step Further
War and Peace
The Mirror
Thanks for the Memories
Guilt
Termination Explanation
The Dawn of the Loch Ness Monster
Big, Bigger, Biggest BOMB!
Killer Pigeons from Hell
Sleighbells in the Sky
Digby Trench, Come on Down

Time Flies

Universal Soldier
Universal Soldier II

Zenith
Phase 3: War in Heaven

Zippy Couriers
Mascot
Shelob

Best Month of Progs :)
January
February
March
April
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December

Best Year of 2000AD
1977
1978
1979
1980
1981
1982
1983
1984
1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
1990
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 November, 2020, 12:25:01 PM
Megazine

Best Art
Colin MacNeil
John McCrea
Peter Doherty
Cam Kennedy
Jim Baikie
Glenn Fabry
Sean Phillips
Duncan Fegredo

Best Writing
John Wagner
Alan Grant
Garth Ennis

Best Overall Story

Young Death: Boyhood of a Superfiend

Beyond Our Kenny

Chopper
Earth, Wind & Fire

America

Judge Dredd
Midnite's Children

Best Year of the Megazine
1990
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 November, 2020, 12:30:20 PM
My Megazine votes - John Wagner, Colin MacNeil, America, 1990.  We'd had hints* of it before, but we'd never seen the Mega-City One system quite like this before.

.

* The Democracy storyline wasn't exactly a hint, but it was still told from Justice Department's point of view even if it wasn't exactly a sympathetic portrayal.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 November, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
2000AD.
Best art: King Carlos - I'm not a colour-for-colours sake kind of person, but fully painted Carlos art?  Yes please!  I'd be tempted by Bisley's work on Horned God Books Two and Three, but I prefer the art on the first book, and I think this is the best art we'll see from Carlos (computer-coloured art is great and all - after the learning curve - but still not a patch on the brushwork).  Was also tempted by Macneil's work on Song of the Surfer.

Best writing: John Wagner or Pat Mills, for the stories in my next vote.

Best overall thrill: I can't decide between Judge Dredd: Necropolis and Sláine The Horned God, and you can't make me!  Both are the resolution of long-running story threads (in the case of the latter, the end of the story which began with the debut in The Time Monster).

Best month: whichever one had the Dead Man reveal - unless that was the previous year in which case I don't know.

Best year: 1983, as ever.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 November, 2020, 05:43:15 PM
SORRY! DON'T FORGET TO NOMINATE AN MVP FOR BOTH 2000AD AND THE MEGAZINE!

Also thanks to Sheridan for the cataloging, as always!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 November, 2020, 05:45:15 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 02 November, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
2000AD.
Best art: King Carlos - I'm not a colour-for-colours sake kind of person, but fully painted Carlos art?  Yes please!  I'd be tempted by Bisley's work on Horned God Books Two and Three, but I prefer the art on the first book, and I think this is the best art we'll see from Carlos (computer-coloured art is great and all - after the learning curve - but still not a patch on the brushwork).  Was also tempted by Macneil's work on Song of the Surfer.

Best writing: John Wagner or Pat Mills, for the stories in my next vote.

Best overall thrill: I can't decide between Judge Dredd: Necropolis and Sláine The Horned God, and you can't make me!  Both are the resolution of long-running story threads (in the case of the latter, the end of the story which began with the debut in The Time Monster).

Best month: whichever one had the Dead Man reveal - unless that was the previous year in which case I don't know.

Best year: 1983, as ever.
Right in January! What a year it's been!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 02 November, 2020, 10:40:49 PM
  Best Art: I so wanted to say Chris weston for the second year in a row but nah his (killing)time will come in 91. But no its gotta be king carlos hasen't it? pulling for the second time ever a non broken run of dredds
   
Best Writing Grant morrison continuing to murder our childhoods with much glee. if you did not have tears for big ben then what can i say you are a goddamn monster

Best Overall Thrill Chopper song of the surfer....he should have stayed dead

Best Month of Progs January was a blinder this year

mvp Hilary robinson. She was a fun writer in a time where everyone was either dying in their strips or going into dark places. Since shes now gone from the prog its likely the only time i can vote for her.

As per usual in lieu of best year its time for the award that conrad hates me doing but it will continue to appear as long as those drawers in the nerve centre are filled with crud its the rick.....no no no no i can't use that one anymore its the 90s....its time for the Michael L. Fleisher award for least best strip and how could it not be the ill advised reboot of the harlem heroes. it went on for way too long and felt like it was never gonna piss off.

and now for the megazine

artist: Colin Macneil for his service to not only america but putting johnny out of his misery and almost doing the same for chopper

writer: there can only be one winner of this one John wagner himself.

story: yup its america it cannot be stated how important this series is to the point its still being felt in 2020.

mvp: tied due to the importance of both john wagner and alan grant without whom this early stretch of the meg likely wouldn't be as strong as it was.

You think you can escape it? i am afraid not its the -walter t wobot- award for least best strip and if i haden't already made it clear before it goes to chopper. He died....he will always be dead at the end of that finishing line. he should have stayed dead and the meg strip is terrible. special mention though to mega city news which is neither a strip or as funny as it thinks it is.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 03 November, 2020, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 November, 2020, 05:43:15 PM
SORRY! DON'T FORGET TO NOMINATE AN MVP FOR BOTH 2000AD AND THE MEGAZINE!

Also thanks to Sheridan for the cataloging, as always!

Well, in that case it makes some of my choices easier - I can pick John Wagner for 2000AD for writer and Pat Mills for MVP, for the reasons I was vacillating between the two above (though it'd be tempting to pick Colin MacNeil too for killing off long-running characters... with style).

For the Meg, MVP to Cam for great brushwork.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 03 November, 2020, 11:58:28 AM
2000AD

Best Art

So tough - The Mighty Yeowell is magnificent. Colin MacNeil just grows before our eyes on Song of the Surfer, David D'Antiquis for Silo and its really hard not to give it to Arthur Ranson for Shamballa but I'll go Jamie Hewlett just because its so fresh and different.


Best Writing

Honourable mentions to Wagner and Grant on their seperate strips but this one goes to Peter Milligan for the wonderfully different Shadows and Hewligan's Haircut

Best Overall Thrill

Honourable mentions for Hewligan's Haircut, Song of the Surfer, Shadows, Silo, half of Zenith Phase 3 and great Dredd but this one goes to Anderson - Shamballa all the way

Best Month of Progs

November - Its an inconsistent year so the highs a lows here really sum the year up. Okay we have Harlem Heroes and Time Flies but we also get the highest highs great Dredd, the wonderfully different Hewligan's Haircut and of course Shamballa my favourite of the year. Add to that Silo starting - I'm a big fan of that creepy classic and that's an interesting month.


Best Year of 2000AD - This one isn't going to change for a long time yet!

1986

MVP

Again I'll go with impact rather than positive value and for good or ill (well its probably a lot of both) I think we really start the feel the massive impact of Igor Goldkind on Tharg's kingdom and for all the issues I might have he did really try to shake things up and explore new avenues for thrillpower.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 04 November, 2020, 01:28:48 AM
Michael Fleischer certainly has an iron grip on bottom thrill! It's going to be a titanic head-to-head struggle soon when he has two strips going on at the same time...

As for the Spinnies:

Artist – Carlos Ezquerra, for 31 consecutive episodes of pure class, can't be anybody else.

Writer – John Wagner, for the whole Dead Man / Road to Necropolis / Necropolis arc. Masterful stuff: I remember how thrilling it was at the time. That said, I like the build-up to Necropolis better than Necropolis itself: for a 26-part story, not much actually happens in it (compare it to the Cursed Earth, Judge Child, Apocalypse War...). So for...

Top Thrill, I'm going for the Horned God. What can I say that hasn't already been said?

MVP is a tricky one, without just picking one of those guys again. So I'm going to go for Arthur Ranson, not so much for this year, but in advance recognition: I think he might be my MVP of the 'dark ages' of 2000AD, which for me are roughly 700-949, and he gets off to a fantastic start this year, with Shamballa being perhaps the most beautiful art we've ever seen in the Prog.

Megazine Artist – Cam Kennedy: love his Dredd, and this subject matter really suits him, obviously, denying America a clean sweep (I'm not a huge fan of early Colin McNeil – although I love his current, more minimalist style)

Megazine Writer – John Wagner for America. As you guys said on the podcast, he really steps it up in this story: and he was already pretty good!

Megazine Top Thrill – Difficult not to pick America. Similarly...

Megazine MVP – not very imaginative of me, but it's got to be John Wagner again. He was the indisputably the Man, in those first years of the Megazine.

Best year and month just too hard... the year that Prog 335 was in!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 04 November, 2020, 11:37:00 AM
Meggies

Best Art

Colin MacNeil s going to do fine by himself so I'll use my vote to salute an often overlooked star of 2000ad Jim Baikie. One the absolute best.


Best Writing

Where as here I think its really hard to look beyond John Wagner.


Best Overall Story

Its such a strong opening line up, but across all the years of 2000ad and the Meg there are few stories, if any that top America.

Best Year of the Megazine

1990 'cos ya know...

MVP

While John Wagner clearly gets a lot of credit I think this one has to go to Steve McManus for finally getting the comic across the line and (I think if I recall the hisstory correctly) getting a right deals for creators meaning they got top talent and John Wagner onboard for the launch.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 04 November, 2020, 01:52:29 PM
 Best Art: In an exceptionally strong field, it's still Carlos by a country mile for the pure spectacle of his achievement on Necropolis (plus countdown)
   
Best Writing: similarly, Mllls is putting up great competition here with Slaine as is Morrison with Zenith. But John Wagner's craft is so strong, reaching a whole other level.  Even more impressive when you consider his disillusionment with how he was being treated at this time (unless John Sanders had placated him regards the creators share of the profits at this point?)

Best Overall Thrill: Necropolis is such an achievement and provides a reliable spine of quality for the comic just at the right time.

Best Month of Progs: January continued that incredible run from the end of 1989 - cracks start to show for me and it's a helter skelter ride downwards for my enjoyment of the prog.  Start the year with the lead in to Necropolis, Chopper, Slaine and Zenith?  End it with Time Flies, Silo, and the Fleischer one-two punch of Harlem Heroes and Junker? Kill off my favourite character as you go?  That felt like a real unprecedented dive in quality, with only Necropolis and Slaine keeping me hopeful at the latter end of 1990.


MVP: The Megazine itself! If you want to give it to a person, then Steve MacManus for his part in finally getting the Meg up and running.


Best year.... 1984! 

as for the megazine

artist: Colin Macneil deserves a shout out for America, though it's proably just as much for Chopper and Stront (though it was infuriating that he landed at the end of the strip when he if anyone could have made it his own it was he)


writer:  John Wagner again. nuff said!

story: the double whammy of Necropolis and America would have been a great end to Wagners time on Dredd, but so much more stellar writing to come from him.

mvp: The Megazine itself - Just as the prog dropped off a cliff for me, along came the Megazine to keep me engaged in 2000AD at a time when I might have been better served spending my creds on beer....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 04 November, 2020, 02:12:28 PM
For the Prog:
Best Art: Will Simpson on the War Machine. War is indeed Hell.
Best Writing: John Wagner no contest
Best overall thrill: Necropolisssssssss
Best Month: January
Best Year (since 1987): 1988
MVP: the front cover! Some crackers in 1990, especially by David Hine

For the Meg:
Stop it, you're being silly, you can't run an awards show based on three issues of a comic! Drokking hell!
That said, I will name my MVP as Judge Death - it's his story that got young me, age 12, to buy issue 1 on the newstands. I stayed for the nudity in America.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 13 November, 2020, 05:57:29 AM
I'm falling behind! Enjoy this double post!
(https://i.imgur.com/p4McBm2.jpg)
In our thrilling two hundred and thirty-third episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1990. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1990 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1991 from both 2000AD and our show!

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In our mega third episode Eli and Conrad take a break from monthly megazines to reminisce on the whole of the Judge Dredd Megazine for the year 1990. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1990 Meggies! At the end of every chronological year in our meg timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1991 from both the Megazine and our show!

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Also a quick note: We'll be putting out new episodes every other week for the rest of the year, but don't worry, we'll have some piping hot collection episodes for you in the meantime!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 13 November, 2020, 09:50:55 AM
I mean, if anyone's earned a bit of a break it's you guys!
And frankly it'll give me a chance to play catch-up. I know there's no actual reason why us mere listeners should be on top of these things but it's nice to try.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 13 November, 2020, 09:53:47 AM
Yeah I've not been running this week (due to teeth surgury pain) and so have got a little behind so this was actually well timed!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 November, 2020, 05:22:20 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and thirty-second episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1990 Winter Special of 2000AD. This is a Laff-o-Rama special, with jokes and silliness aplenty! Or at least that's the idea. Will they succeed? We'll find out together!

This episode Conrad is joined by friend of the show Graham Cannon, who was a great sport about rerecording this episode after there was a recording error with the first one, which is why this episode is coming out two weeks late!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 16 November, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
Not enough droid puns.  I'm sure forumites will chip* in.



* chip is my starter for ten.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2020, 09:04:02 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 November, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
Not enough droid puns.  I'm sure forumites will chip* in.



* chip is my starter for ten.

Hey we don't want to become the 'bot of some joke...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 16 November, 2020, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2020, 09:04:02 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 November, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
Not enough droid puns.  I'm sure forumites will chip* in.

* chip is my starter for ten.

Hey we don't want to become the 'bot of some joke...

Play along and I'm sure you'll disk-over a sensor humour.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2020, 01:16:13 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 November, 2020, 01:03:47 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2020, 09:04:02 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 16 November, 2020, 09:02:18 AM
Not enough droid puns.  I'm sure forumites will chip* in.

* chip is my starter for ten.

Hey we don't want to become the 'bot of some joke...

Don't be too hard-driving your point home.

Play along and I'm sure you'll disk-over a sensor humour.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 November, 2020, 05:27:36 PM
I meant to say that Burt goes from Sub-Editor Android to Sub-Editor PUNdroid!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 17 November, 2020, 04:15:14 PM
god fuck fervent and lobe thank god other than non speaking cameos in indigo prime they never show up again
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 November, 2020, 05:35:44 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and thirty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 712-715 of 2000AD, covering January 1991. This episode Conrad and Fox have switched places once more! Can Fox hope to contain a rowdy and belligerent Conrad? We'll find out. Stay tuned to the end to hear Conrad's drunken mythology!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 23 November, 2020, 06:17:24 AM
IT BEGINS
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 26 November, 2020, 09:06:56 PM
Happy Thanksgiving, Conrad.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/fa8f6c4f1bb886727af577ff224c8ede/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 December, 2020, 08:57:26 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and thirty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 716-719 of 2000AD, covering February 1991. This episode we take a break from Death Aid, Anderson is seeing ghosts, Brigand Doom is having a gas, Friday goes kill crazy, and Danzig Inferno is gonna freak you out!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 December, 2020, 07:08:37 PM
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Happy Holidays! I scheduled this episode incorrectly so it's coming out a little early :D Also stay tuned for some extra content over the next week or so as I finally get my act together!

In our mega fourth episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with issues 4 and five of the Judge Dredd Megazine, cover dates January and February 1991. This episode we'll conclude Midnite's Children, go on the town with Chopper, reunite with America, learn some Judge Death Dog training tips, and celebrate the conception of Al's Baby. Mazel tov!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 December, 2020, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 December, 2020, 07:08:37 PM
:D Also stay tuned for some extra content over the next week or so as I finally get my act together!

You've been keeping the trains running on this podcast for over 4 years now. I think you've act is well and truly together already!...

...Mind if you thinking you haven't means extra content I'll call that a result!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 December, 2020, 10:51:14 PM
Happy holidays from the Space Spinner 2000/Big Meg One crew!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 02 January, 2021, 05:57:23 PM
Happy Christmas / New Year! I live in the UK now. Come at me.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 02 January, 2021, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 02 January, 2021, 05:57:23 PM
Come at me.

Not a phrase I hear terribly often.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 January, 2021, 06:06:37 PM
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 02 January, 2021, 05:57:23 PM
Happy Christmas / New Year! I live in the UK now. Come at me.

Oh we're sorry. I'm sure we didn't mean to break our country before you arrived...

...where abouts you based?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: FoxIsntARobot on 02 January, 2021, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 02 January, 2021, 06:01:10 PM
Not a phrase I hear terribly often.

Whoops. I did it again.

Quote from: Colin YNWA on 02 January, 2021, 06:06:37 PM
Oh we're sorry. I'm sure we didn't mean to break our country before you arrived...

...where abouts you based?

Cambridge! Northish. Near the the tech park. Milton Street.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 02 January, 2021, 08:01:18 PM
Cool. Cambridge is pretty nice as I recall from the couple of times I visited there. Hope it treats you well.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 02 January, 2021, 08:02:38 PM
Dammit - just before we Took Back Control of Our Borders!  :lol: Hope to see you at Lawgiver and Thought Bubble, assuming they're back for '21
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 January, 2021, 08:36:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/5bitsfV.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and thirty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 720-723 of 2000AD, covering March 1991. This episode we're reaching a big milestone for 2000AD as the prog goes full color, and with it start several new thrills!

Also, we're back to weekly podcasting! Brace yourselves!

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Also, in case you missed it:
Quote from: FoxIsntARobot on 02 January, 2021, 05:57:23 PM
Happy Christmas / New Year! I live in the UK now. Come at me.
Our own Fox has arrived upon your green and pleasant land!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Bolt-01 on 04 January, 2021, 08:37:59 AM
DDD - Lawgiverless has already announced they are skipping 2021 and hoping to get back into things in 2022.

Hopefully we'll get a Thought Bubble in 2021, though.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 04 January, 2021, 10:53:58 AM
And depending on vaccine status we could get Southern Contingent and/or Fans from the Eastern Front (https://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=46019.0) meetups (former usually in London, latter in Cambridge).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 January, 2021, 01:10:21 AM
recording the pods must be an interesting time now with fox in the uk

when i first saw that indigo prime was listed on the thrills list i got excited....then i remembered it was that almaranda filler guff and my excitement deflated....two or three more eps of the podcast not counting bm1....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 05 January, 2021, 06:44:28 AM
And just to make sure Fox doesn't get out and raise merry hell we've locked down - seems a bit extreme!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 05 January, 2021, 02:13:58 PM
oh yeah original name for carry on barton? carry on snuffin :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andrew_J on 09 January, 2021, 09:25:32 PM
Fun episode. I enjoyed listening to Two Americans trying to wrap their heads around the concept of Carry On.
I'm back on board the Space Spinner wagon now, after a lapse of a few months. That's me in the stats, downloading the back episodes from Ireland.

Best of luck with the move to the Uk, Fox.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 January, 2021, 05:02:48 AM
Quote from: Andrew_J on 09 January, 2021, 09:25:32 PM
Fun episode. I enjoyed listening to Two Americans trying to wrap their heads around the concept of Carry On.
I'm back on board the Space Spinner wagon now, after a lapse of a few months. That's me in the stats, downloading the back episodes from Ireland.

Best of luck with the move to the Uk, Fox.
Welcome back! It's always the right time to get back into Space Spinner!

(https://i.imgur.com/vtYzvVV.jpg)
In our thrilling two hundred and thirty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 724-727 of 2000AD, covering March & April 1991. This episode Robo-Hunter gets grim, Junker has a twist, Tao de Moto makes a deal, things get mysterious for Nemesis and Deadlock, and Judge Dredd is headed for the Emerald Isle!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 January, 2021, 07:51:56 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and eighteenth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1991 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This special is built around the theme of Monsters, and had a bunch of thrills that fit that theme to varying degrees!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 January, 2021, 10:33:54 PM
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In our mega sixth episode we continue our patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with the 1991 Judge Dredd Mega-Special. This episode we've got a mix of up and-coming new artists and authors combined with some classic and new work by master artist Ian Gibson!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 January, 2021, 12:24:28 PM
Interesting take on Judge Planet - when I get to that stage my take will not be the same...

I think the appearance of a Tweak costume can be rationalised without Dredd having broken kayfabe. Imagine somebody arrives in your city during the midst of some panic-buying, carrying the vaccine to COVID. They're not the only one with the vaccine – a gorilla has also rocked up carrying a backpack of the stuff. Nobody knows the gorillas is a sentient creature that you've held conversations with, but that doesn't stop them dressing up for a fancy dress ball!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 January, 2021, 05:55:43 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 24 January, 2021, 12:24:28 PM
Interesting take on Judge Planet - when I get to that stage my take will not be the same...

I think the appearance of a Tweak costume can be rationalised without Dredd having broken kayfabe. Imagine somebody arrives in your city during the midst of some panic-buying, carrying the vaccine to COVID. They're not the only one with the vaccine – a gorilla has also rocked up carrying a backpack of the stuff. Nobody knows the gorillas is a sentient creature that you've held conversations with, but that doesn't stop them dressing up for a fancy dress ball!

That actually makes a lot of sense! I always forget that Tweak actually delivered a load of vaccine. I guess he'd be like a modern day Balto/Togo or something!

(https://i.imgur.com/rsEeYGP.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and thirty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 728-731 of 2000AD, covering April & May 1991. This episode we clear out a few thrills and hop into some I've been looking forward to, including Mean Machine and the return of Night Zero!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Lobo Baggins on 26 January, 2021, 03:40:26 PM
"Robo-Hunter isn't funny"

Oh, don't worry - it never occurred to me that it was even supposed to be funny until someone described it as a 'comedy strip' well over a decade later on this forum.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 26 January, 2021, 08:52:10 PM
so close to the killing time now....soooo close
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 January, 2021, 02:58:12 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 January, 2021, 08:52:10 PM
so close to the killing time now....soooo close
We'll get one chapter of it next week!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 28 January, 2021, 12:10:21 AM
I am so excited
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 January, 2021, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 January, 2021, 02:58:12 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 26 January, 2021, 08:52:10 PM
so close to the killing time now....soooo close
We'll get one chapter of it next week!

That must mean it's already on the Patreon - shall have to check!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 January, 2021, 08:29:45 PM
Indeed it is!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 February, 2021, 11:07:05 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and fortieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 732-735 of 2000AD, covering May & June 1991. This episode Mean Machine travels through time, Friday makes some new friends, Sam Slade closes his case as Tanner and Indigo Prime start new ones, and an old friend returns in Judge Dredd.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 02 February, 2021, 04:14:53 AM
I find it kinda ironic with how timey wimey killing time gets that we ended up with a fox and conrad commenting on its first episode after witnessing the rest of it
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 08 February, 2021, 07:41:25 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/XPX2HFZ.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and forty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 736-739 of 2000AD, covering June & July 1991. This episode Dredd fights mutants, Friday fights to breath, Indigo Prime follows the time train, Below Zero flounders in bodyguard work, and Bix Barton finds love...or does he?!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 08 February, 2021, 10:10:29 AM
hell yeah that image :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 February, 2021, 08:06:56 AM
Just listening to the latest episode and just want to confirm to Fox that yes did three wheel cars exist - oh boy did they. I could tell you so many stories as a Robin Regal (as noted in the letters the 'modern' Reliant Robin was the first car we had when I was a kid. My Dad loved it 'cos you only had to pay as a motorbike and sidecar through the Mersey Tunnels (two tunnels between the Wirral penisula and Liverpool) not a full car price.

Oh the tales I could tell of family holiday towing a trailer in one of this things, or the disappointment we all felt for various reasons when my Dad got the fiberglass back panels replaced with windows so me and my brother could see out on journeys... oh happy days... kinda...

We were the one family ever to be happy to get a Lada (an almost equally crappy Russian car you could get for bobbins in relative terms) cos we thought it was the poshest, coolest thing as it had four, count um four whole wheels.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 15 February, 2021, 05:46:37 PM
Aw man you had "and indigo prime goes off the rails" for part of your intro and never used it  :lol:

A few notes

You can actually see what happened to culver post harping in part 9 its not pretty

that was not one of the help who got his face melted off that was lady jocelyns husband. I can totally understand not getting that since [spoiler]until part 10 where we find out he was the one who caused the crash when the iscariot sent his burnt form back in time to be in front of the train hes not very memorable[/spoiler]

Chris weston is a genius for sneaking things in the background my personal favourite is the reference to his masters voice in the vernon death scene
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 15 February, 2021, 06:17:00 PM
You youngsters!  (unless you are toying with us)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApsAPnoH7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApsAPnoH7c)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 February, 2021, 07:43:17 AM
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Sorry, a little late with this one!

In our thrilling two hundred and forty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 740-743 of 2000AD, covering July & August 1991. This episode Dredd goes to school, Tanner visits his past, Bix Barton finds love, Friday brings the jungle, and we're all Dead Meat, as a new thrill starts!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 February, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Great episode - getting up to the period in my life where I'd have stopped reading 2000AD if I'd been a nonscrot!  Going to gigs, etc.  Speaking of which, also coming up to the prog where a friend of mine had a letter published complimenting Killing Time - same friend was also a gig promoter...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 February, 2021, 06:12:31 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and forty-three episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 744-747 of 2000AD, covering August & September 1991. This episode Dredd faces the muzak, we're on a grand adventure with Revere, Dead Meat is on the trail, we'll learn some history in Harlem Heroes, and reach the mind bending conclusions of Below Zero and Indigo Prime: Killing Time! Note: This was recorded in late December and both of the boys are a little stuffed up!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 February, 2021, 08:13:37 AM
Just been listening to the latest Big Meg - which is really starting to come to life I have to say - for folks not yet listening you can find the latest here

http://spacespinner2000.com/2021/02/18/ep-8-meg-1-10-11/ (http://spacespinner2000.com/2021/02/18/ep-8-meg-1-10-11/)

ANYWAY - just a very quick and inaccurate I guess potted history of American comics in the UK - I'm sure if i put more effort into this there'll be a website that will cover this properly. ANYWAY you could buy regular US comics for years in regular UK newsagents - so I think Brian Bolland used to buy them in the early 60s for example. You had to know which one's carried them and I think distribution was patchy. So a newsagent wouldn't order particular title but I think order a certain number of comics and a random selection would land of that number. This certainly seemed to be the case in the early eighties when I found a newagent in Birkenhead that carried US comics.

Marvel was local side a specialised in reprinting the best of Marvel stuff but in a weekly anthology format more akin to the rest of the UK industry and therefore distributed much better.

Specialist comic shop have been around in the UK for a long time too. I'm not sure when the first opened but by the late 70s I think most major cities had one at least. Forbidden Planet started around this time, as did Sheffield Space Centre - my local comic shop to this day and I'm pretty sure Chapter One in Liverpool was open by then - but I hadn't discovered it by that point.

So yeah by the 90s there was a well established network of both comic shop and newsagents will still have carried title - though that is very rare these days.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 February, 2021, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 22 February, 2021, 08:13:37 AM

Marvel UK was local to uk, and specialised in reprinting the best of Marvel stuff, but in a weekly anthology format more akin to the rest of the UK industry and therefore distributed much better.

There were, as ever, a lot of typos there - but these one's in particular annoyed me.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 22 February, 2021, 01:53:33 PM
I know i got some issues of doom patrol jli and animal man out of newsagents at the time

God strontium Dogz would totally be a thing they would have considered calling it at the time but in another universe i can see this conversation happening in early 1990....

Tharg: Grant i need a forth series of zenith prepped for prog 750 I know you and Steve need prep time so we are letting you know now

Grant: fuck aff ah goat Doom patrol and animal man tae dae fir dc and ah am tae good tae sully mahsel wie yuir rag noo. So piss aff unless ye want tae gie me a shottie at thon judge dredd.

Tharg: he'll get it done hell we'll do cryptic hints at it and I am suuuure it won't bite us in the back nearer the time now mister Millar about that reboot of robo hunter....are we sure we want to do that to the sidekicks?

Millar: whimsy whits that? ah want tae shock youse!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Andy B on 23 February, 2021, 04:46:43 AM
I got a big wave of '70s nostalgia from Colin's post... walking across the Meadows in Edinburgh, every week, to the Science Fiction Bookshop. My first exposure to Marvel was in some of those anthologies: Forces in Combat and Future Tense. Weird mixture of stuff in those comics...

Also enjoying Big Meg One a lot. Thanks for reminding me how great Al's Baby was: relentlessly entertaining, and Ezquerra goes just the right amount of cartoonish on it. Looks like he was having fun. Complete edition (three stories) on sale for $5 in 2000AD app right now: no excuse not to!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 March, 2021, 05:06:14 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and forty-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 748-751 of 2000AD, covering September & October 1991. This episode we're ending a bunch of thrills and starting new ones, including Robo-Hunter, Universal Soldier, Strontium Dogs, and ABC Warriors!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 March, 2021, 10:24:43 PM
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In our mega ninth episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with issues twelve and thirteen of the Judge Dredd Megazine, cover dates September & October 1991. This episode Raptaur is eating heads, Razors goes to Sov-Block 1, Al's baby is changing diapers, Armitage is dodging drones, and Young Death concludes!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 March, 2021, 06:44:52 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and forty-fifth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1990 2000AD Yearbook.  This is the first 2000AD Yearbook, a whole new annual-type document with new stories from Judge Dredd, Robo-Hunter Rogue Trooper, the wrap-up of Tao De Moto, and even an all new Sláine! Plus some Dashingly Decent classic strips!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 09 March, 2021, 09:13:47 AM
I'm well behind at the moment, but I had to comment to share my delight and surprise when you guys pointed out that Winword and Cord (in Killing Time) are literally coloured indigo. Can't believe I never noticed before, just thought Weston was making some weird colour choice.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 March, 2021, 03:32:23 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and forty-seventh episode Fox and Conrad take a break from weekly progs to talk about the fabled cross-over between Judge Dredd and Batman, Judgement on Gotham! Realities are colliding and faces are getting punched with writing by John Wagner and Alan Grant and art by Simon Bisley! Gaze into various fists!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 March, 2021, 07:49:37 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and forty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 756-759 of 2000AD, covering November 1991. This episode ABC Warriors, Robo-Hunter, and Universal Soldier reach their climaxes, Dredd fights the flab, Feral goes to war, and Judge Anderson is back to solve some Engrams!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 April, 2021, 05:08:42 AM
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On this April Fool's Day Fox and Conrad have once more fallen through a time portal! They find themselves once again at the start of their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 6 to 10 of 2000AD, covering April of 1977. This episode we once more walk the path of early thrill power, as murderous robots and cyborgs, as well as dinosaurs and Volgans, threaten our various heroes!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 01 April, 2021, 05:06:49 PM
I am so happy we got another redux episode one more next year and i guess its a tradition :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 April, 2021, 05:30:32 PM
Yeah this always wonderful show is some how even more wonderful with these Retro issue. Its great to hear you both reflect on the stories with a fresh honestly and also with the experience of almost 800 more Prog under your belt. Defo do it again and The Monarch let's say its a tradition now and that we we can get all upperity if its not done net year.

I mean its a fantastic tradition and one only a monster, an absolute monster would break.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 01 April, 2021, 07:27:40 PM
what colin said :lol:
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 April, 2021, 09:20:31 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and forty-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 760-763 of 2000AD, covering December 1991. This episode Dredd learns about Geomancy, Judge Anderson learns about her past, Strontium Dogs reaches it's climax, Bix Barton goes to the bog, and Durham Red goes Gothlord!

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Quote from: Colin YNWA on 01 April, 2021, 05:30:32 PM
Yeah this always wonderful show is some how even more wonderful with these Retro issue. Its great to hear you both reflect on the stories with a fresh honestly and also with the experience of almost 800 more Prog under your belt. Defo do it again and The Monarch let's say its a tradition now and that we we can get all upperity if its not done net year.

I mean its a fantastic tradition and one only a monster, an absolute monster would break.

It's definitely our aim to keep doing these! At least until we've redone our first bunch of episodes, where the audio is really really terrible :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 06 April, 2021, 07:25:19 PM
I assume we are building up to a spinnies soon aka the all killing time all the time 1991 spinnies
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 06 April, 2021, 10:19:09 PM
Excellent stuff as always

I know the trauma of Final Solution leads many to blocking it out, but if you recall when Colin MacNeil takes over, the first episode is a recap told as a letter to Durham Red from McNulty - You see her engaged in tracking down the chap in this story there, so this is running roughly concurrently with the events over in Final Solution.

As for the mutant baby in Anderson..... keep reading the progs....

But yes, Spinnies must be soon?  Also need to update the spreadsheet with all your top and bottom thrillsin time for the 250th episode!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 April, 2021, 10:53:44 PM
Spinny list time - all data taken from Barney, all mistakes probably mine!

Best Art
Arthur Ranson
Brendan McCarthy
Brett Ewins
Brian Williamson
Brian Williamson
Cam Kennedy
Carl Critchlow
Carlos Ezquerra
Chris Weston
Cliff Robinson
Dave D'Antiquis
David Hine
David Roach
Dermot Power
Eric Bradbury
Gary Caldwell
Gary Erskine
Geoff Senior
Gina Hart
Greg Staples
Jeff Anderson
Jim McCarthy
John Burns
John Ridgway
Jose Casanovas
Kev Hopgood
Kevin Walker
Massimo Belardinelli
Mick Austin
Mike Hadley
Nigel Dobbyn
Richard Dolan
Richard Elson
Ron Smith
Sean Phillips
Simon Bisley
Simon Coleby
Simon Harrison
Simon Jacob
Steve Cook
Steve Dillon
Steve Pugh
Steve Yeowell
Stuart Harrison
Stuart Jennett
Tim Bollard
Tim Perkins
Vanyo
Zac Sandler


Best Writing
Alan Grant
Alan McKenzie
Andy McDermott
David Anderson
Frances Lynn
Garth Ennis
Iain Simmons
Jim Clements
John Brosnan
John Smith
John Tomlinson
John Wagner
Lawrence Miles
Mark Eyles
Mark Millar
Michael Cook
Michael Fleisher
Myra Hancock
Nicholas Barber
Pat Mills
Paul Kupperberg
Peter Milligan
Tharg the Mighty
Tony Skinner
Westley Smith


Best Overall Thrill

Judge Dredd   
Death Aid
First Offence
Fixing Daddy
La Placa Rifa
Driller Killer
The Apartment
Bill Bailey Won't you Please Come Home
Emerald Isle
Return of the King
Firepower
Teddy Bear's Firefight
Garbage Disposal
Watchdogs
Talkback
Twin Blocks
School Bully
A Clockwork Pineapple
Muzak Killer
The Vidders
The Devil You Know
Twilight's Last Gleaming
One Better
The Flabfighers
Teddy Chopermitz
Rough Guide to Suicide
Art of Geomancy

A.B.C. Warriors
Khronicles of Khaos

Armoured Gideon
No, No, Nanette

Bix Barton
Carry on Barton
Lovesick World
Bloated Case of the Fatted Keef

Brigand Doom
Brigand Doom
Voodoo Child

Danzig's Inferno   

Dead Meat   

Durham Red
Island of the Damned

Harlem Heroes
Death Sport

Indigo Prime
Solstice
Killing Time

Judge Anderson
Engram

Junker   

Mean Machine
Travels With Muh Shrink

Nemesis & Deadlock
The Enigmass Variations

Night Zero
Below Zero

Revere
Finders Edge

Robo-Hunter
Return to Verdus (?)
Escape From Bisleyland

Rogue Trooper
Golden Fox Rebellion
Saharan Ice Belt War

Strontium Dogs
Monsters

Tao de Moto
Forbidden Fruit

Tharg the Mighty
Galactic Greetings
The Question

Trash
How Green is my Computer?

Universal Soldier
Indestructible Man

Tharg's Future Shocks
Digby Trench, Come on Down
Treasured Companions
Blossom
Bone Shaker
Great Minds Think Alike
It's Alive!
Robot
Retribution
Tree of Knowledge
Wraggs to Riches
Marksman
Pact With the Devil
Holiday of a Lifetime
Peace of Paper
Blink of an Eye
Rocket Man
The Fallen

Best Month of Progs
January
February
March
April
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December

Best Year of 2000AD
1977
1978
1979
1980
1981
1982
1983
1984
1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
1990
1991
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 April, 2021, 10:56:32 PM
Not forgetting the meggies!

Best Art

Brian Bolland
Carlos Ezquerra
Colin MacNeil
Dean Ormston
Duncan Fegredo
Jim Baikie
John Hicklenton
John McCrea
John McCrea
Peter Doherty
Roger Langridge
Sean Phillips
Simon Bisley
Steve Sampson
Steve Yeowell
Will Simpson

Best Writing

Alan Grant
Dave Stone
David Bishop
Garth Ennis
Ian Edginton
John Wagner
Mark Millar
Tony Luke
Warren Ellis

Best Overall Thrilll

Judge Dredd
Midnite's Children
I Singe the Body Electric
Black Widow
The Gipper's Big Night
Raptaur

Al's Baby

America

Armitage

Brit-Cit Babes

Chopper
Earth, Wind and Fire

Heavy Metal Dredd
A Mega-City Primer
Rock On, Tommy Who?!

Judge Death
Young Death

Middenface McNulty
Wan Man an' His Dug

Red Razors   

Strange Cases
Feed Me
Magic

The Straitjacket Fits   

Best Month of Megs
January
February
March
April
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December

Best Year of Megs
1990
1991



Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 07 April, 2021, 12:43:05 PM
Return to verdus isn't until 1992 I think what you are thinking of is rogue cop aka robohunter aka a complete waste of space

anyhoo spinnies/meggies

Spinnies

It would be so simple to do the Fleisher award and give it to mark millars disgusting travesty of a robohunter gravedigging but no....just once I am gonna be positive this time round....

Every single vote for 1991 goes to one strip and one strip only. Yes its no secret I am a serious stan for Smith and Westons Killing time. It is an understatement to say how important this story was to an eight year old David page but it really was. I truly believe this story has helped shape me into the person i am today. Lets face it 91 is not 2000ads best year yes there are some bright shining diamonds but alas there is just as much coal. Killing time still surprises me even til today can you believe it was only until your podcast that i noticed that the boys were indigo skinned? It was a genuine delight to hear that fox dug it so much. I knew you would have loved it conrad but hearing foxes joy at the horrors unleashed by the iscariot was amazing and even if it was unintentional having your future selves comment on the early episodes was amazing and on point for the story. And what else can I say about Chris weston? his art fits so well with the story. The fleshiness almost leaping off the page. the viseral red sprayed all over the pages and some truly amazing and horrific monster design. I could go on and on and gush but I have already written way too much

Meggies

Best writer: john wagner. Als baby, young death and america need i say more?

best artist: King Carlos himself

best story: It may shock you going by the two above that its totally Als baby. Theres an arguement made that this story doesn't really fit the meg. to that I say you may be right. I really don't care though its my favourite strip of the first year of the meg.

Special mention goes to middenface mcnulty why on earth has this not been reprinted put it in a floppy guys!

The walter the wobot award for liquid shite: You are lucky sam keith....the year ended just before your terrible dredd one off was printed. So instead I will vote for brit cit babes. A story so bad even the mighty John Wagner ditched it before finishing.Not helping is Steve Sampsons early art. As an artist he gets really bloody good later on but this early stuff? its rough and doesn't really fit the story at all such as it is. Hell to be honest I think the only reason its remembered at all was the Bolland cover that kicked the story off.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 07 April, 2021, 12:52:40 PM
and yes i know i am early with the meggies sue me.

I cannot believe space spinners reached episode 250 I mean if you count big meg, starlordathon, action and the best ofs its over 400 episodes and thats not even counting patreon exclusives what i am trying to say is thats a lot of content and I am so glad i got to experience it with you. Lets go for 250 more and beyond. long as it keeps coming out i will be there to experience it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 April, 2021, 07:03:55 PM
Big ups to Sheridan and The Monarch for getting it rolling, it's Spinnies and Meggies time for 1991!

We want to hear your nominations for:
Best Art
Best Writing
Best Thrill
Best Month of 1991
MVP of the Year
Respond here or email to send in your Spinny Noms!

It'll also be our 250th episode, so any well wishes would be appreciated!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 16 April, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
please tell me you didn't use my meggies i just realised that you guys haven't covered brit cit babes yet
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 16 April, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 16 April, 2021, 08:46:40 AM
please tell me you didn't use my meggies i just realised that you guys haven't covered brit cit babes yet

Brit-Cit Babes is starting on the next meg.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 16 April, 2021, 03:56:11 PM
Can't believe I missed the Spinnies window!

1991 is such a sad year - you've got the real problem of Fleischer/Millar taking over, not just from Wagner/Grant and Mills while they all fall out over Toxic, but Hilary Robinson and shortly John Brosnan - I was never a great fan of Robinson's stuff, but it was certainly a case of "be careful what you wish for".

I can't disagree with what most people said - Killing Time is the clear standout - Ennis is variable, but well meaning, though I hate Death Aid for taking the genius of the Hunter's Club and turning them into standard Futsies - what Wagner,GHrant and Mills there is is most welcome, but their attentions are elsewhere.

So 1991 is worse year of the 5 for me - it goes top to bottom: 1987, 1990, 1989, 1988, 1991.  doesnt help that 1991, along with 1990, were personal low point years - I think if it wasnt for the Megazine, I think I might have ditched the prog some time shortly after the Millar Robohunter abomination.

My guess is that 1992 is mmore of the same, 93 and 94 get worse, but somewhere in 95 things start to  turn about and it's a long climb back up from the pit of 1994.

1984 is still the best year!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 16 April, 2021, 04:35:20 PM
Actually may have 88 and 89 mixed up there - whichever year gave us the most Daily Star Dredd, that's the better one! :p 
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 16 April, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 16 April, 2021, 04:35:20 PM
Actually may have 88 and 89 mixed up there - whichever year gave us the most Daily Star Dredd, that's the better one! :p
Fox and Conrad didn't like the Daily Dredds being in the prog and I thought this was an interesting case of context over-shadowing content. I have the first 2 volumes of the Daily Dredd collections and they are mostly great but I can see how putting them in a prog context makes them a bit annoying, with a jarring shift of pace and panel distribution.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 16 April, 2021, 05:11:34 PM
Yeah, I'm a huge flag waver for the Daily Star Dredd, in the prog or out! 

For context, these were totally unavailable if you didnt read the Star at the time, so if you were a bit of a completist (can you be a bit of one?)  then having them turn up in annual, specials and the progs was a special treat - I mean, turning up in the progs was clearly not because it was a special treat, it was as Conrad surmises, filling production gaps.

But that would be a bit like complaining if BBC1 started showing "Marco Polo" or "Fury From the Deep" on prime time - "what's this old black and whte nonsense doing on my Telly!?!" 

For me it was a respite from some of the second and third tier stuff that would otherwise have been filling the slot and maybe a reminder of happier times

Quote from: WhizzBang on 16 April, 2021, 04:46:39 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 16 April, 2021, 04:35:20 PM
Actually may have 88 and 89 mixed up there - whichever year gave us the most Daily Star Dredd, that's the better one! :p
Fox and Conrad didn't like the Daily Dredds being in the prog and I thought this was an interesting case of context over-shadowing content. I have the first 2 volumes of the Daily Dredd collections and they are mostly great but I can see how putting them in a prog context makes them a bit annoying, with a jarring shift of pace and panel distribution.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 16 April, 2021, 05:37:32 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 16 April, 2021, 03:56:11 PM
Can't believe I missed the Spinnies window!

1991 is such a sad year - you've got the real problem of Fleischer/Millar taking over, not just from Wagner/Grant and Mills while they all fall out over Toxic, but Hilary Robinson and shortly John Brosnan - I was never a great fan of Robinson's stuff, but it was certainly a case of "be careful what you wish for".

I can't disagree with what most people said - Killing Time is the clear standout - Ennis is variable, but well meaning, though I hate Death Aid for taking the genius of the Hunter's Club and turning them into standard Futsies - what Wagner,GHrant and Mills there is is most welcome, but their attentions are elsewhere.


I remember really resenting Ennis being the new Dredd scrĂ­be at the tĂ­me.  However bad other strips had got before 1991, which to be fair generally wasn't too bad ,Dredd could usually redeem the prog. Now, all that Wagner subtlety and wit was gone. I hadn't read any of Garth's other stuff at the time, and wondered why Tharg had suddenly given the Time Flies fella top billing. Thank Grud for John Smith, who for me kept the prog alive.

Now, I must say I really like Garth's stuff these days.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 16 April, 2021, 05:52:55 PM
There's a definite Goldilocks syndrome

Ennis loves Dredd and the bog paper years and creators just a little too much - we see this in the cloth eared ending of the Democracy storyline, but wose for me in the shit kicking he gives Alpha next year - that may be me loving Johnny too much maybe, but comapre with the nuance of the confronatation between the two we see in Top Dogs.

Millar and Morrison have the opposte problem in pouring contempt openly on both Dredd and the Old Guard of 2000AD.

While neither is what you want to see in your prog, I'd rather too much love than too much bile.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 16 April, 2021, 07:17:47 PM
Mention of Toxic! has given me an idea for the followup to the Starlordathon.  Tornado is an obvious sequel (though will that include all the text stories?), Crisis is a bit unwieldly - went over 60 or 70 issues, Revolver without Crisis would be a bit pointless (as some of the stories transferred over when it folded), but Toxic! has just the right amount of issues.  Judge Dredd: Lawman of the Future is about the same length as well.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 16 April, 2021, 10:38:52 PM
I appreciate that both Ennis and Millar have conceded that their Dredd work was not the best. They were too much fanboys to be in charge of the show so Dredd would inevitably get beaten down and then rise up with a rousing speech or witty one-liner to win with one punch (conveyor belt optional)

I've actually found the last year's worth of podcasts quite traumatic at times. Jesus, I'd forgotten just how shite that Michael Fleischer stuff was. I had honestly erased every detail of the new Harlem Heroes from my memory, and every podcast was like some awful Recovered Memory experiment as I had to relive every moment again, not to mention Sam Slade and Cutie. God that was bad. Ennis' Dredd's were still quite often the highlight, and some of them were pretty good.

Keep going dudes, there's more shit to come, but it gets so silly it'll be funnier to talk about, and there are always gems along the way
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: milstar on 16 April, 2021, 11:01:05 PM
If I may digress a bit here, I consider Dredd as anti-thesis to superheroes. Hence, Millar and Morrison, who obviously are fans of guys and girls in thighs, their work on Dredd is mediocre, to say at least. Actually, those who made a successful stab at superheroes openly had shown dislike for Dredd. Here I'd include Alan Grant. On the other hand,  it's obvious that Ennis loves Dredd and he, along John Wagner, haven't shown much interests to superheroes.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Corinthian on 16 April, 2021, 11:12:29 PM
The Morrison who wrote Dredd is the same Morrison who publicly disparaged Kafka for not imagining that Gregor Samsa could use his new-found insect powers to fight crime.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 16 April, 2021, 11:17:55 PM
However much of a fan Ennis was, it really didn't seem like it to me.  Return of the King was the start of it for me.  It seemed like Garth had barely been paying attention at all - Dredd telling Hershey that 'the law is never wrong', for instance, despite all the major events of the previous few years being based on Dredd's realisation that the law was sometimes wrong.  Dredd calling Silver a creep, despite years of mutual respect and also Wagner's Dredd showing understanding to Kraken.  For me anyway, it set the scene for the Ennis Dredd years - Dredd as a childishly bad-tempered, 2-dimensional loudmouth rather than the complex, intelligent and sometimes conflicted character we'd seen develop (however slowly) over the previous years.

Sorry to be so negative; Ennis has become one of my favourite comics writers since then.  And for what it's worth, I think his later attempts at Dredd showed a far more accomplished and appropriate take on the character, whatever you may think of the stories.  (And I may well be alone here, but I didn't mind Helter Skelter at all, and positively enjoyed Monkey on my Back.)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 17 April, 2021, 05:42:23 AM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 16 April, 2021, 10:38:52 PMEnnis' Dredd's were still quite often the highlight, and some of them were pretty good.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 16 April, 2021, 11:17:55 PMHowever much of a fan Ennis was, it really didn't seem like it to me...

...And for what it's worth, I think his later attempts at Dredd showed a far more accomplished and appropriate take on the character, whatever you may think of the stories.  (And I may well be alone here, but I didn't mind Helter Skelter at all, and positively enjoyed Monkey on my Back.)

Yeah,I drifted a bit there, it's 91 we're talking about, I think I'm conflating all Ennis Dredd,, and you're right his better stuff came later.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: milstar on 17 April, 2021, 06:41:26 AM
Mentioning Dredd showing understanding to Kraken is one of the reasons why I dislike Wagner's early 90s Dredd. He unnecessarily made Dredd complex character, when it worked for years as two-dimensional lawman. Earlier Dredd would never do that. And the primary reason why I am not enamoured with America is that it bends your perception of Mega City from earlier stories, where it was all cops n robbers and judges were heroes, much like what superheroes meant in American comics. For example, Dredd harassing that kid who suffered bullying is so out of his character. Dredd would never do it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: I, Cosh on 17 April, 2021, 09:37:49 AM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 16 April, 2021, 11:12:29 PM
The Morrison who wrote Dredd is the same Morrison who publicly disparaged Kafka for not imagining that Gregor Samsa could use his new-found insect powers to fight crime.
This seems like a pretty reasonable criticism. You can't have The Trial if you don't catch the villain first.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 17 April, 2021, 09:51:52 AM
Quote from: milstar on 17 April, 2021, 06:41:26 AM
Mentioning Dredd showing understanding to Kraken is one of the reasons why I dislike Wagner's early 90s Dredd. He unnecessarily made Dredd complex character, when it worked for years as two-dimensional lawman. Earlier Dredd would never do that. And the primary reason why I am not enamoured with America is that it bends your perception of Mega City from earlier stories, where it was all cops n robbers and judges were heroes, much like what superheroes meant in American comics. For example, Dredd harassing that kid who suffered bullying is so out of his character. Dredd would never do it.

Couldn't agree less, I'm afraid!  Some of my favourite Dredd stories were the ones that led from Oz to Necropolis, showing a tiny bit of character development.  Also, I could be wrong but I think that's a different judge harassing the young Beeny.

Quote from: I, Cosh on 17 April, 2021, 09:37:49 AM
This seems like a pretty reasonable criticism. You can't have The Trial if you don't catch the villain first.

Trial?  This ain't America any more, kid.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 April, 2021, 10:45:25 AM
Yeah, I've never taken that Judge harassing young Beeny as Dredd - Dredd would go and kick some bully butt!  As Wagner always said, you wouldnt want to live in a word of Judges, except those brief moments where someone cuts you up and you'd love to see that Lawmaster in your rear view...

Good point about Return of the King and "The Law is never wrong", but again, that's Garth's cloth eared support for the "tough guy" that you see in stuff like Preacher - John Wayne style machoness is great, anything "effeminate" must be ridiculed.

Dredd is a very subtley complex character - hence why when Morrison said about Dredd "at least Batman has two dimensions" it showed he really wasnt paying any attention at all.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: milstar on 17 April, 2021, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 April, 2021, 09:51:52 AM
Quote from: milstar on 17 April, 2021, 06:41:26 AM
Mentioning Dredd showing understanding to Kraken is one of the reasons why I dislike Wagner's early 90s Dredd. He unnecessarily made Dredd complex character, when it worked for years as two-dimensional lawman. Earlier Dredd would never do that. And the primary reason why I am not enamoured with America is that it bends your perception of Mega City from earlier stories, where it was all cops n robbers and judges were heroes, much like what superheroes meant in American comics. For example, Dredd harassing that kid who suffered bullying is so out of his character. Dredd would never do it.

Also, I could be wrong but I think that's a different judge harassing the young Beeny.


I dunno, they (the Judges) all look alike (like Dredd) to me. I mean, they are drawn that way. I maybe connected that with the monologue that Dred gives afterwards (I think) about giving hard glance at wannabe perp.

Quote from: Leigh S on 17 April, 2021, 10:45:25 AM
Yeah, I've never taken that Judge harassing young Beeny as Dredd - Dredd would go and kick some bully butt!  As Wagner always said, you wouldnt want to live in a word of Judges, except those brief moments where someone cuts you up and you'd love to see that Lawmaster in your rear view...

Good point about Return of the King and "The Law is never wrong", but again, that's Garth's cloth eared support for the "tough guy" that you see in stuff like Preacher - John Wayne style machoness is great, anything "effeminate" must be ridiculed.

Dredd is a very subtley complex character - hence why when Morrison said about Dredd "at least Batman has two dimensions" it showed he really wasnt paying any attention at all.



Morrison has stated many ludicrous things, aside him, remember that the Judges are the only solution for ever increasing crime rate in MC-1. It's a world that, imperfect they may seem, judges are in demand. I find Dredd very simple character, in rather complex situations.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 April, 2021, 11:25:40 AM
The Judges tell us they are the only solution, and that's the complexity right there - in some ways, that's true, in others, not so much.  When you have invading Sovs, yay the Judges. When you have mind controlled Judges happily executing the population (not once but twice!), not so much yay!

It's interesting that , withbout getting too inappropriately  political, that you can see the Judges are trained to be "better" than modern day US cops - a George Floyd situation would see a trip to Titan.  There is an "ideal" there that Ennis loves, and kind of all of us love a bit, and Dredd is that ideal manifest - but the strip is at it's finest when it explores how that "ideal" is all but impossible to actually enact,a nd even when you can, the unintended consequences of it on how people's lives are damaged
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 17 April, 2021, 12:40:29 PM
With you all the way there, Lee.  In fact I'm a bit disappointed that Fargo's last words to Dredd have never really been addressed.  I have a feeling that if it's the two-dimensional, emotionless, unchanging avatar of the law you're looking for, Alan Grant's take on Dredd is the man for you.  Me, I'm far more a fan of Wagner's version, the one that once in a blue moon releases Democrats from the cubes and stops the Resyk belt for bereaved old men, but each to their own.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 April, 2021, 12:53:31 PM
Indeed, the Fargo ending of Origins is 90% of my love for that series, but so far barely mentioned again.

It's why the current Dredd with corrupt SJS rankles - the Justice Dept doesnt need to be corrupt to be "wrong" , and you lose a lot of the subtlety of the political comment in Dredd when you can;;t make the Judges "bad" when they are beng ostensibly "good"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: milstar on 18 April, 2021, 12:30:11 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 17 April, 2021, 11:25:40 AM
The Judges tell us they are the only solution, and that's the complexity right there - in some ways, that's true, in others, not so much.  When you have invading Sovs, yay the Judges. When you have mind controlled Judges happily executing the population (not once but twice!), not so much yay!

It's interesting that , withbout getting too inappropriately  political, that you can see the Judges are trained to be "better" than modern day US cops - a George Floyd situation would see a trip to Titan.  There is an "ideal" there that Ennis loves, and kind of all of us love a bit, and Dredd is that ideal manifest - but the strip is at it's finest when it explores how that "ideal" is all but impossible to actually enact,a nd even when you can, the unintended consequences of it on how people's lives are damaged

Well, I don't see doable as Judges going happily and deliberately wasting population (because they feel like it) and that somehow it'll paint Judges as bad, because it's rather exception to the rule. Corrupt Judges, yes, and this ideas were explored in the earlier strips. From Dredd's PoV, there's nothing more ashaming than a corrupt Judge. And let's be  honest, Mega City has seen a lot of them corrupt. I definitely see Dredd as someone who'd deeply scorn Derek Chauvin.
As for the treatment of MC citizens, what I like about the Dredd is the he's brutally honest with his views. In Democracy, his famous "I'll do anything to protect this city from dangerous fools like you". Or stunning opening and closing monologues from America. This is seen in a rather unnerving effect in Apocalypse War, where judges execute people for defection. But I suppose it's rather echo of the times, where penalty for treason was death.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 April, 2021, 12:40:29 PM
With you all the way there, Lee.  In fact I'm a bit disappointed that Fargo's last words to Dredd have never really been addressed.  I have a feeling that if it's the two-dimensional, emotionless, unchanging avatar of the law you're looking for, Alan Grant's take on Dredd is the man for you. Me, I'm far more a fan of Wagner's version, the one that once in a blue moon releases Democrats from the cubes and stops the Resyk belt for bereaved old men, but each to their own.

I don't know how good is Grant's example, when Grant openly professed that he, as an anarchist, purposely made Dredd more and more fascist, to the point it became self-parody (this is one of the reasons why he broke up with Wagner).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 18 April, 2021, 01:07:46 PM
Nt sure what you're getting at - are we supposed to agree that the democrats are dangerous fools?  Are we supposed to agree that the Judges are the ONLY solution and that, as dredd famoously states, the price of Justie is Freedom?  Are we to say  that it's the Militarised police Gvt that get to decide if that is a cost willing to be paid? 

If so, then that's a worrying reading of the strip in my book.  Sure, Dredd is interesting in that he actually beleives in the ideal, he gains no profit from what he does, he would risk himself for the life of a criminal.  All of that is part of the complexity of the strip, and the conflict in the character - a "good" man upholding an oppressive system.  It's an incredibly thin wire to walk as a writer, which I imagine is the reason so many fall off one side or the other
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: milstar on 18 April, 2021, 01:25:54 PM
I'll say first that I would never read a strip about a fascist. Dredd himself may be a simple character, because he is, in the society that is complicated, and I see him as a necessary tool. Not perfect, but ideal it could get. And these strips to me serve as reflection of your own moral standards. And I gotta say, the price for justice IS freedom. Either you get one or you don't. Because the justice in its core doesn't suffer compromises.
And I'll add this. Democrats, or fighters for democracy in America indeed were dangerous fools, whose acts border on sheer terrorism.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 18 April, 2021, 01:40:39 PM
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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 April, 2021, 01:58:00 PM
Quote from: milstar on 17 April, 2021, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 17 April, 2021, 09:51:52 AM
Quote from: milstar on 17 April, 2021, 06:41:26 AM
Mentioning Dredd showing understanding to Kraken is one of the reasons why I dislike Wagner's early 90s Dredd. He unnecessarily made Dredd complex character, when it worked for years as two-dimensional lawman. Earlier Dredd would never do that. And the primary reason why I am not enamoured with America is that it bends your perception of Mega City from earlier stories, where it was all cops n robbers and judges were heroes, much like what superheroes meant in American comics. For example, Dredd harassing that kid who suffered bullying is so out of his character. Dredd would never do it.

Also, I could be wrong but I think that's a different judge harassing the young Beeny.


I dunno, they (the Judges) all look alike (like Dredd) to me. I mean, they are drawn that way. I maybe connected that with the monologue that Dred gives afterwards (I think) about giving hard glance at wannabe perp.

Quote from: Leigh S on 17 April, 2021, 10:45:25 AM
Yeah, I've never taken that Judge harassing young Beeny as Dredd - Dredd would go and kick some bully butt!  As Wagner always said, you wouldnt want to live in a word of Judges, except those brief moments where someone cuts you up and you'd love to see that Lawmaster in your rear view...

The script book has an intro by Wagner saying that Dredd did not appear in the first few episodes of America - a bold move considering this was a fledling title named after Dredd, and that the narration was added to draw him back in.  Which is the long way of saying - the bully judge wasn't Dredd (the script just refers to 'a judge').
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 18 April, 2021, 02:09:22 PM
So what do you make of Fargo's hot take on the Judge System as Overlords in Origins?

http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2012/08/01/f-is-for-fargo-and-fargo-clones/ (http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2012/08/01/f-is-for-fargo-and-fargo-clones/)

Democracy "could" coexist with the Justice Dept - it would mean the law would be from (and for) the Citizens rather than "what's good for them/what keeps them in line", but even the founder didn't intend the Judges to assume ultimate power iindefinitely.

You can have Freedom without Justice, but can you have Justice without Freedom? If the citizens have no say in what laws are imposed on them, then that's not Justice, that's oppression, plain and simple. And if it's a great system, why are the citizens routinely prone to criminality and psychosis? 

Now, that's not to say I am not a fan of the old style futuristic "post need" elements of Mega-City One, where citizens are ostensibly free to grow their noses and head eggs into buckets (if they arent being gassed into a stupor to keep the crime rate down) - again that's some of the charm and complexity of the story - the citizens ARE in many ways stupid children, who "need" keeping in line - but what's keeping them stupid children?

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 18 April, 2021, 03:48:29 PM
Has the Justice Department's and indeed Dredd's use of the term Justice been explored explicity? Its certainly a continual subtext throughtout many, many stories. Use of the word within the 'Justice System' of the Mega Citys seems like clever propoganda. There is very little real justice in Mega City One, just the enforcement of a brutal legal system of an extreme right wing state, called justice on the basis you get what you deserve. Label things justice and folks are more willing to accept things. Its justified its not oppression. Its what we need and deserve.

So the law says you get 6 months imprisionment for dropping litter. If you drop litter you get nicked and serve 6 months. While that is geting what the law tells you you deserve, its not really justice in modern terms...

... oh I really shouldn't enter this debate as there's a lot to unpack and I've got silly tournments to prepare.

Always wise to remember Wagner's wise words - which I'm about to mangle - Dredd is a warning not a blue print.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: milstar on 18 April, 2021, 04:30:27 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 18 April, 2021, 02:09:22 PM
So what do you make of Fargo's hot take on the Judge System as Overlords in Origins?

http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2012/08/01/f-is-for-fargo-and-fargo-clones/ (http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/2012/08/01/f-is-for-fargo-and-fargo-clones/)

Democracy "could" coexist with the Justice Dept - it would mean the law would be from (and for) the Citizens rather than "what's good for them/what keeps them in line", but even the founder didn't intend the Judges to assume ultimate power iindefinitely.

You can have Freedom without Justice, but can you have Justice without Freedom? If the citizens have no say in what laws are imposed on them, then that's not Justice, that's oppression, plain and simple. And if it's a great system, why are the citizens routinely prone to criminality and psychosis? 

Now, that's not to say I am not a fan of the old style futuristic "post need" elements of Mega-City One, where citizens are ostensibly free to grow their noses and head eggs into buckets (if they arent being gassed into a stupor to keep the crime rate down) - again that's some of the charm and complexity of the story - the citizens ARE in many ways stupid children, who "need" keeping in line - but what's keeping them stupid children?

That scene with Judge Fargo in Origins came to me a bit shocking because almost the identical scene was used in 1995 film (never thought that I'll see something out of it in future comics). However, the issue is more broad than simple "Judges aren't meant to be what they are meant to be (aka, totalitarian rulers)". But, they come as response to Robert Booth horrid machinations with democracy. Question why the city hasn't grown beyond that is not answered in comics, I think. Remember, it's implied that throughout these comics that not only MC1 is a totalitarian city; instead, there is MC2, Sov Mega City, etc. Which would say that every megalopolis has judges as their rulers.
Now, maybe citizens aren't actually capable of knowing what's good for themselves? That notion subtly loomed over democracy arcs, but was never answered, at least not in an explicit manner. Who knows, maybe overpopulation and unemployment do lead to catastrophical issues?
And to draw comparison with the situation in the real world, some countries are not exactly far away from MC1. But at least they have less crime rate. The ultimate truth is, what I firmly believe, is that none of us have a proper and objective scent for justice. Because we all look to it from individual perspective.

Having said all of this, my personal favorite period in Dredd comics is the earliest one, not much wit there, just loads of silly stories with ironic humor.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 April, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
I thought all the dying Fargo reveals in the 95 film is that Dredd is a clone?  Certainly, at the end of the film, they are all beaming at the thought of continuing their jackbooted business as usual.

If the Fargo reveal makes you uncomfortable about years of rooting for Dredd, then I'd expect it was designed to
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: milstar on 19 April, 2021, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 April, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
I thought all the dying Fargo reveals in the 95 film is that Dredd is a clone?  Certainly, at the end of the film, they are all beaming at the thought of continuing their jackbooted business as usual.

If the Fargo reveal makes you uncomfortable about years of rooting for Dredd, then I'd expect it was designed to

It came odd as  never thought that I'd witness basically the same scene (where Judges aren't meant to be the definite solution for the MC1) from the movie in a comic decade afterwards. I guess, flawed it is, 1995 film broke some new mold for its time.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 April, 2021, 01:09:09 PM
Quote from: milstar on 19 April, 2021, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 April, 2021, 12:27:52 PM
I thought all the dying Fargo reveals in the 95 film is that Dredd is a clone?  Certainly, at the end of the film, they are all beaming at the thought of continuing their jackbooted business as usual.

If the Fargo reveal makes you uncomfortable about years of rooting for Dredd, then I'd expect it was designed to

It came odd as  never thought that I'd witness basically the same scene (where Judges aren't meant to be the definite solution for the MC1) from the movie in a comic decade afterwards. I guess, flawed it is, 1995 film broke some new mold for its time.

King Carlos himself took a design element or two from the film (can't remember what - something to do with the lawmaster?) so that film did have some good points.  Just a pity it wasn't the story, dialogue or codpieces.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 19 April, 2021, 01:57:05 PM
I remember the little bumps near the chin of the movie helmet appeared in Carlos's version around the time when The Pit was published, and some of the other Pit artists followed suit.  Thankfully the codpiece and lycra leggings didn't.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 April, 2021, 02:20:47 PM
Maybe my memeory is faulty here Mistar, but doe Fargo really say "we must undo the Judge system" in the film?

He reveals that Dredd and Rico are clones and that Griffin(?) needs stopping - can;t recall anything about overturning the Judge system  -just stopping Griffin introducing his clone army, which is pretty muchjust a reflection of Fago slapping down Judd's plans to clone everything in sight!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 April, 2021, 02:55:11 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 19 April, 2021, 02:20:47 PM
Maybe my memeory is faulty here Mistar, but doe Fargo really say "we must undo the Judge system" in the film?

He reveals that Dredd and Rico are clones and that Griffin(?) needs stopping - can;t recall anything about overturning the Judge system  -just stopping Griffin introducing his clone army, which is pretty muchjust a reflection of Fago slapping down Judd's plans to clone everything in sight!

milstar is obviously trying to tempt us in to re-watching the 1995 film.  What's more, to do so with the volume turned up.  Nobody deserves that!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 April, 2021, 03:09:39 PM
I did have a quick look to see if it was on Netflix! :p

You can probably make a better case for Galen Demarco being inspired by film Hershey than comic Fargo by film Fargo?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 April, 2021, 03:16:38 PM
Alright, I'll take the plunge.  I'll volunteer to watch that scene.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 19 April, 2021, 03:34:08 PM
Fargo: The blind lady.

Joseph: Who is she?

Fargo: Justice.  Before your time.  We should never have taken justice out of her hands.

Joseph: We brought order to chaos, sir.

Fargo: That we did.  Solved many problems, but created many more.  Being a judge, Joseph.  Perhaps too much power in one person's hands.  We once tried to compensate, create the perfect judge.  We called it Janus.  Four decades ago, DNA samples were taken from the original Council.  One was chosen. Mine.  We altered it to enhance
the best qualities and screen out the worst, weaknesses, frailties.  We created you.

Joseph:  You didn't create me, sir, I have a family.

Fargo: No.

Joseph: At the Academy, you told me they were killed when I was very young.

Fargo: A lie.

Joseph: I have a picture of them.

Fargo: A fake. We lied to both of you.

Joseph: Both?

Fargo: There was another infant created in that experiment, but something went wrong.  Genetically mutated
to the perfect criminal.

Joseph: I have a brother?

Fargo: You were best friends at the Academy.  Star pupils.  And then he turned.  And for his crimes, you judged him.

Joseph: Rico?  Rico.  You let me judge my own brother?  You never told me, sir.

Fargo: I couldn't!  You were like a son to me!

Joseph: A son?  My whole life is a lie.

Fargo: Rico had to be executed to protect you, to protect the city.

Joseph: Rico, Rico.  He's alive!

Fargo: No.  I signed the order myself - I saw the report.

Joseph: I didn't kill Hammond.  It was him.  It was his DNA that convicted me.

Fargo: Griffin.  It was Griffin.

Joseph: Griffin, yes. 

Fargo: We've both been deceived, Joseph.  I'm so sorry.  Rico's killed me and destroyed you!  Find him, Joseph.

Joseph: Don't die.

Fargo: -

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 April, 2021, 04:07:22 PM
Ah yes, well, regrets he had a few - it's not quite the same beat though  - he's more cut up about the cloning angle than instant justice - the "taking Justice out of her hands"bit is an aside rather than the main course (never served) at the end of Origins
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: milstar on 19 April, 2021, 11:43:15 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 19 April, 2021, 03:16:38 PM
Alright, I'll take the plunge.  I'll volunteer to watch that scene.

God will repay you :)

Now I can't remember the exact bits of dialogue between Dredd and Fargo, but if given excerpt is correct, then it's more or less what I remember. Which struck me when I read Origins, with Fargo basically repeating the same sentiment on the Judges. "Solved many problems, but created more". Interestingly, that angle also came from one of the major point of utter annoyance, and this is Rob Schneider.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 April, 2021, 01:11:52 AM
Haha, I don't post for a week and a political discussion breaks out! I haven't read Origins yet, but it's a really exciting one for me, since everyone talks about it in these discussions. But for now let's talk about some classic Dredd action!

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We start our series of collected coverage of the Judge Dredd Complete Casefiles with volume one, covering progs 2 to 60. The earliest adventures of the lawman of the future, complete with long lost brothers, space olympics, robot revolutions, and overbearing housekeepers! It's an exciting time, and we hope you'll enjoy reliving it with us.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 20 April, 2021, 02:40:43 PM
i am curious if you will do collections of stuff you already did as collections if i recall the contents of casefiles 2 ended up as two seperate collections in the past and i think you did a collection of casefiles 6 a while back
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 21 April, 2021, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 20 April, 2021, 02:40:43 PM
i am curious if you will do collections of stuff you already did as collections if i recall the contents of casefiles 2 ended up as two seperate collections in the past and i think you did a collection of casefiles 6 a while back
Haha, I am ashamed to say that there will be some repackaging of previously released material in this new collection! Like all comics things it's so important to recollect all collections!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 April, 2021, 09:34:24 PM
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We continue our series of collected coverage of the Judge Dredd Complete Casefiles with volume two, covering progs 61 to 115. This time Dredd gets epic, with a pair of massive tales, The Cursed Earth and The Day the Law Died! It's an adventurous good time, and we hope you'll enjoy reliving it with us.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 May, 2021, 04:31:36 PM
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We continue our series of collected coverage of the Judge Dredd Complete Casefiles with volume three, covering progs 116 to 154, and the 1979 2000AD Annual. After some epic tales it's time to dig in and learn about the world Dredd lives in, with a collection of tales focusing on Mega-City One. Of course there's still time for massive spider invasions, were-dinosaurs, and inter-dimensional avatars of death, don't worry!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 May, 2021, 04:17:32 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and fifty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 764-767 of 2000AD, covering January 1992. This episode Dredd and Bix Barton head to space, Trash travels some country roads, Durham Red is just plain tripping, and both Brigand Doom and Skizz return for new journeys!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Sean SD on 24 May, 2021, 12:24:14 PM
Conrad and Fox,
I enjoyed the Case Files collection no. 5 over the weekend especially when Conrad said something along the lines of:

(loud voice) and The Dark Judges are defeated for ever!!
(fast disclaimer voice) Judge Death with return in 1985

Gave me a chuckle lol

now listening to "I am the Law" by The Human League
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 May, 2021, 05:23:28 PM
Quote from: Sean SD on 24 May, 2021, 12:24:14 PM
Conrad and Fox,
I enjoyed the Case Files collection no. 5 over the weekend especially when Conrad said something along the lines of:

(loud voice) and The Dark Judges are defeated for ever!!
(fast disclaimer voice) Judge Death with return in 1985

Gave me a chuckle lol

now listening to "I am the Law" by The Human League
I'm not gonna lie, I love doing that!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 29 May, 2021, 06:33:16 PM
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In our mega thirteenth episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with issues sixteen and seventeen of the Judge Dredd Megazine, cover dates January & February 1992. This episode we're starting a new year in the Megazine with the end of Raptaur, the arrival of the Brit City Babes, and more Heavy Metal Dredd and Middenface McNulty!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 May, 2021, 07:05:36 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and fifty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 768-771 of 2000AD, covering February 1992. This episode Dredd brings justice to outer space, Skizz makes a new friend, Durham Red heats up, and Finn is here to squash some newts!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 June, 2021, 06:32:51 AM
Hope everyone's been enjoying these ;)
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In our thrilling two hundred and fifty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 772-775 of 2000AD, covering February & March 1992. This episode Dredd goes up against some Koole dudes, we'll get the band back together in Skizz, Finn is hunting newts, and we'll learn more about The Clown and Tales From Beyond Science!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 28 June, 2021, 07:28:47 PM
Enjoying your recent episodes!

Listened to the Dredd Mega-Special issue today - man, if I ahd remembered how much I love Juves in the Hood I'd have put my name down!

The artist is pseudonym and does reappear using his real name Edmund Bagwell, sadly departed. I adored his art and patiently waited for more Dredd from him.... sadly not to be, though his future work for the Prog will be just as impressive when you get to it, Conrad.  Just an amaing style, at a time when the Megzine in particular could have done with a solid artist - I reckon he could ahve been that Era.s Cam Kennedy or Jock.

The Red Razors is just horrible misogynistic pap that thinks (to be fair, like  lot of other media at the time) that referencing better things in a vaguely sneery way is great - like eating the meat of the tiger makes you strong, sticking a Fawlty Towers reference in means the strip gains its powers....

Raymond and Hefner - the Raymond is Paul Raymond, Britains top pornographer of the time - Steve Coogan  played him in the film The Look of Love:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Look_of_Love_%28film%29 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Look_of_Love_%28film%29)






Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 July, 2021, 12:31:59 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and fifty-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 788-791 of 2000AD, covering June & July 1992. This episode the walking dead have Dredd under siege, the Kola Kommandos are over the moon, we'll reach climaxes for ABC Warriors, Rogue Trooper, and Button Man, as the phase four prologue begins in Zenith!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2021, 01:40:58 PM
Oh lovely to have you back here. I was beginning to think you were ignoring us. The new episodes have been as glorious as ever, but the 'Judgement Zone' adds a whole new level to the fun.

So have you made plans for Space Spinner Live since you are coming our way???
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 17 July, 2021, 03:39:42 PM
Really finding the take on 'Swimming in Blood' fascinating. I think its John Smith second 'complete' work (after New Statesmen in Crisis.) By which I mean all the stuff before those two had real highs and elements that made them sing and great. But other elements that didn't quite work so well. There was some brilliant stories in his earlier works but for me New Statements and Swimnming in Blood are the stories that move John Smith from - Wow this bloke is great - he's really going somewhere - to WOW THIS BLOKE IS AMAZING - HE'S AMONGST THE VERY BEST 2000ad HAS TO OFFER (AND COMICS COME TO THAT)...

... so yeah the time John Smith goes all caps then I guess!

I've always read Devlin's laconic style as his coping mechanism. Its not that he's so relaxed and laid back, rather he's terrified and this is how he copes.

Fantastic Podcast(s) as ever Conrad.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 July, 2021, 09:27:33 PM
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In our mega nineteenth episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues five and six of the Judge Dredd Megazine, cover date June 27th and July 11th, 1992. This episode the zombie apocalypse is nigh in all four stories! We've got a pair of zombie apocalypses, a zombie-esque vampire apocalypse, and a pending nuclear apocalypse. APOCALYPSE-A-GO-GO!

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Quote from: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2021, 01:40:58 PM
So have you made plans for Space Spinner Live since you are coming our way???
No firm plans made yet, but it would be silly to not figure things out!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 July, 2021, 11:56:09 AM
Having just listen to Conrad's and Fox's wrap up on Kola Kommandos I'm going to stick my neck and say I actually like it. Here's what I said on a recent(ish) re-read

QuoteKola Kommandos to be honest never gets the dip I seemed to remember. It remains reckless and immense fun. I really enjoyed it, which is not to say its good. Its not, its a mass of problems and silly ideas. Its also a mass of themes and good ideas. And somehow it works really well at the same time as dying on its arse... and I loved it!

Its really hard to disagree with anything C&F say about the strip, they are right... but as is the glory of the diverse opinions held in 2000ad fandom ... whatever it is there will be some folks who love it and some folks who don't get on with it and those subjective divergences are one of the things I love most about us minions of Tharg.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 July, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 21 July, 2021, 11:56:09 AM
Its really hard to disagree with anything C&F say about the strip, they are right... but as is the glory of the diverse opinions held in 2000ad fandom ... whatever it is there will be some folks who love it and some folks who don't get on with it and those subjective divergences are one of the things I love most about us minions of Tharg.

For sure! I can't stress enough that Fox and I's opinions are in no way guaranteed correct or definitive. Honestly one of my favorite things about the podcast now is sparking discussions about thrills that have otherwise gone unremarked upon for many years!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 22 July, 2021, 08:33:17 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 21 July, 2021, 11:56:09 AM
Having just listen to Conrad's and Fox's wrap up on Kola Kommandos I'm going to stick my neck and say I actually like it. Here's what I said on a recent(ish) re-read

QuoteKola Kommandos to be honest never gets the dip I seemed to remember. It remains reckless and immense fun. I really enjoyed it, which is not to say its good. Its not, its a mass of problems and silly ideas. Its also a mass of themes and good ideas. And somehow it works really well at the same time as dying on its arse... and I loved it!

Its really hard to disagree with anything C&F say about the strip, they are right... but as is the glory of the diverse opinions held in 2000ad fandom ... whatever it is there will be some folks who love it and some folks who don't get on with it and those subjective divergences are one of the things I love most about us minions of Tharg.

but WHY?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 22 July, 2021, 09:32:12 PM
Actually took notes this time!

Eli should include Dredd in his art piece, because A: It's Dredd and having him with the villains is what makes the comic stand out from the crowd and B: He has probably offed more people than Judge Death - OK, so he didnt know about the Apocalypse Warp, but he still sent all thosse TADs so directly responsible for nuking Hippie World!

The dtes in Stront are ALL OVER THE PLACE! They kept the dates fine up until Rage - 2150 Alpha is born, joins the SD Agency in 2167,  2170 he meets Wulf

Starlord starts in 2180, Wulf dies in 2185.

Then it all goes wrong in Final Solution which is set 2 years after Wulf dies.... 2180! Judgement Day runs with this error, setting itself in 2178, so two years before the first Starlord story, let alone after Wulf's death.  I take this to be a secret, possibly subconscious  attempt by the writers to tell me these are not canonical... :p

If the West Coast falls into the sea, what do they rebuild in subsequent Chopper tale? How much of the coast do you lose if the San Andreas fault goes?

The fight between Dredd, Sadu and Alpha is peak Ennis Dredd-love. I have no problem with Dredd beating Alpha - it isnt there is no contest, just that it is one with an inevitable outcome. Sadu on the other hand is likely to be a tougher cookie. 

But add in Dredd has a punctured lung and he is taking them on at the same time... and at this time of all times.  "Real" Dredd would have given Sadu a verbal dressing down about not being a prick, which wouyld ahve been much omre characterful and memorable than the fan wankery we got.

Zenith is commenting on the Madchester scene and the 60s revival of the late 80s early 90s I presume - the maracas are a clear Bez of Happy Mondays fame reference - along with the bowl haircut, it is reference to how those bands had a big dose of pyschedelia inspiration in their sound - stuff like the La's Byrds inspired/rip off "There She Goes" or Stone Roses Byrds inspired/rip off "I Am The Resurrection"

Tharg slagging off the old strips is the last refuge of the scoundrel.  Even is Return to Armageddon and Fiends had been bad strips (which they were most certainly not!), its such a lame argument that is accepting that the stuff you re putting out now is shit.  "The Memory Cheats", my arse!






Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 23 July, 2021, 06:43:12 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 22 July, 2021, 09:32:12 PM
How much of the coast do you lose if the San Andreas fault goes?

None. It's not like an overhang. The two plates are grinding along the fault line, not splitting apart - and even if they were splitting apart, that would just make a big crack, neither side of which would fall or sink, as there's nowhere to fall or sink to, as each side is supported by its respective plate.

Did this idea come from Superman II?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 23 July, 2021, 06:56:14 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 22 July, 2021, 09:32:12 PM
Tharg slagging off the old strips is the last refuge of the scoundrel.  Even is Return to Armageddon and Fiends had been bad strips (which they were most certainly not!), its such a lame argument that is accepting that the stuff you re putting out now is shit.  "The Memory Cheats", my arse!

In reading the Megazine's Encyclopedia I've been wondering about the lack of critique. I mean, I get it: the remit is clearly to be descriptive rather than judgmental, and one person's Marmite is another person's Marmite, but there's something uncanny about it.

On the other hand, if editorial decry something from the past as being mightily pants, well - it's a bit like any reader saying something is mightily pants - that's just, like, their opinion, man.

I had pondered applying a five-Tharg rating (like the five stars in Empire) to each entry in my A-Z, but I avoided it because there's no methodical way of doing it - at the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference.   
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 July, 2021, 08:06:24 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo on 23 July, 2021, 06:56:14 AM
I had pondered applying a five-Tharg rating (like the five stars in Empire) to each entry in my A-Z, but I avoided it because there's no methodical way of doing it - at the end of the day, it comes down to personal preference.

Oh but it would give us a fascinating starting point for discussion.

I'm seriously considering ranking all the Year of Thrill power in order when I get to the end of my re-read. Not to claim its any kinda definitive list - just for the fun of it and to have something for other folks to bounce off.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 23 July, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 July, 2021, 07:41:36 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 21 July, 2021, 11:56:09 AM
Its really hard to disagree with anything C&F say about the strip, they are right... but as is the glory of the diverse opinions held in 2000ad fandom ... whatever it is there will be some folks who love it and some folks who don't get on with it and those subjective divergences are one of the things I love most about us minions of Tharg.

For sure! I can't stress enough that Fox and I's opinions are in no way guaranteed correct or definitive. Honestly one of my favorite things about the podcast now is sparking discussions about thrills that have otherwise gone unremarked upon for many years!


True about some thrills having gone under-the-radar for decades.  While I could remember there was a strip called Kola Kommandos which I read when it came out, I wouldn't have been able to tell you the slightest thing about it...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 02 August, 2021, 04:38:20 AM
Before Conrad drops the inevitable link I just want to apologuise to Funt in advance. You will know why in this weeks podcast
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 August, 2021, 06:37:03 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and sixty-first episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1993 2000AD Yearbook.  This is the second 2000AD Yearbook, an annual-type document with a bunch of theoretically art themed stories featuring Durham Red, Robo-Hunter, Indigo Prime, Bix Barton, Brigand Doom, Rogue trooper, and Strontium Dogs, as well as a reality bending Dredd story and some classic Sláine action!

This episode Conrad is joined by friend of the show Dave, also known as THE MONARCH on the 2000AD Forums!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 August, 2021, 09:37:02 AM
I had no idea Tufnell Park was mentioned (used to be my local station!)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 09 August, 2021, 06:20:58 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and sixty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 800-803 of 2000AD, covering September & October 1992. This episode Judge and Marshal show down, woman and dinosaur team up, Luke Kirby comes back, Zenith blows over, and Wireheads jacks in!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 11 August, 2021, 01:39:13 AM
why is robohunter?

why is duckie a traitor other than "terrible 90s lol gay people are evil lol rhetoric?"

why is doc magnet suddenly mr rogers when in earlier parts he was portrayed as a generic millar hardman?

why is kid even here?

why is robohunter?

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 August, 2021, 04:08:04 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 11 August, 2021, 01:39:13 AM
why is robohunter?

why is duckie a traitor other than "terrible 90s lol gay people are evil lol rhetoric?"

why is doc magnet suddenly mr rogers when in earlier parts he was portrayed as a generic millar hardman?

why is kid even here?

why is robohunter?
Only the Shadow knows!

(https://i.imgur.com/INixPtY.jpg)
In our mega twenty-third episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues nine and ten of the Judge Dredd Megazine, cover date September 18th and October 3rd, 1992. This episode Dredd quells a sector, the whisky flows in Calhab, we're on the case with Armitage, we'll check in on both Judges Anderson and Hershey, and there's a new cop on the beat, MECHANISMO!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 August, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and sixty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 804-807 of 2000AD, covering October 1992. This episode Judges Dredd and Joyce are on the hunt for gold, Luke Kirby is hunting vampires, Wireheads surf the web, and we'll return to the Pat Mills Power Hour as Finn returns alongside Flesh!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 August, 2021, 05:32:26 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 02 August, 2021, 04:38:20 AM
Before Conrad drops the inevitable link I just want to apologuise to Funt in advance. You will know why in this weeks podcast

Huh?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 16 August, 2021, 06:20:17 PM
The most fun anyone ever had due to Wireheads!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 30 August, 2021, 12:26:28 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and sixty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 812-815 of 2000AD, covering December 1992. This episode Dredd deals with old rivals and Christmas fun, Dead Meat returns with a history lesson, Finn, Luke Kirby, Revere, and Robo-Hunter all take a leap, and it's séance time for Brigand Doom!

This episode is pretty echo-y, for reasons that will become clear soon!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 31 August, 2021, 04:12:02 PM
Inspector Raam's first name is Larry because of pop-cultural reference - Toytown / Larry the Lamb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toytown)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 September, 2021, 12:33:13 PM
It's coming up to Spinnies time - so here's a few lists to help you make your decisions.  I'm sure Conrad will be along soon to explain what to do!

Best Art
Anthony Williams
Arthur Ranson
Brett Ewins
Brian Williamson
Carl Critchlow
Carlos Ezquerra
Cliff Robinson
Colin MacNeil
Dave D'Antiquis
George Coleman
Greg Staples
Ian Gibson
Jeff Anderson
Jim Baikie
Jim Elston
Jim McCarthy
John Burns
John Ridgway
Jose Casanovas
Jose Casanovas Jnr
Kevin Walker
Kevin Wicks
Lee Sullivan
Mick Austin
Mike Hadley
Nigel Dobbyn
Oliver Frey
Peter Doherty
Rian Hughes
Richard Dolan
Robert Bliss
Ron Smith
Sean Phillips
Simon Coleby
Simon Harrison
Simon Jacob
Staz Johnson
Steve Cook
Steve Yeowell
Stuart Jennett
Tim Bollard




Best Writing
Alan Grant
Alan McKenzie
Brian Williamson
Frances Lynn
Garth Ennis
Igor Goldkind
Jim Baikie
John Smith
John Tomlinson
John Wagner
Mark Eyles
Mark Millar
Michael Cook
Michael Fleisher
Pat Mills
Paul Kupperberg
Peter Hogan
Peter Milligan
Steve Parkhouse
Tim Bollard
Tony Skinner



Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 September, 2021, 12:34:17 PM
Now for the stories!


Best Overall Thrill 
A.B.C. Warriors   Khronicles of Khaos Part 2
Bix Barton   Bloated Case of the Fatted Keef
Bradley   Bedtime Stories
Brigand Doom   Voodoo Child
Brigand Doom   Spirits Willing
Button Man   Book I: The Killing Game
The Clown   The Clown Book I
Dead Meat   Dead Meat Book 2
Durham Red   Island of the Damned
Finn   Finn Book 1
Finn   Finn Book 2
Flesh   The Legend of Shamana Book I
Harlem Heroes   Grey Ghost Overflight
Journal of Luke Kirby   The Night Walker
Kola Kommandos   Kola Kommandos
Revere   Written in Water
Robo-Hunter   Return to Verdus
Robo-Hunter   Aces of Slades
Rogue Trooper   Apocalypse Dreadnought
Skizz   Skizz II: Alien Cultures
Trash   Trash
Wireheads   Wireheads Book 1
Zenith   Phase 4
The Dredds
Judge Dredd   Voodoo Child
Judge Dredd   Justice 1
Judge Dredd   Koole Killers
Judge Dredd   First of the Many
Judge Dredd   Babes in Arms
Judge Dredd   Almighty Dredd
Judge Dredd   A Magic Place
Judge Dredd   Judgement Day
Judge Dredd   The Marshal
Judge Dredd   Innocents Abroad
Judge Dredd   The Magic Mellow Out
Judge Dredd   Raider
Judge Dredd   Christmas With Attitude

Tharg's Shorts!
Tales From Beyond Science   The Men in Red
Tales From Beyond Science   The Music Man
Tales From Beyond Science   Long Distance Calls
Tales From Beyond Science   Agents of Mu-Mu
Tales From Beyond Science   The Eyes of Edwin Spendlove
Tales From Beyond Science   Secrets of the Organism
   
Tharg's Future Shocks   One-Way Ticket
Tharg's Future Shocks   Nightmare on Ses*me Street
Tharg's Future Shocks   A Fete Worse Than Death
Tharg's Future Shocks   We Come in Peace
Tharg's Future Shocks   A Hitch in Time
Tharg's Future Shocks   Hot Iron
Tharg's Future Shocks   Seeds
Tharg's Future Shocks   This Island East Dulwich
Tharg's Future Shocks   Attack of the Crab Monsters
   
Tharg's Dragon Tales   Enter the Dragon
Tharg's Dragon Tales   The Challenge
Tharg's Dragon Tales   Dragon Tales
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 September, 2021, 12:35:38 PM
For completeness' sake:


Best Month of Progs
January
February
March
April
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December


Best Year of 2000AD
1977
1978
1979
1980
1981
1982
1983
1984
1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
1990
1991
1992

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 September, 2021, 12:36:57 PM
Now for the Meggies!

Best Art
Barry Kitson
Brian Bolland
Carlos Ezquerra
Charlie Adlard
Chris Halls
Colin MacNeil
David Bishop (credited as a cover artist on Barney)
David Roach
Dean Ormston
Gina Hart (colour)
John Hicklenton
John McCrea
John Ridgway
Mark Wilkinson
Nick Percival
Paul Peart
Robin Boutell (colour)
Roger Langridge
Russell Fox
Sam Kieth
Sean Phillips
Shaky Kane
Siku
Simon Bisley
Steve Sampson
Xuasus
Yan Shimony


Best Writing
Alan Grant
Dave Stone
David Bishop
Garth Ennis
Jim Alexander
John Smith
John Wagner
Nicholas Barber
Peter Cornwall
Robbie Morrison
Tony Luke

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 September, 2021, 12:38:10 PM
Best Overall Thrill   
Al's Baby   Blood on the Bib
Armageddon   The Bad Man
Armitage   Influential Circles
Brit-Cit Babes   Brit-Cit Babes
Calhab Justice   Calhab Justice
Calhab Justice   Hogmanay
Devlin Waugh   Swimming in Blood
Judge Anderson   Blythe Spirit
Judge Anderson   The Witch? Report
Judge Hershey   Down Time
Judge Hershey   The Not-So-Merry Wives of Windsor
Judge Hershey   Deathsquads
Middenface McNulty   Wan Man an' His Dug
The Straitjacket Fits   The Straitjacket Fits
Soul Sisters   Soul Sisters
Strange Cases   Skin Games
Strange Cases   Monsters
Strange Cases   The Great Outdoors

The Dredds (and Dredd's shorts)
Judge Dredd   Raptaur
Judge Dredd   The Hand of Fate
Judge Dredd   The Boy Who Thought He Wasn't
Judge Dredd   I Was a Teenage Mutant Ninja Priest Killer
Judge Dredd   Texas City Sting
Judge Dredd   Judgement Day
Judge Dredd   Taking of Sector 123
Judge Dredd   Mechanismo
Judge Dredd   A Christmas Carol
   
Heavy Metal Dredd   Rock On, Tommy Who?!
Heavy Metal Dredd   Chicken Run
Heavy Metal Dredd   The Man Who Killed Judge Dredd
Heavy Metal Dredd   The Legend of Johnny Biker
Heavy Metal Dredd   The Return of Johnny Biker





Best Month of Megs
January
February
March
April
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December




Best Year of Megs
1990
1991
1992



Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 September, 2021, 12:38:44 PM
All information culled from Barney - any mistakes are probably mine.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 10 September, 2021, 02:20:02 PM
I appreciate this work Sheridan! Get your Spinny nominations in soon!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 September, 2021, 02:28:24 PM
Ta!  And I really need to get that blog post out (the one mentioned in the very latest SpaceSpinner 2000 episode).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 September, 2021, 03:14:44 PM
Ohh have we still got time - in that case I'd be a fool to out Sheridan's hard work to waste.

Strangely this year is quite easy. I guess there's a bit of a gulf between the good stuff and the rest. There's still a solid middle ground in 1992, but we're also beginning to really see the gap in quality open up overall as there's a few stinkers if I'm being honest

Best Art

Its not Steve Yeowell's strongest year for me as he moves more and more towards other folks colouring his work and Colin MacNeil can wait for the Meggies... this one has to go to

Arthur RansonOf course for Button Man - its just next level stuff

Runner up mentinos for Jim Baikie - adore his stuff and Rian Hughes a really undervalued wonder in my mind.

Best Writing

Okay so if I wasn't going for John Wagner for Button Man I'd being going John Smith or Grant Morrison for such a magnificent ending to Zenith... but really I'd just be being belligerent if I didn't go with

John Wagner for Buttonman

Best Overall Thrill

Well give what I've said so far I'd be hard pressed to not say

Button Man for this one

Revere - Written in Water and Zenith - Phase 4 are very worthy runners-up.

Best Month.... Juuullllyyyyyyy mayyyyybe. Its the only month with both Button Man AND Zenith in it so i guess that carries it over the line...

Best Year - 1987 which it will remain until we party like its 1999
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 10 September, 2021, 03:25:15 PM
Meggies! - if its not too late:

Best Art Colin MacNeil his still this year is just top, top quality at a level I don't th9ink he topped until his recent out put.... well I say recent the work he's done since Insurrection is some of the best to ever grace the Prog or the Meg.

Runner up Shaky Kane. Might not have been the best thrill BUT damn he does some lovely art. Sean Phillips for Devlin Waugh

Best Writing

John Smith yep I love Swimming in Blood

John Wagner clearly deserves a runner up mention.

Best thrill

Its not close - Devlin Waugh - Swimming in Blood just a magnificent epic story, so dripping in atmosphere.

Best Month - August - If I'm honest it has the least bad strips backing up Swimming in Blood.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 10 September, 2021, 03:26:45 PM
Best story Button Man
Best writer John Wagner
Best artist Arthur Ranson

Top thrill - meeting the actual Conrad in the pub under the Watson, Crick & Franklin plaques!!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 September, 2021, 03:47:28 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 10 September, 2021, 03:26:45 PM
Best story Button Man
Best writer John Wagner
Best artist Arthur Ranson

Top thrill - meeting the actual Conrad in the pub under the Watson, Crick & Franklin plaques!!!

You went to the Eagle?  We were at the same pub about a month earlier!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 10 September, 2021, 03:47:54 PM
p.s. good pub, nice food and even the wooden statue of an eagle was wearing a mask!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 10 September, 2021, 04:08:43 PM
2000AD

Best Art - John Ridgway - Luke Kirby  The Night Walker

Best Writing - John Wagner - Button Man

Best Overall Thrill - Button Man  Book I: The Killing Game

Meggies

Best Art - Carlos Ezquerra - Al's Baby, Armageddon
Best Writing - John Wagner - Mechanismo
Best Overall Thrill - Judge Dredd  Mechanismo
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 10 September, 2021, 04:22:29 PM
Did my Spinnies on FB, but forgot my Meggies...

I've long held that it was only the Megazine that kept me reading House Tharg through the early 90s, but this is a shaky year and no mistake. 

I suppose I hadnt yet soured on Alan Grant's solo stuff, and there is a fair amount to like about his Anderson, though not quite so much about his Middenface.  The quality swings pretty wildly between the highs of Mechanismo and the lows we will glosee over - well, glos over all but one - Death Squads is one of the earliest examples of a story I could not fathom had made it into print, featuring the sort of sanctioned extra-judicial murdering that would ahve Dredd questioning whether the Referendum result was the right one.

It just doesnt sit right with any vision of the Judges I have (they are bad enough being blatantly terrible!) and it's maybe the first time in an oft repeated trope that will culminate in many an interminable "Invisible Judge Ninjas" saga in later years....

But we arent here for later years

All the prizes go to Wagner for writing, to MacNeil for drawing and to Mechanismo for being so gosh darned the sort of direction we needed the strip to take.

Best year is 1991

MVP is obviously Wagner, who is keeping me hanging on.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 September, 2021, 01:15:11 PM
Final call for 1992 Spinny awards! You've still got a couple hours to make your voice heard! Meggies you've still got a few more days.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 September, 2021, 03:06:57 PM
Spinnies Thrill Revere - Written in Water

Spinnies art droid Simon Harrison

Meggies Thrill Judge Dredd - Raptaur (though I was also tempted by Mechanismo - but I'm going to guess plenty of other people will vote for that, either here or elsewhere).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 12 September, 2021, 08:17:59 PM
Sorry, prob too late for the Spinnies! But for forms sake, my votes go to...
Arthur Ransom, John Wagner and Button Man. No contest!
Best month: March. Look, I like the Clown, alright. And I've a lot of time for SkIIzz and Finn.
Best Year: gonna say 1991, because right now I am remembering Killing Time, Revere and Dead Meat and have forgotten all the bad bits.
MVP for 1992: Rian Hughes, for those little swirls of hear above the tea cups, and for making one-off stories fun to read again.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 November, 2021, 08:52:47 AM
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Sorry it's been so long everyone!

In our thrilling two hundred and sixty-ninth (nice!) episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 816-819 of 2000AD, covering January 1993. This episode it's a new year, new us! We're punching our way through these progs like an angry monkey from another dimension with boxing gloves!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 November, 2021, 10:58:18 AM
Wayhey - always lovely to have you folks back - hope you are settling into the UK okay and the October weather isn't too much of a shock to the system!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 November, 2021, 12:07:25 PM
Also, speaking of acclimatising to life in the UK - I've been listening to some of your older episodes lately - have you tried Monster Munch yet (though I realise they might have been in that care package sent over to you when you were both in the US)?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 November, 2021, 08:20:07 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 01 November, 2021, 10:58:18 AM
Wayhey - always lovely to have you folks back - hope you are settling into the UK okay and the October weather isn't too much of a shock to the system!
It's warmed up a bit, so i'm managing to muddle through. Dreading actual winter though.

Quote from: sheridan on 01 November, 2021, 12:07:25 PM
Also, speaking of acclimatising to life in the UK - I've been listening to some of your older episodes lately - have you tried Monster Munch yet (though I realise they might have been in that care package sent over to you when you were both in the US)?
I remain terrified of many of the flavors, though I do have a bag of beef Space Raiders in my place at the moment!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 November, 2021, 08:21:02 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and seventy-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 824-827 of 2000AD, covering February and March 1993. This episode we're clearing the deck for a big spring relaunch, so we've got episodic Dredd, the return of Nemesis, Bradley and Robo-hunter, climaxes for Strontium Dogs and Flesh, more Kelly cliffhangers, and some future shocks!+

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 November, 2021, 08:22:51 AM
What's all this talk of Poland - has the dream of Space Spinner LIVE died already!!!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 November, 2021, 05:40:48 PM
While there was an episode done while Fox was on a business trip, we're now returning to how Space Spinner began, recording remotely while in the same time zone! Honestly we do way too much physical comedy when we're in the same room anyway, it's for the best.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2021, 06:23:43 AM
The dream lives on!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 November, 2021, 12:38:37 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and seventy-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 828-831 of 2000AD, covering March and April 1993. This episode we're starting a bunch of all new stories, with returns for Bad Company and Armoured Gideon and the debut of Firekind!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 22 November, 2021, 10:00:58 PM
Interesting side-note about the Mark Millar birthday Dredd not appearing in the Casefiles between volumes 18 & 19. I wasn't aware of that - anyone know if it was due to formatting to get the right length for each book, simple mistake or something more deliberate?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 November, 2021, 10:36:00 PM
I've since learned that it may actually be in volume 18, but isn't listed in the official lists of contents?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 23 November, 2021, 08:54:20 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 November, 2021, 10:36:00 PM
I've since learned that it may actually be in volume 18, but isn't listed in the official lists of contents?

Joining John Cassavetes on the list of things that Justice Dept doesn't want us to know!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 November, 2021, 06:53:53 PM
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In our mega twenty-ninth episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues 23 to 26 of the Judge Dredd Megazine, covering March and April 1993. This episode Anderson finds Jesus, Dredd fights Mechanismo, Sleeze 'n' Ryder find America, Al's Baby flies to an end, and Heavy Metal Dredd is filthy!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 January, 2022, 09:54:14 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and seventy-fifth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 836-839 of 2000AD, covering May & June 1993. This episode we're rolling forward with Firekind, Armoured Gideon, closing down Kano, thrilling to the return of the Muzak killer and chilling to the start of Tharg's Terror Tales!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 25 January, 2022, 01:06:28 PM
a moment of silence for conrad and fox murdered in their prime by big dave
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 29 January, 2022, 10:41:57 PM
All joking aside, and knowing that Conrad is otherwise distracted by his big move, I do in my darker moments of waiting for the next episode worry if Fox has just thrown up his hands in despair at Big Dave and is refusing to go any further.

Watch now as BD becomes Fox's favourite Thrill....


Quote from: The Monarch on 25 January, 2022, 01:06:28 PM
a moment of silence for conrad and fox murdered in their prime by big dave
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 30 January, 2022, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 29 January, 2022, 10:41:57 PM
All joking aside, and knowing that Conrad is otherwise distracted by his big move, I do in my darker moments of waiting for the next episode worry if Fox has just thrown up his hands in despair at Big Dave and is refusing to go any further.

Watch now as BD becomes Fox's favourite Thrill....

I'm thinking that ignorance of some of the Brit cultural references would be a blessing when it comes to that period of 2000AD's history...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 07 February, 2022, 06:08:35 PM
OK, so is this when we need to take to the streets?

"They've taken our comic podcast!"

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 February, 2022, 08:08:39 AM
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In our mega thirty-first episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues 27-30 of the Judge Dredd Megazine, covering May & June 1993. This episode both Dredd and Hershey are after serial killers, Harke, Burr, and the Missionary Man are traveling the Cursed Earth, and Judge Anderson is on Mars!

Sorry for the delay, we should be back to weekly episodes starting now!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 February, 2022, 08:28:43 AM
WAYHEY - good to have you back!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 February, 2022, 10:04:35 AM
Good to have you back, shall listen during my lunch hour today!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 28 February, 2022, 05:14:23 PM
Hurrah!

Making Mondays more manageable again!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 01 March, 2022, 08:14:44 PM
In celebration, I have updated the SS2000 spreadsheet

There have been 203 episodes focusssing purely on the progs, with solidarity occuring 36% of the time.

There have been 100 individual stories

Bottom Thrills:

Colony Earth           -100%
Rick Random           -100%
Fervent & Lobe   -100%
Trash                   -100%
Mind of Wolfie Smith   -78%
Harlem Heroes II     -77%
Robo-Hunter II     -68%
Death Planet             -67%
Wireheads             -67%
Kola Kommandos     -63%

Top Thrills:

Skizz                  35%
Indigo Prime           36%
Harry 20                   42%
ABC Warriors           47%
Visible Man           50%
Hewligans Haircut   50%
Durham Red           50%
Shako                   63%
Revere                   63%
Mean Machine           67%
Halo Jones           70%


Note both of these are a percentage of times they could be voted for as top or bottom - so Colony Earth appeared in 3 episodes and was voted bottom thrill each time by both Conrad and Fox.

Halo Jones appeared in 10 episodes and was voted top 7 times by each of them.

Obviously context is everything - Nemesis and Stront had tougher competition than Mean Machine and Durham Red for example.  Also having one good but short run helps you score better, though all that makes Halo Jones performance even more impressive!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 March, 2022, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 March, 2022, 08:14:44 PM
In celebration, I have updated the SS2000 spreadsheet

Oh that is fantastic - and also very revealing. Poor ol' Kola Kommandos and Wolfie they didn't deserve such a hard time.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 02 March, 2022, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 01 March, 2022, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 March, 2022, 08:14:44 PM
In celebration, I have updated the SS2000 spreadsheet

Oh that is fantastic - and also very revealing. Poor ol' Kola Kommandos and Wolfie they didn't deserve such a hard time.

I'm sure Kola Kommandos will get bumped out once Big Dave is covered...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 02 March, 2022, 06:26:00 PM
Great to have it back. During the fallow period, I went back and started from the beginning and produced the following list of highlight quotes from the 1977 shows.

Episode 1 (progs 1 - 5)
Fox and Conrad enjoy the childish action nature of the launch strips, free gifts and the concept of 2000AD being robot produced and edited by an alien.
"So fucking awesome" - Fox's first ever expressed opinion on any 2000ad story (Invasion)
"She's the strongest female character in 2000AD" - Conrad on Old One Eye
"Dan Dare is the most boring character ever created" - Fox
"The team manages to win their first game, they beat the Baltimore Bulls which is a team of police officers and which is a weird commentary on 2016 politics somehow" - Conrad
"If we end up at prog 500...or even 100" - Conrad pondering how far the podcast will go
"Oi loik dinosaurs but I would loik them to fight cowboys!"  - Conrad speculating on the market research opinions expressed by 1970's British youth

Singing: Conrad sings Anthrax's "I Am The Law"

Episode 2 (progs 6 - 10)
Conrad highlights a letter that complains about how bad sci-fi films are and Tharg replies that readers should look out for the new film coming out in 1977 called 'StarWars' which might change the reader's mind.
"You are reminded constantly that his wife and son are dead and he is just going to destroy everything" - Fox on Invasion
"This kid's a prick" - Conrad's assessment of the first child to die in the pages of 2000AD (Flesh)
"It's 1977. man - you've just got to assume the USSR is going to be there forever" - Conrad  (Harlem Heroes)
"This wasn't the worst this week but it was also definately the worst" - Fox (Dan Dare)
"As soon as he started saying his own name - Call Me Kenneth - I got really happy" - Fox (Judge Dredd)

Episode 3 (progs 11 - 14)
"When all you have is a shotgun then the whole world looks like something that can be shotgunned" - Conrad (Invasion)
"Authority figures who think they know everything but are in fact wrong is a continuing theme of 2000ad" - Conrad (Flesh)
"I did not detest it this time" - Fox after the introduction of The Mekon (Dan Dare)
"Oh no!" - Fox on learning that Walter's speech impediment is permannent
"Is it racist? Oh, baby it's super racist!" - Conrad on MACH 1

Singing: Conrad sings the Heavy Metal Kids song
Episode 4 (progs 15 - 18)
"There's at least two 'quarry' based puns per page" - Conrad (Invasion)
Massimo Bellardinelli is the first artist credited in 2000AD and is discussed by Fox and Conrad (Dan Dare)

2000ad recurring themes
Danger acid makes its first appearance.
Explanation for the Bermuda triangle (MACH 1)
Call Me Kenneth is 2000AD villain who admires Adolf Hitler (Judge Dredd)
Stamp collecting ads

Episode 5 (progs 19 - 23)
"You wouldn't think that what's essentially kind of the same story over and over again...would remain the greatest thing ever - but it totally does!" Conrad (Invasion)
"I wouldn't give it to some kid that likes polar bears as an educational book" Conrad /(Shako)

2000ad recurring themes
- Biker gang (Invasion)
.
Episode 7 (progs 24 - 27)
"Quack quack Volgs!"
"I am a wuss from 35 years in the past from this comic but even one person dieing in the course of a game seems like a non-trivial amount" - Conrad (Harlem Heroes)
"In real life I'm terrified of bear attacks but I love them in print format" Conrad (Shako)
"All eskimos secretly want to kill everyone with bears" Fox (Shako)

2000ad recurring themes
- Size difference based story - Tiny aliems (Future Shock)


Episode 8 (progs 28 - 31)
Rico and Judge Giant first stories.
" ...we see Judge Dredd becoming colder and more efficient, and speaking of things which are cold and efficient THRILL THREE SHAKO!!!"
Transition fro Dredd to Shako

"So this series has gone from shit and garbage and tat to really great and I love it" Fox (Dan Dare)

2000ad recurring themes
Stamp collecting ads ("more interesting than the feature"- Fox)
It was earth all along (x3) (Future Shocks)

Episode 10 (progs 32 - 36)
Credit cards introduced.
"Judge Dredd kinda Die Hards his way through the hotel" - Conrad on Judge Dredd Computel
"He's got his puns working and that's all anyone can have" - Conrad on Dan Dare
"It's Gulliver's Travels if that was about murder" - Fox on Dan Dare

2000ad recurring themes
- Size difference based story - Giant pool table (Future Shock)

Episode 11 (progs 37 - 40)
Haircuts!
"They are being billetted inside the same boarding house that Savage, Silk and the Prince go to because there is no third amendment in England - that's right, shots fired again!" - Conrad (Invasion)

Episode 12 (progs 41 - 45)
"You've got to have these post kill quips otherwise what's the point?" - Conrad (Invasion)
"That was a really, really, really, good episode! - Fox, "This one prog is one of the greatest things I have ever seen in my life" - Conrad (M.A.C.H. 1)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 March, 2022, 10:54:58 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 March, 2022, 08:14:44 PM
In celebration, I have updated the SS2000 spreadsheet


Quote from: WhizzBang on 02 March, 2022, 06:26:00 PM
Great to have it back. During the fallow period, I went back and started from the beginning and produced the following list of highlight quotes from the 1977 shows.


Oh my gosh this is so amazing, I'm in awe! Again I'm really sorry the show was out of commission for so long, but we're back on track and on the new weekly cadence.

Also Leigh...as episode 300 nears, can you share a link to that spreadsheet? :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 06 March, 2022, 03:40:48 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 02 March, 2022, 05:19:11 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 01 March, 2022, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 01 March, 2022, 08:14:44 PM
In celebration, I have updated the SS2000 spreadsheet

Oh that is fantastic - and also very revealing. Poor ol' Kola Kommandos and Wolfie they didn't deserve such a hard time.

I'm sure Kola Kommandos will get bumped out once Big Dave is covered...

By my calculation, appearing next week on Space Spinner 2000 (so Conrad and Fox will already have read the first installments with the 1993 Summer Offensive).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 March, 2022, 01:46:58 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 06 March, 2022, 03:40:48 PM
By my calculation, appearing next week on Space Spinner 2000 (so Conrad and Fox will already have read the first installments with the 1993 Summer Offensive).
Indeed!
(https://i.imgur.com/p8UyxhQ.jpg)
In our thrilling two hundred and seventy-sixth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 840-843 of 2000AD, covering June & July 1993. This episode we're finishing up the thrills of spring so we can get scorched by the Summer Offensive, as Inferno, Really & Truly, Slaughterbowl, Maniac 5, and Big Dave arrive at last!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 March, 2022, 01:54:30 PM
Listened to half of it the other day (follow the Patreon for early releases, folks!) - shall listen to the rest now :-)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 07 March, 2022, 02:49:37 PM
No problems, Conrad

I will update it for this weeks, then arrange for ti to get to you!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 March, 2022, 03:32:34 PM
The reference in Big Dave is probably a reference to Nelson Mandela House from popular and long-running sitcom Only Fools and Horses (where the three/four main characters lived in a council flat in said tower block).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 March, 2022, 03:33:20 PM
Or it could be what you said about Martin Luther King - but Nelson Mandela being the namesake of a council estate would make most Brits think of Only Fools and Horses.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 March, 2022, 03:35:55 PM
p.s. Canonbury is a district in North London, between Highbury & Islington and Hackney.  The Archbishop of Canterbury is the senior bishop and principal leader of the Church of England.  The Archbishop of Canonbury... isn't.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 07 March, 2022, 04:34:26 PM
could be both tbh god i hate big dave this....this shit is why i jumped to sonic the comic when it came out
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Pyroxian on 07 March, 2022, 05:49:34 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 07 March, 2022, 04:34:26 PM
could be both tbh god i hate big dave this....this shit is why i jumped to sonic the comic when it came out

Yeah, I carried on for a bit longer, but then this new thing called Magic: The Gathering started sucking up all my money... (And the cards I bought then ended up worth a shedload more than the progs I would have bought :D )
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 07 March, 2022, 06:58:24 PM
Been looking forward to this one!  I liked Big Dave, Really and Truly, and Slaughterbowl, even if I'm in a minority of one with the first two. Can't wait to hear what a pair of Americans make of it all! Keep up the good work, guys, I genuinely love your podcast.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 March, 2022, 09:07:24 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 07 March, 2022, 03:35:55 PM
p.s. Canonbury is a district in North London, between Highbury & Islington and Hackney.  The Archbishop of Canterbury is the senior bishop and principal leader of the Church of England.  The Archbishop of Canonbury... isn't.

However much I think I know about english stuff there's always something new and perplexing!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 15 March, 2022, 10:08:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/7tQu7H9.jpg)

In our mega thirty-second episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues 31-34 of the Judge Dredd Megazine, covering June, July, and August of 1993. This episode we're heading to Albion with Armitage, Brit-Cit-Brute, and Calhab Justice, as Anderson and Orlock fight ancient aliens on Mars!

The audio on this one is terrible, but we really wanted to get this episode out in a timely fashion. We will be back on track next time, thanks for bearing with us!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 15 March, 2022, 03:24:10 PM
Anderson: Childhood's End was the first time I'd come across the idea that maybe aliens invented human civilisation. I thought it was the coolest thing ever, especially when Orlok cried.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 April, 2022, 12:12:47 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and seventy-seventh episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 844-847 of 2000AD, covering July & August 1993. This episode we're rolling forward with the summer offensive, as Maniac 5 executes and is executed, Really & Truly hit the road, the Slaughterbowl begins, Big Dave starts a new adventure, and an age old enemy returns in Judge Dredd*! Also we argue about Big Dave for like half an hour!

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*The age old enemy is Walter
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 18 April, 2022, 08:12:11 PM
On the Third Day the Podcast rose!


Loved this one - I can get both Fox's frustration at having to read Big Dave and his desire to distance himself from the toxicity of it as well as Conrad's frustration at wanting to put the thing into the context of the time (as he mentions, Viz etc, but I recall proto Edgelords were sprouting up elsewhere, and Millar was just an early adopter rather than an originator of that kind of "humour")

Hopefully the next one will be along like buses!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 April, 2022, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: Leigh S on 18 April, 2022, 08:12:11 PM
Hopefully the next one will be along like buses!

That's definitely the plan!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 April, 2022, 08:48:30 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and seventy-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 848-851 of 2000AD, covering August & September 1993. This episode we've reached the end of the summer offensive, so we'll have some finalies and then do a few progs of prologues with Friday, Luke Kirby, The Gronk, and the return of Slaine!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 25 April, 2022, 05:37:01 PM
Great one - somehow in the years since reading these progs I've forgotten all the salacious situations whicih occurred in the non-Big Dave stories.

p.s. if giros come up as a plot point again, pronounce it like gyrate, not gear.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 29 April, 2022, 01:03:17 PM
So now that the show is done with the Summer Offensive, and our beloved hosts have expressed clear opinions on it, I've been desperately trying to remember what it felt like at the time. Bearing in mind that I was 15 years old (just), and the only opinions I had access to were my big brother + Tharg's input page. Big Dave may have been "shocking" but it didn;t make the news or get the comic discussed in Parliament or anything.

Both of us loved Slaughterbowl, which got zero love from Tharg at the time, glad to have that vindicated!

I had a vague feeling that we at home thought Inferno was just a bit silly, but that plenty of readers liked it, only to find that in the last 20 years it has become perhaps THE most despised Mega Epic. Really & Truly I've an idea people kinda thought was cool at the time? Maybe it was just that Rian Hughes's art was so unlike anything else in the Prog, and the concept of a drug-fuelled road trip itself felt novel. I wanted to like it but didn't get it - and now it turns out it's just smug and dull. No one then or now has any opinons on Maniac 5. Sure it's violent enough but it's neither clever nor stupid enough to stand out in any way.

Which leaves of course Big Dave, and I'm pretty sure the vibe at the time was 'if you're one of the cool clever kids, you think this is GREAT.' If you don't like it - and plenty didn't - you're just not getting it. Mostly I remember not understanding the joke, although I'd side with Conrad vs Fox in that at the time I was definitely aware of the 'Sun' style speech and got most of the topical/political references, even if I didn't find them funny. I think the only joke that landed for me was teaming up Big Dave with a steroided version of Terry Waite. In hindsight, it feels like Grant n Mark new what they wanted to do, but didn't really know how to do it. At least it actually WAS offensive. And I will say that the way Tharg hyped the whole thing, combined with the utterly non-serious tone of all the strips, did kind of work to make the Prog feel more vital and fresh for those 8 weeks.

Very tempted to vote for the whole lot as the year's MVP, it's still a focal point for discussion. Go on Tharg, dare you to do a special Regened 'totally offensive' Prog for the 30th anniversary next year...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 29 April, 2022, 02:20:51 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 29 April, 2022, 01:03:17 PM
I had a vague feeling that we at home thought Inferno was just a bit silly, but that plenty of readers liked it, only to find that in the last 20 years it has become perhaps THE most despised Mega Epic.

From catching up with all the stuff I missed through getting the Case Files, Inferno and Crusade were the least enjoyable epics. I would now add that one from recently with the 4 horseman of the apocolypse to that list too.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 03 May, 2022, 08:21:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rk9ozwy.jpg)

In our mega thirty-third episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues 35-38 of the Judge Dredd Megazine, covering August, September, and October of 1993. This episode Judge Dredd fights Slick Dickens and Mechanismo, an evil clown taunts Hershey, and both the Taxidermist and Chopper return!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 May, 2022, 08:39:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mi6PcSS.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and seventy-nine episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1994 2000AD Yearbook.  This is the third 2000AD Yearbook, an annual-type document with a bunch of theoretically space themed stories, though I'd say there's more of a horror theme,  featuring Tyranny Rex, Robo Hunter, The Clown, Judge Dredd, Luke Kirby, Rogue Trooper, and that dang Big Dave!

This episode Conrad is joined by Eamonn Clarke of the Mega-City Book club podcast! Every other week Eamonn and a guest read and review a 2000AD related collection. It's a great show, especially for fans of 2000AD!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 16 May, 2022, 09:43:04 AM
Tyranny Rex pulling a Dan Dare and genociding a species :D
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 16 May, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
Fact checking myself: Bob Holness presented the game show Blockbusters and not Countdown. I was so eager to get the James Bond trivia out that I forgot myself. Luckily I didn't say he played the saxophone on Baker Street.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 May, 2022, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 16 May, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
Fact checking myself: Bob Holness presented the game show Blockbusters and not Countdown. I was so eager to get the James Bond trivia out that I forgot myself. Luckily I didn't say he played the saxophone on Baker Street.

First James Bond too. On the radio.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 16 May, 2022, 09:37:45 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 16 May, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
Fact checking myself: Bob Holness presented the game show Blockbusters and not Countdown. I was so eager to get the James Bond trivia out that I forgot myself. Luckily I didn't say he played the saxophone on Baker Street.

I'll have a 'P' please, Bob.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 May, 2022, 09:50:42 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 16 May, 2022, 08:23:53 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 16 May, 2022, 07:54:48 PM
Fact checking myself: Bob Holness presented the game show Blockbusters and not Countdown. I was so eager to get the James Bond trivia out that I forgot myself. Luckily I didn't say he played the saxophone on Baker Street.

First James Bond too. On the radio.

I will learn to read a post properly before jumpin' in with my useless information ... especially when I quote it. I will... one day... honest...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 17 May, 2022, 02:42:42 AM
i am second guessing myself....is that terror tale that was mentioned an old scream castoff? or is it just a homage to scream?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2022, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 17 May, 2022, 02:42:42 AM
i am second guessing myself....is that terror tale that was mentioned an old scream castoff? or is it just a homage to scream?

I'd have to see the pic of Tharg which Conrad mentions before weighing in with my opinion.  Seems quite a way after Scream! folded to dig the story out of the slush pile though.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 17 May, 2022, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 May, 2022, 11:41:57 AM
Seems quite a way after Scream! folded to dig the story out of the slush pile though.
Scream folded into Eagle which went on until 1994, so it may have been done for Eagle.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 17 May, 2022, 04:02:53 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 17 May, 2022, 03:46:44 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 May, 2022, 11:41:57 AM
Seems quite a way after Scream! folded to dig the story out of the slush pile though.
Scream folded into Eagle which went on until 1994, so it may have been done for Eagle.

(Plus there were Scream! specials for a while, but I think they were like early 2000AD specials - not the usual creators).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Link Prime on 17 May, 2022, 04:28:48 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 17 May, 2022, 11:41:57 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 17 May, 2022, 02:42:42 AM
i am second guessing myself....is that terror tale that was mentioned an old scream castoff? or is it just a homage to scream?

I'd have to see the pic of Tharg which Conrad mentions before weighing in with my opinion.  Seems quite a way after Scream! folded to dig the story out of the slush pile though.

Typing blind here, as I don't listen to the podcast (sorry), but if I recall correctly, the initial run of (four) Terror Tales all had a sign-off image of a skeletonized Tharg's head - could have been a Scream homage, or just a quirky way to differentiate the series from yer standard Future Shocks.

The image in question was drawn by Paul Marshall* (as was the series banner), in "Vintage Marshall" style.
I actually attempted to buy the original art for it from Paul several years ago, but he no longer had it.

*With the exception of the one drawn by Mick Austin himself at the end of his Terror Tale in Prog 840.


Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 17 May, 2022, 05:35:22 PM
Terror Tales definitely have a skeleton Tharg head, but the one in this annual looks a LOT like Ghastly McNasty here!
(https://i.imgur.com/X6gnHDr.png)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 17 May, 2022, 09:34:05 PM
Given its Alan McKenzie, my guess would be its a script he just wanted to get published so he could bump up his fees - maybe it was a rejected tale from elsewhere, but the art looks like it is all Mick Austin rather than being subbed in by someone else
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: M.I.K. on 18 May, 2022, 07:14:22 PM
I think it's just yer general EC comics homage more than anything to do with Scream!

I mean, reference to a "crypt of horror" isn't the most subtle of nods.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 23 May, 2022, 09:16:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gDTCHPz.png)

What's a better than an April Fools Day prank? Doing it in mid-May! Conrad and Fox have once more tangled with a time machine and lost! They find themselves once again at the start of their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 11-14 of 2000AD, covering May of 1977. This episode we once more walk the path of early thrill power, as Dredd's robot war intesifies, MACH 1 goes driving, the Heroes battle some Scotsmen, Bill Savage heads to Dartmoor, Flesh deals with SPIDER ATTACK, and the Mekon returns in Dan Dare!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 23 May, 2022, 10:52:33 AM
Because I'm a time traveller I listened to it before it came out, on the way to work.*

Great stuff - might listen to it again and drone on at length about something or other - knew there were some comments I was thinking of while listening the first time.


* coz of Patreon.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 06 June, 2022, 12:05:51 PM
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In our mega thirty-fourth episode  we take a break from our patrol through the world of the Judge Dredd Megazine to look at the 1994 Judge Dredd Yearbook. This episode we've got big stories for Judges Armitage, Dredd, and Hershey, and the return of artist Mike McMahon!

This episode Conrad is joined by Colin YNWA from the 2000AD Forums!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 June, 2022, 11:47:18 AM
Won't do it as a vote, but favourite two Carry On films isn't quite as straightforward as you might imagine.

First place has to go to Carry on Screaming, of course.  Second place, not so easy...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2022, 11:42:23 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and eightieth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 8452-855 of 2000AD, covering September & October 1993. This episode the Autumn Attack is underway, as we conclude Inferno and begin exciting new installments of Tyranny Rex, Slaine, Robo-Hunter, Strontium Dogs and...Mean Arena?

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 June, 2022, 12:00:38 PM
This reboot of Mean Arena was completely wiped from my memory.  Sorry, memory banks - get with the program!  Shall have to see if hearing you two talk about it triggers any flashbacks.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2022, 12:32:25 PM
It's only around for a short time, and is fine!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 June, 2022, 02:48:44 PM
Listening to an old episode on the way in to work this morning - coincidentally the one which introduced the first Mean Arena (https://spacespinner2000.com/2017/08/07/space-spinner-2000-ep-55-new-listeners-start-here/).  You mentioned a gag in the Dash Decent strip which you didn't quite get - think it was "Save the bomb"* - you managed to get half the reference (Save the Whale, I think) but the other three word catchphrase popular among many of the same people at the time would have been Ban the Bomb (usually referring to USA air force bases on British soil, containing Cruise missiles and making the UK more of a target for Soviet agression then they would otherwise have been).



* it might have been "Ban the Whale"
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 June, 2022, 02:49:08 PM
p.s. congrats on Garth Ennis recognising you by voice alone!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2022, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 20 June, 2022, 02:49:08 PM
p.s. congrats on Garth Ennis recognising you by voice alone!
It was pretty cool!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 June, 2022, 08:01:56 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 June, 2022, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 20 June, 2022, 02:49:08 PM
p.s. congrats on Garth Ennis recognising you by voice alone!
It was pretty cool!

It certainly was. Great that he listens - hopefully regularly.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 20 June, 2022, 08:08:03 PM
Nipped into Gosh myself that day, as I was taking my daughter to see Billie Eilish - shame I missed you!

Another great episode, though Fox is a wild card with his love of Mean Arena! 

I think the Aggro Drug one is the worst Dredd story ever - as Conrad says, like someone with only a vague idea of what the character is about.  The idea any editor would allow that to be publisher, or any other of the similar story beats, as seen in Inferno is still a bit sickening and I'm surprised you are not that fussed about it to be honest!

It really was a woeful time for the prog having Millar Morrison on Dredd - even though other stories might not be so bad and there might be less Fleischer, having the Dredd so thoroughly rotten and misconcevied - worse, actively conceived that way due to the loudly voiced low opinion Morrison and Millar had for the strip and its creators.... I thnk I only kept reading as I had recently started going out with my wife to be, so I was slightly more chilled and the prog had taken a back seat!

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 21 June, 2022, 01:08:40 PM
I was sad to see Sam Slade as bottom thrill for both Conrad and Fox since it was my second top thrill for this weeks batch of progs. Robo Hunter is what got me into 2000AD initially so I was pretty happy to see it return to the spirit of the Ian Gibson era.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 June, 2022, 01:11:31 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 21 June, 2022, 01:08:40 PM
I was sad to see Sam Slade as bottom thrill for both Conrad and Fox since it was my second top thrill for this weeks batch of progs. Robo Hunter is what got me into 2000AD initially so I was pretty happy to see it return to the spirit of the Ian Gibson era.

I'd agree with this as Hogan / Hughes era of Robo-hunter is something I really enjoyed and not just in relation to what had gone before.

And new Mean Arena - YIKE!

Mind this is why I love the podcast. Fresh views and perspectives are what we all need and so much fun.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 22 June, 2022, 10:00:04 AM
For even more bizarre opinions, Eli over on Big Meg One busts out some delightfully off-beat choices for top and bottom stories, I think Conrad had to talk him out of Soul Sisters as 'top' once.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 24 June, 2022, 12:20:36 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 22 June, 2022, 10:00:04 AM
For even more bizarre opinions, Eli over on Big Meg One busts out some delightfully off-beat choices for top and bottom stories, I think Conrad had to talk him out of Soul Sisters as 'top' once.

Eli's massive positivity and lack of received wisdom about 2000AD stuff means he often has some EXTREMELY hot takes about top and bottom thrills, and that's why he's so great on the show!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 25 June, 2022, 10:50:39 AM
I was a bit late to the party with this podcast, but Grud help me, I love it.   Generally I agree with most of what Conrad says and disagree with most of what Fox says, but that's what keeps things interested, I suppose.  Also find myself practically screaming into my headphones about some of the references you guys have missed but that's part of the fun too!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 June, 2022, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 25 June, 2022, 10:50:39 AM
I was a bit late to the party with this podcast, but Grud help me, I love it.   Generally I agree with most of what Conrad says and disagree with most of what Fox says, but that's what keeps things interested, I suppose.  Also find myself practically screaming into my headphones about some of the references you guys have missed but that's part of the fun too!
I'm trying my best! There's lots of ground to cover and lots of knowledge I don't have!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 June, 2022, 08:59:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/IPrGGiS.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and eighty-first episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 8452-855 of 2000AD, covering October 1993. This episode it's time to travel, as Dredd goes to Egypt, Mean Arena arrives to the fighitng pit, Strontium Dogs fly to the evil planet Lyra, Slaine heads to Colchester, and Tyranny Rex returns to her old self, the warps to earth!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 27 June, 2022, 04:02:55 PM
Thanks Conrad, most informative about baths.

So, other formumites, are we over the worst of the 90's once 1993 is over? Things do seem to be getting better now but I think the next Button Man plus Nikolai Dante and Sinister Dexter are still a long way off, and so is The Pit.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 27 June, 2022, 04:10:35 PM
next time

the canon is in....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 June, 2022, 04:33:34 PM
Quote from: WhizzBang on 27 June, 2022, 04:02:55 PM
Thanks Conrad, most informative about baths.

So, other formumites, are we over the worst of the 90's once 1993 is over? Things do seem to be getting better now but I think the next Button Man plus Nikolai Dante and Sinister Dexter are still a long way off, and so is The Pit.
I really hope my impatience with Fox for going down every side avenue comes through on this one :D

Button Man 2 is in '94, but so is Babe Race 2000 and two more Big Dave installments. We're not through the woods by a long shot! I'm sort of pegging 1996 as the upswing, that's when we get The Pit and the start of Sin Dex.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 27 June, 2022, 04:40:25 PM
As I said previously, this, despite the cessation of Fleischer, feels ore "lost" as a period than ever.  Ennis Dredd might not be great, but it isnt actively hateful.  reckon there are double digit episodes to go before we can see any sign of any improvement - possibly nothing/very little til the mid 95 relaunch? Which means close to 20!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 27 June, 2022, 05:51:58 PM
a lot of the dodgy stuff of the next few years are mostly garbage the editors pulled from the office pets bedding.

honestly i would agree with conrad in saying 1996-97 is the beginning of the upturn sinister dexter the pit, nikolai dante and even then theres some stuff like strontium dogs and time flies 2 which stink the place up
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 27 June, 2022, 08:29:13 PM
The titles of Funt's journey through the progs (https://2kstages.github.io/progs.html) don't bode well for the next few months.

Nadir   873-888   1994
The Collector   889-900   1994
3-Prog Mini-Series   901-903   1994
Wilderlands   904-927   1994-1995
Bad Trip   928-949   1995
Double Whammy!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 27 June, 2022, 09:07:11 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 27 June, 2022, 08:58:53 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 25 June, 2022, 10:50:39 AM
I was a bit late to the party with this podcast, but Grud help me, I love it.   Generally I agree with most of what Conrad says and disagree with most of what Fox says, but that's what keeps things interested, I suppose.  Also find myself practically screaming into my headphones about some of the references you guys have missed but that's part of the fun too!
I'm trying my best! There's lots of ground to cover and lots of knowledge I don't have!


Ah yeah, my apologies, didn't mean to be serious.  You've actually done an incredible job of getting up to speed with references and it genuinely makes me laugh out loud when you throw in the readers' British accents!  I really must revisit the ones where you covered the Murphyville Dredds; your Irish accents were a laugh a minute too, if I remember correctly.

Anyway I listened to the latest one today; it was hugely enjoyable as always and it brings a much-needed fun element to my memories of that particular era of the prog.  Me, I'm trawling through your back catalogue of podcasts the way you're trawling through Tharg's back catalogue and it's genuinely been a joy all the way.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 28 June, 2022, 05:12:50 AM
i know this is gonna sound sappy and all but ss2k always makes me happy when a new episode shows up on my feed
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 28 June, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
Re: accents - I miss the 1970s eight-year-old English kid accent!  Though I've just recently listened to the first attempt at a Scottish accent for Middenface McNulty's debut.  Uh...



Anyway - Anglesea should be pronounced like the two words 'angle' and 'sea' but without a pause.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 28 June, 2022, 01:40:14 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 28 June, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
Re: accents - I miss the 1970s eight-year-old English kid accent! 

Me too! The episode where the kid turned into a gruff 17-year-old expressing his appreciation for Medb's tit had me chuckling all day.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 03 July, 2022, 05:19:12 PM
With Fox singing on this episode can the full musical edition of Space Spinner be far away?
I, for one, am fully here for the "Once more with feeling" episode.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 July, 2022, 09:33:48 AM
Thanks for your kind words everyone!

(https://i.imgur.com/uc60fcI.jpg)

In our mega thirty-fifth episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues 35-38 of the Judge Dredd Megazine, covering October and November of 1993. This episode Dredd and the Chief clash over Mechanismo, Hershey goes after a Harlequinn, there's adventures for Shimura, the debut of the Creep, and the Taxidermist follows his Olympic dreams!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 04 July, 2022, 10:09:29 AM
Also we're about a month out from the 1993 Spinnies/Meggies, so start thinking about your faves now!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 06 July, 2022, 07:59:00 AM
Uhhhh Julianna Hatfield - My Sister - nice... I mean the show was good yadder, yadder but not heard that song in an age - good one!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 06 July, 2022, 08:04:32 AM
And the return of the English comic- reading kid! Makes me laugh every time.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 July, 2022, 12:57:56 PM
Spinnies, you say?  A reminder of what was covered would seem in order...

Best Art (2000AD)
Anthony Williams
Arthur Ranson
Brett Ewins
Brian Bolland
Carl Critchlow
Carlos Ezquerra
Chris Weston
Chris Weston
Cliff Robinson
Cliff Robinson
Colin MacNeil
Dave D'Antiquis
David Hine
Dermot Power
DHill
Eric Bradbury
Gary Erskine
Gina Hart
Glenn Fabry
Greg Staples
Jeff Anderson
Jim Baikie
Jim Elston
Jim Elston
Jim McCarthy
John Burns
John Higgins
John McCrea
Jon Haward
Kev Hopgood
Kevin Wicks
Mark Buckingham
Mick Austin
Mike Hadley
Mike Hadley
Mike Perkins
Nigel Dobbyn
Paul Marshall
Paul Peart
Paul Staples
Peter Doherty
Rian Hughes
Robert Bliss
Ron Smith
Sean Phillips
Shaky Kane
Simon Coleby
Simon Harrison
Simon Jacob
Steve Cook
Steve Parkhouse
Steve Yeowell
Tim Bollard

Best Writing (2000AD)
Alan Hale
Alan McKenzie
Chris McHale
Frances Lynn
Frances Lynn
Garth Ennis
Grant Morrison
Harry Harrison
Igor Goldkind
James Oswald
John Smith
John Tomlinson
Mark Millar
Mark Millar
Michael Cook
Michael Fleisher
Mike Hadley
Pat Mills
Paul Neary
Peter Hogan
Peter Milligan
Tharg the Mighty
Tony Skinner
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 July, 2022, 12:58:21 PM
Best Overall Thrill (2000AD)   
Armoured Gideon   Book 2
Bad Company   Kano
Big Dave   Target Baghdad
Big Dave   Monarchy in the UK
Bradley   Bedtime Stories Book 2
Brigand Doom   Spirits Willing
Canon Fodder   Canon Fodder
Dead Meat   Book 2
Finn   Book 2
Firekind   Firekind
Flesh   Legend of Shamana Book 2
Journal of Luke Kirby   Sympahty for the Devil
Kelly   Armed Response
Maniac 5   Maniac 5
Mother Earth   Mother Earth
Nemesis the Warlock   Shape of Things to Come
Purgatory   Purgatory
Really & Truly   Really & Truly
Revere   Book III
Robo-Hunter   Aces of Spades
Robo-Hunter   Serial Stunners
Robo-Hunter   Keith the Killer Robot
Robo-Hunter   Winnegan's Fake
Rogue Trooper   Scavenger of Souls
Sláine   Jealousy of Niamh
Sláine   Demon Killer
Slaughter Bowl   Slaughter Bowl
Soul Gun Warrior   Soul Gun Warrior
Strontium Dog   Return of the Gronk
Strontium Dogs   How the Gronk Got His Heartses
Strontium Dogs   The Darkest Star
Tharg the Mighty   Tharg's Masterclass
Tharg the Mighty   The Perilous Perm of the Purple Nurples
Tharg's Future Shocks   Wall of God
Tharg's Future Shocks   Fatburger
Tharg's Future Shocks   Lazyview Rest Home
Tharg's Future Shocks   A Cross for Aaron
Tharg's Future Shocks   The Portrait
Tharg's Future Shocks   A Kind of Hush
Tharg's Future Shocks   Time of Peace
Tharg's Future Shocks   It's a Cold World
Tharg's Future Shocks   Clone Wolf
Tharg's Future Shocks   Santa Signed On
Tharg's Terror Tales   Waiting for the Night Train
Tharg's Terror Tales   The Tooth Fairy
Tharg's Terror Tales   The Last Victim
Tharg's Terror Tales   Even Death May Die
Tharg's Terror Tales   Uncanny Dr Doctor
The Clown   Book 2
The Mean Arena   Mean Arena
Timehouse   Timehouse
Tyranny Rex   Deus Ex Machina
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 July, 2022, 12:58:38 PM
Judge Dredd (2000AD)


The Kinda Dead Man
The Craftsman
Ex-Men
Snowstorm
PJ & the Mock-Choc Factory
Last Night Out
A, B or C Warrior
Blind Mate
Unwelcome Guests
Barfur
A Man Called Greener
Happy Birthday Judge Dredd
Enter Jonni Kiss
Judge Who Lives Downstairs
The Chieftan
Great Brain Robbery
Muzak Killer - Live!
Tough Justice
Down Among the Dead Men
Inferno
War Games
Judge Tyrannosaur
Roadkill
Book of the Dead
I Hate Christmas
Frankenstein Div
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 July, 2022, 12:59:51 PM
Best Month of Progs
January
February
March
April
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December

Best Year of 2000AD
1977
1978
1979
1980
1981
1982
1983
1984
1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
1990
1991
1992
1993
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 July, 2022, 01:00:54 PM
Best Art (Megazine)
Arthur Ranson
Carlos Ezquerra
Charlie Adlard
Chris Halls
Colin MacNeil
Cory Macrae
David Millgate
Dean Ormston
Frank Quietly
Garry Marshall
Greg Staples
Ian Gibson
Jim Vickers
John Hicklenton
John Richardson
Kevin Cullen
Kevin Walker
Lol
Manuel Benet
Mark Wilkinson
Martin Emond
Nick Percival
Peter Doherty
Philip Bond
Sean Phillips
Siku
Steve Brown
Xuasus


Best Writing (Meg)
Alan Grant
Chris Standley
Dave Stone
Dave Stone
David Bishop
Garth Ennis
Gordon Rennie
Igor Goldkind
Jim Alexander
John Smith
John Wagner
Paul Cornell
Robbie Morrison
Robert McCallum
Si Spencer
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 12 July, 2022, 01:01:58 PM
Best Overall Thrill   (Meg)
Al's Baby   Blood on the Bib
Armitage   Flashback
Armitage   Flashback II
Brit-Cit Brute   Brit-Cit Brute
Calhab Justice   Dounreay
Calhab Justice   Casualty
Chopper   Dead Man's Curve
Devlin Waugh   Brief Encounter
Harke and Burr   Antique and Curious
Harke and Burr   Hamster Horror
Heavy Metal Dredd   The Fan
Heavy Metal Dredd   Too Much Monkey Business
Heavy Metal Dredd   The Most Dangerous Guitar in the World
Heavy Metal Dredd   Mort Rifkind Rises Again
Heavy Metal Dredd   The Big Hit
Heavy Metal Dredd   Graceland
Heavy Metal Dredd   Monkey Beat
Heavy Metal Dredd   Kiss of Death
Hershey & Steel   Degenomancer
Judge Anderson   The Jesus Syndrome
Judge Anderson   Childhood's End
Judge Anderson   Voyage of the Seeker
Judge Hershey   Asylum
Judge Hershey   A Game of Dolls
Judge Hershey   The Harlequin's Dance
Mega-City Mania   Secret Sessions with Psi Division
Mega-City One   Someone to Watch Over
Missionary Man   Salvation at the Last Chance Saloon
Missionary Man   A Town Called Intolerance
Missionary Man   Legend of the Unholy Drinker
Pan-African Judges   Pan-African Judges
Rapid Growth   Rapid Growth
Shimura   Shimura
Sleaze 'n' Ryder   Sleeze 'n' Ryder
The Creep   Creep
The Taxidermist   Return of the Taxidermist

Judge Dredd (Meg)
Warhog
Resyk Man
Deathmask
Mechanismo Returns
The Jigsaw Murders
Ladonna Fever
The Hottie House Siege
The Al Capone Story
Bagging the Bagwan
Slick Dickens - Dressed to Kill
Revenge of the Egghead
Mechanismo - Body Count
It's a Dreddful Life

Best Month of Megs
January
February
March
April
May
June
July
August
September
October
November
December

Best Year of Megs
1990
1991
1992
1993
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2022, 01:11:14 PM
These are fantastic - thanks Sheridan.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Huey2 on 12 July, 2022, 04:21:28 PM
Spinnies noms...

Best writer: John Smith. Really did a lot of the heavy lifting for a prog which had seen better days. Firekind - Slaughterbowl - Tyranny Rex - each of those were the highlights of the progs they appeared in and then we also get the best 2000Ad Dredd of the year: Roadkill - even if Dredd is a bit much in the ending.

Best art: Glenn Fabry. Stunning, just stunning art combined with great storytelling.

Best story: Firekind

And I know these aren't Spinnies awards but:

Strangest editorial decision: asking Fabry to commit to a multi-book, fully painted epic (Whilst he's working on Vertigo covers, whilst he's committed to Dredd/Batman) was never going to end well. Had they got him on some shorter Slaine tales - such as the Swan children - then we'd have had a real highpoint of the prog to rival the Horned God.

Missed opportunity: So this is how the mighty Ron Smith sees out his days at the prog: some of the lesser Dredd tales and a handful of Future Shocks. Ron deserved better than this. It would have been great to see him really deliver on something like Slaughterbowl or Mechanismo part 3.

Best year: 1986

Meggies
Best writer: Alan Grant or John Wagner
Best art: John Hicklenton
Best story: Anderson or Taxidermist
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 12 July, 2022, 04:50:57 PM
My spinnies nominations:

2000ad

Best writing:

1.   John Smith
2.   John Smith
3.   John Smith
HM – John Smith

Its pretty easy this year!

Best Art

I'm tempted to go Rian Hughes as I really get on with his style and love the work he did, even if some of the strips aren't the best. I'm tempted by Shaky Kane, but did he do enough in the year? In the end I'm going with Nigel Dobbyn in the main 'cos I don't think he gets the credit he deserves.

Best Thrill

If Tyranny Rex had more momentum behind it that would feature more in my thoughts. Revere is also up there. In the end though I'm going for a first and second only.

2nd Kano – it gets a hard time, but I think its brilliant
1st Well its Firekind isn't it. All sorts or superb.

Best month

I'll go April as when you have Kano and Firekind who cares about the rest... except April has the best of the rest so I guess I do!

Best Year

This is going to stay 1986 until 1999 so I don't know why I do this!

Megazine

Best Writer

Predictably its John Wagner for Mechanismo, Taxidermist and other bits and pieces.

Best Art – Frank Quietly for landing with such a BANG!

Best Thrill – hard to look past The Taxidermist isn't it
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Richard S. on 16 July, 2022, 07:02:25 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 11 February, 2019, 06:36:32 PM
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In our thrilling hundred forty-eighth episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1987 2000AD Annual. This is the tenth 2000AD annual and we're seeing a great combination of new stories and classic thrills in these pages. The highlights of this year's annual include the classic Ro-Busters story The Terra-Meks, stories of a young Strontium Dog, and some undercover work in Mega-City One!

This episode Conrad is joined by 2000AD super fan Dave Wynn, aka Scowling Monkey!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 July, 2022, 04:41:20 PM
Thanks so much Sheridan!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 July, 2022, 05:25:57 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and eighty-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 860-863 of 2000AD, covering November 1993. This episode Dredd is punching mummies, Feral is punching wizards, and Mean Arena is punching everyone! Plus we're starting two new thrills, Timehouse and Cannon Fodder!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 16 July, 2022, 09:40:48 PM
its CANON fodder its a pun a play on words goddamit conrad xd :P

2000ad

Best writing:

John smith

colin ynwa is right this is an easy one

Best Art

my heart says chris weston but my brain says Nigel dobbyn I honestly forgot he was in 2000ad as i know him more in his amazing work on sonic the comic and honestly its the only good thing about strontium dogs.

Best Thrill

Meme answer: Canon fodder gotta keep the forum meme of me being the biggest canon fodder fan alive....True answer: Firekind its bloodly amazing ain't it?

The oh my god the nineties fucking suuuuucks award

The summer offensive all of it fuck that shit but especially big dave fucking putrid arse crap

Megazine

Best Writer

John wagner

Best Art – Frank Quietly talk about a hell of a introduction man

Best Thrill Taxidermist....gotta be taxidermist
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: WhizzBang on 16 July, 2022, 10:20:37 PM
2000AD Spinnies

Best Art (2000AD)
The Brian Bolland cover for Inferno where his arm is on fire.
Also, an honourable mention for Carlos's work on Inferno too.

Best Overall Thrill (2000AD)   
Journal of Luke Kirby   Sympahty for the Devil

Judge Dredd (2000AD)
PJ & the Mock-Choc Factory


Megazine Spinnies
I think the Megazine had a much better year than 2000AD

Best Art (Megazine)
Ian Gibson on The Taxidermist

Best Writing (Meg)
John Wagner on Mechanismo, The Taxidermist, Al's Baby, The Hottie House Siege

Best Overall Thrill   (Meg)
The Taxidermist

Judge Dredd (Meg)
Mechanismo Returns / Mechanismo - Body Count
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 16 July, 2022, 10:52:06 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 16 July, 2022, 09:40:48 PM
its CANON fodder its a pun a play on words goddamit conrad xd :P


I've fixed it, but in the full description I spell it both ways, because I am quite flexible!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 18 July, 2022, 01:13:08 PM
my note to conrad that the cover image better be the return of god (yes i listened to the episode i am please that canon is loved as the silly thing it is)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 18 July, 2022, 09:28:14 PM
Quote from: The Monarch on 18 July, 2022, 01:13:08 PM
my note to conrad that the cover image better be the return of god
I got you fam

(https://i.imgur.com/ygJzVha.jpg)

In our thrilling two hundred and eighty-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 864-867 of 2000AD, covering December 1993. This episode we're at the end of 1993 at last, so we're finishing up Canon Fodder, Timehouse, and Strontium Dogs, while starting Mother Earth, Soul Gun Warrior, and REVERE!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 July, 2022, 11:11:06 PM
I keep doing this - providing the list of nominees and then not actually getting around to saying what I like myself.

In case I don't get around to it (and I did have a scan but there are so many hard decisions) I'm going to nominate Ron Smith for lifetime achievement / whatever that best thing* award is.  While the last five years didn't treat Ron with much to work with, the quality that was put in to it never faltered.  Imagine the painted style of Fr1day on Wagner / Grant Dredd!

* where 'thing' can be a person, story or something else.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 July, 2022, 11:13:06 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 18 July, 2022, 11:11:06 PM
* where 'thing' can be a person, story or something else.

MVP I think it's called.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 31 July, 2022, 10:16:15 PM
May be too late for this but....


SPinnies

We've gone from an embarassment of riches just a few years back to  just plain embarassment.  At least this appears to be the worst year, with the worst ever Dredd in War Games surely marking some kind of turning point, even if we cant see it yet.

Best art is a tussle between Chris Weston and Dermot Power - given Weston will go on to do better, and Power might disappear soon, I'm giving this to Power ( Though there is still "treatures of Britain" to come)

Best Writer is another two horse race - John Smith gave us Firekind, ruined by a printing screw up and an OK Tyranny Rex, but also a pretty poor Dredd in the Morrison/Millar style of the time.  Pat Mills wasnt firing on all cylinders, but Finn, Demon Killer and Flesh were at least "2000ADish", so this one goes to Pat

Demon Killer wins best story, though it isnt Slaines best time travel story. This would have been a disappointment any other year, but here I'm thankful for small mercies and great art.

Snowstorm gets the best Dredd, even though its a paper thin knock off of better Wagner/Grant stuff.  At least it has some lovely MacNeil art to distract from that.

Best year is 1984 - we are so far from the quality of that year you can barely recognise it as the same comic, which is probably why Mills feels so valuable on a relatively weak showing.

Bring on 1994!



Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 31 July, 2022, 10:24:12 PM
The Meggies

Best art is Ian Gibson - While he will be around for a good while yet, this feels like a peak for Gibson we wont see again - glorious stuff

Best writer is Wagner - the prog is really hurting for lack of Wagner and despite there beng a lot of rum stuff on the Meg, having Wagner here keeps the whole enterprise classier than its component parts.

Best story is Taxidermist -  a clean sweep for Wagner and Gibson

Best year remains 1990 - while it isnt as bad a drop off in quality as over in the prog, the Megazine is also struggling a bit.  Someone needs to realise that there are too many pages to fil every week, and not enough competent artists and writers to fill those pages...

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 31 August, 2022, 07:07:05 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and eighty-fifth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic by looking at the second Batman/Judge Dredd crossover, Vendetta In Gotham! We'll also take a look at a couple cool poster progs!

Also get ready for the Spinnies and Meggies tomorrow and Friday! There may still be time to get your nominations in!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 September, 2022, 07:46:43 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and eighty-sixth episode Fox and Conrad take a break from reviewing weekly progs to reminisce on the whole of 2000 AD comics for the year 1993. It's a chance to reflect, review, and give out awards! Welcome to the 1993 Spinnies! At the end of every chronological year in our prog timeline we give out awards to the storylines and thrills we liked best over the last year. Stay tuned until the end to hear what's coming up in 1994 from both 2000AD and our show!

Thanks everyone here for your nominations!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 September, 2022, 08:03:59 AM
Oh my giddy Aunt I feel for Fox that tail of airport and then bathroom woe is horrible and i doubt for one minute I'd have handled it as well as he seems to have. Hope This wife was able to have a good break at least.

Also like his use of "Chocker" is that a phrase used in the US or has he picked it up here?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 October, 2022, 10:14:23 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and nintey-first episode we continue our journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with the 1994 Sci-Fi Special of 2000AD. This Special has adventures from Dredd, Robo-Hunter, Rogue Trooper, and Brigand Doom, and some very hot-and-cold text pieces!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 12 October, 2022, 11:47:29 AM
After the Famine, the Feast!

Loving these ones, and your spicy takes, though you've been cutting the Dredds a lot of slack recently!

Dinosty I assume is a play on Dynasty so doesnt have the extra "i"! (EDIT - just got to the point you correct yourself, but too late - Point scored!)

I quite liked it at the time, in the context of everything else that as in there and it being early "mask off" Mills where having no subtext was sometimes working for him...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 October, 2022, 01:14:13 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 12 October, 2022, 11:47:29 AM
Dinosty I assume is a play on Dynasty so doesnt have the extra "i"! (EDIT - just got to the point you correct yourself, but too late - Point scored!)

I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN!  :D

And we should finally be smoothing into a more regular release cycle, assuming I stay on top of my editing jobs!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 17 October, 2022, 02:29:36 AM
we are getting close to the second crossover
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 October, 2022, 11:26:15 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 17 October, 2022, 02:29:36 AM
we are getting close to the second crossover

Is that the Wilderlands one?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 18 October, 2022, 11:26:33 AM
And then there's a third crossover with the Second Robot Wars.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 22 October, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
yeah wilderlands
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 23 October, 2022, 09:29:47 AM
Wow super interested to see if the 'Babe Race 2000' love continues. In my recent(ish) re-read  found it one of the most bland actively awful and nasty strip the comic has known. As ever the different takes on strips is in part what makes Space Spinner 2000 so fascinating.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 December, 2022, 10:28:14 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and ninety-second episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 884-887 of 2000AD, covering April & May 1994. This episode we'll flashback in Judge Dredd, finish up Robo-hunter, continue with The Clown, Luke Kirby, and Babe Race 2000, and start a new Bradley fairy tale!

Sorry it's been a while since our last episode, we should be back to regular updates going forward!

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Quote from: Colin YNWA on 23 October, 2022, 09:29:47 AM
Wow super interested to see if the 'Babe Race 2000' love continues. In my recent(ish) re-read  found it one of the most bland actively awful and nasty strip the comic has known. As ever the different takes on strips is in part what makes Space Spinner 2000 so fascinating.

Somehow it's really hit the sweet spot for us!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 05 December, 2022, 05:59:27 PM
Hurrah! No need to apologise for the delay, Conrad - your lungs are more important than our ears!

Fox has clearly been broken by mid 90s progs and has become hysterical - the only reason for his gushing over BR2000!

That said, I do think you hit ona  good point - the 'ugliness' of the art works in its favour and gives it some cover - that's Williams "unsexy" style though, so I'm sort of thinking that might just be a further mistake by editorial, and the intention from Millar was to have it full on cheesecake - imagine if Greg Staples had done the art instead. 
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 10 December, 2022, 02:27:45 PM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 05 December, 2022, 10:28:14 AM

Somehow it's really hit the sweet spot for us!

I didn't mind it at the time - it was a bit of deliberately trashy throwaway fun, with an emphasis on shock value rather than any deep message.  It didn't pretend to be anything else, and that was fine by me.  Though I'd have to say that Fox seems to be reading a lot into something that wasn't designed to be read into at all :)

Anyway thanks for the podcasts - it's not the best prog-era ever, but you make looking back at it fun and entertaining.  Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 12 December, 2022, 10:35:09 AM
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In our mega fortieth episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues 52-54 of the Judge Dredd Megazine, covering April & May of 1994. This episode we're fighting monsters in Dredd, Shimura, and Missionary Man, being monsters in creep, and sending more postcards from space with Judge Anderson!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 12 December, 2022, 05:05:00 PM
An interesting listen, especially in conjunction with what is going on over in the prog.  As I am keen to say, if only we could condense the talent pool down to one publication, the prog would probably be ticking over quite nicely with Gibson/McMahon/MacNeil/Quitely/Ransom/Wagner/Grant/Mills/Smith - put Rennie and Williams on their own inventions not connected to the dreddverse and you'd have a fairly condensed chunk of thrillpower.

Glad Creep is landing as badly as I feel it deserves over here, even if Babe Race has avoided the barbs. Surprised Eli hadnt encountered / had blocked out Walter - did you do the Apocalypse War in the primer episodes?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 14 December, 2022, 05:19:17 PM
I believe we discussed it a bit, but I might have glossed over Walter, plus that was over two years ago now!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 15 December, 2022, 09:27:12 AM
Let's face it - if you're reading the whole of Block Mania and the Apocalypse War, Walter (and Maria) is not the bit you'll be concentrating on!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 20 December, 2022, 03:00:32 AM
god trying to work out who some of those cameos are in the armoured gideon collector story is really hard. some are obvious like abenald snazz some are less obvious (is that doomlord? who are those skeletons in shakos cave)

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 December, 2022, 09:58:27 AM
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In our thrilling two hundred and ninety-third episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 888-891 of 2000AD, covering May & June 1994. This episode we'll start another raft of new thrills, as Dredd handles klutzes, time travellers and conspiracies, we'll meet the new flesh in Mambo, and start new adventures for Sláine, Friday, Armoured Gideon, and some other surprise old friends!

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Quote from: The Monarch on 20 December, 2022, 03:00:32 AM
god trying to work out who some of those cameos are in the armoured gideon collector story is really hard. some are obvious like abenald snazz some are less obvious (is that doomlord? who are those skeletons in shakos cave)

They're all over the place, it's definitely a challenge!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 20 December, 2022, 02:54:17 PM
Judge Pickles!  That's a name I havent heard for a long time! He was a dodgy Judge who seemed to give women harsh sentences and let men off with really serious crimes IIRC?


I think Fox is right - the worst is over now you've hit prog 889 - Wagner back on Dredd, Fleischer off Rogue, no more (Millar at least?) Robohunter and precious little Millar/Morrison to plough through.  It will still take a few years to actually step up a gear again, but at least it has stabilised above the water line




Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 December, 2022, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: Leigh S on 20 December, 2022, 02:54:17 PM
I think Fox is right - the worst is over now you've hit prog 889 - Wagner back on Dredd, Fleischer off Rogue, no more (Millar at least?) Robohunter and precious little Millar/Morrison to plough through.  It will still take a few years to actually step up a gear again, but at least it has stabilised above the water line

Yeah to manage expectations its a very bumpy road to recovery! But some good stuff, some very good stuff isn't toooo far off...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 25 January, 2023, 03:49:20 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and ninety-fourth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 892-895 of 2000AD, covering June & July 1994. This episode Dredd has intrigue, Slaine has murder, Mambo has body horror, and Armoured Gideon has old friends aplenty!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 27 January, 2023, 08:59:21 AM
Yay! Really needed a good podcast for work today, and this will do nicely.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2023, 12:56:11 AM
I've had bloody Mambo Italiano stuck  in my head for weeks now thanks to this podcast. Thank you very fucking much Conrad and Fox
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2023, 12:58:47 AM
I'm not kidding
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2023, 12:59:13 AM
you're not expecting it
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2023, 12:59:57 AM
but your mind wanders for a moment and...
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2023, 01:01:03 AM
HEY MAMBO
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2023, 01:01:47 AM
MAMBO ITALIANO
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 28 January, 2023, 01:02:09 AM
Fuck you both
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 28 January, 2023, 08:51:13 AM
I apologize for NOTHING
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 28 January, 2023, 12:12:17 PM
And now it's stuck in my head as well.  Fuck you too, DDD :)


Re the Megazine podcast - As far as I remember, Judge Karyn appeared before in a Dredd story or two, the first being Raptaur if memory serves me right (which it generally doesn't).  Gordon Rennie told us on the board once that she was based on Dean Ormston's then-girlfriend, who, according to Grennie, was something of an eye-magnet when she turned up at comic cons.

Anyway, the latest two podcasts helped enormously to get me through a very boring job yesterday - I'm supposed to be a mural painter but somehow agreed to paint a concrete floor black.  Reminiscing about the progs and Megs of 28 years ago made it much more tolerable.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 February, 2023, 08:17:53 PM
I used to have that particular Rosemary Clooney song as my wake-up ring-tone for some time.  At other times I've had the Danger Mouse theme song and currently have Sinister Ducks.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 01 February, 2023, 08:20:53 PM
As an aside, Rosemary Clooney was mother to Miguel Ferrer (RoboCop, Twin Peaks) and aunt to George Clooney.

Fellow forum member Rackle probably has a better memory of some of the ring tones I've had in the last decade, as they were subjected to them as well :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 07 March, 2023, 02:18:00 PM
Where for arte though Space Spinner?  Miss my Monday fix! Just as we get to the slow and steady incline in quality....
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 07 March, 2023, 04:28:42 PM
Is it though? While I don't think there are any Prog stretches with NO good stories in, there are a couple of runs in the 900s coming up with some real bad patches...


...and I can't wait to hear Fox 'n Conrad bitch and moan their way through them  - while also, I trust, finding some more diamonds in there. Mambo 2's a good 'un! Harlem Heroes 2 is ripe for some chuckles, too.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 07 March, 2023, 04:54:10 PM
If not steady, defintiely trending upwards

Wagner back on Dredd (mostly?) is a 20% jump - heck - more than that, as the strip has gone from actively punching me in the face to being a delight.

Hogan on Dogs may be drawn out, but its point the Oil Tanker in the right direction...

Steve McManus & John Tomlinson replace McKenzie in a few months, Sinister Dexter is not more than a year away? 

Quote from: AlexF on 07 March, 2023, 04:28:42 PMIs it though? While I don't think there are any Prog stretches with NO good stories in, there are a couple of runs in the 900s coming up with some real bad patches...


...and I can't wait to hear Fox 'n Conrad bitch and moan their way through them  - while also, I trust, finding some more diamonds in there. Mambo 2's a good 'un! Harlem Heroes 2 is ripe for some chuckles, too.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 March, 2023, 09:00:47 AM
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In our mega fourty-third episode we continue our patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with the 1994 Judge Dredd Mega-Special. This episode features six stories by upcoming and established authors and artists, that you the reader could vote on! (Using a pay number in the mid 90s)

This episode Conrad is joined by Tony Esmond of The Awesome Comics Podcast and Never Iron Anything! Excellent shows about cool indie comics, check it out!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 23 March, 2023, 03:49:08 PM
Nice one! Looking forward to this.

Quite an enjoyable special as far as I remember, but the whole phone-in thing seemed an incredibly cynical exercise in money-making, bordering on a scam in fact.

The one that won, as far as I remember, has yet to get the Megazine series that was the only reason for calling the number.  I know the characters were featured in one of the Virgin novels and some of the Armitage strips, but again that's not what we were promised.

 Anyway, rant over, I'll get stuck into the podcast as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 26 March, 2023, 08:48:10 AM
Grumbles about the phone poll aside, I really enjoyed the episode, thanks , guys.

Personally, I remember really liking Culling Crew at the time, though u was never a massive fan of Steve Sampson's art either.  I must revisit this special.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 26 June, 2023, 03:18:23 PM
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In our thrilling two hundred and ninety-eighth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 904-907 of 2000AD, covering September 1994. This time we've got a whole new slate of thrills, with new adventures for Big Dave, Robo-Hunter, and ABC Warriors, the Button Man returns, and we'll start the long awaited Judge Dredd crossover event Wilderlands!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 26 June, 2023, 03:41:27 PM
Magnificent to have you back... or so I though until you reference yourselves as EFC very early doors. Everton, the biters I'm shocked!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 09 July, 2023, 10:22:15 PM
Not sure if I've said it recently, but I love Space Spinner 2000.  Long may you spark my progstalgia circuits.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 July, 2023, 08:06:53 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 09 July, 2023, 10:22:15 PMNot sure if I've said it recently, but I love Space Spinner 2000.  Long may you spark my progstalgia circuits.

Thanks so much!

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In our thrilling two hundred and ninety-ninth episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 908-911 of 2000AD, covering October 1994. This time we'll reach finales in ABC Warriors and Robo Hunter, meet Red Razors, and continue with Button Man and Judge Dredd: Wilderlands!

We're right on the edge of episode 300! We'd love to hear what your favorite Space Spinner 2000 moments have been. Please comment here or send them to the show email or on our social media! Woo! THREE HUNDRED!!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 19 July, 2023, 08:27:42 PM
May I add to the general love for SpaceSpinner - once again my subscription prog is AWOL, but the only thing I'm checking regularly for is the new episode! 
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 19 July, 2023, 10:25:13 PM
Yayy! Been looking forward to this for ages. Conrad Leiden:  the Ted Lasso of British comics :)

P.S. My favourite moment was when your little English boy character suddenly became a big English man to reflect the ageing readership, while simultaneously dropping a hint about a major plot twist. 'OI LOIKE TITS NAHH. OI LOIKE JUDGE DREDD WIV HIS SKIN BURNED OFF.' Still makes me laugh!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 24 July, 2023, 10:16:55 AM
Favourite Space Spinner moments:
the realisation and running gag about Dan Dare being a genocidal maniac
Deep abiding love for the first 2/3 (4/5?) of Return to Armageddon
Actual tears being shed over Skizz
Commitment to both DreamWeaver and Nosferatu "WRITE HIS NAME IN BLOOD"
Breakneck-speed recounting of The Grudgefather

The end-of-year specials during the 90s when you tell Fox how much more bad stuff and how little good stuff there is to look forward to :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 24 July, 2023, 11:49:01 AM
Happy 300th. Long may the space keep spinning.

Favourite moments, well I love your takes on stories that go against commonly held opinions. That spin on our long in the tooth views on their heads. So even in episode 299 you both stand by Red Razors a long derided story, so bad in the last episode even the artist - the brilliant Nigel Dobbyns - was flicking it the V's as it exited. You defend plenty of other stories that 'we' classically don't like and I love that.

Other, more specific favs - your take on Summer Magic really made me reappraise a story I've read many times. Exactly what I want this podcast to do.

Old One Eye long held (sadly correctly) as 2000ad's early years strongest female character.

Appalling accents when so accurately reflecting the desire of young readers (I am that reader so often!)

and of course ever bit of the beautiful chemistry between our two hosts. Your love of the Prog shines through, and makes this a great listen. But the Podcast raises above others as your love for each other picks thing up even more and makes it head and shoulders above others.

Here's to 300 more - and the life long friendship that will make them a joy to listen too.

Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 24 July, 2023, 12:48:27 PM
Because of my particular vintage I can't help but think of Prog 300 (my first forays in to collecting back progs was in that range - when buying near to 325 back progs seemed out of the reaches of sub-ten year old me, my goal was to get every prog from 300 onwards).  So I'm fully expecting a mini-copy of Spacespinner2000 number one - though we already had the redux episode, so maybe that'd be a bit pointless...

Anyway...

Congratulations on reaching episode 300!
Personal high points:
The unconvincing child accent - don't ever take lessons from a voice coach or accent teacher - we like it just the way it is!
Hot takes on old stories:
Drawing parallels between Anteater from Ant Wars and Wang Chi in Big Trouble in Little China - they're the true protagonists of the stories, even though Villa and Jack Burton think they are.
Old One Eye being the only strong female character in the early progs until Nessie joined some time later (Death Planet promised another, but this was promise was immediately pummelled in to the ground).
Dan Dare's genocidal tendencies.
Tom Tully specials (a villainous hand at the controls while watching the protagonists on a video screen).
The John Wagner specials - Deep South redneck accents and CB lingo.
Giving us recaps of stories in the lamentable nineties - reading them so that we don't have to!  (though I will get around to them, some day).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 24 July, 2023, 10:12:02 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 24 July, 2023, 10:16:55 AMActual tears being shed over Skizz

Hey, I missed that one. I was a few years late to the party with SS2000, so still have a lot of them left to listen to.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 26 July, 2023, 03:38:19 PM
Personal favourites fromm 300
The Danger Acid from Invasion.
The growing hatred for Walter the Wobot,
and, inexplicably, the Green Gross Code Man?

And strangely for Fox getting stuck in the loo. Don't know why, but loved that story.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 26 July, 2023, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 26 July, 2023, 03:38:19 PMPersonal favourites fromm 300
The Danger Acid from Invasion.
The growing hatred for Walter the Wobot,
and, inexplicably, the Green Gross Code Man?

And strangely for Fox getting stuck in the loo. Don't know why, but loved that story.

Just listened to the one yesterday.  My word, what a clusterfunt.  I also love that Conrad has discovered Gregg's - as I say, he's the Ted Lasso of comics.

Also I'd like to mention how Conrad describes Slough Feg's would-be victory speech as a cross between Sympathy for the Devil and Roy Batty. 'Nailed it' doesn't even come close to how much he nailed it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 07 August, 2023, 03:49:28 PM
Wheelchair Hobgoblins!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 07 August, 2023, 04:12:26 PM
no ones mentioned the greatest thing of early space spinner ever?

quack quack volgs

The absolute barmy way they covered killing time which is kinda fitting for the nature of the strip

the running joke/threat of our wonderful hosts secretly being robots who hate the way robots are treated in 2000ad and in perticular their hatred of the lisping prick whose name must not be named

their slowly crumbling positivity while trying to talk about some of the true stinkers of the prog rick random the dead skin pretending to be robohunter in the 90s and big dave are perticular highlights

also a bit full of myself with this one but allowing me onto the judge dredd annual 1991 to talk about how i got into 2000ad and my love and sudden and inevitable heartbreak of what happened to johnny alpha
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: strontium190 on 11 November, 2023, 08:05:48 AM
Where are the boys? I can't seem to find their episode 300 and they look like they've dropped off the face of the earth. Hopefully everything is ok.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 11 November, 2023, 08:42:45 AM
i waited a long time for new where eagles dare i can wait a bit longer for new ss2k i just hope the boys are ok
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 11 November, 2023, 10:19:22 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 11 November, 2023, 08:42:45 AMi waited a long time for new where eagles dare i can wait a bit longer for new ss2k i just hope the boys are ok

Conrad was on Mega City Book (well Film) club the other week and promising a return soon. I mean we've heard it before but fingers crossed it'll happen and more importantly he seemed well and happy.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 11 November, 2023, 01:36:55 PM
A very enjoyable Mega City Film Club it was too.  The Ted Lasso of UK comics seems in fine fettle, and still posts a picture of a toad on Instagram every Wednesday without fail. Don't ask me why but it's Conrad and he's allowed to, and it always makes me smile.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: strontium190 on 13 November, 2023, 10:05:18 PM
Well as long as they are ok that's all that matters. I'm still playing catch up with all the episodes and I noticed that episode 299 was the last one shown and it had been there for ages. Then I caught a snippet of an episode where he apologised for being away for a while and he'd been seriously unwell after suffering a pulmonary embolism. That's a relief
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 14 November, 2023, 09:52:27 PM
Yeah, I echo the "get well soon" messages for Conrad - take your time, but really do hope it comes back

Gone from checking every day for a new upload to every week, and would be the saddest thing if we didnt get any more - by far my most enjoyed 2000AD related content of current times and thats with it still in the tail end of the dark days!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vector14 on 14 November, 2023, 11:17:06 PM
I hope Conrad gets well soon. I've been hugely enjoying these,especially the latest episodes as its when I started reading 2000AD.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 15 November, 2023, 05:38:33 AM
I hadn't realised Conrad was ill. Take care of yourself and get well soon, Conrad.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 26 November, 2023, 12:43:35 PM
For those missing Conrad's voice he pops up on another mega city film club today.  :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 20 January, 2024, 08:12:39 PM
Lads, get ready for Monday.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 20 January, 2024, 08:23:40 PM
Yayyyy !
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Vector14 on 20 January, 2024, 09:08:54 PM
I'm ready!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 January, 2024, 09:41:15 PM
Whoop!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 21 January, 2024, 07:30:25 PM
hell yeah
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 22 January, 2024, 06:18:13 AM
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After many months we have returned! More details about what's going on with the podcast next week in Space Spinner 300, but the short story is: we're back to weekly podcasting!

In our mega forty-sixth episode Eli and Conrad continue their patrol through the world of Judge Dredd with volume two, issues 65 and 66 of the Judge Dredd Megazine, covering October & November of 1994. This episode we get deeper into Wilderlands, we'll find treasure with the Missionary man, learn about being bad with Mean Machine, about new life in Calhab Justice, and meet more Techno-Zombies in Armitage!

Also: Warning: Conrad is stuck inside a small box for part of the episode.

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 January, 2024, 07:03:06 AM
WAYHEY!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 22 January, 2024, 07:26:01 AM
well my day has started well :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: lordmockingbird on 22 January, 2024, 03:23:55 PM
Nice podcast, I followed
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 23 January, 2024, 08:36:43 PM
Such good news!  It has genuinely perked me up more than you could ever know to have this back! 

Might even get me reading my growing pile of mostly unread progs, though thats a topic for another thread
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Dandontdare on 23 January, 2024, 08:59:40 PM
Yay, good news.

When I heard that our noble Hostile Environment policy had succeeded in removing a foreign freeloader, I rejoiced as a patriotic Englishman. This is no reason to deprive us of your colonial humour though, and your absence has been tut-tutted accordingly. I chose to dismiss any reports of so-called ill health as 'fake news' and instead believe that your silence was an outrageous attack on Britain's values, immigration policies and comics.

Seriously though, I was concerned, good to have you back, from an episode 1 subscriber.

(at Lawless '22 my biggest thrill was meeting and chatting to Conrad, way more than any of the illustrious creators there)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 25 January, 2024, 12:57:14 PM
Hooray! Not only are we able to enjoy the COnrad/Fox/Eli laugh-in machine, we also get to return to the Britsplainin' section of this message board...

To whit: as you correctly describe in the Armitage section, Colin Dexter Block is indeed a reference to the author of popular Detective series 'Inspector Morse'. Worth noting also, though, that Armitage's own look is surely based on John Thaw's look in that show, AND, perhaps, that John Thaw is also part of the DNA of Judge Dredd himself, thanks to his starring role in 1970s gun-filled cop show 'The Sweeney'.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 25 January, 2024, 01:10:43 PM
Really enjoyed that - great to have you back, lads!

Alex is right about the Inspector Morse influence - I seem to remember Daves Bishop and Stone being fairly explicit about that at the time.

Which made it a bit weird to see Charlie Gillespie's muscle-bound, shirtless Armitage fighting monsters like He-Man battling against Skeletor's forces, instead of morosely pondering murder cases over a pint.  I did like Charlie's naked Lisa Marsh at the time, though.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 01 February, 2024, 07:17:51 AM
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In our thrilling THREE HUNDRETH episode Fox and Conrad continue their journey through the Galaxy's Greatest Comic with Progs 912-915 of 2000AD, covering November 1994. This time we'll reach the end of Wilderlands, continue our adventures with Button Man and Red Razors, and start new stories for Bix Barton and Skizz!

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Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Colin YNWA on 01 February, 2024, 07:30:42 AM
WAYHEY! Super excited for this one. Welcome back you lovely people.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: AlexF on 01 February, 2024, 10:58:24 AM
Never has the wait for Red Razors coverage been so desperately anticipated
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 02 February, 2024, 09:19:18 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 25 January, 2024, 01:10:43 PMReally enjoyed that - great to have you back, lads!

Alex is right about the Inspector Morse influence - I seem to remember Daves Bishop and Stone being fairly explicit about that at the time.

Which made it a bit weird to see Charlie Gillespie's muscle-bound, shirtless Armitage fighting monsters like He-Man battling against Skeletor's forces, instead of morosely pondering murder cases over a pint.  I did like Charlie's naked Lisa Marsh at the time, though.

As a teenager when Armitage first appeared (and Inspector Morse was on TV at the time, even if I didn't watch it) there was absolutely no doubt that the look was directly influenced.  It'd be like denying M.A.C.H.1 was based on the Six Million Dollar Man when the prog started.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Tjm86 on 02 February, 2024, 01:56:02 PM
Quote from: AlexF on 01 February, 2024, 10:58:24 AMNever has the wait for Red Razors coverage been so desperately anticipated

Am I the only one who reads this sentence in the style / voice of Today?  ::)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 02 February, 2024, 07:47:24 PM
Well, I must say I'd been looking forward to the big 300 for a very long time, and it was well worth the wait. In fact, it'll go down as one of your very best, for me at least.

It was immensely entertaining to hear Conrad gradually get shit-faced, because why the feck not - it's his podcast and he can do what he wants. I got a huge thrill, not to mention a fit of the giggles, to hear Conrad reading out my own post and giving a repeat performance of the now-grown-up cockney boy enjoying the violence and Bisley nudity.

Fox did a first class job of writing and hosting the whole thing - his best pod performance yet, if you ask me.

I kind of agree about Wilderlands - it was far from one of Wagner's best epics, though I'd take it over Judgement Day any day. It was the repercussions (as well as the build-up) that made it worthwhile - some are still being felt in the Mega City of modern progs.  Stick with it, Fox!

Also the Skizz sequel. The art was great, of course, but it was a bit of a mess.

Not so sure if I agree about Bix Barton; for me it was a fairly decent shot at a typical 80s / early 90s British sitcom, in the Blackadder vein and it worked for me.  Obviously you fellows from across the pond didn't grow up with these traditions, of course. My only real complaint was that I wish Jim McCarthy had stuck with black and white.

Also - Red Razors.  Just, no.  Sorry.  At least the Meg one had that quirky pop-culture charm, but in the prog even that was gone and I really didn't like it.

Lastly, of course, you guys were spot on about Button Man. Comics don't get much better, and your analysis made it even better for me.  Button Man was a shining light in an era of mediocrity in the prog and Grud bless two of the best creators in the business for giving it to us.

Thanks as always, Conrad and Fox, I loved it and look forward to the next 300. And now I'm going to get shitfaced too.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 02 February, 2024, 10:41:34 PM
Hopefully my move from basically ok to angry and sweary to maudlin and sappy really gives everyone an idea of what it's like to be on a night out with me!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Funt Solo on 02 February, 2024, 10:45:08 PM
2 seconds in - wtf accent?
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 03 February, 2024, 07:57:57 AM
Quote from: Funt Solo [R] on 02 February, 2024, 10:45:08 PM2 seconds in - wtf accent?

For some reason it made me think of an obscure Si Spurrier character, Harry Kipling (Deceased).  In my mind, Fox nailed how he spoke.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 03 February, 2024, 08:58:19 AM
conrad my man if it takes longer for podcasts to come out now you are more busy now so be it. I for one will look forward to them whenever they arrive :)
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 03 February, 2024, 11:48:18 AM
Quote from: The Monarch on 03 February, 2024, 08:58:19 AMconrad my man if it takes longer for podcasts to come out now you are more busy now so be it. I for one will look forward to them whenever they arrive :)

I'll second that. Obviously I would like episodes to arrive inside my phone as quickly and often, but when we're getting hours and hours of unmissable prog-based fun for free, I don't think any of us can complain.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Leigh S on 06 February, 2024, 08:55:02 PM
Before 301 drops just wanted to say that brought a manly tear to my eye! 

Theres no piece of media I look forward to more than a new SS2000.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 February, 2024, 07:57:57 AM
I'll be announcing it on the feed, but we'll be going every other week for the forseeable future. Next up is:

BM1 47: Megazine Vol 2, Issues 67-69 (nice)
BM1 48: Judge Dredd Yearbook 1995
SS2k 301: 2000AD Progs 916-919
SS2K 302: Winter Special '94
SS2k 303: Spinnies 94
BM1 49: Meggies 94

Then we cross the border to 1995! I hear there's a movie coming out!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 February, 2024, 09:13:28 AM
Quote from: SpaceSpinner2000 on 07 February, 2024, 07:57:57 AMI'll be announcing it on the feed, but we'll be going every other week for the forseeable future. Next up is:

BM1 47: Megazine Vol 2, Issues 67-69 (nice)
BM1 48: Judge Dredd Yearbook 1995
SS2k 301: 2000AD Progs 916-919
SS2K 302: Winter Special '94
SS2k 303: Spinnies 94
BM1 49: Meggies 94

Then we cross the border to 1995! I hear there's a movie coming out!

Did you ever cover Hardware?  Unofficial adaptation of Shok! but forced to credit Steve MadManus and Kevin O'Neill on video release so technically the first adaptation of a 2000AD IP.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 07 February, 2024, 09:36:27 AM

Did you ever cover Hardware?  Unofficial adaptation of Shok! but forced to credit Steve MadManus and Kevin O'Neill on video release so technically the first adaptation of a 2000AD IP.
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Sort of:  ;)
https://megacitybookclub.blogspot.com/2023/11/242-hardware-and-valley-of-gwangi.html
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 07 February, 2024, 10:02:15 AM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 07 February, 2024, 09:36:27 AMDid you ever cover Hardware?  Unofficial adaptation of Shok! but forced to credit Steve MadManus and Kevin O'Neill on video release so technically the first adaptation of a 2000AD IP.

Sort of:  ;)
https://megacitybookclub.blogspot.com/2023/11/242-hardware-and-valley-of-gwangi.html
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Oh, I have actually listened to that episode - coincidentally just a month or so after watching Gwangi for the first time this century!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: The Monarch on 19 February, 2024, 07:12:57 AM
so the new episode of big meg 1 appeared in my feed but it err semms to be missing a link to the actual episode
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: SpaceSpinner2000 on 19 February, 2024, 04:07:36 PM
OH JEEZ! It should be there now!
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: sheridan on 20 February, 2024, 10:44:50 AM
I've not listened to it yet, but it's downloaded to my spotify app (may listen on the way home tonight, or the way in tomorrow morning).
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 20 February, 2024, 11:19:43 AM
Listened to it yesterday- loads of nostalgic fun as always.  It wasn't a bad era for the Megazine at all - I think I preferred Dave Stone's Brit Cit Judgement Day to the Garth's-eye view.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 20 February, 2024, 12:40:08 PM
Sorry, I posted before I was finished.  I liked that Armitage story but it wasn't really an Armitage story as I saw it - Armitage for me was more about detective work over a pie and a pint,  and being an island of old-fashioned curmudgeonliness in a sea of high-tech sleaze and mad-looking juve gangs. 

That particular story was all monsters, shooting and ripped muscles (how the hell does an elderly desk copper get pecs like Schwarzenegger's?).  My teenage self did appreciate Charles Gillespie's naked Lisa though,  even if she looked exactly like every other woman in the story.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Doomlord66 on 02 March, 2024, 10:17:31 PM
So I've just been listening to your podcast ep 275 on progs 836 - 839 and hearing you guys talk about Firekind and how much you both liked it. Now I've had the 2000ad Ultimate collection of Firekind for quite a while now and I've always been passing it over as i don't really remember it and so I didn't think it would be worth reading but after hearing you guys rave about it, it's going next on my list
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 02 March, 2024, 11:21:00 PM
Firekind was brilliant- it's a huge part of what kept me reading through Tharg's difficult years. I find it hard to imagine that Avatar isn't at least a bit of a rip-off of Firekind, but I'd still take Firekind every time.

Do yourself a favour and read it.
Title: Re: Space Spinner 2000AD
Post by: Le Fink on 03 March, 2024, 07:47:04 AM
Firekind definitely a highlight for me when I was reading the prog. I used to copy out those dragon designs that Paul Marshall drew. One of his first stories for Tharg? Lots of detailed, intricate line work. His style has changed a bit since then, understandably, as it must have taken him ages to do what he did on Firekind. I recently picked up the Hachette volume and it didn't resonate with me as much on a re-read. It's quite slow going, with lots of textual description, which I have less patience with nowadays. Might read better in instalments. Still looks amazing though.