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Title: Prog 2105
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 October, 2018, 02:53:48 PM
On the cover, Hackman's back and growly. Turn the page and you've Dredd. He's angry. There's a revelation that'll possibly rock those who've been reading the Prog for a long while. And then at the end... oh my. I mean, [spoiler]we all knew there was something going on with Frank,[spoiler] but... I think I need a little sit down before I read the rest of this week's strips.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Tjm86 on 27 October, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
Aye, Dredd this week was a real jaw dropper on that front.  Flint's artwork continues to be a joy to behold as well.

As for the rest of the prog, everything tootling along nicely.  A good solid read as we edge ever closer to the end of year.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 27 October, 2018, 04:39:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BosdThb.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Tomwe on 27 October, 2018, 08:56:59 PM
I will miss Fiends, hope it comes back soon. The prog really is firing on all Cylinders right now. That Dredd episode! Not sure I can cope!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: SIP on 27 October, 2018, 11:02:53 PM
Dave Taylor, should you be reading, the art on Fiends was absolutely fantastic. Great work. I'll miss it!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Richard on 28 October, 2018, 02:17:44 PM
It was a dramatic and shocking ending to the Dredd episode this week. But I also thought that the revelation about [spoiler]Blondel Dupre[/spoiler] was a pretty big deal as well.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Geoff on 28 October, 2018, 05:38:27 PM
Still full steam ahead with the prog, great stuff.

And oh, Dredd's a bit of an eye opener...
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Magnetica on 28 October, 2018, 08:19:35 PM
The Prog is continuing to fire on all cylinders.

Will need sometime to process the implications of the reveal in Dredd.

Brink continues to be awesome. And has a change of palette.

Fiends wraps up way quicker than expected, but there is the promise of more to come soon.

In Kingdom Gene realise which side he should be on.

Weakest thing, sad to say is Skip Tracer which slips back after a few promising weeks.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Colin YNWA on 28 October, 2018, 09:23:29 PM
Well the Prog just continues to sing doesn't it, it really is quite fantastic... though in matters more trival can someone stick the tagline 'Pack Animal!' on this thread title - for some reason it always bugs me when it's missing... well I said its trivial

And lets be honest a Prog this good deserves better than such trivial concerns.

First and formost Dredd packs quite a punch... well should that be [spoiler]Dirty Frank[/spoiler] does but that was fantastic.

Skip Tracer continues to be the weakest thing in the Prog and yet still manages to be bloody great! Has a thrill ever turned around so much in the space one two stories?

Brink continues to be sublime. Once again a simple conversation that packs so much development and tension seemingly effortlessly.

Fiends ends superbly while setting up what's next and thankfully we won't have to wait long for it to return, though I think we have a different artist next time. Given what I figure will be a significent time slip that's all fair really. This has been brilliant and can't wait for Prog 2111.

Finally Kingdom continues to be the definative 2000ad thrill.

I almost feel sorry for the thrill that has to step up to the plate to fill the gap left by Fiends. But, while it might be be everyones cup of tea given that I think its more Dabnett with Steve Yeowell on Sinister Dexter I have no worries it will hold its own.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: wedgeski on 29 October, 2018, 09:23:46 AM
MORE Abnett??? Not complaining, mind you.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Tomwe on 29 October, 2018, 09:31:46 AM
Nope, up next in 2106 is "Infestinauts" http://www.pyeparr.com/tag/2000ad/
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 October, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
Arh sorry shows what I know. Could have sworn in 2100 at the end of Sinister Dexter in said returning in Prog... and thinking that back soon, wonder will make way. I was too lazy to check my facts last night!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: sheridan on 29 October, 2018, 01:06:05 PM
Quickly read the Dredd from a subscriber's copy at the Southern Contingent meeting on Saturday - quite the revelation or two - shall look forward to the re-read when i get my mitts on my own copy!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: McNulty on 29 October, 2018, 06:39:45 PM
Just got my prog in today.

What can I say about Dredd? We were told nothing was going to be the same again and they have certainly delivered on that promise. To say I was not expecting this week's last panel would be an understatement.

Skip Tracer continues to deliver a good story in a good artstyle.

Brink: Is not good but this opinion is clearly in the minority. Each to their own.

Fiends ends well but knowing what we know about Constanta's fate from the first series, I wonder what role Armand D'Hubert has for the future.

Kingdom: Gene has had a long journey with many different scenarios that could have led to a happy life, but it always gets taken away from him. His original pack, his original mission, living with humans, living with wild aux, living within a community, it never seems to work out. He is always hunted and always must fight and move on. After all that and after all he has lost, is it any wonder he doesn't trust anyone and wants to make his own decisions for his own kind? We must be coming to another reckoning now. There is a definate sense of urgency coming through in this week's episode. A deadline has been declared, something big is coming.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Proudhuff on 30 October, 2018, 04:27:33 PM
Got to agree with all the comments above...

okay, all of you who were whinging about [spoiler]Dirty Frank[/spoiler] please stand up and explain yourself to the rest of the Class?

And Frank Oftheboard please write a thousand words on 'Synergy in the Prog' for next week?

Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Woolly on 30 October, 2018, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 30 October, 2018, 04:27:33 PM
okay, all of you who were whinging about [spoiler]Dirty Frank[/spoiler] please stand up and explain yourself to the rest of the Class?

[spoiler]Well, i would ask why Dirty Frank is carrying out assassinations without one of them fangled invisibility suits? I take it a PSI Judge has also never attempted looking in his head? And why would Smiley even bother using Frank when he has invisible ninja Judges at his disposal? [/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Magnetica on 30 October, 2018, 07:09:13 PM
Yes that is [spoiler]an interesting point. Also, if Dirty Frank is really working for Smiley, how long has that been going on? What are the implications for what happened in Trifecta? On a related note, when did Smiley start running the stealth Judges - weren't they working for Bachmann in Trifecta? I need to re-read the lead up stories, but at the his point the only reason I knew they were under Smiley's control is because that is what it says in the Nerve Centre.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Frank on 30 October, 2018, 07:43:59 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 30 October, 2018, 04:27:33 PM
... please write a thousand words on 'Synergy in the Prog' for next week?

I'm not prepared to halve my usual word count.


Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: broodblik on 31 October, 2018, 02:39:54 AM
Great prog again.

Juts as Fiends is on a role it stops but it will be back at at least.

The rest of the stories and especially Dredd with a twist on the last panel is running on all cylinders.

Brink is the way to do strip without any action but intriguing to its core.

Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 09:47:36 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/L0sQCUk.png?3)

(https://i.imgur.com/Q8vyOWD.png?4)

(https://i.imgur.com/ExCi0TF.png?2)


Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Proudhuff on 31 October, 2018, 01:54:44 PM
Quote from: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 09:47:36 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/L0sQCUk.png?3)

(https://i.imgur.com/Q8vyOWD.png?4)

(https://i.imgur.com/ExCi0TF.png?2)




Trifecta point ahead!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 31 October, 2018, 02:13:45 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 30 October, 2018, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 30 October, 2018, 04:27:33 PM
okay, all of you who were whinging about [spoiler]Dirty Frank[/spoiler] please stand up and explain yourself to the rest of the Class?

[spoiler]Well, i would ask why Dirty Frank is carrying out assassinations without one of them fangled invisibility suits? I take it a PSI Judge has also never attempted looking in his head? And why would Smiley even bother using Frank when he has invisible ninja Judges at his disposal? [/spoiler]

(Just to note, again, that this thread appears under the 'Spoilers' header, so spoiler tags aren't required.)

Personally, in a story that is very specifically setting out its stall as a twisty-turny kind of affair, I wouldn't assume that anything should be taken at face value. We see security cam footage of Dredd with Kazan Jr, and Frank with Kazan Jr, but who has literally just shown us that they can mess with surveillance video feeds...?
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 02:22:51 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/gB1d0jZ.png?2)


Legion Dredd: Like Ichabod Azrael's horse, Sam's another Williams creation who's aware he's a character in a story. Unlike Ichabod's horse, he misunderstands his narrative function.

It'd be interesting if Smiley - a plot device made flesh - was acting upon the same self-awareness, but Im not sure Williams would let his proto-epic spin-off into self-reflexive whimsy.

Legion Brink: The vocabulary of Tharg's Nerve Centre list of exploding, hacking, climaxing Thrills highlights the incongruity of Brink: 'the unease levels are cranked even higher'. Brink's superbly written and drawn, but it must be hard to hype.

Legion Tracer: Is beginning to remind me of the eight weeks Sinister Dexter spent playing a VR flight simulator.

This might as well be a different strip to the one that finished a few weeks ago: nobody's skipped town and Norman isn't trying to trace them. Observation rather than criticism.

Legion Fiends: Turned out to be a prologue. 'Once more we play our dangerous game. We are not so different, you and I. For a thousand years, I have pursued you through human history: tonight, it ends!'  Future books lay spread out before us, like a patient etherized upon a table.

Legion Kingdom: Now he's come to the realisation that all the mainstream parties are only out for themselves, and are trying to shaft him and his people, I worry Gene - an angry, overweight bald bloke who looks like a Staffie and loves a scrap - is going to go all #FreeTommy (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2018/10/11/memes-infowars-75-fascist-activists-red-pilled/)

Legion 90: Was a comic I saw advertised in Sandman and Hellblazer. It's where Lobo came from, I think. Never bothered.


Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Proudhuff on 31 October, 2018, 03:18:17 PM
Full marks... almost. Marks deducted for trying to be too topical, when a 2000Ad reference would have been more geekish.

Quote from: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
Legion Kingdom: Now he's come to the realisation that all the mainstream parties are only out for themselves, and are trying to shaft him and his people, I worry Gene - an angry, overweight bald bloke who looks like a Staffie and loves a scrap - is going to go all Big Dave


Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 31 October, 2018, 03:18:17 PM
Quote from: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
#FreeTommy (https://www.bellingcat.com/news/americas/2018/10/11/memes-infowars-75-fascist-activists-red-pilled/)

Big Dave

Despite superficial resemblances, the two square-headed gentlemen have very different opinions of the British armed forces (https://i.imgur.com/vCuMwu0.png?1). And, unlike Luton's top Nelson Bunker Kreelman impersonator, even Big Dave hated Nazis (https://i.imgur.com/q9BDkS8.png).


Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: norton canes on 01 November, 2018, 10:09:58 AM
Just before I say how brilliant the prog is once again, I got one tiny complaint.

What's with all this 'Grud' nonsense? 

I know that 'drokk' stands in for 'f**k', and it some point in my 18-year prog hiatus 'stomm' became a synonym for 's**t', and I understand that such profanities remain off-limits, but... surely we're at the point now when we can simply use the word 'God', if that's what's meant? It gets used in plenty of other stories, doesn't it? Or is the implication that there are no longer any monotheistic religion beliefs in Mega City 1?

I can also see that it taps into the humorous lexicography of Dredd's world but, I just think, in a weight speech such as that delivered by Sam this week, it's better to use the word 'God'.


Oh yeah, almost forgot - the prog is brilliant once again.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: norton canes on 01 November, 2018, 10:31:20 AM
Although, I had a nasty Slaine flashback when that spiky all-caps speech bubble appeared in Skip Tracer (shudders)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: CalHab on 01 November, 2018, 10:56:22 AM
I no longer notice it, but I wonder if the "Grud" thing acts as an impediment to new readers?
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Steve Green on 01 November, 2018, 11:09:05 AM
It's all part of the mega-city language.

Why have pedways, zooms, dunks taps and pongos, instead of sidewalks, trains, pickpockets, muggers and confidence tricksters?

Because it's fun, same goes for Jovis, Mavis etc.

and God or Grud comes in all kinds of pronunciations in the real world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Pyroxian on 01 November, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 01 November, 2018, 11:09:05 AM
It's all part of the mega-city language.

Why have pedways, zooms, dunks taps and pongos, instead of sidewalks, trains, pickpockets, muggers and confidence tricksters?

Because it's fun, same goes for Jovis, Mavis etc.

and God or Grud comes in all kinds of pronunciations in the real world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah)

And let's not forget the sweet baby Jovus.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Steve Green on 01 November, 2018, 11:26:56 AM
Generally the religions have split according to whoever's writing them.


Grud etc. is more the baseline stand-in for Christianity, although Christianity itself does exist in Dredd.

Islam has appeared, Judaism hardly ever, and old Egyptian Gods, other ones like Scientology analogue The Church of Simpology, robot religions.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Molch-R on 01 November, 2018, 11:35:17 AM
The church of Grud has always appeared to be the 'state religion' of Mega-City One, presumably created and controlled by Justice Department. It can be seen as a parody of the Church of England - a Christian denomination but one which serves as, essentially, an arm of government rather than being its own thing. Benign, non-radical, and existing to serve a function of state - in the same vein of Richard Dawkins' claims of being a 'cultural' or 'secular' Christian, it's a church that requires little to no faith. It's just part of the background. So while evangelical Christianity exists alongside it, it would be difficult to describe the Church of Grud as a Christian church per se.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Steve Green on 01 November, 2018, 11:53:51 AM
Should also be noted that Grud himself has popped up in the strip, so it kind of ruins the theory of him being an arm of Justice Department.

Unless that's some hardcore Wally Squad work.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Molch-R on 01 November, 2018, 11:57:57 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 01 November, 2018, 11:53:51 AM
Should also be noted that Grud himself has popped up in the strip, so it kind of ruins the theory of him being an arm of Justice Department.

Unless that's some hardcore Wally Squad work.

I'm talking about the church itself, rather than any underpinning belief system - the question was why does everyone used 'Grud', so the cultural/secular use of religious language makes sense. Anyway, I'm pinning Grud's appearance down to collective hysterical hallucination/manifestation of the Jungian collective unconscious ;)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Steve Green on 01 November, 2018, 12:04:36 PM
Oh I'd agree it's just a background thing or residual from upbringing rather than the citizens being particularly religious.

It's useful to Justice Department to have something like that which isn't really there to inspire or make the citizens question anything.

It's not dangerous to them in the same way Christianity in the Jesus Syndrome, or democracy is.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Proudhuff on 01 November, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
Haven't you been paying attention?
That Grud appearance was a Smiley insertion, manipulating the zeitgeist.   
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: sheridan on 01 November, 2018, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 01 November, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 01 November, 2018, 11:09:05 AM
It's all part of the mega-city language.

Why have pedways, zooms, dunks taps and pongos, instead of sidewalks, trains, pickpockets, muggers and confidence tricksters?

Because it's fun, same goes for Jovis, Mavis etc.

and God or Grud comes in all kinds of pronunciations in the real world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah)

And let's not forget the sweet baby Jovus.


What the Gup?
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Pyroxian on 01 November, 2018, 02:12:17 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 01 November, 2018, 12:40:45 PM
Quote from: Pyroxian on 01 November, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
And let's not forget the sweet baby Jovus.
What the Gup?

Heresy! The Earth will open up and you will burn in fire!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Pyroxian on 01 November, 2018, 02:13:44 PM
(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/0/9116/356238-19752-127456-1-2000-a-d.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: pauljholden on 01 November, 2018, 03:00:27 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 01 November, 2018, 11:35:17 AM
The church of Grud has always appeared to be the 'state religion' of Mega-City One, presumably created and controlled by Justice Department. It can be seen as a parody of the Church of England - a Christian denomination but one which serves as, essentially, an arm of government rather than being its own thing. Benign, non-radical, and existing to serve a function of state - in the same vein of Richard Dawkins' claims of being a 'cultural' or 'secular' Christian, it's a church that requires little to no faith. It's just part of the background. So while evangelical Christianity exists alongside it, it would be difficult to describe the Church of Grud as a Christian church per se.

Having drawn a story (was collected in a recent megazine) that features the church of Grud, can confirm it's a melange of all the world's religions, so, whereas the other words do serve to soften the language (Drokk! stomm! etc, all having real world sweary counterparts) Grud is the only word that actually isn't paralleled in normal language, being a uniquely mega-city 1 thing.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: norton canes on 01 November, 2018, 03:21:45 PM
Thanks for your responses, everyone :)

I understand now that the word is more than just a humorous euphemism. However I do think that on this occasion (the first page of this prog's Dredd), that for increased impact, it might have been better to actually use the word 'God'.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Tiplodocus on 01 November, 2018, 08:13:30 PM
More top proggage from Tharg and droids. That opening page of Dredd is a thing of beauty; love the way the colour and focus gives the depth.

I'm also getting worried for Gene and whether he'll get the happy ending he deserves.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: McNulty on 02 November, 2018, 12:14:19 AM
QuoteI'm also getting worried for Gene and whether he'll get the happy ending he deserves.

Thanks man, I thought I was the only one...
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: TordelBack on 02 November, 2018, 02:14:17 AM
Hasn't Smiley always been in Frank's head, since before he was even a Wally? Wasn't that what all the stuff in the snow was about, pre-Trifecta? I've always thought the snow might be Apocalypse War related - and this 2103 date has me intrigued.

I've also never really understood how Sam survived Enceladus in the first place: he'd cimbed down a big narrow hole with little oxygen, fighting hordes of alien spiders. That convenient rescue seems sus to me. Is it possible he's now an ice-entity who just thinks he's Sam?

Elsewhere, Brink's Kurtis conspicuously isn't throwing up at the first of the magic words... Will handsy psycho Tillerson go full Phale Chronozon next?

Kingdom's talkiest ever run is still gripping stuff: nobody better hurt Gene, he's a good dog. The best dog.

I wasn't mad on the very conventional Baba Yaga when she showed up in Fiends,   but she certainly made an impression this week: the bit with the moon was great. An immortal rival for Konstanza is a pretty good idea, but I'll be sorry if we're done with 1812 already.

Skip Tracer bubbles along, and I can't quite decide if it's just Colin's wonderfully involving page layouts that keep my attention week-to-week, but something certainly does.  I briefly hoped those laddos were the Lloigor escaping Chimera at last, but now I reckon this is more of a Peter F Hamilton thing.




Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: broodblik on 02 November, 2018, 02:42:48 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 November, 2018, 02:14:17 AM

I've also never really understood how Sam survived Enceladus in the first place: he'd cimbed down a big narrow hole with little oxygen, fighting hordes of alien spiders. That convenient rescue seems sus to me. Is it possible he's now an ice-entity who just thinks he's Sam?


You make an interesting point[spoiler] and this might be the reason why Frank did what he did. He knew[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Magnetica on 02 November, 2018, 07:21:49 AM
Does anyone know what Prog all that stuff in the snow appeared in?
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: sheridan on 02 November, 2018, 12:40:59 PM
Quote from: Magnetica on 02 November, 2018, 07:21:49 AM
Does anyone know what Prog all that stuff in the snow appeared in?
Was that a jumping-on prog story with a face in a drink?
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: norton canes on 02 November, 2018, 02:23:32 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 November, 2018, 02:14:17 AM
Elsewhere, Brink's Kurtis conspicuously isn't throwing up at the first of the magic words...

I don't know, it looks like she might be trying to suppress a gag reflex... I'd take a punt on the first panel of the next installment showing her out cold
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Modern Panther on 02 November, 2018, 05:40:25 PM
QuoteBrink's Kurtis conspicuously isn't throwing up at the first of the magic words...

I have concerns about how this will end, and her first name..."Bridge"
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 November, 2018, 05:50:07 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 November, 2018, 02:14:17 AM
Hasn't Smiley always been in Frank's head, since before he was even a Wally? Wasn't that what all the stuff in the snow was about, pre-Trifecta? I've always thought the snow might be Apocalypse War related - and this 2103 date has me intrigued.

Quote from: Magnetica on 02 November, 2018, 07:21:49 AM
Does anyone know what Prog all that stuff in the snow appeared in?

Prog#1809 (Trifecta) Low Life: Saudade Part 5

(http://i.imgur.com/woavfbW.jpg) (https://imgur.com/woavfbW)

(http://i.imgur.com/seRpBIM.jpg) (https://imgur.com/seRpBIM)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: TordelBack on 02 November, 2018, 06:56:39 PM
That's the main one alright,  but wasn't there a previous Frank-dying-in-a-blizzard flashback/vision sequence?
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 November, 2018, 08:13:05 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ayWd8RL.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ayWd8RL)

(http://i.imgur.com/PRJRYll.jpg) (https://imgur.com/PRJRYll)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: JOE SOAP on 02 November, 2018, 08:14:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/R6h6zQp.jpg) (https://imgur.com/R6h6zQp)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: IndigoPrime on 02 November, 2018, 08:19:41 PM
And there began the Judge Dredd universe/Star Brand crossover.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: TordelBack on 02 November, 2018, 09:15:16 PM
That's the one,  lovely stuff Joe,  thanks!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Goosegash on 03 November, 2018, 10:08:57 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 November, 2018, 02:14:17 AM
I've also never really understood how Sam survived Enceladus in the first place: he'd cimbed down a big narrow hole with little oxygen, fighting hordes of alien spiders. That convenient rescue seems sus to me. Is it possible he's now an ice-entity who just thinks he's Sam?


The part that got me about Sam's narration was at one point, describing Dredd, he says "That is what I most miss about him."

Reading too much into it, or is something bad going to befall old Joe? But then, how would Sam know he was dead? Hmm.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Goosegash on 03 November, 2018, 10:12:56 AM
Should've read "How would Sam know if he was dead", curse the lack of edit function,
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Steve Green on 03 November, 2018, 10:42:24 AM
Rob posted on twitter that it's a mistake, it should have read 'what most miss about him'
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Steve Green on 03 November, 2018, 10:42:59 AM
Or instagram, one of those.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Frank on 03 November, 2018, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 03 November, 2018, 10:42:24 AM
Rob posted on twitter that it's a mistake, it should have read 'what most miss about him'

Aaah!


Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: BPP on 03 November, 2018, 11:20:47 AM
And indeed ooooooooh.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Goosegash on 03 November, 2018, 11:54:30 AM
Ah, well that completely changes the meaning then! Oh well.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Blue Cactus on 03 November, 2018, 02:37:09 PM
Finally read this prog today. Not much to add to what's been said, but am I missing something on p.2 of Dredd when he mentions 'the total number of illegal assassinations of citizens'? Are there legal assassinations of citizens?

I'd be happy if Rob Williams had time to write Dredd for most of the year. Frankly I'd rather have that than a Dredd tv series!

Baba Yaga choking up a big egg was a great visual moment. I like that her inclusion has allowed Fiends to have some imaginative magical action which makes a nice change from more conventional fighty action.

Brink is my favourite thing in the prog. The palette changes are masterful and I love having a strip that's about atmosphere and dialogue to break up the prog. Who's have thought a strip of five-page episodes could work as a slow building tension-fest? A top ten thrill of all time for me I think.

I wish Gene would get more time to hang out with Leezee. I loved their friendship when she was a wee girl, waited years and years for them to be reunited, to the point where I thought her character had been forgotten about, and they've still barely had time to draw breath. He's such a good dog. I hope Abnett finds Leezee something to do other than running about being scared, and I REALLY hope she doesn't get killed.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: BPP on 03 November, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 03 November, 2018, 02:37:09 PMAre there legal assassinations of citizens?

I'd be happy if Rob Williams had time to write Dredd for most of the year. Frankly I'd rather have that than a Dredd tv series!


Judges have been executing citizens for years. Sometimes as a sentence sometimes as policy ('this guy is too dangerous to live, go get him Joe'). Without trials judgement becomes the purview of the police and if they think you've committed a crime you can be sentenced immediately or prior to direct contact. Execution, assassination all roll into the same thing - direct judgement. As long as it's sanctioned by the statutes and codes it's legal. 
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Frank on 03 November, 2018, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: BPP on 03 November, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 03 November, 2018, 02:37:09 PMAre there legal assassinations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination#Cold_War_and_beyond) of citizens?

Judges have been executing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment) citizens for years

I suppose the Cerulean Succulent is drawing a distinction between capital punishment - Justice Department delivering and then carrying out a legal sentence, either at the kerbside (http://www.seattlereviewofbooks.com/webhook-uploads/1470637628514/Bank-Raid-02.gif) or in a correctional facility (https://i.imgur.com/gRDS6ym.jpg) - and whacking an unsuspecting citizen over a cuppa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko) or while doing admin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi).


Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: JOE SOAP on 03 November, 2018, 08:04:55 PM


Assassinations are considered to be more extrajudicial in practice and closer to the actions of Death Squads. The Judge do manoeuvre into grey areas but they still have strict laws.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: TordelBack on 03 November, 2018, 08:44:31 PM
The Security of the City Act appears to sanction executions (and lobotomies, and other measures) of citizens that haven't committed a crime deserving that sentence, but perceived as posing a major risk to the City nonetheless. These would,  I assume,  be legal assassinations. Dredd's actions in The Exterminator also spring to mind.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: DrJomster on 03 November, 2018, 11:17:29 PM
Everyone else has said it, but I'm not going to let that stop me saying it... Blimey,  that was yet another really awesome prog!

Just want to give a nod to that comment earlier about Skip Tracer. This has REALLY moved up a gear this time round. Lovely to see!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Blue Cactus on 04 November, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
Good points on the assassination front people. I wasn't sure if it referred to justice dept-approved assassinations or if it was just a mistake in the script - most likely the former then.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Apestrife on 04 November, 2018, 01:44:38 PM
Perhaps this has been discussed before, but Brink's use of blacked out cursing. Anyone else thinking there's something more to it than just blacking out curse words? I don't remember ane of the language in book one or two being blacked out like that, and also not using words alluding to "f*ck" and such.

What if said words are actually something else, and no one is realising it? A bit like no one reactign that surprised when people start puking after hearing phale cronozon.

Really like Brink and Dredd at the moment. Both are brilliant thrillers!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Theblazeuk on 06 November, 2018, 01:29:49 PM
Fiends was bloody great. Dredd stands among my favourite recent stories. Tracer is lacking anything to make it stand out sadly. Kingdom continues to be wonderful. Brink remains my favourite, though I felt like the main character is a really bad actor/liar.

Quote from: Frank on 31 October, 2018, 02:22:51 PM
Legion 90: Was a comic I saw advertised in Sandman and Hellblazer. It's where Lobo came from, I think. Never bothered.

Really rather good actually. Brainiac 2 runs a private police force that steps in to fill the void left by the Green Lantern Corps, bringing a more mercenary approach to 'justice' in DC Space. Lobo was in it, as probably the most famous part of the whole 'contemporary' DC space universe during the 90s - he was kind of like Wolverine I think at that point. L.E.G.I.O.N was slightly fascistic, dark and gritty, and not anything like their descendants in the 30th Century (at least not until Keith Giffen took over again for the '5 Year Gap' series, which saw the United Planets riven by war, or until Dabnett of this parish finished off his epic run on the post Zero-Hour series with Lovecraftian space vampires, an elder god, etc...).

Sorry geek out over. Go read Legion, it's Toothy as heck.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: metcalfecarr on 08 November, 2018, 01:01:16 PM

though I think we have a different artist next time. Given what I figure will be a significent time slip that's all fair really. This has been brilliant and can't wait for Prog 2111.

Accordinf to Ian Edgington at Ice this year Tiernan Trevellion will be drawing the next Fiends

And is it me or is there a real Ron Smith vibe to Tiernan's Kingdom cover this week?
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Professor Bear on 12 January, 2019, 05:29:46 PM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 30 October, 2018, 04:27:33 PMplease write a thousand words on 'Synergy in the Prog' for next week?

Rather more accurate to do a piece on how many times writers can recycle the same few references before people start calling them out.  Unless you mean Synergy, the sentient AI from the 1980s cartoon series Jem And The Holograms, in which case, I will admit to being curious why Frank wants this in the prog.

I'm playing catch-up here and I'm just not getting along with Dredd or Skip Tracer, which at least have great visuals.
Brink remains the highlight, followed by Kingdom, but after a good start I thought Fiends fizzled out and I was really taken out of the story by that abrupt last page and him just declaring MY NAME IS LEGION like a fucking idiot in front of all those people - there's some lass near him who just looks confused why he would say such a thing out loud.  Join the club, miss.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Tiplodocus on 15 January, 2019, 08:53:29 PM
No, I am Legion.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.polarimagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Leee-John.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Tiplodocus on 19 January, 2019, 11:43:58 AM
Come on! That joke was brilliant and deserved some, any, response!
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Fungus on 19 January, 2019, 11:49:38 AM
I got it.
But some people just have no imagination.
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Dandontdare on 19 January, 2019, 09:23:28 PM
I don't know who that is so it went straight over my head
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Theblazeuk on 06 February, 2019, 04:22:00 PM
According to the URL of the image, it's some guy called Lee John. I don't know who that is either or why he's fading like Marty McFly BUT there's the joke :P
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Fungus on 06 February, 2019, 04:48:51 PM
Use your imagination (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagination_(band))...
Title: Re: Prog 2105
Post by: Theblazeuk on 07 February, 2019, 06:08:28 PM
I now appreciate the second pun