...or whatever it's going to be called. Thought it was about time this had its own thread!
Directed by Phil Lord & Christopher Miller and written by father & son Jon & Lawrence Kasdan
Lord & Miller are best known for directing "21 & 22 Jump Street", "The Lego Movie" and "Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs".
Lawrence Kasdan obviously wrote "Empire", "Jedi", "Force Awakens"," Raiders of the Lost Ark" as well as "The Bodyguard", "Dreamcatcher", ""Grand Canyon" and some other stuff
Jon Kasdan wrote and directed "In the Land of Women" and "The First Time".
Only confirmed cast so far is...
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Alden Ehrenreich as Han Solo who has been in Beautiful Creatures, Hail Ceasar, Stoker & Blue Jasmine only really
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Donald Glover as Lando Calrissian - announced just a few hours ago Glover has made big waves on telly in Community and in his own show Atlanta. He was in The Martian also and may play a significant part in Spider-Man Homecoming.
Some good names - looking interesting!
I don't doubt the ability of anyone involved, but I still seriously question the whole idea of a Han Solo movie.
That said, the events of TFA recast Han's life in a fairly bleak mould: a man who failed as an amoral smuggler, changed his ways but failed to do more than interrupt an evil Empire, failed his son to the point that he became a twisted murderer, lost his relationship with his wife, failed as a smuggler again, and was ultimately killed by his own son, having failed to bring him back from the Dark Side... even accidentally killing Boba Fett didn't seem to stick, if rumours are to be believed.
So maybe one last chance to see a carefree Solo might be a good thing, even knowing the crushing future that awaits him once he actually decides to do the right thing
Hydraulic doors gags aside is Han solo's future that "crushing"?
I didnt think TFA painted quite that picture. leia and Han were ill prepared to raised a Jedi powered child cos Luke wasn't around and then Snoke filled that gap.
So I think it's Luke who is looking in need of redemption.
Quote from: matty_ae on 22 October, 2016, 08:08:02 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 October, 2016, 07:30:58 AM
... the events of TFA recast Han's life in a fairly bleak mould ... failed his son to the point that he became a twisted murderer, lost his relationship with his wife, failed as a smuggler again, and was ultimately killed by his own son, having failed to bring him back from the Dark Side ...
I didnt think TFA painted quite that picture. leia and Han were ill prepared to raised a Jedi powered child ...
All of which explains why
The Farsi Wiccans plays more like a fan film or a video game cut scene than proper
'Wars. It completely misses the tone of the character and misunderstands his function in the story.
Han's the fun guy who comes in, introduces a bit of chaos, and lightens the mood - like Hudson in
Aliens, Burt Gummer in
Tremors, or Amon Göth in
Schindler's List.
As Ford understood, Han Solo is essentially the comic relief. You can't pin dramatic* weight on Han without losing the essence of the character, which is why the bit in
Jedi where he has to be jealous of Luke & Leia is shite.
Hiring Lord & Miller suggests someone at Lucasfilm understands that. Hiring Alden Ehrenreich off the back of his charming supporting comic turn in
Hail Caesar does too. Han Solo's a fun guy who enjoys getting up to fun things and does them in a fun way that's fun to watch.
* I'm making a distinction here between dramatic weight and narrative focus. Indiana Jones is an extension of Ford's Han Solo dramatic persona; he's the narrative focus of Raiders - all the action revolves around him, and his getting the thing he wants is what drives the story - but Indy isn't asked to carry any dramatic weight - he doesn't have to react to Diane Keaton screaming that she had an abortion or kiss his brother and tell him he always knew he had betrayed him to Hyman Roth
'Amoral smuggler?' You mean Entrepreneur. Looks very good so far and I must admit I'm looking forward to see how Han met Chewbacca.
Quote...completely misses the tone of the character and misunderstands his function in the story.
Which story, though? The OT story wrapped up neatly, although as you point out Han's part of it drifted badly off-message at the end. The ST is a different story, or rather the same story with different characters in familiar roles: Han's function here is deliberately changed to the Ben Kenobi/Qui-Gon role - it's not a misunderstanding. FWIW I thought Ford/Han was the best thing in TFA, and while I regret that my all-time greatest movie hero was retrospectively denied even a semblance of a happy ending and would rather they'd left well alone,, I think his character and its changed tone carried 'dramatic weight very successfully.
As to Luke not being around to help with Ben, Leia's regret in the movie is that she
did send Ben away to train with Luke.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 22 October, 2016, 09:08:18 AM
'Amoral smuggler?' You mean Entrepreneur. Looks very good so far and I must admit I'm looking forward to see how Han met Chewbacca.
If you want to bet against them initially being rivals, who are forced to work together to defeat a common foe, I'm happy to take your money.
Like TordelBack, I enjoyed seeing Ford reprise the role of Han Solo
(mainly his interaction with Chewie), it's just that for a lot of TFA he isn't playing Han Solo. As correctly stated, he's playing Ben Kenobi.
That's not why or how Han Solo dies; everybody has to die, but Han Solo would find a way to make that fun and exciting too*.
The death of Ford's character works dramatically in the context of the film's garbled back story, but it's not the death of the guy who blasted Greedo, the comms panel of HMP Death Star, and Darth Vader's TIE fighter because he got bored and thought it would make the film more exciting.
* Hell, Randy Quaid's death in Independence Day does a better job of being dramatically significant, consistent with the established character, and great fun. I can't believe I'm arguing that anything about Independence Day is better than Star Wars. I can't believe I'm arguing anything about Independence Day is any good ...
See, I disagree. At the end, Han is stripped of all bluster and guile, he's betrayed to his death by love while trying to fix his mistakes. This is at least one way the arc of the character could end: initially cynical, selfish, loner, becomes trusting, selfless, loving... and pays for it. I don't care to see him brought low for doing the right thing, especially at Leia's insistence, but I do believe it.
Although as I think we'll see, Han's efforts in TFA will ultimately undermine Ben's commitment to the dark side: as Lor San Teka foretells at the opening of the movie "this will begin to make things right".
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 October, 2016, 11:13:50 AM
At the end, Han is stripped of all bluster and guile, he's betrayed to his death by love while trying to fix his mistakes
Yeah, but none of that was fun or exciting*. Han Solo's fun and exciting.
Hopefully the Solo film will be fun Han exciting, like
Raiders Of The Lost Ark and the bits of
Butch Cassidy where they aren't cornered by Bolivian federales.
* We agree it worked dramatically, and I welled up as soon as Han headed onto that generic Star Wars walkway, but I would have got a bit teary if Han Solo ignored his doctor's advice about reducing his sodium intake, or died because he bought a Samsung phone.
Quote from: Frank on 22 October, 2016, 09:02:52 AM
...The Farsi Wiccans plays more like a fan film or a video game cut scene than proper 'Wars. It completely misses the tone of the character and misunderstands his function in the story.
As Ford understood, Han Solo is essentially the comic relief. You can't pin dramatic* weight on Han without losing the essence of the character,
* I'm making a distinction here between dramatic weight and narrative focus. Indiana Jones is an extension of Ford's Han Solo dramatic persona; he's the narrative focus of Raiders - all the action revolves around him, and his getting the thing he wants is what drives the story - but Indy isn't asked to carry any dramatic weight - he doesn't have to react to Diane Keaton screaming that she had an abortion or kiss his brother and tell him he always knew he had betrayed him to Hyman Roth
Quote from: Frank on 22 October, 2016, 09:47:24 AM...I enjoyed seeing Ford reprise the role of Han Solo (mainly his interaction with Chewie), it's just that for a lot of TFA he isn't playing Han Solo. As correctly stated, he's playing Ben Kenobi.
That's not why or how Han Solo dies; everybody has to die, but Han Solo would find a way to make that fun and exciting too*.
For years we lapped-up
Dredd being the sardonic bollix who has a great time shooting and throwing perps or poor unfortunate souls in the pokey without much internal fall-out but if we enforced those narrative confines of 'function' on our beloved
Joe, we wouldn't have
The Dead Man/Tale of The Dead Man/Necropolis where significantly, for the first time,
Dredd essentially
is the story and carries both its dramatic weight and narrative focus. If
Dredd had died at the end of that story it would've been a fitting end if not the end we might, with hindsight, we might ultimately want.
Personally I find the balance of elder
Han's mirth and pathos worked well in his reluctant mentor/torch-carrying role and the idea of
Han & Leia being great rebels but shitty parents rings true. For me these aren't TFA's glaring issues but more that
Rey's search for
Luke - the outlines of his myth - and
Han's search for
Kylo - their relationship - both get distracted by Death Stars before getting to that sacrificial end.
I just wonder why Joe Schmoe is supposed to care about the old loser from The Force Awakens who doesn't even make it to the end credits.
To me the need to make a young Han solo movie means that nobody can come up with an original character/actor combo with chemistry/dynamics of something conceived in 1977. which is a bit sad...or that nobody is prepared to go out on a limb and try (which i suspect is closer to the truth)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 October, 2016, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: Frank on 22 October, 2016, 09:02:52 AM
Han's the fun guy who comes in, introduces a bit of chaos, and lightens the mood ... everybody has to die, but Han Solo would find a way to make that fun and exciting too
... if we enforced those narrative confines of 'function' on (Judge Dredd), we wouldn't have The Dead Man/Tale of The Dead Man/Necropolis
Those stories were fun and exciting. Like Han Solo.
Donald Glover's school photo...
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That's Fleabag (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p040tlqx)! There's no way she's going to make it through the film without asking Darth Vader to take her up the bum.
I was just looking for this thread to bring that exact thing up. WE'RE BRAINMERGING.
Seriously though after a thoroughly harrowing day in the trenches the site of the glorious Fleabag amidst the already strong HS cast n' crew was enough to lift my spirits completely :D
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Michael K. Williams has been cast in Han Solo (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/michael-kenneth-williams-han-solo-movie-1202001257/).... the cast... of this film...
seriously with this and Death of Stalin I think casting directors worldwide have hit peak glorious.
http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-movie-directors-phil-lord-christopher-miller-exit-1202473743/ (http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-movie-directors-phil-lord-christopher-miller-exit-1202473743/)
...everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you.
'Star Wars': Han Solo Film Loses Directors (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-film-loses-directors-1015419)
"Unfortunately, our vision and process weren't aligned with our partners on this project."
Ouch. That doesn't sound good...
Boring conversation anyway.
Happy to be proved wrong, but this was a bad idea from the start.
Tá sé fucked.
They should fuckin kick this into the long grass. Rogue 1 was great but how can anyone else play Solo apart from Ford? Pants idea!
Quote from: Frank on 21 February, 2017, 06:04:41 PM
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That's Fleabag (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p040tlqx)! There's no way she's going to make it through the film without asking Darth Vader to take her up the bum.
Ok who is Fleabag and why would she take it up the botty? :)
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 21 June, 2017, 02:49:34 AM
They should fuckin kick this into the long grass.
That can't happen now and they've enough money to salvage it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 June, 2017, 02:58:00 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 21 June, 2017, 02:49:34 AM
They should fuckin kick this into the long grass.
That can't happen now and they've enough money to salvage it.
Probably. It was bad enough having River Phoenix playing IJ but this could be even worse.
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 21 June, 2017, 03:06:41 AM
It was bad enough having River Phoenix playing IJ
That worked quite well.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 June, 2017, 03:07:57 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 21 June, 2017, 03:06:41 AM
It was bad enough having River Phoenix playing IJ
That worked quite well.
I didn't like it. I just couldn't imagine RP as a young Harrison Ford and wasn't fussed on the stories either.
Okay, let me get this, they only written & directed two comedy spoofs and a cartoon film? So no big loss.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 October, 2016, 12:18:37 PM
Personally I find the balance of elder Han's mirth and pathos worked well in his reluctant mentor/torch-carrying role and the idea of Han & Leia being great rebels but shitty parents rings true. For me these aren't TFA's glaring issues but more that Rey's search for Luke - the outlines of his myth - and Han's search for Kylo - their relationship - both get distracted by Death Stars before getting to that sacrificial end.
As a crap rebel but excellent parent, or is it the other way round? I'm with Joe on this one :thumbsup:
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 21 June, 2017, 03:13:06 AM
I just couldn't imagine RP as a young Harrison Ford and wasn't fussed on the stories either.
That was Sean Patrick Flanery.
I want Greedo in this Movie. Han could witness Greedo firing first on some lowlife Bounty scum, therefore, justifying Solo's underhand tactics at the Mos Eisley cantina. Reservoir Dogs in Space will always sound cool to small minded, impressionable people like me so I hope that's the aim they're heading for here.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 21 June, 2017, 10:25:48 AM
I want Greedo in this Movie. Han could witness Greedo firing first on some lowlife Bounty scum, therefore, justifying Solo's underhand tactics at the Mos Eisley cantina. Reservoir Dogs in Space will always sound cool to small minded, impressionable people like me so I hope that's the aim they're heading for here.
Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating a Han Solo origin flick without referencing Greedo shooting in a specific order is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 June, 2017, 01:34:46 PM
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 21 June, 2017, 10:25:48 AM
I want Greedo in this Movie. Han could witness Greedo firing first on some lowlife Bounty scum, therefore, justifying Solo's underhand tactics at the Mos Eisley cantina. Reservoir Dogs in Space will always sound cool to small minded, impressionable people like me so I hope that's the aim they're heading for here.
Sir, the possibility of successfully navigating a Han Solo origin flick without referencing Greedo shooting in a specific order is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Never tell me the odds.
Richie Cunningham (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-ron-howard-steps-direct-1015674) is taking over.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2017, 04:02:27 PM
Richie Cunningham (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-ron-howard-steps-direct-1015674) is taking over.
My social media feed showed that Ron Howard just happened to be in the UK last week, having story development meetings with a British author of my vague acquaintance, whose book he's bought the movie rights to.
How entirely coincidental that he should be in the UK just as things are falling apart at Pinewood and that he could be announced as replacement director so quickly.
Howard is recasting already:
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Happy days!!!!!!! Sorry couldn't resist it.
I think this could be great news though. Do like most of his films! Cocoon, Willow, Apollo 13 et al. I'm really hoping they do Han Solo justice! Please don't mess this up Disney!
Now I'll being watching the film thinking who shot what first.
Arf!
A largely internet-free holiday (other than the odd visit here) meant that I missed this news. No question that Howard has the skill and experience, but bringing in a Lucas-era man (American Graffiti actor, Willow director) who now cranks out Dan Brown adaptations to order doesn't say a lot for the freshness of Disney's latest experiment. Hopefully we'll see some Cocoon/Apollo 13 Howard and not Angels & Demons/Far & Away Howard.
New set photos remain as uninspiring as the entire idea of this movie, but hey ho.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 22 June, 2017, 07:20:27 PM
Now I'll being watching the film thinking who shot what first.
First class sir!
As for the film. Not sure to be honest. Although I did enjoy the Lando comic which gave some backstory.
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 July, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
Arf!
A largely internet-free holiday (other than the odd visit here) meant that I missed this news. No question that Howard has the skill and experience, but bringing in a Lucas-era man (American Graffiti actor, Willow director) who now cranks out Dan Brown adaptations to order doesn't say a lot for the freshness of Disney's latest experiment. Hopefully we'll see some Cocoon/Apollo 13 Howard and not Angels & Demons/Far & Away Howard.
New set photos remain as uninspiring as the entire idea of this movie, but hey ho.
The reality is, Kasdan is ghost directing this one I think.
Quote from: Eric Plumrose on 21 June, 2017, 09:40:37 AM
Quote from: ABCwarBOT on 21 June, 2017, 03:13:06 AM
I just couldn't imagine RP as a young Harrison Ford and wasn't fussed on the stories either.
That was Sean Patrick Flanery.
No - that was in TV's Young Indie Chronicles - we're talking about the first scenes of Last Crusade.
Quote from: SIP on 12 July, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
The reality is, Kasdan is ghost directing this one I think.
Force ghost directing, surely?
Quote from: SIP on 12 July, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 July, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
Arf!
A largely internet-free holiday (other than the odd visit here) meant that I missed this news. No question that Howard has the skill and experience, but bringing in a Lucas-era man (American Graffiti actor, Willow director) who now cranks out Dan Brown adaptations to order doesn't say a lot for the freshness of Disney's latest experiment. Hopefully we'll see some Cocoon/Apollo 13 Howard and not Angels & Demons/Far & Away Howard.
New set photos remain as uninspiring as the entire idea of this movie, but hey ho.
The reality is, Kasdan is ghost directing this one I think.
Yes. Legally he can't but in reality I bet he is.
He's certainly calling the direction of the film, hence the forced departure of the previous directors who weren't, a allegedly, keeping to script.
As such, I have high hopes that this will be a decent film. Unlike the mess of Rogue One this will at least have a strong and singular approach.
Quote from: SIP on 13 July, 2017, 07:16:42 PM
He's certainly calling the direction of the film, hence the forced departure of the previous directors who weren't, a allegedly, keeping to script.
As such, I have high hopes that this will be a decent film. Unlike the mess of Rogue One this will at least have a strong and singular approach.
Doubtful they'd hire someone of Howard's stature and experience to direct, just to have him on the sidelines.
If they'd wanted that, they'd of hired some young naive director they could boss around-not unlike the two they just fired.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 13 July, 2017, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: SIP on 13 July, 2017, 07:16:42 PM
He's certainly calling the direction of the film, hence the forced departure of the previous directors who weren't, a allegedly, keeping to script.
As such, I have high hopes that this will be a decent film. Unlike the mess of Rogue One this will at least have a strong and singular approach.
Doubtful they'd hire someone of Howard's stature and experience to direct, just to have him on the sidelines.
If they'd wanted that, they'd of hired some young naive director they could boss around-not unlike the two they just fired.
No, it is the perfect cover.
Quote from: SIP on 12 July, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 July, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
Arf!
A largely internet-free holiday (other than the odd visit here) meant that I missed this news. No question that Howard has the skill and experience, but bringing in a Lucas-era man (American Graffiti actor, Willow director) who now cranks out Dan Brown adaptations to order doesn't say a lot for the freshness of Disney's latest experiment. Hopefully we'll see some Cocoon/Apollo 13 Howard and not Angels & Demons/Far & Away Howard.
New set photos remain as uninspiring as the entire idea of this movie, but hey ho.
The reality is, Kasdan is ghost directing this one I think.
You think an A-list talent with a Best Director Oscar is going to be willing to be the front for someone else and completely devalue his rep in Hollywood?
Seriously?
Quote from: GordonR on 13 July, 2017, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: SIP on 12 July, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 July, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
Arf!
A largely internet-free holiday (other than the odd visit here) meant that I missed this news. No question that Howard has the skill and experience, but bringing in a Lucas-era man (American Graffiti actor, Willow director) who now cranks out Dan Brown adaptations to order doesn't say a lot for the freshness of Disney's latest experiment. Hopefully we'll see some Cocoon/Apollo 13 Howard and not Angels & Demons/Far & Away Howard.
New set photos remain as uninspiring as the entire idea of this movie, but hey ho.
The reality is, Kasdan is ghost directing this one I think.
You think an A-list talent with a Best Director Oscar is going to be willing to be the front for someone else and completely devalue his rep in Hollywood?
Seriously?
Yes, as it will not devalue his rep in Hollywood. Those awful Dan Brown movies have done that.
Those movies made a fuckton of money and Hollywood cares more about that than their quality. Ron Howard is still tinseltown royalty.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 13 July, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Those movies made a fuckton of money and Hollywood cares more about that than their quality. Ron Howard is still tinseltown royalty.
True but I don't see how ghost directing the Han Solo movie would devalue his rep. It is just a rumour.
Quote from: GordonR on 13 July, 2017, 08:20:15 PM
Quote from: SIP on 12 July, 2017, 09:33:53 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 12 July, 2017, 04:25:28 PM
Arf!
A largely internet-free holiday (other than the odd visit here) meant that I missed this news. No question that Howard has the skill and experience, but bringing in a Lucas-era man (American Graffiti actor, Willow director) who now cranks out Dan Brown adaptations to order doesn't say a lot for the freshness of Disney's latest experiment. Hopefully we'll see some Cocoon/Apollo 13 Howard and not Angels & Demons/Far & Away Howard.
New set photos remain as uninspiring as the entire idea of this movie, but hey ho.
The reality is, Kasdan is ghost directing this one I think.
You think an A-list talent with a Best Director Oscar is going to be willing to be the front for someone else and completely devalue his rep in Hollywood?
Seriously?
No, I think Ron Howard will direct, but I also think Lucasfilm and Disney have shown 100% backing for Kasdan in the recent dispute and i expect that Ron Howard will be expected to keep 100% to the script, something that wasn't allegedly happening with the previous directors, resulting in their sacking.
Please dont assume that I am ignorant or naive as to what the director brings to the table, but the underlying reason for the change of director is well documented and understood and Kathleen Kennedy has been quite visible in her support of Kasdans vision for the film.
It's also worth mentioning that Howard does have some history with Disney, 2/3rds of the shoot was already completed before he even came on board (so unlikely he will be stamping his own vision on it), and it certainly won't damage Howard's reputation to be connected to the star wars franchise, and the likelihood that he will have a film attached to his name that will probably make in the region of 0.5-1 billion dollars at the box office (considering Star wars form at the box office).
Exactly how would this be damaging his reputation in money obsessed Hollywood?
The original directorial choice was a bad fit. There was no need for improvisational comedy direction when you had the Empire screen writer on board. What you needed was someone who could give the film some visual identity and be faithful to the source material and th e script. Hopefully that is what Ron Howard will bring.
Last comment - it's also a plus for Disney to have a known, successful directors name attached, even with limited involvement..... to everyone wins on this one.
Quote from: SIP on 13 July, 2017, 10:45:46 PM
What you needed was someone who could give the film some visual identity and be faithful to the source material and th e script. Hopefully that is what Ron Howard will bring.
That's generally what a director does; not a 'ghost director'.
Poltergeist was apparently and ironically, a ghost-directed film – as in producer Stephen Spielberg wrote the film, designed the storyboards and lined-up the shots on the day, but it was Tobe Hooper who yelled action and cut. I don't imagine Ron Howard putting himself in that kind of position.
Ron Howard is not really going to be able to stamp his own mark on the film though. With 2/3rds already filmed he will need to keep to a visual style already dictated to some degree (depending on the actual scale of the reshoots). What has transpired already would suggest that his main remit is to keep Kasdan happy and turn out the film that he wants.
It doesn't hurt Ron Howard to have his name against it, and it helps Disney with marketing the film.
If Disney want Ron Howard to be named as director on the credits, he needs to have shot over half the footage. If its two thirds shot already, that suggests reshoots are coming.
If Superman 2 is anything to go by, anyway.
Quote from: Woolly on 14 July, 2017, 08:53:24 AM
If Disney want Ron Howard to be named as director on the credits, he needs to have shot over half the footage. If its two thirds shot already, that suggests reshoots are coming.
If Superman 2 is anything to go by, anyway.
Reshoots were actually booked into the shooting schedule as 5 weeks before filming even started. Possible it may be extended.
It is interesting to speculate on how a Howard/Kasdan Director/Writer team would have been received at the outset. Impressive line-up, but it does suggest 'yet more of the same', a flaw TFA and R1 share, instead of the different tone that we might have expected from the Lego Movie/21 Jump St guys. I'm imagining that we were looking at something lighter and perhaps even spoofier in their approach, and I'm assuming that Kennedy didn't want that for her Han Solo flick. As a genuine pro Howard may well be tasked with stamping out a lot of that sensibility by means of what remains of the shoot.
All this begs the question: what are these 'Anthology' films for, if not to try new things (as well as what the rationale for hiring Lord and Miller was). With the extrnsive R1 reshoots and major additions in mind, it looks like there might be a far stronger focus on making the off-year films fit the overall 'saga' template than had at first been indicated.
I think they just bottled it late in the day. SW is powered only by nostalgia at this stage and they're afraid of gambling on something that colours too far outside the lines. MOR retreads of what we know ala TFA, that's the ticket until something bombs and they're forced to take chances.
Quote from: SIP on 14 July, 2017, 09:04:28 AM
Reshoots were actually booked into the shooting schedule as 5 weeks before filming even started. Possible it may be extended.
Additional shooting is always locked into a schedule but this apparently involves a lot of reshooting scenes rather than extra pick-ups. The story goes that when they looked at the scenes in isolation they worked great but when assembled as a film block didn't hang together, so I guess the reshoots will be for an extended period.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 14 July, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
I think they just bottled it late in the day. SW is powered only by nostalgia at this stage and they're afraid of gambling on something that colours too far outside the lines. MOR retreads of what we know ala TFA, that's the ticket until something bombs and they're forced to take chances.
All too true. While I was surprised by how much I enjoyed TFA, and can appreciate R1 for what it is rather than what I wanted it to be, I'm still desperately hungry for something new. Yet when I look at the TLJ vehicle and costume designs revealed in the Lego catalogue, I can feel my eyelids dropping already. At least George reinvented the look with each of the first 5 movies.
"I think you're right - I'm not thinking stupid enough" :
https://youtu.be/kjEd3DpH_e0
There is no guarantee the Han Solo movie will be terrible (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKDfUmZG1RM&t).
Quote from: Frank on 20 July, 2017, 10:56:49 AM
"I think you're right - I'm not thinking stupid enough" :
https://youtu.be/kjEd3DpH_e0
Yeah, that had me crying with laughter (and possibly a hint of despair) - one of RLM's best.
On the other hand I didn't think Jenny's version was as good as she can be.
Ron Howard seems to constitute the entirety of the Han Solo PR team, and while I like his style, the hints still don't exactly inspire. Most recent: [spoiler] looks like the [spoiler]spice mines of Kessel (https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/910629203665702912)are definitely going to feature, in addition to the [spoiler]eponymous run[/spoiler][/spoiler]. -sigh-
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 September, 2017, 12:55:52 AM
the hints still don't exactly inspire. Most recent: [spoiler] looks like the [spoiler]spice mines of Kessel (https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/910629203665702912)are definitely going to feature, in addition to the [spoiler]eponymous run[/spoiler][/spoiler]. -sigh-
I'll see your
-sigh- and raise you a
FFS. Interest definitely waning...
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 21 September, 2017, 07:06:09 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 September, 2017, 12:55:52 AM
the hints still don't exactly inspire. Most recent: [spoiler] looks like the [spoiler]spice mines of Kessel (https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/910629203665702912)are definitely going to feature, in addition to the [spoiler]eponymous run[/spoiler][/spoiler]. -sigh-
I'll see your -sigh- and raise you a FFS. Interest definitely waning...
Has anyone involved in the film yet used the phrase "We'll finally get to see..." in reference to this? As though none of us have been able to enjoy the original films because we haven't seen every second of every character's lives.
It's only a matter of time.
(whispers) and yet, you lot loved Rogue One (ducks).
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 September, 2017, 12:55:52 AM
Ron Howard seems to constitute the entirety of the Han Solo PR team, and while I like his style, the hints still don't exactly inspire. Most recent: [spoiler] looks like the [spoiler]spice mines of Kessel (https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/910629203665702912)are definitely going to feature, in addition to the [spoiler]eponymous run[/spoiler][/spoiler]. -sigh-
Yeah I saw this too. This film is basically going to consist of:
[spoiler]Han and Chewie meeting[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Spice Mines/Kessel run in 12 parsecs[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Han winning the Falcon from Lando[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Dumping the cargo, getting raided by the Empire, starting the vendetta with Jabba[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Jabba the Hutt/Boba Fett/Greedo/Darth bloody Vader cameos[/spoiler]
and also probably:
Han getting involved in some huge space battles/saving the galaxy etc despite the fact that he's supposed to be a bit of a self-interested, loudmouthed nobody when we meet him in the original movie - because you just know that as with Rogue One, Lucasfilm won't have the confidence to tell a low-key, smaller scale story that isn't packed with cameos and is largely unrelated to the original trilogy.
Oh, and
all of these events are going to play out over the condensed timeframe of a few days within the movie.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
You know, those little throwaway lines of dialogue from the original trilogy - the 'clone wars', 'kessel run' etc etc - they're just there to provide a bit of flavour and fire the imagination of the viewer - to hint at a much larger canvas than the events we can see on screen. To take every single one of those little lines and depict them in
the most literal fashion completely robs them of this, and makes the universe of Star Wars seem so tiny and humdrum. Not to mention it's incredibly lazy and unimaginative. This kind of thing is precisely what I hated about the old 'Extended Universe' stuff.
If Disney want Star Wars to run for the
next 40 years, sooner or later they're going to actually have to start inventing more of this stuff, not just strip-mining the original trilogy for every last morsel of backstory.
Count me out.
Radiator, if you ever wanna run for Tzar, I'm yer Rasputin.
Disney don't understand Star Wars, that's why the last two movies flopped.
I applaud your eloquent manifesto Radiator, but I cant subscribe to yiur newsletter. I too yearn for novelty in SW movies, and think Young Han Solo is an appalling choice of subject, but the most recent two flicks have been way better than I feared - I enjoyed them despite their flaws.
I want a Jabba The Hutt weight-loss DVD.
The familiar tends to sell better than the ambiguous, so Disney doesn't want to stretch the envelope with anything that the dumbest Five-year-old can't contemplate. Believable plot, morally challenged characters that are driven by understandable goals well that can all get lost in the CGI explosions far as they're concerned.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 22 September, 2017, 11:34:50 AM
The familiar tends to sell better than the ambiguous, so Disney doesn't want to stretch the envelope with anything that the dumbest Five-year-old can't contemplate. Believable plot, morally challenged characters that are driven by understandable goals well that can all get lost in the CGI explosions far as they're concerned.
Cool. Bring it on.
I understand why the main franchise movies like The Last Jedi need to be huge spectacle movies (and as such need to play it relatively safe), but it's a shame that Disney apparently feel the need to make every one of these spin off films a $200m blockbuster too. If they set the budget for them much lower, they could be much more free to experiment, and they'd still be guaranteed to turn a profit. You could do a great Han Solo or Boba Fett spin off if you kept it self-contained and really simple - make it a space Western type movie confined to a handful of locations. With a good script you wouldn't need to rely on excessive cgi spectacle.
Even better, use the spin-offs to establish brand new characters (crazy idea I know).
Quote from: radiator on 22 September, 2017, 06:26:10 PM
I understand why the main franchise movies like The Last Jedi need to be huge spectacle movies (and as such need to play it relatively safe), but it's a shame that Disney apparently feel the need to make every one of these spin off films a $200m blockbuster too. If they set the budget for them much lower, they could be much more free to experiment, and they'd still be guaranteed to turn a profit. You could do a great Han Solo or Boba Fett spin off if you kept it self-contained and really simple - make it a space Western type movie confined to a handful of locations. With a good script you wouldn't need to rely on excessive cgi spectacle.
Even better, use the spin-offs to establish brand new characters (crazy idea I know).
I confess that those angles were my hope for the 'off year' movies, and if the creative histories of R1 and Untitled Han Solo Project are anything to go by that may well have been the original plan. It's clear that R1 was headed in a different direction early on, and Lord and Miller seem to have headed off on an unexpected tangent too.
The urge to shove as much of your extremely costly IP up on the screen is an understandable one, but maybe, just maybe, once these first 5 are done we'll get something more original.
I was always frustrated that the 'mini-rigs' Star Wars toys weren't actually vehicles from the films. I think they should make a film with them all in.
Quote from: radiator on 22 September, 2017, 06:26:10 PM
If they set the budget for them much lower, they could be much more free to experiment
There's no money in mid-budget movies. I can't be arsed googling up articles, but it's been a noticeable much-commented-on trend that, in the last decade, no-budget (<$1M) films which enjoy moderate success will provide a return on investment, and big budget (>$100M)
can provide a decent ROI, but the mid-range (~$50M) films almost never make money. See:
Dredd.
It would really screw with audience expectation to have a mid-budget Star Wars film.
I'm surprised how expensive Logan was (relatively) though.
I don't mean it felt cheap, but it feels more like a film that would have cost $50m rather than twice that - a smaller scale Dredd type film.
Quote from: Steve Green on 22 September, 2017, 07:08:21 PM
It would really screw with audience expectation to have a mid-budget Star Wars film.
I'm surprised how expensive Logan was (relatively) though.
I don't mean it felt cheap, but it feels more like a film that would have cost $50m rather than twice that - a smaller scale Dredd type film.
Maybe the Obi Wan movie will be lower budget? To be honest I can't see how it would work having an Obi Wan movie between ROTS & ANH as he was supopsed to be in hiding. But something along the lines of Yojimbo would suit the character.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2017, 06:51:56 PM
Quote from: radiator on 22 September, 2017, 06:26:10 PM
If they set the budget for them much lower, they could be much more free to experiment
There's no money in mid-budget movies. I can't be arsed googling up articles, but it's been a noticeable much-commented-on trend that, in the last decade, no-budget (<$1M) films which enjoy moderate success will provide a return on investment, and big budget (>$100M) can provide a decent ROI, but the mid-range (~$50M) films almost never make money. See: Dredd.
Deadpool, American Sniper and IT prove otherwise (that's just off the top of my head) but it just goes to show how unpredictable audience engagement and box office is.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 22 September, 2017, 07:39:23 PM
Deadpool, American Sniper and IT prove otherwise (that's just off the top of my head) but it just goes to show how unpredictable audience engagement and box office is.
The noteworthy point is that these are exceptions. Once upon a time, studios' business lived in the mid-budget, with the low-budget surprise hit and mega-budget blockbuster both being the outliers but now the reverse is true.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 22 September, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 22 September, 2017, 07:39:23 PM
Deadpool, American Sniper and IT prove otherwise
The noteworthy point is that these are exceptions.
The most noteworthy point is this is
Star Wars – the most exceptional brand of all – but in this case it's more about the scale of profit rather than no profit.
I've little doubt a smaller scaled $50 million Star Wars film would make money but at this point Lucasfilm would rather spend 3-5 times that amount on one, more spectacle driven film with the chance to reach a billion+, than several smaller films that would take longer to make and release, then wouldn't amount to as much success when combined.
They're better-off sending their smaller scale stories to VOD where the marketing/distribution spend is lower.
QuoteIt would really screw with audience expectation to have a mid-budget Star Wars film.
Thing is, the average punter doesn't have a clue about movie budgets - it's not as if you'd have to market it as such, and there's no need for a low or midrange budget movie to look cheap in this day and age - I'm just saying that maybe not every single blockbuster needs to end with a 45 minute cacophony of cgi excess?
My point is that (in my opinion) Disney didn't seem to have a lot of confidence in Rogue One, and that's why they threw a huge amount of money at it, adding the huge space battle, the weird cgi cameos and the Darth Vader stuff at the end that clearly cost a fortune, yet added nothing to the story the film was telling.
Quote
I'm surprised how expensive Logan was (relatively) though.
I don't mean it felt cheap, but it feels more like a film that would have cost $50m rather than twice that - a smaller scale Dredd type film.
Maybe I'm alone in this, but I thought Logan could have lost a lost of the expensive looking vfx-heavy stuff ([spoiler]the de-aged Logan villain, the big mutant battle at the end[/spoiler]) and it wouldn't have suffered one bit, either quality or box office-wise - In actual fact I think it would have
improved the film, which started to feel quite bloated to me at the end, again, perhaps because Fox didn't quite have the confidence to end an X Men film without an [spoiler] extended mutant powers smackdown extravaganza[/spoiler].
QuoteI confess that those angles were my hope for the 'off year' movies, and if the creative histories of R1 and Untitled Han Solo Project are anything to go by that may well have been the original plan. It's clear that R1 was headed in a different direction early on, and Lord and Miller seem to have headed off on an unexpected tangent too.
Yeah, it seems like Disney have really got cold feet on the whole 'hiring young up and coming directors and experimenting with genres' thing.
Not sure about that, I certainly remember some comments on Dredd and budget.
Quote from: radiator on 22 September, 2017, 09:59:06 PM
QuoteIt would really screw with audience expectation to have a mid-budget Star Wars film.
Thing is, the average punter doesn't have a clue about movie budgets - it's not as if you'd have to market it as such, and there's no need for a low or midrange budget movie to look cheap in this day and age - I'm just saying that maybe not every single blockbuster needs to end with a 45 minute cacophony of cgi excess?
It's nearly always clear in a trailer how 'expensive' or 'big' a film looks – even at a sub-conscious level it registers with the audience – unless you have an expensive cast, which can amount to the same thing.
Quotemaybe, just maybe, once these first 5 are done we'll get something more original.
Like an Obi Wan movie, you mean?
I can't be the only one who rolled their eyes at that announcement, right?
Quote from: radiator on 23 September, 2017, 01:36:13 AM
Quotemaybe, just maybe, once these first 5 are done we'll get something more original.
Like an Obi Wan movie, you mean?
I can't be the only one who rolled their eyes at that announcement, right?
No indeed, you were not alone there. But an Obi-Wan movie
could be good, in that McGregor is a decent actor, the character is pretty versatile (as the Clone Wars series showed), and the canvas is pretty blank. Much as Tatooine bores me to death (even before the Prequels I was sick of it), with a different tone you could do something interesting and low key with moisture farmers, Jedi refugees, sand people, desert and (probably) slug-gangsters.
Of course your unspoken suspicions are unfortunately correct, and Obi-Wan will be whipped away from all that in the first act for a space adventure where he saves the future of the galaxy by blowing shit up. But we can hope.
Ron Howard is a big teaser to tweet this;
#tagandbink?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMHnwZLX0AINw-U.jpg)
Unexpected title shock (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-title-revealed-1015937):
(https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/zAwYm4Iye5u1z13h8nmUAWWeURI=/950x534/filters:quality(90)/https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fuploads%2Fcard%2Fimage%2F623902%2F3fb3fd35-4ffa-482b-8088-81b5be7c580c.png)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 October, 2017, 05:28:40 PM
Unexpected title shock (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-han-solo-movie-title-revealed-1015937):
(https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/zAwYm4Iye5u1z13h8nmUAWWeURI=/950x534/filters:quality(90)/https%3A%2F%2Fblueprint-api-production.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fuploads%2Fcard%2Fimage%2F623902%2F3fb3fd35-4ffa-482b-8088-81b5be7c580c.png)
The final instalment of the trilogy:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Solo-Poster.jpg)
(http://images.esellerpro.com/2661/I/136/637/av3019.jpg)
Well they certainly kept us, uh, guessing.
I'll get my wish
Someday
CRUMB – A Star Wars Story
(http://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2015/02/Salacious-Crumb1.png)
(https://scontent.flhr3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22450068_1654932934550587_6808714463838359228_n.jpg?oh=9b9fe3b4323967a21a3310a6f3c7f98f&oe=5A66FC4D)
At least they have a name already sorted for the sequel.
It's got blue stripes.
(https://s17.postimg.org/k75y2uojj/IMG_20171227_122902.jpg)
(https://s18.postimg.org/iiel1zdbt/IMG_20171227_125515.jpg)
Anyone notice brand new Falcon...? :o
Quote from: Goaty on 27 December, 2017, 06:25:20 PM
Anyone notice brand new Falcon...? :o
Ah. So we find out how the bit in the middle of the front section fell off. Can't speak for anyone else, but that's the question I've been waiting forty years for an answer to.
The years were not kind to Han and Lando, but seriously, what's Chewie's secret?
Quote from: Professor Bear on 27 December, 2017, 07:59:04 PM
The years were not kind to Han and Lando, but seriously, what's Chewie's secret?
L'Oréal. He's worth it.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 December, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
L'Oréal. He's worth it.
(http://oddstuffmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Loreal-Funny-Chewbacca.jpg)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 December, 2017, 06:42:57 PM
Ah. So we find out how the bit in the middle of the front section fell off. Can't speak for anyone else, but that's the question I've been waiting forty years for an answer to.
My prediction is it gets taken off to bring the weight down and go faster. Perhaps in particular to make the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs?
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 December, 2017, 06:42:57 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 27 December, 2017, 06:25:20 PM
Anyone notice brand new Falcon...? :o
Ah. So we find out how the bit in the middle of the front section fell off. Can't speak for anyone else, but that's the question I've been waiting forty years for an answer to.
Hopefully it's related to the cargo-pusher idea, which I've always liked.
Despite being in a very Star Wars-positive frame of mind after TLJ, I can't muster a jot of interest in this. Lando looks so wrong it's a wee bit painful. But obviously I'll wait and see.
Quote from: GrudgeJohnDeed on 27 December, 2017, 08:36:06 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 December, 2017, 06:42:57 PM
Ah. So we find out how the bit in the middle of the front section fell off. Can't speak for anyone else, but that's the question I've been waiting forty years for an answer to.
My prediction is it gets taken off to bring the weight down and go faster. Perhaps in particular to make the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs?
It's like those false bits where the stereo should be in a new car.
It's cargo.
Jabba the Hutt: Han, I can't make exceptions. What if everyone who smuggled for me dropped their cargo at the first sign of an Imperial starship? It's not good for business.
That makes sense, I cant remember a proper cargo bay in the falcon. I thought they probably hid it under the floorboards :D
Time for a classic newspaper headline? ;)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/03/AR2007050300374.html
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 27 December, 2017, 06:42:57 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 27 December, 2017, 06:25:20 PM
Anyone notice brand new Falcon...? :o
Ah. So we find out how the bit in the middle of the front section fell off. Can't speak for anyone else, but that's the question I've been waiting forty years for an answer to.
Not convinced, where would the F-LER (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Freight-loading_external_rover) go?
Quite a lot of worry at Disney over this Solo Film. The Mouse flunkies think it stinks despite the effort of Ron Howard. Allegations have circled that the lead actor can't act and the story doesn't make sense, but I can forgive the odd dead plot point over a film with an 8-foot Wookie in it.
So how exactly does that differ from 'A New Hope' then?
Solo: A Star Wars Story "Big Game" TV Spot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o)
Better version!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=9Szts88zY4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=9Szts88zY4o)
Love it! And I like that Star Destroyer in the storm.
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 12:04:10 AM
Better version!
Same link as I posted but yours has a time stamp which starts the trailer several seconds in.
And blur start...?
Looks great! Hype train here I come!
Okay.....now I'm excited! :D
And apparently an even longer trailer coming later today following its broadcast on Good Morning America! So should be available to stream early afternoon.
Meh. Still can't get over TLJ. And that looks like a rehash of Rogue One
Quote from: SIP on 05 February, 2018, 06:44:00 AM
Okay.....now I'm excited! :D
I think we should just agree to have the opposite view on all new SW films going forward. Think of the time we'd save! ;)
Do I spy a fight on the roof of a train (even a
space train), is this what it's come to... I'm also starting to think CGI Ford may have been the way to go, if we're going to have sultry glances to camera.
But look, not enough to go on beyond Lando's Rura Penthe pimp coat, I'll hold off on the criticisms until I see more.
Holy sweet jeebus, I thought I was jumping the gun with the negativity: the YouTube comments (I KNOW) are already half full of attacks on the inclusion of A Woman (Emilia Clarke) in the trailer. Apparently we don't need another woman because we know Han ends up with Leia and a potential life-mate is the only possible reason that a woman would be involved in what is, after all, a man's story: unless the SJWs got to Disney again. If only that was the sole problem with this project.
Hmmm, I wonder do these warriors of wankland know that both Han Solo trilogies have a woman at the heart of their plots (especially the Crispin one).
I think I may have to go and jump up and down on something breakable, and then block YouTube on all my devices.
Quote from: TordelBack on 05 February, 2018, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: SIP on 05 February, 2018, 06:44:00 AM
Okay.....now I'm excited! :D
I think we should just agree to have the opposite view on all new SW films going forward. Think of the time we'd save! ;)
Ha ha, possibly true TB.......but the fact is, I'm excited by EVERY Star Wars film trailer. Recently the disappointment has set in only after ive seen them.
But I appreciate the comments here saying it'll be a box ticking exercise. The sad truth is, that's what I want. I want a nice comfortable thing with a few thrills and a warm fuzzy ending. That's where I am in my life right now.
No alarms and no surprises please.
AAAAAAAAGH even after reading Tordelback's post I still had a quick scroll at the comments. I should not have looked. I did find it very amusing that the anti-women brigade like to accuse anyone who responds of being 'triggered' when they're the ones throwing childish tantrums because of a 2 second shot in a movie trailer. Cretins.
Trailer looks great though! That's the last one I'll watch though, managed to skip pretty much all the trailers for the recent SW movies and am really enjoying going in cold without any of that expectation or hype. Fingers crossed this'll be another good one, Disney are batting 3 for 3 so far in my eyes.
OK, so this longer one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=68&v=dNW0B0HsvVs) is self-evidently much better. Do wish they could have found a more interesting design for Han's speeder, though. I suppose it would have a certain functional cool, if I didn't know it was actually exactly what it looks like: a real car with the wheels CGI'd out...
Bring back the elephants with rugs draped over them, I say.
TB.......I'm STILL excited! :lol:
Oh, that looks like a hoot and a half!
Teaser trailer
https://youtu.be/dNW0B0HsvVs (https://youtu.be/dNW0B0HsvVs)
The comments are hilarious. My favourite is "Apart from the visuals and music cues that looks nothing like Star Wars."
http://collider.com/solo-posters-han-solo-movie/#han-alden-ehrenreich
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVRrWygX0AEGIYR.jpg)
God those posters are great ... and... and they're... oh god... they're ... painted
*sobs*
-pj
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 05 February, 2018, 02:31:18 PM
The comments are hilarious. My favourite is "Apart from the visuals and music cues that looks nothing like Star Wars."
I think I have even more contempt for the prefrontal-leucotomy gang who parrot Red Letter Media's catchphrases in ALL-CAPS without displaying an iota of understanding of the thought that went into those valid criticisms of the Disney era movies.
After a few viewings with the sound way up, I
still think this was a bad idea from the get-go, but I now have to admit an interest (if not in Han himself) in Lando and his EU-appropriate droid co-pilot, Woody's mentor character, the girl with the 'fro and the big gun, and the general idea of a SW heist movie that this trailer seems to be selling. I'd
like to be interested in Emilia Clarke's character, but I still have her pretty woeful Sarah Connor in my head (still not close to being the worst thing in that movie, mind).
If I'd had one request of this trailer, it would have been to leave the Star Destroyer and TIE Fighters in the background, and leaving the antagonists as hailing from the scum-and-villainy end of the spectrum, but I suppose that was never going to happen.
Posters are the bonafide shizzle.
Looks fun.
That's all I ask.
There's also somebody moaning that the Millenium Falcon interiors are too clean and white. :)
There better not be any Jedis in this.
Quote from: TordelBack on 05 February, 2018, 05:32:55 PM
the girl with the 'fro and the big gun
That'd be
Thandie Newton.
(https://www.starwars-union.de/bilder/news_2017/20171102-thandie-newton.jpg)
Lawks, I didn't recognise her at all. Is she ever planning on ageing? Cheers, Joe!
If I have to read "he looks nothing like Harrison Ford!" one more time... HE'S NOT PLAYING HARRISON FORD. And even if he was, it's called "acting" not "look-a-liking". 'Cos Ewan McGregor and Alec Guinness were fecking twins, obviously.
Quote from: I, Cosh on 05 February, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
There better not be any Jedis in this.
Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field controls my destiny! It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
Chewie looks like he's between spurts and Alden Ehrenreich and Donald Glover are noticeably shorter men than their older counterparts, so the only question I have is, how old are Han & Lando supposed to be in this: 15, 16?
This one is gonna and run
how old are Han & Lando supposed to be in this
old enough to enlist
as pilot with empire
You must:
Be between the ages of 17-27. *
Have no more than two dependents.
Pass the Armed Services Vocational Aptitude test. (Minimum AFQT Score: 50) https://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/join-the-military-basic-eligibility.html
Quote from: Big_Dave on 05 February, 2018, 07:26:12 PM
how old are Han & Lando supposed to be in this
old enough to enlist
as pilot with empire
You must:
Be between the ages of 17-27. *
Han could be lying while sitting on Lando's shoulders wearing a big hat and coat.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2018, 07:29:17 PM
Han could be lying while sitting on Lando's shoulders wearing a big hat and coat.
Would that it twurrrr so!
Unless they hang around with any normal-sized old characters for direct comparison (Chewie and Vader don't count), does it really matter what height they are? I'm assuming we're looking at early-mid-20s for Solo and maybe late-20s for Lando, so both actors playing maybe 5 years younger than they actually are. That still places the characters 5-10 years younger than the actors who originally played them.
Quote from: TordelBack on 05 February, 2018, 07:39:16 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 05 February, 2018, 07:29:17 PM
Han could be lying while sitting on Lando's shoulders wearing a big hat and coat.
Unless they hang around with any normal-sized old characters for direct comparison (Chewie and Vader don't count), does it really matter what height they are?
Only mention it because it was something that popped-out at me in the first scene with the recruitment officer and the oversized coat. It doesn't really matter because the main cast are all relatively short but I'm also taking it that they purposely wanted a more YA SOLO
– as in over a decade before A New Hope – because there's enough leg room for a much younger scoundrel no one has ever seen. All the film needs to be is a good romp.
(https://i.imgur.com/2KSK3xA.png)
"He'll definitely be probably in the high teens, low 20s," Kennedy says. "We're not introducing you to a 10-year-old Han Solo."http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/13/star-wars-anthology-young-han-solo/2/
hobbit solo
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Quote from: Tjm86 on 05 February, 2018, 07:13:57 PM
Quote from: I, Cosh on 05 February, 2018, 06:33:36 PM
There better not be any Jedis in this.
Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field controls my destiny! It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
To be fair, he didn't say he hadn't encountered Jedi, just that he didn't believe the Force was geniuine.
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Not that one they just saw. They want the one in their heads. It's brilliant. But when they try to explain it, it comes out pish.
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
The final entry in the Ewoks trilogy.
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
It's a damned good question. I had gathered from post-TFA whining that true fans wanted something really
dark (they always do), but obviously not as dark as a depressed Luke, or even a [spoiler]dead Luke, or a devastated Resistance[/spoiler]. I also understood that they wanted a new type of Grey Jedi, but clearly not ones that had abstained from the struggle of good and evil, or practised new Force powers not previously seen.
So I think the answer is 'new stuff, as long as it's exactly the same as the old stuff, but not too like the old stuff'.
If these movies didn't take well over a billion, you'd swear making them would be just too much grief.
Quote from: TordelBack on 05 February, 2018, 10:46:09 PM
So I think the answer is 'new stuff, as long as it's exactly the same as the old stuff, but not too like the old stuff'.
Like this?
(https://i1.wp.com/bestfunny.photos/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/real-star-wars-fans.jpg?ssl=1)
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Personally, I just want some light hearted space adventures with a heavy emphasis on "fun", with next to zero "grim".
You know those early Marvel Star Wars comics? That kind of adventurous silliness. And a big old happy ending so I can skip out of the cinema with a smile.
I go elsewhere for grim and gritty.
The Han Solo movie may actually tick this box.
Ps. I know this is entirely contradicted by my liking of episode 3......but the end of that film had effectively been written 22-28 years previously, so I was good.
I mentioned on FB that the "box ticking part of this won't bother me. Sure I know all of the Han/Chewie/Lando/Falcon references but for most of the audience "I won her fair and square" and "Kessel run" are throwaway lines in movies they've seen and enjoyed a couple of times. They haven't read EU stuff that mentions how Han saved Chewie. (Am I right that this isn't referenced in any movies?)
Hell, half of the audience still think he's called HANS.
So if they join those dots in a fun fashion for most people, and as I note above the talent they have on board is certainly capable of that, I can live with that.
Coming at this as someone who's not a huge Star Wars nut – but who's nonetheless watched every film – I can't say this trailer did anything for me. It feels like something we'll likely catch on rental, but it felt kind of nothingy (although not nearly to the same extent as the astonishingly dull Jurassic World trailer).
I suppose one thing I dislike about Star Wars in general is its tendency to create and then remove mystery. This happens across a lot of media, and it's vanishingly rare for whatever was in your head to be bettered when it's all explained. Mignola's a master of that. Things just happen in Hellboy, or you have references that are made repeatedly, but you're never shown. In 2000 AD, we had a lot of that with Indigo Prime and Devlin Waugh, and in the latter case I'm not sure we've benefitted from seeing the resolution to one long-teased element of the lead's world.
With Han Solo, I liked that the stories were just stories. I hope this isn't just an exercise in seeing all the things we've heard about. That said, Rogue One was – to my mind – broadly successful in delivering a 'fill in' story, so perhaps this will manage the same. (And Lando looks to be very well cast here.)
Both the Jurassic World 2 trailers are deathly dull - and I really enjoyed the first one, as well as having mild platonic crushes on both Chris Pratt and Bryce Howard.
TBH I have no serious problem with the projected box-ticking, my core problem is that Han Solo's story seems complete to me*. Did we ever need to know anything more than that he was a cynical self-regarding scoundrel,maverick pilot, smuggler and swindler, until he found friends, love and a larger purpose? So what I want from the movie, insofar as I want it at all, is a decent fresh fun plot within which the box-ticking (and maybe even the character development?) is incidental. Will I get it?
*And that a great deal of the character's appeal is tied up with Ford's stunning screen charisma.
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 February, 2018, 11:53:38 AM
Did we ever need to know anything more than that he was a cynical self-regarding scoundrel,maverick pilot, smuggler and swindler, until he found friends, love and a larger purpose?
........and then went right back to being a cynical self-regarding scoundrel, maverick pilot, smuggler and swindler.....in a "what if?" film I saw once.....
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 February, 2018, 11:53:38 AM
until he found friends, love and a larger purpose?
misread as 'until he found friends, love and a lager purpose' which would have been motivation enough
Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 February, 2018, 12:07:12 PM
'until he found friends, love and a larger porpoise'
Now we've got ourselves a story!
But sadly he not Harrison Ford.
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Quote from: Proudhuff on 06 February, 2018, 12:07:12 PM
'until he found friends, love and a larger porpoise'
Now we've got ourselves a story!
Didn't Spurrier already do that one?
Quote from: SIP on 06 February, 2018, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 February, 2018, 11:53:38 AM
Did we ever need to know anything more than that he was a cynical self-regarding scoundrel,maverick pilot, smuggler and swindler, until he found friends, love and a larger purpose?
........and then went right back to being a cynical self-regarding scoundrel, maverick pilot, smuggler and swindler.....in a "what if?" film I saw once.....
Heh! I think having his family disintegrate when his son turned into a mass-murderer and started worshipping the man who committed genocide against his wife's people and tortured him/froze him as an experiment, and then having his pal/brother-in-law vanish, probably caused a degree of emotional backsliding. Going back to the only thing he (thought he) was ever any good at seems like a plausible reaction to me. But note that once a Rey of hope (
geddit) appeared he pulled on his big-boy pants and got right back in the saddle.
Star Wars trailers rarely excite me, and I always love the eventual movies. The trailers seem to know they don't really need to do anything more than show you it's a Star Wars movie, and in that regard it's nice that they don't really give away much else (granted, after the first reveal trailers I don't bother to watch any more until the movies come out. I've only watched the initial teaser for Solo and probably won't watch another).
The trailers for The Force Awakens, Rogue One and The Last Jedi all left me curiously cold, but I love all three of those movies pretty damn hard.
So basically, I'm on board, regardless of any trailers.
Quote from: Goaty on 06 February, 2018, 12:16:12 PM
But sadly he not Harrison Ford.
Sad in what way? Do you mean you'd have preferred an 'old Han' film or that they did some CGI youngification or just that they didn't make the film at all?
This isn't the first time a Ford character has been played by a younger man - remember The Young Indiana Jones? Some of those were pretty good.
Quote from: JamesC on 06 February, 2018, 03:12:37 PM
This isn't the first time a Ford character has been played by a younger man - remember The Young Indiana Jones? Some of those were pretty good.
They're perfectly fine as quasi-educational* historical adventures (Sean Patrick Flannery had a certain
Tom Sawyer charm), but as
Indiana Jones movies... well, they're not, are they?
*Sometimes the twin aims sat uneasily together: for example, the attempt to introduce some dangerous adventure elements into a visit to Nikos 'Last Temptation of Christ' Kazantzakis involved getting the Henrys getting stuck in a dodgy lift.
Well they're not on the scale of the films but as the adventures of a younger version of the character I thought they were decent pulpy fun (as I'm fully expecting Solo to be). I quite liked that he wasn't just a shorter, younger Indy, he actually seemed like a youngster that had a good few years to go before becoming the fully formed Indy we know.
I'm pretty excited about it all, that second trailer has certainly done its job for me. I like that young Han appears really cocky and the look of Lando seems perfect. The end of the trailer where Han says "It's fine! We're fine!" before it all goes to shit is proper Kasdan Han Solo.
I didn't think I wanted a Solo movie, but it looks like I do!
Quote from: Pete Wells on 06 February, 2018, 06:50:56 PM
. The end of the trailer where Han says "It's fine! We're fine!" before it all goes to shit is proper Kasdan Han Solo.
By far and away my favourite bit, spot on to the point of engendering optimism. Well, that and Lando and the droid gesturing in sync. Although as the droid is allegedly Phoebe Waller-Bridge's character, I'm already anticipating the anti-gynoid backlash.
The trailer has actually made me less excited to see this. Which is a first for a Star Wars film for me.
Even so, I will still go to see this in the cinema. Star Wars remains a must see in the cinema for me and I can't see that changing any time soon.
Indeed it is the only film series that applies to for me
(obviously if we were ever to get another Dredd or a 2000AD film that would apply as well, but I'm Not expecting that to happen).
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Guardians of the Galaxy.
Quote from: Misanthrope on 06 February, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Guardians of the Galaxy.
But only the first one, before Disney (I presume) ruined the franchise, the money-grabbing bastards.
Quote from: Misanthrope on 06 February, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Guardians of the Galaxy.
Yup.....light hearted (mostly), fun, adventure, happy ending......this please.
I like the notion that the Empire helped train one of its greatest opponents.Interesting if unremarkable Trailer.
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Quote from: Misanthrope on 06 February, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Guardians of the Galaxy.
Yup.....light hearted (mostly), fun, adventure, happy ending......this please.
As long as it's not GOTG 2, that was rubbish.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 07 February, 2018, 10:32:36 AM
Quote from: SIP on 07 February, 2018, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: Misanthrope on 06 February, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Guardians of the Galaxy.
Yup.....light hearted (mostly), fun, adventure, happy ending......this please.
As long as it's not GOTG 2, that was rubbish.
I disagree.
Sorry if I miss the fact, do we know how many years from Solo film to A New Hope? 10 years? Just curious as Millennium Falcon looks brand new in the trailer.
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 07 February, 2018, 11:04:07 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 07 February, 2018, 10:32:36 AM
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Quote from: Misanthrope on 06 February, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 05 February, 2018, 09:42:09 PM
I am curious to know what Star Wars films that die-hard fans really want?
Guardians of the Galaxy.
Yup.....light hearted (mostly), fun, adventure, happy ending......this please.
As long as it's not GOTG 2, that was rubbish.
I disagree.
Me too. Watched it again the other night, and aside from the ending being too drawn out, and maybe Yondu's OTT slaughter of the mutineers, I thought it was great fun.
Quote from: Goaty on 07 February, 2018, 04:22:52 PM
Sorry if I miss the fact, do we know how many years from Solo film to A New Hope? 10 years? Just curious as Millennium Falcon looks brand new in the trailer.
I assume 10, but I don't think I've heard anything official. Rather than the Falcon being brand new, I'd think 'pimped' might be more the idea.
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 February, 2018, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 07 February, 2018, 04:22:52 PM
Sorry if I miss the fact, do we know how many years from Solo film to A New Hope? 10 years? Just curious as Millennium Falcon looks brand new in the trailer.
I assume 10, but I don't think I've heard anything official. Rather than the Falcon being brand new, I'd think 'pimped' might be more the idea.
Ahh just cos I notice this;
(https://i.imgur.com/PJeGDwol.jpg)
:o Wowzers! So Han's "special modifications" were essentially wrecking the place. I think he owes Ducain and the Irving Boys an apology. Putting a compressor on the hyperdrive ignition seems mild by comparison.
Also;
(https://i.imgur.com/RtMAyWpl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mhZG65Tl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0v944YCl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YRh47ZFl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RiJqIFTl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mcVfkgHl.jpg)
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 February, 2018, 05:25:15 PM
:o Wowzers! So Han's "special modifications" were essentially wrecking the place.
That's 15 years of Han & Chewie schmokin' like spacetrains and leaving the percolator on all night.
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-11/26/16/tmp/webdr07/anigif_385d52a9164d4a27c1e102beb5c65181-17.gif)
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 07 February, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
I like the notion that the Empire helped train one of its greatest opponents.Interesting if unremarkable Trailer.
A superpower training people who end up rebelling against them and who become generals and leaders in the ranks of their enemies? It'd never happen in the real world!
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/artist-claims-han-solo-movie-posters-plagiarize-hi/1100-6457159/ (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/artist-claims-han-solo-movie-posters-plagiarize-hi/1100-6457159/)
Quite a bit more controversy on the horizon.
It's almost like there's a race to get this sucker into theaters before there's a silver bullet bad news story that sinks it, like someone in the cast marrying a 12 year old or shooting a cop.
Quote from: Tinmachine on 06 March, 2018, 11:33:43 AM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/artist-claims-han-solo-movie-posters-plagiarize-hi/1100-6457159/ (https://www.gamespot.com/articles/artist-claims-han-solo-movie-posters-plagiarize-hi/1100-6457159/)
Quite a bit more controversy on the horizon.
It's a lazy bit of style-copying from a company with more money than a Tory cabinet, but I'm not sure it's actual plagiarism. I'd certainly be throwing my hat in the ring if I was the original designer, but equally I wouldn't be very optimistic.
The undue haste with which Solo is being introduced to society does seem a bit odd, given its troubled producrion, and what with filming on Episode IX not even begun.
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 March, 2018, 01:59:26 PMIt's a lazy bit of style-copying from a company with more money than a Tory cabinet
An outside vendor supplied the poster design.
http://www.impawards.com/designers/blt_and_associates.html
This kind of thing is standard practice in the advertising/marketing industry, sad to say. Why come up with your own idea if you can just rip off someone elses?
Back in the day a guy who went to my uni uploaded one of his video projects to Youtube and it became one of the first big viral hits on the site. Within about six months a commercial for a food brand ripped off his idea completely. What was funny was the a commercial was nowhere near as well-executed and was such a watered down, crappy version of the original idea.
Quote from: radiator on 07 March, 2018, 01:23:28 AM
This kind of thing is standard practice in the advertising/marketing industry, sad to say. Why come up with your own idea if you can just rip off someone elses?
Back in the day a guy who went to my uni uploaded one of his video projects to Youtube and it became one of the first big viral hits on the site. Within about six months a commercial for a food brand ripped off his idea completely. What was funny was the a commercial was nowhere near as well-executed and was such a watered down, crappy version of the original idea.
It wasn't Lasse Gjertson was it?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 March, 2018, 12:19:25 AM
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 March, 2018, 01:59:26 PMIt's a lazy bit of style-copying from a company with more money than a Tory cabinet
An outside vendor supplied the poster design.
http://www.impawards.com/designers/blt_and_associates.html
Cor, they get a bit of work, don't they? Interestingly the Solo posters (which I really like) are so far away from anything else they've done that it makes the 'uncredited homage' even more glaring.
surprisingly looking forward to this, hope its a fun romp without whatever it was that spoiled the last Jedi for me....
Quote from: auxlen on 16 March, 2018, 11:01:15 PM
without whatever it was that spoiled the last Jedi for me....
It was the quadboobseal wasn't it.
Quote from: auxlen on 16 March, 2018, 11:01:15 PM
surprisingly looking forward to this, hope its a fun romp without whatever it was that spoiled the last Jedi for me....
Well, they literally
can't kill the character most of the audience are going to the movie to see, so I imagine you'll get along with it just fine.
Denny's Diner Solo: A Star Wars Story Commercial - Hand of Sabaac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ7auR-jU_Y)
Due to clinically diagnosed Star Wars Apathy I managed to avoid even the trailer for this until I was snared in a cinema seat yesterday morning.
Pre-The Last Jedi I'd probably have been air punching my way from smile to grin, now that the veil has been lifted it looks like a loada pointless tosh.
Quote from: Link Prime on 03 April, 2018, 01:15:31 PM
... now that the veil has been lifted it looks like a loada pointless tosh.
Heh, I'm in the opposite camp, TLJ re-energised my Star Wars enthusiasms, and I
still think this looks like a load of pointless tosh. What remains to be seen is whether that pointless tosh is of the enjoyable variety: it might (might) be nice to have a SW film where the fate of all that is good in the universe isn't at stake.
As for the aesthetic hinted at by the Denny's commercial, it seems a bit more Maz's Castle than Chalmun's Cantina, but it doesn't look
bad - and I did enjoy the throat-singing.
Most blockbusters can be boiled down to pointless enjoyable tosh now I think about it!
Quote from: GrudgeJohnDeed on 03 April, 2018, 02:48:35 PM
Most blockbusters can be boiled down to pointless enjoyable tosh now I think about it!
Pretty much, but sometimes I just want to be able to forget about the real world for a couple of hours and be whisked away to be witness to an amazing visual spectacle.
Quoteit might (might) be nice to have a SW film where the fate of all that is good in the universe isn't at stake.
They don't have the confidence to do 'small' Star Wars stories though. Mark my words - Solo
will end with the customary huge scale, wildly over the top cgi and explosions space/ground battle/saving the planet/galaxy scenario (which will no doubt end up harming/diminishing a character that has been established to be a bit of a blowhard prior to the events of the original movie).
I'd love to contradict any of that, Radiator, but I'd say you're most likely bang on there. Still, we journey ever in hope.
Well this looks great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPEYpryMp2s
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 April, 2018, 02:02:01 AM
Well this looks great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPEYpryMp2s
Yes.
Yes it does :D
My whines are two fold:
1. He even gets the gun.
2. Dispite myself and the fact it looks like its a box ticking exercise... well damn it yes, yes its hard to deny that looks ace.
Not feeling it, myself. The whole thing just looks pointless. Still, nobody's forcing (!) me to see it, so I doubt I'll bother.
Emilia Clarke's delivery seems very flat (but that may be to do with a posh accent adopted for whatever scam she's running... :think:), Fleabag's droid seems awfully human, but the rest does indeed look sharp: Lando in particular. Still struggling to dredge up ANY enthusiasm for the concept itself, but happy to see that the execution looks suitably professional, and the music choices so far seem to be upbeat and fun rather than portending DOOM FOR THE GALAXY, which is refreshing.
Quote from: DrRocka on 09 April, 2018, 10:13:48 AM
Not feeling it, myself. The whole thing just looks pointless. Still, nobody's forcing (!) me to see it, so I doubt I'll bother.
Have to say, I'm not really feeling it either-it all seems rather lifeless and by the numbers.
Still, I hope to be proved otherwise and Disney have brainwashed me into seeing every Star Wars movie until the end of time, so I'm sure I'll see it.
Say what you like about it, but the film is taking a massive gamble in casting a straight white male as the lead of a Star Wars film.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 09 April, 2018, 01:26:26 PM
Say what you like about it, but the film is taking a massive gamble in casting a straight white male as the lead of a Star Wars film.
Damn that quota system.
Maybe over his two centuries Chewie has found a little time for the love that dare not growl its name? Although personally I'm hoping against hope that Lando is revealed as bi
at the very least, if only to learn how loud the man-babies can scream.
Quote from: TordelBack on 09 April, 2018, 05:14:24 PM
Although personally I'm hoping against hope that Lando is revealed as bi at the very least, if only to learn how loud the man-babies can scream.
You think a straight man could pull off wearing that cape?
I have it on good authority* that while the actor who plays Han Solo through most of the film will definitely be a white male, [spoiler]the character will in fact be revealed to be transgender, born Anne Solo.
The fact he was able to father Ben Solo perhaps goes to show the advances in Sci-fi tech. Or maybe Ben was another product of those saucy midichlorians.[/spoiler]
*Aka my overactive imagination which goes to a very silly place sometimes.
Recasting Lando with a black actor is going too far.
So this is new ground: a current SW actor simultaneously puts out what has to be one of the most stunning music videos of recent years in Glover's This Is America. It's not exactly What Do You Get A Wookiee For Christmas (When He Already Has A Comb) either - I wonder what Disney makes of it?
Quote from: TordelBack on 08 May, 2018, 09:35:04 PM
So this is new ground: a current SW actor simultaneously puts out what has to be one of the most stunning music videos of recent years in Glover's This Is America. It's not exactly What Do You Get A Wookiee For Christmas (When He Already Has A Comb) either - I wonder what Disney makes of it?
Seems like the kind of thing you do
after the film's safely in the can* and your handsome face is all over the posters:
https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY
* Disney have seen Atlanta, so they knew what they were getting. Plus, like everything else the talented wee sod's ever done, the video's been universally well received
Mmmm, it is an extraordinarily powerful piece, both musically and visually: but I struggle to see Disney embracing the timing, even if it (and Glover in general) boost the cool of the whole project by association.
The film has far left drugs advocate and communist thug Woody Harrelson in it, though fair play the rules seem to be a bit different when it comes to what the media considers acceptable behavior from rich white rednecks and that of young black men.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 09 May, 2018, 05:35:38 PM
The film has far left drugs advocate and communist thug Woody Harrelson in it, though fair play the rules seem to be a bit different when it comes to what the media considers acceptable behavior from rich white rednecks and that of young black men.
18-year-old Carrie Fisher was high for every second of the original trilogy and Billy Dee copped a plea on spousal battery charges, so
The Wars are officially,
historically down with non-male, non-old, and non-white misdemeanours.
Disney let Warwick Davis appear in the sequels despite his friendship with Ricky Gervais, so association with the unpleasant and the offensive is obviously no obstacle to participation.
Quote from: Frank on 09 May, 2018, 06:09:00 PM18-year-old Carrie Fisher was high for every second of the original trilogy and Billy Dee copped a plea on spousal battery charges, so The Wars are officially, historically down with non-male, non-old, and non-white misdemeanours.
Whereas legendary dope smoker Harrison Ford has been permanently stoned since at least 1968 when he was a cameraman/roadie for The Doors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_NhuteVTB8).
(http://www.themost10.com/wp-content/uploads/Harrison-Ford-and-Jim-Morrison.jpg)
How Harrison Ford's 'Brutal Strength' Weed Changed Carrie Fisher's Opinion On Pot (http://www.konbini.com/us/lifestyle/carrie-fisher-harrison-ford-weed-addiction/)
Quote from: Frank on 09 May, 2018, 06:09:00 PM]
Disney let Warwick Davis appear in the sequels despite his friendship with Ricky Gervais, so association with the unpleasant and the offensive is obviously no obstacle to participation.
Arf!
All indications from the trailers are that Ehrenreich is playing Han/Harrison at his most monotonic/stoned, so maybe Her Arch-Satanness Kennedy has embraced edgy subcultures in general.
Jon Favreau confirms that his live action Star Wars series takes place 7 years after Return of the Jedi (https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 May, 2018, 04:36:51 AM
Jon Favreau confirms that his live action Star Wars series takes place 7 years after Return of the Jedi (https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712)
This has the potential to be extremely one thing or the other. I'm hoping for the former.
Early word is... really pretty good. (http://collider.com/solo-reviews/)
(Also: Kenobi movie may finally be happening... (https://www.fanthatracks.com/news/film-music-tv/exclusive-obi-wan-kenobi-movie-in-pre-production-filming-scheduled-for-spring-2019/))
If someone says "the best Star Wars yet!" you know we're in trouble.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 11 May, 2018, 12:23:27 PM
If someone says "the best Star Wars yet!" you know we're in trouble.
The real danger is when Spielberg, Scorsese and the ghost of Kubrick come out of an advance showing talking about unprecedented vision, envelope pushing and expanding digital frontiers. Then yousa knowin weesa in big doo-doo.
Quote from: TordelBack on 11 May, 2018, 10:44:17 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 May, 2018, 04:36:51 AM
Jon Favreau confirms that his live action Star Wars series takes place 7 years after Return of the Jedi (https://twitter.com/DanCasey/status/994758084336627712)
This has the potential to be extremely one thing or the other. I'm hoping for the former.
If
Crix Madine is not in it, I'm done.
Quote from: Frank on 08 May, 2018, 10:02:24 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 08 May, 2018, 09:35:04 PM
So this is new ground: a current SW actor simultaneously puts out what has to be one of the most stunning music videos of recent years in Glover's This Is America. It's not exactly What Do You Get A Wookiee For Christmas (When He Already Has A Comb) either - I wonder what Disney makes of it?
Seems like the kind of thing you do after the film's safely in the can* and your handsome face is all over the posters:
https://youtu.be/VYOjWnS4cMY
* Disney have seen Atlanta, so they knew what they were getting. Plus, like everything else the talented wee sod's ever done, the video's been universally well received
As if by magic, BBC Two are showing
Atlanta from the start. It's
really good; like
Minder or
Only Fools with a wee bit of
Spaced or
Father Ted:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b3q4bk
Watched Solo last night, enjoyed it, was better than I expected. Not as good as Rogue One but a 100 times better than The Last Jedi ;)
4 hours to go for me.......I'm expecting entertaining, average but comfortable.
That would be fine by me as I need something to help me forget that abomination last December.
For me it was a rollicking good space adventure, hitting a lot of beats I expected and some I didn't. Crowd-pleasing more than The Last Jedi (which I was a fan of) but not as much as The Force Awakens. Liked it a lot.
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Finally walked out of a modern star wars film with a smile on my face. Hope the last jedi backlash and this boycott nonsense that's floating around doesn't damage it's box office too much, I want the sequel. The cast here were great, and he's a solid han solo.
I actually had FUN. Thank god.
I'm afraid I found it clunkingly underwhelming. :(
Decent movie with great value for Expanded Universe. So, it's actually more than I expected.
Some are claiming it's the best Star Wars movie since The Last Jedi.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 25 May, 2018, 09:44:29 PM
Some are claiming it's the best Star Wars movie since The Last Jedi.
I prefer pretending THAT film doesn't exist.....
At this point, it's my favourite non-Lucas Star Wars, though I can appreciate that's perhaps feint praise.
I didn't walk out of the cinema feeling more miserable than when I walked in......that's new for me and Disney Star Wars. I walked out smiling.
Well, I enjoyed the hell out of that. No expectations going in, but that was a HUGE amount of fun. I'll happily watch a couple more of those...
Underwhelmed too.
It was...Ok.
The direction was insipid, the script barely passable, the acting decent, and I thought they whole film felt...cheap.
Expectations probably far too high on this one. I imagine it will grow on me a bit. Still far too long though.
I imagine for a great many people, as with Rogue One, it will be impossible for them to watch this objectively and everything will be seen through the lens of "this production was a DISASTER!"
Waitin for Joe Soap's box office calculations.
I'll watch it on telly on a rainy Sunday in 2019.
Take that Disney! You give me The Last Jedi, I give you Star Wars ennui.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 29 May, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
I'll watch it on telly on a rainy Sunday in 2019.
Take that Disney! You give me The Last Jedi, I give you Star Wars ennui.
Yeah, but the problem is that you might like it when you watch it on the TV in a couple of years and think "I would have liked to have seen the sequel to that".....but we won't get one because it's performing so badly.
A bit like "Dredd", where there are no end of comments from people saying "finally caught this on TV, wish I'd seen it in the cinema, why isn't there a sequel?".
I hope this film's failure finally puts to bed the SJW delusion that a straight white male can carry an action or sci-fi movie.
Quote from: SIP on 29 May, 2018, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 29 May, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
I'll watch it on telly on a rainy Sunday in 2019.
Take that Disney! You give me The Last Jedi, I give you Star Wars ennui.
Yeah, but the problem is that you might like it when you watch it on the TV in a couple of years and think "I would have liked to have seen the sequel to that".....but we won't get one because it's performing so badly.
A bit like "Dredd", where there are no end of comments from people saying "finally caught this on TV, wish I'd seen it in the cinema, why isn't there a sequel?".
I'd rather live with the disappointment of never seeing another good Star Wars film - I did for 30 odd years - than have the disappointment of another insulting sequel.
It's pretty weird that Star Wars as a series now has more prequels than sequels...
Or it's a paradigm of how backwards-looking it is as a property, constantly stripmining the same narrow period of continuity even as it hollowly professes to be moving past it.
Took the kids today and they both declared it GREAT - but not as good as Last Jedi, which seems a fair summary.
Its fun superfluous fluff and an absolute blast, but really didn't give us anything we didn't expect... well except someone [spoiler]red and dead [/spoiler]popping up at the end there (well I know [spoiler]Maul[/spoiler] has appeared in one of the cartoons but I'm surprised and never quite sure how?). Anyway there was a moment at the end when [spoiler]Lando scarpered[/spoiler] I thought they'd made a really bold decision and left a nice open space. Then they decide to add that [spoiler]card game[/spoiler] at the end and another door closes.
Mind having whined about fan service and pointless detailing of things we know I was really rather pleasently surprised with the bit where Han gets [spoiler]christened Solo,[/spoiler] that was really rather cute and fun.
At the end of the day its also a mystery to me why this film stretched to over 2hr 15 mins there was just no need and it seemed weird to cramp so much into this one story of his origin... some could have been left for the later films... though of course if the internet knowledgable types are to be believed these ain't happening now so its a good job they cramped it all in here I suppose!
If it had been shorter, it would have cost much less to make, which would have meant it would have needed to take much less to break even, which would have made it a success already. "For want of a nail" and all that.
"I hate you."
"I know."
Quote from: Professor Bear on 30 May, 2018, 09:12:52 PM
If it had been shorter, it would have cost much less to make, which would have meant it would have needed to take much less to break even, which would have made it a success already. "For want of a nail" and all that.
If they hadn't decided to fire the directors and reshoot an alleged 70% of the movie, it would also have cost a lot less...
(No judgement either way from me on that decision with respect to how the finished movie would have come out. I enjoyed it a lot, so maybe they should just have gone with a safer pair of hands to start with...)
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 30 May, 2018, 09:04:07 PM
it seemed weird to cramp so much into this one story of his origin... some could have been left for the later films... though of course if the internet knowledgable types are to be believed these ain't happening now so its a good job they cramped it all in here I suppose!
Oh man. I loved that they ticked every Han box all in one movie. I've seen so many TV series that take ages to get to the origin... of the story... of the start... where it all began... tease tease (Gotham I'm looking at you) if I go to the cinema I want to see it all. Not saying it was a classic but it was a pretty generous serving.
I think it was a really solid effort and if it had come out 2 years ago I'm sure it would have done a lot better. Unfortunately, it's following on from such a wave of Star wars disharmony created by last jedi that it was doomed from last December.
I love the ridiculous speculation on "why is it failing?" that seems to now be circulating, from "troubled production" (does anyone really believe that 99% of the cinema going public have the first clue about this being a troubled production?) to the latest absurdity, "only new star wars films with a female lead are successful".
They pissed off a lot of the star wars hardcore, so the fan boys who would have seen this 10 times have decided not to. I'm sure this would have underperformed last jedi anyway as it's more niche, but they have lost a fair slice.of box office takings by upsetting half the people who would go and see a star wars film multiple times.
I'm going again tomorrow because it was a fun star wars romp. Hopefully the other fans will see it now that the "opening weekend" is out of the way, and it's drop off rate will hopefully be an improvement over last jedi.
At what point do you think lucasfilm will announce that the proposed "Rian Johnson trilogy" will be cancelled? I'd bet my lunch money on it.
At this point, Lucasfilm needs to stop and think about its approach.
Though I don't agree with the ridiculous wave of hatred that's been spouted for the last 5 months from a large portion of the star wars community, it's fairly obvious that the falling merchandise sales and underperformance of solo are at least in some part due to the displeasure around last jedi, though it's difficult to quantify how much.
Lucasfilm approach so far, from Kathleen Kennedy, Abrams, Johnson and Kasdan junior appears to have been to tell the people who didn't like their last film that they were small minded bigots/sexists. Johnson just reiterates that "he had to do his own thing"........I feel like they have lost sight of the fact that it's a global franchise, and though they should endeavour to be inventive and ground breaking, it maybe was not a good idea to take those steps with beloved original trilogy characters.
I wonder if the star wars franchise would have been in a far better place right now if they'd have just left the old timers completely out of it......I wish they had.
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 04:25:40 PM
I think it was a really solid effort and if it had come out 2 years ago I'm sure it would have done a lot better. Unfortunately, it's following on from such a wave of Star wars disharmony created by last jedi that it was doomed from last December.
I can't understand the logic of putting it out against Infinity War and Deadpool 2. They don't have a Star Wars movie to put out this Christmas, and the only 'big' release I'm seeing listed for December so far is, umm,
Aquaman...? No idea why they didn't hold this to the end of the year.
I agree entirely, Christmas would have been a lot better to avoid some of the reported "star wars fatigue".
I would love to be a fly on the wall at the next board meeting between Disney and Lucasfilm. I'm sure it would start with a Disney exec stating "We are trying to make money here you know". When you've got that much of an existing customer base who are usually falling over themselves to give you their money, they must be scratching their heads as to why it's being botched so badly.
Don't forget Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom, which is out in a few days. This particular couple of months is jammed with movies appealing to the same demographic. Something had to give, and it's a shame it's Han.
I'm going tomorrow with my kids.
SBT
Saw Solo on the bank Holiday- despite thoroughly enjoyed the Firefly feeling of the opening section, thought Thandie Newton was wasted. Loved how Hahn got his surname how generally awful he was at most things. The only things that disappointed were the appearance of a character I thought was dead and with it the prospect of any sequels involving that character.
Mind, if Qu'ira and the spiky headed one next appear in the Obi-wan fillum and are dealt with there- that will be a nice surprise.
The full story of THAT character is covered in the really excellent Clone wars TV series, and concluded (very poorly in my opinion) in the incredibly lacklustre "Rebels" series. Sadly, Rebels is "canon", so the conclusion of that character already exists.
Still.....I would have loved to have seen the NEXT Solo movie......so much great stuff to visit.
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 04:25:40 PM
They pissed off a lot of the star wars hardcore, so the fan boys who would have seen this 10 times have decided not to.
That is the best explanation for the under-performance.
I still think we'll get a sequel to Solo as all Star Wars movies are now tarnished so its even more risky trying something left-field.
I still loved The Last Jedi but then I think our generation of Brits are more used to characters being subverted by new Creators. I mean Luke really going, in person, to fight on Crayt? Bonkers. Be like Yoda rocking up on Bespin in 1980 and having a three way fight with Vader and Son.
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 04:25:40 PM
I think it was a really solid effort and if it had come out 2 years ago I'm sure it would have done a lot better. Unfortunately, it's following on from such a wave of Star wars disharmony created by last jedi that it was doomed from last December.
Apparently - and this is only based on what I've read and don't really know how these things work - that's apparently not true at all. While there is some strong anti-Last Jedi on dis 'ere Internet and fanboys are screaming its actually done fine.
Good critical reception, pretty decent box office (1.2 billion I believe but that's from memory and could be wrong) and very strong and positive audience ratings its A+ or some such. From what I've read the outrage is restricted to some fans on the internet and is unlikely to have impacted on Solo.
Edited to add: Meant to say the far more likely reason (I'd guess) is that its only been 6 months since the last movie and it has stiff summer competition. Much as sime folks don't like Last Jedi - and that's fine - it might be a bit much to blame it for KILLING Star Wars, when there's more likely reasons out there?
One very important argument against that theory though, all the hardcore star wars fans had pre-booked their last jedi tickets months in advance of its release, I know I did. So, last jedi already had a huge chunk of its box office money BEFORE it was released. The drop off rate in the second week of last jedi was the worst of any star wars film yet recorded.
That would suggest that the fans that usually go back on repeat viewings didn't this time around, and also that the word of mouth wasn't great. Last jedi did make a lot of money, but it underperformed what they expected it to make.
I am yet to see its blu ray sales. I spend a lot of money on star wars.....I am that sap.....but I don't own a copy of last jedi.
I think the fans who pre-booked last jedi didn't all pre-book solo, and that has contributed to some of its opening weekend underperformance.
How much it's contributed is unknown of course. It is significant that a film from such a hugely supported global franchise did this badly in its first week of box office. If that community had turned out for its normal multiple viewings I can't help but think this would have done a lot better than it has.
All speculation of course.
I think it's a combination of things - mainly an oversaturated marketplace - they clearly should have released it during a less crowded month.
As for the reception of the franchise itself... I can only go on my own first hand experience, but yeah there does seem to have been a huge falling off of interest.
The Force Awakens was a legitimate phenomenon - literally everyone was talking about it - and friends who normally don't care about blockbusters went to see it. I organised a big group of friends to all go and see it together.
Then Rogue One comes out the following year. Still quite a bit of hype/awareness, and I was able to get a fairly good-sized group together to see it, though the reaction was very muted - mainly shrugs.
By the time The Last Jedi comes out, no one I knew locally was interested to come and see it with me, and I'd struggle to name more than 3 or 4 people total who I know who saw it at all.
And now Solo is out, and even I - a lifelong Star Wars fan - can't be bothered to see it. I think perhaps two people in my entire social circle have seen it.
It's been a case of diminishing returns. After TLJ - the third underwhelming movie in a row - you just cut your losses.
I think RLM's Rich Evans hit the nail on the head when he said that SW as a property is surprisingly limited in scope. Return of the Jedi feels like a pretty definitive ending for the saga, and there really isn't much you can do with it. Stick too close to the originals and it feels like a retread, but diverge too far from the established formula and it no longer feels like Star Wars.
I think there is a huge amount of scope, you only have to look at the 40 years of expanded universe novels, comics , games and cartoons for that.
I think the problem lies in the approach of Disney Lucasfilm.....it's not been coherent. Marvel has built a series of films and channelled it's property expertly whilst Lucasfilm have taken a more scattergun approach. We have 4 films covering 3 different timelines, we have creative disputes on 2 of the films and we have a trilogy that is being made up on the fly.
I appreciate that the other two trilogies were also generally made up as they went, but at least they were the creation of a single individual (from a plotting perspective).
Now we have Abrams coming back in......and I suspect that he will have a strong focus on fan-appeasement to try and boost box office. I'm genuinely interested to see what the game plan is for episode 9. It's going to need to be spectacular to boost figures and get buy in from the disenfranchised.
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 06:13:05 PM
Now we have Abrams coming back in......and I suspect that he will have a strong focus on fan-appeasement to try and boost box office. I'm genuinely interested to see what the game plan is for episode 9. It's going to need to be spectacular to boost figures and get buy in from the disenfranchised.
Gosh yeah, fan appeasement, that'll make for a great film no doubt.
> Points at putrid mess that is RotS <.
Quote from: TordelBack on 31 May, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 06:13:05 PM
Now we have Abrams coming back in......and I suspect that he will have a strong focus on fan-appeasement to try and boost box office. I'm genuinely interested to see what the game plan is for episode 9. It's going to need to be spectacular to boost figures and get buy in from the disenfranchised.
Gosh yeah, fan appeasement, that'll make for a great film no doubt.> Points at putrid mess that is RotS <.
I think the majority of episode 3 haters now look back and wish new star wars was that good! 😂
Aside from the pushing aside of jar jar, how did episode 3 appease fans?
Every story beat was already established by the original trilogy wasn't it? It was more an exercise in box ticking than fan appeasement, but the very nature of the film made that unavoidable. Granted, we could have done without some of the silly inclusions, such as the death star construction and yoda off to dagobah, but the rest (the core anakin storyline) sort of had to happen didn't it?
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 05:40:54 PM
One very important argument against that theory though, all the hardcore star wars fans had pre-booked their last jedi tickets months in advance of its release, I know I did.
Booked mine on the day. And it was still less than 50% full.
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 31 May, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 05:40:54 PM
One very important argument against that theory though, all the hardcore star wars fans had pre-booked their last jedi tickets months in advance of its release, I know I did.
Booked mine on the day. And it was still less than 50% full.
For last jedi? It was packed in mine. They still made over a billion, so people came out in numbers to see it. From a superficial financial standpoint, last jedi appears to be a success.....it made a lot of money. But a lot of the financial indicators also show that it was expected to make more, and it did the bulk of its business in the opening weekend. After that it dropped off rapidly. That is unusual for a star wars film and pointed to issues that seem to have carried over into solo's performance.
Quoteyou only have to look at the 40 years of expanded universe novels, comics , games and cartoons for that
My point is that yeah, there's scope for novels, comics and games marketed exclusively to existing fans, but as we're seeing with Solo, there perhaps isn't much appetite for them as huge mainstream blockbuster films. I saw a review that described Solo as 'a filmed Wikipedia article'. That about sums it up. I couldn't give a shit about how Han Solo got his gun. It's just a gun - there's nothing special about it. I'm not interested in the precise circumstances of the times he first met Chewy or Lando - everything we need to know about their relationships we can infer from the original movies. Han is only an interesting character because of the
journey he goes on in Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. Even by Return of the Jedi he feels a bit superfluous.
I think there's a larger point about prequels - in that they are almost almost bad and no one actually seems to like them, they always fall into the same hacky tropes, and I genuinely don't understand why Hollywood keeps churning them out. More often than not, they actually do lasting damage to the prestige of their respective franchises - as in the case of Hobbit/LotR, Alien/Prometheus etc etc.
The one exception to the rule is Better Call Saul, which is totally great despite doing a lot of overtly prequely stuff that usually makes me roll my eyes. I can't think of a single other genuinely great prequel though.
Also, regarding that cameo... I was aware that [spoiler]the character in question was miraculously resurrected in the cartoons (despite being very clearly killed - like, CUT IN HALF AND TOSSED DOWN A BOTTOMLESS PIT -[/spoiler] and remember thinking "wow, that's dumb. At least they'd never do something that cheap and contrived in the actual movies"...
Quote from: radiator on 31 May, 2018, 06:42:03 PM
More often than not, they actually do lasting damage to the prestige of their respective franchises - as in the case of Hobbit/LotR, Alien/Prometheus etc etc.
Interesting that you picked Alien/Prometheus. How about Alien/Aliens?
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 31 May, 2018, 05:31:37 PM
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 04:25:40 PM
I think it was a really solid effort and if it had come out 2 years ago I'm sure it would have done a lot better. Unfortunately, it's following on from such a wave of Star wars disharmony created by last jedi that it was doomed from last December.
Apparently - and this is only based on what I've read and don't really know how these things work - that's apparently not true at all. While there is some strong anti-Last Jedi on dis 'ere Internet and fanboys are screaming its actually done fine.
Good critical reception, pretty decent box office (1.2 billion I believe but that's from memory and could be wrong) and very strong and positive audience ratings its A+ or some such. From what I've read the outrage is restricted to some fans on the internet and is unlikely to have impacted on Solo.
Last Jedi's aggregate scores
have evened out over time, but as noted by many of our good selves on this very forum at the time, the audience opinion
when it was playing in theaters was notably low to the point that a cottage industry emerged producing articles commenting upon the disparity between audience satisfaction and the official critical consensus* - and a lot of the articles concluded that a low audience satisfaction rating was all a nasty plot by Star Wars fans on the internet, naturally. Those highly organised Star Wars fans on the internet who infamously know how to reach consensus... and then organise boycotts of Star Wars products which led to all those financial failures that Star Wars had...
Oddly, the same insightful and critical evaluation of audience satisfaction ratings that concluded that the highly effective Star Wars BDS campaign that had lowered the aggregate ratings for TLJ seemed to have gone on holiday once Last Jedi stopped playing theatrically and the ratings - for a film that no-one could watch anymore until it came out on home platforms - started to go up. I guess there were just an awful lot of people who suddenly remembered that they really liked that movie and felt compelled to write a glowing review via an anonymous online account ahead of the home video release.
Kind of like that odd statistical blip where suddenly, just after Disney acquired Star Wars, a lot of websites
completely off their own bat were publishing re-evaluations of the Prequels that all seemed to draw the conclusion that Star Wars wasn't actually dead after all and there was definitely loads of movies left in it that people should go and see in the cinema.
* which naturally also dragged in the
Ghostbusters reboot and
Star Trek Discovery as examples of "gatekeepers" in fandom exerting voodoo-like powers of mind control over casual cinema goers and tv watchers.
Quote from: sheridan on 31 May, 2018, 08:30:48 PM
Quote from: radiator on 31 May, 2018, 06:42:03 PM
I think there's a larger point about prequels ...
Interesting that you picked Alien/Prometheus. How about Alien/Aliens?
See text quoted in
red above.
In the context of a behemoth like Star Wars, it takes more than a contingent of disgruntled fanboise/fangurls of the hardcore to decide not to turn up to account for Solo's worldwide opening weekend shortfall. Solo didn't generate the buzz and novelty tie-in nostalgia factor its precursor Rogue One managed, so the Star Wars agnostics of the general audience are just not that into this particular Star Wars/Han Solo film - the reasons for this are no doubt manifold, but I'm sure the other half of the faithful who will see any Star Wars film regardless, did exactly that.
Apart from the divisiveness, the thing that differentiates the new Star Wars from all other crossover franchises is that it isn't following the basic sequential momentum of Marvel or even the Harry Potter prequels. With Marvel, the films big and small exist in a forward moving, progressive story so there's value in always seeing the next film; especially in the run-up to, during and after, the Infinity War films. With Star Wars it's jumping back and forth with character strands and timelines. The Sequel sequence has a follow-through but each installment is interrupted by off-shoots that are jumping backward, not directly connected to or necessary in terms of story: The Last Jedi doesn't follow Rogue One, nor Solo The Last Jedi. No other franchise does this or has at least cracked how to do it yet.
It's like mixing the platforms of telly and cinema; because Solo exists in the context of being a small story - it could've been 2 or 3 episodes of a Star Wars TV series - connected to the larger Star Wars franchise known mainly for lightsabers, Death Stars and Darth Vader's extended family, the film they have could never manage to sell itself big enough. It's not that scale of story, even relative to Rogue One, nor does it feature exuberance of Guardians of the Galaxy. Maybe Lord & Miller's version might have been that but there's also a chance the all ready disgruntled anti-Disneyites would've shat their hearts out in disgust over a more comedic Han Solo.
QuoteThe Sequel sequence has a follow-through but each installment is interrupted by off-shoots that are jumping backward, not directly connected to or necessary in terms of story: The Last Jedi doesn't follow Rogue One, nor Solo The Last Jedi
Yeah, and yet I've spoken to people who I'm 90% sure
weren't aware that Rogue One wasn't a direct sequel to The Force Awakens...
Perhaps they'd have been better off doing the spin-offs as TV series...?
Quote from: radiator on 31 May, 2018, 10:07:32 PM
Yeah, and yet I've spoken to people who I'm 90% sure weren't aware that Rogue One wasn't a direct sequel to The Force Awakens...
Which would've been a bit shit if they expected to find out how
Lone Starr & Princess Vespa got so old and why each forgot where the other one was.
The audience is a a big pile of what the fuckeries.
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 06:30:06 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 31 May, 2018, 06:17:43 PM
Gosh yeah, fan appeasement, that'll make for a great film no doubt.> Points at putrid mess that is RotS <.
I think the majority of episode 3 haters now look back and wish new star wars was that good! 😂
Aside from the pushing aside of jar jar, how did episode 3 appease fans?
Every story beat was already established by the original trilogy wasn't it? It was more an exercise in box ticking than fan appeasement, but the very nature of the film made that unavoidable. Granted, we could have done without some of the silly inclusions, such as the death star construction and yoda off to dagobah, but the rest (the core anakin storyline) sort of had to happen didn't it?
I think box-ticking is akin to appeasement in Star Wars or any long term fandom - the wanting to see it happen. It's a telegraphing exercise that hurt the original films' dramatic reveals by spelling out where everyone and everything came from and where they ended up before it's revealed in the OT.
Mr. Lucas didn't think the
"I, am your father" reveal or the secret of the Skywalker lineage was worth preserving and for a new viewer of the series starting at Episode 1 (which is the intended logical viewing order now the films are all made) wouldn't it be better
not knowing beforehand that Luke & Leia are twins, where they ended up, or that Kenobi hid Luke on Tattooine?
All of these things and more were avoidable in telling the story of the rise of the Empire and decline of the Jedi Knights.
QuoteAside from the pushing aside of jar jar, how did episode 3 appease fans?
I've always been of the opinion that Episode I is by far the most confident of the prequels, and feels the most like it's own film. I think it's pretty clear that Lucas changed course quite a bit due to criticism of The Phantom Menace - most of all sidelining Jar Jar Binks, but also leaning heavily into the few things people actually liked about TPM - namely the action scenes/lightsaber duels. There's other things, like making fan-favourite character Boba Fett a central character in Episode II, the silly Yoda fights scenes, the extended Chewie cameo in Ep III etc etc.
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 04:27:56 PMThough I don't agree with the ridiculous wave of hatred that's been spouted for the last 5 months from a large portion of the star wars community,
An odd comment considering how much of it has come from you!
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 31 May, 2018, 09:46:18 PM
In the context of a behemoth like Star Wars, it takes more than a contingent of disgruntled fanboise/fangurls of the hardcore to decide not to turn up to account for Solo's worldwide opening weekend shortfall.
Hardcore fans are a small group used to ridicule and arguing online about their opinion with randos, but starting with The Last Jedi, the wider world of normals have to put up with that shit, too.
There are literally billions of people on social media, and I suspect it might be possible that having the Pavlovian impression that Star Wars is the Flying Dutchman of internet discussion might impact the decision to see another movie and/or express an opinion on it.
While it may be a bit of a flop relatively speaking, loads of people have still been to see it and loads more will continue to do so.
I think the timing must have hurt takings. Not everyone can afford to go to the cinema 3 or 4 times a month and with this coming hot on the heels of Ininity War and Deadpool and just a short while before Jurassic World it's a no brainer that the audience for all these films has to some extent been divided between them.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 01 June, 2018, 08:36:19 AM
Quote from: SIP on 31 May, 2018, 04:27:56 PMThough I don't agree with the ridiculous wave of hatred that's been spouted for the last 5 months from a large portion of the star wars community,
An odd comment considering how much of it has come from you!
Did I miss that? I haven't made any comment regarding star wars on any forum or social media, with the exception of saying I didn't like last jedi on this forum. Along with multiple other forum members.
How does that make me guilty of a "wave of hatred"?
I'm no more guilty of a wave of hatred than tordel being guilty of a wave of fan boy love by stating that he liked it!
That's a complete nonsense comment sir.
I'm just back from seeing solo for a second time too.
Quote from: SIP on 01 June, 2018, 01:13:20 PM
...tordel being guilty of a wave of fan boy love ...
As charged, baby. As. Charged.
Although I prefer the terms 'tsunami of adoring joy juice', or just 'tumultuous viscous emission of passion".
Man don't like the movie, man is entitled to say so: SIP has been sadly consistent. My main interest in The 'Wars Wars these days is in the reality of the Disney astroturfing of the Prequels that Bear refers to: the positive shift in apparent online attitudes to Lucas and his red-headed step-children is definitely a verifiable phenomenon, which I have largely ascribed to a generational shift (i.e. that drivel now represents the same childhood nostalgia fodder for 20-somethings that the far superior originals are for our cohort). But I'd love to know the truth.
It'll all be interesting to look back on in years to come......
There are clearly multiple reasons contributing to the reception to new Star wars, all stated here, from fatigue, to erratic timelines, to bad timing and to disgruntled fans. There have ALWAYS been disgruntled fans, plenty about when the prequels happened, they just have the ability to make more noise now.
I was never a prequels hater, my true love is the original trilogy, but I can take enjoyment from most of what came after 1983, from the games, comics, novels, cartoons and films.
I hope they get it back on track with a more cohesive approach. I enjoyed Solo a lot, I liked bits of Rogue One (but think it's a messy film), I enjoyed most of force awakens, and my last jedi thoughts are well noted above......hopefully Lucasfilm can deliver a really great Episode 9 that can make a positive impact. It probably helps that it's 18 months away too, to give people time to build up a little excitement for some new star wars.
Quote from: SIP on 01 June, 2018, 08:46:53 PMThere have ALWAYS been disgruntled fans, plenty about when the prequels happened, they just have the ability to make more noise now.
The difference is there's now 3 generations of disgruntled fans, all with varying opinions and allegiances.
Just back from seeing it for the second time and I really enjoyed it this time. Midnight screenings are a slog after a days work but I don't trust myself to avoid spoilers!
I really, really liked young Alden's performance and he really grows into Han Snr as the movie progresses, he has Ford's mannerisms off to a tee. Lando is glorious, in fact, all the characters are ('cept that droid.)
I think he did a fantastic job, and not an easy set of boots to fill.
The droid is the bad point.... but thankfully not in it enough to drag proceedings down too much.
Quote from: Pete Wells on 01 June, 2018, 09:33:17 PMLando is glorious, in fact, all the characters are ('cept that droid.)
Bad character but the [spoiler]prison riot[/spoiler] is hilarious.
As much as I like Star Wars i don't think I have seen any of the films more than once at the cinema. I haven't been to see Solo yet which is because my partner has broken her leg and can't go. She loves these films and I don't want to see Solo without her but I think that if I had liked last Jedi more I would happily seen Solo solo.
I don't get the hate for the droid! I thought it was a cool character, and worked well with the general feel of the film. I maybe would have liked to have seen more, but it was worth it just for [spoiler]the robot freedom scene in Kessel. Lando's reaction when it was blown to bits had more pathos than when Han shot Woody[/spoiler] later on.
Spoliers added to protect those who've not seen it...
Quote from: Colin Zeal on 01 June, 2018, 11:43:47 PM
As much as I like Star Wars i don't think I have seen any of the films more than once at the cinema. I haven't been to see Solo yet which is because my partner has broken her leg and can't go. She loves these films and I don't want to see Solo without her but I think that if I had liked last Jedi more I would happily seen Solo solo.
Last time I had a broken leg I got to see the film in the wheelchair area, which was well-placed in the layout!
Quote from: sheridan on 02 June, 2018, 10:46:09 AM
Last time I had a broken leg I got to see the film in the wheelchair area, which was well-placed in the layout!
I
think the film in question was World's End, starring the voice of Johnny Alpha :)
Quote from: Colin Zeal on 01 June, 2018, 11:43:47 PM
I think that if I had liked last Jedi more I would happily seen Solo solo.
I'll confess that this is one of the objections I understand least. This is a Star Wars film that doesn't relate to the the plot of TLJ in any way, shares none of the same actors, directors or writers, and is co-written by the guy who wrote
Empire Strikes Back. If there was one Star Wars film I thought people
would want to go and see after being disappointed by TLJ, it's this one...!
Well, I saw it yesterday, and thought it's quite possibly my favourite of them all. It was exactly the Star Wars film I wanted to see, and have done since Marvel chose to follow the adventures of Han and Chewie after their initial adaptation ended forty years ago.
As a kid, I always preferred Han to Luke, and Star Wars for me was more about the adventure in a grimy universe than it ever was about jedis and The Force. So this ticked all my boxes.
My only niggle involves [spoiler]the obviously-aged and chubby Ray Park doing Maul, with a comedy voice and needless pansying about with the lightsabre, to set up a sequel we will now likely never get thanks to internet twats.[/spoiler]
All in all, my filmic highlight of the year.
SBT
If they had a big blue rabbit in it and re-made the Magnificent Seven I would have been so on board with this.
As it is, despite having a Cineworld unlimited card, I can't be arsed to see it again.
Maybe on blu ray.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 02 June, 2018, 12:48:53 PMIf there was one Star Wars film I thought people would want to go and see after being disappointed by TLJ, it's this one...!
But Kathleen Kennedy! SJWs!! FEEE-MALES!!!
(Plus TLJ ruined ALL OF STAR WARS FOREVER. Except for Revenge of the Sith - did you see the bit where Anakin got all sliced up and burned alive and squealed "I HATE YOU!" at his best bro - that was SOOO dark - and meanwhile the only woman in it had been strangled and was dying from childbirth or an excess of emotions or something: that's MY Star Wars.)
(This is (surely obviously) not directed at ColinZeal BTW, each their own).
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 June, 2018, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 02 June, 2018, 12:48:53 PMIf there was one Star Wars film I thought people would want to go and see after being disappointed by TLJ, it's this one...!
But Kathleen Kennedy! SJWs!! FEEE-MALES!!!
(Plus TLJ ruined ALL OF STAR WARS FOREVER. Except for Revenge of the Sith - did you see the bit where Anakin got all sliced up and burned alive and squealed "I HATE YOU!" at his best bro - that was SOOO dark - and meanwhile the only woman in it had been strangled and was dying from childbirth or an excess of emotions or something: that's MY Star Wars.)
(This is (surely obviously) not directed at ColinZeal BTW, each their own).
Mental note : must resist all temptation to post a picture of my shiny new "Revenge Of The Sith" Hot Toys Anakin Skywalker.
;)
Awful.
Quote from: SIP on 02 June, 2018, 08:45:16 PM
Mental note : must resist all temptation to post a picture of my shiny new "Revenge Of The Sith" Hot Toys Anakin Skywalker.
;)
Oh don't get me wrong, I love 'em. I l love 'em all. And not just the Prequels, the Sequels and the cartoons too. I'm not the critic i should be. (And I watch them endlessly).
In RotS, the starship crash, the Utapau battle, the idea of Darth Plagueis, Palpatine's office bas-relief, the whole Order 66 sequence, and especially the musical interlude (https://youtu.be/1B_w2s0GOMU) where Anakin decides to disobey Windu... hell the music in general: these are pretty much perfect in my book. Lucas is one of the all time greats in my book, for his uncompromising visual sense if nothing else.
I do find bits of them almost unwatchable, but I don't let that stop me. Once I started down that dark path, forever has it dominated my destiny.
Quote from: TordelBack on 02 June, 2018, 11:52:18 PM
Quote from: SIP on 02 June, 2018, 08:45:16 PM
Mental note : must resist all temptation to post a picture of my shiny new "Revenge Of The Sith" Hot Toys Anakin Skywalker.
;)
Oh don't get me wrong, I love 'em. I l love 'em all. And not just the Prequels, the Sequels and the cartoons too. I'm not the critic i should be. (And I watch them endlessly).
In RotS, the starship crash, the Utapau battle, the idea of Darth Plagueis, Palpatine's office bas-relief, the whole Order 66 sequence, and especially the musical interlude (https://youtu.be/1B_w2s0GOMU) where Anakin decides to disobey Windu... hell the music in general: these are pretty much perfect in my book. Lucas is one of the all time greats in my book, for his uncompromising visual sense if nothing else.
I do find bits of them almost unwatchable, but I don't let that stop me. Once I started down that dark path, forever has it dominated my destiny.
I completely agree with you.....some of it really is unwatchable. So much creative genius, so many great ideas packed in there from so many talented people, but so many problems and flaws too! I've enjoyed the whole ride, and I'm not quite ready to get off just yet (I genuinely hope I never feel compelled to).
We all right enjoyed that. It didn't do things quite the way I expected, [spoiler]a lot of early baths for characters I thought would stick around longer, a great last minute reverse on the "Han is an outright good guy", [/spoiler], it showed why the empire is demonstrably bad, kept the stakes small in galactic terms but high for the characters and still managed to tie them back to the bigger picture.
My only niggles were really minor; [spoiler]Beckett teaming up with marauders who recently caused his beloved to die,[/spoiler] Chewie moves in a far too human way.... There is something ungainly about how Peter Mathew moved and the awesome music from the trailer wasn't in it.
But, yeah, really liked that.
Me ribs finally healed enough that I could sit still in a cinema seat for two+ hours, so I treated myself and a small pool of the Bear family to this. Like Rogue One, it works best if viewed in the spirit of a Star Wars knock-off like Battle Beyond The Stars or Star Crash than as an addition to the Star Wars lore, and I have a few questions about how some of it pans out - why the Imperial blockade is there, why ships don't come out of the Maelstrom yet robo-feminist still has a map of it, why they need the hyperfuel for the double cross to work instead of just leaving it with the Alliance - but as a goofy romp it... just about works. It feels overlong and talky in places and I just wasn't convinced by the chemistry between Clarke and Ehrnreich and felt they could have ditched their oddly dated romance dynamic in favor of something more modern and playful - even the OT showed Han liked his relationships to be adversarial.
I guess I liked it overall, but I can understand why audiences didn't warm to it, though I have a theory that might have more to do with the 45 minutes of fucking ads I had to sit through, including one right before the movie itself that included loads of clips from the film - I detest this in movie trailers I can view for free and I detest it times 10 million for something I just paid forty fucking quid to watch, thanks, Disney, you fascism-embracing dick knockers.
thanks, Disney, you fascism-embracing dick knockers.
:lol: :lol: :lol: Z
Indeed.
I found that line much more entertaining than the film :lol:
I am having no luck trying to find the name and artist of the trailer music. But I am shite at using Google. Does anyone know what it is?
Look for it on Youtube instead. Usually it's quite good for trailer music, and if the info isn't in the description, the nerds in the comments will likely be trying to figure out who scored it.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 07 June, 2018, 08:15:21 PM
I am having no luck trying to find the name and artist of the trailer music. But I am shite at using Google. Does anyone know what it is?
There are good copies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn2UQKDJCvY
Quote from: Professor Bear on 06 June, 2018, 11:21:16 PM
thanks, Disney, you fascism-embracing dick knockers.
Thanks for my new signature!
Finally saw this tonight, on the darkest low-contrast projector onto the worst screen I have ever experienced, in a cinema so ball-broilingly hot and humid that I'm surprised they didn't charge extra for the use of the sauna: more like Hammam Solo. So fucking awful, couldn't tell characters apart for most of it, two complaints made and a formal one going in.
And I still really enjoyed it! Biggest surprise for me: Han was great. Wasn't expecting that. Also loved L3, again, that was something new. More of this please, and screw the box office whiners.
I also finally saw it tonight. Yes I liked it. It had a quite different feel to other Star Wars films. I haven't read any of this thread so I have a lot of catching up to do.
I liked all the little Easter eggs. I was just waiting for them to make the Kessel run about a distance rather than a time.
Tobias Beckett really reminded me of Yondu Udonta.
I had been under the impression that [spoiler]Darth Maul died in TPM[/spoiler] but I guess not.
Finally apparently Michael K. Williams (Omar in The Wire) was originally cast as Vos. Now that would have been awesome.
Quote from: TordelBack on 07 June, 2018, 10:05:56 PM
Finally saw this tonight, on the darkest low-contrast projector onto the worst screen I have ever experienced, in a cinema so ball-broilingly hot and humid that I'm surprised they didn't charge extra for the use of the sauna
Aw, heck, TB, if I'd known you were visiting Cookstown we could have met up for a pint, as clearly you used the same cinema I did. RedLetterMedia actually complained about the cinematography in this being really dark, and I had problems figuring out what was happening in the odd bit - I especially couldn't make out some of the Maelstrom/gravity well stuff. As near as I can figure, Howard for some reason made a deliberate aesthetic choice to make everything look dank and industrial.
Also should have mentioned the design work, especially the towering Chris Foss-inspired yacht that looked like it could have sailed straight off an Asimov cover circa 1980. I know Foss did some concept work on Jorodowsky's abortive Dune adaptation, so was this a design he did for Lucasfilm in the same period?
Also really liked the nice touch of [spoiler]Beckett's face just before he dies[/spoiler] - like he's about to burst into tears as he realises he's where he is because of the bad decisions he's made since Val's death. He seems angry at the selfless nature of her death immediately after it happens, and only seems to get his head straight by retreating into the infantile mantras and codas of the scoundrel and rogue, much as Han would when things go to shit between episodes 6 and 7. "Don't trust anybody" he tells Han, only to hear "You trusted Val." Did he tho? Was that why he was angry? I suspect I'll be trying to unpack that character arc for a while.
Of course then they go and ruin it with [spoiler]the comedy URRRRGGGH death rattle immediately after Woody's crying death face.[/spoiler] If they'd done a big fart noise and a wet splat to denote he'd pooed his pants it would have had much the same effect.
I did like L3, but I suspect a lot of people didn't because they felt they were being made fun of.
I thought Last Jedi reheating the Emperor's Throne Room scene from RotJ was dumb, but I liked it here.
Also: Teras Kasi - WOOT!
Quote from: Professor Bear on 08 June, 2018, 12:45:26 AM
As near as I can figure, Howard for some reason made a deliberate aesthetic choice to make everything look dank and industrial.
Apart from the general grime, I assume by having the whole film flatly lit, and not worrying too much about modelling, he could reshoot it faster. The scene in the Centipede's lair looks underexposed although it does suit the stuff in the trenches very well.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 08 June, 2018, 12:45:26 AMI did like L3, but I suspect a lot of people didn't because they felt they were being made fun of.
When L3 and the film are at their most anarchic it works like gangbusters but I think it's more the tone of the character that feels a little off leaving people either simply irritated, or confused as to whether it's promoting a cause or taking the piss out of its stridency. I needed a little more for it to work either way. If SOLO was a Verhoeven film we'd be left with no doubt whatsoever but we'd also have to live with seeing Lando
actually fucking it.
Can confirm the movie looked 'dark' on the screen in Australia as well. The train heist set piece would have been greatly improved if shot against bright snow, sun, etc. Didn't mind the rest of the film being shot in a grimier light though.
Really enjoyed the movie - only let down (IMO) by the return of [spoiler]Maul[/spoiler].
Yarp, I was in two minds about the inclusion of [spoiler]Maul[/spoiler], although it was an excellent surprise: I twigged the voice [spoiler]and the legs[/spoiler] just before the reveal, and that was fun.
Unfortunately I never liked the [spoiler]character's revival and handling in TCW[/spoiler], and that feeling hasn't changed. But it's a tiny moment here, offers a personal-head-canon reason for Dryden's scars, and it has the interesting double effect of simultaneously yet-again shrinking the SW universe while also opening it up explicitly to include the cartoons in a way all the earlier cameos never did: now you really do have to catch up.
So that element was more of a high-score draw.
Quick shout-out to Enfys Nest, something else I didn't expect at all, and a great addition to the masked folk of SW.
Also very positive, the restraint shown by keeping Jabba and Fett off screen. And I really do hope against hope that we get that sequel.
Superscreen at Cineworld for me and only place it looked dark was in the maelstrom but I guess it was meant to.
Still unsure about the greatest hits nature of the music in that chase section... But ultimately I gave it a thumbs up in my head.
I never thought of Beckett as being angry after the Val thing... makes more sense.
Cheers for the YouTube clips - still no closer to finding one that seems to have a real compser/artists on it. Unless orchestra Cinematique is actually a thing.
Quote from: von Boom on 07 June, 2018, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: Professor Bear on 06 June, 2018, 11:21:16 PM
thanks, Disney, you fascism-embracing dick knockers.
Thanks for my new signature!
was introduced to the Yiddish word 'schmeckle' the other day as a wonderful euphemism.
How about
"Thanks Disney, you subjugation-supporting schmeckle savourers"?
Booked a sneaky half day, going to see it in the Movie House at 2:15. £4.90. Z ;)
Wasn't too bad, the start on Correllia was impressive. Quite liked the dude with the Alfred Bester 'Stars my destination' face. Dragged a bit, the Solo guy weren't no Harrison Ford. Not a classic, but passed two hours. Z
Just saw it, and I'm on my way home now on a noisy bus. 23:07 and there's noisy youngsters on the bus. Well it is Friday night.*
Anyway, I enjoyed that a lot! A very enjoyable film and I enjoyed that cameo.
* While waiting at the bus stop another kid though it would be amusing go knock my cap off. So after an enjoyable time my thoughts went rather to the dark side, although I didn't retaliate appart from calling "good one, you idiot!" (Last two words were a bit quieter, to be fair. There were at least 5 of them and I'm alone. ) Still, it hasn't spoiled my night out.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 02 June, 2018, 12:48:53 PM
If there was one Star Wars film I thought people would want to go and see after being disappointed by TLJ, it's this one...!
Can't answer for anyone else, but for me the distaste of TLJ was so strong it was simply time to say goodbye to the Star Wars Galaxy from that point onward. Simple as that.
I've certainly had precedent with dropping previously highly regarded entertainments like a hot snot, X-Men comics and WWE wrestling come to mind.
All petulance aside, TLJ was an organic jumping-off point for a certain generation of Star Wars fan: no more Han, no more Luke, no more Leia - we all love Chewie and those gay robots, but if you don't think they can carry a film on their own and don't think much of the new characters, why would you bother coming back for another movie that contains none of the original stars and isn't about the Jedi/Empire stuff?
I can see why Solo wouldn't enthuse someone, but it's a shame as I really liked it. I'm thinking of starting a social media narrative about how "SJWs" are what are keeping the film back because L3 makes fun of them and feminists and lefties have no sense of humor about themselves, so hopefully the incels and fanboys will flock to see it before it leaves cinemas. I know it's not much, but it's still more of a plan for marketing this turkey than Disney had.
I've still not seen it, just not had the urge - not because of any TLJ backlash (didn't love it, didn't particularly hate it, found some moments dumb, some visually spectacular).
Generally cinema is too expensive in London to justify it - £17-20+
I've not seen the past 4 or 5 marvel films either, so for me it's also a bit fantasy/genre fatigue + all the noise around these films, I generally can't be arsed.
There's a stack of Blu-Rays I've bought and yet to watch, let alone get to the cinema.
Quote from: Steve Green on 12 June, 2018, 04:48:26 PM
Generally cinema is too expensive in London to justify it - £17-20+
You bloody WHAT - seriously... is that for like regular cinema not these 4D, G-Max schnengans I hear about?
I get outraged everytime I go to the cinema and pay a tenner, but that's summit else.
Oh and to keep on track TLJ is still great and Solo was okay.
£16 for a 2D screen at the Odeon in Wimbledon (inc booking fee) to see Jurassic World. £1 extra for premiere seating I think.
Daytime it drops to £14.
£21 inc fee for the same but in IMAX 3D.
It's cheaper over East London, or if I went further south to Sutton, but Odeon is generally very pricey.
Daylight robbery. That's about €6-8 more than the a screen at a Dublin IMC.
My local cinema has a £4.99 on Mondays deal.
Not that I have availed myself of it.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 12 June, 2018, 06:42:59 PM
Daylight robbery. That's about €6-8 more than the a screen at a Dublin IMC.
Yep - there's a Curzon above the HMV in the high street but that's not much cheaper.
Even the Picturehouse in Piccadilly Circus is around the same price.
I guess they want to sell subscriptions/monthly memberships.
anyway... that's why I haven't seen Solo, because the ticket prices are Sohigh.
I pay monthly for a Cineworld card. £17.99 per month and I can go as often as I wish.
It's not unusual for me to go to the cinema 10-12 times in a month.
I've loads of films that I would not have normally seen that way.
Oh my brothers, I can hardly breathe for dry heaving guffaws. Just reading anti-Disney "fans" waxing rapturous over Lucas interview nugget where he reveals his version of the ST would have been "microbiotic", i.e. about midichlorians. Apparently, this would have been FAR superior to TLJ, much revisionist chin-stroking reveals. Ignoring the fact that the PT would have done more with midichlorians if 'fan' outrage hadn't made them a popular synonym for childhood-r***ng, and overlooking that YOU'RE THE REASON LUCAS SOLD UP, MOOF-MILKERS.
Those microbiotic Force-users shall return in Episode VIII: The Least Jedi
Numskulls with blasters.
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 June, 2018, 08:54:22 AM
Lucas reveals his version of the ST would have been "microbiotic"
Any chance this is a typo? Maybe Luke's exile on Skellig Michael would have involved a lot of brown rice.
Quote from: Magnetica on 12 June, 2018, 07:26:23 PMMy local cinema has a £4.99 on Mondays deal.
Our nearest Vue is one of those doing '£4.99 every film, every day'. Although given deadline hell and a resident tiny person, we've only been able to take advantage of that precisely twice. Bah. (They occasionally do really early screenings, but it's kind of random.)
Mostly, though, you're talking £11–13 per head around here + parking. And then when you add a babysitter, a single film is heading towards 40 quid, so it needs to be fucking good. As I understand it, Solo is not such a film.
It's £4 in Cineworld Cardiff currently, or £5 for Superscreen. They had to drop their prices from about £9 a pop, as all their business was being stolen by Premier just around the corner, who also charge £4.
Sadly, this price drop wasn't around when Dredd screened. I had to join the £17 a month thing, but it all worked out ok, after seeing Dredd about 15 times there.
Anyway, I digress. I loved Solo. I loved it even more for £4 per showing. I've seen it three times now, and still very much enjoy it. A sci-fi heist movie with robots, lasers, spaceships, explosions, and a hint of Star Wars. What's not to like?
Last time we went to our little independant cinema my girlfriend and I had the 'ultra luxury' seats, I had a pint and she had a half and it cost £26. Pretty good value.
£21 per ticket in sunny Liverpool.
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 13 June, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
A sci-fi heist movie with robots, lasers, spaceships, explosions, and a hint of Star Wars. What's not to like?
That's exactly how I feel about.
Now, having said that, it feels like the least Star Warsy Star Wars film ever.
Indeed it feels more like Guardians of the Galaxy (1) to me.
Quote from: Magnetica on 13 June, 2018, 01:38:41 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 13 June, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
A sci-fi heist movie with robots, lasers, spaceships, explosions, and a hint of Star Wars. What's not to like?
That's exactly how I feel about.
Now, having said that, it feels like the least Star Warsy Star Wars film ever.
Indeed it feels more like Guardians of the Galaxy (1) to me.
All true. But there are many worse things, and few better.
Yes - it's not a criticism at all. In fact I like GoTG more than a lot of the Star Wars films.
Quote from: SIP on 13 June, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
£21 per ticket in sunny Liverpool.
It's £6.75 at the Odeon Manchester - hop on a train, you'll probably save money (and you get to spend some time in a superior city too! ;))
Quote from: SIP on 13 June, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
£21 per ticket in sunny Liverpool.
I'd expect shares in the cinema for that outlay.
I'd chip in, but I'm off to see Jurassic World of Warcraft en famille in the IMAX tomorrow night, and I briefly wondered if they thought I wanted to buy an actual dinosaur...
On that note though, this year so far I have seen two (good) Star Wars films, two (good) Marvel superhero films and now a new Jurassic Park film in the cinema, not to mention the enjoyable Bright and disturbing Annihilation over on Netflix... and it's only June. What a time to be a nerd!
It cost us £90 to see Jurassic World 2 the other day- tickets and drinks from the corner shop for our brood.
SBT
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 June, 2018, 03:42:05 PM
Quote from: SIP on 13 June, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
£21 per ticket in sunny Liverpool.
It's £6.75 at the Odeon Manchester - hop on a train, you'll probably save money (and you get to spend some time in a superior city too! ;))
Yeah if you stay on the train and get off in Sheffield!
See what I did.
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 13 June, 2018, 09:48:27 PM
Quote from: Dandontdare on 13 June, 2018, 03:42:05 PM
Quote from: SIP on 13 June, 2018, 01:13:10 PM
£21 per ticket in sunny Liverpool.
It's £6.75 at the Odeon Manchester - hop on a train, you'll probably save money (and you get to spend some time in a superior city too! ;))
Yeah if you stay on the train and get off in Sheffield!
See what I did.
Ha, city rivalry! Curse those Mancs! I'll let the Sheffield one go as I'm married to a Yorkie.
I did see it in 3d Imax I guess......so it's my own fault.
Odeon- booked online as well to knock a further 10% off and rack up 'points' towards free tickets along the path. At the one near in lovely West Bromwich it cost me approx 6.75 a head.
As for the fillum itself- loved it to bits. I'm a happy consumer of Star-wars and I'm quite enjoying wading through Rebels as and when I can catch episodes.
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 June, 2018, 08:54:22 AM
Oh my brothers, I can hardly breathe for dry heaving guffaws. Just reading anti-Disney "fans" waxing rapturous over Lucas interview nugget where he reveals his version of the ST would have been "microbiotic", i.e. about midichlorians. Apparently, this would have been FAR superior to TLJ, much revisionist chin-stroking reveals. Ignoring the fact that the PT would have done more with midichlorians if 'fan' outrage hadn't made them a popular synonym for childhood-r***ng, and overlooking that YOU'RE THE REASON LUCAS SOLD UP, MOOF-MILKERS.
Just read the two brief Lucas quotes (https://theplaylist.net/george-lucas-star-wars-sequels-20180613/). His assertion that his Episodes VII - IX would have finished
Star Wars forever is right in more ways than he probably intended.
I sort of wish he'd made them.
Quote from: Frank on 14 June, 2018, 05:42:01 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 13 June, 2018, 08:54:22 AM
Oh my brothers, I can hardly breathe for dry heaving guffaws. Just reading anti-Disney "fans" waxing rapturous over Lucas interview nugget where he reveals his version of the ST would have been "microbiotic", i.e. about midichlorians. Apparently, this would have been FAR superior to TLJ, much revisionist chin-stroking reveals. Ignoring the fact that the PT would have done more with midichlorians if 'fan' outrage hadn't made them a popular synonym for childhood-r***ng, and overlooking that YOU'RE THE REASON LUCAS SOLD UP, MOOF-MILKERS.
Just read the two brief Lucas quotes (https://theplaylist.net/george-lucas-star-wars-sequels-20180613/). His assertion that his Episodes VII - IX would have finished Star Wars forever is right in more ways than he probably intended.
I sort of wish he'd made them.
To be fair, the episodes of VII-IX that they have/will put out may well have finished them too!
In an act of madness I sneaked in a second viewing of Solo between work (just round the corner from the IMAX, how could I resist!) and seeing Jurassic World with the kids. Was secretly delighted to find that my son was in a snot with me when he found out I'd gone without him - he apparently prefers it to Rogue One, as, it turns out, do I.
This time the screen was superb, the cinema was air conditioned, and the seating comfy. Phew. The film is dark and washed-out, but with a proper projector you can still see everything, and it becomes clear as an artistic choice at best, a late-comers compromise at worst: an entirely different experience to the eye-straining murk UCI Tallaght inflicted on me. I could even tell which scenes were on which planets (had no idea we met Lando and Dryden on the same planet as the train heist...), and that Solo already had his chin scar, whereas I spent my first viewing waiting for him to get it...
And I still enjoyed it! Quite a lot! This time I tried hard to see the seams between Lord & Miller and Howard, but sheesh is it tricky. My feeling is that the smaller-scale set-based pieces, like the claustrophobic Mimban battlefield, or the Kessel corridors and (definitely) Dryden's yacht interiors, even a lot of the general cockpit stuff, might be all Howard's, as it all seems visually tighter and more formally scripted, and many of the characters we see there we never see elsewhere. That leaves the expansive outdoor shots, a lot of the Vandor/cantina stuff and probably all of Corellia, in L&M's hands. But honestly, it flows really well: none of the patchwork mish-mash you get in Rogue One or (shudder) Justice League.
Sadly Clarke is still flat as a pancake throughout, for some reason I felt she seemed to think she was in an instant coffee commercial, but Quira is an interesting enough character that it sort of evens out. Bettany and Newton however are just superb, head and shoulders above the rest: Dryden is a really great baddie, and I'm more convinced than ever that his facial scars (and signature double blades) are either a sign of respect, or an actual badge of a Capo in [spoiler]Maul's[/spoiler] Crimson Dawn: an extension of the branding process. Dryden's spaceship is the design highlight of the movie, I love it. And I've really warmed to Beckett as a character, very much his film.
So for an entirely unnecessary film, this turned out to be quite a lot of fun.
Yay!!!
It definitely is a fun film!
I actually thought Clarke upped her game for this film, compared to her very wooden performances in GoT.
I really, really liked it and look forward to watching again. I found the same issue with it being very dark and murky but assumed I just got a dodgy screen, but seems everyone is finding the same thing. It was akin to watching a 3D movie with specs on at times, just really dim where it seemed like a bright popping visual palette would have suited the feel of the film a lot more.
That aside though, another great Star Wars movie for me. Not sure where I'd sit it on my rankings alongside the mainline episodes but definitely wasn't up there with Rogue One for me, although that's not as damning as it sounds because I genuinely think I like Rogue One the most out of the post-Disney buy movies.
I found the darkness and contrast an issue during a lot of the Correlia stuff. I could make it or but it was a chore. I'm not sure if the latter scenes were as bad or my mind had just accommodated at that point. (Probably was better There were more day scenes, although the train sequence was quite murky.)
Strange. I saw Solo in 3D, which people often complain is too dark to begin with, and I didn't think the film was at all over-gloomy...
An aspect that hadn't really struck me before is the degree of connivance between the Empire and organised crime on show - something previously established by Vader's dealings with Fett in TESB. It seems like the Troopers on Corellia are doing Moloch's bidding at times (and taking bribes from scram-rats), Enfys Nest [spoiler]lumps the Empire in with Crimson Dawn as her enemies[/spoiler], and [spoiler]that Star Destroyer showing up so quickly at Kessel[/spoiler] makes more sense if they are actually working with the Pykes, rather than just appearing as soon as [spoiler]some droid shouts the word 'Rebellion'[/spoiler].
Clearly their interests should be somewhat at odds, what with [spoiler]Palpy's vengeful former apprentice pulling the strings of Crimson Dawn, and his minions raiding Imperial fuel supplies[/spoiler], but it's not like the Emperor has no history of false-flag operations. Maybe universal corruption and debasement is Palpatine's aim after all, rather than mere dictatorial rule.
Meant to add: seeing a Pyke (from the TCW cartoon) make the transition to live-action was pretty cool, as was seeing what was essentially the Rebels version of Kessel, and then there's you-know-who as well. Lot of potential for fun now it's clear that the 'Tales' films at least are taking the cartoons fully on board. Can a live-action Ahsoka in Obi-Wan be denied?
Do you think they'll proceed with any tales movies right now after this bombed? I'm wondering if Disney/Lucasfilm will wait on the box office from Episode 9 before they invest any further big money.
Quote from: SIP on 15 June, 2018, 04:27:34 PM
Do you think they'll proceed with any tales movies right now after this bombed? I'm wondering if Disney/Lucasfilm will wait on the box office from Episode 9 before they invest any further big money.
They're already moving on Obi-Wan — I hear there's an art department in full swing doing concept stuff right now.
I'd be surprised if the studio looks at Solo as anything more than a bump in the road — after all, it's not a bad film by any measure. Re-shooting an alleged 70% of it will have ballooned the budget to the point where Disney/Lucasfilm will probably be happy if the thing breaks even somewhere down the line.
If they drop a couple of stinkers in a row then I think they might reappraise the strategy.
I'm guessing Solo will have a good long tail for Disney that might lessen the sting, it's a solid film that bears re-watching. My real regret is that there isn't going to be a direct sequel - things were only really getting going by the end!
Quote from: TordelBack on 15 June, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
My real regret is that there isn't going to be a direct sequel - things were only really getting going by the end!
Agreed. I came out of Solo very much up for as many
"Han and Chewie smuggle shit and get into scrapes with the Empire" movies as Disney/Lucasfilm want to make...
Yup, I wish I could see the sequel too. I'm still certain it's the fan boycott that really killed it though. They are already frothing at the mouth with "I can't wait to NOT see the next one" and stating "I've never looked forward to not seeing a film so much", so it will be genuinely interesting to see what business episode 9 gets. It's far enough away that it may die down a little......but going on the current ramblings, I'm thinking episode 9 will under perform last jedi significantly.
Figures I heard this week say last jedi only sold just over half of the blu rays that force awakens sold.......though I would like to see more official sales figures. On top of the large drop off rate for last jedi, it's 700 million less in box office than force awakens, and then solo reportedly losing 80 million.....you have to wonder what they will pour into star wars over the next 18 months. If it was my business, I'd be feeling jittery. The trend is down at the moment.
Quote from: SIP on 15 June, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
Figures I heard this week say last jedi only sold just over half of the blu rays that force awakens sold.......though I would like to see more official sales figures. On top of the large drop off rate for last jedi, it's 700 million less in box office than force awakens, and then solo reportedly losing 80 million.....you have to wonder what they will pour into star wars over the next 18 months.
Red Letter Media are on the case: https://youtu.be/XQmKabdArUg
Quote from: SIP on 15 June, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
Figures I heard this week say last jedi only sold just over half of the blu rays that force awakens sold.......though I would like to see more official sales figures. On top of the large drop off rate for last jedi, it's 700 million less in box office than force awakens, and then solo reportedly losing 80 million.....you have to wonder what they will pour into star wars over the next 18 months. If it was my business, I'd be feeling jittery. The trend is down at the moment.
Looking at the bigger picture, no matter how well the sequels are received in a Star Wars trilogy, the initial film always seems to come first in earnings. The Last Jedi is in-line with the Star Wars
penultimate sequel pattern.
The Empire Strikes Back earned 30% less than Star Wars.
Attack of the Clones earned 30% less than The Phantom Menace.
The Last Jedi earned 30% less than The Force Awakens.
So far the third instalments
Return...and Revenge.. have made a bit more than their second sequel counterparts.
https://www.the-numbers.com/search?searchterm=star+wars
How Rogue One and Solo fit into this picture is more difficult to judge since there's an array of factors at play in the fortunes of each.
Good man, Joe - that fact-based analysis fits well with my own gut feeling. I remember well the realistation that AotC's box office had slumped badly from TPM's insane heights: although unlike TLJ, it largely deserved it. And did it hurt the numbers for RotS? Not really.
What's different about the TLJ situation is the perception foisted on us by loud and relentless internet criticism that it 'killed Star Wars', and that the Arch Bitch Kennedy's foregrounding of Ethnics, Wimmin and (worse) Ethinc Wimmin is part of a political war on the true (white, straight, wanker) fans. I know, I know, plenty of ye are as woke-liberal-cuck as the next man, and didn't like it for other legitimate and defensible reasons, but your voices are drowned out by the post-GamerGate narrative that uses you as buoyancy for their vile brand of entitlement.
Add that to the fact that a Solo origin story seemed like a terrible idea for a film (it wasn't, mea maxima culpa), and that it arrived just months after the last SW film and mere weeks after the last big nerd event movie, and it lacked both in-built goodwill and the savour of anticipation. It's sort of a miracle it hasn't done worse.
I've felt that the return to a Memorial Day Weekend opening was Disney's way of dumping/burying this movie, taking it out of the established pattern and firmly into Infinity War's shadow, so I doubt the box-office is going to come as any kind of surprise.
I guess it says a lot that so many people spend so long discussing a film / film series they don't like or no longer like or have no intention of seeing.
It just shows that even so called "bad" Star Wars is still important.
MCU has a long way to go before it becomes more important than Star Wars. Indeed for me it never will be.
Just so I am clear, I don't mean anyone on this forum and I don't think any Star Wars film is truly bad. Maybe disappointing compared to others in the series. Nor do I think TLJ or Solo will bring Star Wars to an end. After all TLJ is way better than TPM (IMO) and it survived that.
Going to the cinema and then buying the DVDs are mandatory for me. Can't say that about any other film series.
But...
QuoteLast Jedi killed Star Wars 'cos I don't like it!*
*Please note I'm being childish and snarky here, as I've noted many time here I
really like Last Jedi.
I guess we will all find out what the reality is in 18 months.
If I was a gambling man.....I'd bet that episode 9 doesn't perform as well as Last Jedi. That had the more removed viewers at least interested in seeing Luke. I think there will be far less general interest.
Quote from: SIP on 16 June, 2018, 03:48:58 PM
I think there will be far less general interest.
You could well be right, but by extension that suggests that the only reason a lot of people wanted to see new Star Wars movies was to see the old cast wheeled out to perform their old tricks - not even
new tricks, as the Leia Poppins backlash implies.
If Star Wars depended entirely on reprises from Hamill, Ford and Fisher, well that's a sad state of affairs. What I wanted of the old gang in the Sequels was force-ghost Luke
at most, and maybe the droids, so given that that's where we (eventually) are, and that I'm fully invested in Rey, Ben and Finn's stories (less so in Poe and Rose, although I like the characters) and I'm in a good place going into IX.
Countering that, my fears are now twofold, that Disney execs take fright and give us even more rehashed pablum, and that skilled as he is, Abrams has never yet written a satisfying ending to anything.
Episode 9 is the last movie in a series that has spanned decades, so it's
guaranteed a huge opening and even the hardcore haters will show up for it. There is almost zero chance of it making a loss and the only question that needs to be answered is "will it perform as well as the movie which preceded it?", which I shall answer in the spirit of The Last Jedi* and say "yeah probably."
Quote from: TordelBack on 16 June, 2018, 04:15:00 PMAbrams has never yet written a satisfying ending to anything.
Abrams said ages ago that Ray and Finn's stories won't be finished in Episode 9, although he does actually lie about the content of his work ahead of time ("He's not playing Khan", "the island is not purgatory", "we'll answer the Rimbaldi question" and "the island does not move" to name but a few classics) so maybe it'll all be wrapped up in a neat little box by the time the credits roll, though I wouldn't bet on it as I don't see branding-obsessed Disney as willing to let that opening scrawl/John Williams theme combo be put beyond their use.
* IE: the least interesting answer possible to any questions you may have.**
** which means it is actually the cleverest and most satisfying answer of all IF YOU ONLY UNDERSTOOD IT LIKE I DO.
Unlike Solo, Disney are going to market the unwholesome fuck out of Episode IX – and maybe they'll pull the trick that worked to boost Revenge of the Sith, The Force Awakens and Rogue One: putting Darth Vader in the trailer. If anything we'll be getting the whole End of a Saga montage in some trailers. That alone will be enough to pull the lapsed from every generation back into a cinema.
I don't think it ever expected or the point for this to be the end of the road for the new cast but the end of the Skywalker story,so there'll likely be more from those Master Luke flashbacks – we've had them in each episode so it's part of the Sequel format – along with his always inevitable force-ghosting.
That is a good trailer trick! Montage clips from the original films.....they did that successfully with the prequel trilogy. Good shout.
I think they need something nostalgic and stirring in the episode 9 trailer to drown out all the negativity that 'appears' to be floating about on social (and broader) media and youtube. I thought they might go with a Luke twist....but the old footage is probably a better tactic again.
Saw it yesterday (£4 in Cardiff) and thought it was excellent. Bettany stole the show for me but Glover came a close second. Didn't think it was a necessary film before hand but will be in the queue if there's a sequel
Report: The Star Wars Story movies are being put on hold:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-the-star-wars-story-films-are-being-put-on-hold-1826992769 (https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-the-star-wars-story-films-are-being-put-on-hold-1826992769)
I honestly don't know why so many people evidently want an Obi Wan Kenobi movie - is it purely because Ewan McGregor is now about the right aged to play him in a movie set around the timeline of Solo? Because that isn't really enough to hang a film on imo...
Quote from: radiator on 20 June, 2018, 08:06:57 PM
I honestly don't know why so many people evidently want an Obi Wan Kenobi movie - is it purely because Ewan McGregor is now about the right aged to play him in a movie set around the timeline of Solo? Because that isn't really enough to hang a film on imo...
Four words: Star Wars Spaghetti Western.
But Kenobi is a totally nothing character...?
Quote from: radiator on 20 June, 2018, 08:03:08 PM
Report: The Star Wars Story movies are being put on hold:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-the-star-wars-story-films-are-being-put-on-hold-1826992769 (https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-the-star-wars-story-films-are-being-put-on-hold-1826992769)
S'a rumour thus far. Don't really see Kenobi as a 'nothing' character,
Clone Wars showed his potential versatility, and we've no idea the kind of man he becomes during his exile, after his terrible failure, and before the door to redemption is opened for him.
Mad Max in Fury Road is a nothing character*, and yet...
Obi Wan could be a great movie, though admittedly I say that as someone who has long enjoyed films about hermit kung fu masters who have no time for the adventures that come knocking on their door.
* his only character bits are from the Mad Max videogame that George Miller worked on.
Quote from: radiator on 20 June, 2018, 08:18:04 PM
But Kenobi is a totally nothing character...?
Don't agree, but how much character does Blondie have in the Leone/Eastwood movies? Precious little in 'modern' terms. Still works.
Just as a background to my comments on the previous page.....my full time job is to advise businesses on where they are failing and how they should proceed.....I just can't see why any business would want to pour further money into a product where all financial indicators are bad.
Last jedi did make money, but it made significantly less than they expected it to .....its drop off rate was big. People generally didnt want to see it again. A theory backed up by its subsequently poor blu ray sales. Solo is losing a lot more money I suspect than they are owning up to. The budget is stated at £250m. It was likely more. Drop off rates are bad, blu ray sales are bad. Fan opinion is desperately poor. Public perception is bad. As I previously said - why would Disney invest more money into this without seeing the box office of episode 9? It's bad business.
If it was your money, would you invest in a business where all the trends are declining? I'd put my money into Iron Man 14 or the next Avengers film. Not Star Wars.
Ps. I support Star Wars......Solo and Last Jedi each got at least £100 of my money. I'm nyot a hater. I find the whole situation mildly depressing and I hope they save it somehow.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 20 June, 2018, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: radiator on 20 June, 2018, 08:18:04 PM
But Kenobi is a totally nothing character...?
Don't agree, but how much character does Blondie have in the Leone/Eastwood movies? Precious little in 'modern' terms. Still works.
Obi wan would be a great movie. I'd be there opening night......and at least once or twice more after that.....before I bought the blu ray.....and the t shirt.......and the hot toy......
Sigh. Lucasfilm.....take my money.
Disney have made many, many turkeys over the years, but they haven't let the miserable failures of Fantasia*, Black Cauldron, Treasure Planet or Mars Needs Moms stop them making cartoons. More germane to the convo, they didn't let John Carter becoming the Titanic of sci-fi flops scare them off making sci-fi franchises, as they just went out and bought Star Wars lock, stock and barrel.
* A flop at the time, as WW2 broke out and prevented the film playing overseas - even success in the US wasn't enough for it to break even, though it's obviously gone into serious profit in the years since.
But similarly they didn't go and make Fantasia 2, John Carter 2....etc.
They cut their losses and did something else.
They didn't throw good money after bad.
Disney also didn't give theatrical releases to sequels to mega-hits like Lion King and Aladdin, and walked away from the successful Narnia movies because they didn't own them outright. Disney are about the big picture and one flop means nothing to them in the context of Star Wars as a brand. They probably had plans made ahead of time in case Solo flopped big time.
Quote from: SIP on 20 June, 2018, 10:59:00 PM
Last jedi did make money, but it made significantly less than they expected it to .....its drop off rate was big. People generally didnt want to see it again.
Joe Soap set out figures upthread that showed the TLJ 'drop off' in revenue was similar to that experienced by TESB (the greatest movie ever made) and AoTC. Should Lucasfilm have packed it in 1980, or 2002? Should Disney walk away from a $4 billion investment?
The Solo thing seems like a scheduling and marketing failure more than anything, added to inflated costs from a crazy volume of reshoots - most of us who saw it enjoyed it a lot, despite having no real interest going into it, and I suspect more in that vein would be well received.
Quote from: SIP on 20 June, 2018, 11:21:39 PM
But similarly they didn't go and make Fantasia 2, John Carter 2....etc.
None of those ever made any money and Disney wrote off the JC debt almost immediately. Star Wars has made way more for them than it has ever lost so the death knell of the franchise being rung in some quarters is greatly exaggerated because of the financial loss of a troubled non-sequel spin-off.
Solo was a contractual obligation for Lucasfilm since Lawrence Kasdan only agreed to sign-on to Force Awakens if he got to make Solo - after he and Lucas hatched the spin-off idea previous to the Disney buy-out. The choice of the next spin-off after Rogue One may have been different otherwise. The buzz before Solo was bad, middling or non-existent on the fan periphery, so it never really penetrated into the world of the norms.
Previously noted, as drop-offs go, The Last Jedi is not a shocker in Star Wars financial history and the fall in percentage points is slightly less than Attack of the Clones.
Quote from: radiator on 20 June, 2018, 08:03:08 PM
Report: The Star Wars Story movies are being put on hold:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-the-star-wars-story-films-are-being-put-on-hold-1826992769 (https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-the-star-wars-story-films-are-being-put-on-hold-1826992769)
In other words: films that were never announced by Lucasfilm are still in development.
Just for clarity, I was talking about cinema attendance drop off rates, NOT comparing total box office of each movie to its previous movie. The drop off rates for last jedi were reportedly more than double (70-80%) that of Empire strikes back (20-30%) in its second week. The drop off rates were much higher than any star wars movie.
The suggestion is that Last Jedi made most of its box office in the first week, then people didn't go back. This is contrast to the longer cinema lifespan of all previous star wars films.
The implication would be, along with the subsequent blu ray sales and more split opinion surrounding the film, that it wasn't as well received as the 1.3 billion would suggest. The numbers would indicate that a lot of people were excited and rolled up to see it.....then never went back, and told lots of other people not to go either. Solo's poor performance could be in some part related to people's dissatisfaction with Last Jedi.
It would be silly of Disney to rest back and think everything is roses. I would think that Solo has clearly highlighted that everything is not roses.. ....and there were clearly indicators off the back of Last Jedi that were saying that.
As I said, we will find out in 18 months.....but I don't think the true picture of performance here is just lying in total box office numbers. There are underlying issues.
Quote from: SIP on 20 June, 2018, 11:21:39 PM
But similarly they didn't go and make Fantasia 2
They did, however, go on to make Fantasia 2000
I'm not advocating that Disney run around shouting that the sky is falling at this point, but I do think there are warning signs in what has happened since December and that it would be naive to assume everything is fine because Last Jedi made 1.3 billion. Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't.
Quote from: SIP on 21 June, 2018, 06:51:51 AM
Just for clarity, I was talking about cinema attendance drop off rates, NOT comparing total box office of each movie to its previous movie. The drop off rates for last jedi were reportedly more than double (70-80%) that of Empire strikes back (20-30%) in its second week. The drop off rates were much higher than any star wars movie.
Apologies SIP, misread you there.
(That may in part be confirmation bias on my part because the family and I went back 3 times, including twice to IMAX, and I bought the BluRay! I even bought some of the shitty 5POA toys, 'cos who could live without matching Rose & Paige Tico action figures. Now if only I could scare up a few quid for Tallie's A-Wing... )
Quote from: TordelBack on 21 June, 2018, 08:24:41 AM
Quote from: SIP on 21 June, 2018, 06:51:51 AM
Just for clarity, I was talking about cinema attendance drop off rates, NOT comparing total box office of each movie to its previous movie. The drop off rates for last jedi were reportedly more than double (70-80%) that of Empire strikes back (20-30%) in its second week. The drop off rates were much higher than any star wars movie.
Apologies SIP, misread you there.
(That may in part be confirmation bias on my part because the family and I went back 3 times, including twice to IMAX, and I bought the BluRay! I even bought some of the shitty 5POA toys, 'cos who could live without matching Rose & Paige Tico action figures. Now if only I could scare up a few quid for Tallie's A-Wing... )
Ha ha, you will certainly receive no judgement from me on that one, the amount of plastic tat that I own at this point!
It's a divisive debate to be sure.....the people who loved "it" appear to be frustrated by the people that hated it and vice versa. I just hope they don't kill off the franchise enough that we don't get any more films like "Solo", which I really enjoyed.
I want an Obi-Wan movie for the simple reason that it would be nice to see Ewan Mcgregor get a crack at the character under a decent director, with a decent script. I fear the problem is that Obi-Wan must surely be wallowing in survivor guilt/PTSD before he finds redemption as Luke's mentor. It won't make for a happy story, will it?
Quote from: wedgeski on 21 June, 2018, 09:06:49 AM
I want an Obi-Wan movie for the simple reason that it would be nice to see Ewan Mcgregor get a crack at the character under a decent director, with a decent script. I fear the problem is that Obi-Wan must surely be wallowing in survivor guilt/PTSD before he finds redemption as Luke's mentor. It won't make for a happy story, will it?
It will when he's reunited with live-action Ahsoka! Whatever anyone's feelings on the Sequels/Story films, even the ropiest performances are streets ahead of what passed for acting in most of the Prequels - so I'd agree entirely, seeing what a good actor like McGregor could do with a more 'modern' working environment would be a treat. But then they went with [spoiler]TCW's Sam Witwer for Maul[/spoiler] in
Solo, rather than the great [spoiler]Peter Serafinowitz[/spoiler], so who knows, they could go for James Arnold Taylor in a comedy beard for Obi-Wan...
My other main interest in a putative Obi-Wan movie is seeing how they avoid saying that name for its entire duration..
Quote from: wedgeski on 21 June, 2018, 09:06:49 AM
I want an Obi-Wan movie for the simple reason that it would be nice to see Ewan Mcgregor get a crack at the character under a decent director, with a decent script. I fear the problem is that Obi-Wan must surely be wallowing in survivor guilt/PTSD before he finds redemption as Luke's mentor. It won't make for a happy story, will it?
By the end of the film, he'll have learned to kill again! Just like the cop in Die Hard. Learning to kill Imperial Agents, assorted scum and Villainy plus the odd indigenous Sand People massacre will make heal Obi Wan's battered soul and make him whole again. It's that or 2 hours of Ewan McGregor crying then sitting bolt upright shouting 'Charlies in the trees!' while suffering Vietnam flashback style psychotic episodes. His film could be the Dr Strangelove of the Star Wars Universe: How I learned to love the Death Star and stop worrying.
Serafinowitz was fairly vocal in ripping the Phantom menace to pieces wasn't he? Probably why they went with Witwer.
Still, Ewan has put the boot in a few times in the past too.....fingers crossed he gets that obi wan outing.
Quote from: IAMTHESYSTEM on 21 June, 2018, 10:52:34 AM
Quote from: wedgeski on 21 June, 2018, 09:06:49 AM
I want an Obi-Wan movie for the simple reason that it would be nice to see Ewan Mcgregor get a crack at the character under a decent director, with a decent script. I fear the problem is that Obi-Wan must surely be wallowing in survivor guilt/PTSD before he finds redemption as Luke's mentor. It won't make for a happy story, will it?
By the end of the film, he'll have learned to kill again! Just like the cop in Die Hard. Learning to kill Imperial Agents, assorted scum and Villainy plus the odd indigenous Sand People massacre will make heal Obi Wan's battered soul and make him whole again. It's that or 2 hours of Ewan McGregor crying then sitting bolt upright shouting 'Charlies in the trees!' while suffering Vietnam flashback style psychotic episodes. His film could be the Dr Strangelove of the Star Wars Universe: How I learned to love the Death Star and stop worrying.
The 'Vietnam' angle would offer a nice descent in to the heart of darkness character ark, echoing Apocalypse Now, which in itself would be a cheeky nod to the fact that George Lucas was considering directing the film before Coppola took the reigns!
Jedi heads on bamboo sticks anyone? :lol:
They could do all sorts of stuff with an Obi Wan movie. Tattooine Western seems what people are after but he didn't have to spend the whole time there.
Just a pity McGregor is such a godawful actor.
Darth Maul has 2 lines of dialogue in The Phantom Menace or 31 words.
Tatooine is sparsely populated. If the homing trace is correct, I will find them quickly, Master.
At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.
Since Witwer was the one charged with turning him into an actual personality and the one fans would most identify the character with, bringing Serafinowitz back makes less sense. I found McGregor's Kenobi impression much worse - but the best Kenobi outside the original is in Rebels: https://youtube.com/watch?v=no4SxdIIDBE
Quote from: SIP on 21 June, 2018, 06:51:51 AM
The implication would be, along with the subsequent blu ray sales...
It's an incomplete picture, though. Blu-Ray sales were 56% down from The Force Awakens –in the US– but that is not an accurate picture in itself since general sales of all physical discs have dropped approx. 10% every year since 2015 because of the rise in subscription streaming and digital purchase, so unless you get the worldwide total including all platforms, it's hard to know what the actual 'sales' drop-off is.
I recall the only major concern was the dropoff in Chinese ticket sales, though that would likely have little to do with grumpy Star Wars fanboys as the property doesn't have the pop-cultural lineage over there that it does in the West.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 June, 2018, 01:28:32 PM
Quote from: SIP on 21 June, 2018, 06:51:51 AM
The implication would be, along with the subsequent blu ray sales...
It's an incomplete picture, though. Blu-Ray sales were 56% down from The Force Awakens –in the US– but that is not an accurate picture in itself since general sales of all physical discs have dropped approx. 10% every year since 2015 because of the rise in subscription streaming and digital purchase, so unless you get the worldwide total including all platforms, it's hard to know what the actual 'sales' drop-off is.
That's an excellent point Joe and not one that I had considered. I feel like maybe we'll need to look back at this in 10 years time to see what the whole picture actually was.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 21 June, 2018, 02:28:03 PM
I recall the only major concern was the dropoff in Chinese ticket sales, though that would likely have little to do with grumpy Star Wars fanboys as the property doesn't have the pop-cultural lineage over there that it does in the West.
I think the China thing is a red herring, not being popular in China certainly didn't impact on the box office of every other star wars film.
Quote from: SIP on 21 June, 2018, 02:59:07 PM
That's an excellent point Joe and not one that I had considered. I feel like maybe we'll need to look back at this in 10 years time to see what the whole picture actually was.
There's no doubt it's a more complex picture now with 3-4 generations of fans with differing opinions on what Star Wars should/should not be. I doubt I represent much of a median: I like the Originals, the Prequel cartoons, the Sequels/spin-offs – and
The Holiday Special.
Quote from: SIP on 21 June, 2018, 03:06:50 PM
I think the China thing is a red herring, not being popular in China certainly didn't impact on the box office of every other star wars film.
It's no red-herring: before 2015, Star Wars in China never really had a box-office (The Phantom Menace earned $4,100,273) and outside of the bootleg video market, the originals weren't seen for
donkey's years.Cue DM xenophobic headline:
A long time afterwards, in a country far, far away... China shows Star Wars in cinemas for the first time nearly four decades after the rest of the world (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3126784/A-long-time-country-far-far-away-China-shows-Star-Wars-cinemas-time-nearly-four-decades-rest-world.html)
When the Chinese government relaxed and allowed more foreign films to be released, The Force Awakens was the first time for the general audience in China to become familiar with Star Wars – which is why it had such a good turn-out, but also why they didn't return in such large numbers with each successive film: they realised didn't really like Star Wars. They don't have the cultural attachments to Luke, Han & Leia we do.
Of course that's probably what you meant anyway, SIP.
Expectations on China are huge for Western blockbusters; for one to fail in that market is a big financial gap.
I can only assume this is a parody account; it's funny if it is...actually it's still funny if it's serious:
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https://twitter.com/RMTheLastJedi/status/1009451938444914690
WELCOME TO THE REBELLION
This is a campaign to provide Disney an opportunity to course correct with the Star Wars franchise. The fans are completely divided and the core goal of Star Wars has been abandoned. The goal is to not make one half of the fandom happy over the other, it is to make a film that the fandom in general as a whole enjoys.
The hero archetype's of the original films is what made these so great, it made characters that everyone could relate to regardless of their background and beliefs. No longer having this core element along with poor storytelling, has made the franchise divisive and in disarray.
The producers behind this have pledged to cover the budget, but you can pledge an amount to have your voice heard. You DO NOT have to put financial or personal information in, just an email address and a pledge.
https://www.remakethelastjedi.com
I probably want to see that more than I wanted to see Last Jedi. How can you not want to see how this turns out?
I pray Disney calls their bluff. Never know, it could end up being the dark-side equivalent of Our RoboCop Remake (http://ourrobocopremake.com/Our%20RoboCop%20Remake)
Jesus wept.
QuoteSerafinowitz was fairly vocal in ripping the Phantom menace to pieces wasn't he? Probably why they went with Witwer.
Still, Ewan has put the boot in a few times in the past too.....fingers crossed he gets that obi wan outing.
One of my favourite Youtube clips:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwL8wlBMflA
Now hang on a minute......if we are remaking Last Jedi, can we change the ending of force awakens too please. Save Han! He flys away in the falcon with Leia and Chewie and they all live happily ever after
I pledge £1.
Quote from: I, Cosh on 21 June, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
They could do all sorts of stuff with an Obi Wan movie. Tattooine Western seems what people are after but he didn't have to spend the whole time there.
Just a pity McGregor is such a godawful actor.
I doubt the film is permanently on-hold but I can take or leave a Kenobi film; I'd watch it like any other SW film, and I'm sure it could be good, even great, but another outing with Ewan McGregor trying hard to be Alec Guinness didn't work too well in three Prequels, nevermind a fourth.
I think all spin-offs should be made for the future streaming service since that is the real arena where the big corporation game is being played with Disney seeking domnance over Netflix and why they're so set on buying 21CFOX.
Quote from: Professor Bear on 21 June, 2018, 04:37:06 PM
I probably want to see that more than I wanted to see Last Jedi. How can you not want to see how this turns out?
Oh Grud yeah. I'd pay double to see it. Quadruple if there was a "making of" feature running with it.
Remember Supershadow? It's Supershadow all the way down now.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 June, 2018, 01:00:34 PM
Darth Maul has 2 lines of dialogue in The Phantom Menace or 31 words.
Don't forget the tone poem. As TPM was the first truly multimedia film experience, you have to take on board all the trimmings.
But good point.
Quote from: TordelBack on 22 June, 2018, 12:20:48 AM
Remember Supershadow? It's Supershadow all the way down now.
The hunkiest of insiders.
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SOLO A Star Wars Story (Han Solo) Corellian Foot Chase Deleted Scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfVNFvbeZs)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 September, 2018, 03:59:02 AM
SOLO A Star Wars Story (Han Solo) Corellian Foot Chase Deleted Scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfVNFvbeZs)
Wait, Alden's playing Young Indiana Jones too?
Watched this again tonight and still very enjoyable. Love the low key ending and goodness it fair motors along. But there's just something missing from the action set-pieces that means they aren't genuine heart in mouth bits. (Trainheist better than I remembered it though)
I seriously don't get the detractors! This film is great fun!!!
It was disappointing because it was replacing our imagination of something cool with a less cool actuality.
If you follow the horror filmic logic that the scariest monster is the one you imagine, then it also follows that the idea of Han and Chewbacca meeting, or of the Kessel Run, or of Lando losing the Falcon in a card game is always going to be more powerful left in our imaginations, rather than presented to us.
Just as the idea of the Clone Wars was far more powerful as an unknown part of the mythos than when they presented it in a prequel. Meta-commerce suggested to the creators that it would be a great idea that Boba Fett's dad would the the clone that created the first batch of Stormtroopers. It's not a very big galaxy, that one far far away. (Also, that C-3PO was built by a young Anakin. There's only one word: pish.)
Why the fuck does Han have to accidentally bank role the entire Rebellion? (Only to later, clearly, not realize that he's done so?) More of that meta-decision policy that tries to interconnect absolutely everything in the saga so it feels like it's all happening to a small village of people.
The best prequel by far is Rogue One, because it utilizes new characters.
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There's no denying that your central point is true, but doesn't it also apply to everything after the original Star Wars? Jabba, Darth Vader's nature, the Emperor, Luke becoming a Jedi... Should they ALL have been left to our imaginations? There's certainly a good argument for that, but I'm very glad we got more on-screen adventures - and Solo definitely falls into that category.
For all that it was totally unnecessary, Solo was very good fun, and did you really have a better mental version of those card games, or the Han&Chewie meet-cute ("We make secret battle of pretend")? I don't think I did.
The thing is there are a million other possible stories to tell about a galactic smuggler and his various scraps with the law, gangsters and bandits and countless ner-do-wells.
To try to tell a single story to wrap up every line of dialogue that'd hinted at his past just feels reductive. You could have ignored all that and made it expansive.
I have to be honest, I've not yet seen it since I've been a bit disappointed with aspects of the new films. Not bitter just not blown away. Then again the same was true of the prequel trilogy so that might be some of it.
I get what Funt is driving at on one level. It's like the old argument that books are always better because they have better pictures. Then again, we're talking about what was originally a visual medium. I've not read much Star Wars novelisation but those that I've read have never really captured my imagination in the way that other writers have. Comic versions have been more successful for me although that might be more because of reading them back in the day.
I know that some of the Marvel SW stuff hasn't aged particularly well (Hoojibs?) but there were a number of stand out issues and with respect to Han, issue 50 (The Crimson Forever) has stood the test of time well. It demonstrated an understanding of the character that perhaps is lacking elsewhere. I would certainly offer it up as an argument against the quality of our imagination as superior.
Mind you, I might have misunderstood Funt's argument here. Is it more that in this particular case it failed to meet up rather than a more general statement?
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 20 October, 2018, 09:41:28 AM
To try to tell a single story to wrap up every line of dialogue that'd hinted at his past just feels reductive. You could have ignored all that and made it expansive.
Very true, but they did do a fair bit to open it up as well - in addition to all the predictable pedestrian elements you allude to, I was fully expecting Jabba, Boba Fett, Tatooine and Kashyyyk; instead I got Q'Ira, Beckett, Val, Rio, Enfys Nest and [spoiler]Robo-Maul[/spoiler], Mimban, Vandor and Savareen. As usual with these things, it's that new stuff I enjoyed most, but I have to accept that these prequel films are pitched squarely at nostalgic fans and existing IP exploitation (cue utterly gratuitous Star Destroyer and TIE fighter chase - don't the crime syndicates have (new) spaceships of their own?).
While Solo is far from a masterpiece it's way more entertaining and involving than it had any right to be, and a far better stab at Young Han than I could have imagined.
I just liked the experience of enjoying a new Star Wars film. What I could actually see of it, that is.
I enjoyed it a lot more the second time, at home rather than in Imax..
Quote from: TordelBack on 20 October, 2018, 08:14:29 AM
There's no denying that your central point is true, but doesn't it also apply to everything after the original Star Wars? Jabba, Darth Vader's nature, the Emperor, Luke becoming a Jedi... Should they ALL have been left to our imaginations? There's certainly a good argument for that, but I'm very glad we got more on-screen adventures - and Solo definitely falls into that category.
For all that it was totally unnecessary, Solo was very good fun, and did you really have a better mental version of those card games, or the Han&Chewie meet-cute ("We make secret battle of pretend")? I don't think I did.
First off: I did quite enjoy Solo, and made a rare trip to the cinema to see it (because Star Wars).
The idea of a hinted at past being best left in the viewers' imagination is not my saying that my mental version would be better than what the movie company came up with. It's that the unknown wins out over the known. In a horror movie, the fear of the unknown is worse than any actual monster. I'm suggesting that the cool of the Kessel Run (as spoken of as a past feat) is ultimately better than any actual Kessel Run.
I see what you mean that if I run too far with that logic I get to a place where there's no point in telling any stories ever: but I don't believe that. Jabba, Darth Vader's nature and so on: those were things that happened as we moved forward through the story to its conclusion (rather than things hinted at to provide a sense of history).
Someone's probably already pointed out that Lando's robot love is reminiscent of Lobster Random.
Quote from: Dr Feeley Good on 20 October, 2018, 05:06:35 PM
I enjoyed it a lot more the second time, at home rather than in Imax..
NECRO - this could have gone in the last movie I watched thread but felt best to keep it in context here... of and I didn't see it at an Imax first time, but otherwise with Dr Feeley Good on this. Finally watched it at home. I started it a while ago with the kids, but they drifted and we only got through the first hour... this says something about Star Wars not really being an event anymore for kids, who are given too much of a good thing maybe BUT that's a converation for another time.
Anyway so I watched myself over the last couple of nights and really enjoyed it. I found I was much more able to ignore the needless nods to lines of dialogue from the past. So it didn't need to be the Kessel Run for example, it was just a cool space chase, so let it go. Some key elements were bound, meeting Lando and Chewie but I'm cool with that.
Once I'd done that I relaxed and realised it just feels like a really fun Star Wars movie with all the right Star Wars bits in. Its just a fun space adventure.
Its inspired me to watch all the new movies again with fresh eyes... though whether I'll be able to bring myself to watch 'Force Awakens' again - maybe when I've watched the rest and I'm in a good Star Wars place I'll try again.
But yeah to the positive, really like Solo now, its no classic but really has a place in the Star Wars world.
I could live without that whole opening section, whch really super-duper felt like it was added in re-shoots (was it?). As soon as Han finds his way onto the Imperial battleground, meets Chewie and the gang, and tries to rob that train, things pick up immensely. Kessel I find kind of hard to believe; some more thought into how a small group could infiltrate one of the most notorious prisons in the galaxy would not have gone amiss.
And from there it's kind of a slow burn into mediocrity. Not awful, and having picked it up in a blu-ray bargain bin I'm okay with it on my shelf. I would like to be able to say more about a high-budget origin story for one of the best characters in sci-fi (by which I *almost* mean Chewbacca).
I still love it.
I picked up the 3D version, and while it's not the best 3D in the world it does really help with the murkiness of the film. It's easier to pick things out when they're not flat, if you know what I mean.