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As has recently been confirmed - the 2000ad Extreme Edition is no more, and will be replaced by a 'free' graphic novel that will come bagged with every future copy of the Judge Dredd Megazine as of issue 276. The graphic novels will match the dimensions and design of the current Rebellion range, but will be thinner (approx 60-70pg, so no spine). The first of these will be Judge Dredd: The Jock Collection, followed by (apparently) Snow/Tiger with issue 277.

So taking into consideration the length of said graphic novels, what else do we want to see in their pages? I'm talking quality 2000ad/Megazine series, that are too niche in appeal for a 'proper' graphic novel launch, but are still worth another look.

Here's my suggestions (sorry its a little Dredd-biased):

Judge Dredd: The Peter Doherty Collection (including Justice 1, Slow Crime Day, Bury My Knee at Wounded Heart, Death of a Legend, Night School, Simp City and others).

Judge Dredd: The Mike McMahon Collection (including some of his early annual stories, Future Crimes, Howler, Shaggy's Big Shoot, Voices Off.

Judge Dredd: The Greg Staples Collection (including Dead Reckoning, Awayday, Mega City Way of Death, Class of '79 and others).

Judge Dredd featuring The Taxidermist (all three taxidermist stories, perhaps split over two volumes).

Judge Dredd: Bad Manners

Heavy Metal Dredd

I'd also like themed Dredd collections based around recurring characters like Slick Dickens, Mrs Gunderson/Quite Nice Bar, The Angel of Mercy, The Branch Moronian (Hottie House Siege), Bishop Desmond Snodgrass, Crazy Barry, Little Mo etc.

I Was a Teenage Tax Consultant

Mercy Heights Volumes 1 and 2

Tor Cyan

Strontium Dogs

It'd also be cool if they used this as a way of finishing up the graphic novel series which are currently in limbo:

Robo Hunter: Farewell My Billions

Judge Anderson: The Early Cases, Postcards from the Edge

Sinister Dexter: Downlode Tales/Eurocrash






Ideally I'd hope that the contents are kept varied every month, so as to not to get bogged down as the EE did with month after month of the same material.

Quote from: "radiator"Judge Dredd: The Mike McMahon Collection (including some of his early annual stories, Future Crimes, Howler, Shaggy's Big Shoot, Voices Off.

Personally, I'd love for that to be a proper trade. McMahon's Dredd is one of the best, and his style has excitingly evolved over the years. This would be the one Dredd 'artist' trade that could hope to match the amazing Cam Kennedy one.

I agree with most of your other Dredd suggestions, although some of the other stuff I'm not too keen on. Frankly, I'd be happy to never see I Was a Teenage Tax Consultant again, and Mercy Heights was always a bit meh. (Now, more Medivac, I'd love to see, but that's almost certain to never happen.)

QuoteIt'd also be cool if they used this as a way of finishing up the graphic novel series which are currently in limbo:

How many pages is Farewell My Billions? I imagine that'd take several mini-trades. Anderson, on the other hand, would be an obvious choice, using a few of these trades to bridge the gap between the first proper trade and the Ranson-illustrated one (including The Random Man). Again, I'd prefer the complete Anderson in 'proper' trade form, but that looks unlikely to happen.

QuoteIdeally I'd hope that the contents are kept varied every month, so as to not to get bogged down as the EE did with month after month of the same material.

No more several-hundred-page sports stories, please!

My last post seemed to disapear, so apologies if this appears twice:

Also:

Mean Machine: Son of Mean

Durham Red: Island of the Damned/Deals/Night of the Hunters

Rogue Trooper: The War Machine

Balls Brothers (never read it - is it really as bad as everyone says?)

Atavar III

Judge Dredd: Fast Food

Chopper: Soul on Fire/Dead Mans' Curve

Chopper: Song of the Surfer

Mazeworld I-III

Missionary Man (Complete, or selected highlights, but just a volume every few months not all at once)

Wow.Was this in News?



I'd like to see, Raptaur and The complete Frazer Irving/Simping Detective, Lenny Zero, Bato Loco, LowLife and even Bix Barton.

Posting FIVER next week IP skint this one. Be assured it'll pop in the post when you most need it.

I'd like to see a Dredd volume of one off stories that don't fall neatly into artist or theme catagories. Off the top of me head:

Zombies
And the wind cried
Slick Dickens
John Cassavetes is Dead
Wounded Knee (natch)
Russell Muscle
That one with the eagles eating the body parts
Twin Blocks
Snozzburns
Harry Snotter

Can you spot the deliferate mistooks?

Oh yeah, Raptaur, I was going to suggest that as well. There was a sequel wasn't there - in a Poster Prog or something..?

Theres also the Jim Baikie-illustrated Dredd that ran in the first few issues of the Megazine (Midnite's Children..?)

Rats.
Now we'll never get to see Return to Armageddon.
I was hoping that would get the treatment that Meltdown Man got in Extreme. Can't see it being put in with the Meg, the length of it would prevent this and its too 'forgotten' to ever get a proper Graphic Novel. Seriously disappointing.

Quote from: "Krombasher"I'd like to see .. The complete Frazer Irving/Simping Detective, Lenny Zero, ... LowLife

With those forming parts of de-facto trades, I doubt this won't happen. Also, I seriously hope it won't—I'd be miffed at paying for a 64-page 'advert' for an existing trade that's already sitting on my shelf.

I'd also like to see:

Judge Dredd: Lawcon
Judge Dredd: Dead Ringer
Judge Dredd: The Three Amigos/Awakening of Angels would be an interesting, fairly obscure choice (though personally  I do actually own the Hamlyn edition)

Could someone remind me which Dredd strips Jock has illustrated. Off the top of my head, I can only think of: ...And the Shirley Temple of Doom, Crossing Ken Dodd, Ten Years(?), an episode of Dead Ringer and that scottish one from last year.

Judge Dredd: Lawcon

Didn't that just finish a few weeks ago?  Kerriste, I'm getting old...

Eight years isn't it?

Lawcon was April to July 2001. And considering that these Megs are top of a pile I need to sort out, this shows how much tidying up I need to do.

Jock + Dredd = SOLD!

Richard Elson collection, including Shadows.

Most of what's been mentioned I'd agree with, although there's a fair bot of it I'd rather see in TPB format.

On the whole, I think I'd rather wait to see how the first few oan out, before judging and prejudging what I want to see.

Quote from: "radiator"Oh yeah, Raptaur, I was going to suggest that as well. There was a sequel wasn't there - in a Poster Prog or something..?

1995 Mega-special


mazeworld I-III and Cannon Fodder I-II

See, here's my problem.  I'd greatly enjoy a mooted Elson collection, but I would hate to see a Raptaur collection, having enjoyed neither story nor art.  And I'd be forced to buy them both if I wanted to keep up with Dredd & Co in the Meg.  As a buyer of an anthology comic for more than a quarter-century, I understand taking the idea of rough with the smooth.  But not if it's rough I've already taken!  Not amused by this prospect.

I parrot myself yet again and say that i would like to see Blackhawk and Inferno.Harlem Heroes bigger nastier better looking older brother.One of the best in my opinion.

 A compendium of lots of the early future shocks would be good as well.

Quoterough with the smooth. But not if it's rough I've already taken! Not amused by this prospect.

Well I only got a bit of rough at the time as I was exploring the real roughs as part of research.

I think Dredd post Bisley or pre-emptive of Bisley doing him would look pretty smooth on my shelf. I think it'd be a coup if I got it free too.

Quote from: "peterwolf"A compendium of lots of the early future shocks would be good as well.

A Future Shocks collection is out later this year. I suspect that if it sells well, there might be another.

I agree with most of the choices on this page thus far and I really, really want return of the taxidermist (come on rebellion the olympics is this year and consider where it is and the controversy its caused the strip is dying to be reprinted)

Daily Star Dredds!

Taxidermist is worthy of a proper TPB rather than an EE.

Checked last night and Lawcon was only 48 pages long. Any ideas what will fill the other 16 pages?

Can I throw Luke Kirby's hat into the ring?

Quote from: "The Enigmatic Dr X"Can I throw Luke Kirby's hat into the ring?

Yes, but Alan McKenzie will sue whoever picks it up.

I'd like to see Glimmerrats. but that's already out in trades.

I'd like to see Harry 20 again.

There probably isn't enough SOONER OR LATER to make a whole mini-trade is there? Eh, pad it out with some of Brendan McCarthy's "Brit-Cit"-era Dredd stories, and bingo! It's a book.

Zenith and/or Big Dave, just to see the apoplectic look of fury on Grant Morrison's deep-fried heroin pie-eating bald face.
I'd also volunteer to wipe my arsehole with every last page of Final Crisis, but Morrison has beaten me to the punch.

Whack out The Scrap with some Spurrier scripted Shocks and some of Elsons one offs.

And Sinister Dexter. Plenty to chose from.

Quote from: "bad librarian"There probably isn't enough SOONER OR LATER to make a whole mini-trade is there? Eh, pad it out with some of Brendan McCarthy's "Brit-Cit"-era Dredd stories, and bingo! It's a book.

Alternatively, Sooner or Later plus Swifty's Return, although that might be too much.

Personally, I'd be happy to see a Brendan McCarthy Dredd collection from his exciting neon-nightmare period (such as the excellent She Devils).

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Quote from: "bad librarian"There probably isn't enough SOONER OR LATER to make a whole mini-trade is there? Eh, pad it out with some of Brendan McCarthy's "Brit-Cit"-era Dredd stories, and bingo! It's a book.

Alternatively, Sooner or Later plus Swifty's Return, although that might be too much.

Personally, I'd be happy to see a Brendan McCarthy Dredd collection from his exciting neon-nightmare period (such as the excellent She Devils).

SOONER OR LATER plus SWIFTY'S RETURN sounds perfect. How many pages would that run to?  Given the talent involved, maybe that'd work better as a "proper" book release.

Honestly I could do without it entirely. I notice that the claim it was "FREE" on the back of the Jock edition with #275 has been changed to "BAGGED WITH" on the Snow/Tiger edition with #276. Which is slightly more honest, seeing as the Meg has increased in price by £2 to cover the costs.

Thing is, I've been reading 2000AD as a regular subscriber for around 23 years. I've filled in all the holes in my collection so I already have everything they could put into an extra novelette thing unless they start going for stories not originally published in 2kAD/Meg. At least when it was Extreme Editions, I had the choice whether to buy something I already had (at least) once. Now if I want the new stuff, I'm forced to not only get reprints but to pay an extra two quid a month for it.

I appreciate that price hikes are common these days, but 40%? For the privilege of gaining nothing new at all?

I want the new stuff. I love the new stuff. But I'm loathe to be ripped off which is how I feel at present.

Rock. Hard place.

Chopper, all of it, start witIh the early black ankd whites and  keep goeing to the  end of the  classic supersurfs.

Judge Anderson, Childhoods End

Missionary Man -  Bad Moon Risinmg (I think, the story where the demon falls out of the sky, in fact any Missionary Man by that artist, they all stuck in my mind.)

There's so many random Judge Dredd singles, Freefall, Hot Pursuit and I wouldn't mind rereading any of Rouge Trooper.

Quote from: "Mosh"Honestly I could do without it entirely. I notice that the claim it was "FREE" on the back of the Jock edition with #275 has been changed to "BAGGED WITH" on the Snow/Tiger edition with #276. Which is slightly more honest, seeing as the Meg has increased in price by £2 to cover the costs.

Thing is, I've been reading 2000AD as a regular subscriber for around 23 years. I've filled in all the holes in my collection so I already have everything they could put into an extra novelette thing unless they start going for stories not originally published in 2kAD/Meg. At least when it was Extreme Editions, I had the choice whether to buy something I already had (at least) once. Now if I want the new stuff, I'm forced to not only get reprints but to pay an extra two quid a month for it.

I appreciate that price hikes are common these days, but 40%? For the privilege of gaining nothing new at all?

I want the new stuff. I love the new stuff. But I'm loathe to be ripped off which is how I feel at present.

Rock. Hard place.

I can understand the feeling - i feel it too!  That said, its probably not the full 2 quid, as theres more original material than previously that needs to be paid for - still, even paying a (plucked for the air) quid for the reprint isn't great for me.  Now, if it was Daily star Dredds, that'd be a different story....

And of course, if the new stuff was doing it for me, I probably wouldnt notice so much, but with only Wagner ticking all the boxes, its more apparent to my own wallet

QuoteI'd like to see Harry 20 again.

Well... I've always argued for a nice hardback, like Fiends of the Eastern Front and Button Man (which I wish ahd carried on with the same format).  It might be hard to argue for it if it wasn't that the strip was drawn by Alan Davis, one of the big all time comic book artists and it represents some of his earliest work.  Plus it's a cracking yarn.

I'll carry on hoping, but it is fading a little.  I do love the story.

For me, a reprint of anything in this new format, including Harry 20, isn't much use to me.  Sometimes the stuff inside is entertaining enough (Lawcon) but on the whole I don't really get it.

Quote from: "Bongo Jack"Zenith and/or Big Dave, just to see the apoplectic look of fury on Grant Morrison's deep-fried heroin pie-eating bald face.
I'd also volunteer to wipe my arsehole with every last page of Final Crisis, but Morrison has beaten me to the punch.

oh-oh!

Quote from: "Proudhuff"

Quote from: "Bongo Jack"I'd also volunteer to wipe my arsehole with every last page of Final Crisis, but Morrison has beaten me to the punch.

oh-oh! :)

Quote from: "IndigoPrime"

Quote from: "The Enigmatic Dr X"Can I throw Luke Kirby's hat into the ring?

Yes, but Alan McKenzie will sue whoever picks it up.

erm why?

Tweak, details are on Hipster's blog.

http://hipsterdad.livejournal.com/184225.html (http://hipsterdad.livejournal.com/184225.html)

I do wonder about McKenzie's statements. The suggestion must be that he wasn't contracted at all during his time on 2000 AD, or that the contract was, frankly, dreadfully written by idiot monkeys. Generally, when you work for a company, what you create there remains theirs, unless your contract specifically states otherwise. And so while Morrison perhaps has a case for Zenith (albeit not a watertight one) in that copyright was never technically assigned (which in itself is debatable—several of the publishers I work for state categorically that on completing and submitting a feature, they then get the rights, or at least joint rights), I fail to understand how a contracted employee would be able to use the same argument.

Quote from: "worldshown"Tweak, details are on Hipster's blog.

http://hipsterdad.livejournal.com/184225.html (http://hipsterdad.livejournal.com/184225.html)

Why can't people just answer a simple question without posting a link? I was also intrigued by this comment and followed the link, but I'm not going to spend an hour trawling through someone's blog to find out what someone else meant by a comment!

If you know what was meant by:

QuoteCan I throw Luke Kirby's hat into the ring?
Yes, but Alan McKenzie will sue whoever picks it up.

than please just say so! I still want to know what this means, but life's too short to play "hunt the reference"

Quote from: "dandontdare"life's too short to play "hunt the reference"

It's hardly a hunt—McKenzie posts in the thread linked to earlier. The gist, though, is that 2000 AD at the time worked on a fairly standard system of copyright reverting to the publisher upon payment. Some creators have taken umbrage at this, claiming that contracts were never signed. McKenzie is in this camp, saying that he never officially signed away rights to Luke Kirby. However, unless he had no contract as editor, I find it amazing that he wouldn't have a standard clause stating work he did was owned by his employer.

*sigh*

Why can't these people just have a meeting and come to some amicable, middle-ground arrangement? Say they're both right in this case and split the royalties equally. They all get a splash of dosh, we all get Luke Kirby back. Everybody wins. But no, I guess that's just too simple...  

I'd love to see some of the old comedy shorts again; things like Captain Klep, Dash Decent and Bonjo From Beyond the Stars. There may not be enough material there for a full collection, but I'd still like to read it all once more.

Oh, and I quite enjoy the books bagged with the Megazine, even though I already have a full collection of 2KAD and the Meg. Don't ask me why, I just like them.

Quote from: "IndigoPrime"Generally, when you work for a company, what you create there remains theirs, unless your contract specifically states otherwise.

I'm not sure (can someone check?), but I have a feeling that copyright and ownership work the other way?  i.e. unless your contract *specifically* says so (i.e. usually if you're specifically contracted as  "work-for-hire" or are "commissioned"), anything you create is yours until otherwise signed away?  i.e the contract must state that rights pass to the publisher (or whover).  I'm not just thinking comics here, just generally.  

That would mean if you create something first (probably as a freelancer) outside a contract and then later submit it to someone else for publishing, unless you pass rights the copyright still belongs to you.

Of course, any 'employer' with half a brain will make sure that this is in your contract if you're doing "work for hire" making it a moot point in most cases. But if there's no specific note of rights or ownership in your contract it means it's yours if you created it.

S.

My post was written in a haze. What I meant to say was that every single contract I've ever had put in front of me had a rights clause in it, stating that whatever I did for a company was theirs, full-stop. Also, with publishing today (and during the nine years I've been freelancing), every publisher has a generic rights-reversion clause, which states that your work becomes theirs (either exclusively or non-exclusively, depending on the publisher) upon a certain action being taken (either your acceptance of the commission, your submission of the work, or your acceptance of the payment). This is whether or not you've signed a de-facto contact and is binding. The exceptions are when something isn't run (in which case you tend to get a kill fee) or when something is outright rejected.

Unless Fleetway had the most stupid lawyers and legal team on the planet, I can't really imagine the rights issue being such an open and shut case on behalf of the contributors, but more so for the in-house team. There's probably room for argument, but unless there really were no contracts whatsoever for the in-house editorial team, I can't really see how McKenzie can make the argument he's making. Clearly, however, I (and we) don't have all the facts, so this is just speculation.

Well, if I can get over the blow to the ego of dandontdare not wantin' to read my scrotnig blog (sob!), I can venture a guess as to the answer to shark's question about why Rebellion and McKenzie (or Morrison, or Robinson) have not had a sitdown.  Flatly, I don't think that this is an argument that's going to be settled without attorneys in court, and it's not an argument that Rebellion can afford to lose.  If the courts decide that McKenzie does have all rights to Luke Kirby, then Morrison will file suit for Zenith, and any other freelancer who created a strip prior to Rebellion's takeover (which came with some more crystal-clear contracts spelling these things out so nobody can get upitty) can also file suit to take back whatever they wish.

So by going to court to emphasize the rights to sell a couple of thousand copies of a Luke Kirby graphic novel, Rebellion risks losing the rights to, well, Judge Dredd.  Worth the risk?  Some attorney has suggested it probably isn't.

Quote from: "Grant Goggans"Well, if I can get over the blow to the ego of dandontdare not wantin' to read my scrotnig blog (sob!),

Soz mate, nothing personal!  8-)

Blogs aren't written to be read! I do mine as a sort of private diary that I know is kept safe by the virtue of it being freely available online.

As for trawling through it for one reference try pressing 'control + f' and typing 'McKenzie' Hey presto there it is!

I suggested this for the EE's but suppose that it applies to the GNs now. I think they'd work best if they supported what is currently going on in the Prog or the Meg. It would have been ideal to have had a 'Mutant Law' GN containing rare tales showing the pros and cons of mutant issues - 'Gripper's Big Day Out', 'The Wall', 'Strange Case of Bill Clinton', etc. This would have added even more impact to the already powerful mutant arc.

If you cast your mind back, this was how the EE's started and it worked really well. We had the brilliant PJ Maybe EE just as the Mayor Ambrose thing kicked off, meaning that we all were reminded of PJ's horrible past just as he returned, it definately piqued my inteest. I know at some point there's an Armitage one coming up as well as a new strip in the Meg, normally I'd probably skip the tale but I think I'll read it if I'm more in tune with what went on in the past. Similarly, even though I'm not that keen, if the Dreddcon one has been re-printed to have something to do with the Lawlords then I'll be more interested in what happens. Dreddwise, I'd be happy to see a collection of Angel of Death or Mrs Gunderson tales to support a bigger strip in the Prog or Meg.

So that's what I'm asking for, a GN that supports a character, issue or theme coming up in either publication. I think if this model was followed then it may appease many readers who don't want 'em.

On the question of Luke Kirby and staff contracts at Fleetway, I went on staff the same day as Alan Mackenzie [April 1, 1992 to be exact]. Alan created and wrote the original scripts for Luke Kirby on a freelance basis long before that date [the mid 1980s, if memory serves].

Now, I can't speak for the contents of his contract, but mine certainly did not include any clauses that retrospectively laid claim to any freelance work I'd done for Fleetway prior to going on staff [e.g. co-creating Armitage with Dave Stone & Sean Phillips].

My Fleetway contract did have a clause laying claim to anything I created for the comic while working in my editorial capacity and I was fine with that, knowing it to be the case when I went on staff.

Obviously, this is merely my experience, Alan's mileage may vary and I wouldn't dream of speaking on this behalf.

davidbishop

Is it just me or is there something not quite right with issuing a legal contract on april the 1st? (Subsplots just proved to him self he's way too cynical.)

At some point between next year and the end of time, volume 3 of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is coming out. To coincide with that I'd love to see a Kev O' Neill themed collection, with the sublime Bonjo From Beyond The Stars, Dash Decent, lots of colour covers and annual stuff and rarely seen early bits and bobs. I'd buy two, maybe three

1.) How about some classic colour stuff from the Sci-Fi Specials/Mega-Specials? If they're available...

2.) Jose Casanovas (with and without his son) did quite a few strips in the Annuals (Max normal?) and there was one about a sentient hotel too... a collection of his stuff would be very nice!

3.) [my favourite idea] Glenn Fabry Dredds are very few and could stand collecting, along with his various (Dredd's world) covers/pin-ups. It will need to bolstering with another artist maybe Duncan Fegredo would be a nice match.

howzabout an Artie Gruber collection, bringing together all the Harlem Heroes & Inferno stories featuriong this fave villain.

I demand a "boob" special fucking yesterday.

Quote from: "Wils"Daily Star Dredds!

Yup, seconded, great idea.

Were there more of the Metro ones (by Andy Clarke et al) than the reprints that made it into the meg?

Metalzoic

Quote from: "fatalfish"Metalzoic

Now yer talkin. Though I think there is some kind of wrangle in that its creator/joint owned by DC or some such legal jargon?

Would be a treat to have it collected though.

It's DC-owned, meaning Geoff Johns will probably have the Superboy of Earth-Seven rip off Amok's arm and beat up the Star Slammers with it in the summer 2010 crossover.

I like Kevlevs Glenn Fabry Dredds idea. Stainless Steel Rat might be nice too.

M.A.C.H. 1

That appeared in the EEs not that long ago—I can't see the Meg reprinting recent reprint.

Sin Dex. The episodes omitted from the tpbs please.

Quote from: "IndigoPrime"That appeared in the EEs not that long ago—I can't see the Meg reprinting recent reprint.

I'll get me coat...

I would really like to see a collection of Hickleton Stories - preferably including the one about the Nosferatu woman.

QuoteIt's DC-owned, meaning Geoff Johns will probably have the Superboy of Earth-Seven rip off Amok's arm and beat up the Star Slammers with it in the summer 2010 crossover.

Its earth prime and I hate myself for knowing that

The SSRat collection idea got talked about in the Panel, Cyber Matt seemed to think it possible, as Rebellion would own the rights to the art, but not the rights to the character. Maybe an email to Harry from the command module would be welcome?

I asked about a collection of Mrs Gunderson strips, no idea if it would happen or not.

Legends of the Law. Only the Wagner and Grant early issues.
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It was interesting reading these longer Dredd tales which had different Wagner/Grant pacing in comparison to the short episodes we are used to. Shame that we don't get longer Dredd tales. Could make for some interesting stories where Dredd doesn't have to make an appearance every six or so pages.

Not sure what the rights are regarding these.

And forget the post Wagner/Grant issues. Fargo dressed in a cardigan sitting behind his wooden desk bureau. Or something like that which didn't work. Like an dream when things are a slightly familiar but odd.

Quote from: "SuperSurfer"And forget the post Wagner/Grant issues. Fargo dressed in a cardigan sitting behind his wooden desk bureau. Or something like that which didn't work. Like an dream when things are a slightly familiar but odd.

There were two DC series, one of which was a continuity 'reboot' that was shockingly bad, and the other was a fairly straight take on 'current' Dredd. That said, the extended tales were, to my mind, worse than anything Wagner-scripted that had appeared in 2000 AD.

After a quick search it seems a lot of people, myself included would like to see' Return To Armageddon' again

Also Luke Kirby if it ever gets resolved

A collected Tales of the Black Museum maybe?

Still wants me canon fodder: dark matter

Peter Milligan collection, compiling of Shadows and Sooner or Later

Shadows: 55pages
Sooner or Later: 39 pages
Swifty's Return : 16 pages

or make it an Elson collection, and include:
Shadows: 55 pages (Milligan)
The Scrap: 30 pages (Spurrier)
Go Machine: 15 pages (Ewing)

too many pages for a meg gn

(saying that I would love to see a shadows one though)

I thought they were about 100pp (give or take).

Seems they are only about ½ that.

they are about 60 pages long I think

I'd like to see all the pages from the dummy prog 0 at a readable size. Would there be enough other 'aborted' material to fill up a never seen before supplement?

A Kevin O'Neill special:

• Dash Decent
• Captain Kelp
• Bonjo from Beyond the Stars

Throw in Shok! and and his two Future Shocks.

Quote from: "The monarch"they are about 60 pages long I think

Its a shame that these do seem to be only limited to 60 odd pages long as in the long term i can this being subject to the law of diminishing returns.

Its like you might write up a list of unpublished strips that you want to see published in a Meg GN and then you find that X amount of them wont happen because of the page count regardless of how good the strip is.Its alright if you want to compile a special out of unpublished odds and sods but you can only do that so much as well.

The size of the publication is a bit of a problem but its tolerable as it is free * *except the cost of it is factored into the cover price but i can see the 60 page format becoming a problem unless a strip is split into 2 issues but then if its something that isnt very popular then others are going to object to 2 GNs of the same strip.

So in my opinion the page count in a single Meg GN should be able to go up to 120 pages or less as the need arises.

The reason i say this is because it was touted as a sort of replacement of the EE but it falls well short of being that.

I like the Bonjo/ Decent/ Klep idea.

I'd also really like Return to Armageddon- it was shouted for often enough under the Extreme Editions banner but never appeared.

Am I the only one who utterly fails to see any point in Dredd reprints*, as they'll be amply covered in Case Files?
I would have thought that priority would go to strips that will not get reprinted in 'GN/ TPB/ Whatever the latest jargon is' format.



*Unless they are Megazine Dredds

Quote from: "Dog Deever"I like the Bonjo/ Decent/ Klep idea.

I'd also really like Return to Armageddon- it was shouted for often enough under the Extreme Editions banner but never appeared.

Am I the only one who utterly fails to see any point in Dredd reprints*, as they'll be amply covered in Case Files?
I would have thought that priority would go to strips that will not get reprinted in 'GN/ TPB/ Whatever the latest jargon is' format.



*Unless they are Megazine Dredds

Kind of thinking the same thing.

Quote from: "Dog Deever"Am I the only one who utterly fails to see any point in Dredd reprints*, as they'll be amply covered in Case Files?
I would have thought that priority would go to strips that will not get reprinted in 'GN/ TPB/ Whatever the latest jargon is' format.

Agreed. Of all the strips in 2k, Dredd is hardly the one most crying out for reprinting. I like seeing Dredds from annuals and specials that I'm unlikely otherwise to ever see, but when it's juts reprints of prog Dredds... rather see other strips, to be honest.

As long as the "other" strips are only 60 pages long.

Quote from: "Dog Deever"I like the Bonjo/ Decent/ Klep idea.

I brushed off the Yearbook 1992 which reprints Dash Decent on better quality paper than the original bog roll  and while the humour is... weak I think the main reason for the reprint is Kevin O'Neill's art and it still stands up well, as a nice contrast to his more....  "disturbing" work.

Quote from: "Emperor"

Quote from: "Dog Deever"I like the Bonjo/ Decent/ Klep idea.

I brushed off the Yearbook 1992 which reprints Dash Decent on better quality paper than the original bog roll  and while the humour is... weak I think the main reason for the reprint is Kevin O'Neill's art and it still stands up well, as a nice contrast to his more....  "disturbing" work.

What I forgot to say was, while the humour is a bit flat when serialised a page (as you'd need a good comedy nugget on each page) at a time it works better as a single piece because it builds to a conclusion based on a big pun.

Hows about Holocaust 12?

Doomlord from the reinvented eagle comic back in the 80's






V

Quote from: "vzzbux"Doomlord from the reinvented eagle comic back in the 80'






V

as long as they stop at the photo strips! -shudder!

Didn't Doomlord start with the photo strips, though?

Yes it did and by god it was awful.





V

I've a feeling I might be in a minority of one here, but I'd really quite like to see Dinosty reprinted.

Also, Mazeworld (might be a bit long, though).

Mazeworld's 30 episodes.  That's wanting a proper book.  They'll need to work out a deal with Ranson and Grant, as it's creator-owned.

Judge Dredd: Lawman Of The Future, the best of. Especially that Alex Ronald Death story. On the ground that surely not a large percentage of the readership will have seen them.

Actually, I'd take a single 'Case File' edition, with them all in.

Steev

Quote from: "Grant Goggans"Mazeworld's 30 episodes.  That's wanting a proper book.  They'll need to work out a deal with Ranson and Grant, as it's creator-owned.

I think I only caught the first run of episodes originally so I wasn't sure how much more of it there was. Quite a bit more than I thought, it seems!

all the above!
luke kirby/summer of magic etc? please

Of all the stories Id really like to see Blackhawk reprinted

Quote from: Swerty on 15 October, 2009, 11:20:38 AM
Of all the stories Id really like to see Blackhawk reprinted

I'd love to see the Tornado 'Blackhawk' material reprinted as I don't own that. Does anybody know if there's any rights issues with the Tornado stuff (or Starlord for that matter?)

I'd also second SBT's suggestion, particularly if there's Alex Ronald art involved. Its reprinting material like this that would get me picking up the Meg, material from outside 2000ad itself.

Quote from: eggonlegs on 21 June, 2009, 11:52:07 PMluke kirby/summer of magic etc?

Mired in legal hell, sadly.

How about some lovely Big Dave?

in a deeper pit of legal hell than luke kirby

A Valentines day special with the three Bella Bagley stories backed up with either more Gibson drawn strips or that Kitson drawn Daily Star Dredd where the journalist falls in love with Dredd.

I'd really like to see The Scrap and Roadkill get reprinted, as they are two of my all-time favourite 2000AD stories.

The Driver and Dinnerladies From Hell, from Toxic.

Oh yes.

SBT

Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 October, 2009, 01:15:09 PM

Quote from: Swerty on 15 October, 2009, 11:20:38 AM
Of all the stories Id really like to see Blackhawk reprinted

I'd love to see the Tornado 'Blackhawk' material reprinted as I don't own that. Does anybody know if there's any rights issues with the Tornado stuff (or Starlord for that matter?)

I'd also second SBT's suggestion, particularly if there's Alex Ronald art involved. Its reprinting material like this that would get me picking up the Meg, material from outside 2000ad itself.

Didn't the first Stronty case file include Starlord stuff?

Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 October, 2009, 01:15:09 PM

Quote from: Swerty on 15 October, 2009, 11:20:38 AM
Of all the stories Id really like to see Blackhawk reprinted

I'd love to see the Tornado 'Blackhawk' material reprinted as I don't own that. Does anybody know if there's any rights issues with the Tornado stuff (or Starlord for that matter?

If the mag in question was merged with 2000AD at any point, then the entire back catalogue is property of Rebellion. So yes, all Tornado and Starlord material could feasibly be reprinted.

Then bring on the Starlord/Tornado goodness, Tharg.  And quickly.

Carrying on from the above posts (well on the previous page) What would be a good idea is if Prion brought out a maasive book of Tornado and Starlord. I think they both went on for just 26 issues but I could be corrected.
They could do it in the way they have done with 2000AD and Dredd but because of the small amount of issues put every story in.

I definately think that reprinting this older material would be of interest to more non-Dredd readers as fewer people will have the material. If there was the prospect of getting this stuff in the 'graphic novel' £4.99 for the Megazine becomes far more of an option for me, well almost a necessity

This old Starlord/ Tornado idea is a good one- I've read a few Starlords and I'd like to read them all, plus get a look at Tornado. I think I had one of those.
Is it really as cut and dried as 'if they merged with 2k then Rebellion owns the rights to their back catalogue'?
I mean- you'd think it would be, but is it?

Both Starlord & Tornado ceased publication after 22 issues and a Summer Special each.

Great idea if Rebellion does have the rights to these publications!

Beware though because Blackhawk in Tornado was very different to Blackhawk in 2000ad.

Be careful what you ask for but you might like it but i thought it was execrable mainly because of the Azpiri artwork.

Quote from: blixab on 25 October, 2009, 06:04:28 PM
Both Starlord & Tornado ceased publication after 22 issues and a Summer Special each.

Great idea if Rebellion does have the rights to these publications!

Well in another thread its just been pointed out that in the Strontium Dog Case File (not the right name I know) apparently the Starlord issues are included so I'd guess therefore Rebellion does own the Starlord material at least. Gives us hope.

Heh!- Rebellion don't even seem to be sure about owning the rights to characters that appeared in their own comic (Big Dave, Zenith etc.) so I won't be counting any chickens. The most disheartening thing about it is that if there is any doubt, the status quo will remain. It's too risky and expensive for any other way. I can understand that.

Great if they did do it though, certainly better than the stuff that's been getting the reprints.
Over the course of this whole '£2 bagged reprint comic' in the Meg its been pretty grim stuff. I've only read a couple and paid for them all- it's not the cash, I can afford an extra £2 a month (hell, I could even afford to get Empire or SFX if I actually gave a spiky shit aboot film reviews), it's the principle behind forcing loyal readers to blindly buy something without choice, and then filling it with rubbish they don't want to read.

Re-printing stuff we actually want would go a long way toward fixing this.

Might be nice to have a collection of first episodes of various classic 2000ad characters.

Also reprint origin stories ie Hammerstein War Tales, Milli-Com Memories, Selected episodes of Portrait of a Mutant, Origins etc.

My understanding regarding rights issues for related publications is that Rebellion owns the rights of any character that transferred to 2000 AD, along with material that featured in sister publications, but not characters (and therefore material) that didn't make the leap.

That sounds right to me as well, Indigo.

It does mean that a decent reprint of the early BlackHawk would be possible too. Was that Bellardinelli product?

Quote from: Bolt-01 on 26 October, 2009, 02:32:28 PM
That sounds right to me as well, Indigo.

It does mean that a decent reprint of the early BlackHawk would be possible too. Was that Bellardinelli product?

Its not unfortunately.I dont have every issue of Tornado comic but every issue ido have that features Blackhawk which was the flagship strip of the comic the only artist is Azpiri who i dont know anything about.

Wasn't it mainly Azpiri, who also did some of (I think) Death Planet in Starlord (and IIRC at least one Ant Wars)?
Not sure, as I didn't see it, but I'm sure I've read that somewhere. Probably somewhere in this forum!

I very much liked Azpiri's stuff too- it has a fluid look distinctly different from Massimo's fantastic but occasionally 'stiff' artwork. Not as detailed and imaginative as Bellardinelli's though.

See now, this is why it needs reprinting- hand it over, greenbonce- or we shall pay Cyber-Matt to pop a cap in your alien bottom and get those Men In Black nobbers back!

See, something like this would entice me to buy. My Meg purchasing is erratic because, unlike the weekly, you aren't guaranteed something worth reading so I like to flick through. This stopped with the bagging, which lead me to resent the floppies slightly. This was only excacerbated (sp?) by their being either poor r stuff I already own. The likes of the Tornado stuff would be something special. A selling point in it's own right.

While I'm here, I don't know if this has been mentioned here but does anyone find it odd that the flopies are always bagged face inwards so you can't see the covers through the bag? What's that about? I know it's a litte thing but can we all agree that a nice cover helps sell comics? A couple of lines of text perhaps less so.

I've always thought it odd that the floppies were turned face-in. Surely an extra cover on show on the shelf is a good thing.

Unless Rebellion are worried that the shop assistanrs will stock them the wrong way round...

Quote from: Dog Deever on 27 October, 2009, 01:44:21 AM
Wasn't it mainly Azpiri, who also did some of (I think) Death Planet in Starlord (and IIRC at least one Ant Wars)?
Not sure, as I didn't see it, but I'm sure I've read that somewhere. Probably somewhere in this forum!

I very much liked Azpiri's stuff too- it has a fluid look distinctly different from Massimo's fantastic but occasionally 'stiff' artwork. Not as detailed and imaginative as Bellardinelli's though.

See now, this is why it needs reprinting- hand it over, greenbonce- or we shall pay Cyber-Matt to pop a cap in your alien bottom and get those Men In Black nobbers back!

Death Planet was drawn by Lopez.

Link to page of Death Planet:

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:lEJepKuRE5MJ:cgi.ebay.co.uk/DEATH-PLANET---Cool-2000AD-Original-Artwork!_W0QQitemZ190303509333QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20091014%3FIMSfp%3DTL091014163001r28404+death+planet+2000ad&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

I did a bit of research and found out the artist in question is Alfonso Azpiri.

Article :

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:8MpeTH7_mwgJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_Azpiri+alfonso+azpiri&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

Google the name and there are lots of images and galleries.

I've done a bit of research on Azpiri... mainly to get another look at his work again.
I was looking up some old Starlord stuff online, and it appears I have my deadly planets mixed up- it was 'Planet of the Damned' Azpiri drew a couple o' episodes of- not Death Planet.
Hell, it's been a good while since I read any Starlord stuff other than Stront Case Files...

If anyone cares, I can check up on the Any Wars EE, I'm sure he did a couple of episodes of that too. If I don't, it will only eat away at me like Sc*j* scripts on a forum!

how about halo jones or the helltrekkers :-\

Halo Jones is out already in a proper GN, it's the sort of thing people will pay for (so why give it away for nothing) and it's too large to fit into a floppy.  That's just a selection of reasons why THAT one won't happen. 

I think Rebellion are using these to reprint stuff that the hardcore fans and new arrivals will want to see but that wouldn't sell if given the proper GN treatment.  For example, Armitage has it's fans among Dredd/Twoth readers, but nobody else would have heard of it - hence collecting it again in a few floppies.  It gives new arrivals a chance to catch up with history of a character they'd only have the opportunity to do if they went hunting for early 90s megs - a massive undertaking.

Helltrekers?  No thanks.  Bad enough the first time.

Helltrekers was a fine story and had me gripped throughout. A reprint would be much appreciated.





V

Yeah, but wasn't Helltrekkers reprinted in the Meg just three or four years back?

Yup- 2004, around the same time as Charley's War. I was just reading a bit while I was in the bath. It went on and on for several issues, with several episodes in each. I really don't think it would be fair on long-time Meg readers to print it again, so I'm voting Emphatically No on that one. Fair enough, bring it out as a collected gn- but not in the Meg again.

Besides, it wasn't that good. It was ok but hardly a classic.

Surprised to see The War Machine next month. I'd have thought that would have been good enough for a proper trade. Oh well.

Apparently the whole Friday thing has been deemed "a mistake" despite being, apart from Fleisherk's run, among the best-written Rogue stuff. 

The original series should have ended after they caught the Traitor General (John Smith's Cinnabar & Rennie's revival run excepted naturally, cos they were ace and actually had characterisation).

I can only hope that the GOOD Friday stuff is lined up for reprint in the floppies in the future too.

What Mike said.

Friday gets far too little respect. I've said it before butit bears repeating, Steve White deserved a medal for pulling that strip together and for it to be cancelled out from under him was a crying shame.

Friday was a more compelling character (as were his biochips, although I initially thought it was a mistake to reintroduce them) with more about him.

And, best of all, the names of the lead character, his comrades and his enemies didn't give away the whole plot as somehow being predestined amd childish. 

As a bit of fun, and just to see if I can do it, I've been trying to write  a Rogue script, in the form of a tv pilot rather than a movie though. I'm still at the point of having lots of scribbled notes and no finished pages, but the biggest problem I'm having is indeed the character names. I have a bodge in mind but it's hardly perfect.

I realise the above may mark me as a sc*jo candidate but have no fear, it's just for fun and I won't be posting huge excerpts on here and pestering Rebbellion.

Good man.

Just adopt the NAMES used in The War Machine version, it doesn't mean you're being any less old-school. 

I wanna see Al's Baby 2!

Also, Helltrekkers was REALLY good. I wouldn't mind seeing it again in one handy volume.

Rise o thread of the past.

Just thought I'd add, I wouldn't mind seeing all the Max Normal stories in a free GN.

I'm thinking of the Jose Casanovas ones.

Steven.

And the Walter the Wobot ones, daft as they were.

Bonjo From Beyond The Stars
Dash Decent.

That is all.

SBT

Quote from: Jared Katooie on 09 November, 2009, 07:34:48 PM
Also, Helltrekkers was REALLY good. I wouldn't mind seeing it again in one handy volume.

Ditto. Helltrekkers was just crackingly good.

Yeah- Helltrekkers. That would be worth seeing again.

The Megazine already reprinted Helltrekkers a few years back, though.

I want to see HellTrekkers II

jesus redondo back in the prog...c'mon tharg it has gotta be time for return to armageddon...please?

Quote from: mogzilla on 09 June, 2011, 09:53:15 PM
jesus redondo back in the prog...c'mon tharg it has gotta be time for return to armageddon...please?

Seconded

Floppie -- uhuhuhuh  :thumbsdown:

Trade  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

With the mention of GNR's Tyranny Rex in Zarjaz vol. 1 (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,33231.0.html), I was wondering about a "before they were famous" supplement with some of the better fanzine offerings from droids, quite a few of them have done work for Zarjaz and Class of '79 if you wanted to keep it 2000AD-themed.

Quote from: Emperor on 18 June, 2011, 02:50:45 PM
With the mention of GNR's Tyranny Rex in Zarjaz vol. 1 (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,33231.0.html), I was wondering about a "before they were famous" supplement with some of the better fanzine offerings from droids, quite a few of them have done work for Zarjaz and Class of '79 if you wanted to keep it 2000AD-themed.

That'd be good.

After re-reading his 'Solo' one shot and 'Walking Dredd' Id like to see a collection of Brendan McCarthys work.

Quote from: Emperor on 18 June, 2011, 02:50:45 PM
With the mention of GNR's Tyranny Rex in Zarjaz vol. 1 (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,33231.0.html), I was wondering about a "before they were famous" supplement with some of the better fanzine offerings from droids, quite a few of them have done work for Zarjaz and Class of '79 if you wanted to keep it 2000AD-themed.

I don't think his emerald majesty would be into that. The fact that the strips (and I've commissioned some of them) were created free and gratis would have to be addressed if TMO wanted to reprint any. Also the reprinting of the strips could be seen as rendering them as 'canon' also.

I can't really see any (sensible) objection from the contributors - work was done for free, what have you got to lose? I'd only be too happy for that work to get a wider audience.

I wouldn't want that. It would be a be like when the Meg was reprinting small press stuff - which I was always uncomfortable with.

Id like to see the 70s/80s Brett Ewins, Brendan McCarthy et al smallpress stuff that Ive never seen. Some of the earliest droids small press work would be very cool to see.

Quote from: Emperor on 18 June, 2011, 02:50:45 PM
With the mention of GNR's Tyranny Rex in Zarjaz vol. 1 (http://www.2000adonline.com/forum/index.php/topic,33231.0.html), I was wondering about a "before they were famous" supplement with some of the better fanzine offerings from droids, quite a few of them have done work for Zarjaz and Class of '79 if you wanted to keep it 2000AD-themed.

No thanks. Some of the reprints are dire enough without dredging up stuff that wasn't good enough for the Prog in the first place.

Cosh- I'm taking umbridge over this. The strips in Zarjaz & Dogbreath are not harvested from scripts sent in and rejected- (That's FutureQuake :)) they are in almost all cases created simply for the fun of playing with Thargs toys. Admittedly, a lot of the top end artwork is used as portfolio submissions for his Emerald Awesomeness, but they are created with passion and talent and are a long way from being called 'dredgings'.

Have a little respect for the fanzines please... you don't like them - that's your prerogative. You don't want the reprint to comprise anything from them - fine. But please have a little more care when you run down the unpaid efforts of others.

I think a certain amount of constructive criticism is fair enough, needed even. To disparage the efforts of the small press in this way, however, is nigh-on unforgivable.

From your comment Cosh, I suspect you haven't read one of the Fanzines recently...

Yeah- what they said!

Yeah, fair enough. I don't doubt the sincerity, enthusiasm and ability of the contributors and I've no desire to go over the sort of ground that was covered when the Meg had the small press slot. When it comes to comics, I have no interest in trawling through the small and independent presses looking for the gems and rely on Tharg to be my quality control filter.

Double standards considering I'm happy to follow all manner of local musical acts of hugely varying styles and quality? Possibly, but there's only so much time in the day.

Quote from: judgefett on 23 June, 2011, 12:07:39 PM
Id like to see the 70s/80s Brett Ewins, Brendan McCarthy et al smallpress stuff that Ive never seen. Some of the earliest droids small press work would be very cool to see.

Squaxx champing at the bit for early work by droid gods?

Reprint Future Shocks Tharg baby. Future Shocks.

Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 24 June, 2011, 02:57:15 AM

Quote from: judgefett on 23 June, 2011, 12:07:39 PM
Id like to see the 70s/80s Brett Ewins, Brendan McCarthy et al smallpress stuff that Ive never seen. Some of the earliest droids small press work would be very cool to see.

Squaxx champing at the bit for early work by droid gods?

Reprint Future Shocks Tharg baby. Future Shocks.

Yeah that'd work, in the meantime Im going to cop the Art of Brett Ewins book!

How about a floppy or series of floppy's containing Tales from the Black Museum?

I've always enjoyed these and although its a fairly new series in 2000AD history I can't see them getting the full GN treatment anytime soon and would love a collection of them on my shelf.

Jason

Quote from: JSouth5942 on 27 June, 2011, 03:54:35 PM
How about a floppy or series of floppy's containing Tales from the Black Museum?

I've always enjoyed these and although its a fairly new series in 2000AD history I can't see them getting the full GN treatment anytime soon and would love a collection of them on my shelf.

It's a good idea as there are some quality tales in there but it might be a little too soon.

What would be an idea is to collect the Strange Cases stories which were the TFtBM's ancestor and they have a strong line-up of creators including Warren Ellis' only 2000AD-related work:

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=Megazine&choice=STRANGE

Id be well up for Dogbreath or Zarjaz Best of. Think back to the summer specials and annuals and compare them to the output of Clements and Evans and be pleasently surprised. If there is anyone out there that wants extra QUAILTY 2000ad material you could do worse that checking out Zarjaz and Dogbreath. The ABC special is the latest I have read, and it is excellent.

I think I posted this before, but we all know that Tharg is is too busy to produce another new talent Winter Special, so how about doing a best of new talent Winter Special and taking the best of the Fanzine produce, the prize been published in an 'official' 2000ad produce(not necessarily cannon) and some small renumeration for the efforts for the creative team.

David

Folks- with regards to printing strips from Zarjaz & Dogbreath- T.M.O. says no. Leave it alone, you'll make it bleed. As far as being a useful playground and a way of actually working on submissions for his verdant emeraldness- all good, but if Tharg wanted to commission a creator- it would be for something new.

How about a Sean Phillips collection!?

Quote from: PreacherCain on 28 June, 2011, 07:17:21 PM
How about a Sean Phillips collection!?

Good idea (although material that hasn't been collected might be tricky to find, although if you did a Strange Cases collection you'd scoop up his 2 stories there) - those artist-focused collections are a treat and he does have solid name recognition in the US.

On artist-focused collections - what about Colin MacNeil? Not such a big name over the Pond (which is both a loss for them and a bonus for us, as it means Tharg can give him as much work as he can cope with, although I think we'd all like to see him do another Conan story at some point) but his work still stands up well today - I recently re-read Vanguard and it looks magnificent still (the story also had a lot of promise). The only tricky thing is finding enough Dredd stories to make up a collection as his older work has now been Case Filed and more recent gigs have tended to be on high profile Dredd stories that get collected pretty quickly. Maelstrom and The Corps were both collected in Extreme Editions, which might rule them out but there should be enough material around, or collect Vanguard.

Medivac 318

Finn? It went a bit off the rails so a trade might not be wanted but the early stories would be well worth collecting somewhere.

Rebellion may not own Finn, its a spin off of Third World War, which is still copyright Egmont.

David

Other than the name of the character, was there too much to tie it into Third World War? I'd be very surprised if Rebellion didn't own the rights.

Quote from: James Stacey on 23 August, 2011, 08:58:38 AM
Other than the name of the character, was there too much to tie it into Third World War? I'd be very surprised if Rebellion didn't own the rights.

It is explicitly the same character and a couple of other characters from Third World War make brief appeareances in the later stories. Personally, I don't have very fond memories of the early Finn material but I thoroughly enjoyed his last two outings which I've recently caught up with in my Prog catchup reading.

Any chance of a low life reprint?
What with it coming back next week and all.

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 29 August, 2011, 03:52:37 PM
Any chance of a low life reprint?
What with it coming back next week and all.

There are two collections for the UK and US respectively:

http://shop.2000adonline.com/products/megacity_undercover
http://books.simonandschuster.com/Low-Life-Paranoia/Rob-Williams/Judge-Dredd/9781907519888

Quote from: Emperor on 29 August, 2011, 04:17:29 PM

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 29 August, 2011, 03:52:37 PM
Any chance of a low life reprint?
What with it coming back next week and all.

There are two collections for the UK and US respectively:

http://shop.2000adonline.com/products/megacity_undercover
http://books.simonandschuster.com/Low-Life-Paranoia/Rob-Williams/Judge-Dredd/9781907519888

Ah. My mistake...............

Has anyone mentioned the Metro strips. I know you can read them online, or used to be able to but I'd like to see them in a nice wee collection with the Meg.

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 29 August, 2011, 05:02:02 PM

Quote from: Emperor on 29 August, 2011, 04:17:29 PM

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 29 August, 2011, 03:52:37 PM
Any chance of a low life reprint?
What with it coming back next week and all.

There are two collections for the UK and US respectively:

http://shop.2000adonline.com/products/megacity_undercover
http://books.simonandschuster.com/Low-Life-Paranoia/Rob-Williams/Judge-Dredd/9781907519888

Ah. My mistake...............

No worries - that is what the forum is for (amongst "other" things).

Also I don't know about the US edition but from the size (Amazon says MCU is 160 pages, the same size and LLP, but the 2000AD shop says 224 pages, which seems about right without digging out my copy) and creators listed I assume they both collect down to "Baby Talk", meaning future collections will synch up. Anyone want to clarify that?

Bit of a long-shot, and maybe a bit controversial, but what about the Ezquerra drawn adaptation of the '95 Dredd movie?
Maybe one day follow it up with the Jock adaptation for the new film... ;)

Again, probably problems with copyright, along with the version that appeared in  a Sunday glossy that I cant remember the name of, but had art by Ron Smith. The Dredd film from the 90's is copyright the filmmakers, as is its spin offs, every cow its calf etc.
Rebellion would probably have to buy the right to reprint pretty crappy content.
IMO there is still alot of content to be gotten through, Like Wolfoe Smith,  Colony Earth, etc, there id still a lot of the 2000ad 'b' stuff to be reprinted.

David

Venus bluegenes anyone?
How's about a couple of Anderson floppies for the run up to psi files 2?

i would really love a  john hicklenton collection GN.

How about a Judge Dredd: Angel of Mercy collection?

Slightly tricky, as one of Oola Blint's appearances was in the Doomsday epic, and it would probably have to be spread over two volumes (bulked out with some other one-offs) but I'd really love a chance to read the other Angel of Mercy stories (I've only read Mad City and Doomsday).

Mad City (2000ad, 19 pages)

Angel of Mercy (2000ad, 12 pages)

Christmas Angel (2000ad, 16 pages)

Shakedown (Megazine, 25 pages)

Christmas with the Blints (2000ad, 12 pages)

Just been reminded of Oola's 'adventures' over at Grant Goggins' Thrill-powered Thursday. She was a great Dredd villain and this would make a nice little collection.

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 31 August, 2011, 08:03:43 AMHow's about a couple of Anderson floppies

That's harsh, she may be pushing 50 but she's still quite pert!

On a serious note however, this is unlikely given the number of existing collections and the fact that she's now getting the "phonebook" treatment - the Meg floppies rarely overlap with the commercial TPBs.

Quote from: Dandontdare on 15 September, 2011, 12:24:46 PM

Quote from: Hawkmonger on 31 August, 2011, 08:03:43 AMHow's about a couple of Anderson floppies

That's harsh, she may be pushing 50 but she's still quite pert!

Now steady on governer. :D

QuoteOn a serious note however, this is unlikely given the number of existing collections and the fact that she's now getting the "phonebook" treatment - the Meg floppies rarely overlap with the commercial TPBs.

Fair enough.

I was thinking, what about The Corps?
You know, that war story featuring a mutant strain of the Kleggs?
I'm quite intruiged at the idea.

QuoteI was thinking, what about The Corps?
You know, that war story featuring a mutant strain of the Kleggs?
I'm quite intruiged at the idea.

The Corps was reprinted in 2000ad Extreme Edition 17, so it's unlikely to appear again so soon after that.

(http://shop.2000adonline.com/images/product_full/DD17.jpg)

It's still available from the 2000ad store:

http://shop.2000adonline.com/products/extreme_editions_issue_17 (http://shop.2000adonline.com/products/extreme_editions_issue_17)

Damn, why do I keep over looking these things.
Well, it's added to my baskit anyway.

I agree with one of the latest Meg letter writers with his suggestions of Sancho Panzer and Black Light. Think they'd be a good fit, and more Henry Flint is always a good idea!

Also, how about Glimmer Rats?!

Oh and I'm going to risk a Rigellian hotshot here and suggest Maniac 5. Mainly for the Steve Yeowall robot art!  :D

Maniac 5? (shudder).

Thumbs up for Sancho Panzer.

I suggest Vanguard.

Also, in addition to the complete Downlode Tales, how about a few further Sinister Dexter collections? There's loads of great S/D material that had never been reprinted (and isn't otherwise likely to be any time soon). Could collect all the stuff left out of the trades, longer individual storylines, or an occasional collection of one-offs.

If Rebellion are really not going to be releasing any more Sinister Dexter in trade form, I have to ask what's the point of continuing them in the prog? I refuse to believe they don't sell- I think it was just the crappy presentation and screwed up continuity last time around. I demand a casefiles-type treatment! And if they REALLY really aren't doing any more, then yes, floppies please. If they can inflict four or five months of interminable Mercy Heights on us, they can damn well give us four or five months of quality SiniDex.

Other than that, BONJO FROM BEYOND THE STARS and DASH DECENT please!

SBT

Yeah, I've suggested Sin/Dex Case Files before - would totally buy them - though perhaps they'd be better with cheaper paper stock to keep the price down - I don't buy the argument that all colour artwork becomes unreadable mush when printed on pulpier paper stock.

Quote from: radiator on 19 September, 2011, 02:00:08 PM
Yeah, I've suggested Sin/Dex Case Files before - would totally buy them - though perhaps they'd be better with cheaper paper stock to keep the price down - I don't buy the argument that all colour artwork becomes unreadable mush when printed on pulpier paper stock.

Agreed. I really like the paper that Vertigo use for their trades- which isn't much of a step up from newsprint, but actually feels like I'm reading a comic. See 'Scalped' especially for this. The shinier paper actually annoys me due to its light-reflecting properties making it difficult to read. I think a lot of bollocks is spoken about the need for "high quality" paper- as if comics are read entirely by people that just want to gaze at the art and must see every shade and hue. Personally, I just want to read the stories- if it's a choice between not having a complete SiniDex tarde series because the shiny paper makes the pricepoint too high to justify it, or having it on bogroll- but actually having it, I'll take the bogroll.

And newsprinty paper doesn't buckle when you accidentally get it wet.

SBT

Yeah, the Preacher, Swamp Thing and 100 Bullets trades I have all use a rough, pulpy paper which I really like. I know it's a little different with fully painted artwork, but Imo it would be perfectly readable.

I like the colour Case Files books, but they weigh a bloody ton - and aren't cheap.

The weight is actually becoming an issue here as well- as I have a bookcase bowing under the combined weight of the Casefiles and other colour Rebellion trades. Which means I have to buy a considerably stronger and more expensive bookcase.

With regard to the thing about it being muddy when fully-painted art is printed on the cheaper paper- I sort of understand that, but to be honest during the nineties when everything was painted and on cheap paper, it didn't worry me at all. The quality of the writing and the fact that many of the artists couldn't actually draw, was my biggest problem at that time.

SBT

Yeah, whenever the next time I move is, I have an IKEA shelf that won't be coming with me because of what all Tharg's thrills have done to it.

Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 19 September, 2011, 04:40:37 PMWhich means I have to buy a considerably stronger and more expensive bookcase.

What are you using now? Mind are on a Billy, a very much not expensive 55 quid from IKEA.

I just got a Billy - but the box it came in was far, far too long to fit in our car so I ended up having to pay an extra £35 to have it delivered!

...and I also ended up having to move all my furniture round so I had enough floorspace to assemble the bastard!

Agree with the paper issue. I prefer uncoated paper stock to the glossy stuff. Looking cheaper though, doesn't necessarily mean cheaper cost. 

Having said that, for some reprints such as Clint Langley ABC Warriors and Slaine, I think glossy is preferable as it brings out the detail and vibrancy.

In the old days colourists would use (or specify I guess) brighter colours to compensate for pulpy paper stock which would absorb the ink. I haven't looked at Marvel reprints for a while but I recall a Frank Miller Daredevil graphic novel that was way too bright. It looked wrong. I would prefer modern day reprints of such older comics to be dulled to achieve the original desired printed effect.

A buddy of mine, who owns more stuff than any ten people you know, had a Billy-assembling party at his unbelievably small and cluttered house.  He brought home twenty-four of the shelves on a flatbed pickup and we had to put them together on picnic tables in his front yard as there was no room indoors.

But, sad to say, it is indeed the black-finish Billy that is failing me.  If you were considering one for your Rebellion GNs, look elsewhere.  I have three shelves on this one stocked with Rebellions, DCs and Titans, not to mention occasional bits of cardboard in to keep the lower rights from curling, and there's simply too much weight for these fragile things to hold up.  Shame, because it looked so nice matching with the black Billy on the other side of the sofa with the digest-sized comics.

As for dulled color, I kind of like D&Q's John Stanley Library.  The way they treat the paper so that it looks aged really brings Melvin Monster, 13, Nancy, etc to life.

Im afraid i dont have a Billy. In fact, ive never been inside an Ikea, and their policy of naming bits of furniture sends a shiver down my spine. I still havent quite got over my parents being excited buying a Henry hoover back in the eighties.

No, i have mine on a bookshelf cum cabinet that i found in the street, while taking the kids to school. I picked it up and sloooowly inched it home, wedged it into a cornerspace in the dining room, ripped out the striplight, and dumped a whole bunch of stuff in it. Sometimes our house is tidy enough to allow you to get to the bottom doors, but not presently and i have absolutely no idea what's in there.

SBT

I've spent long enough in IKEA. I usually end up buying nothing other than fish and chips, but they do have some decent stuff. I use IKEA Besta shelves (how's about that for a name). Loaded up with books, magazines and comics and no bowing of shelves. I went for a combination with drawers along the bottom so less clutter. Perhaps it's best to get narrower units to prevent sagging?

Can I raise my hand for a collection of the Janus: Psi Division stuff? Unreprinted Grant Morrison--!

Great suggestion for a noob  ;)

Bloody gorgeous painted Ezquerra art on that first story from the Sci Fi Special too.

Being a cynical fucker, I suggest Mark Millar's short stories like Babe Race, Maniac 5 and his Robo Hunter run, seeing as he's developing himself as a brand and all with Clint it might be an idea to grab some of that book's readers while taking advantage of Rebellion's improved circulation stateside.

Plus I actually like Maniac 5 and think it holds up well with only the topical references dating it.  Not much of a compliment, I know, but I could see it appearing in Clint.

Quote from: Professah Byah on 06 December, 2011, 11:13:42 PM
Plus I actually like Maniac 5 and think it holds up well with only the topical references dating it.  Not much of a compliment, I know, but I could see it appearing in Clint.

Nice art too! :D

Rain Dogs would be a good re-print

Popped into my head the other day, Ian Edginton's American Gothic. Also Detonator X. Since neither will probably find their way into full trades at any point.

How many pages do these reprints usually have at a maximum anyway?

Quote from: The Sherman Kid on 25 January, 2012, 09:16:57 PM
Rain Dogs would be a good re-print

It's still available in hardback - only 4 quid in the current sale: Click here! (http://shop.2000adonline.com/products/rain_dogs)

I know it was a bit of a sore point at the time (which might negate a reprinting) but how about Satanus Unchained?

If you ask me, it delivers on the puply dino madness far more than the recent Flesh series....

I've never read them before, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Harmony strips get a reprint. Are they worth reading?

Harmony has already been collected with the meg, at least the first few stories.

Oh...in that case I better start looking for a copy on ebay.

I'll send you mine, Tim, just recently put in a storage box so I even know where it is.  Just PM me your address. 

Thanks Tordelback, thats really great of you.  :D

I've sent a P.M.

I'd like to see some sort of Kev Walker collection. Always loved his work, even on stuff that isn't held in such high esteem like Balls Brothers and Mercy Heights.

A Colin MacNeil collection anyone?

Forgive my ignorance, but has the Middenface McNulty Megazine stuff by Alan Grant ever been reprinted? I quite liked that back then.

Quote from: Third Estate Ned on 22 April, 2012, 03:30:26 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but has the Middenface McNulty Megazine stuff by Alan Grant ever been reprinted? I quite liked that back then.

Nope not been collected yet and it is a good call - I'd be happy to see those in the Supplements.

You mean the Young Middenface stories? That sounds like an interesting reprint possibility.

I'm not sure if it was the young Middenface. The art was coloured and quite chaotic with bold, black lines. I have a distinct memory of a sharp-suited Mafioso type blowing smoke out his nose that I thought was quite striking at the time. There may have been a little white dog involved in the story too, but that could just be my broken memory.

It may have been this, judging by the dog memory (from Wikipedia):

"Wan Man an' His Dug" (with co-writer Tony Luke and artist John McCrea, in Judge Dredd Megazine #1.15-1.20, 1991–1992).

Judge Dredd reprint idea. Judge Dredd: Blood Trails (1440 - 1449). I recall liking it, and how it used much of Dredd's (then current) supporting cast. But I don't see it being reprinted in a proper trade any time soon. So a floppy would be a good place for it.

Yep, definitely up for that. Never read blood trails.

I just hunted it down all the parts in prog form recently, and yep, I agree it would be a good reprint candidate.  Although I think ideally it ought to be bookended by the "Visiting Hour" and "Life & Death" one-shots from progs 1423 and 1452 for completeness, and twelve progs' worth is probably a bit long for a single reprint floppy - maybe it could be split across two Megs and padded out with a few other Gordon Rennie Dredd stories?

In fact, I'd be up for some Rennie Dredd reprints in general, since he wrote quite a few in the prog 1200-1400 era that haven't been collected, and it'll be ages before the case files get that far.  Looking at BARNEY, he wrote a number of 3 and 5 parter stories that would probably make a good basis for floppies.  I'd like to read Gulag, definitely, and the Planet Gary stuff could be collected together.

Working to around 64 pages (although I suspect there is some wiggle room as there seem to be 68 internal pages) and just clicking around starting from John Smith and working out (inspired by this thread (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,35985.0.html)):

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Slaughterbowl

Easy enough to theme around other John Smith stories.

Slaughterbowl (progs 842-849) 48 pages, with Paul Peart

Danzig's Inferno (progs 718-719) 12 pages, with Sean Phillips

Inside Moves (prog 631) 5 pages, with Chris Weston

Alternatives include:

Order of the Beast (prog 632) 5 pages, with Dave D'Antiquis - although it might be worth a Dave D'Antiquis collection

Vector 13: Case Three: Graven Images (prog 1064) 5 pages, with Cliff Robinson - although I'd like a Vector 13 collection or two collecting the better ones

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Dave D'Antiquis collection or just call it Silo and market it around Mark Millar's name (a pity as I am a fan of D'Antiquis' work but Millar sells).

Leading on from the previous suggestion:

Silo (progs 706-711) 36 pages, with Mark Millar

Tharg's Future Shocks: The Foreign Model (prog 643) 4 pages, with Mark Millar

Order of the Beast (prog 632) 5 pages, with John Smith

Tharg's Terror Tales: Even Death May Die (prog 841) 6 pages, with Chris McHale - the Lovecraft was a little on the nose but I really liked the way he went full colour with a more painted style

He also did a number of other Future Shocks that'd make up the numbers, I'd need to go through them to find the decent ones.

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Strange Days

The bonus: it is Warren Ellis' only appearance in the prog which might get some interest

I make that 32 pages from the Meg and three more stories from the Specials (not sure about the page count), which might be coming up slightly short.

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=STRANGE

However, there are two Mega-City One stories by Dave Stone and John Smith (both drawn by Sean Phillips, who did a couple of the Strange Days ones - mentioned previously (http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,22779.msg614040.html#msg614040) after the suggestion of a Sean Philips collection) which might fit (I'd need to dig them out and check but I'll eat my hat if at least the Smith one isn't weird and I have a massive head, so that'd be quite an undertaking):

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&Comic=Specials&choice=MEGACITY

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Holocaust 12 anyone?

We've got 54 pages there:
http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=HOLO12

To pad it out there is "Animal House" by John Smith and Chris Weston in 2000AD Sci-Fi Special 1992.

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The Silo collection could then segue into a Maniac 5 collection, which I rather enjoyed at the time but I did reread it recently and it is pretty thin stuff (although a big no to Babe Race - there are limits):

Quote from: Professah Byah on 06 December, 2011, 11:13:42 PM
Being a cynical fucker, I suggest Mark Millar's short stories like Babe Race, Maniac 5 and his Robo Hunter run, seeing as he's developing himself as a brand and all with Clint it might be an idea to grab some of that book's readers while taking advantage of Rebellion's improved circulation stateside.

Plus I actually like Maniac 5 and think it holds up well with only the topical references dating it.  Not much of a compliment, I know, but I could see it appearing in Clint.

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Also I'd second this:

Quote from: radiator on 19 September, 2011, 10:00:50 AMThumbs up for Sancho Panzer.

I suggest Vanguard.

I've re-read them both recently and they are still good solid stories.

Vanguard could then segue into a Colin MacNeil collection - some of his Dredd work that isn't on the big name stories, as he has worked on a lot of the biggest stories of recent years it'd be nice to give some focus to his other Dredds. The Corps and Maelstrom both got collected in EE #17 so there is probably less pressure to reprint them.

If we're not going to have a vector 13 trade collection (which is, in itself, madness), could we not at least have a few months of them in the floppies?

SBT

Im suprised we've yet to have a floppy which collects the final strips for series such as Caballistics Inc or The V.C's. Theres probably not enough left to give those strips another trade, so why not a floppy?

Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 05 May, 2012, 09:13:24 AM
If we're not going to have a vector 13 trade collection (which is, in itself, madness), could we not at least have a few months of them in the floppies?

Oh crumbs, I wasn't suggesting a Vector 13 trade, but there are enough good stories in there to make a couple of decent supplements (again I can re-read them and make a list), I notice some have been used to make up the numbers on a couple of recent collections too, so that might be another way.

Quote from: Tim Tailz on 05 May, 2012, 01:00:45 PM
Im suprised we've yet to have a floppy which collects the final strips for series such as Caballistics Inc or The V.C's. Theres probably not enough left to give those strips another trade, so why not a floppy?

I'm pretty sure The V.Cs can easily fit a final TP (I assume sales of the second volume weren't great to warrant a 3rd yet). As for Cabs, I'm holding out hope that Rennie has a final series up his sleeve now that he seems to be a regular 2000 AD contributor again. Its a great tragedy that Cabs is still floating out there incomplete.

I had an idea today (slow day at work, time to think).  Around the time the movie comes out the freebies should, for a couple of months, feature a few classic "archetypal" Dredd stories.  Stories like "Judge Death", "Graveyard Shift" or UnAmerican Graffiti", stories which show just how weird Mega-City One can be.   

The movies bound to raise peoples interest in Dredd so been able to read a few of the older strips might allow them to ease into the whole concept of Dredd without been terrified about buying all of the case files. 

The Megazine itself could have a few articles covering the history of Dredd as well, both in universe and behind the scenes (writer and artist bios, interviews)

Quote from: Tombo on 08 May, 2012, 05:43:32 PM
I had an idea today (slow day at work, time to think).  Around the time the movie comes out the freebies should, for a couple of months, feature a few classic "archetypal" Dredd stories.  Stories like "Judge Death", "Graveyard Shift" UnAmerican Graffiti", maybe a couple of the Otto Sump stories.  Stuff which shows both the serious and funny side of how weird Mega-City One can be.   

The movies bound to raise peoples interest in Dredd so been able to read a few of the older strips might allow them to ease into the whole concept of Dredd without been terrified about buying all of the case files. 

The Megazine itself could have a few articles covering the history of Dredd as well, both in universe and behind the scenes (writer and artist bios, interviews)

Quote from: The Adventurer on 05 May, 2012, 07:31:48 PM

Quote from: Tim Tailz on 05 May, 2012, 01:00:45 PM
Im suprised we've yet to have a floppy which collects the final strips for series such as Caballistics Inc or The V.C's. Theres probably not enough left to give those strips another trade, so why not a floppy?

I'm pretty sure The V.Cs can easily fit a final TP (I assume sales of the second volume weren't great to warrant a 3rd yet).

I actually just got the second V.C.s trade Back in Action today, and the inside back cover features an advert for a further trade called "Old Soldiers". Im guessing this must have been cancelled presumably due (as you said) to low sales.

How about the carlos adaptation of the original dredd movie, along with the text content from the tie-in poster magazines? Whistle whistle...

SBT

Wasn't there a Ron Smith adaptation too or did I dream it?

I think there was- in the daily star, wasnt it? Hopefully we'll have that as part of the daily star casefiles that im expecting to be announced any second.

SBT

That won't happen for two reasons - 1: it would be a very bad business decision to confuse potential new readers ahead of the new film by reprinting an adaptation of the old film, and 2: I'm pretty sure Rebellion would have to get permission from the rights holders of the 1995 movie.

How about Zancudo?

Mr radiator, i was joking. I no more want to see any of the stallone-associated tat than i do a 'dry run' floppy.

SBT 

Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 28 May, 2012, 09:04:18 AM
I think there was- in the daily star, wasnt it? Hopefully we'll have that as part of the daily star casefiles that im expecting to be announced any second.

SBT

SBT it was in the News of the World in full colour and was (I think) 18 original (i.e. half page) episodes and then another 18(?) full page ones.

Ron was selling some of this artwork the last time I met him.

Well get you, mister hob-nobbing with the stars la-di-dah gunner large! News of the Screws, Daily Star, whatever- i just hope for a reprint at some point. Or until a kind soul offers to colour copy them in the physical realm. Ron Smith pages are always something to drool over.

SBT

Anyone ever suggested Freaks? And its sequel Faces? Faces was running when I first started reading 2000 AD, and I've always been curious about the original story, which ran a long time ago. Freaks ran 30 pages and Faces 48. There's probably enough Peter Milligan and John Higgins odds and ends laying around to fill out two consecutive supplements.

Quote from: The Adventurer on 01 July, 2012, 09:29:03 AM
Anyone ever suggested Freaks? And its sequel Faces? Faces was running when I first started reading 2000 AD, and I've always been curious about the original story, which ran a long time ago. Freaks ran 30 pages and Faces 48. There's probably enough Peter Milligan and John Higgins odds and ends laying around to fill out two consecutive supplements.

I second this! More Milligan that I have never read is a good thing. Can we have Shadows as well?

Here are somee that I would like to see:

The later Armoured Gideon stories - we always seem to get a reprint of the first series but not the colour ones which I remember as being really good.

Time House - this was a great self contained series

Reprints from Scream! It would be nice to see a collection of the best short stories, some amazing art and stories here!

Stontium Dog's Tales from the doghouse :)

I'd ask for a Big Dave floppy, but we all know he would want a Hardcover

Quote from: Skullmo on 30 July, 2012, 09:39:41 PM
I'd ask for a Big Dave floppy, but we all know he would want a Hardcover

Big Dave was a bit before my time, though I hear it's a bit of a cult classic.

Isn't Big Dave one of the stories that's in ownership limbo with Zenith et al?

Shame I enjoyed it, though its no 2000ad story, as I've said before.

Yeah I think so. And Really and Truly (which is why it appeared in the Ryan Hughes Man of Tomorrow book).

I've just finished the absolutely brilliant The Bulletproof Coffin and would love to see some reprints of Shaky Kane's work for 2000AD. I know his work was a love/hate thing back in the day but I think it's worth another look now.  :D

Stevie'd buy that in a flash if wasn't bagged free with the Meg.

Sadly all of the Soulgun stories were scripted by Alan McKenzie.

To shamelessly ape paraphrase Colin, "Aren't these some of the stories that's in ownership limbo with Luke Kirby et al?"


However that does leave Soul Sisters & a Mark Millar scripted Future Shock* open for reprint.

Soul. Sisters.

Mark. Millar.

[spoiler]*the twist at the end being that Millar doesn't actually provide a conclusion for the story.[/spoiler]

That's a shame about the SoulGun stories, they were what I had in mind sadly. Hell, just get him back to do a Dredd in that case!  :D

Why was the legal department in a shambles! They should realy have secured the rights - or given the creators the rights. Having things in limbo is a pain!

I understand neither party really wants to push things legally as it could set a precedant that means Rebellion wouldn't be able to republish any old work.

Quote from: Skullmo on 10 August, 2012, 01:06:04 PM
Why was the legal department in a shambles! They should realy have secured the rights - or given the creators the rights. Having things in limbo is a pain!

at a guess... Alan McKenzie?

You know what Stevie wouldn't mind seeing agin? Shadows.

That said, the ownership of the prog was in flux in that particular period.

Don't know if it's been mentioned.

Brigand Doom.

I never read it but it looked fun.

Quote from: Adrian Bamforth on 12 August, 2012, 04:00:38 PM
Don't know if it's been mentioned. Brigand Doom.

Another of McKenzie's contributions, so that's almost certainly never going to happen. (Man, McKenzie wrote a LOT of stuff in those days, didn't he? Loophole-a-go-go.)

Which is a shame as it was fun, certainly at the start and great art by David D'Antiques throughout.

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 12 July, 2008, 02:54:08 PM
Can I throw Luke Kirby's hat into the ring?

Here Here!

Should we have sticky listing all the McKenzie, Morrison, Dare Dare & Robinson stories which we won't be seeing again soon due to ownership limbo?

Other than that eminately forgettable Chopper series, the only Alan McKenzie story that Rebellion could conceivably get away with reprinting at this stage is the Mean Arena reboot.

Let's not go there, shall we?

I think I've asked this before. But does Rebellion own any of the content that run in Crisis or Toxic? Or did that not come along for the ride when Rebellion bought up 2000 AD.

Toxic was an entirely different publisher, so no on that one. With Crisis, I suspect it'd only have rights on any characters that subsequently transferred to 2000 AD (in the same way it has rights over some Tornado and Starlord strips). Then again, I can't think of any examples from Crisis where that happened—Finn made it across, but only as a character. Then again, I'm not sure I'd want to see any Crisis stuff reprinted in the Meg floppy, beyond New Adventures of Hitler.

Quote from: The Adventurer on 23 August, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
I think I've asked this before. But does Rebellion own any of the content that run in Crisis or Toxic?

No.

As far as I'm aware, Egmont own Crisis and Revolver, I know Finn was a spin off from Third World War, but I think Egmont still own TWW, Finn may be a grey area as Finn never 'appeared' as such in Crisis.

David

Where the edit button, Molch-r has answered!

Molch-R, king of brevity!

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 August, 2012, 11:38:36 AM
Molch-R, king of brevity!

S'right.

Why did Charlie's War never return to the Meg?I for one would have been very happy for it to continue.

Quote from: Molch-R on 23 August, 2012, 11:27:36 AM

Quote from: The Adventurer on 23 August, 2012, 11:17:20 AM
I think I've asked this before. But does Rebellion own any of the content that run in Crisis or Toxic?

No.

Oh. Okay. I think I've always been confused on that because of the Barney Zone having it all cross referenced.

Quote from: IndigoPrime on 23 August, 2012, 11:20:15 AM
Toxic was an entirely different publisher, so no on that one. With Crisis, I suspect it'd only have rights on any characters that subsequently transferred to 2000 AD (in the same way it has rights over some Tornado and Starlord strips). Then again, I can't think of any examples from Crisis where that happened—Finn made it across, but only as a character. Then again, I'm not sure I'd want to see any Crisis stuff reprinted in the Meg floppy, beyond New Adventures of Hitler.

I've never actually read Crisis, but there's a bunch of stuff that looks like it could appeal to my 2000 AD appetite. Third World War for one, Insiders for another (for that sweet sweet Paul Grist artwork)

Quote from: The Adventurer on 23 August, 2012, 06:32:44 PM
I've never actually read Crisis, but there's a bunch of stuff that looks like it could appeal to my 2000 AD appetite. Third World War for one, Insiders for another (for that sweet sweet Paul Grist artwork)

For me New Statesmen stands head and shoulders above the other stuff in there. With one exception, which alas has never been collected, that being Sticky Fingers (#15 - 27) and since you can normally get the issues cheap its worth getting the issues that was in for that strip alone. There the only ones I still have now I have a nice collected version of New Statesmen.

I enjoyed Crisis when it came out, New statemans was great, introduced Phillips and Fergredo. Funny how tastes differ, I hated it! Third World Was was good in the beginning bet went on to long and lost its way.
I loved Troubled Souls and its Daft sequels, I know Ennis had kindof disowned it, but I think it was an important piece.  Dave Thorpe was sacked off Captain Britain for trying to bring the troubles in NI into a story.
True Faith was good and Ennis did a good few shorts which were funny. Most  of the shorts were pretty good, a collection would be nice but a lot of the later stories were creator owned. Millar Ennis McCrae, The Pleece Bros, David Hine, Peter Doherty all did early work.
Hitler, The Grant Morrison/Valley one I cant remember the name of, The conclusion to Dan Dare etc etc.
There was a lot in Crisis other than Third World War which seem to colour peoples perception of Crisis.


David

Have any of the Rogue Trooper Friday strips ever been reprinted? If not I'd like to see them reprinted with the Meg. I haven't read any of them and know little about the strips apart from having read an article about them which was on ECBT2000AD a few months back.

QuoteHave any of the Rogue Trooper Friday strips ever been reprinted?

Yes - the original series War Machine, which was reprinted in two volumes a few years back.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing a few of the latter day Friday strips again - it has a bad rep, but after Dan Abnett took over it wasn't bad. And I really liked Steve Tappin's art.

The earlier stuff, written by Mike Fleischer, is utterly dreadful though.

Quote from: radiator on 28 September, 2012, 04:40:33 PM

QuoteHave any of the Rogue Trooper Friday strips ever been reprinted?

Yes - the original series War Machine, which was reprinted in two volumes a few years back.

I'll have to keep my eye out for a copy of that then.

Law of Dredd.

Honestly.

Dead Signal and a second series wouldn't go amiss either. 

Quote from: Gavin_Leahy_Block on 29 September, 2012, 10:23:11 PM
Dead Signal and a second series wouldn't go amiss either. 

I second that emotion.

I'd still love for Return to Armageddon to be a Meg floppie.

Do Rebellion own everything from Starlord, or only the strips/characters which appeared in 2000AD?
The reason I ask is because Mindwars was excellent and would I think still stand up today if reprinted.

Quote from: Richard on 30 September, 2012, 04:03:03 PM
Do Rebellion own everything from Starlord, or only the strips/characters which appeared in 2000AD?
The reason I ask is because Mindwars was excellent and would I think still stand up today if reprinted.

I think the rule is that if a comic merged with 2k at any point, then Rebellion automatically owns the rights to all material that featured in said comic, however long the lifespan. So yes, I think they do.

Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 30 September, 2012, 04:09:08 PM

Quote from: Richard on 30 September, 2012, 04:03:03 PM
Do Rebellion own everything from Starlord, or only the strips/characters which appeared in 2000AD?
The reason I ask is because Mindwars was excellent and would I think still stand up today if reprinted.

I think the rule is that if a comic merged with 2k at any point, then Rebellion automatically owns the rights to all material that featured in said comic, however long the lifespan. So yes, I think they do.

I'm pretty sure the only characters that the rights got transferred to Rebellion are those that moved across to 2000ad. Keith (or someone?) stated as such here a while ago. So alas in this case no the rights are still with IPC (I believe), unless they have been sold on separately.

Yeah, I've had a quick scroll through the archives and I think youre right. And most of the IPC stuff now seems to be owned by DC, which pretty much shoots ANY chance of their ever seeing the light of day down in flames. Fuckers.Their plan seems to be to buy the rights to every old British comics character, one by one, then consign them to a deep, dark basement and never allow them to see the light of day again.

When my interest in Brit comics started to re-surface last year I picked up Albion and was buried in a flood of old, beautiuful memories.

What a shame- it seems that the old characters are now forever gone.

On a plus note us old newbies cant go wrong on the megazine freebie.

Egmont own Starlord, Tornado, Crisis, Earthside 8, Revolver, Expresso. The stories that transferrd to 2000ad like Stont, and Wolfie, are Rebellions, AFAIK :thumbsup:

How was that ever allowed to happen?

What's exactly is Egmont? Are they a publisher? Are they still active?

IPC owned all of the above mentioned comics. They sold them on to Maxwell publishing which went bellyup, Fleetway was the merged with London Editions which did a lot of DC reprints, which was bought by one of the biggest publishers in the world Egmont.
Egmont based in Denmark are huge in Europe and Asia, Disney licenced comics are a big part of their output.

So Egmont ended up owing all of IPC comics new title output(plus buster) from the end on 1971 onward.

Egmont sold the Dan Dare and Eagle rights to the Dan Dare Corporation in the mid ninties.
Rebellion came looking to to a Strontium Dog computer Game and ended up buying the comic.

All the above if from memory, LARGE health warning, but its there abouts. It gets really confusing in the new Eagle, Dan Dare, there is stuff in there thatr copyright Rebellion, IPC Media(possibly) Egmont, and the DD Corp own the rest!

How about Dante 'The Courtship of Jena Makarov' and 'Tsar Wars Volume 1'?

If they are out of print and they have no intention to reprinting them wouldn't they do as one off's for the free GN? Would stop people like me moaning on about not being able to get my hands on a copy lol.

Quote from: dodsy on 22 November, 2012, 12:46:08 PM
How about Dante 'The Courtship of Jena Makarov' and 'Tsar Wars Volume 1'?

If they are out of print and they have no intention to reprinting them wouldn't they do as one off's for the free GN? Would stop people like me moaning on about not being able to get my hands on a copy lol.

I'm pretty sure they do plan on reprinting them.

Quote from: PreacherCain on 22 November, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
I'm pretty sure they do plan on reprinting them.

Not according to the people workign the 2000AD booths at Thought Bubble (and Morrison & Fraiser). Hope I'm they are wrong though.

Quote from: dodsy on 23 November, 2012, 01:03:17 PM

Quote from: PreacherCain on 22 November, 2012, 09:05:36 PM
I'm pretty sure they do plan on reprinting them.

Not according to the people workign the 2000AD booths at Thought Bubble (and Morrison & Fraiser). Hope I'm they are wrong though.

Hm I was under the impression they were reprinting the series again, must have been mistaken.

Also, that's dumb.