“Truth? You can't handle the truth!”

[I, Cosh]

My posts are often long winded as well, to be fair, as are others.

IMHO the problem most people have with the topics discussed here seems to be the idea that posters such as Peter and myself offer views and ideas which are anathema to most other people's world view and experience.

No, it really isn't. I'm sure you realise this, but what Joe was politely trying to say is that a lot of what you like to portray as revelatory, transgressive ideas really aren't that new and I imagine most people's hackles are raised at least a little by the condescension that attitude implies. NB I know you have said in the past that isn't your intent, but I'm afraid that doesn't change the way it reads.

Personally, I don't follow the two threads that closely, but I have absolutely no problem with them being there or people discussing those ideas on the forum and I assume part of the point in doing so is to stimulate argument. In my experience, you generally go to a reasonable length to respond to people who argue against you. While I'm sure some people do get exasperated at not being able to win you over, that's just part of the debate.

On the other hand people take issue with Peter's posts not because they represent some radical new way of looking at the world which must be resisted lest they break down all our preconceptions, free us from the tyranny of the quotidian and turn all that's solid into air. No. People take issue because they're the incoherent, self-contradictory and often offensive (in tone, rather than content) ramblings of someone who confuses having an opinion on everything with actually thinking about it. I don't think the problem is ever about discussing any topic, but when that spills out and clogs up every thread. The reason you started your own threads to contain it in the first place.

[The Legendary Shark]

No, it really isn't. I'm sure you realise this, but what Joe was politely trying to say is that a lot of what you like to portray as revelatory, transgressive ideas really aren't that new and I imagine most people's hackles are raised at least a little by the condescension that attitude implies. NB I know you have said in the past that isn't your intent, but I'm afraid that doesn't change the way it reads.

I accept that without reservation. (The issue of social v private money has been rumbling on since at least Roman times so you're right, that isn't new at all.) I think my problem is that I talk to a lot of people in "real life" about this and most either just don't understand (which is my fault for not adequately explaining what I mean) or aren't interested (again, my fault for not being clear enough). I hate the fact that I'm coming across as condescending, especially on this board (which is my most favouritest place on the whole interweb (with the possible exception of [spoiler]youporn.com[/spoiler])).

In my defence, I will say only that the attitudes and beliefs I encounter in real life colour the way I write here, which is probably why I am rather too robust in what I say, tipping me over into condescension. I thank you, sincerely, for pointing this out and promise to try and do better in the future.

[JOE SOAP]

Don't sweat it too much, you're a gent, 2000AD was always a magnet for that less reverential comic reader and many an ageing squaxx has put their feet in many a stream since having first read a prog and before finding their way to here, so the conversation won't ever just be about Twoth, but that is still why we're all here.

[Emp]

Joe Soap...the voice of sanity....who'd have thought it

[JOE SOAP]

You're comin' round to my way of thinking.

[The Legendary Shark]

I really do love this place and the people in it

[Emp]

I tend not to argue with Joe....as Clint says "mans gotta know his limitations"

[JOE SOAP]

Naw, I'm jus' grumpy 'n know what to keep my trap shut about.

[JOE SOAP]

besides...what are we al doin' up this fuckin' late?...a workin' man needs his slumber.

[Emp]

no concern of mine til august 

[Proudhuff]

There was never a threat of violence apart from one that you chose to read into it

''if you or anyone else wants to continue this in person instead of being on the end of an internet connection then you will have to wait until next March then we will see what you are made of and how far you want to push your luck''


So what else can one do 'in person' that one can't do at the end of an internet connection?

Anyway it appears they have both flounced off, thereby spoiling the betting in the 'Hi-Ex Handbag at dawn sweep stakes' 

[JOE SOAP]

So what else can one do 'in person' that one can't do at the end of an internet connection?

I'm guessin' t'would've been Top-Trumps.

[vzzbux]

Will you lot stop trying to shag each other and get on with some bogus conspiracies.
This thread has gone from entertainment to congratulatory slaps on the back and arse tonguing..

If that doesn't start anything nothing will.




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[Matt Timson]

There was never a threat of violence apart from one that you chose to read into it

''if you or anyone else wants to continue this in person instead of being on the end of an internet connection then you will have to wait until next March then we will see what you are made of and how far you want to push your luck''


So what else can one do 'in person' that one can't do at the end of an internet connection?

Anyway it appears they have both flounced off, thereby spoiling the betting in the 'Hi-Ex Handbag at dawn sweep stakes' 

That's possibly the least threatening and entirely vague 'threat' I think I've ever read.  Pretty sure I once promised to beat the shit out of that Cairns fool if he was stupid enough to show his face at Bristol a few years ago.

People really shouldn't make threats on the internet (or indeed anywhere else).  Equally, people really shouldn't write cheques with their mouths that their fists can't cash.  Or something. 

The problem with the internet is that people have forgotten what it's like to have to think about the way that they speak to other people- in case those people  punch all their teeth in for it.  Again, I'm not saying that it's right to resort to violence over reasoned debate, but I know full well that most of the 'cleverer' people that frequent this and other boards are a lot less clever- or at the very least, brave, in person. 

[vzzbux]

On a number of occasions on Facefuck I have had to remind people that there may be a chance we will meet in person. It soon shuts them up when they think about it or correspond with mutual friends.




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