Day of Chaos 2: a.Covid-19 thread.

[TordelBack]

So every Irish radio show, social media feed and newspaper is now just a queue of people wishing this virus away: we have the schools back and now we have an endless wish list of parties, hospital appointments, pubs, sport, travel, no masks.  We want things to go back to exactly how they were, and if we do happen to believe that we're shortly going to be back to hundreds of people dying because of our choices (as articulated by government), we don't give a shit because it won't be us specifically choking on our own lungs far from friends and family.

We spent much of the spring and early summer laughing through our fingers at the dumb Americans. Now we're the exact same. I view this pandemic as a dry run for climate change, with a more understandable immediacy and far lower sacrifices required  to address it, and in that regard the current attitude from government and electorate alike fills me with utter despair.

[shaolin_monkey]

I view this pandemic as a dry run for climate change, with a more understandable immediacy and far lower sacrifices required  to address it, and in that regard the current attitude from government and electorate alike fills me with utter despair.

Amen.

[IndigoPrime]

I remember reading a piece with a climate scientist, talking about how we're basically fucked, and how he's shielding his kid from this. He wants her to have a childhood with relative plenty because he's certain her adult years will be full of extreme hardship. I look at my 6yo now and wonder what world she will live in, primarily because a small handful of rich arseholes can't think beyond the end of next week. We might deserve annihilation as a species. But we don't deserve disaster for billions of individuals.

[shaolin_monkey]

Totally agree. Concerned for my kids too. I haven't shielded then as such, but I've been sure to put literature and educational material in front of them about standing up and making a difference, and making sure the science is accessible, interesting, and has humour throughout despite the nature of the subject. The Cranky Uncle book by Dr John Cook is perfect for teenagers/young adults.

What cuts me the most is that whether it is COVID19 or climate change, the poorest and/or most vulnerable are hit first, and hit the hardest. For example, if we stay on our current trajectory it will mean 3 billion of the poorest people on the planet will likely be wiped out by 2100, despite having made the very least impact upon it, and being the least responsible for the calamity.

[TordelBack]

It's pretty clear from the so-called Covid discourse in Ireland that very few give two shites for those most vulnerable to a crisis, it's their fault for being poor/sick/old and their constant whining is the real issue that affects us all. I suspect this is the new model going forward.

[Barrington Boots]

I'm just back from visiting my parents / family for the first time in 9 months. Leaving was quite emotional, because I'm not sure when I'll see them again - not entirely because I fear I won't ever (although I can't deny that's been at the back of my mind) but also because we just don't know what's going to happen next and when. Christmas, for example, seems written off although I wouldn't be surprised if the Government relaxes limitations for the festive period just to try and get on peoples good sides and then crank up measures afterwards. At least we can go grouse shooting though, right?

[Professor Bear]

The Boxing Day Hunt being declared illegal didn't stop it happening, and a pandemic certainly won't.  Tories need to rip an animal to shreds and rub its remains on their kids' faces just to make sure they grow up with the right attitude towards the poor.  I mean, what happens if they grow up and aren't sociopaths?  How will they ever become Tory ministers?

[Rately]

Coming as not much of a surprise, Van Morrison continues to prove he is an arse of the highest order.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54194408

That we live in a society where people will take the word of a fella talented enough to make music, over the words of experts shows how much of a mess the world is in.

[JamesC]

Coming as not much of a surprise, Van Morrison continues to prove he is an arse of the highest order.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54194408

That we live in a society where people will take the word of a fella talented enough to make music, over the words of experts shows how much of a mess the world is in.

They played a snippet of one of these songs on the radio. It was no 'Brown Eyed Girl', that's for sure.

[Professor Bear]

An actual conversation I walked in on in my dad's house:

Niece (17): It's not real.  They said everyone would know someone who died, but (clearly disappointed) I don't know a single person who's died of it.
Dad (72): I know two people who died from it.
Niece: well, there have been some deaths, but they would have happened anyway.
Dad: They died from pneumonia, they wouldn't have caught that if they hadn't got the virus first.
Niece: SEE?  They didn't die from it, they died with it.  The numbers don't add up, Granda, there's no more people dying than there normally would be.
Me: If the government is lying about the virus, then why is it giving out low death numbers?  Shouldn't they be giving out higher death numbers to back up their lies?
Niece: It's all planned.  It's a plandemic.

Apparantly she (and her mum) had decided "the virus is all planned" because they'd become aware of a Youtube video called PLANdemic, which they had not even watched, but they had figured out the gist from the name.  How do you even fight this?

[Rately]

Coming as not much of a surprise, Van Morrison continues to prove he is an arse of the highest order.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54194408

That we live in a society where people will take the word of a fella talented enough to make music, over the words of experts shows how much of a mess the world is in.

They played a snippet of one of these songs on the radio. It was no 'Brown Eyed Girl', that's for sure.

Absolute dirge.

[Leigh S]

PLANDEMIC
BREXIT
REMOANER

All the left really need is a great portmanteau to sell their message and we are off..

Socialism? - Glow-cialism, girlfriend!

An actual conversation I walked in on in my dad's house:

Niece (17): It's not real.  They said everyone would know someone who died, but (clearly disappointed) I don't know a single person who's died of it.
Dad (72): I know two people who died from it.
Niece: well, there have been some deaths, but they would have happened anyway.
Dad: They died from pneumonia, they wouldn't have caught that if they hadn't got the virus first.
Niece: SEE?  They didn't die from it, they died with it.  The numbers don't add up, Granda, there's no more people dying than there normally would be.
Me: If the government is lying about the virus, then why is it giving out low death numbers?  Shouldn't they be giving out higher death numbers to back up their lies?
Niece: It's all planned.  It's a plandemic.

Apparantly she (and her mum) had decided "the virus is all planned" because they'd become aware of a Youtube video called PLANdemic, which they had not even watched, but they had figured out the gist from the name.  How do you even fight this?

[Jim_Campbell]

Apparantly she (and her mum) had decided "the virus is all planned" because they'd become aware of a Youtube video called PLANdemic, which they had not even watched, but they had figured out the gist from the name.  How do you even fight this?

TBH, this is the most enraging thing about the whole 'conspiracy' angle... it makes literally no sense. It's both insane and idiotic. There's no part of any of the 'conspiracy' stuff that stands up to a moment's rational scrutiny, and yet somehow there's no reasoning with these people.

[Rately]

An actual conversation I walked in on in my dad's house:

Niece (17): It's not real.  They said everyone would know someone who died, but (clearly disappointed) I don't know a single person who's died of it.
Dad (72): I know two people who died from it.
Niece: well, there have been some deaths, but they would have happened anyway.
Dad: They died from pneumonia, they wouldn't have caught that if they hadn't got the virus first.
Niece: SEE?  They didn't die from it, they died with it.  The numbers don't add up, Granda, there's no more people dying than there normally would be.
Me: If the government is lying about the virus, then why is it giving out low death numbers?  Shouldn't they be giving out higher death numbers to back up their lies?
Niece: It's all planned.  It's a plandemic.

Apparantly she (and her mum) had decided "the virus is all planned" because they'd become aware of a Youtube video called PLANdemic, which they had not even watched, but they had figured out the gist from the name.  How do you even fight this?

Phenomenal.

The level of ignorance could power the grid.

My cousin keeps randomly posting bizarre Youtube videos, most of which are right-wing grifts or MLM schemes, to our footy chat group, thinking he is being provocative, free thinking and "separating himself from the herd." I've stomached a few of the videos out of curiosity, and i actually worry for him, because if the level of some of these claims and their "evidence" is all you have, then you really are too far gone to even have a conversation with, never mind the fact that you are being led down the bigot rabbit hole towards the astonishing, newly minted, not at all racist or horrendous view that its the Jews that done it!

[Rately]

Apparantly she (and her mum) had decided "the virus is all planned" because they'd become aware of a Youtube video called PLANdemic, which they had not even watched, but they had figured out the gist from the name.  How do you even fight this?

TBH, this is the most enraging thing about the whole 'conspiracy' angle... it makes literally no sense. It's both insane and idiotic. There's no part of any of the 'conspiracy' stuff that stands up to a moment's rational scrutiny, and yet somehow there's no reasoning with these people.

5G, Jim. I'm tracking you now. You'll be easier followed when you take the vaccine laced with nano trackers...

Now, get your Mask back on so I can take away your freedoms.