Hullo, all!
Can any Dreddheads out there recall if the story of Judge Anderson's hotdog run has ever been told...?
Can't seem to find any details on this...
Also, what exactly do we know about her parents...? (Apart from the fact that her father was abusive.)
Any pointers appreciated.
Cheers in advance
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Never read such. Closest thing was a young Anderson story where she and some other cadets gets to ride on lawmasters and solving a case (which included organ harvesting from dead babies).
As for her parents, not much more than the Endgram episode.
Her mum as only been mentioned in a throw away line where Cassandra thinks or talks about herself as "Mrs Anderson girl".
As for her dad. She's only remembered him once or twice very shortly (with a hat obscuring his looks) when thinking about evil doers (along side the likes of Judge Death and Orlock).
Didn't the IDW story touch on it too. Not sure if that counts as canon though. (It should)
Matt Smith wrote an Anderson series for IDW, which gave the details of her birth as 2080, at Stoprams hospital (Sector 6) (http://i.imgur.com/WPZ5Zn7.jpg). After considering Martha and Anneka as names for their newborn, her parents settle on Cassandra (http://i.imgur.com/mQ8eyk0.jpg), after her paternal grandmother*.
That's more biographical information than I can remember reading in Fleetway/Rebellion strips. I haven't read all of Alan Grant's Cadet Anderson strips; I don't think they cover her hotdog run, but they feature cadets running around the city unsupervised, shooting cits.
Maybe things were more lax under Goodman, or maybe formal aspects of training like the hotdog run are more recent innovations than we assume. The 1995 DC Dredd series featured a pre-Justice Department cop called Anderson with psi talents; presumably her grandfather.
I think DC's Legends of the Law (http://comicvine.gamespot.com/judge-dredd-legends-of-the-law-4-legends-of-the-la/4000-272804/) featured an early meeting between Dredd and a pre-teen Anderson, written by Wagner & Grant, but I haven't read that.
* Sucking up to Tharg by putting those details in the prog/Meg, thereby making them canon, doesn't seem like a bad career move.
Not in the prog....I get Lucasian in terms of anything else -non canon. Z
Quote from: ZenArcade on 07 July, 2016, 05:56:41 PM
Not in the prog....I get Lucasian in terms of anything else -non canon. Z
Thats a bit harsh on the meg. :lol: slightly OT I think there can be a good case made for including the IDW Dredd Year 1 and Anderson strips. Written by Tharg and drawn by established droids. They reference Prog continuity and don't retcon anything.
Sorted. Cheers, all!
Couldn't find anything online and was worried I was missing something obvious.
P.S. It's aaaaaall canon, baby! ;)
Quote from: James Stacey on 08 July, 2016, 08:52:07 AM
there can be a good case made for including the IDW Dredd Year 1 and Anderson strips. Written by Tharg and drawn by established droids. They reference Prog continuity and don't retcon anything.
The example I always trot out is Eustace Fargo, who was always just plain Fargo until Andy Helfer christened him so in the 1994 DC Dredd series. Wagner ran with it.
Wasn't Dredd just Joe till the 95 movie too.
Quote from: James Stacey on 08 July, 2016, 01:40:58 PM
Wasn't Dredd just Joe till the 95 movie too.
Yep. I'd happily let them drop that particular innovation.
It's only something that appears on official forms (or the sides of test tubes) anyway; nobody ever actually calls him
Joseph - in fact, I can't remember the last time someone even addressed him as Joe.
I suppose he outranks everyone, and all his contemporaries are dead (usually because of him). Even Hershey, his boss, got to know him when he was already a legend, ruling out forenames.
I saw the title and assumed this was either a call for information on official canon, or someone writing erotic slashfic.
Quote from: Butch on 08 July, 2016, 01:51:23 PM
It's only something that appears on official forms (or the sides of test tubes) anyway; nobody ever actually calls him Joseph - in fact, I can't remember the last time someone even addressed him as Joe.
I suppose he outranks everyone, and all his contemporaries are dead (usually because of him). Even Hershey, his boss, got to know him when he was already a legend, ruling out forenames.
Judge Dekker
"See you on the streets, Joe..."
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Quote from: Butch on 08 July, 2016, 01:51:23 PMin fact, I can't remember the last time someone even addressed him as Joe.
Vienna almost always refers to him as 'Uncle Joe', although admittedly she hasn't appeared for ages.
Anderson's hotdog run has never been mentioned as far as I can find, but it seems a fairly logical thing to appear in Alan Grant's Cadet Anderson stories, so you might want to ask him first.
I like that this thread comes up on the home screen as 'Judge Anderson's hot...'
I'll confess to being baffled by the whole Joe/Joseph debate. Only a handful of people have ever call me James -- it's what's on my birth certificate; it's my given name. Ever since I was born, however, my parents called me Jim, because it's a legitimate contraction of the name. Likewise, Joe is a contraction of Joseph. My dad's given name was David, but everyone called him Dave. I have no idea why this is a difficult concept for people to grasp.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 08 July, 2016, 08:03:40 PM
I like that this thread comes up on the home screen as 'Judge Anderson's hot...'
I came he for Anderson hentai and was very disappointed!
I find it odd that we, the Mick, pronounce 'Joseph' differently from how you, the Brits, do. We use an unvoiced 's' while you use a voiced one, which sounds like 'Jozeph' to me (I chose it for my confirmation name when I was wee, and it annoyed me when my English mother used the voiced 's'). I don't know how the Americans say it - I think it's more like the Irish way but I'm not sure.
I never really thought of Dredd's name as being a short form of 'Joseph' before they started using it in the prog - I suppose I thought of it as some kind of future linguistic evolutionary process where 'Joe' was a full name in its own right. Utter bollocks, of course, but there you go.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 July, 2016, 08:20:19 PM
I'll confess to being baffled by the whole Joe/Joseph debate. Only a handful of people have ever call me James -- it's what's on my birth certificate; it's my given name. Ever since I was born, however, my parents called me Jim, because it's a legitimate contraction of the name. Likewise, Joe is a contraction of Joseph. My dad's given name was David, but everyone called him Dave. I have no idea why this is a difficult concept for people to grasp.
Good point, Jimmy.
Quote from: Hawkmumbler on 08 July, 2016, 08:28:36 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 08 July, 2016, 08:03:40 PM
I like that this thread comes up on the home screen as 'Judge Anderson's hot...'
I came he for Anderson hentai and was very disappointed!
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You're welcome.
It's pronounced Slaaaaawwwwwwn-Yeh.
I used to think it was illegal to be officially registered as a shortened name - if you were Joe, your birth certificate must have said Joseph, if you were Jim, you must be James etc.
Then my best mate had a baby and decided to call him Joe E. (The E didn't stand for anything) ::)
My mum hated the shortening of the names she'd given us, and would refuse to take phone calls from mates: "No there's nobody called Phil here ... we do have a Philip, would you like to speak to him?"
Quote from: Alec Worley on 08 July, 2016, 11:21:14 AM
Sorted. Cheers, all!
Couldn't find anything online and was worried I was missing something obvious.
P.S. It's aaaaaall canon, baby! ;)
So, what's the story, hot dog run glory? Cass meeting her mum out in the rad land?
I feel like Psi Judges might not get the standard 'ride out into the Cursed Earth' Hotdog Run. Rather something more... Exotic?
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 08 July, 2016, 08:30:38 PM
I never really thought of Dredd's name as being a short form of 'Joseph'
I never really thought Dredd had a forename.
Rico isn't Steve Rico, Kraken wasn't Paul Kraken, and nobody ever called Nimrod Dave. Why would a clone need a forename to distinguish them from other members of their family, when they have no family?
Joe's a blandly anonymous name applied to someone when their name doesn't matter - like Joe Public or Joe Bloggs. It's what other characters call Clint in that film where he plays The Man With No Name.
Being 2 of the the very first batch of clone 'originals', the tradition of first names still applied to Joe & Rico (I) Dredd.
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Quote from: The Adventurer on 08 July, 2016, 11:13:49 PM
I feel like Psi Judges might not get the standard 'ride out into the Cursed Earth' Hotdog Run. Rather something more... Exotic?
Well, this. It's not even their supernatural abilities, but do Psi judges go out on patrol, ever?
Anderson worked as a touchy-feely foil to Dredd in Judge Death, way back when. And through personal sacrifice, of course. Not something I've cared for since. Has a Psi judge ever fired a lawgiver?
Psi-Division is a hard sell, is all I'm saying.
QuoteRico isn't Steve Rico, Kraken wasn't Paul Kraken, and nobody ever called Nimrod Dave.
How do we know, they were all relatively short lived characters, Paul Kraken has quiet a ring to it!
Dredd has had the name Joe since sub Prog 100.
QuoteWhy would a clone need a forename to distinguish them from other members of their family, when they have no family?
To integrate the clones with their peers and have an obvious difference in the class would be one, and Rico as a first name, well,
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Quote from: maryanddavid on 09 July, 2016, 01:03:58 AM
QuoteRico isn't Steve Rico, Kraken wasn't Paul Kraken, and nobody ever called Nimrod Dave.
How do we know, they were all relatively short lived characters
As with Joe, Rico the
first has been Rico Dredd since his intro in Prog 30, but the
second Rico - what's his first-name?
Is he Rico Dredd or just Rico?
Peter I reckon.
He's more of a Noel.
Rico II is just Rico - he chose the name himself. Before that he was just the Texas City Dredd.
Although if he was Noel he'd be 'N. Rico'. And if he was Che he'd be 'Rico, Che'
I've always wanted to know what Judge Giant Jnr's first name is - he's not a clone, he definitely has one. (His surname, of course, is neither 'Giant' nor Clay, but Dormer.)
Quote from: Greg M. on 09 July, 2016, 07:31:55 AM
I've always wanted to know what Judge Giant Jnr's first name is - he's not a clone, he definitely has one. (His surname, of course, is neither 'Giant' nor Clay, but Dormer.)
I've always had the distinct impression that it was Cassius, based on no evidence whatsoever.
It'd be fitting alright, with the original Giant being Clay. That or Ali. Ali G. has a certain ring to it.
It's interesting to think about how many judges don't have first names: Cal, for example,
Dummies. Giant Jr's name is revealed in the eponymous title of his debut; his name's Young*, like Jay Z (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViwtNLUqkMY):
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* Although, as a fan of nominative determinism, I'd have gone for Angry McMumdead.
Looking at that page has made me realise why Al Ewing favoured Giant as replacement for a retired/dead Dredd. Unlike Dredd, Giant has the kind of origin story, inciting incident, and motivation fans of US comics demand.
Dredd's non-origin story - he was born, then graduated - has turned out to be more interesting, but having Giant running around emoting to himself 'gonna punish perps, LIKE THEY PUNISHED MY MOM!!!' is obviously a much easier sell for writers.
Quote from: Tordelback on 09 July, 2016, 09:32:51 AM
It'd be fitting alright, with the original Giant being Clay. That or Ali. Ali G. has a certain ring to it.
It's interesting to think about how many judges don't have first names: Cal, for example,
It's Brian* Cal.
I don't think Barbara Hershey had a first name till around the mid-90s - it was hinted at during the election after McGruder stood down, but I can't remember when it was revealed in full.
*Also my name. I've often felt it an unnecessary encumbrance.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 09 July, 2016, 11:29:35 AM
I don't think Barbara Hershey had a first name till around the mid-90s - it was hinted at during the election after McGruder stood down, but I can't remember when it was revealed in full.
Hershey gets her first name during 'The Harlequin's Dance' by Igor Goldkind in 1993.
Quote from: Tordelback on 09 July, 2016, 09:32:51 AM
Cal, for example,
Now, I reckon Cal's first name is Quentin, after the haircut he sports for a while because Brian Bolland hadn't seen I, Claudius but he had seen The Naked Civil Servant.
Or maybe Guy, after Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus, aka Caligula.
Or Vin. Or Hob.
Quote from: Greg M. on 09 July, 2016, 11:33:50 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 09 July, 2016, 11:29:35 AM
I don't think Barbara Hershey had a first name till around the mid-90s - it was hinted at during the election after McGruder stood down, but I can't remember when it was revealed in full.
Hershey gets her first name during 'The Harlequin's Dance' by Igor Goldkind in 1993.
Named by a phone in poll in the Megazine, if I recall. For some reason.
I never liked 'Barbara' as Hershey's first name - there was a lack of imagination in that choice. Why give her an identical name to a present-day famous person?
Quote from: Tordelback on 09 July, 2016, 09:32:51 AM
It's interesting to think about how many judges don't have first names: Cal, for example,
Just as PJ Maybe has a girl's name for his middle name, Cal's given names were Anna Tommy.
Other contenders for his first name include Illogi, Psychopathi, Atypi, Ras, Diaboli or even Monomania.
The first Rico was Rico Dredd. Rather annoyingly, some writers and artists have appeared to think that Rico is his surname, which defeats Pat Mills's purpose in creating the character: he's Joe Dredd's brother. They would have the same surname.
The second Rico was originally just called Dredd, with no first name. At the end of his first story, he changed it to Rico, which is his surname (and as far as we know, his only name. Unless he kept Dredd as a first name. Making him Dredd Rico. But probably not).
Judge-Tutor Semple's first name is Hadrianus... i know you bwere dying to know. As to the version of Judge-Tutor Semple in Mike's novellas I don't know... (at Lawgiver the Simp is Simple Semple).
All natural born Judges obviously would have first names. Writers just aren't obliged to tell us what they are. It helps the dehumanising of Judges ton simply have Surnames.
I assume that clones still have first and last names. Especially as they no longer know they are clint's since the Dolman incident. This is confirmed with Jessica Paris (see Foreseen by Michael Carroll).
Plus... no Anderson's Hotdog Run hasn't been detailed. I can't recall it being mentioned.
It's Mills's early story, where Rico refers to himself as Judge Dredd* and Mills christens Dredd 'Joe', that's the anomaly. Wagner had to incorporate Mills's misstep into official lore (http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m75w7pPJn21ro8lwl.jpg), but he hasn't repeated it.
In almost forty years of comics, Wagner hasn't given another clone a forename.
Dolman's a great example; not a judge anymore, but nobody - including Vienna, who always refers to Dredd as Uncle Joe - ever calls him Kevin. Clones don't get forenames **.
* The family name argument doesn't stack up. Rico's not Dredd's brother; they're both the same person - Eustace Fargo.
** EDIT for BatKing: was that detail about clones no longer being told their origins featured in an actual story? And was that explicitly because of Dolman?
QuoteRico's not Dredd's brother
Yes they're both clones of Fargo, but in pretty much every story Rico I is in they are still referred to as brothers -- including in the Wagner story in which Rico II first appeared. Their social relationship overrides the biological reality. And I would suggest that the line "he ain't heavy -- he's my brother!" at the end of the prog 30 story works better than "he's my clone" would.
Quote from: Richard on 09 July, 2016, 07:15:42 PM
I would suggest that the line "he ain't heavy -- he's my brother!" at the end of the prog 30 story works better than "he's my clone" would
ARF! Mills stories, for all they built much of what became essential to the strip, feature a lot of stuff that was excised as the strip found its identity - the death belt, Dredd having pals, and the female victim in
The Man Who Drank The Blood Of Satanus being Dredd's squeeze.
As you point out, every artist who's drawn Rico since has given him a badge that says
RICO - it would have been better if Dredd as a family name had gone the way of other early apocrypha, like Megacity PD and all judges gripping their forearm as support when they shoot.
Quote from: Butch on 09 July, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
** EDIT for BatKing: was that detail about clones no longer being told their origins featured in an actual story? And was that explicitly because of Dolman?
Can't double check my memory as I'm away from my Progs... pretty sure it is in Foreseen by Michael Carroll Progs 1830 to 1835.
Quote from: Richard on 09 July, 2016, 07:15:42 PM
QuoteRico's not Dredd's brother
Yes they're both clones of Fargo, but in pretty much every story Rico I is in they are still referred to as brothers -- including in the Wagner story in which Rico II first appeared. Their social relationship overrides the biological reality. And I would suggest that the line "he ain't heavy -- he's my brother!" at the end of the prog 30 story works better than "he's my clone" would.
Unless the terminology changes, Joe and Rico Dredd
are brothers, as cloning is a form of artificial asexual reproduction of a single parent - Fargo. That also makes Kraken another brother, as well as quite a lot of the other Judda (the only one we know for sure is a Fargo clone is killed at the start of Oz). Rico II, Dolman, Nimrod and at least nine others are actually cloned from Dredd (as Fargo's genetic material was stolen by Judd), which makes them siblings at least with Dredd as the father.
Dredd also gave birth to a Starborn Thing, but that probably doesn't count as part of the bloodline.
Quote from: Bat King on 09 July, 2016, 07:36:57 PM
Quote from: Butch on 09 July, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
** EDIT for BatKing: was that detail about clones no longer being told their origins featured in an actual story? And was that explicitly because of Dolman?
Can't double check my memory as I'm away from my Progs... pretty sure it is in Foreseen by Michael Carroll Progs 1830 to 1835
Thanks, Bat King:
The Forsaken, prog 1834. It's a weird fudge; Sorvino says clones aren't told anymore, but Dolman states that in this case Paris
was told - the facts of her conception just weren't
'made public' (for some reason).
Justv noticed that my phone autocorrected Foresaken to Foreseen both times I typed it. Annoying much...
Quote from: Butch on 07 July, 2016, 05:40:29 PMMatt Smith wrote an Anderson series for IDW, which gave the details of her birth as 2080, at Stoprams hospital (Sector 6) (http://i.imgur.com/WPZ5Zn7.jpg).
Anderson's date of birth was first suggested HERE (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=thrillviewer&choice=haunting&thrillpage=5).
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 09 July, 2016, 11:52:39 AMNow, I reckon Cal's first name is Quentin, after the haircut he sports for a while because Brian Bolland hadn't seen I, Claudius but he had seen The Naked Civil Servant.
Or maybe Guy, after Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus, aka Caligula.
T'was my thinking too when I dubbed him 'Guy Pascal' for some fan-wank I writed wayyyy back when I took my fan-wank seriously.
These days I'd probably call him 'Wuncallis Shugafree'.