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If you are visiting the Birmingham International Comics' Show this weekend, be sure to drop by the 2000 AD stand and be the first to pick up our brand new Art Droid Sketchbook.

The 48-page A5 book is the perfect tome for collecting scrotnig sketches from all your favourite artists and can be yours for only £5.

Link: Tharg's Newsround

Heh - great idea!

Who's going, by the way?

Me, I'll be selling my patented 'Not-official artdroids' sketchpad. Basically, six sheets of photocopy paper stapled together for a tenner.

- pj

I'll be there.

I'm not, but I'll being asking Mike to pick me up a copy.

I'll be there, and Mini-bolt was just saying he wanted a new sketchbook...

Bolt-01

I'll be there.

I'll be trying to stretch a tiny amount of money as far as possible, and hopefully beyond!  

Having to miss this one.
Saving my money for the Memorabilia show at the NEC 24/25 November. Hopefully picking up 2k marvel figs cheap there.
Plus visiting the inlaws this weekend.

Hmmm

Out Friday and Saturday night down here, but might try and get up to Brum for this...

Any more details?

Yup, I'll be there (Leigh Gallagher)--be gentle with me...

Details, you say..?

Link: Here you go.

I'll be there for the Sat getting tongue-tied and probably saying something dumb to Mike McMahon.

Should be good.

Yeah, McMahon opening the sketchbook...

Drool.

Bolt-01

Wish i could but i'll be doing my short range course so i can instruct SA80 and LSW on a 25M range.

SA-80 what a piece of shit. The army should have never changed it with the SLR.



V

 
 What would your choice be just out of interest?

piece of shit it may be but it still fires bullets and i have the next two weekends to fire shedloads, of course whilst paying full attention to the instructor so i can pass the exam.

At the time when I joined the army the SLR was the most powerful rifle being used by any major armed forces.
A test was done between the SLR the AK47 and the M16, firing into concrete, ours won hands down with the M16 propping up the rear.
The round of the SLR is 7.62 whereas the SA80 is only 5.56. The point is if hit by a 7.62 round you stay down, a 5.56 in theory you could carry on fighting. Thats what we were taught anyway.
The Afghans are using the AK47=7.62 thats why one round is killing our troops when they are hit.

but.. but.. the SA80 has that cool bull-pup design!

- pj

  Thats quite shocking really but it just leads back to what i was saying last night about the government.I wonder who is arming the Afghanis?

Well, a lot of the Eastern Bloc countries were manufacturing 'AK-47/ 74' variants, as well as identikit, copies themselves. The Czech's were making them, the Chinese made a model also. I suppose with the collapse of the Eastern Bloc it would have freed up shedloads of AK-type weapons.
Isn't the original Israeli galil built along the lines of an AK too?

although its changed the subject slightly the idea of changing from 7.62 and the SLR to the NATO standard 5.56 and the SA80 was that its thrue that if hit by the 7.62 you were probably never going to get up again but if your deadyour dead. The 5.56 was designed to incapacitate so that the casualty has to be casevaced, hospitalised and given treatment so therefore taking up valuable resourses of the enemy. Personally i'd rather see the enemy never getting up again.






back to your regular programming now.

I like the sketchbook, though I fear artists may come to fear its approach :p

"The 5.56 was designed to incapacitate"

Indeed. Precisely the same school of thought that brought us the anti-personnel landmine with precisely enough power to blow off the victim's foot.

A dead victim is just meat ... blow off his foot and not only do you debilitate the victim themselves, but two more people have to carry them off the field of battle and then [god only knows how many] people have to nurse them back to health, except that these people will NEVER fight!

Cheers!

Jim

Although basically an SA-80, I found that the bolt-action of the GP was a right pain in the arse. I actually prefer the action on the Enfield.

Needless to say, I was *briefly* in cadets in my youth, but an incident at Swynnerton involving a 'hard-man' of a 16 year old corporal, a sewage outlet river and the butt of my GP secured my desire to leave. I was suspended for a month (not for hitting him, but for cocking my rifle and pointing it at his face afterwards), but decided I wasn't going to go back once the month was up.

Right, if you're fighting extremists, wouldn't it be part of martyrdom to be left for dead?

They are fighting suicide squads most of the time are they not?

This is total conjecture.

Incapacitating them can only serve to slow them down, so that you can finally get that sketch of a bone munching, neanderthal from prog 300 surely?

*Sorry, bad joke.

Apart from my obvious attempt to mix two subjects, I still feel that NATO have to have considered this. There is/was speculation that it were for a more humane approach to warfare. I don't see many wheelchairs in operation over there tho.



*(While I'm apologizing; Bryan Talbot's a lovely man and has no grudge to bear with any fan.)

Have I accidentally gone onto a 'guns & ammo' message board????

Link: www.thecomicsshow.co.uk

Have I accidentally gone onto a 'guns & ammo' message board????

Link: www.thecomicsshow.co.uk

Have I accidentally gone onto a 'guns & ammo' message board????

Link: www.thecomicsshow.co.uk

The SA80 is and always will be shite.
The SLR modified with half a matchstick is the real deal.
Also Logan you should know better, these weapons fire rounds, bullets are for civillians.
Depending on what job you are going to do dictates the power that you will need. I personally want my enemy to stay down and to be dead. The old addage to wound so as to draw your mates out was correct with sniping but I can tell you it takes a lot of guts to race into open ground to try and recover a mate when a sniper is about. It's not like the movies when the sights follow you when you zig zag. The sniper will predict your ground and wait till you run into his sights.
Also the easier a weapon is to clean and the less parts the better.
One last thing look at what special forces carry nowadays, I don't see many SA80's.
Then again different gats for different jobs.

By the way I haven't looked but does the shop sell these art pads?

I had forgotten the old matchstick trick.
Not much control though, only did it with blanks while simulating an ambush.

I'm starting to fear that Wertham was right....

"I wonder who is arming the Afghanis?"

No need to. Grab what ever's lying around, clean it up and you're good to go.

This is a bit more like it but it still fires 5.56 rounds unless there is an upgrade to a 7.62.These have only been around for about 3 years but they might become standard issue.They are lightweight rifles as they are mostly made from carbon fibre [i think].

  Is there a lot of close quarters combat going on in Afghanistan ?  I say this because the Ak47s and variants dont have an awful lot of range unless i am wrong.

 Its quite incredible when you look at what was used in the second world war. For example the Lee enfield  Rifle that was Used throughout.Completely manual and reload after just 1 shot although i think they could fire 5 rounds without reloading.This is the only gun i have fired apart from shotguns.

Nice sketchbook though.

 Does anyone know if these will be available after the event ? would it be possible to get one if they dont sell out ?

So, this sketchbook, is an A5 book, with blank pages, for a fiver.


I have some old rope available if anyone is interested.

  Doesnt it have any drawings in it at all? Only i dont know as that link that was provided in 3 posts doesnt seem to work here.I can get a3 blank sketchbooks here from the art shop for a fiver.

Yeah, but it won't be an 'official' one.

You know me I'll have to have two.
One for sketches and one to be kept unused.

By the way I have some money ready for that Judge Dredd rope Uncle Umpty, where is it?

 If they were A3 i would have liked to have some but A 5 is a bit small but that is the definition of a sketch book anyway.

A sketchbook is a book for sketches.

As for that rope CF, just paypal me what you have and I'll forward it on to you.

I see 200AD are giving a talk early Saturday morning - anyone going to that?  with Joe in tow, I'm gonna have to miss that one.  As always, I'm interested to hear whats said - I could even provide recording equipment! :)

I'm planning on getting to that one- but it is the first talk of the day (I'd rather it was early afternoon) and so many folks are going to be making a turn of the Dealer tables.

Bolt-01

I can cover you at the table for a while - Joe can turn on the charm in his McMahon t shirt for added sales!

But yeah - its a pain its so early - by early afternoon, Joe could have been asleep!

What would it cost me for someone to pick it up and get some lovely sketchs in it to boot. Course I'll pay for postage and trouble of doing it.

critter