“Truth? You can't handle the truth!”

[The Legendary Shark]

When one thinks of all the plastics, metals, insecticides, hormones and Christ knows what else that surround us these days it's no wonder so many people are falling ill. When I was at primary school, I only remember one kid having asthma - now it seems like every other child has it.

[Richmond Clements]

Anyway forget apricot kernels

No, let's not. It is not acceptable to throw shit like 'Apricot kernels cure all cancer' and then say 'Anyway forget it' when someone presents you with evidence to the contrary, and then follow it up with something equally left field.

If you don't want to be taken to task for making extraordinary claims, then don't make them

I have experience of this myself

You have? Okay...

and while it doesnt prove turmeric cures cancer

Ah- so actually you haven't. Why mention it then?

[Proudhuff]

'Fair enough as there is very little evidence that proves it cures cancer and the strongest case for it is that there are tribes of people who live in remote areas whose diets are high in B17 where there are no instances of cancer'.

They could also have no instances traffic polution, plastic products surrounding them from birth, processed foods, meat injected with protiens and growth hormones...  doesn't prove anything. 

I'd put money on guessing that the tribes that eat long-pig have no instances of cancer, should we all start eating that?

Go to the badscience page, read learn!! 

[Emperor]

Its apricot kernels that are thought to cure cancer

Really? All cancers? Everything from melanomas to leukemia? REALLY?

[I have been drinking.... ]

Heres a link to a website with lots of articles about it.If you are interested in Natural* health then this website is the most reliable and its all in one place which makes it all easy rather than trawling thorough endless websites wanting to sell you their products as well as the quacks:

http://www.naturalnews.com/GoogleSearchResults.html?q=vitamin+b17&cx=010579349100583850635%3Aw_kzwe9_yca&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&sa.x=38&sa.y=11&sa=Search&siteurl=www.naturalnews.com%2Fcancer.html#1348

An internal search on someone's website isn't that useful. This would have been better:

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=vitamin+b17+cancer

Just a quick selection from the first page:

The vitamin fraud in cancer quackery - freely available to read online:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1129741/

Alternative Cancer Cures: "Unproven" or "Disproven"?

Oncology has always coexisted with therapies offered outside of conventional cancer treatment centers and based on theories not found in biomedicine. These alternative cancer cures have often been described as "unproven," suggesting that appropriate clinical trials have not been conducted and that the therapeutic value of the treatment is unknown. Contrary to much popular and scientific writing, many alternative cancer treatments have been investigated in good quality clinical trials, and they have been shown to be ineffective. In this article, clinical trial data on a number of alternative cancer cures including Livingston-Wheeler, Di Bella Multitherapy, antineoplastons, vitamin C, hydrazine sulfate, Laetrile, and psychotherapy are reviewed. The label "unproven" is inappropriate for such therapies; it is time to assert that many alternative cancer therapies have been "disproven."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.3322/canjclin.54.2.110/full

Obviously, if I or a close family member, had cancer I'd want to research things more thoroughly (and someone is always perfectly welcome not to go with the doctor's advice and rub hemp oil on their gums if they want) but on a quick skim there I'd have to say I'd be leaning towards the more unpleasant but effective medical treatments.

[The Legendary Shark]

Let's just hope that none of us ever has to test it.

[Peter Wolf]

'Fair enough as there is very little evidence that proves it cures cancer and the strongest case for it is that there are tribes of people who live in remote areas whose diets are high in B17 where there are no instances of cancer'.

They could also have no instances traffic polution, plastic products surrounding them from birth, processed foods, meat injected with protiens and growth hormones...  doesn't prove anything. 



Go to the badscience page, read learn!! 

I was going to say the same thing as its obvious as its a clean enviroment.

Anyway forget apricot kernels

No, let's not. It is not acceptable to throw shit like 'Apricot kernels cure all cancer' and then say 'Anyway forget it' when someone presents you with evidence to the contrary, and then follow it up with something equally left field.

If you don't want to be taken to task for making extraordinary claims, then don't make them

I have experience of this myself

You have? Okay...

and while it doesnt prove turmeric cures cancer

Ah- so actually you haven't. Why mention it then?

So when i make statements that are incorrect [despite making no absolute claims as i used terms like "If" and "are thought to"] and i am corrected and state that i am wrong its still not good enough for you ?

I have already said that "there is very little evidence that b17 cures cancer" going by the article you linked to.

This is what happens in debate as its quite normal and if claims i have made are wrong  then that doesnt mean that i dont want to be taken to task over it as i dont object to being taken to task over anything and if i am proved wrong then its part of the learning process and wheni am debating things i am always reasonable but here you are coming across as somewhat unreasonable.

Where have i said i dont want to be taken to task over anything ?

"Ah so you actually havent..."

My comment was self explanatory and what i thought was Melanoma was not diagnosed as Melanoma as i have already explained.So at present its unknown wether or not i had cancer

"Why mention it then ?"

I mentioned it because i wanted to mention it and i thought it might be of interest and if i want to type an anecdote based on personal experience then i will.

Do i have to ask you first ?

As for Turmeric then the orthodox Cancer Research are researching it and so are others so i dont get why you still call it "Left field" in a dismissive way when the whole point of science and research is to investigate and research and test it so that it can produce empirical evidence for it which is what they are doing.

If science didnt investigate and research new things then technology would never improve.

[Mikey]

Anecdotal evidence is nowhere near the same as research.

Admit it - Richmond won that round.

M

[Robin Low]

I have experience of this myself and while it doesnt prove turmeric cures cancer its interesting given the fact it is being studied.I had a mole that appeared out of nowhere that grew in size and seemed to have similarities to a Melanoma.I had this when i was at the HI-EX.I went to a GP about it who said it wasnt "sinister" but no tests were done and it was left at that.I didnt bother going to see a specialist.It was itchy and had a scabby surface to it.I didnt know it was cancer for sure but it felt like there was something wrong.

Sounds like a seborrheic keratosis. I had one myself a few years ago - first appeared as a smooth pale brown mole, then suddenly grew rather quickly to a darker, scabbier lump. At this point I went to my GP who gave me, and I quote accurately, "permission to pick". I was advised to rub some greasy moisturiser in to it first. However, all I did was just pick at the edges until it start to bleed, then stopped, then picked again the next day. I'd got rid of it by the end of the week, and now there's no sign it was ever there. (It goes without saying that I'd advise checking these things with GPs before picking, of course.)

We see heaps of bits of skin in the lab every week - sometimes it's hard to comprehend the sheer number of people who've had bits of skin sliced, excised or punched. Same for the number of people who've had tubes stuck up one end or the other to sample their guts.

Regards

Robin

[Definitely Not Mister Pops]

When one thinks of all the plastics, metals, insecticides, hormones and Christ knows what else that surround us these days it's no wonder so many people are falling ill. When I was at primary school, I only remember one kid having asthma - now it seems like every other child has it.

I'm struggling with this point. I wouldn't deny that those things can have adverse effects on Human physiology, but, but, almost everything can. The things you've listed are just products of our modern age, and they cause modern problems. So everyone has asthma now? When my Great Granda was alive everyone had consumption.

[Peter Wolf]

Anecdotal evidence is nowhere near the same as research.

Admit it - Richmond won that round.

M

I thought that i already had admitted it above.

*

Moving on from that this video was brought to my attention this morning of all times.I knew nothing of it previously and i have watched three quarters of it earlier today.

I am not commenting on its content or its claims so here it is and if you could try not to shoot the messenger[myself] and presume that by providing the link to it i am advocating anything then that would be appreciated.

The Great Cancer Hoax:

http://www.burzynskimovie.com/

[Mikey]

Ah-I broke my own rule about posting on this thread I see! (Plus the general not when drinking one) Glad I didn't fuel any flames - it was the cheeky red's fault.

M

[Peter Wolf]

Ah-I broke my own rule about posting on this thread I see! (Plus the general not when drinking one) Glad I didn't fuel any flames - it was the cheeky red's fault.

M

You secure that shit next time Mikey !!

[The Legendary Shark]

... this video was brought to my attention this morning of all times.I knew nothing of it previously and I have watched three quarters of it earlier today.

I am not commenting on its content or its claims so here it is and if you could try not to shoot the messenger[myself] and presume that by providing the link to it i am advocating anything then that would be appreciated.

The Great Cancer Hoax:

http://www.burzynskimovie.com/

Of course, one must always be careful with documentaries addressing such subjects (indeed, one must be careful of any documentary) but this one does seem to be honest and cites references throughout.

It does demonstrate how a cure for cancer would practically destroy the modern cancer treatment industry and bankrupt many drugs companies. There are conspiracies in the world otherwise the word conspiracy would not exist and films like this expose the naked greed which is behind most of them.

In years to come, I hope Dr Burzynski will be remembered in the same way that Christiaan Barnard or Ignaz Semmelweis are remembered today. The only horror is the millions of people who will suffer and die globally while the zealotry of conventional medicine prevails.

Thanks for posting that link, Peter. A thought-provoking and well made film that should be shown to every doctor and health minister.

[Eric Plumrose]

[TordelBack]

He knows the score.