Here's a link.
http://www.legendary.com/legendary-entertainment-acquires-rights-to-frank-herberts-classic-sci-fi-novel-dune/
Sounds good in theory, but Brian Herbert is still listed as an executive producer, so take that as you will...
It's a ni, no if Brian Herbert is within 10 parsecs of it. He has thrashed Frank Herbert legacy. Z
Quote from: von Boom on 22 November, 2016, 04:25:03 PM
Sounds good in theory, but Brian Herbert is still listed as an executive producer, so take that as you will...
If he's not putting up the money for the film it's likely a nominal title that doesn't carry too much weight.
If it's half as good as their Power Rangers reboot looks, it'll be fried gold.
The hype must flow.
David Bautista of Guardians of the Galaxy to join DUNE remake.
https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/01/07/dune-reboot-dave-bautista-timothee-chalamet-denis-villeneuve/?fbclid=IwAR0b_3q0H61faw66-5OW9KsgmkIBzk6YdDyv11ll5DpZLVd3Nfr80wTatME
I saw that. Seems like overkill for Rabban who is a tertiary character at best. Unless they are planning to expand the character for some pointless reason.
Well, Ridley Scott was executive producer for BR2049, and he didn't have much, if any, influence on that, so I don't think it matters. So far the right people are in the right places.
Quote from: Rusty on 08 January, 2019, 06:26:59 PM
Well, Ridley Scott was executive producer for BR2049, and he didn't have much, if any, influence on that...
Apart from the
directing, he doesn't seem to see it that way.
What did you make of the way Blade Runner 2049 was received?
[Whispers] I have to be careful what I say. I have to be careful what I say. It was fucking way too long. Fuck me! And most of that script's mine.
Really?
Yes!
The story, or the script?
I sit with writers for an inordinate amount of time and I will not take credit, because it means I've got to sit there with a tape recorder while we talk. I can't do that to a good writer. But I have to, because to prove I'm part of the actual process, I have to then have an endless amount [of proof], and I can't be bothered.
[Editor's note: Spoilers for Blade Runner 2049 follow in the next paragraph.]
But the big idea comes from Blade Runner. Tyrell is a trillionaire, maybe 5 to 10 percent of his business is AI. Like God, he has created perfect beings that, for all intents and purposes, there is no telling the difference from humans. Then he says, "You know what? I'm going to create an AI. I'll have a male and female, they will not know that they're both AIs, I'll have them meet each other, they will fall in love, they will consummate, and they will have a child." That's the first film. The second film is, what happens to the baby? You've got to have the baby, you can't have the mother, so the mother has to inexplicably die four months after she breastfeeds. The bones are found in the box at the foot of the tree — that's all me. And the digital girlfriend is me. I wanted an evolution from Pris, who is inordinately sexy in the original, right?
I would say iconically so.
I shouldn't talk. I'm being a bitch.https://www.vulture.com/2017/12/ridley-scott-all-the-money-in-the-world-reshoots.html
Ridley claimed a lot of stuff was his in that film. He even tried to influence how it was being directed, but Villeneuve told him to do one (obviously in a more polite manner, but the hint was the same).
Quote from: Rusty on 08 January, 2019, 07:27:59 PM
Ridley claimed a lot of stuff was his in that film. He even tried to influence how it was being directed, but Villeneuve told him to do one (obviously in a more polite manner, but the hint was the same).
I'm sure some of it is his (like the farm sequence being a leftover from the first film) but he was obviously feeling unloved/regretful after Convenant critically bombed and BR2049 was getting so much praise – or he'd just had a few sherries before the interview – either way the central premise of the film, the child, was Hampton Fancher's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ibTaoVU4g&t=11m25s)
Dune fans probably already know about Jodorowsky's Dune (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodorowsky%27s_Dune).
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 January, 2019, 07:40:33 PM
Quote from: Rusty on 08 January, 2019, 07:27:59 PM
Ridley claimed a lot of stuff was his in that film. He even tried to influence how it was being directed, but Villeneuve told him to do one (obviously in a more polite manner, but the hint was the same).
I'm sure some of it is his (like the farm sequence being a leftover from the first film) but he was obviously feeling unloved/regretful after Convenant critically bombed and BR2049 was getting so much praise – or he'd just had a few sherries before the interview – either way the central premise of the film, the child, was Hampton Fancher's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ibTaoVU4g&t=11m25s)
Yeah, no doubt he bounced ideas around and mentioned unicorns a few times, and then dropped the mother of all ideas he wanted *cough* Deckard being a replicant *cough* and was promptly shut down and given a latte or something to distract him from rambling. Then they told him they'd get back to him on his ideas and left it at that.
After reading this, that's probably how it went. Thankfully.
QuoteOh, it was always my thesis theory. It was one or two people who were relevant were... I can't remember if Hampton agreed with me or not. But I remember someone had said, "Well, isn't it corny?" I said, "Listen, I'll be the best f#@king judge of that. I'm the director, okay?" So, and that, you learn -- you know, by then I'm 44, so I'm no f#@king chicken. I'm a very experienced director from commercials and The Duellists and Alien. So, I'm able to, you know, answer that with confidence at the time, and say, "You know, back off, it's what it's gonna be." Harrison, he was never -- I don't remember, actually. I think Harrison was going, "Uh, I don't know about that." I said, "But you have to be, because Gaff, who leaves a trail of origami everywhere, will leave you a little piece of origami at the end of the movie to say, 'I've been here, I left her alive, and I can't resist letting you know what's in your most private thoughts when you get drunk is a f#@king unicorn!'" Right? So, I love Beavis and Butthead, so what should follow that is "Duh." So now it will be revealed [in the sequel], one way or the other.
Quote from: Rusty on 08 January, 2019, 11:59:07 PM
...I can't resist letting you know what's in your most private thoughts when you get drunk is a f#@king unicorn!'" Right? So, I love Beavis and Butthead, so what should follow that is "Duh." So now it will be revealed [in the sequel], one way or the other.
That interview will
always be the best. (https://ie.ign.com/articles/2017/06/22/blade-runner-turns-35-ridley-scott-discusses-the-films-legacy-deckards-true-nature-and-the-future-of-the-series?page=1)
Do we have so little to talk about that we're actually interested in who came up with what idea in a film of a thousand ideas?
Seems a bit harsh. Not every thread or post is going to be of interest to every forum member!
It's not like this place is alive with traffic these days... I don't think sniping at other posters because you don't personally find a conversation interesting is desperately helpful.
Well, I found it an interesting diversion, at least.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 January, 2019, 09:57:34 AM
Seems a bit harsh. Not every thread or post is going to be of interest to every forum member!
It's not like this place is alive with traffic these days... I don't think sniping at other posters because you don't personally find a conversation interesting is desperately helpful.
You're right, I apologise. I was triggered by something in the last few posts. No-one's problem but mine. :)
Quote from: wedgeski on 09 January, 2019, 09:50:06 AM
Do we have so little to talk about that we're actually interested in who came up with what idea in a film of a thousand ideas?
People love Blade Runner so much that, yes, they are interested in who came up with what idea. I was watching Mark Kermode wax lyrical the other day about exactly that: the fact that despite being able to talk to the actual creators, there was still disagreement about one of the central mysteries of the first movie.
Minutiae, you either dig it or you don't: although there are many sub categories of either option, sorted alphabetically or by distance or height or fathomability (my favorite). This (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/kzq37n/intentionally-bad-volume-controls-is-the-best-new-meme) is a great example.
Quote from: wedgeski on 09 January, 2019, 12:02:48 PM
You're right, I apologise. I was triggered by something in the last few posts. No-one's problem but mine. :)
I'm going to pretend that I've never made an bad-tempered or ill-considered post whose tone had absolutely nothing to do with the post I was responding to and everything to do with my mood and/or state of mind at the time.
Fortunately, the search function on this forum is so terrible so I'm confident that no one will be able to turn up any evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 January, 2019, 05:10:43 PM
Quote from: wedgeski on 09 January, 2019, 12:02:48 PM
You're right, I apologise. I was triggered by something in the last few posts. No-one's problem but mine. :)
I'm going to pretend that I've never made an bad-tempered or ill-considered post whose tone had absolutely nothing to do with the post I was responding to and everything to do with my mood and/or state of mind at the time.
Fortunately, the search function on this forum is so terrible so I'm confident that no one will be able to turn up any evidence to the contrary.
Don't concern yourself. I'm making a list for next time.
Quote from: CalHab on 09 January, 2019, 10:12:27 AM
Well, I found it an interesting diversion, at least.
The Soap-box never fails to entertain with those atypical quotes and links.
Stellan Skarsgård as Baron Harkonnen (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/stellan-skarsg-play-villain-legendarys-dune-1174870?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 09 January, 2019, 08:03:10 PM
Stellan Skarsgård as Baron Harkonnen (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/stellan-skarsg-play-villain-legendarys-dune-1174870?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
Good choice there. He'd better start eating now.
Quote from: von Boom on 09 January, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Good choice there. He'd better start eating now.
"Put the pick in there, Pete, and turn it 'round real neat."
Is Paul Atreides a Superhero? I've read that Frank Herbert's Dune is a sort of grim commentary on the dangers of absolute power. It has a strong ecological element and also the necessities of obtaining power through Religious subterfuge. But the genetically advanced prescient Superman is the main protagonist, Paul becomes Emporer by his ability to foresee future events. Marvel and DC dominate the Box Office, and I enjoy them, but their stories of 'superhumans' riding to the rescue I fear might reflect the times to well. Don't Trump, the Yellow Vested and others all claim to be radicals overthrowing the old guard, 'riding to the rescue' when they appear to me mere mirror reflections of went before more even extreme versions of Neo-Libertarianism. DUNE ends with Paul, an Aristocratic Superhuman overthrowing another aristocratic Despot the Padishah Emporer. Paul then sets up HIS Empire sending the Fremen on a Jihad to devastate the galaxy and keep any opposition to his rule occupied. All you get is a changing of the guard; a revolution is merely a tool to take power for yourself. Those Superhero movies might be far more Horror story than I've noticed before.
That's a valid reading, I think. It doesn't really address the theme of extremism and the way that religion gets distorted by power. It's at least 20 years since I've read the books, though.
Quote from: CalHab on 11 January, 2019, 08:28:11 AMIt doesn't really address the theme of extremism and the way that religion gets distorted by power. It's at least 20 years since I've read the books, though.
It's been about 25 years since I've read the books but as far as I can recall, from
Dune Messiah onwards, and with the later introduction of the
Honored Matres (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honored_Matres), that's a distinct theme.
The first novel plays with it subtly. The role of religion and prophecy are significant themes, together with ecology and eugenics. I'm not sure I'd describe Muad d'ib as a 'superhero', rather as a superman in the Nietzschean sense of the word. The 2nd and 3rd books really bring the dangers of 'religion' to the fore as Alia takes on the mantle of power then Paul's children. So yes, extremism and so on run through the books.
Paul Atriedes is a failed hero. The first book deals with his prescient awakening and his charasmatic leadership of the fremen to depose the galactic emperor and assume total dominance in the galaxy through a form of Hydraulic despotism (replace the water for a super drug vital to space navigation).
The second (my favourite) and third books deal with his essential failure and the assumption of his mantle by his son.
The fourth book shows us the sacrafice Paul's son underwent to guide humanity along a golden path (essentially a millennia long stagnation of society). His death leads to an explosion of humanity across the universe coupled with a new strain of human who is invisible to presience. The golden path being a mechanism whereby any internal or external force, prescient or not, cannot ever threaten the survival of the human species.
The fifth and sixth books explore these ideas in a more convoluted manner and at the end of the sixth book, we are left with a cliff hanger of sorts.
The seventh book was alas never written due to Frank Herberts untimely death.
Post script: The books written by his son and KJ Anderson (supposedly based on Frank Herberts 'notes') are entirely amateurish and mainly contradictory to Herbert's great creation. In my opinion they should not be considered relevant or associate with the six Dune novels.
They appear to be a crude effort to capatilise on a breathtakingly imaginative conceptual universe.
Post, post script. It is also worth bearing in mind that Frank Herberts Estate (his son) have a level of influence in this movie. I dread the prospect of any direct creative tampering by him. Z
Quote from: ZenArcade on 02 February, 2019, 01:07:06 PM
The seventh book was alas never written due to Frank Herberts untimely death.
Post script: The books written by his son and KJ Anderson (supposedly based on Frank Herberts 'notes') are entirely amateurish and mainly contradictory to Herbert's great creation. In my opinion they should not be considered relevant or associate with the six Dune novels.
There's some evidence in Frank Herbert's own interviews around the time of
Chapterhouse Dune that the outline for
Dune 7 at least existed.
I'll never read the postuhumous Prequels/Sequels that are allegedly based on this found outline, but
if it exists, many would like to read it – if they can ever find the initiative to publish it.
(https://i.redd.it/6n8lfm7pagfz.jpg)
Joe, maybe it's the old cynic in me, but the script will never be released because it is probably contrary to the absolute frankestienesque hack job the two guys have done to the series. Z
Indeed it likely is, but as cynicism is an obstinate bastard, these things inevitably reveal themselves, when there's still money to be made.
Some of Herbert's works are amongst the best ever published in Sci Fi.
The Disadi experiment is a classic. Z
Dosadi.... even. Z
Quote from: ZenArcade on 02 February, 2019, 01:07:06 PM
Post, post script. It is also worth bearing in mind that Frank Herberts Estate (his son) have a level of influence in this movie. I dread the prospect of any direct creative tampering by him. Z
Probably the most chilling thought concerning the new film, that Bobo may influence the outcome.
Authors' estates are often terrible at protecting their legacy. I think there should be a law that when a successful author dies, his entire family should be sacrificed.
Drag them out to the Tanezrouft, bind them with coils of shigawire. Set up a pseudoshield and leave them to the mercy of the dragon of the deep. Z
Quote from: ZenArcade on 03 February, 2019, 11:35:32 AM
Drag them out to the Tanezrouft, bind them with coils of shigawire. Set up a pseudoshield and leave them to the mercy of the dragon of the deep. Z
Well said. Your wisdom is as deep as the desert is wide.
Quote from: Richard on 03 February, 2019, 10:48:53 AM
Authors' estates are often terrible at protecting their legacy. I think there should be a law that when a successful author dies, his entire family should be sacrificed.
Richard I believe you don't mean any actual harm to come to anyone, but would you like the Ezquerra & Smith families to read what you wrote?
There is a *monster* cast assembling around this adaptation. According to Empire: Timothée Chalamet, Rebecca Ferguson, Stellan Skarsgård, Charlotte Rampling, Dave Bautista, Oscar Isaac, Zendaya, and now Javier Bardem.
The casting just went up another notch –if that's possible– by hiring Thanos as Gurney Halleck.
Josh Brolin Joins 'Dune' Reboot (https://variety.com/2019/film/news/josh-brolin-dune-reboot-1203138493/?fbclid=IwAR2eCi-a3EI__lYLoCtrf_L6e36w_h02xKHKmqntq41cYn2YOre_HrJ_ARM)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 13 February, 2019, 07:48:41 PM
The casting just went up another notch –if that's possible– by hiring Thanos as Gurney Halleck.
Josh Brolin Joins 'Dune' Reboot (https://variety.com/2019/film/news/josh-brolin-dune-reboot-1203138493/?fbclid=IwAR2eCi-a3EI__lYLoCtrf_L6e36w_h02xKHKmqntq41cYn2YOre_HrJ_ARM)
Beat me to it. The
real question is, how does he look with a war-pug?
More importantly – how well does he play the Baliset.
This is going to be The Lord of the Rings... IN SPACE!, right?
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 15 February, 2019, 12:33:43 AM
This is going to be The Lord of the Rings... IN SPACE!, right?
Or Game of Thrones – like a fish out of water Aquaman dives in as
Duncan Idaho.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/jason-momoa-dune-reboot-legendary-1203140272/
So far it sounds good. Interesting casting.
As they say the proof is in the pudding.
What a cast they seem to have assembled some well-known names there. Pretty good for a bonkers Sci-Fi Book and Film about Futuristic Drug Lords. Maybe El Chapo can make a cameo from his cell.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2019, 01:08:14 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 15 February, 2019, 12:33:43 AM
This is going to be The Lord of the Rings... IN SPACE!, right?
Or Game of Thrones – like a fish out of water Aquaman dives in as Duncan Idaho.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/jason-momoa-dune-reboot-legendary-1203140272/
What a terrible choice for a Swordmaster of Ginaz. Duncan is a lithe and wiry fighter, not some ape with a broadsword. This has Brian's fingerprints all over it. Sigh.
Quote from: von Boom on 15 February, 2019, 02:50:16 PMWhat a terrible choice for a Swordmaster of Ginaz. Duncan is a lithe and wiry fighter, not some ape with a broadsword. This has Brian's fingerprints all over it. Sigh.
As an Exec. Producer representing the Estate I doubt Brian has too much power over casting the star of a recent billion dollar film that sold very, very well in overseas markets. Sounds more like a studio suggestion to help sell a weird sci-fi film to the general public – which is not a bad decision by any stretch.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2019, 03:25:54 PM
Quote from: von Boom on 15 February, 2019, 02:50:16 PMWhat a terrible choice for a Swordmaster of Ginaz. Duncan is a lithe and wiry fighter, not some ape with a broadsword. This has Brian's fingerprints all over it. Sigh.
As an Exec. Producer representing the Estate I doubt Brian has too much power over casting the star of a recent billion dollar film that sold very, very well in overseas markets. Sounds more like a studio suggestion to help sell a weird sci-fi film to the general public – which is not a bad decision by any stretch.
Don't try and cloud the argument with your reasoning and logic! :)
By the juice of sapho they've chosen a Piter de Vries.
https://deadline.com/2019/02/legendary-dune-david-dastmalchian-1202560175/ (https://deadline.com/2019/02/legendary-dune-david-dastmalchian-1202560175/)