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#1
Oh, and regarding free image hosting, it may be worth mentioning I was unable to get my illustration to appear using imgur. I ended up using tinypic without any problems. Hope this helps.
#2
Thank you Andy Lambert, shaolin_monkey, Rogue Judge, and JayzusB.Christ for your kind words.  :thumbsup:

I've enjoyed every calendar submission so far. So much talent here!

Time permitting, I'm hoping to belt out another illustration for the Christmas Eve free-for-all.
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Merry Christmas One and All! I hope you enjoy my (mostly) pencil crayon art. Have fun and be safe!

#4
1st - Pete Wells
2nd - Eamonn Clarke
3rd - abelardsnazz
4th - Space Spinner 2000
5th - Colin.ynwa
6th - Andy Lambert
7th - Bagley
8th - Gail Nedry
9th - the monarch
10th - ming
11th - SuperSurfer
12th - Andy Lambert
13th - Gail Nedry
14th - broodblik
15th - BAD CITY BLUE
16th - Rogue Judge
17th - Colin.ynwa
18th - Jayzus B. Christ
19th - Mardroid
20th - Darren Stephens
21st - The Monarch
22nd - redbaz
23rd - filippo
24th - EVERYONE

I've bought my wife a fridge for Christmas.
Can't wait to see her face light up when she opens it.
#5
Off Topic / Re: Voices of the dead? Examples of EVP
22 April, 2015, 12:08:11 AM
Quote from: JPMaybe on 20 April, 2015, 07:06:43 PMTrivially true but practically useless given the literally infinite possible phenomena one can imagine that one can't absolutely 100% disprove. I don't believe you apply this standard consistently yourself, unless you really are worried about the invisible intangible dragon that might be hovering in front of your face right now ready to incinerate you.

Agreed, and you're right about the dragon.  :)

I was highlighting that "I do not believe that X is true" is different from the explicit denial "I believe that X is false".


Quote from: JPMaybe on 20 April, 2015, 07:06:43 PMAs it is, it's entirely logical to place your subsonic ghosts in the category of things that we can be as sure as it's possible to get don't exist, along with god/s, the tooth-fairy, the titans, leprechauns, etc. ad infinitum

Consider "ghosts", subsonic or otherwise, are a universal phenomenon which have been experienced for thousands of years and continue to be experienced by people from every economic, cultural and social strata, with no psychological profile that fits all these people and therefore no psychological explanation that's able to account for all of these paranormal experiences. One could consider if it is wholly correct to place such phenomena in said category. Thoughts?


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMWhy don't you actually, clearly state your position then, as you apparently haven't up to now?

As previously stated, I openly admit I don't know what my recordings are of but I find them interesting nonetheless. They could be curious voices and noises of unknown origin, and they sure sound like such to me, but then again, I accept that they could be the results of apophenia. My position is a tentative, open-minded one.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMit seems you're allergic to websites that don't agree with you. Sorry about that.

Apology for your assumption accepted.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMYou were (and are) doing the classic troll's trick of pretending not to understand an extremely basic concept (in this instance, what science is).

The only troll-like behaviour I'm detecting here are your attempts at provocation.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMI'm really not sure who you're trying to convince here. You said you didn't like James Randi because he expects people to prove things to a reasonable standard; I gave you a list of other prizes available to people who can prove the "supernatural". If you have got evidence of people speaking to the dead (as the end of your post strongly indicates) then rather than waste your time asking the opinion of a bunch of strangers on a message board, perhaps you ought to be claiming one of those prizes and becoming one of the world's most famous people?

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, and please stop putting words in my mouth. What I said was James Randi's famous challenge is not without criticism, and I am interested in reading up on the other prizes you linked to.

It may have escaped your attention but there are comments here from forum members who may not necessarily share your opinions. Not that how I spend my time is any of your business, but I had hoped to connect with other like-minded people here. After all, real-life accounts of paranormal activity have formed the basis for many of 2000 AD's works of fiction.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMAh, the classic "this isn't new, therefore I can ignore it without bothering to tell anyone why".

I'm not obliged to. The results are inconclusive and to provide you with a fully detailed explanation as to why really would be a waste of my time.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMAt the end of your post - the bit about the son identifying the voice of his mother - seems a fairly explicit "EVP is a real thing" statement.

and

Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMAs long as you're undecided on the issue!

I've made no such statement and I fail to see how conducting a modern-day séance (don't rely on Wikipedia for a definition) would indicate my position.


Quote from: M.I.K. on 21 April, 2015, 07:40:17 PMAs long as they aren't orbs.

No orbs. I promise.  :D

Be patient though. After tonight, I'll be AFK until early next week, which should give Famous Mortimer plenty of time to prepare a witty "Photoshopped!" or "Visual pareidolia!" response.  ;)
#6
Off Topic / Re: Voices of the dead? Examples of EVP
20 April, 2015, 05:45:27 PM
Quote from: King Pops on 12 April, 2015, 08:22:49 PM
For me, this, like many other paranormal phenomena, boils down to "where's the evidence?"
We all carry sophisticated recording devices in our pockets now. They're called smart phones, their recording capabilities far outstrip the technology that landed us on the moon.

There is plenty of evidence, but most doesn't satisfy the empirical standard required to gain acceptance in the scientific community.

If you've got a spare 90 minutes, you might find this documentary about The Scole Experiment and related phenomena interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qSEi_sfaSU


There are some interesting EMF and EVP responses here, similar examples of which can easily be found on YouTube and the like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqigaFRuc3w


Regarding smart phones and so on, most EVP below A classification are found outside human hearing range. Many hours of careful scrutiny using audio editing software are required to locate and understand them.

There are web sites and apps which apparently turn your computer or mobile device into a suitable scanner of tuner frequencies, though admittedly I don't know much about them. An American called Steve Huff has become increasingly well-known online for his efforts to capture EVP. Huff's recently launched an app called SCD-1 (Spirit Communication device #1) which he co-developed with ghosthunterapps.com. I haven't yet looked into the SCD-1 in any great detail but I've been told the demonstration videos he's uploaded to YouTube show some interesting results.

Based on what I have seen and heard from Huff in the past, I think he has presented some interesting recordings. That said, I consider his approach subjective and I'd like to see him take on a more professional approach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TO0lVYywfPE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNiMhw4qnXc


Quote from: Tiplodocus on 12 April, 2015, 09:13:20 PM
I may have misinterpretted what Baggers said above but apparently the burden of proof is on us to prove it is not real.

Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 April, 2015, 11:45:08 AMIf you state something as fact - radio interference is in fact the voices of the dead, for example - the onus is on you to prove your position.

Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PMWhat? Which one of us is making the more unusual claim here?

Famous Mortimer moved to explicit denial when he said "But they don't", placing implicit burden of proof on himself due to informal fallacy, yet one cannot logically prove a negative and general claim. His argument from ignorance would have the effect of placing the burden of proof on me but is not valid reasoning.

If I had made a positive claim that an entity exists, I would have the responsibility of supplying supporting evidence, but before anyone considers I've used a reversed responsibility response, note that I haven't actually stated my position.

What I have done here is present a selection of recordings and asked for forum members opinions on them. I openly admit I don't know what my recordings are of but I find them interesting nonetheless. They could be curious voices and noises of unknown origin, and they sure sound like such to me, but then again, I accept that they could be the results of apophenia. As they are mostly Class B recordings, my interest lies in finding out what others interpret them as.

Even the hardened skeptic's pin-up poster boy Michael Shermer is broad-minded:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/anomalous-events-that-can-shake-one-s-skepticism-to-the-core/


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science

Presenting a Wikipedia article as a source of referencing is a joke, right?


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
Well, you can't prove Santa doesn't exist, so ner"

Indeed, no one can prove a negative and general claim, though he did once exist according to [cough] Wikipedia [/cough]. Saint Nicholas passed away on 6 December 343. If ever I think I hear his jolly tones coming through on any of my recordings, I'll be sure to post them here.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
there are many prizes on offer to prove stuff like EVP if you don't like Randi's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormalInteresting!

Thanks for the link ...and thanks again, Wikipedia!


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_15_3_baruss.pdf
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/afterlife/evp.htm
http://www.academia.edu/2526941/Talking_to_the_Dead_Listening_to_Yourself_An_empirical_study_on_the_psychological_aspects_of_interpreting_Electronic_Voice_Phenomena
Plenty of links and explanations there for you.

Sincerely now, thanks for the links. I've read through each and, to be honest, there's nothing new to me in their content. The cause of EVP remains inconclusive and continues to fascinate me.


Quote from: M.I.K. on 12 April, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Here's something to ponder... If ghosts looked and sounded just like ordinary folk, how could you be certain they weren't randomly showing up on recording devices all of the time without us realising?

How could you be sure the odd looking bloke you couldn't remember standing in the background when you took the photo wasn't one?

Eighteen months ago I conducted a modern-day séance with six volunteers. Approximately 45 minutes in, the group decided to take a break. Getting up from their chairs, the group spent approximately 30 seconds talking and joking about what had happened before leaving the room. During this time, both my nightvision cameras and audio recording equipment were still recording and amongst their banter I noticed what sounded like a deep and sinister sounding voice laughing "Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha" amongst them. No one noticed the voice at the time but each piece of equipment picked it up.

On a related note, I've taken photos in the past which some might consider show spectral anomalies. I'd be willing to share some here if you or anyone else would be interested in seeing them.


Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 13 April, 2015, 02:27:27 AM
Fascinating stuff. What kind of answers have you received and are those questions standard amongst all researchers?

I overlooked you asking me about answers before so I apologise for that.

I would say some of the questions are core standard, but what's asked ultimately depends on the investigator and the setting. Some may shorten the amount of questions asked, whereas others may be after specific answers such as confirmation of the date, time, and location, the name of the prime minister, and so on. In my view, a bad investigator will ask questions mixed with facts about the site or assumptions of whom or what should be answering.

I receive at least one response for every question I ask. The vast majority have been direct responses and most others have been either one electronic voice addressing another, one unseen personality passing comment on another, or a comment aimed at me or one of my fellow investigators.

"If you have any glasses, such as crystal, we'll make them move here" and "Go to sleep", each recorded during different investigations, were in response to "Is there anything else I can provide/do to make it easier for you to communicate to me?"

"I don't think this man really wants to be here" was a comment aimed at my dad during his first investigation with me. Despite being sceptical, my dad was visibly tense to begin with.

"Joe! I was there for you!" was in response to "Do you have a message you wish to pass on?" This was recorded at the grave of a lady who had died at a young age and whose only son was named Joe. Upon hearing the voice, Joe (who was 60 years old at the time) identified it as that of his mother.
#7
Off Topic / Re: Cosplay
20 April, 2015, 04:35:32 PM
Here are some of my cosplay favourites:


The lowercase a-Team.




The conflicted Captain Planet:




Legs don't get angry:




Making good use of a gut:




And you thought Threepio made an arse of himself:




Best cosplay ever:


#8
Off Topic / Re: Lame Claims to Fame
12 April, 2015, 06:12:53 PM
There are some excellent lame claims to fame here. Funny stuff.

Another one from me...

A few years ago, I was waiting in my car outside an accountancy firm where a friend of mine worked, having agreed to pick him up while his car was having some repair work done. Contently reading a copy of The Beano, I was suddenly disturbed by the roar of a large, black 4x4 which pulled up alongside me. Four suited legal types got out, followed by none other than a famous British comedian known for his hamster-eating antics, whose first name is the same as the deceased, former lead singer of Queen and whose surname could be described as a fixed luminous point in the night sky which is a large incandescent body like the sun. I'd clocked him in my peripheral vision and saw that he was making the suits wait in the hope that I'd turn to spot him and be starstruck.

So I made him wait. And wait. And wait. Eventually, I turned my head to face him, and he pulled an odd expression as if to say "Yes, it's me, _______ _____ off the telly!" Knowing full well who he was, I pretended not to recognise him, gave him a sneer and turned back to read my comic. Using my peripheral vision again, I saw his ego deflate in front of the suits, some of who were smirking behind his back.

Shortly after, my friend arrived and said he was glad to be out of the office. Apparently, the well-known comedian was there to secretly pay off a very young woman to avoid her telling the papers about something very unsettling he'd done to her, allegedly. My friend said his mood was made worse because one of his "fans" saw him in the carpark and didn't ask for his autograph!
#9
Off Topic / Re: Voices of the dead? Examples of EVP
12 April, 2015, 06:09:24 PM
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 10 April, 2015, 06:36:49 PMIf any of those things actually existed, then we could have had the debate about whether they violated a law of thermodynamics or not. But they don't.

An informal fallacy, in my view, with the burden of proof on you.

Science has neither proved nor disproved them. I fail to see how you consider yourself "open-minded" as declared in your previous post.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 10 April, 2015, 06:36:49 PMI think you're being deliberately obtuse here. You really have no idea what "controlled conditions" means?

I know what controlled conditions are. I'm not sure what you mean by "replicated under controlled conditions".

Are you asking has someone ever managed to record an identical copy of a previously captured EVP sample? Or, are you asking has anyone ever managed to produce something very similar? Or perhaps you are referring to the methodological terms of replicates and repeats, which are often confused?


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 10 April, 2015, 06:36:49 PMIf you could have a communication with a voice, via some sort of EVP device, and have it respond intelligibly to you, then it would be the biggest scientific discovery of all time. Without a doubt.

One only has to spend a short amount of time searching the internet to find some good examples of electronic voice phenomena, which makes me wonder why the subject isn't taken more seriously.

Personally, I'd be impressed if someone were able to engage a single voice in lengthy conversation. The closest I've ever got to this is hearing what I consider to be the same female voice speaking out during several sessions conducted at the same location over a period of four weeks. The voice responded intelligently to several of the questions asked but didn't reply to one question after another. It was as though this voice and others took turns to speak. Each time the female voice did speak though, it identified itself as being named Lisa.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 10 April, 2015, 06:36:49 PMOr you could just go and win James Randi's $1,000,000. But no-one has. Which would indicate to a casual outside observer that all results so far obtained, no matter how you arbitrarily label them ("class A" or whatever) show that EVP doesn't exist.

James Randi's famous challenge is not without criticism. For example:

http://www.dailygrail.com/features/the-myth-of-james-randis-million-dollar-challenge


For those who are interested, the EVP classification system was developed by the Association TransCommunication: http://atransc.org/

Class A

A distinct voice or sound that is clearly understood, universally accepted and undisputed. It can be heard without headphones by anyone with normal hearing, and without being told or prompted to what is being said or heard.

Class B

This class of voice is more common and can be heard over speakers by most people. It is usually distinct, however some may not be able to hear or understand what they are listening to until told what to listen for. Everyone may not agree as to what is heard when listening to a class B and some individuals may need the use of headphones

Class C

A voice or sound that has paranormal characteristics, requires the use of headphones, and although it is often indecipherable and unintelligible, may contain one or two words that are clearly understood. Some investigators apply objectivity and disregard it, but may save it for reference purposes.


Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 April, 2015, 09:04:01 PMBagley's actually doing the thinking and the work and so, on the understanding that he's being truthful (which I have no grounds to doubt in any way), I'd be more inclined to pay his thoughts on the subject more attention than the automatic knee-jerk reaction of a nay-sayer.

I for one salute Bagley and his research and am very interested in the results. I find it hard to believe that EVP is caused by the spirits of the dead but I can't call it impossible.

Thank you! I'm not up to speed on the apparent in-joke as mentioned by King Pops on Page 2 but does this mean I've won £5?  ;)


Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 April, 2015, 09:04:01 PMWhat kind of questions are asked in EVP experiments and what kind of answers, if any, are received? Are questions all of a spiritual nature or would one ask, for example, 'what is seven plus five?' or 'who is the prime minister?'

Below is my sample script from 2014. I sometimes ask additional questions before reading out the closing statement which, depending on the circumstances, can be questions such as the ones you've come up with. Generally, I try to keep my voice calm and relaxed. I sometimes simplify my questions as if speaking to a child too. Only on rare occasions will I speak in a raised tone to try and provoke a reaction.


EVP SCRIPT

NB: Do not state personal details.
      10 second pauses to be observed in between questions.
   
Hello. My name is (GIVE FIRST NAME ONLY). Is there anyone here with me who I wouldn't normally be able to see or hear?

Please don't be nervous about answering me. I just want to ask you a few questions. My intentions are good and I mean you no harm.

I'm recording sound on a device (point to DIGITAL RECORDER) and have other devices here (point to INSTRUMENTS) which I think may help you to communicate with me.

Is there anyone here who would like to talk to me?

Please try to answer as loudly and clearly as possible, loud enough for me to hear you with my own ears. If I don't hear you reply straight away it may be some time before I listen to my recording and it may be hard for me to make out what you have to say.

Because I might not be able to hear you straight away, I may repeat some of my questions and may even ask questions that you don't like. Please know that I mean no disrespect if I do this.

Most of the voices I've heard on past recordings have been positive and I'd like to keep it that way so if anyone here answers with a negative attitude towards me, you stand a good chance of being ignored.

Is there anyone here who can hear my voice?
What is your name?
Are you male or female?
How old are you?
When were you born?
Are you alone?
If not, how many of you are there?
Can you see each other?
What do you look like?
Can you show me what you look like?
Is there anything I can do to make it easier for you to appear to me?
Where are you?
Can you see me?
Can you say my name?
Can you describe what I look like?
What are you?
Do you have a physical body like me?
Are you, or were you, human?
Are you someone who has died?
Are you unsure about whether or not you are dead?
If you know you are someone who has died, can you tell me where you are laid to rest?
Would you describe yourself as a ghost?
Would you describe yourself as a spirit?
Are you an extra-terrestrial; an alien life form?
Are you an interdimensional being?
Are you in another dimension?
Are you made up of energy?
Are you on Earth?
Can you tell me what year it is?
Can you tell me what time it is?
Is time relevant to you?
Is distance relevant to you?
Please describe what it's like where you are.
Are you able to talk to me no matter where I might be?
Would I have to return to this location to try and communicate with you again?
How are you able to talk to me?
Do you manipulate nearby sounds in order to talk to me?
On past recordings I've done, I've often heard unexplained noises such as rhythmic drum beat, clicking sounds and tapping noises. Why could I hear these noises?
Do you create these noises?
What is their purpose?
Would it help you to communicate with me if I placed percussion instruments nearby?
Is there anything else I could provide to make it easier for you to communicate to me?
Can you give me a sign that you are here?
Can you turn the lights on/off?
Can you open a nearby door?
Can you touch me on the _______________?
Is there life after death for human beings?
Do you know if human beings should be afraid of dying?
Do human beings reunite with loved ones after we die?
What happens to other living creatures after they die?
Are humans right to have faith in a concept of God?
Are humans right to have faith in a concept of heaven?
Why are you here?
How are you feeling?
Has something happened to you?
Is there anything you'd like to tell me?
Is someone or something keeping you here?
Is there anything I can do to help you?
Is there anything I can do for you?
Do you have a message you wish to pass on?
What is your message?
Who is this message for?

If you can hear me and have tried your best to answer me, I thank you. I'm going to stop recording shortly. I will listen to the recording as soon as possible and if I manage to hear answers to the questions I've asked, I will return to try and communicate with you further.

Thank you again for talking to me.

Goodbye.


Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 11 April, 2015, 07:00:16 PMTime and time again experiments have proven that incidents of communication with the dead are either hoaxes or errors, and (as far as I know) not a single experiment has shown such an incident to be otherwise.

Can you provide me with a few links to such scientific studies please? It's likely they will be of interest to me.
#10
Off Topic / Re: Voices of the dead? Examples of EVP
10 April, 2015, 05:40:07 PM
Quote from: TotalHack on 05 April, 2015, 10:32:56 AM
By this logic, every time I switch my computer off a new phantom Open Office spreadsheet starts organizing the dust on my floor into neat little columns. Energy in a closed system is indeed conserved, but its state and organisation is not: you can't cite one law of thermodynamics and ignore the Second.

I'm not in any way knocking your efforts to document and interpret interesting phenomena, but I think you have looked at the most wildly improbable explanation first, and that's seldom the best way to progress.

I assure you I always seek the most probable explanation.

As I'm sure you're aware, it is only when we die and stop importing energy that we are thought to obey the second law. It's not that I'm ignoring it in my reply to Tordelback; I'm pondering it. If EVP, NDE (Near Death Experiences), OBE (Out of Body Experiences), and other such phenomena can prove that the "soul" is not subject to equilibrium thermodynamics, the second law will be violated.

The gestalt of mind is an order of magnitude more complex than the universe that spawned it, and cannot be explained by any equations yet known. Rather than one wholly of physics, the approach required for proof of continued existence after death may be a predominantly biological one, such as biocentrism, which asserts that current theories of the physical world do not work, and can never be made to work, until they fully account for life and consciousness.


Quote from: Grugz on 05 April, 2015, 11:56:50 AM
i think some of the paranormal programmes also put words into the ghosties mouths so to speak,i have watched many where an unintelligible noise can be heard and the investigator "suggests" its saying "your all going to die!" and the person then hears that.

I agree. I've watched episodes from TV series such as Ghost Adventures and Ghost Hunters and have heard something different to what the presenters claim an EVP recording is saying. The reasons for this, I think, could be due to three factors: 1) auditory pareidolia, 2) the presenters have too much prior knowledge of the site and are making partisan connections, and/or 3) the quality of the EVP is more often than not of the Class B or Class C standard.


Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 07 April, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
Back to EVP, it's never been replicated under controlled conditions, right? I mean, if someone could do that, ask a question and have it answered and have there be real evidence of this, it would be the biggest news since the invention of the wheel. That's no-one's done it would indicate to me it can't be done, but I remain open-minded.

I'm not sure what you mean by "replicated under controlled conditions". I know that many Class A EVP have been recorded in soundproofed rooms, Faraday cages, and in underground facilities which radio waves have been unable to penetrate. Unfortunately, the mainstream tends to regard paranormal investigation as pseudoscience, and I know of few examples where funded research has been conducted.

There are several devices that have been built for field testing, such as the Franks Box (or Ghost Box) where unwanted noise is reduced and immediate Class A responses have been heard loud and clear by the investigator.

My dad, who is an electronics engineer, is currently building me a device based on Franks Box schematics, but with quite a few improvements to the design. I'm hoping for some interesting results in the near future.
#11
It was better than I expected. The settings, scenery, and vehicles all looked great and I enjoyed spotting all the nods to the original Thunderbirds and other Gerry Anderson series.

The one thing that let it down in my opinion was the animation of the characters themselves. Their lips didn't sync well with their voices and their actions appeared wincingly unnatural.
#12
Off Topic / Re: Lame Claims to Fame
04 April, 2015, 11:02:59 PM
Quote from: Mardroid on 03 April, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
I once saw a commedian walking along the road. I can't remember his name or where I saw him, except it was outside London. So a really rubbish claim to fame.

lol My favourite claim so far.
#13
Off Topic / Re: Voices of the dead? Examples of EVP
04 April, 2015, 10:59:52 PM
Quote from: Spikes on 03 April, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
Going back to the very early 80's, I used to purchase The Unexplained magazine, and a free flexidisc of EVP recordings was given away with issue 1. Scared me shitless!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRGZQ8H2-0A

Thanks for sharing the link! I remember discovering a few of my dad's copies of The Unexplained when I was around seven or eight years old, which he had quite rightly hidden from me. Both fascinating and frightening, their content gave me more than a few sleepless nights. He had the flexi-discs from the first two issues. I'll have to check with him to see if he still has them.


Quote from: Rog69 on 03 April, 2015, 02:54:17 PM
There was a really interesting program about EVP on Radio 4 recently - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rg1gh

Personally, I think that the whole thing can be explained by recordings picking up radio interference and the brain finding finding patterns in random sounds.

As a number of forum members have since mentioned, auditory pareidolia is often cited as a possible explanation. I would agree that it can be attributed to Class C EVP and some examples of Class B EVP but I don't consider it to be all-encompassing justification.

One of the pieces of equipment I use in my investigations rapidly scans a range of radio frequency modulations at a predetermined rate, producing white noise. If the range is set to scan at six tunings per second, and a voice is heard talking for a duration of six seconds, then radio interference can be ruled out as that voice travelled over 36 tunings. There is no chance of having mistakenly heard a radio jingle or the ramblings of a disc jockey.

Then there's gender and age. I have many recordings where I've asking questions for specific people to answer. On one occasion I read out the names of three people named on a tombstone. The first was the father and a mature male voice was heard responding. The second was his wife and what was clearly a female voice was heard, correcting me on her name (I read out Elizabeth and the voice said "I'm known as Liz"). The third was a younger male voice - their son, who replied "I died in the trenches". I was later informed that the son's remains were not buried in the plot but were actually buried in France, where he had been killed in WWI during the second Battle of Arras (1917).


Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 03 April, 2015, 03:55:57 PM
I have an EVP recorder.
Bought it years ago.
Too scared to try it out  :-[

It's not for everyone but you should at least try it out once. As a rule though, I wouldn't attempt anything in your own home. Based on my own experiences, unusual (and sometimes unsettling) incidents can occur up to three days after an EVP session, but nothing life threatening.


Quote from: Grugz on 03 April, 2015, 06:41:51 PM
I've always been sceptical especially since watching any of these ghost programmes on telly, my favourites being the spirits in Aztec/inca temples/lost cities that can speak English.

Dr. Konstantin Raudive (1909-1974) was a psychologist who went on to become well known for his interest in EVP. Born in Latvia, he spoke fluent Latvian and Russian. Some of the EVP he recorded required interpretation as he recognised them as being spoken in French, German, and Swedish languages, as well as Latvian and Russian. I myself have identified voices talking in Arabic, French, and Hindustani and had them successfully translated. I also have examples of voices with distinct accents such as Welsh and Irish.

It could be that voices in other languages are passing by unidentified by the listener. One could also consider that whatever it is that's responding isn't bound by time and space as we are.


Quote from: Tordelback on 04 April, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
Thing about dead people is that they're dead. Plays havoc with the aul talking, not having working lungs, larynx or brain. Unless the sounds you hear are associated with decomposition, they aren't made by dead people. So I'd advise seeking pretty much any other explanation. Rats farting in harmony, that sort of thing.

The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant, in that it is said to be conserved over time. Energy can be neither created nor be destroyed, but it can change form. As beings of energy, it can be considered that we continue to exist in some way after our physical form expires. During EVP sessions, I have asked how voices heard are created. From the responses gathered, I consider that a voice box is modulated by drawing upon and manipulating available sounds in the environment, such as white noise, vibrations, birdsong, etc.
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Off Topic / Voices of the dead? Examples of EVP
03 April, 2015, 05:28:41 AM
As mentioned in my introduction on 'Welcome to the board', I have a serious interest in the study of paranormal phenomena.

EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena) can be sounds, voices and words of unknown origin which are more often than not unheard by the human ear. I'd like to share with you here a small selection of EVP from some of my investigations.

I consider the majority of the following Class B recordings to be harmless but nonetheless advise against young children and sensitive types listening to them. Best listened to using good quality in-ear headphones, a good level of hearing ability and a high volume setting is required, though be prepared for sudden and loud sound spikes.

https://soundcloud.com/adambagley

Whatever your viewpoint, I'd appreciate knowing your thoughts on these samples, on the subject of the paranormal, and details of any unexplained phenomena you think you may have experienced.
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Off Topic / Re: Lame Claims to Fame
02 April, 2015, 08:46:14 PM
Not one to throw all my eggs in one basket, I have a couple more lame claims to share with you now.

In 2010, I was caretaker at a school in Wolverhampton where One Direction boyband member Liam Payne was a pupil. He visited the school soon after his success on that there X Factor telly programme but I didn't get to meet him as I was too busy picking up a fucktonne of litter dropped during the day's lunch break by so many of the little scamps he'd inspired.

My second claim is that I once knew a guy who had been friends with Nigel Clark, frontman of 90s Britpop band Dodgy. He told me that he often went round to Nigel's mum and dad's house to play computer games and, when up in Nigel's bedroom, noticed that the ends of his curtains were always rigid. It transpired that, when partaking in a spot of healthy masturbation, Nigel was soaking up his splooge using said curtains, instead of adopting the more traditional method of firing off into a sock.