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Show posts MenuQuote from: JPMaybe on 20 April, 2015, 07:06:43 PMTrivially true but practically useless given the literally infinite possible phenomena one can imagine that one can't absolutely 100% disprove. I don't believe you apply this standard consistently yourself, unless you really are worried about the invisible intangible dragon that might be hovering in front of your face right now ready to incinerate you.
Quote from: JPMaybe on 20 April, 2015, 07:06:43 PMAs it is, it's entirely logical to place your subsonic ghosts in the category of things that we can be as sure as it's possible to get don't exist, along with god/s, the tooth-fairy, the titans, leprechauns, etc. ad infinitum
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMWhy don't you actually, clearly state your position then, as you apparently haven't up to now?
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMit seems you're allergic to websites that don't agree with you. Sorry about that.
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMYou were (and are) doing the classic troll's trick of pretending not to understand an extremely basic concept (in this instance, what science is).
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMI'm really not sure who you're trying to convince here. You said you didn't like James Randi because he expects people to prove things to a reasonable standard; I gave you a list of other prizes available to people who can prove the "supernatural". If you have got evidence of people speaking to the dead (as the end of your post strongly indicates) then rather than waste your time asking the opinion of a bunch of strangers on a message board, perhaps you ought to be claiming one of those prizes and becoming one of the world's most famous people?
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMAh, the classic "this isn't new, therefore I can ignore it without bothering to tell anyone why".
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMAt the end of your post - the bit about the son identifying the voice of his mother - seems a fairly explicit "EVP is a real thing" statement.
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 21 April, 2015, 11:05:49 AMAs long as you're undecided on the issue!
Quote from: M.I.K. on 21 April, 2015, 07:40:17 PMAs long as they aren't orbs.
Quote from: King Pops on 12 April, 2015, 08:22:49 PM
For me, this, like many other paranormal phenomena, boils down to "where's the evidence?"
We all carry sophisticated recording devices in our pockets now. They're called smart phones, their recording capabilities far outstrip the technology that landed us on the moon.
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 12 April, 2015, 09:13:20 PM
I may have misinterpretted what Baggers said above but apparently the burden of proof is on us to prove it is not real.
Quote from: Richmond Clements on 13 April, 2015, 11:45:08 AMIf you state something as fact - radio interference is in fact the voices of the dead, for example - the onus is on you to prove your position.
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PMWhat? Which one of us is making the more unusual claim here?
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PMhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
Well, you can't prove Santa doesn't exist, so ner"
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
there are many prizes on offer to prove stuff like EVP if you don't like Randi's - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormalInteresting!
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 13 April, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_15_3_baruss.pdf
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/afterlife/evp.htm
http://www.academia.edu/2526941/Talking_to_the_Dead_Listening_to_Yourself_An_empirical_study_on_the_psychological_aspects_of_interpreting_Electronic_Voice_Phenomena
Plenty of links and explanations there for you.
Quote from: M.I.K. on 12 April, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Here's something to ponder... If ghosts looked and sounded just like ordinary folk, how could you be certain they weren't randomly showing up on recording devices all of the time without us realising?
How could you be sure the odd looking bloke you couldn't remember standing in the background when you took the photo wasn't one?
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 13 April, 2015, 02:27:27 AM
Fascinating stuff. What kind of answers have you received and are those questions standard amongst all researchers?
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 10 April, 2015, 06:36:49 PMIf any of those things actually existed, then we could have had the debate about whether they violated a law of thermodynamics or not. But they don't.
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 10 April, 2015, 06:36:49 PMI think you're being deliberately obtuse here. You really have no idea what "controlled conditions" means?
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 10 April, 2015, 06:36:49 PMIf you could have a communication with a voice, via some sort of EVP device, and have it respond intelligibly to you, then it would be the biggest scientific discovery of all time. Without a doubt.
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 10 April, 2015, 06:36:49 PMOr you could just go and win James Randi's $1,000,000. But no-one has. Which would indicate to a casual outside observer that all results so far obtained, no matter how you arbitrarily label them ("class A" or whatever) show that EVP doesn't exist.
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 April, 2015, 09:04:01 PMBagley's actually doing the thinking and the work and so, on the understanding that he's being truthful (which I have no grounds to doubt in any way), I'd be more inclined to pay his thoughts on the subject more attention than the automatic knee-jerk reaction of a nay-sayer.
I for one salute Bagley and his research and am very interested in the results. I find it hard to believe that EVP is caused by the spirits of the dead but I can't call it impossible.
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 10 April, 2015, 09:04:01 PMWhat kind of questions are asked in EVP experiments and what kind of answers, if any, are received? Are questions all of a spiritual nature or would one ask, for example, 'what is seven plus five?' or 'who is the prime minister?'
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 11 April, 2015, 07:00:16 PMTime and time again experiments have proven that incidents of communication with the dead are either hoaxes or errors, and (as far as I know) not a single experiment has shown such an incident to be otherwise.
Quote from: TotalHack on 05 April, 2015, 10:32:56 AM
By this logic, every time I switch my computer off a new phantom Open Office spreadsheet starts organizing the dust on my floor into neat little columns. Energy in a closed system is indeed conserved, but its state and organisation is not: you can't cite one law of thermodynamics and ignore the Second.
I'm not in any way knocking your efforts to document and interpret interesting phenomena, but I think you have looked at the most wildly improbable explanation first, and that's seldom the best way to progress.
Quote from: Grugz on 05 April, 2015, 11:56:50 AM
i think some of the paranormal programmes also put words into the ghosties mouths so to speak,i have watched many where an unintelligible noise can be heard and the investigator "suggests" its saying "your all going to die!" and the person then hears that.
Quote from: Famous Mortimer on 07 April, 2015, 04:32:06 PM
Back to EVP, it's never been replicated under controlled conditions, right? I mean, if someone could do that, ask a question and have it answered and have there be real evidence of this, it would be the biggest news since the invention of the wheel. That's no-one's done it would indicate to me it can't be done, but I remain open-minded.
Quote from: Mardroid on 03 April, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
I once saw a commedian walking along the road. I can't remember his name or where I saw him, except it was outside London. So a really rubbish claim to fame.
Quote from: Spikes on 03 April, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
Going back to the very early 80's, I used to purchase The Unexplained magazine, and a free flexidisc of EVP recordings was given away with issue 1. Scared me shitless!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRGZQ8H2-0A
Quote from: Rog69 on 03 April, 2015, 02:54:17 PM
There was a really interesting program about EVP on Radio 4 recently - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rg1gh
Personally, I think that the whole thing can be explained by recordings picking up radio interference and the brain finding finding patterns in random sounds.
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 03 April, 2015, 03:55:57 PM
I have an EVP recorder.
Bought it years ago.
Too scared to try it out
Quote from: Grugz on 03 April, 2015, 06:41:51 PM
I've always been sceptical especially since watching any of these ghost programmes on telly, my favourites being the spirits in Aztec/inca temples/lost cities that can speak English.
Quote from: Tordelback on 04 April, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
Thing about dead people is that they're dead. Plays havoc with the aul talking, not having working lungs, larynx or brain. Unless the sounds you hear are associated with decomposition, they aren't made by dead people. So I'd advise seeking pretty much any other explanation. Rats farting in harmony, that sort of thing.