The Political Thread

[Frank]

It's all fucked, and nobody has a clue how to fix it:

Theresa May is doing well as Prime Minister - 33
Theresa May is doing badly as Prime Minister - 55

Jeremy Corbyn is doing well in opposition - 26
Jeremy Corbyn is doing badly in opposition - 60

Theresa May negotiated a good Brexit deal - 25
Theresa May negotiated a poor Brexit deal - 45

A different leader would get a better deal - 23
A different leader would not get a better deal - 52

Theresa May should not resign - 36
Theresa May should resign - 44

David Davis should be Prime Minister - 15
David Davis should not be Prime Minister - 34

Sajid Javid should be Prime Minister - 15
Sajid Javid should not be Prime Minister - 33

Boris Johnson should be Prime Minister - 22
Boris Johnson should not be Prime Minister - 57

We should take May's deal - 20
We should not take May's deal - 51

We should have a hard brexit - 23
We should not have a hard Brexit - 53

We should leave the EU - 39
We should stay in the EU - 42

A general election would resolve the Brexit problem - 18
A general election would not resolve the Brexit problem - 64

A 2nd referendum would resolve the Brexit problem - 31
A 2nd referendum would not resolve the Brexit problem - 51


In summary: May should resign, but nobody else would do any better; we should reject May's deal, but all the other options are awful  -  and we still can't even agree on whether we should stay or leave.

[The Legendary Shark]

We'll stay in the EU - but only if we can be in charge.

Vote for me.

[Tjm86]

Brexit really is the gift that keeps on giving, isn't it?  Cameron says that he does not regret calling the referendum in the first place.  May calls off the vote because she'd rather avoid the mother of all humiliations, only to find herself facing the mother of all humiliations.  The pound is at its lowest for 20 months.  Parliament is completely paralysed.  Corbyn has just thrown down the challenge of an emergency debate on the decision of the government to postpone the debate and vote.

The Tories used to throw out the line that if Labour got back into power there would be no money left.  Looks like this time round with the Tories back in power there's going to be no country left.

[TordelBack]

Could you define being 'in charge' being on the winning side in 95% of votes (plus 3% abstentions) in the EU Council of Ministers, and >75% of all EU Parliament policies and EU Council decisions going the way your representatives voted?  'Cos that's how it has played out for the UK these past 20 years. 

(Probably helps the averages that Farage almsot never showed up)

[Professor Bear]

Who needs a functioning government anyway?  We haven't had one here in Northern Ireland for ages and the bins still get collected.

[Jim_Campbell]

The pound is at its lowest for 20 months.

Some of us get paid in dollars. :-)

Seriously, though — this is the thing that makes me SO angry when some Brexit headbanger accuses me of putting self-interest before my country... 1) I don't give a shit about "my country", but if the human beings that live near to me are in danger of something harmful to them, I'd like to avoid it, and 2) 80%+ of my income is USD, and I have a relatively little personal debt plus a chunk of savings earning effectively nothing. The hardest of hard Brexits would see sterling collapse and interest rates soar, which would be like half a century of Christmasses coming at once, financially.

And I still don't want it to happen. Because i'm not a complete [spoiler]c*nt[/spoiler] ... unlike, say, Jacob Rees-Mogg, who is somehow inexplicably is now the voice of the people.

[Theblazeuk]

Pound still slightly better than what it was immediately post-referendum, which keeps astonishing me. I thought that nosedive would continue if anything. Instead it just stung me at the first time in a decade I needed to turn my £ into $ 

[IndigoPrime]

The markets keep hoping the UK will change its mind. In the event of hard Brexit, the general prediction is parity or slightly worse than USD. Even with May's deal, we will see years of stagnation.

[Proudhuff]

Worse of all, Lynda Snell's Christmas play seems to be precoging all of these Brexit shenanigans 

[sheridan]

Worse of all, Lynda Snell's Christmas play seems to be precoging all of these Brexit shenanigans 

Chairs blocking the fire exits, people making arses of themselves in public, yep, sounds right.

[sheridan]

Worse of all, Lynda Snell's Christmas play seems to be precoging all of these Brexit shenanigans 

Chairs blocking the fire exits, people making arses of themselves in public, yep, sounds right.

(for those not following the Archers - it's complicated...)

[broodblik]

And I tough my country was a mess. The problem world-wide is that their is no country that has any strong, solid and good leadership. 

[TordelBack]

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[TordelBack]

If the Tories only had a tenth of Linda's sensitivity and equanimity in the face of a self-authored farce...

The problem world-wide is that their is no country that has any strong, solid and good leadership.

Isn't that Anakin's lament to Padme while they're rolling about in the grass with the giant ticks..?

[The Legendary Shark]

The problem world-wide is that their is no country that has any strong, solid and good leadership. 

And there never will be while leaders reserve the "right" to impose their views and systems on others.