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Title: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Richard on 22 September, 2018, 11:38:29 AM
Olivia Thirlby was in a film called The Darkest Hour immediately before she played Anderson in Dredd, so this week's tag-line seems apt.

Anyway... Judge Dredd starts a new story by Rob Williams and Henry Flint, featuring the very welcome returns of both [spoiler]Dirty Frank[/spoiler] and [spoiler]Judge Smiley from Trifecta[/spoiler]. It will be interesting to see where all this goes. There's also an interview with both creators, but I'll read it later.

Brink is back, and gets straight down to business. It feels like the threat level has gone up a bit now.

Skip Tracer has Colin MacNeil on art duties this time, which is good to see. Too early to know what to make of the story yet, but I'm willing to give this series a second chance.

This being an extra-size prog, Anderson has a nine-page one-off story about a Death cult, by Alan Grant and Jake Lynch. Light-hearted fun. And there's a Sinister Dexter one-off too, although it's a continuation of the recent on-going storyline, with more to come in prog 2109. (I assume that means Skip Tracer will be eight episodes.)

But the highlight for me this week -- completely unexpectedly, because I thought it would be Brink or Kingdom -- is Fiends of the Eastern Front. To be honest, I wasn't expecting to like this, because the original series was for young children and the sequel a few years ago didn't do anything for me I'm afraid. But I really like this new one, which is set in the Napoleonic Wars. The art by Dave Taylor is beautiful, and while I daresay there will be people who wish Colin McNeill was back on this strip instead of on Skip Tracer, I approve of the choice of artists on both stories. And the script (by Ian Edginton) is an excellent introduction to the series. No prior knowledge required, as this is a prequel and episode one tells you all you need to know. I now have high hopes for this series.

There is news about a classy free gift to annual subscribers to both comics. Looking forward to getting mine.

And finally, Kingdom picks up exactly where it left off last time. It's a ten-page episode, action-packed, and don't turn to the last page until you get to it, because it's an interesting twist. I can't wait to find out what the explanation for this is going to be! (If you're new and you haven't read Kingdom before, there's a detailed synopsis on Wikipedia to get you up to speed.)

Next week's cover is Fiends.

This is a very good prog, with no misfires for me.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 22 September, 2018, 12:35:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/cvQy2JL.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 22 September, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
Not trying to disrespect the cover image but am I right in thinking that Geroge Perez has has hand/wrist problems since his eighties heyday? Similar to the reasons that we probably won't see any more Ian Gibson sequentials?

Inside the Prog I find the combo of Rob Williams and Henry Flint is much more successful than Wagner/Flint in the Meg400 which felt a bit like a throwaway gag to me (sorry, John).

The return of Brink and the evolution of Dave Taylor's art style on Fiends are the other highlights for me.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: TordelBack on 22 September, 2018, 01:32:12 PM
Hmm, I haven't seen it in the flesh yet, but while I originally felt the image was a little bland (if you wanted something in similar style but with more feel for the characters, just get Robin Smith back!), I actually think it looks pretty great when plastered in all that busy cover dress.  And if it drags in a few wandering DC fans, job jobbed!
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Tjm86 on 22 September, 2018, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 22 September, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
the combo of Rob Williams and Henry Flint is much more successful than Wagner/Flint in the Meg400 which felt a bit like a throwaway gag to me (sorry, John).

TBH the Meg Dredd felt a little like old school Dredd.  As about as subtle as a well aimed brick and simple fun.  Williams' Dredd is far more serious and very much in keeping with his current approach.  The final denouement was telegraphed in the first page and the return of Dirty Frank was definitely a welcome addition.  I'm not sure I'd go with 'more successful' since the two are both very different beasts.

As for the prog as a whole; aside from the cover, a veritable feast.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: IndigoPrime on 22 September, 2018, 05:06:14 PM
TordelBack sums up my thoughts on the cover. I'm not that fussed about it as a stand-alone image, but it works very nicely as a cover. And that's the point. I think too often these days comics have the reverse problem.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: metcalfecarr on 22 September, 2018, 08:07:21 PM
My problem with the cover is that the Dark Judges look about as scary as Squirtle and Pikachu especially when you look at Nick Percival's version in the Meg
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Colin YNWA on 22 September, 2018, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 22 September, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
Not trying to disrespect the cover image but am I right in thinking that Geroge Perez has has hand/wrist problems since his eighties heyday?

My understanding is he's had eye problems and some other medical things. Certainly I've seen news of him being poorly a couple of times over the last few years. Still I think the cover is fine, even if Mortis looks like an ant head rather than cattle skull... though the look of the dark Judges could well be deliberate to reflect the story!

Anyway to things internal its bloody fine Prog, though like Meg does lack a new strip, a couple of options that practically fill that role do compensate for this.

Dredd - Well its not the nice cosy intro Dredd we sometimes get in these big celebration issues is it. I bloody loved it and Jez Flint is on fire. Have to be honest much prefered this to the Dredd in Meg 400, though that might have been better for new readers?

Brink was absolutely devine. How the hell it managed to be kinda escapes me as on the surface it did nothing special. Generic, almost cliched brutal start to set the stacks and created a horrific atmosphere from the off. This spins into a tough first day at work... well to be fair it manages to make this apparently mundane second scene all the more tense than the opening scene. Its just done so very well and I'm bought in already as I image a new reader would be too.

Skip Tracer could serve as a new thrill as I had to read the summary box to remind myself of its premise even though it only finished its first story a few weeks ago so unengaged was I by that opener. This time to be fair for a new reader this is a fun and thrilling opener and MacNeil is on fire. Just hope it managers to make me care less for the led this time. Nowt so far.

Anderson does a better job than the Meg story in introducing Cass. Shame she kinda had to be [spoiler]rescued by Joe[/spoiler], but it worked as a reflection on her glorious past. I enjoyed this and loved Jake Lynch's art, at times he's O'Neill, at times he's McMahon, he throws some Flint in and does a glorious Bolland pastiche at one point. Most impressively for all that he's always Lynch first and formost.

Sinister Dexter is always a treat and his one is a nice relaxed set up. Gives a nice bit of tone and character for the new reader and love that Ray's still got those Thought Ballons - I wonder where that and the tatoos are going? Oh and another artistic masterclass by the Mighty Yeowell this time. Great if light stuff.

Fiends of the Eastern Front - could also serve the role of new thrill its been so long since last time. A great welcoming opener... well welcoming in the chilly (in both ways), bloody and thrilling way that any reader can embrace. Just great stuff and the art... well the art is just breathe taking. The winter scenes almost literally as they feel so bloody cold!

Finally we get Dabnett number 3. Have to say a particular hats off to Dabnett I mean he has three great thrills in and one in Meg 400. That's almost Wagneresque that is! Anyway...

Kingdom - love this thrill and this opener gives me no reason to doubt I'll love this story. Its very smart in the way it just rattles on for the regular reader yet I suspect gives the new all they'll need to feel fully immersed and engaged. A bit of a masterclass there and Elson's art is so strong in the Gene Hackman powerful way. He packs a punch!

So there we have it barely a missed step and I think most thrills will serve the new reader just as well as this seasoned old grump.

I do have to make special mention of the art here. Its without exception stunning and in some cases much more than that. Just a zarjaz showcase of the depth and variety that Tharg has to offer. I'd be staggered to find a more beautiful comic on the eye this year and without a house style in the ... well house (of Tharg). Quite superb.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Eamonn Clarke on 23 September, 2018, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 22 September, 2018, 09:49:47 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 22 September, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
Not trying to disrespect the cover image but am I right in thinking that Geroge Perez has has hand/wrist problems since his eighties heyday?

My understanding is he's had eye problems and some other medical things. Certainly I've seen news of him being poorly a couple of times over the last few years.

That's it, eye problems, more Ron Smith than Ian Gibson then. But eyesight and hands must be the twin nightmares for freelance artists.

Agree with your splendid review, Colin. Much better expressed than me.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Magnetica on 23 September, 2018, 07:19:45 PM
What a fantastic Prog - the best in a long time. It felt like a year end Prog and we still have that to come.

I am not sure why, but the cover really works - it seems way better than the preview last week.  Dredd's gun really stands our against the 2000AD logos.

The Dredd tale is a really strong opener. I generally don't like features in my Prog, but this one was great. I dug out Progs 2004 to 2006 and re-read "Act of Grud" after reading it and then re-read Dredd. It really adds to it and I would recommend everyone to do the same, if they have them handy. Really looking forward to the rest of this one.

Brink as ever is just awesome. Top, top stuff.

I am not sure why but I feel much more engaged with whathisname in Skip Tracer already. Colin MacNeil's art seems very similar to Paul Marshall's on this strip. Not sure if that is him deliberately trying to make it look like that or not. I guess Dylan Teague's colours also contribute to this, as he seems to be using a particular palette for Skip Tracer. I would though rather have Paul Marshall on this...only so we can have Mr MacNeil back on Dredd, where he belongs.

Anderson starts strongly, but has a bit of a weak ending in my opinion. Jake Lynch is also one of the most improved artists over the last couple of years, with a some really strong stuff. But for me, this isn't quite up to that lofty standard. Some of the anatomy just doesn't look quite right.

Sinster Dexter similarly starts strongly and ends weakly. But looking forward to its return in Prog 2109.

Fiends to the Eastern Front is very enjoyable, even if it threatens to go over old ground storywise. Hopefully that won't be the case. The art is very different to what we have had on this series before, but I was totally in to it by page 2.

Kingdom is a story I have been threatening to do a complete re-read on for a while. I read the first two TPBs in the spring but did not complete the rest as it would require putting my back Progs in order. I think this new series is just the motivation I need to do just that.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Geoff on 23 September, 2018, 11:47:20 PM
Zarjaz! Cover to cover Zarjaz!

Best prog I've read in ages.

Real artistic and writing talent on display here.

Don't know where to begin so I'll just say, thank you Tharg keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Richard on 24 September, 2018, 01:14:18 AM
I've just re-read "Act of Grud" in progs 2004-06 and I echo Magnetica's advice to do so. It's a very helpful reminder of what's going on.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: wedgeski on 24 September, 2018, 09:28:36 AM
Glorious, start to almost finish. Between this and the Meg, I hope poor Dan Abnett is getting enough sleep.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Link Prime on 24 September, 2018, 10:09:41 AM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 22 September, 2018, 05:06:14 PM
TordelBack sums up my thoughts on the cover. I'm not that fussed about it as a stand-alone image, but it works very nicely as a cover.

It does. Previous doubt rescinded.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Magnetica on 24 September, 2018, 12:18:01 PM
Couple of other things about this week's Prog.

I hope the use of psi powers to overcome difficult situations doesn't become a thing in Skip Tracer.

In the light of the current thread on Johnny Alpha's age and general comments from time to time on Dredd's age, neither Sinister, Dexter or Billy seem to have aged a day since the strip started. Is that right or is it just me?
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Richard on 24 September, 2018, 03:13:22 PM
I thought Billi had aged a bit, since when we met her she looked about 12. But unlike Dredd and early Strontium Dog, it's never been suggested that time passes in Sinister Dexter at the same rate it does out here.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Proudhuff on 25 September, 2018, 12:45:02 PM


Wow what a Prog!!! Back to firing on all cylinders only one missed step...
Nice cover but its that classic DC 'does happen in the story' image. And yes it is Cass's darkest hour.

Loving the paper quality and Droidicide is a loverly word.

Dredd: Wonderful team up of droids and has me hooked, Are the Enceladus stories collected?  Loving the return of [spoiler]Dirty Frank[/spoiler] and the House call is a welcome addition.
Brink again wonderful droid team up and use of expo and colour, looking forward t this tale.

Skip Tracer willing to give this another try on the back of this episode

Anderson; Artwork cracking here only thing it could use a change of POV occasionally, but the story is straight out of Savage Sword of Conan circa 1973 and much like The magazine we have an Anderson that having done 40 years on the street looks like she's straight out of Cloak and dagger, sigh

Sin/Dex is fun I think... Stop that!

Fiends: Is a delight to the eye and a nifty take on and old tale, with fiends like these... :-X

That Subby offer may just make me change my ways if I came ebay some old stuff

Kingdom: Excellent addition to the canon,  hoping that last page heralds a new dawn and the ticks do the promised evolving.

Overall a truly stunning prog and a great jumping on issue.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Proudhuff on 25 September, 2018, 12:45:59 PM
doh! 'doesn't happen'  :-[
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: broodblik on 26 September, 2018, 03:30:48 PM
Great prog. The prog continues is trend thus year of being really good.

Dredd: Great start to a new story. Hooked from the beginning and welcome back for Flint on art duty.

Brink: One of my favourite new stories in recent years. Mister Abnett's best work (yes including the brilliant Lawless)

Skip Tracer: liked the first series and glad to see it is back. Would still like to see Marshall return on art duty but any prog just feels more complete with a piece of MacNeil's Art

Anderson: The story was not bad at all but I am still in two minds if I like Lynch's art or not.

Sin/Dex: was not bad, let us see where this is heading

Fiends: When this was announced I was hoping to see MacNeil using his Defoe style on the story. I was surprised by Taylor's take on the art department and everything is just great about this


Kingdom: I always liked this and glad to see it return.

Cover: The cover is not bad but I wonder why some of the older guard form yesterday like Bolland , Cam or Fabry could not have a go.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Goosegash on 26 September, 2018, 09:34:54 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 22 September, 2018, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: Eamonn Clarke on 22 September, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
the combo of Rob Williams and Henry Flint is much more successful than Wagner/Flint in the Meg400 which felt a bit like a throwaway gag to me (sorry, John).

TBH the Meg Dredd felt a little like old school Dredd.  As about as subtle as a well aimed brick and simple fun.  Williams' Dredd is far more serious and very much in keeping with his current approach.  The final denouement was telegraphed in the first page and the return of Dirty Frank was definitely a welcome addition.  I'm not sure I'd go with 'more successful' since the two are both very different beasts.

As for the prog as a whole; aside from the cover, a veritable feast.

That doesn't surprise me all that much, as over the last few years(or maybe longer) it seems like Wagner has quietly surrendered most of his Dredd duties to become more of an occasional contributor, and in terms of taking the lead, Williams has stepped nicely into his shoes.

The Meg story did make me realise how much I miss ol' John W's narrative voice on Dredd strips though, there's no-one else does it quite like him.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: robert_ellis on 26 September, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
This might be the best prog ever. It's embarassingly good. I'm too excited by a Dredd mega story by Flint & co. I'm so glad to see the distinctive Brink back and more disturbing than ever! Tharg is truely generous!
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Colin YNWA on 27 September, 2018, 06:30:38 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 26 September, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
This might be the best prog ever....

Wow that's a great shout. I doubt I'd ever be able to settle on a single Prog but certainly would stir up interesting discussion.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Frank on 27 September, 2018, 07:23:56 AM

I'd [spoiler]like[/spoiler] to [spoiler]tell[/spoiler] you [spoiler]what[/spoiler] I thought of Brink, but these fucking black boxes [spoiler]keep[/spoiler] covering up every [spoiler]four[/spoiler]-letter [spoiler]word[/spoiler].


Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: TordelBack on 27 September, 2018, 07:52:59 AM
So that was all good,  much of it excellent, but everything sort-of cowers in the shadow of Brink. What an opener!

And you really have to feel for Skip Tracer: despite the addition of one of the most outstanding artists in the comic's history,  its second chance to shine is up against so many strips that grab you by the throat from the first page - KingdomFiends, Small House. Best of luck, lads!
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: IndigoPrime on 27 September, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
I'm not sure what was going on with those black boxes. Either have swearing or don't. Still, at least it didn't quite head to Marvel "@£$%^&" territory.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: TordelBack on 27 September, 2018, 09:16:50 AM
I thought it was very effective. It played very well into the genteel menace of the cultists, with their domestic implements and suburban pleasantries, contrasting with Alan's raw terror. Very clever,  very Abnett.

From a personal perspective, I don't really want several pages of f*cks in my weekly SF adventure comic, and Brink doesn't do made-up swears,  so for me this very nicely conveyed a character's voice in extremis.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: robert_ellis on 27 September, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Was it the potty mouth issue of Frank Miller's All Star Batman that had blacked out all the swearing but it was still quite legible? I quite liked the 'redacted' curse-words look. Having chatted at length to Culbard at Thought Bubble I was excited to read Brink Season 3, its the perfect distillation of Lovecraft, Sci-fi and True Detective. The deceptively minimal art and lurid colours are just amazing.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Magnetica on 27 September, 2018, 12:45:44 PM
I don't want swearing in my comics. Don't mind it on telly, but not in something I might want to give to my children ( not that they are interested  :'(. ).
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Richard on 27 September, 2018, 03:09:10 PM
Disown them and cast them into the street.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Tiplodocus on 27 September, 2018, 05:31:17 PM
An absolute belter of a prog from beginning to end. Most fun I've had (without Mrs. Tips) in ages.

But why can't digital subscribers get the offer? Surely we mean more money for Tharg's polystyrene cup habit?
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: broodblik on 27 September, 2018, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 27 September, 2018, 05:31:17 PM
An absolute belter of a prog from beginning to end. Most fun I've had (without Mrs. Tips) in ages.

But why can't digital subscribers get the offer? Surely we mean more money for Tharg's polystyrene cup habit?

Yes I agree
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Frank on 27 September, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
Quote from: TordelBack on 27 September, 2018, 09:16:50 AM
I thought (the blacked-out swears in Brink) was very effective. It played very well into the genteel menace of the cultists, with their domestic implements and suburban pleasantries, contrasting with Alan's raw terror. Very clever, very Abnett

Might have been Abnett, but I assumed it was Tharg not wanting to be racked alongside Attitude, rather than Lego Batman, in WH Smith. Presumably, the efferties and jefferties will lose their text-[spoiler]burkas[/spoiler] when Brink's collected in trade paperback.

Interesting to see some of the mythology of Brink being mapped out: Melancholema, Vovek and Phale Chronozon are persons, or at least personifications of something(s). Previously, I thought they were just nausea/migraine-inducing noun phrases - like mayochup (https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mayochup-is-coming-to-uk_uk_5ba8a317e4b0375f8f9e77e9) or live coverage of Glastonbury all weekend on the red button.

Speaking of domestic implements, isn't it a weird coincidence that Grant & Lynch's Anderson script also features human sacrifice involving a Black & Decker? And that strip runs back-to-back with another (Skip Tracer) where a character muses upon psi-powers and the past coming back to haunt them via internal monologue. No explanation; no point looking for one (https://youtu.be/vRJ5cCP0ZPE).


Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: DrJomster on 27 September, 2018, 10:54:13 PM
Awesome prog! Just wonderful in fact! I might buy a couple of copies in Smiths and give to friends to lure them into the House of Tharg...

Slight shame Anderson had to be rescued, but it looked gorgeous.

Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Bolt-01 on 28 September, 2018, 11:06:54 AM
Regarding Brink- I'll be surprised if it is editorial causing the [spoiler]spolier boxes[/spoiler]. To me it feels perfectly in line with the presentation of the strip. We get info boxes letting us know who folk are etc so I see this as another layer of the presentation.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: GordonR on 28 September, 2018, 12:14:14 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 28 September, 2018, 11:06:54 AM
Regarding Brink- I'll be surprised if it is editorial causing the [spoiler]spolier boxes[/spoiler]. To me it feels perfectly in line with the presentation of the strip. We get info boxes letting us know who folk are etc so I see this as another layer of the presentation.

Yes.  Pretty sure it's a deliberate stylistic choice done for - quite obvious - comedy effect.

But, in the meantime, let's all enjoy Frank's authoritative pronouncements on what he thinks goes on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Frank on 28 September, 2018, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: GordonR on 28 September, 2018, 12:14:14 PM
Quote from: Frank on 27 September, 2018, 08:27:34 PM
Might have been Abnett, but I assumed it was Tharg ... Presumably

Pretty sure ... let's all enjoy Frank's authoritative pronouncements

Weird (https://youtu.be/oIFLtNYI3Ls?t=54s).


Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: sheridan on 28 September, 2018, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 27 September, 2018, 06:30:38 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 26 September, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
This might be the best prog ever....

Wow that's a great shout. I doubt I'd ever be able to settle on a single Prog but certainly would stir up interesting discussion.

Prog 335.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: sheridan on 28 September, 2018, 09:48:38 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 September, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
I'm not sure what was going on with those black boxes. Either have swearing or don't. Still, at least it didn't quite head to Marvel "@£$%^&" territory.

If only you knew what was behind the [spoiler] black boxes...[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: sheridan on 28 September, 2018, 09:52:10 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 27 September, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
I'm not sure what was going on with those black boxes. Either have swearing or don't. Still, at least it didn't quite head to Marvel "@£$%^&" territory.

Looks like those characters mess up spoiler tags!  The black box was supposed to hide the character "@£$%^&" but at least one of those special characters messes up the whole spoiler tag.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Trout on 29 September, 2018, 12:23:44 AM
So much to enjoy in this prog! I think Kingdom and Fiends were my favourites but there was something to enjoy in every strip. Looking forward to next week!
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: norton canes on 29 September, 2018, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 26 September, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
This might be the best prog ever

You know what, you might just be right. I did a big prog-slog a couple of years ago and even the best golden-era progs usually had something that weighed them down, a dodgy filler strip or a poor Future Shock. Or Mean Arena. But 2100 has no 'Talon in the ointment', so to speak. Even Skip Tracer, the nearest thing to a weak link, is written engagingly, even though the title character remains a frustrating void in an otherwise intriguing premise.

Elsewhere however, quality radiates in abundance. A Small House is instantly gripping and darkly portentous, although I'm not sure how a story that's so reliant on knowledge of past events is considered ideal for a jumping-on prog. I'd have thought that a better use for the Williams/Flint interrogation page would be a summary of the relevant plot lines. Oh well.

[Actually, could anyone please let me know which post-Trifecta stories I need to read, at least in summary? Ta.]

Dan Abnett's big hitters stand astride the remaining stories like the feet of, er, a giant comic-writing colossus. Brink continues in the sort of form that made it the runaway winner of the readers' poll on this forum earlier in the year, and Kingdom... Gene might just be my favourite 2000 AD character ever, you know. The series better end well for him. Honestly. I've never shed actual tears for the demise of one of Tharg's characters (though I did come close when Old One Eye tumbled into the dinosaur's graveyard) but there's a distinct possibility it could happen here.

The Anderson story is just exquisite - every panel is a treat, especially Jake Lynch's take on THAT classic moment. Also love the ersatz Dark Judges' gear (especially Fear's bowl-cut), and Anderson's gestured opinion of the apprehended exhibitionist's endowment. SinDex treads water a little but the riffing on RD's thought bubbles alone mean it deserves its slot.

Which leaves FOTEFET, as no-one else is calling it. I'll confess that Ian Edginton isn't one of my favourite script droids but his simple faux-Georgian prose is an effective counterpoint to Dave Taylor's beautiful artwork. The page 3/4 spread in particular looks amazing. Shame the denouement in the final panel's a bit hackneyed, but otherwise it's good stuff.


The best prog ever? Perhaps it's just a decent cover away from that accolade.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: TordelBack on 29 September, 2018, 10:39:34 AM
Quote from: norton canes on 29 September, 2018, 09:54:03 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 26 September, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
This might be the best prog ever
You know what, you might just be right. 

Ahem:

Quote from: sheridan on 28 September, 2018, 09:47:14 PM
Prog 335.

I think that remains the horse to beat. Prog 2000 v. 1 no slouch either.

This one, however, is as good a comic as any in recent years.  Not one dud note. Even the weakest story for me - the Anderson - was perfectly fine,  and elevated by superb Lynch art. FWIW I thought Lynch's version would pass for a slightly older Cass too. 

I do think that Tharg needs to make a call here - if readers still want 1970s Debbie Harry in high heel boots and soray-on leathers that's fine (and understandable!),  but maybe create a new character to fill that role, or even go back to the Young Anderson idea: personally I want the older wiser Anderson we get occasional glimpses of.

Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: norton canes on 29 September, 2018, 10:47:32 AM
For Best Prog Ever I'm usually tempted to say one of the Judge Death Lives progs (222-228) - maybe 228, with the start of Rogue Trooper as well as Nemesis Book I and Strontium Dog (The Kid Knee Caper). Though of course it does carry Mean Arena.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: broodblik on 29 September, 2018, 10:50:19 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 28 September, 2018, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 27 September, 2018, 06:30:38 AM
Quote from: robert_ellis on 26 September, 2018, 10:38:08 PM
This might be the best prog ever....

Wow that's a great shout. I doubt I'd ever be able to settle on a single Prog but certainly would stir up interesting discussion.

Prog 335.

Just look at the contents and people involved with 335 but 2100 (let down by an average cover) is definitely one of the best ever.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: norton canes on 29 September, 2018, 11:04:59 AM
Just to be awkward :) I'd go for 336 over 335 because the McMahon cover edges the O'Neill/Ezquerra montage
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: broodblik on 29 September, 2018, 11:11:52 AM
Then 339 must be the clear winner

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/339.jpg)
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Greg M. on 29 September, 2018, 11:58:22 AM
For me, 503 or 654 have legitimate claims to the prog-crown. (576 would surely take it if Full Mental Jacket had just started then rather than two progs later.)
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 September, 2018, 12:07:09 PM
The 335 plus issues are always slightly let down by Rogue Trooper for me. I'm going to go with the more modern Prog 1634

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1634 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1634)

The problem being a solid Dredd rather than a great Dredd.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: TordelBack on 29 September, 2018, 03:31:10 PM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 29 September, 2018, 12:07:09 PM
The 335 plus issues are always slightly let down by Rogue Trooper for me. I'm going to go with the more modern Prog 1634

http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1634 (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=profiles&choice=1634)

The problem being a solid Dredd rather than a great Dredd.

Oooh, that's a good'un alright.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: jabish on 29 September, 2018, 03:35:21 PM
654 for me too. Wagner & Ezquerra Dredd. Song of the surfer. Dead Man. Horned God. Zenith phase 3. Wow.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Colin YNWA on 29 September, 2018, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: jabish on 29 September, 2018, 03:35:21 PM
654 for me too. Wagner & Ezquerra Dredd. Song of the surfer. Dead Man. Horned God. Zenith phase 3. Wow.

Yep that's a strong call.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: sheridan on 30 September, 2018, 02:28:27 AM
Quote from: norton canes on 29 September, 2018, 11:04:59 AM
Just to be awkward :) I'd go for 336 over 335 because the McMahon cover edges the O'Neill/Ezquerra montage
Off the top of my head - was that the wrap-around Slaine-lifting-a-horse-with-his-legs cover?
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: TordelBack on 30 September, 2018, 09:17:53 AM
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 29 September, 2018, 04:39:25 PM
Quote from: jabish on 29 September, 2018, 03:35:21 PM
654 for me too. Wagner & Ezquerra Dredd. Song of the surfer. Dead Man. Horned God. Zenith phase 3. Wow.

Yep that's a strong call.

Oh Grud,  now I don't know what to think.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Magnetica on 30 September, 2018, 12:19:14 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 29 September, 2018, 10:47:32 AM
For Best Prog Ever I'm usually tempted to say one of the Judge Death Lives progs (222-228) - maybe 228, with the start of Rogue Trooper as well as Nemesis Book I and Strontium Dog (The Kid Knee Caper). Though of course it does carry Mean Arena.

Yep 222 to 228 is hard to beat.

I would also throw 178 into the mix. And I still have the Dredd badge.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: broodblik on 30 September, 2018, 03:36:36 PM
Selecting best prog ever is an impossible task. All I can say is that I see its more periods of up and down and we are in the up period. For me personally this year has been great. Prog 2100 is an awesome jump-on prog.
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Magnetica on 30 September, 2018, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 29 September, 2018, 09:54:03 AM
could anyone please let me know which post-Trifecta stories I need to read, at least in summary? Ta.

By my reckoning you need to read:

Titan Progs 1862 to 1869
Fit Prog 1873
Enceladus - New Life Progs 1924 to 1928
Enceladus: Old Life Progs 1947
Melt Prog 1961 to 1947
Act of Crud Progs 2004 to 2006

and that is what I am planning to do.

I think you should also read The Family Man from Megazines 312 and 313 (it is also in the Trifecta Mega Collection volume).

Not sure if there are others....
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Magnetica on 30 September, 2018, 07:06:44 PM
Quote from: norton canes on 29 September, 2018, 09:54:03 AM
could anyone please let me know which post-Trifecta stories I need to read, at least in summary? Ta.


sorry couple of mistakes above, now corrected.


By my reckoning you need to read:

Titan Progs 1862 to 1869
Fit Prog 1873
Enceladus - New Life Progs 1924 to 1928
Enceladus: Old Life Progs 1940 to 1947
Melt Prog 1961
Act of Crud Progs 2004 to 2006

and that is what I am planning to do.

I think you should also read The Family Man from Megazines 312 and 313 (it is also in the Trifecta Mega Collection volume).

Not sure if there are others....
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Fungus on 01 October, 2018, 02:18:12 PM
I needed that prog!

Been too long since I actively enjoyed the prog, murky art or impenetrable tales with precious little in Dredd to keep me reading. So a 10-prog backlog built up...

2100 has truly excellent Dredd, Fiends and Brink.

Jake Lynch saved the Anderson & Dark Judges oddity (yet more DJs...???) and the double-length Kingdom was more interesting than I usually find it. I've just thought: lack of puns?-)

Hopefully we're past the doldrums. This is how good the prog can be  :)



Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: Proudhuff on 01 October, 2018, 08:42:42 PM
Get it Fungus, well worth it,
Title: Re: Prog 2100 - Anderson's Darkest Hour
Post by: sheridan on 05 October, 2018, 01:57:25 AM
Quote from: broodblik on 29 September, 2018, 11:11:52 AM
Then 339 must be the clear winner

(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/339.jpg)

Siege of the Century in Nemesis?  Must be the centrespread of Yggradsil!  Good candidate!