Judge Dredd: A Better Class of Criminal continues, not much more to say about this than what has been said already, but it's still just as good, and it bears repeating that the more Leo Manco we see from now on the better. Probably ending next week.
The Order makes a bold move which will certainly divide opinion! Just keep in mind that 2000AD is supposed to divide opinion and that will help you maintain a sense of proportion!
There's a new 3riller, Appetite by James Peaty and Andre Mutti which gets off to a good start. I wonder what's going on there then?
Mechastopheles is on the cover this week. Not sure what I think of this series yet, but I'll see how it develops. The art looks good though.
Grey Area: 86 is another good one-off episode. I never really warmed to this series until recently, but I've enjoyed this latest run.
There's an awful/brilliant* pun in the letters page.
*Delete as applicable.
Whatever you do don't flick through the Prog when it lands as I just did. You run the risk of giving yourself a MASSIVE spoiler ... one I wish I hadn't seen!
Enjoyed this weeks prog but stand out has to be the order
(https://i.imgur.com/uJNm0UD.jpg)
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 04 August, 2018, 01:53:12 PM
Whatever you do don't flick through the Prog when it lands as I just did. You run the risk of giving yourself a MASSIVE spoiler ... one I wish I hadn't seen!
:o
Yep, you REALLY REALLY don't want to flick through this weeks prog.
But man am i pumped by that reveal! 'Kin YES!!
Hmm, while an interesting turn of events, I'd have preferred that the series stayed seperate. The order is getting ever closer to Indigo Prime and seeing as both series now share a writer- that's not good.
Classy move, Tharg.
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 04 August, 2018, 05:26:35 PM
Hmm, while an interesting turn of events, I'd have preferred that the series stayed seperate. The order is getting ever closer to Indigo Prime and seeing as both series now share a writer- that's not good.
Any other recent instances of crossovers between series?
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 04 August, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 04 August, 2018, 05:26:35 PM
Hmm, while an interesting turn of events, I'd have preferred that the series stayed seperate. The order is getting ever closer to Indigo Prime and seeing as both series now share a writer- that's not good.
Any other recent instances of crossovers between series?
[spoiler]Indigo Prime & Revere spring to mind... [/spoiler]
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Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 04 August, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 04 August, 2018, 05:26:35 PM
Hmm, while an interesting turn of events, I'd have preferred that the series stayed seperate. The order is getting ever closer to Indigo Prime and seeing as both series now share a writer- that's not good.
Any other recent instances of crossovers between series?
[spoiler]Indigo Prime & Revere spring to mind... [/spoiler]
Sensing a pattern.
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 04 August, 2018, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 04 August, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 04 August, 2018, 05:26:35 PM
Hmm, while an interesting turn of events, I'd have preferred that the series stayed seperate. The order is getting ever closer to Indigo Prime and seeing as both series now share a writer- that's not good.
Any other recent instances of crossovers between series?
[spoiler]Indigo Prime & Revere spring to mind... [/spoiler]
Hmmm, I said "Any other recent instances of crossovers between series?",
AFTER reading your post regarding said crossover, hence the "Any other" part of my post.
Okay its a good Prog, verging on the very good Dredd, pretty good, and leaves a few interesting questions to be moped up. Very engaging start to the 3riller but as I and others have said its how you sustain that's the trick, lovely art mind. Mechastopheles needs to add some reason to care beyond the cool battling demonic monsters, but I did enjoy this episode. Grey Area was superb and played with the characters and their reaction to recent events really well. Oh but there was some dodgy storytelling artwise.
Okay got all that good.
'Cos lets face it all that is kinda preamble to what we'll all be talking about this week and that of course is The Order. Now off the bat I really enjoyed the episode it was a great combination of action and development and then the ending...
... the ending.
Now on paper that was a good, exciting ending that I should be enjoying more than I am. The problem is much as I like the potential this offers, and [spoiler]Armoured Gideon [/spoiler] feels like he could have a great roll to play in this story and its appearance could be a very interesting turn ... the problem is we've been here before haven't we and what did we learn from that, well two things:
1. It doesn't matter how much [spoiler]injecting a character into a different story[/spoiler] might feel exciting, its only going to work if it makes sense in a story context. Last time this happened it really should have. It had every reason to work ... but simply was never developed and so became nothing more than a cheap gimmick. Reducing 2000ad to the level of so many other comics produced by other companies. For 2000ad that is in excusible.
Interesting it didn't make the story this happened in a bad story. In fact far from it. It was still a very good story. It was just a good story reduced somewhat by having a cheap gimmick in it... though when it returns this might be resolved.
2. Its been done before and the very fact that so soon after the previous time is very worrying. Do anything too much and it stops being special and fun and this kind of thing needs to feel special, or fun or, 2000ad goes down a road - it reduces 2000ad to the level of so many other comics produced by other companies. For 2000ad that is in excusible.
So while I remain open to this development this time, I do so with a bunch more cynism than I did last time. Lets see how it plays out ... or indeed if we get to understand the first time this happened in a way that works... if not we need to stamp this sort of stuff out... lets see huh...
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 04 August, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
... much as I like the potential this offers, and [spoiler]Armoured Gideon [/spoiler] feels like he could have a great roll to play in this story and its appearance could be a very interesting turn ...
Cheers,
Colin. I got the wrong end of the stick from
Bolt's comment (above).
Quote from: Colin YNWA on 04 August, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
Interesting it didn't make the story this happened in a bad story. In fact far from it. It was still a very good story. It was just a good story reduced somewhat by having a cheap gimmick in it... though when it returns this might be resolved.
2. Its been done before and the very fact that so soon after the previous time is very worrying. Do anything too much and it stops being special and fun and this kind of thing needs to feel special, or fun or, 2000ad goes down a road - it reduces 2000ad to the level of so many other comics produced by other companies. For 2000ad that is in excusible.
So while I remain open to this development this time, I do so with a bunch more cynism than I did last time. Lets see how it plays out ... or indeed if we get to understand the first time this happened in a way that works... if not we need to stamp this sort of stuff out... lets see huh...
This is exactly how I feel too. 'Here's a thing you recognise from the past!' is a hollow thrill in itself, it needs to be more than just that. Not dissing what's going on this week though, it all depends how things develop.
Tharg is too wise to go down the road of having all the strips co-exising in a horrible 2000ad multiverse of endless empty crossovers, we hope, though the potential to speculate on ridiculous possible team-ups is strong!
Some fabulous art this week as always, though a few bits of Harrison's pages took me a while to figure out. This was redeemed by that smile on Birdie's face at the end though, what a lovely character moment, conveyed beautifully. Manco and Mutti both fit very nicely in the prog - a touch of Hairsine about the 3riller art, I thought. Love the design on those cyborg gangsters in Dredd. Karl Richardson is consistently great, clear storytelling, nice colours, cool designs. As for John Burns, what a legend. Always love it when he appears in the prog.
Happy that the damage report has moved on from 'Tharg is an England supporter', but maybe that's just me...
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Quote from: Colin YNWA on 04 August, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
... much as I like the potential this offers, and [spoiler]Armoured Gideon [/spoiler] feels like he could have a great roll to play in this story and its appearance could be a very interesting turn ...
Cheers, Colin. I got the wrong end of the stick from Bolt's comment (above).
Yeah I saw the outrage on Facebook!
hmmm, looks like I was being too vague. Sorry.
My thoughts at greater length are:
Indigo Prime is a wacky Sci-Fi serial with multiple dimensions and recently featured an interseries crossover with another old series.
The order is a wacky Sci-fi serial with multiple dimensions and is currently featuring an interseries crossover with another old series.
Both by the same writer and to me both rather similar in tone.
I'm not against this in principle- but by Grud and the man Jovus it needs to work in the story. Just shoehorning something in for the 'WOW!' is not good.
If my previous comment caused kerfuffle out in the Friendface land- then apologies but as I don't frequent that place- meh.
I trust Tharg to make sure this is handled well.
So this week we have possibly the most controversial thing that has been printed in the Prog in a very long time....and no-one is commenting on it.
In the last letter, the writer states that a number of the current writers have supplanted what were his previous favourite writers...
....Mark Millar and Igor Goldkind.
Ok, so I guess every one has their own tastes, and far be it for me to say you should or should not like something, but I found that just a little surprising.
Quote from: Magnetica on 05 August, 2018, 10:41:16 AM
So this week we have possibly the most controversial thing that has been printed in the Prog in a very long time....and no-one is commenting on it.
In the last letter, the writer states that a number of the current writers have supplanted what were his previous favourite writers...
....Mark Millar and Igor Goldkind.
Ok, so I guess every one has their own tastes, and far be it for me to say you should or should not like something, but I found that just a little surprising.
I did do a double take at that myself!
Quote from: Blue Cactus on 05 August, 2018, 11:34:35 AM
Quote from: Magnetica on 05 August, 2018, 10:41:16 AM
So this week we have possibly the most controversial thing that has been printed in the Prog in a very long time....and no-one is commenting on it.
In the last letter, the writer states that a number of the current writers have supplanted what were his previous favourite writers...
....Mark Millar and Igor Goldkind.
Ok, so I guess every one has their own tastes, and far be it for me to say you should or should not like something, but I found that just a little surprising.
I did do a double take at that myself!
Different strokes aye?!!! :o
I'm sure Pat Mills will be campaigning hard for John Tomlinson's credits to appear in The Order now. ..
Interesting cameo in The Order, and given the fictional background of the character a guest appearance isn't particularly out of keeping. If memory serves, a good few early 2000AD stars also made appearances in the character's own strip...
Happy to wait out another few episodes and see where things go, as I think this particular character could fit better than many others, but I'm a little wary of the whole thing.
Would be nice if the return of you know who in The Order meant we got the rest of the original run reprinted in the floppies. Just a thought.
am i the only one squeeing about this i love seeing other tooth characters appearing in other strips hell theres been precident for it as far back as 1977
As with last week nothing much to see beyond Dredd. The artwork is well done as is the storytelling, Nice use of silhouette a la Colin McNeil droid..
The 3Thriller has an interesting start but could head off in a very predictable way... hope not.
Guest appearances are starting to make the Prog look like a MCU episode... but not in a good way.
Letter page alert Buttman! crank up the Beast, no TV appearances don't count. :-X
The Order is one of my favourite stories and now I am really intrigued and curios who this mysterious character is. I must wait until Wednesday for the digital copy to be made available to get my answers. I am glad that I am being kept in the dark by everyone. The wait is part of the game.
Quote from: broodblik on 06 August, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
The Order is one of my favourite stories and now I am really intrigued and curios who this mysterious character is. I must wait until Wednesday for the digital copy to be made available to get my answers. I am glad that I am being kept in the dark by everyone. The wait is part of the game.
If it's bloody Revere...
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Quote from: broodblik on 06 August, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
The Order is one of my favourite stories and now I am really intrigued and curios who this mysterious character is. I must wait until Wednesday for the digital copy to be made available to get my answers. I am glad that I am being kept in the dark by everyone. The wait is part of the game.
If it's bloody Revere...
i am sure it has been done :lol:
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 August, 2018, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 06 August, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
The Order is one of my favourite stories and now I am really intrigued and curios who this mysterious character is. I must wait until Wednesday for the digital copy to be made available to get my answers. I am glad that I am being kept in the dark by everyone. The wait is part of the game.
If it's bloody Revere...
If got it Ritterstahl is Walter the Wobot or hopefully not a certain shower scene and The Order is part of the Dallasverse.............
Hmmm, we don't actually know who made Ritterstahl...
Prog hasn't shown for the 2nd time in 2 weeks.
Who knew subs would be so fustrating.... my money is on the postie nicking it.
This seems to happen every once in a while. A couple of weeks with the prog turning up monday, tuesday or even wednesday. Then things settle again. A tad annoying but generally temporary.
I'd suspect local foul play if it's regular. I'd say on average I miss one issue of 2000 AD or the Meg about every few years. Damaged items are far more likely around here (with our extremely variable posties).
Manco continues to excel on Dredd.
Not really bothered by anything else.
In this prog the guest appearance is a character that I didn't much like appearing in a strip that I also don't much like, so it doesn't bother me too much but the trend is rather lame.
Don't like to be so negative, did I mention how good Manco is on Dredd...
Manco's art is awesome - apart from the Judges' helmets which take the gloss off it for me.
When you think about it there are number of artists who seemed to struggle with it at one point or another e.g. in Ron Smith and Ian Gibson's first few strips it just didn't look right, I never really liked Will Simpson's rendition, even ...shock horror I don't like the way Bolland draws them these days...not that he actually does it much anymore.
Maybe it is that in reality it's actually quite a cumbersome design (?).
Quote from: Magnetica on 06 August, 2018, 10:09:06 PM
Manco's art is awesome - apart from the Judges' helmets which take the gloss off it for me.
When you think about it there are number of artists who seemed to struggle with it at one point or another e.g. in Ron Smith and Ian Gibson's first few strips it just didn't look right, I never really liked Will Simpson's rendition, even ...shock horror I don't like the way Bolland draws them these days...not that he actually does it much anymore.
Maybe it is that in reality it's actually quite a cumbersome design (?).
I really like the way Manco does the helmets, although I can see why people might not.
Dredd and the judges generally must be very arduous to draw. The helmet, all the pads (especially the eagle one), the badge and chain and the belt buckle and pouches.
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 August, 2018, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 06 August, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
The Order is one of my favourite stories and now I am really intrigued and curios who this mysterious character is. I must wait until Wednesday for the digital copy to be made available to get my answers. I am glad that I am being kept in the dark by everyone. The wait is part of the game.
If it's bloody Revere...
Nope, Its Indigo Prime :thumbsup:
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 August, 2018, 03:14:02 PM
Quote from: broodblik on 06 August, 2018, 02:38:03 PM
The Order is one of my favourite stories and now I am really intrigued and curios who this mysterious character is. I must wait until Wednesday for the digital copy to be made available to get my answers. I am glad that I am being kept in the dark by everyone. The wait is part of the game.
If it's bloody Revere...
Fortunately, I realised a second before posting that it's Paul
Bunyan who has been a supporting character in this series. Had been gnashing my teeth about this since an ill-advised glimpse of the Bolt-Frank misconception upthread so finally reading
The Order was [spoiler]a relief[/spoiler].
A stronger
Dredd story from McConville but he really needs to get away from explaining the story in text boxes and actually tell it in other ways. Elevated by the art.
If we're going to have Slaine anyway, I guess Chris Weston drawing it is a good thing.
Dredd – this is a gritty, violence and dark Dredd story with some fantastic art. Just great
The Order – The helter-skelter story continues unabated, the reveal at the end can work if you look at the context of the universe and what is happing
Thriller – The story already has me intrigued and hopefully can keep it up
Mecastopheles – So far it is not to bad and premises looks interesting.
Grey Area- Back in action with another once-offer and hopefully a longer story arc starting next week
Quote from: I, Cosh on 08 August, 2018, 12:31:21 AM
Fortunately, I realised a second before posting that it's Paul Bunyan who has been a supporting character in this series.
Is there any significance to that in relation to [spoiler]the appearance of he who isn't being named on this thread yet?[/spoiler]
I really have lost the plot with The Order.
I need a bullet point guide to WTF is going on.
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Quote from: I, Cosh on 08 August, 2018, 12:31:21 AM
Fortunately, I realised a second before posting that it's Paul Bunyan who has been a supporting character in this series.
Is there any significance to that in relation to [spoiler]the appearance of he who isn't being named on this thread yet?[/spoiler]
No. I just got him mixed up with Paul Revere. Which I guess fits with the strip's mashup of fictional and historical characters.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 08 August, 2018, 09:00:29 AM
WTF is going on.
I haven't picked up Prog 2093, but man what a Sphinx's riddle of a thread...Paul Bunyan, Igor Goldkind, Armoured Gideon, Revere...
And I gather that Armoured Gideon
isn't having a giant demonic mechanoid throw-down with Mechastopheles....
WTF is going on!
Quote from: Link Prime on 08 August, 2018, 09:48:24 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 08 August, 2018, 09:00:29 AM
WTF is going on.
I haven't picked up Prog 2093, but man what a Sphinx's riddle of a thread...Paul Bunyan, Igor Goldkind, Armoured Gideon, Revere...
And I gather that [spoiler]Armoured Gideon[/spoiler] isn't having a giant demonic mechanoid throw-down with Mechastopheles....
What is going on!
Think you should have spoiler tagged that - or does everyone know now?
As to what is going on in The Order - dunno it lost me a couple of series ago!
Quote from: Magnetica on 08 August, 2018, 10:24:25 AM
Think you should have spoiler tagged that - or does everyone know now?
Unofficial but longstanding policy on prog review threads is that you shouldn't read them before you read the prog if you don't want spoilers. Otherwise, the entire thread would be one long mass of black spoiler blocks.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 08 August, 2018, 10:26:52 AM
Unofficial but longstanding policy on prog review threads is that you shouldn't read them before you read the prog if you don't want spoilers.
Fair point but you would also have to extend that to the 'recent posts' thread since they would show up there too. Providing you steer clear until you've got your prog you should be okay but it's an easy mistake to make.
The thing is some things are bigger spoilers than others and just as a courtesy one might want to spoiler stuff even in a spoiler thread.
But I guess it is a personal choice.
For example I knew there was something big this week, but not what nor in which story before I read the Prog, so I was looking out for it.
Apologies regarding the spoiler omission there...don't go all Armoured Jerubaal* on me chums!
*Whilst Googling the correct spelling of Armoured Jerubaal I ironically further self-spoiled the appearance of Armoured Gideon in The Order- the reveal image was on the same web page.
Quote from: Magnetica on 08 August, 2018, 11:40:25 AM
The thing is some things are bigger spoilers than others and just as a courtesy one might want to spoiler stuff even in a spoiler thread.
But I guess it is a personal choice.
For example I knew there was something big this week, but not what nor in which story before I read the Prog, so I was looking out for it.
Since I am a digital subscriber my prog is only available on Wednesdays. I do read this blog beforehand, so I see it more of a case if someone reveal something or add a spoiler I have to life with it. In most cases the guys who read it is very accommodating and mark the spoilers as such. In any case marking a spoiler adds to the intrigue.
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Manco continues to excel on Dredd ... did I mention how good Manco is on Dredd...
Manco's art is awesome
... fantastic art.
Judge Dredd: A Better Class of Criminal ... the more Leo Manco we see from now on the better.
Fifthed. The dynamic use of perspective and unusual angles makes some
very good artists' work on the strip look pedestrian and disengaged.
Manco's leapfrogged his way to the top of the second order of Dredd artists, the group sitting just behind the holy trinity of Flint, MacNeil and Willsher
[1] when it comes to doling out art duties on the epics and 5 or 6 parters.
The Detailed Representational aesthetic isn't even my favourite kind of art, and I don't think it's what best suits the Dredd strip, but you can't argue with the quality of draughtsmanship and exuberant energy bursting out of every page
[2], here.
Like other artists who favour representational forms
[3], Manco's MC1 and cits look like 20th century USA, but his grasp of technology and use of forced perspective to frame it in exciting, original ways more than makes up for that.
Super-powered criminals is a lazy idea. Making a feature of the
awful gang name is endearing, but when character & place names are where you're finding entertainment in a story, you might as well be searching the phone book for rude nouns.
[1] Weston's up there these days, too. Obviously, assigning him to a 26-week epic would be lunacy, but his association with Williams mean he's co-creating some key stories.
[2] Artists like Weston, Roach and Taylor all lavish similar loving attention to detail upon every single panel, but Manco seems to have successfully bridged the gap between what US readers refer to as the European style (lots of detail, undifferentiated line-width, often static) and the more stylised but impactful US art typified by sixties Marvel.
[3] Giants such as Bolland, Smith and Burns among them.
Glad to see you have the same top 3 Dredd artists as me.
But a couple of points.
You have missed off Carlos.
You have misquoted me. And importantly I qualified my praise of Manco saying I don't like the way he draws the Judges' helmets.
[spoiler]Armoured Gideon[/spoiler], was this ever collected ? I remember the series but I cannot remember the premises or anything about the story (only the art)
Quote from: broodblik on 08 August, 2018, 02:53:05 PM
[spoiler]Armoured Gideon[/spoiler], was this ever collected ? I remember the series but I cannot remember the premises or anything about the story (only the art)
Two reprints, but I'm pretty sure that they don't include the entire series;
http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=covers&page=character&choice=GIDEON&Comic=reprints
A complete collected edition would be great, but I don't think it's a popular enough Thrill.
Art was absolutely wonderful.
I'm the proud owner of this Simon Jacob piece;
Er. Wow. Yeah, as reveals go that was pretty unexpected - especially as The Order is a story that's really forged its own identity over its previous three books, creating a unique world and an extremely individualised tone. Having said that, the idea of a colossal mechanoid patrolling the interdimensional boundaries is very in-keeping with its themes. And it's a phenomenal piece of art from John Burns. Surely there's a cover on the way?
(BTW can anyone remind me which progs contained the AG story where strips from 2000 AD's past became intertwined in the narrative?)
As for the rest of the prog I've only read Dredd and M. Stopheles so far; the former is a great continuation of a fine story while the latter is... well, also a great continuation of a fine story.
My first thought on reading this episode of The Order was YAAAAAAAS BWAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAA!
My second thought was that [spoiler]Armoured Gideon itself was a multi-strip crossover, so this may mean the return of SHAKO![/spoiler]
:D
Also the Rennie clan's demon robot story was excellent and I'm loving this Dredd story.
- Trout
Quote from: Link Prime on 08 August, 2018, 03:11:16 PM
Art was absolutely wonderful.
I'm the proud owner of this Simon Jacob piece;
That is one piece of cool art, looks awesome
Quote from: Magnetica on 08 August, 2018, 02:34:13 PM
Glad to see you have the same top 3 Dredd artists as me (but) (y)ou have missed off Carlos.
I think they're great, but that was really more a list of artists Tharg trusted with his most recent epics.
Controversially, I adore Carlos Ezquerra's artwork. It is, however, almost a decade
[1] since he was Tharg's go-to-guy for an epic.
Rey Carlos now reigns over that second order I mentioned, of artists to whom Tharg entrusts longer, significant stories that aren't quite epics
[2] such as
Block Judge &
Ladykiller (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=thrills&Field=Artist&choice=carlose&Comic=2000AD).
[1] That's a combination of focussing on Strontium Dog, being 70 years old, losing a lung to cancer, and Tharg not really running much you could describe as an epic (in the Apocalypse War sense of the term) since Day Of Chaos. Not Tharg's fault and no reflection on Carlos's great work.
[2] Weston, Holden & McRea would be other examples. Sexton seems to have landed right in there, Gallagher & Trevallion have a toehold, and Dave Taylor, Paul Davidson, and Paul Marshall are in the mix, too. Hopefully, Dan Cornwell and Jake Lynch can build on recent high profile stories to establish themselves alongside Manco as safe hands for big occasions.
Quote from: Frank on 08 August, 2018, 04:04:19 PM
Controversially, I adore Carlos Ezquerra's artwork. It is, however, almost a decade[1] since he was Tharg's go-to-guy for an epic.
[1] That's a combination of focussing on Strontium Dog, being 70 years old, losing a lung to cancer, and Tharg not really running much you could describe as an epic (in the Apocalypse War sense of the term) since Day Of Chaos. Not Tharg's fault and no reflection on Carlos's great work.
I love Carlos on Dredd, natch, but it isn't as though there aren't other artists clamouring for a go. When it comes to Stront, though, I don't know if I
want anyone else on that strip (maybe Colin MacNeil). I'd happily have him never draw a Dredd strip again to get as much Stront as possible before his eventual retirement.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 August, 2018, 04:10:53 PM
I love Carlos on Dredd, natch, but it isn't as though there aren't other artists clamouring for a go. When it comes to Stront, though, I don't know if I want anyone else on that strip (maybe Colin MacNeil). I'd happily have him never draw a Dredd strip again to get as much Stront as possible before his eventual retirement.
Well getting an artist or even a writer to take the mantle over on Stront is going to be a mammoth task. I still would like to see Carlos do some Dredd tough.
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 04 August, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
Hmmm, I said "Any other recent instances of crossovers between series?", AFTER reading your post regarding said crossover, hence the "Any other" part of my post.
[spoiler]Bunky[/spoiler] in [spoiler]Judge Dredd[/spoiler].
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Quote from: Magnetica on 05 August, 2018, 10:41:16 AM
So this week we have possibly the most controversial thing that has been printed in the Prog in a very long time....and no-one is commenting on it.
In the last letter, the writer states that a number of the current writers have supplanted what were his previous favourite writers...
....Mark Millar and Igor Goldkind.
Ok, so I guess every one has their own tastes, and far be it for me to say you should or should not like something, but I found that just a little surprising.
I did do a double take at that myself!
It did jump out at me - just goes to show how much the generational gap can affect perceptions (like adults who were introduced as children to the prequel trilogy, so for them that was their first exposure to Star Wars).
So, I was aware that [spoiler]Armoured Gideon[/spoiler] had some visiting crossover characters all those years ago, but could somebody with a better memory than me list some of them?
Quote from: sheridan on 08 August, 2018, 05:34:37 PM
So, I was aware that [spoiler]Armoured Gideon[/spoiler] had some visiting crossover characters all those years ago, but could somebody with a better memory than me list some of them?
Never mind, found them on the British Comics Wikia (https://britishcomics.wikia.com/wiki/Armoured_Gideon) - [spoiler]Bill Savage, Harry Angel, Wolfie Smith, Black Hawk, Shako, Harry Twenty, Rick Random, Meltdown Man, Agent Ratp[/spoiler].
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 08 August, 2018, 04:10:53 PM
When it comes to Stront, though, I don't know if I want anyone else on that strip (maybe Colin MacNeil). I'd happily have him never draw a Dredd strip again to get as much Stront as possible before his eventual retirement.
I love Simon Harrison (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/640.jpg)'s work on
Strontium Dog. Those few episodes of
Final Solution Colin MacNeil (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/85/6a/67/856a6782d24d6b804d3f2edb0dcab8e8--comic-art-judge-dredd.jpg) painted are the loveliest things my eyes have encountered. That double-page spread Brendan McCarthy (http://art.cafimg.com/images/Category_8285/subcat_86922/XkqTQXZf_1505181118471gpadd.jpg) did and covers by Greg Staples (https://i.imgur.com/90AIxrL.png?1) and Steve Dillon (http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/515.jpg) are up there in my pantheon.
I have absolutely
zero interest in seeing any other artist continue the strip once Ezquerra is finished with it. Carlos is
Strontium Dog.
Yes it will be a sad day when Carlos is no longer drawing Strontium or Dredd, but in general the Prog is very well served by artists at the moment. It's more the next generation of writers I am concerned with.
Oh and whilst I have Ben Willsher in my top three artists, he has actually done very little for Tharg since Day of Chaos. I hope he is recovered as I would love to see more of that style he employed on the recent Durham Red story ( as well as his previous style).
Quote from: Magnetica on 08 August, 2018, 06:25:42 PM
Oh and whilst I have Ben Willsher in my top three artists, he has actually done very little for Tharg since Day of Chaos. I hope he is recovered as I would love to see more of that style he employed on the recent Durham Red story ( as well as his previous style).
*coughcough*Roy of the Rovers*cough*
I believe the Armoured Gideon Story with all those other characters was the one in progs 928-935.
Quote from: Frank on 08 August, 2018, 05:48:43 PM
I have absolutely zero interest in seeing any other artist continue the strip once Ezquerra is finished with it. Carlos is Strontium Dog.
Maybe when Carlos is ready and on his terms allow Johnny Alpha to ride off in the sunset (like a good old fashion cowboy movie). No killing just a nice sunset scene.
I keep refreshing the 2000 AD shop, but there's no collected Armoured Gideon hardback with a brand-new Simon Jacob cover. Must be some kind of weird caching error, surely?
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 08 August, 2018, 07:58:48 PM
I keep refreshing the 2000 AD shop, but there's no collected Armoured Gideon hardback with a brand-new Simon Jacob cover. Must be some kind of weird caching error, surely?
I'd love to see some new Simon Jacob artwork - Heroes of 2000AD (https://heroesof2000ad.blogspot.com/2016/12/no-90-simon-jacob.html) says he's doing fantasy art nowadays - anybody got any more info?
Quote from: sheridan on 08 August, 2018, 05:16:54 PM
Quote from: Batman's Superior Cousin on 04 August, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
Hmmm, I said "Any other recent instances of crossovers between series?", AFTER reading your post regarding said crossover, hence the "Any other" part of my post.
[spoiler]Bunky[/spoiler] in [spoiler]Judge Dredd[/spoiler].
See, you understand my original post!!
Great prog from top to bottom for me. Well done Tharg and droids.
Last I heard Simon Jacob was a rep for Gibson Guitars I think. My wife's ex knew him ... or something. I've slept since then.
Some pretty up-to-date stuff on Simon's Deviant Art page (https://www.deviantart.com/shiantu).
Next week's Armoured Gideon cover by Kei Zama looks the business, but its a missed opportunity that the Jacob Droid wasn't reactivated to draw it.
Get him back in the prog, Tharg!
Quote from: Link Prime on 09 August, 2018, 11:11:29 AM
Next week's Armoured Gideon cover by Kei Zama looks the business, but its a missed opportunity that the Jacob Droid wasn't reactivated to draw it
Or that it wasn't John Burns!
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 09 August, 2018, 10:49:08 AM
Some pretty up-to-date stuff on Simon's Deviant Art page (https://www.deviantart.com/shiantu).
Great always like to add 2000AD artists and ex-artists to my following list.
What an excellent Prog!
Unfortunately a Tweeted cover reveal for next week spoiled the surprise in The Order, but I'll live. And let's start there: we get that breather I was looking for last week, or at least a few pages where Burns has time to do some detailed art while folks chat about how things got to the present pass, and its to the benefit of the strip. And then the big crossover splash, which I'm in two minds about: I think the big guy fits perfectly into the complex inter-dimensional time-crisis world of the Order and its steampunky robot men, and I'm delighted to see him back into the bargain; on the other hand, I don't much like Burns' rendition, especially the Escher drawing that is his left arm, the topology of which I can't resolve at all. Let the mighty Burns draw his own batstomm designs, sez I! Anyway, cant wait to see where this goes, as ever.
Dredd is great again. Can't say I normally care for the judges enabling lawbreaking, no matter how useful, but if I'm honest it all feels like this is a missing chapter of The Crime Files and that is a Good Thing. I like that both gangs have a SF/Crazy dimension, and I like the procedural chat between the judges. Add some all-out fantastic art from Manco, which in places looks like Will Simpson at his very best, and I'm happy out. McConville's best work yet, fingers crossed he sticks the landing.
However, Best In Show has to go to Grey Area. If this series has been building to anything, it's this week's unassuming episode. Everything works, everyone looks and sounds like a real person; this is the setting and the characters and the storyline all syncing up perfectly. Highest possible marks to Abnett and Harrison, like Feo I sincerely hope this strip doesn't quit.
EDIT: Drokk, I've just realised I haven't read Mechastopheles or the FS yet! Only 60% read and I'm sated! That's the sign of a dense and statisfying prog if ever there was one. I'll be back...
Addendum: Mechastopheles gelling a bit better for me this week, but still not stoking the eternal furnaces; the 3Riller, I dunno, nice art? Kneale references may be a bit overused at this point, but sure we'll see how it plays out.
As a postie, I doubt very much that it is being pinched in the delivery office(I realise you were probably making a joke) because we deal with so much post and anyone who frequently doesn't get something they have on subscription will complain. I should also say that Rebellion subs department is excellent and it's a very rare time that the prog isn't there to deliver on a Saturday.
Quote from: Colin Zeal on 12 August, 2018, 12:24:01 AM
As a postie, I doubt very much that it is being pinched in the delivery office(I realise you were probably making a joke) because we deal with so much post and anyone who frequently doesn't get something they have on subscription will complain. I should also say that Rebellion subs department is excellent and it's a very rare time that the prog isn't there to deliver on a Saturday.
2094 is now the third week in a row it hasn't shown up. Last sub issue I received was 2091 on the 21st July. It's pretty clear someone near the end of the line is lifting it as it's specifically mine not arriving rather than one earlier in the chain where there would be greater numbers to lift and so less chance it being my copy.
Quote from: BPP on 14 August, 2018, 04:05:26 PM
Quote from: Colin Zeal on 12 August, 2018, 12:24:01 AM
As a postie, I doubt very much that it is being pinched in the delivery office(I realise you were probably making a joke) because we deal with so much post and anyone who frequently doesn't get something they have on subscription will complain. I should also say that Rebellion subs department is excellent and it's a very rare time that the prog isn't there to deliver on a Saturday.
2094 is now the third week in a row it hasn't shown up. Last sub issue I received was 2091 on the 21st July. It's pretty clear someone near the end of the line is lifting it as it's specifically mine not arriving rather than one earlier in the chain where there would be greater numbers to lift and so less chance it being my copy.
That is the reason why I went the digital route. Our post you might get if you get it up to 3 months after it has been posted.