The screening for the Future Shock Documentary is on the 28th of October at 20:15 and as there are a lot of fans on here and on facebook going. Some of us have had a chat to see where would be a decent, close pub to meet up at before the showing.
This pub has been chosen The Mulberry Bush (http://www.londondrum.com/pubs/?r=10019003) which as you can see is right next door to the evenings entertainment.
That's about it really and anyone that's there early save a seat for me, as I intend to be there around 16:00 :thumbsup:
It's an unofficial DSDC drink.....Huzzah!! ;)
Looking forward to it and catching up with fellow Squaxx.
Didn't realise there was an evening showing! Got a crap seat but - booked!
No need for the alarm, so excited that I woke up way before it! So looking forward to tonight as the documentary should be interesting & entertaining and made all the more enjoyable with the fellow forum members who will be there.
Enjoy, folks. The doc's fucking awesome.
someone ask em when its touring round the sticks Independent cinemas?
Just got back.
No news on other screenings - apart from Thought Bubble.
It's a very entertaining doc - and starts of with a gorgeous animated title sequence.
I missed having Mick in there (he said it wasn't his sort of thing apparently) - Alan Moore's absence was a given but I would loved to have seen a bit from Mick.
Great anecdotes from a lot of people, 'Cal's goldfish' was lovely.
Doesn't shy away from the Dark Ages as Pat calls them either.
Some truly laugh out loud moments strewn through a very informative doc and as Steve says, the animation at the start was really enjoyable!
I recommend you all go see this, like now!
From the looks of my Twitter feed this morning, it appears that a viewing of this documentary may have caused Pat Mills and Dark Days Bish-Op to kiss and make up! :o
This happy exchange alone justifies its existence.
From @PatMillsComics:
QuoteIncludes section on the dark days of the @davidbishop /Andy Diggle era. I was most impressed by Dave who had the courage and integrity to acknowledge what went wrong on the comic during their era as editors. Thanks @davidbishop - it closes a grim chapter. I appreciate it.
From @davidbishop:
QuoteHi @PatMillsComics - haven't seen @FutureShockDoc myself yet, but glad to hear you consider that chapter closed.
Fair play to two of my favorite comics gents!
I really enjoyed this.
It's a very professionally put together piece, (certainly a lot slicker than the 10 Years of 2000AD video from Speakeasy all hose years ago. I'd love to see that again) which despite being comprised almost completely of shots of people talking while sitting in front of bookcases, holds your attention completely for its full duration and makes you wish it was a bit longer
Pretty much every creator/editor you'd want to hear from is there (Alan Moore, Mick McMahon and Steve MacManus excepted) and they're all pretty much great to listen to to.
Grant Morrison talks very fondly indeed about the comic and Zenith, which was nice to see. I'd sort of assumed that the reprints of Zenith might have completely alienated him.
Neil Gaiman gets a fair chunk of screen time because....well, because he's Neil Gaiman really. Certainly more than most writers of just a Future Shock or two would get, and he's good value for it, if only for his anecdote about the time Alan Moore told him the complete story of Halo Jones ( no, he doesn't let slip any spoilers).
Matt Smith only gets a very fleeting appearance, whereas David Bishop and Andy Diggle feature extensively. I got the feeling though that that's more because Matt's era seems to be less troubled and more stable than his predecessors.
Really though, whether you love or hate his writing, I'd defy anyone to see this and come away not thinking Pat Mills is a genius. He's a towering presence in it and should be investigated for stookie use as he looks remarkably well preserved.
If you get a chance to see it, do.
Shame Steve McManus choose not to appear (I assume). Such a towering presence over 2000ad his insight into his exception period as Tharg's little helper.
This of course in no way dampens my enthusiasm for this and can't wait to see it, just a shame such a significant figure didn't contribute.
There are a few other creators not interviewed - Al Ewing, Gordon Rennie for example.
From what I've heard there was more of a focus on the founders - although I'd like to have heard more from Cam - Ian Gibson and Alan Davis were absent as well.
Fantastic documentary though, must have been a herculean task editing it down to 95 mins, and I'd love to see a longer DVD edit with more of the creators.
I still think Pat gives Andy Diggle a hard time, it certainly seemed that he was the one that turned things around, even if he went about it badly.
Quote from: Steve Green on 29 October, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
I still think Pat gives Andy Diggle a hard time, it certainly seemed that he was the one that turned things around, even if he went about it badly.
Haven't seen the documentary, but agree with this: David Bishop may have heroically steered the comic through and somehow out of the doldrums and certainly got me back reading it, but it was Diggle's tenure on the Prog and Meg that injected it with the fresh energy it still enjoys.
That said, crossing Pat always treads the line between bravery and stupidity.
Tasty omelette, but a shame about the eggs.
Quote from: Steve Green on 29 October, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
I still think Pat gives Andy Diggle a hard time, it certainly seemed that he was the one that turned things around, even if he went about it badly.
It would be nice if Pat acknowledged that the trajectory for 2000AD under Burton/MacKenzie was a rapid spiral into cancellation and what he calls the 'dark days' were a herculean effort (largely by sheer determination when the title was owned by Egmont, given the lack of senior management support) on the part of John Tomlinson and then David Bishop to pull the title out of that nose-dive. IIRC, Andy's first day as official Right Hand Man of Tharg coincided with the Rebellion buy-out becoming official so, not diminishing Andy's brief but exciting tenure in any way, he at least had a more supportive management structure behind him.
As I've said before: it's possible to disagree with specific things that David and Andy did, and David has certainly acknowledged that things were done in haste that he might have done differently with hindsight, but I think it's broadly unarguable that
something had to be done and, given that we didn't see a Jobsian return of Mills to the helm long-vacated in order to turn the ship around, I think it's churlish of Pat not to acknowledge the turnaround in the title's fortunes, even if he disagrees with some of the methods used to achieve it.
Cheers
Jim
An absolutely unmissable documentary, chock full of fascinating anecdotes and opinion-Neil Gaiman recounting Alan Moore's ideas for continuing Halo Jones' adventures and the thought of what could of been brought a tear to the eye.
Sadly, according to Leah Moore in the doc, even she can't persuade her dad write further books so we'll have to accept the sad reality.
Great to meet up with fellow squax, albeit briefly due to transport issues, and surprise guest Alex Garland was a real gent and happy to have a chat with fans!
A fantastic day! :)
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 29 October, 2014, 01:55:30 AM
Some truly laugh out loud moments strewn through a very informative doc and as Steve says, the animation at the start was really enjoyable!
I recommend you all go see this, like now!
I sat next to the lady who did the animation and her friends. I agree that they did an excellent job. The opening titles were awesome.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 October, 2014, 10:46:07 AM
and surprise guest Alex Garland was a real gent and happy to have a chat with fans!
Nothing to share there? :D
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 October, 2014, 10:46:07 AM
Alan Moore's ideas for continuing Halo Jones' adventures and the thought of what could of been brought a tear to the eye.
ARGHHHHH!And relax.
Dunk!
Loved it; everything a 2000AD fan could ask for really. It manages to cover new ground even for a nerd like me who has absorbed every line of Thrill Power Overload, and listened to countless interviews with Pat Mills, (the recent-ish one with Stacey Whittle was especially good).
As it hinted at above, there's a pretty lengthy portion of the doc given over to Pat, David Bishop and Andy Diggle expressing their competing views of the late 1990s at 2000AD - and really, it's one of the only points of conflict within the comic's history that the filmmakers were able to get both sides of, so it makes sense to feature it heavily.
A lot of the film focusses on Mills and Kevin O'Neill's memories of the early days working under IPC - I guess most of them are dead by now but I'd kind of love to have heard the suits from that company reacting to the long-term survival of the comic they profited from but clearly hated with a passion.
There's also a chunk of respect rightly given to O'Neill for changing the face of British comics by sneaking that first Credit Card into an early prog, thus ensuring that we readers finally got to find out who as writing and drawing everything!
Another tip of the hat also to the team that put together the animations - a cinematic delight.
Many thanks to the director and Producers for putting this fantastic film together. Good luck with the distribution!
Quote from: -Dunk!- on 29 October, 2014, 11:30:46 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 October, 2014, 10:46:07 AM
Alan Moore's ideas for continuing Halo Jones' adventures and the thought of what could of been brought a tear to the eye.
ARGHHHHH!
And relax.
Dunk!
Tell me about it! :lol:
Quote from: Proudhuff on 29 October, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 October, 2014, 10:46:07 AM
and surprise guest Alex Garland was a real gent and happy to have a chat with fans!
Nothing to share there? :D
It was an informal chat Proudhuff, so I'd rather not mate.
Hope you understand. :thumbsup:
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 October, 2014, 11:52:18 AM
Quote from: Proudhuff on 29 October, 2014, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 October, 2014, 10:46:07 AM
and surprise guest Alex Garland was a real gent and happy to have a chat with fans!
Nothing to share there? :D
It was an informal chat Proudhuff, so I'd rather not mate.
Hope you understand. :thumbsup:
Totally, something similar at the Lakes Con for me :D
Still I'll take that as confirmation of a 2nd and 3rd Movie ;)
Loved the documentary (and also seeing so many Forum folks without the chaotic surroundings of a comic con around us). Wished the showing was about three hours earlier so we have all caught up more...
The film was great - it was in danger of being a bit of a "isn't 2000AD great?" fest, but the Dark Ages section, and some earlier Kevin O'Neill anger about royalties made it feel more of a balanced appraisal. Some wonderful anecdotes (Trevor Hairsine's fax machine!); some pointed barbs; and real insight into the creative culture / counter-culture of the late '70s and the corporate frustrations of the '90s.
If you get a chance, absolutely go see it.
(Oh, and hello Forum it's been bloody ages since my last post... Been busy comicking... Latest project is at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/657603937/cross-a-political-satire-anthology (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/657603937/cross-a-political-satire-anthology)). I'll post about it in the appropriate section before I get told off for mentioning it here :-)
Just so you know, it wasn't all 2000 AD, Me and Pete had some down time and so re-enacted the flying Lawmaster scene from that classic movie from the 90's
(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10482073_10152779985726469_3660451592971227614_n.jpg?oh=66f98b99490cfff0a5137e40011177b9&oe=54AA6454)
Quote from: Proudhuff on 29 October, 2014, 12:09:51 PM
Still I'll take that as confirmation of a 2nd and 3rd Movie ;)
Albeit animated, Adi Shankar style...
Cheers!
Jim
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2230663/1995.jpg)
Arf! Board is funny tonight.
He's got a handful.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/pete_zpsab20d3a3.jpg)
my eyes, my eyes, hao can I remove that image from my retina?
Probably not, but here's an interview about the doc with Paul Goodwin.
http://www.djfood.org/djfood/interview-with-future-shock-doc-director-paul-goodwin (http://www.djfood.org/djfood/interview-with-future-shock-doc-director-paul-goodwin)
Mentions a 3hr 40 workprint they had... It would be great to see an extended DVD cut at some point.
Looking forward to seeing this, I Doug Church was due to be involved but he decided against it at the last minute. For those of you lamenting Steve MacManus's lack of involvement he is at work on him memoirs, heading towards Crisis!
Quote from: maryanddavid on 31 October, 2014, 12:42:33 AM
Steve MacManus ... is at work on his memoirs, heading towards Crisis!
I want this
now. I'm soon going to have as many books
about 2000ad on my shelves as I have actual
2000ad books - if this goes well, Richard Burton and Alan MacKenzie's self-justificatory account of the Fleetway years decline * is an inevitability.
*
possible titles: Unser Kampf, The Rise and Fall of the Maxwell Empire, or It Isn't Easy Being Green
I'm hearing about a possible screening of this in Scotland in the early part of next year. More details nearer the time, no doubt.
[sarcasm]Maybe one of those legendary Cal-Hab meet-ups could be organised to coincide with it?[/sarcasm]
Quote from: Steve Green on 29 October, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
There are a few other creators not interviewed - Al Ewing, Gordon Rennie for example.
From what I've heard there was more of a focus on the founders - although I'd like to have heard more from Cam - Ian Gibson and Alan Davis were absent as well.
Fantastic documentary though, must have been a herculean task editing it down to 95 mins, and I'd love to see a longer DVD edit with more of the creators.
I still think Pat gives Andy Diggle a hard time, it certainly seemed that he was the one that turned things around, even if he went about it badly.
And Mike Carroll as well of course - (sorry Mike)
It would have niche, but the topic of working on an established story like Dredd, or one (in the case of Strontium Dog) of a story trying to survive the death of the lead character could have been interesting to the readers, if not a wider audience.
Quote from: GordonR on 31 October, 2014, 07:22:19 AM
I'm hearing about a possible screening of this in Scotland in the early part of next year. More details nearer the time, no doubt.
[sarcasm]Maybe one of those legendary Cal-Hab meet-ups could be organised to coincide with it?[/sarcasm]
Sarcy cow! The last one was almost a success...