Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

[wedgeski]

the mysteries of Snoke, Rey's heritage (I don't buy Kylo's jab)

I don't see any mystery in Snoke - Palaptine and Vader are dead so another Sith lord steps up to take power. I'm sure there's more that could be told about his background, but I didn't feel it was necessary for the purposes of the plot.

I could have done with more.

Rey's "ordinary" background is central to the major theme of the movie - anyone can use the force, you don't have to be descended from a master or to be anyone special.

*No-one* had a random awakening in all the time between RotJ and TFA?!

[JamesC]

the mysteries of Snoke, Rey's heritage (I don't buy Kylo's jab)

I don't see any mystery in Snoke - Palaptine and Vader are dead so another Sith lord steps up to take power. I'm sure there's more that could be told about his background, but I didn't feel it was necessary for the purposes of the plot.

I could have done with more.

Rey's "ordinary" background is central to the major theme of the movie - anyone can use the force, you don't have to be descended from a master or to be anyone special.

*No-one* had a random awakening in all the time between RotJ and TFA?!

Luke had an academy with at least a dozen force sensitive students. Do we know anything about their backgrounds (certainly not from the films)? They could easily have been ordinary people who Luke sensed were sensitives or something (other than Ben/Kylo of course).

[JOE SOAP]

the mysteries of Snoke, Rey's heritage (I don't buy Kylo's jab)

I don't see any mystery in Snoke - Palaptine and Vader are dead so another Sith lord steps up to take power. I'm sure there's more that could be told about his background, but I didn't feel it was necessary for the purposes of the plot.

I could have done with more.

Snoke's fate seemed obvious since in The Force Awakens Ben Solo's stated life goal to his grandfather's melted head was to "finish what you started"; not surprising he did exactly that: killed his master and became Ruler of the Galaxy. Using Rey as a distraction for Snoke is a replay of Vader's plan to use Luke as a means to strike the Emperor down.

Besides, Snoke is an eejit: he built another Death Star after 2 had all ready been blown-up.

Rey's background in The Force Awakens was vague rather than mysterious and the only decent answer to that ambiguity is that she can be anyone/no-one which is more or less the awakening theme in the film and the message to the galaxy: anyone can be a Jedi and resist. Episode IX should carry through with that.

Rey's "ordinary" background is central to the major theme of the movie - anyone can use the force, you don't have to be descended from a master or to be anyone special.

*No-one* had a random awakening in all the time between RotJ and TFA?!

If we take Prequel logic, it seems no one else during the original trilogy - other than the Skywalkers - had scored enough midi-chlorians for the force to speak fluently enough through them.

If we go by the Originals, there are apparently no known force-users because it's a suppressed, forgotten, and forbidden knowledge until after Return of the Jedi.

In the Sequels, as has been pointed out, Luke found a few to teach.

[Dandontdare]

and there was also the lad with the broom on the casino planet - there may have been many "awakenings" that were never developed because people didn't immediately think "ooh, I'm a jedi, best enrol in luke's academy"

[Professor Bear]

If we take Prequel logic, it seems no one else during the original trilogy - other than the Skywalkers - had scored enough midi-chlorians for the force to speak fluently enough through them.

If we go by the Originals, there are apparently no known force-users because it's a suppressed, forgotten, and forbidden knowledge until after Return of the Jedi.

And if we go by the spin-off media (which has been rendered canon by several of the movies), there have been plenty of awakenings over the years, they just didn't feature in the Skywalker saga.

We saw the number of young Force users from across the galaxy that there actually were in RotS - there was only a handful, so clearly they're pretty rare even in a galaxy of trillions of people, and post-RotS there are only four people who could sense them, none of whom got out very much: two sat with their thumbs up their holes for 20 years, one lived in seclusion because of his "injuries", and the other was floating in a vat of milk on top of a volcano castle for some reason.

[GrudgeJohnDeed]

I definitely didn't like the way Snoke was handled. I was under the impression that by the original Star Wars, we're down to two Jedi and two Sith. Jedi, Sith and the Force itself are passing into myth. They're very rare, and you need training to 'git gud'. So who trained Snoke, why is he so powerful (especially if no-one did train him!)? He seems old, has he been around all this time, was he perhaps even pulling Palpatine's strings?? Was he in a position close to the old Imperial leadership to fill that power vacuum or did he launch a plan to hijack it by force?


Magicking up all-powerful Sith, not developing or explaining them at all and then chopping them down as unceremoniously as they were introduced is really unsatisfying to me and makes them seem a bit ten-a-penny. They could still perhaps explain some of this in the next one though of course, perhaps tie Snoke into some deeper reveal about the world, I'd like that!

[JamesC]

I thought the Snoke thing was a good rug pull. It was more interesting than any backstory about him was likely to be.

[The Legendary Shark]

The more gaps there are, the more opportunities for spin-offs to fill them.

[shaolin_monkey]

A Star Wars story:  The Snoke Years! Working title - How I Learned to Love Wearing a Dressing Gown Everywhere.

[Bolt-01]

Snoke wears a dressing gown at all times, appears to live in a fabulously opulent manner, looks way too old and 'interesting' to have had a quiet life and is very interested in the arrival of a young lady with extraordinary skills...

Isn't that Hef?

[The Legendary Shark]

From Stiff to Sith, the Rise of the Clerk of Darkness: A Star Wars Asset Story.

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

The Jedi are no more and the Emperor tightens his EVIL GRIP around more and more regions of the galaxy.

Enforcing order and obedience throughout the Empire, DARTH VADER has the VILE Emperor's sanction to break any and all dissent or resistance.

But tyranny is expensive and the COST must be COUNTED. Thus, as deadly ion bombs reign down on Bawlie Gollux, the SINISTER Sith Lord's new personal accountant, Young Master Snoke, has a question about Section 347b of the Personal Expenses Code Regulations...

[Professor Bear]

This story premise has been invalidated by the completely canon three-part Clone Wars story about banking regulation.

[JOE SOAP]

And if we go by the spin-off media (which has been rendered canon by several of the movies)

That would be an ecumenical matter.

[Colin YNWA]

Snoke wears a dressing gown at all times, appears to live in a fabulously opulent manner, looks way too old and 'interesting' to have had a quiet life and is very interested in the arrival of a young lady with extraordinary skills...

Isn't that Hef?

Sweet Jesus there a movie we all deserve. The Playboy Menace.

[auxlen]

That would be an ecumenical matter.

I tink yerr right