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I can prove it is a comic writers conspiracy!

Started by Thread Zero, 25 October, 2001, 07:22:58 AM

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Thread Zero

Why is there only a small club of writers that work for 2000AD?

Strange that.

I mean we have Wagner and Grant, Abnett, Morrison and Rennie.
Plus sometimes Smith, S Moore and a few others occasionally.

But no new ones. Ever.

If you think I am being harsh consider this.

What do Steve Moore, Gordon Rennie and Robbie Morrison all have in common?
They are all in gainful employment at 2000AD and yet have all written unsuccessful strips.
Don't believe me?

Rennie's Witchworld: cancelled after one series.
Moore's Fed Fang: cancelled after one series.
Morrison's Vanguard: (apparently) cancelled after one series.

Yet they remain employed.

Also Mike Carrey writes Carver Hale. Unlikey to return although the ending was left to be continued.
And he is writng a new story called 13.

It proves that once you are in the club you are set up for life.

Shame 2000AD does not try new writers.
But I guess if you got writers who have proved unsuccessful (see above) you don't need new talent!

scojo


Thread Zero


GordonR

Scojo,

You really are a clueless plonker, aren't you?  

Everyone currently doing anything creative has had their non-successes and stinkers.  If you vetoed 2000AD writers or artists on the basis of having at least one non-successful/cancelled strip then no-one - no-one at all -would be working for the comic.  Certainly not John Wagner, Alan Grant or Pat Mills, who have all also had their fair share of stinkers.

But let's live on Planet Scojo for a moment, and apply your idiot logic to world outside of comics:

(Remember, folks, to play this game, you have to think of one flop someone has produced, and then claim that they should then never be allowed to work again.)

Steven Spielberg.  1941?  Always?  Empire of the Rising Sun?  Why does this talentless flop-merchant still have a career?

George Lucas.  Howard the Duck.  Labyrinth.  Need I go on?

Ridley Scott.  Legend.  White Squall.  Bladerunner.  (Major major flop, remember.)  As some idiot once said, "It proves that once you are in the club you are set up for life."

So why don't you get to the real point you're trying to make, scojo, which is blatantly this:

"Bah, why don't they hire me instead of these people.  'Cos I've written four screenplays and I'm really talented, despite all the evidence to the contrary which I keep foolishly posting here."

But I think you may be right, scojo.  I think there probably is a conspiracy at 2000AD.  A conpiriracy to thankfully keep clueless plonkers from working on the comic.

Thread Zero

Man, you are one spiteful guy.

What is your problem?

Yet again you fail to see my point.

Why does 2000AD not give new writers a chance?

If established writers write flops, why not give new ones an opportunity to show their talent?

As for my foolish postings,
1] Matt likes me.
No one has ever said they like you here.
2] I love people who say things and don't back up their argument with an example.
Please show me an example of one of my foolish postings.

You are very quick to criticise me yet you have not given the board one constructive idea what the Dredd film should be about or 2K.

I have done so many times in the past.

All you do is attack me personally.

So who is the clueless plomker?

The aspiring screenwriter who posts a Dredd screenplay idea here or the screenwriter who doesn't?

I will leave you to answer that.

scojo







Wake

>Shame 2000AD does not try new writers
>
What about Si Spurrier? He only started this year after co-winning the Pitch Fest at DreddCon:1  with his Old Red/Moby Dick story.  Since then he has had several future shocks...which might pave the way to a series.

The general feeling of the Scriptdroids Yahoo group is that the road is tough, but not futile.

One reason you see a lot of work from a fairly small batch of writers is that they are prolific. Steve Moore's stuff may not be the best, but it fills the space. John Wagner, Alan Grant, Pat Mills, Dan Abnett, Gordon Rennie, John Smith, etc can all write classic stuff. Just because not everything they do is excellent, doesn't mean that a novice from the scriptdroids group could do better. Even Si Spurrier's recent future shocks haven't been as good as his first one.

Wake

pauljholden

Ok, Scojo, a quick lesson in reality.

2000AD has a weekly deadline. 2000AD has contact details for a number of writers who can produce at the very worst scripts that have a 50/50 chance of being good within the tight deadlines that are required. (Personally I think it'd be more good than bad, but for the object of todays lesson we'll err on the side of caution).

2000AD has a massive slush pile, the contents of which, I can assure you, are almost 100% crap. Andy and Matt would /love/ to commission new writers (if only so that they don't have to constantly commission Steve Moore), but frankly, apart from the occasional rough gem (Si Spurrier for example) they haven't been able to find them. I /know/ you're convinced of your superiority in this department - but you've offered no evidence to back it up, unless you want to be judged on your Dredd movie idea or your ?Garth Ennis? beater ? if they?re all you?ve got to offer then I suggest you give up. Your misplaced arrogance on the other hand suggests someone who?s never been published, or likely to be. (Trust me, being a tosser and being a comic creator, while not mutually exclusive could only be done in the early 90s).

So, to sum up:

2000AD needs writers not scripts.

Thread Zero

What are you talking about?

My Helter Skelter was far better than Garth's and I only wrote it in about 2 hrs!!

Please show me your Dredd movie idea then?

C'mon.

I bet till my daying day i can write better than every 2000AD writer.

Any character any time.

As for my Dredd idea,

So starting the movie in present day New York and then morphing to Mega City 1 sucks?

Having a villian using the actual judges as his tool to destroy Justice Dept, sucks?

Having Dredd having come to terms with his cloned heritage and questioning it, sucks?

Having a wealth of absurd crimes shown around the main plot sucks?

Please tell me why my ideas are so poor.

I want an answer please.

Tell me your ideas then NOW.

scojo
 


pauljholden

Yoinks. I thought you were off to play in less hostile waters?
 
"My Helter Skelter was far better than Garth's and I only wrote it in about 2 hrs!! "

I think you'll find, you where the only one who thought this. But then you didn't have to write a story only the start of some cloning gibberish.

"Please show me your Dredd movie idea then? "

I don't have one. I don't claim to be a writer, I never have done.

"I bet till my daying day i can write better than every 2000AD writer. "

You can bet all you like, as long as you don't have to prove it. I can bet til my dieing day that I'm taller than every person in Europe, but until they all line up and compare heights I can delude myself all I like.

Let's see a story then, if you're so brilliant. If you're such a brilliant writer, you'll have no problem knocking out a simple 5 paragraph story with a proper beginning, middle and end (hard to believe I know, but that's the way they insist on getting them in 2000AD!)

"Any character any time. "

"As for my Dredd idea,

"So starting the movie in present day New York and then morphing to Mega City 1 sucks?

Hah. Who knows, wouldn't it depend on the f/x? I could write "Woman kisses man" -- is that erotic? who knows, until it's written as more than a notion it could be horror or porn.

"Having a villian using the actual judges as his tool to destroy Justice Dept, sucks?

Been done. (Judge Cal)

"Having Dredd having come to terms with his cloned heritage and questioning it, sucks?

Been done. (The Cal Files)

"Having a wealth of absurd crimes shown around the main plot sucks?

Been done. (Every dredd story ever printed)

"Please tell me why my ideas are so poor.

I didn't say they were poor (although I lack originality) I said " if they?re all you?ve got to offer then I suggest you give up."

Your ideas are poor because there's nothing about them that screams "inspired". But they are only ideas, a writer doesn't write ideas they write "stories".

"I want an answer please.

You've got one. Let's see an answer, or better yet, a STORY.

"Tell me your ideas then NOW.

Scojo: "I'm brilliant, you're all crap"
everyone else: "well.. you're not brilliant."
scojo: "well, prove that you're brilliant then I'll believe I'm not brilliant."

Whether I have ideas or not for a dredd movie does not negate you being an arrogant idiot, who will never rise above the level of wannabe until you start putting your money where your mouth is and writing "stories" and not just "ideas".

mrcomicus





pauljholden

"As for my foolish postings,
"1] Matt likes me.

Are you sure Matt doesn't view you with a certain morbid curiousity?

"No one has ever said they like you here.

I'll go on the record and I say I like Milo.

"2] I love people who say things and don't back up "their argument with an example.
"Please show me an example of one of my foolish "postings.

He doesn't need to, you keep doing it ;P


Thread Zero

Any Dredd film will use existing ideas from the comic.

Heard of Judge Death?

Oh yeah, he is going to appear in the new movie.

So I guess the Dredd film will be the original Judge Death story as seen in prog 150?

So I guess your criticism will extend to whoever writes the screenplay.

That argument is pathetic.

Didnt you say I wrote better than Garth Ennis anyway?

As for the cloning element it was a minor part. What about the attack on Mega City One by the alternate manta wagons which you conveniently forget?

Or Dredd geeting nightmates from the alternate Dredd?

Oh you forgot that too!

Scojo





Thread Zero

You are so weak.

"2] I love people who say things and don't back up "their argument with an example.
"Please show me an example of one of my foolish "postings.

He doesn't need to, you keep doing it ;P


Really, I wrote a teaser Helter Skelter which I thought you said was written better than Garth's.

As I will write a Dredd screenplay you are wrong again.

And just again to remind you,

ANY DREDD FILM WILL USE EXISTING STORYLINES AND IDEAS FROM 2000AD.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU IDIOT?

So please post your criticism to the screenwriters.

scojo

pauljholden

teehee... Did poor you really think I thought your story was good? ah diddums. You seemed to have missed the sarcasm in my previous posts. Oh well. Still, can't be helped.

I don't doubt you'll write a dredd screenplay (heck, you have the software) I DO doubt that you'll be able to sell it. Which is, after all, the point.

"ANY DREDD FILM WILL USE EXISTING STORYLINES AND IDEAS FROM 2000AD.

"DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU IDIOT?

"So please post your criticism to the screenwriters.

Ah, so the ideas you were posting weren't even yours!

Ah well, now, there you go.

W. R. Logan

>"No one has ever said they like you here.



>I'll go on the record and I say I like Milo



I'll second that one and can say that I've shared a room with MrComicus on a couple of occasions and he's quite likeable as well.



Anyone else want to join the love-in?



yours sincerely,

Wm Wenders.