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Title: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 18 November, 2013, 03:04:03 PM
As years ago there was talks about productions on Preacher of the comic, it failed, so after The Walking Dead, it might happens, thanks to Seth Rogen.

http://www.totalfilm.com/news/seth-rogen-hints-hes-turning-preacher-into-a-tv-series (http://www.totalfilm.com/news/seth-rogen-hints-hes-turning-preacher-into-a-tv-series)

Seth Rogen could be about to bring comic book series Preacher to life as a TV show on AMC, the network responsible for other horror comic adaptation The Walking Dead.

Badass Digest report that the network, which is clearly looking to plug a gap after the end of Breaking Bad, has commissioned a pilot episode based on Garth Ennis' gory comic series.

And AMC has apparently nabbed one of the comic's biggest fans to make sure it's done right, with Rogen reportedly on board as a producer.

"Looks like about seven of years of hard work are about to pay off. I may get to bring one of my favourite stories ever to life," Rogen tweeted on Saturday, before dropping a massive hint about which story he was talking about by listing some very familiar names...

An adaptation of the Vertigo comics series has long been on the cards, with James Marsden once cast in a defunct movie adap as Jesse Custer, a priest who acquires great power after getting possessed by a demon.

After that, HBO commissioned Ghost Rider's Mark Steven Johnson and Howard Deutch to produce a TV pilot that would have turned each issue of Preacher into a single episode.

With every attempt to bring Preacher to life having failed thus far, we can't help but approach this news with a little cynicism.

Given AMC's track record with daring TV projects, though, we're feeling pretty positive that if a Preacher series does get greenlit, it'll stay true to Ennis' brilliantly ballsy series.

Let the casting rumours commence...
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 18 November, 2013, 03:10:11 PM
That's interesting, in light of Brian Wood commenting that Vertigo and/or Warner had actively spiked approaches by AMC to develop DMZ as a TV series.

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Steve Green on 18 November, 2013, 03:24:44 PM
If it came off, I'm curious how it would work without the copious amounts of swearing. I seem to recall AMC are very light on swearing, (and nudity?) compared to the levels of violence.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: gurnard on 20 November, 2013, 01:11:02 PM
DMZ now that would be cool, but then Preacher would be pretty cool, though a little more grotesque of course.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JamesC on 20 November, 2013, 01:15:59 PM
I love Preacher but I think it's very 'of it's time' and I think it suits the comic medium fine. No need for an adaptation in my opinion.
So many of the characters are so over the top it would be horrible in live action. Can you really imagine a live action Jesus DeSade, Meat Man or Herr Star? I cringe at the thought!
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 November, 2013, 01:23:18 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 20 November, 2013, 01:15:59 PM
Can you really imagine a live action Jesus DeSade, Meat Man or Herr Star?


I can indeed. Garth and Steve's characters are very cinematic.

Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 20 November, 2013, 01:32:24 PM
QuoteI love Preacher but I think it's very 'of it's time' and I think it suits the comic medium fine. No need for an adaptation in my opinion.
So many of the characters are so over the top it would be horrible in live action. Can you really imagine a live action Jesus DeSade, Meat Man or Herr Star? I cringe at the thought!

I'm inclined to agree. I have a lot of affection for Preacher, but it's incredibly juvenile and a little derivative - it's basically the worst excesses of Tarantino and Kevin Smith.

I honestly can't see it working as a TV show or film.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Tiplodocus on 20 November, 2013, 01:42:08 PM
PREACHER in the style of INBETWEENERS might just work.  Any attempt to make it mature and proper gritty would be a disaster.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Recrewt on 20 November, 2013, 02:15:35 PM
I think Preacher would convert well to screen seeing as it draws a lot from Westerns.  I always imagined screen to mean a movie rather than a TV series.  Still, TV has come a long way of late with things like the walking dead series. 

Swearing and violence can be toned down and wouldn't be too much of an issue.  The real problem will be the religious elements and I'm not sure American TV is ready for that yet.  Try removing it though and it really starts coming apart.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: pictsy on 26 November, 2013, 08:27:35 PM
I only read the Preacher stories that appeared in the Meg way back when.  I remember enjoying it, but in all those years I never sought out the trades to find out the conclusion.

I think it could work as TV program and it would be interesting if it was faithful adaptation.  I agree with Recrewt about the religious elements.  I would be surprised if they would dare to be faithful but if they do dare then I'd probably give it a go.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 10 March, 2014, 11:59:01 AM

Another update; Here on why it won't work as the movie.

It was recently announced that Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg would be the men to finally bring about a long-awaited Preacher adaptation, with the duo set to turn the cult comic-book into a television series.

And while many attempts have been made to bring the property to the big screen, Goldberg is adamant that television is the best medium through which to do the comic-book justice.

"We're beyond excited," says Goldberg. "We've tried to make it for 10 years. The big difference is everyone else tried to make it a movie and it shouldn't be a movie. It should be an AMC show, that's the proper way for it to get done."

"It's too big; you can't do that in a movie. It's just too big. You've gotta learn the characters. It's all about a love triangle and you need to grow with them and see the woman swayed one way or the other, and in a movie you just can't accomplish all that."

And as for the content of the show, Goldberg is keen to keep it as true to the comics as possible.

"We're gonna stay as true to the comic as we can. We need to change some stuff but we're not gonna change much, I hope. We're just gonna do a little more of the preamble instead of doing flashbacks and restructure how we dole out the information a little."

"But we're gonna [do the] same characters, same story, same ending.  We're gonna try to stick to Preacher as best we can." Amen to that.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Apestrife on 11 March, 2014, 06:31:20 AM
Really cool that this and Hellblazer seems to be in the works. Gives me hope about DMZ and 100Bullets also hitting the screen one day.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 11 March, 2014, 08:13:59 AM
Quote from: Apestrife on 11 March, 2014, 06:31:20 AM
Gives me hope about DMZ and 100Bullets also hitting the screen one day.

I wouldn't hold out too much hope with DMZ — Brian Wood said in an interview last year that approaches from AMC had been rebuffed quite firmly by Warner, even though they showed no interest in developing it themselves.

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 March, 2014, 08:32:18 AM

Series Adaptation Of DC Comic 'DMZ' From 'Mad Men's Andre & Maria Jacquemetton, 'Gravity's David Heyman Set Up At Syfy (http://m.deadline.com/2014/02/dmz-syfy-series-dc-comics-david-hayman-jacquemettons/)


Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 11 March, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
I stand corrected! Interesting that this has changed since Vertigo was moved out of DC's direct chain of command...

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 11 March, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 March, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
I stand corrected! Interesting that this has changed since Vertigo was moved out of DC's direct chain of command...


Could be; both Constantine and Preacher went into pre-production in the last month too.

Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 11 March, 2014, 10:16:55 AM

Just hope Constantine and Preacher done well.

If Preacher will happens, so how to break the stories into series,

Series 1 for Book 1? More into Custer in his town, then ending with hit by Genesis? Meet Tulip and Cassidy?

Series 2 would be Book 2, meet the redneck family and The Grail?

Etc
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Professor Bear on 11 March, 2014, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 March, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
I stand corrected! Interesting that this has changed since Vertigo was moved out of DC's direct chain of command...

Cheers

Jim

I can't help but notice that DC's name is still somehow all over that press release for a Vertigo project, and that it goes to pains to paint Vertigo as some sort of integrated and junior imprint rather than the separate entity that was the one thing keeping DC afloat and relevant for most of the 2000s.  I'll be interested to see if they manage to stamp the DC logo all over any Vertigo projects like Preacher in the near future, given the talent drain and bad feelings from creators towards the company.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Apestrife on 11 March, 2014, 01:33:45 PM
Quote from: Professor Bear on 11 March, 2014, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 11 March, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
I stand corrected! Interesting that this has changed since Vertigo was moved out of DC's direct chain of command...

Cheers

Jim

I can't help but notice that DC's name is still somehow all over that press release for a Vertigo project, and that it goes to pains to paint Vertigo as some sort of integrated and junior imprint rather than the separate entity that was the one thing keeping DC afloat and relevant for most of the 2000s.  I'll be interested to see if they manage to stamp the DC logo all over any Vertigo projects like Preacher in the near future, given the talent drain and bad feelings from creators towards the company.

Surely hope that isn't the case. That could seriously blunt the edge Vertigo has. There was enough flack with how DC treated Alan Moore...

Anyways.

Interview with David Goyer about Hellblazer.

http://www.iamrogue.com/roguetv/video-interviews/item/10811-exclusive-video-david-s-goyer-talks-constantine-tv-pilot.html

Goyer was pushing for an adaption of 100Bullets some years ago, I really hope his involvement in making Hellblazer happening will be a step in the right direction.

In this interview from 2013 it sounds like he'll continue at getting it done  :)

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62904

So. DMZ, Hellblazer and Preacher looking very likely to hit TV, Sandman the silver screen and Goyer continuing working for an 100Bullets adaption. Anything else Vertigo that's on :) ?
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Link Prime on 11 March, 2014, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: Apestrife on 11 March, 2014, 01:33:45 PM

So. DMZ, Hellblazer and Preacher looking very likely to hit TV, Sandman the silver screen and Goyer continuing working for an 100Bullets adaption. Anything else Vertigo that's on :) ?

The excellent iZombie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IZOMBIE
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 16 July, 2014, 09:08:49 AM
Seth Rogen has posted a new photo confirming that Willie Nelson's 1975 song "Time of the Preacher Man" is set to be used in the opening of Preacher.

(http://i.imgur.com/Hl6zk2v.jpg)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 19 March, 2015, 10:40:59 AM

Ruth Negga of Agents of SHIELD is Tulip

(http://static.tvgcdn.net/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/M_R/Ma_Mar/Marvels_Agents_of_SHIELD/season1/marvels-agents-shield-88.jpg)(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BoDoZdH9VHk/T-oFV8nVaxI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/ZX2oK1Wr5wU/s400/668732-4857_20080217094301_large.jpg)

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/03/19/agents-of-shield-star-joins-amcs-preacher-pilot-as-tulip (http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/03/19/agents-of-shield-star-joins-amcs-preacher-pilot-as-tulip)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Famous Mortimer on 20 March, 2015, 08:20:19 AM
While trying to maintain my feminist credentials, boy howdy is Ruth Negga beautiful. And good at acting, thankfully.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 25 March, 2015, 10:43:06 AM
Oh never thought of that, perfect casting!!!

http://www.gamesradar.com/joseph-gilgun-will-play-cassidy-preacher/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/joseph-gilgun-will-play-cassidy-preacher/)

Joseph Gilgun as Cassidy

(http://deadlame.co.uk/image/data/Gallery%20Pics/G4.jpg)(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9116/1519137-preacher03.jpg)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Tiplodocus on 25 March, 2015, 12:50:26 PM
He looks about right. And she's a bonny looking lass but she had best be a good actress because she isn't really screaming "Tulip" at me.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 25 March, 2015, 03:40:13 PM
I love Gilgun in This Is England - a really charismatic actor. He should be great, just hope he nails the accent.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: I, Cosh on 25 March, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
Quote from: radiator on 25 March, 2015, 03:40:13 PM
I love Gilgun in This Is England - a really charismatic actor. He should be great, just hope he nails the accent.
I guess Cassidy should have a bizarrely mixed-up Transatlantic accent, no?
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 23 April, 2015, 03:41:10 PM
Dominic Cooper has been cast as Jesse Custer.
Title: Re: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 26 April, 2015, 10:13:36 AM
Good casting all round then. Hopes momentarily raised.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Karl Stephan on 26 April, 2015, 10:30:23 AM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 23 April, 2015, 03:41:10 PM
Dominic Cooper has been cast as Jesse Custer.

Nope. He just doesn't look the part. Arseface, maybe? Those dozy eyes look like they'd be better off staring out from under a  few layers of prosthetic make-up.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 06 May, 2015, 09:55:02 AM
Quote from: The Cosh on 25 March, 2015, 03:59:25 PM
Quote from: radiator on 25 March, 2015, 03:40:13 PM
I love Gilgun in This Is England - a really charismatic actor. He should be great, just hope he nails the accent.
I guess Cassidy should have a bizarrely mixed-up Transatlantic accent, no?

Nah, he seems to have kept his inner city Dub accent in the comic all the way.  I re-read the whole series recently; for me it's always been marred by the fact that I fucking hate that self-important, judgemental, self-righteous bully Jesse Custer.  (I know Cassidy's worse, but I kind of enjoyed the bit where he [spoiler]punched Jesse in the chest and broke his ribcage[/spoiler].  Taste of his own medicine, I call it.)

But I'm really looking forward to the series, I honestly am.  The Saint of Killers and Cassidy on the telly?  Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: gurnard on 06 May, 2015, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: radiator on 25 March, 2015, 03:40:13 PM
I love Gilgun in This Is England - a really charismatic actor. He should be great, just hope he nails the accent.

Yeah he was good in that and in Misfits. Also saw him in a Sci Fi film Lockout where he played a crazed inmate very well.  Like his stuff think he would be great as Cassidy who was originially Irish or English was he not? Agree with Cosh that the accent would surely be an amalgamation of many though.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Bad City Blue on 07 May, 2015, 03:10:36 PM
That is absolutely perfect casting, and he's a fucking good actor to boot
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Theblazeuk on 07 May, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
Every single thing Cassidy says should be in the thickest Irish accent ever.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 08 May, 2015, 09:48:09 AM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 07 May, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
Every single thing Cassidy says should be in the thickest Irish accent ever.

That would be my suggestion too; and not just because I'm a Mick (albeit only half a one by blood).  I wonder if Americans ever think Irish actors have rubbish American accents when they play yanks?  Because Americans pretty much always do rubbish Irish ones.  Except for Brad Pitt in Snatch, fair play to him.

EDIT:  If Cassidy was someone whose speech patterns adapted to his surroundings, he'd have stopped calling cigarettes 'fags' a long time ago.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Link Prime on 08 May, 2015, 09:59:26 AM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 07 May, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
Every single thing Cassidy says should be in the thickest Irish accent ever.

Correct.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 08 June, 2015, 08:17:41 PM
Seth Rogen send teaser on twitter;

(http://i.imgur.com/jsUpu2i.jpg)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Zenith 666 on 08 June, 2015, 10:34:02 PM
I went looking for info on this today at lunch and nothing happening.Think cooper negga and giligun will be superb.worried about Elizabeth Perkins character being a quincannon and being introduced so early but I suppose just taking the source material and putting it on screens a bit boring and pointless.fingers crossed they do Jesse Tulip and Cassidy justice.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 09 September, 2015, 10:52:12 PM
First official poster!

And it will debut in May 2016!

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Preacher-Poster-33098.jpg)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 10 September, 2015, 02:51:09 AM
Quote from: Goaty on 25 March, 2015, 10:43:06 AM
Oh never thought of that, perfect casting!!!

http://www.gamesradar.com/joseph-gilgun-will-play-cassidy-preacher/ (http://www.gamesradar.com/joseph-gilgun-will-play-cassidy-preacher/)

Joseph Gilgun as Cassidy

(http://deadlame.co.uk/image/data/Gallery%20Pics/G4.jpg)(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/9116/1519137-preacher03.jpg)

That guy as Cassidy!

Might have picked the Irish fellow from the same show he was in. Forget his name, but the talkative one that can't die.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 31 October, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
Wooo!

First little teaser! You can see Cassidy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf9hC6hfIWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf9hC6hfIWc)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JOE SOAP on 31 October, 2015, 08:45:04 PM
That teaser was less than compelling; the brand features longer than the scenes.

Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 02 November, 2015, 05:22:52 AM
The trailer has now aired and here it is folks!

PREACHER TRAILER (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNgI2sRzr8I)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: amines2058 on 02 November, 2015, 07:14:58 AM
Hmmmm. Am liking the look of Cassidy, but trailer seems to make out that Jessie is a bad ass kick ass rebel, rather than [spoiler]someone who is possessed by a half angel half demon[/spoiler]. In fact not picking up any supernatural vibe at all..... :-* :-\
Will need to see more to be convinced but am decidedly on they fence at present, and perhaps a little disappointed.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 02 November, 2015, 09:49:02 AM
It does looks awesome!
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Dunk! on 02 November, 2015, 09:51:50 AM
I presume AMC have learnt from Walking Dead and are making a TV version of Preacher universe rather than a direct adaption of the Comic.

Works for me. The new characters, storyline directions and surprises of WD have been most welcome.

Glad Cassidy is full "Oirish" though, feared an English Sid Vicious punk from the still.

Dunk!
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: TordelBack on 02 November, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
This was never really going to be for me, but Cassidy's excruciatingly bad accent may well make it unwatchable. 

However, Jesse was a badass rebel before he got the Voice, even if that's not the order that things were presented in the comic, surely that's what we're seeing here?
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 08 November, 2015, 05:32:28 AM
Quote from: Tordelback on 02 November, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
This was never really going to be for me, but Cassidy's excruciatingly bad accent may well make it unwatchable. 

However, Jesse was a badass rebel before he got the Voice, even if that's not the order that things were presented in the comic, surely that's what we're seeing here?

I assume Cassidy is the Irish-vamp and not surprised he's sounds like he doesn't the role and that part right at the end sounds like proposition. Not that know enough about the source material to know if this did go on between.....

Imagine that Half-Demon/Angel Priest and Vampire doing that!

I had hoped that the actor being a natural scot might get the Irish accent right, he's comes off a bit retarded when asking about....

What type of Priest are you?

Just like a toddler, and not mature potential vampire or vampire the case may be.

Being no expert of the Irish talking. I couldn't tell you the difference between  Northern, from Eastern, Western, and Southern, myself.

Yet, I have phonetic sense that appreciates what most people sounds best in a lot of accents I know that isn't it. Regardless of my own back ground. 

Have a listen  to  these (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOOQVvYLgZs)

I only remember David Boreanaz (Who's really of more latin extraction!)  would once in while talk Irishly man in flashback scenes in Angel the only spin off of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Where he actually was Irish vampire embraced by the female mayor of Defiance. I always thought
his voice and look perfect for a mature Slaine.

As Brad Pitt, I relish his Irishness in Snatch, but not the other film The Devils Own. I can really imagine his voice for the impromptu Irish boxer perfect for wandering Celtic barbarian.

Never thought about Tom Cruise allusions to his family roots and Colin Farrell's natural voice.
Yet it can't really be acting if it's not fake!

As for Gerard Butler who in the same boat as the Joseph Gilgun both being scots that don't really convince me of sounding like they come anywhere from the near west.

If I didn't know better, I'd say he purposely.....

This fellow might have ben the perfect choice.....

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Oz_lLn0I3hQ/TziSYgSJ-GI/AAAAAAAAKFE/99JJGCJM0kQ/s1600/Cassidy+Fassbender.jpg)

I remember his voice when he used it that way in Jonah Hex.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: DaveGYNWA on 08 November, 2015, 11:58:42 AM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 08 November, 2015, 05:32:28 AM
......as the Joseph Gilgun both being scots

Joseph Gilgun isn't Scottish.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: TordelBack on 08 November, 2015, 12:47:19 PM
So often the problem with 'the Irish accent' is the assumption that there is one such thing. I work with lads that grew up within an hour's drive of me and I can barely understand a word. See also: English accents, of which America seems to believe there are exactly two: Mockney and Hugh Grant.

Given the diversity of accents in the States thenselves, you would think that dialect coaches would tell their students to pick a specific accent and just stick to it.  Most of those guys in TS's video flip between two and three regions in a single sentence (with the exception of Boreanaz, who just misses the point entirely) - Cruise, for example, has a convincing enough stab at one, then switches to another, destroying all credibility mid-sentence.  Pitt gets this right in Snatch, going for mental levels of overexagerration, but sticking with it - so it works. As Aiden Gillen has shown, this isn't a problem that Irish actors themselves are immune to.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Professor Bear on 08 November, 2015, 02:03:30 PM
Happens with American accents, too.  I've heard people ask why Spider-Man doesn't sound like a New Yorker - although to be fair, they might just be wondering why he doesn't pepper his speech with obscenity and racially-abuse muslims on the street without any discernible provocation.

The trailer makes it look like a retooled third season of Banshee, and they've buried the supernatural elements, for whatever reason.  Probably can't be as boring as the last season or so of Walking Dead, mind, so I'll give it a go.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 10 March, 2016, 10:17:35 AM
(http://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Preacher_FirstLook_013-1024x684.jpg)

(http://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Preacher_FirstLook_014-1024x684.jpg)

(http://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Preacher_FirstLook_015-1024x684.jpg)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 14 March, 2016, 07:55:21 PM
Pilot will debut in US on 22nd May.

And here new poster;

(http://i.imgur.com/Jd8qSFo.jpg)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Ghastly McNasty on 14 March, 2016, 08:26:38 PM
I will be watching this but have set myself to be massively disappointed. My fave comic of all time. Please don't fuck it up.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 14 March, 2016, 08:44:24 PM
Quote from: Ghastly McNasty on 14 March, 2016, 08:26:38 PM
I will be watching this but have set myself to be massively disappointed. My fave comic of all time. Please don't fuck it up.

What McNasty said, although maybe more a favourite comic of the time than all time.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 14 March, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
Quote from: Tordelback on 02 November, 2015, 11:11:16 AM
This was never really going to be for me, but Cassidy's excruciatingly bad accent may well make it unwatchable. 


Oh no.  I'll watch the trailer later, but I'm bracing myself for the worst.

Obviously the bad accent thing happens with other nationalities too, but when Dublin is where I live and it's excruciating when you hear a crap version of the accent with which you're most familiar.

I liked Cassidy in the comic; far more than I liked Jesse and Tulip.  He's a deeply flawed character, but he's not presented as anything else  (unlike Jesse who in my book is a smart-arsed, obnoxious bully who Garth Ennis seems to think is a prince amongst men).  I'll be sad if they fuck him up.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: dweezil2 on 14 March, 2016, 11:17:15 PM
They blow up [spoiler]Tom Cruise[/spoiler] in the pilot apparently!!!!!! :o
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 14 March, 2016, 11:27:52 PM
Just watched the trailer - Cassidy's accent wasn't quite as bad as I'd expected.

Dweezil - are you sure?
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: dweezil2 on 14 March, 2016, 11:32:33 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 14 March, 2016, 11:27:52 PM
Just watched the trailer - Cassidy's accent wasn't quite as bad as I'd expected.

Dweezil - are you sure?

Check out comicbook resources!  ;)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 15 March, 2016, 06:05:48 AM
You're right, bejaysus and begorra!
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Goaty on 15 March, 2016, 07:50:35 PM
That sounds good, but think it got be stock footage!

The pilot episode of AMC's "Preacher" premiered at SXSW the other day to some truly gushingly positive reviews, but one of the most talked about elements was a very short surprise cameo that people can't stop talking about.

SPOILERS AHEAD

[spoiler]Like the comic, the series has Texas preacher Jesse Custer (played by Dominic Cooper) becoming possessed by a supernatural entity named Genesis who grants him unnatural power - the possession itself causing his church and congregation to explode in the process.

EW reports that the pilot has a twist - turns out before he gets to Jesse, the entity goes around the world possessing various preachers while they practice their faith - but their bodies can't handle it and so they violently explode.

This is shown in a montage, a montage that includes none other than Tom Cruise standing outside a Scientologist church. He explodes as well. Producer Evan Goldberg tells the mag: "It's amazing, no one said anything! We kept waiting for somebody to say 'no' and now it's too late."[/spoiler]

You'll get to see it for yourself when "Preacher" premieres May 22nd.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 16 March, 2016, 09:43:07 AM
Do you know what?  I'm really looking forward to this.  I got a bit tired of the comic as it went on, but still dying to see it on the increasingly-less-small screen.   
However, I'm not seeing any mention of [spoiler]the Saint of Killers[/spoiler]; surely one of the series' [spoiler]most iconic characters. I just want to hear his voice.[/spoiler]

I think Dominic Cooper is about ten years older than Jesse is in the comic, which to be fair makes me feel a tad more comfortable about being old myself.
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Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 27 March, 2016, 04:45:27 AM
The first picture of Arseface has surfaced, for those who want to have a look :lol:
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Post by: richerthanyou on 27 March, 2016, 05:27:09 AM
Quote from: COMMANDO FORCES on 27 March, 2016, 04:45:27 AM
The first picture of Arseface has surfaced, for those who want to have a look :lol:

Not deformed enough IMO

The rest of his face looks too normal....

Still I'm looking forward to seeing the show.
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Post by: DrRocka on 27 March, 2016, 06:41:25 AM
Gah, everything about this seems SO watered down, and yet I really do want to see it, if only to mentally cross from my list of things to love.
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Post by: Goaty on 02 April, 2016, 07:44:16 PM
Promo, looks great! Arseface!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_iwKbI2sSA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_iwKbI2sSA)
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Post by: radiator on 12 April, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
Curiosity about this TV adaptation has finally got me to revisit the original comics for what must be the first time in 15+ years.

As I feared, so far at least, it really hasn't aged well at all. Some of the story stuff, like Cassidy and Tulip just randomly finding Jesse minutes after meeting each other - and Cassidy subsequently turning out to be a vampire, is really clunky and contrived, and other things - like the aftermath of the Saint of Killer's first massacre - the police and FBI agent having a relaxed chat about Root and his son and resolutely not freaking out - or even seeming that bothered - that dozens of cops just got gunned down in cold blood really jumps out and slaps me around the face reading it now.

I know Preacher was always a very pulpy, cartoonish series, but you still need some semblance that a story is taking place in some kind of living, breathing world with real stakes. It's all much looser and rougher than the tight, brilliantly-realised series I remember tbh.

And the whole Jesse/John Wayne thing was and remains a shameless rip-off of Clarence talking to Elvis in True Romance. Wonder if they do that aspect in the TV show?
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Post by: Goaty on 26 April, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/0HlC4H1.jpg)
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Post by: Devons Daddy on 27 April, 2016, 04:15:03 AM
22nd May for us mere mortals is the official first airing on TV.

Dominic Dorn the lead character  played FLEMING in the very good SKY tv show drama about Ian fleming, based on that fact this has added to whole thing for me,

iTunes TAKE ME MONEY!!!!
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 27 April, 2016, 08:29:14 AM
Quote from: radiator on 12 April, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
I know Preacher was always a very pulpy, cartoonish series, but you still need some semblance that a story is taking place in some kind of living, breathing world with real stakes. It's all much looser and rougher than the tight, brilliantly-realised series I remember tbh.


Yes, I really enjoyed it at the time (although I thought it paled in comparison to Watchmen, Animal Man etc).  It was a very original approach for Vertigo; a sort of blue-collar movie-goer's comic, I suppose, as opposed to Pete Milligan's output that assumed everybody was familiar with the works of Joyce and Hemingway.

But a lot of it seems immature and silly in hindsight; I don't mean the dirty jokes or anything but the kind of first-year-studenty banter  ('You like Bill Hicks?  I like Bill Hicks too! He's awesome!'), and the fix-everything-with-fists attitude  (Domestic violence?  Beat the shit out of them.  Racism? Beat the shit out of them.  Paedophilia?  Beat the shit out of them.).  And I've always hated Jesse as a lead character, with his simple-minded macho bullshit ('Shrinks are for assholes.') - he was a dick then and I still think he is.

It's not nearly as good as some of Garth's later stuff (The Boys, for example, is an amazingly neatly-scripted story, and Crossed somehow makes a zombie apocalypse into something hauntingly sublime),but I still enjoy the odd re-read and I still cannot fucking wait to see this series.
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Post by: Goaty on 09 May, 2016, 11:53:58 PM
It get great review, can be big spoilers. Hope it come to UK Tv soon!

http://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/3389403/review-preacher-new-favorite-show/ (http://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/3389403/review-preacher-new-favorite-show/)
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Post by: radiator on 10 May, 2016, 01:54:48 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 27 April, 2016, 08:29:14 AM
Quote from: radiator on 12 April, 2016, 05:35:33 PM
I know Preacher was always a very pulpy, cartoonish series, but you still need some semblance that a story is taking place in some kind of living, breathing world with real stakes. It's all much looser and rougher than the tight, brilliantly-realised series I remember tbh.


Yes, I really enjoyed it at the time (although I thought it paled in comparison to Watchmen, Animal Man etc).  It was a very original approach for Vertigo; a sort of blue-collar movie-goer's comic, I suppose, as opposed to Pete Milligan's output that assumed everybody was familiar with the works of Joyce and Hemingway.

But a lot of it seems immature and silly in hindsight; I don't mean the dirty jokes or anything but the kind of first-year-studenty banter  ('You like Bill Hicks?  I like Bill Hicks too! He's awesome!'), and the fix-everything-with-fists attitude  (Domestic violence?  Beat the shit out of them.  Racism? Beat the shit out of them.  Paedophilia?  Beat the shit out of them.). And I've always hated Jesse as a lead character, with his simple-minded macho bullshit ('Shrinks are for assholes.') - he was a dick then and I still think he is.

It's not nearly as good as some of Garth's later stuff (The Boys, for example, is an amazingly neatly-scripted story, and Crossed somehow makes a zombie apocalypse into something hauntingly sublime),but I still enjoy the odd re-read and I still cannot fucking wait to see this series.

Yeah, totally agree - much like the films of Kevin Smith, I thought it was amazingly clever and funny aged 15, but now it all seems a bit embarrassing and juvenile. There's some slightly troubling and retrograde views on homosexuality in evidence that went right over my head at the time, but jumps out at me now. Seemingly every character in it who isn't 100% straight and 'normal' is portrayed as some sort of deviant. And yeah, Jesse seems like a real knucklehead on this reread - like the bit where he and Cassidy shove a cat in a toilet and flush it - I don't really see a joke, just cruelty. It only makes me like them less.

Having said all that, I'm on to the 'Proud American' arc right now and I think it's aged much better than the earlier material. Looking back I think I always liked the action-heavy story arcs revolving around The Grail more than anything else.

I'm really, really curious to see how the TV adaptation goes, because a lot of this stuff just wouldn't fly nowadays. I'm hoping that they can take the core elements and make a show that's a bit more mature and weightier. But with Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg at the reins, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: CrazyFoxMachine on 12 May, 2016, 11:51:42 AM
Quote from: radiator on 10 May, 2016, 01:54:48 AM

Yeah, totally agree - much like the films of Kevin Smith, I thought it was amazingly clever and funny aged 15, but now it all seems a bit embarrassing and juvenile.

I was just having this discussion last night - the Kevin Smith thing is weird because I thought he was great when I was 14 but now that I realise when he made most of them at the age I was when I was waaaayyy over that kind of infantile stoner humour. He made Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back when he was 30 :S
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 12 May, 2016, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 26 April, 2016, 03:57:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/0HlC4H1.jpg)

Where's the blonde?
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Post by: Steve Green on 12 May, 2016, 06:21:36 PM
Tulip is played by Ruth Negga, who is to the left of Jesse.
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Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 12 May, 2016, 06:33:12 PM
Don't ruin it for him :lol:
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 12 May, 2016, 06:47:38 PM
It's odd how they can get an Irish actress for Tulip but not an Irish actor for the only Irish character in it.  Still, if he nails the accent, I'm on board.
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 12 May, 2016, 09:19:13 PM
Well, he's pretty close to being Irish, at being a Scot.

Though he was...a bit too camp from what footage I've seen, and after reading more about the vampire's background I now it's probably very accurate.
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Post by: Dark Jimbo on 12 May, 2016, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 12 May, 2016, 09:19:13 PM
Well, he's pretty close to being Irish, at being a Scot.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 12 May, 2016, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 12 May, 2016, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 12 May, 2016, 09:19:13 PM
Well, he's pretty close to being Irish, at being a Scot.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It must be agreeable if they cast him in that role!
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Post by: DaveGYNWA on 13 May, 2016, 12:24:00 AM
I'm confused - do you think the actor (playing the Irish vampire Cassidy) is Scottish?
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 13 May, 2016, 04:37:21 AM
Well, h has this northern accent...that's more to the east!
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Post by: TordelBack on 13 May, 2016, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 13 May, 2016, 04:37:21 AM
Well, h has this northern accent...that's more to the east!

We all sound the same to these Kiwis.
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Post by: GordonR on 13 May, 2016, 08:59:29 AM
Quote from: Tordelback on 13 May, 2016, 08:08:50 AM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 13 May, 2016, 04:37:21 AM
Well, h has this northern accent...that's more to the east!

We all sound the same to these Kiwis.

That wooshing sound you hear is your joke flying high, high over the head of its recipient.
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Post by: Goaty on 13 May, 2016, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 12 May, 2016, 09:19:13 PM
Well, he's pretty close to being Irish, at being a Scot.

Though he was...a bit too camp from what footage I've seen, and after reading more about the vampire's background I now it's probably very accurate.

So you been seen footage but still ask us who Tulip? Ok...
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 13 May, 2016, 05:48:02 PM
Quote from: Goaty on 13 May, 2016, 09:13:35 AM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 12 May, 2016, 09:19:13 PM
Well, he's pretty close to being Irish, at being a Scot.

Though he was...a bit too camp from what footage I've seen, and after reading more about the vampire's background I now it's probably very accurate.

So you been seen footage but still ask us who Tulip? Ok...

I admit I don't know the characters that well except for the priest and vampire. I know there is blonde, because I have seen her in pictures, artwork, and the action figure I think. Yet, never recalled her name....okay. So, I somebody called somebody Tulip in the only bit of footage. It wouldn't register on me other than a another female.

I don't recall the footage all that well, expect that I thought the Scottish sounding vampire might have ben trying to do Irish accent and not too sure about that....myself and that he seemed like a.....
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Post by: DaveGYNWA on 14 May, 2016, 09:26:47 AM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 13 May, 2016, 04:37:21 AM
Well, h has this northern accent...that's more to the east!

I'm biting, when I really shouldn't have even clicked to show the post.....

He's from Lancashire, not Lanarkshire.
Also.....Lancashire is to the west, not to the east.
It's also in England, not Scotland.
And there are loads of different accents in the UK.
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Post by: GordonR on 14 May, 2016, 10:15:23 AM
In Thryllseekyr World, there are only two kinds of accents--

People who sound a bit like how he imagines Slaine would sound
Everyone else
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 14 May, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
I beginning to think Slaine should have a Afrikan accent, but still a whitey!
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 15 May, 2016, 05:17:50 AM
Quote from: GordonR on 14 May, 2016, 10:15:23 AM
In Thryllseekyr World, there are only two kinds of accents--

People who sound a bit like how he imagines Slaine would sound
Everyone else

It's also been my assumption that none of us would truly know that......not even the most related of you would!

Yet, you can guess & use frog if stuck on that one element they couldn't find to complete the dinosaur cloning.
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Post by: Woolly on 15 May, 2016, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: ThryllSeekyr on 15 May, 2016, 05:17:50 AM
Yet, you can guess & use frog if stuck on that one element they couldn't find to complete the dinosaur cloning.

(http://i1144.photobucket.com/albums/o499/woolly76/1a9_zpsadgp64kv.gif) (http://s1144.photobucket.com/user/woolly76/media/1a9_zpsadgp64kv.gif.html)
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 15 May, 2016, 05:05:12 PM
In Jurassic Park...(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nClYDL7jgj0).
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: COMMANDO FORCES on 18 May, 2016, 03:38:55 AM
ENJOY (https://youtu.be/2HEHVjRLEes)
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Post by: TordelBack on 18 May, 2016, 06:36:20 AM
So the Word of God [spoiler]stops working once the Genesis host explodes[/spoiler]?  Seems like that opening scene would have been much freakier if the [spoiler]congregation had remained utterly silent as they ran away...[/spoiler]

Still, always good to be reminded of Edge of Darkness.
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Post by: Goaty on 18 May, 2016, 10:19:13 AM
Well well, Preacher will be debut in UK on this Monday on Amazon!
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 18 May, 2016, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: Tordelback on 18 May, 2016, 06:36:20 AM
So the Word of God [spoiler]stops working once the Genesis host explodes[/spoiler]?  Seems like that opening scene would have been much freakier if the [spoiler]congregation had remained utterly silent as they ran away...[/spoiler]


Does Peter Gabriel cameo ?

(http://youtube.com/watch?v=Wq6OUqqlzA4)
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Post by: ThryllSeekyr on 18 May, 2016, 08:11:51 PM
Perfect Cassidey grin there.....

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/social_post/600/0/1/cassidy-gilgun-social_1.jpg)

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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 19 May, 2016, 07:39:45 AM
While there are lots of things I didn't like much about the comic, I'm counting the days.  Also love that they've used the same song Garth quoted at the very beginning. Great stuff.  '[spoiler]Open your ass and holes to Jesus[/spoiler]' - looks like they're on the right track here.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 23 May, 2016, 09:28:21 AM
Watched half of it.  Pretty good so far.  Sadly, though Gilgun hasn't got the accent down at all - given that it's supposed to be my local accent, I can see Cassidy being very grating.
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Post by: DaveGYNWA on 23 May, 2016, 11:23:51 AM
Yeah, it's not bad at all. The accent isn't great at all, but that was always something that was going to bother me anyway (I put off watching Sons of Anarchy for ages purely because I knew they ended up in Ireland at some point)

Genuine LOL @ the Cassidy + Cow moment.
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Post by: Mattofthespurs on 23 May, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
Just finished watching the first episode on Amazon Prime and I really liked it.
Now I've been a huge Preacher fans for many, many years. My Counter Strike name is, and has been, Jesse Custer for over ten years and the changes in the show to the comic are fine by me.
I'm looking forward to next week's episode.
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Post by: Devons Daddy on 23 May, 2016, 03:43:37 PM
WOW, i mean BLOODY HELL WOW!!
1 minute in i am hooked,  then it went through the stratosphere.
casting was perfect i may add, yes thats it for me,
TAKE MY MONEY!!!! stream it to my Fony head implant now.

[spoiler]you know that noise like a bunny trapped in trap, you ready to make that noise now? [/spoiler]
I so want to say that to an errant employee,  :o :D
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Post by: Mattofthespurs on 23 May, 2016, 05:38:51 PM
Yeah...It was good, wasn't it  :D
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Post by: Keef Monkey on 23 May, 2016, 11:02:40 PM
Yeah I have to say I loved that and was a bit gutted when the episode ended, could have easily gone another couple of hours of it and it's a while since I thought that about a show.

They've obviously changed a lot of the events, but the tone is spot on and the writing and cast are nailing the characters (Cassidy is fantastic). More please!
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Post by: amines2058 on 24 May, 2016, 06:07:52 AM
Another big fan here. Watched the first episode last night and was completely enthralled, even though I was dubious about departures from the source material.
Looking forward to next week now as I can see this climbing up into my must watch group of shows along with GOT, Penny Dreadful, Walking Dead and The Flash.
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Post by: DrRocka on 24 May, 2016, 08:01:47 AM
I thought it moved at a snails pace and barely recognized any of the characters, especially the relationships between Jesse and Tulip & Jesse and Arseface. It was ok, but I couldn't shake the feeling that it was very "Preacher - lite".
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Post by: Satanist on 24 May, 2016, 11:40:15 AM
After worrying about how this would translate I thought this was bloody excellent and could not get over how well they did Arseface.

Although it was just an intro to the main players theres still a lot of folk to meet.
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Post by: Toni Scandella on 24 May, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
Ob the side of loved it. Accents do not bother me as nobody is trying to do a Salford one (notice that Texans are a bit irritated as are some Irish folk) and I am especially living Cassidy so far... and will pretend that Joseph is Cassidy next time I watch Pride.

I liked the comic but it was sensible to change it around a bit.

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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 24 May, 2016, 02:43:39 PM
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 24 May, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
notice that Texans are a bit irritated

I was wondering about that.  An English bloke and an Irish lass doing a Texas accent, and another English lad doing an Irish one. 

Still, I'm liking it a lot so far.  I think I may even prefer this Jesse and Tulip to the comic ones - Jesse seems a bit less up his own arse, and Tulip seems to be quirky and fun as well as tough (while it was great to see such a strong woman starring in Garth's version, I found her personality a wee bit bland). 
And so far, no wanky studenty conversations  about how great Bill Hicks / Laurel and Hardy / whatever are (though my computer died before I could finish the episode).

I have no problems with it departing from the exact plot of the comic, which is pretty sprawling and raggedy in parts anyway, and I have no problem without quite so many f-bombs and castrations (which both got a bit repetitive in the comics).  Once again AMC shows us all how adapting grown-up comics is done - look and learn, Snyder.
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Post by: radiator on 24 May, 2016, 04:29:58 PM
Well, that was a Preacher TV show alright. i thought it was teriffic, and hope the rest of the series can sustain that level of quality.

I thought it was a superb adaptation, in that it nailed the spirit of the source material and clearly respected it, but it wasn't afraid to do its own thing, and made it work in a totally different medium.

The humour is still typically Ennis, but the general tone and writing is far more polished and smarter than those early issues of the comics (note my critique on rereading the comic - that the story feels like its taking place in a vaccuum, whereas the TV show conveys a much more fully realised world for the events to take place in). I for one greatly appreciate the (relatively) slow burn, and I like that it seems like the TV show will stay confined to Annville, for the time being at least.

I was concerned about the shows ambition, and it looking cheap as a result, but i was blown away by how great it looks. AMC must have thrown a lot of money at it. Packed full of beautiful shots and great visual gags.

I love the three leads, not even bothered by the dodgy accents, can't wait to see where it goes (having the comic panels burned into my brain I have zero interest in seeing a frame for frame translation).
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Post by: Tjm86 on 24 May, 2016, 04:53:38 PM
I know what you mean about the vacuum quality at times in the comic.  I always found that fairly authentic though.  There really are places that are pretty much cut off from the rest of the world in this country never mind America (I'm tempted to say Westminster but this isn't the political thread).

I wouldn't mind seeing what it looks like but it's Amazon so I guess I'll have to stick with the comic. :(
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Post by: radiator on 24 May, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
Can you not get it on iTunes in the UK?
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 24 May, 2016, 05:04:03 PM
Quote from: radiator on 24 May, 2016, 04:57:54 PM
Can you not get it on iTunes in the UK?

So you can... that surprises me. £2.49 per (HD) episode, or a 'season pass' for £20.99.

Cheers

Jim
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Steve Green on 24 May, 2016, 05:15:55 PM
Yeah, weird - I thought Amazon had dibs on it over here.
Title: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 24 May, 2016, 05:46:59 PM
I imagine that they have exclusive streaming rights, but other sites can sell downloads.

I'm watching via iTunes. I'm pretty sure the pilot was free, but maybe that is US only?
Title: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 24 May, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
this may be a stretch, but its interesting how they're (maybe, possibly) tying hints of The Grail into Cassidy's backstory, and (jumping a few steps ahead) maybe that's how Jesse ends up getting The Grail after him.

Seems like a smart move, writing-wise, as is tying Tulip's backstory much closer to Jesse's.

Imo works much better than the three just randomly bumping into each other in quite a clumsy way as per the comic.

In any case, I like what they're doing with Cassidy.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Tjm86 on 24 May, 2016, 06:45:46 PM
Hey thanks for that.  Might take a punt on that just to see what it is like.
Title: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Toni Scandella on 24 May, 2016, 08:24:10 PM
I already had Prime so bargain :)

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Post by: Mattofthespurs on 25 May, 2016, 08:30:23 AM
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 24 May, 2016, 08:24:10 PM
I already had Prime so bargain :)



Me too plus I have an Amazon Fire Stick jammed in the back of my TV so it's all good.
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Post by: Keef Monkey on 25 May, 2016, 10:14:22 AM
Two weeks until the next episode (apparently the pilot went out a week early as a sort of sneak preview after Fear The Walking Dead to capitalize on those viewers and generate buzz before the proper series premiere next week - so next week is just the pilot again)!

Makes sense, but it'll be a long two weeks, I'm already really looking forward to more.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Steve Green on 25 May, 2016, 10:52:19 AM
I wondered why there was a gap.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Tjm86 on 25 May, 2016, 05:44:42 PM
Okay, so downloaded and watched from iTunes..... 

I know that they have departed a lot from the comics in terms of structure and that is to be expected but I do wonder about pacing.  A lot of the key characters from the comics all coming together in Annville?  That ending?  The plane scene?  Cassidy's phone call?

Granted there were some fun comedy moments.  A wry smile about Tom Cruise.  Other than that I have to admit to being a little underwhelmed.  It's only a pilot so I'll give it time to find it's feet but I get the feeling that they are not sure that they are going to get this past the first season so they're trying to cram in as much as possible now.  Given what happened with Constantine I can understand the thinking.
Title: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 25 May, 2016, 05:58:52 PM
Agree and disagree. What is clear is that the Tv show really needs a larger recurring cast than the comic, which basically had three characters.

What i wonder about is how long the action stays anchored in Annville. A large part of the appeal of Preacher was always the great American road movie aspect - from New York to San Francisco to the swamps of Louisiana, but i can't see how that would be doable on a TV show budget (and I believe the production is based in New Mexico, which seems to limit scope in terms of filming locations...).

It'll be very interesting to see what they do. admittedly its promising that the pilot had scenes set in Russia and Africa.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JamesC on 26 May, 2016, 10:15:19 AM
Watched it last night. I think it shows promise but I'm not 100% sold.
I'm not entirely convinced by the casting of Jesse. I like Dominic Cooper but he hasn't quite filled the role yet in my opinion. There was one point in his performance which showed real promise though - the moment during the bar fight where he smirked while throwing a punch.
Also, Cassidy isn't quite how I imagined him. He seems a little too silly somehow - I always thought he should be cooler,[spoiler] which makes the revelation that he was the younger, stupid brother during his origin story more of a shock[/spoiler]. It was a very deliberate choice in the comics to never show Cassidy without his sunglasses and I think that would have worked well in the show. Only a small thing but it irked a little.
Other than that, everything looked great and I'll be interested to see where it goes. So far the bodycount is fairly low - [spoiler]things should heat up a bit once the SoK arrives. I expect that'll be the impetus to leave Annville as they go on the run (assuming that's going to happen).[/spoiler]
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Post by: radiator on 26 May, 2016, 07:15:00 PM
QuoteSo far the bodycount is fairly low

I'd say that's for the best - in the comic the body count seems excessive to me now, and the lack of wider reaction to all the massacres starts to stretch the suspension of disbelief. And thats in a comic, let alone in a live-action TV show.

I think people might need to recalibrate their expectations of this show somewhat - it's going to be very much its own thing. Think of it as Preacher meets Breaking Bad.

What impressed me about the pilot is that it feels very fresh and modern, whereas the comic feels painfully rooted in the 90s. I wonder how they're going to explain Arseface, though, now that Kurt Cobain is as antiquated a cultural figure as Jim Morrison was when the comic was being published.

I'm also keen to see how the show deals with the concept of the 'word of God'. It has the potential for some really interesting moral and philosophical discussions that are only really skimmed over in the comics. It's promising that the first time Jesse uses it serves as both a darkly funny moment and a warning of the consequences of ultimate power.
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Post by: Tjm86 on 26 May, 2016, 07:40:53 PM
Quote from: radiator on 25 May, 2016, 05:58:52 PM
Agree and disagree. What is clear is that the Tv show really needs a larger recurring cast than the comic, which basically had three characters.

That is quite true.  I'm just not sure about bringing them all out as fast as they did.  Could they have held off a bit before rolling out Cassidy and Tulip?


Quote from: radiator on 25 May, 2016, 05:58:52 PM
What i wonder about is how long the action stays anchored in Annville. A large part of the appeal of Preacher was always the great American road movie aspect - from New York to San Francisco to the swamps of Louisiana, but i can't see how that would be doable on a TV show budget (and I believe the production is based in New Mexico, which seems to limit scope in terms of filming locations...).

True.  It is still very early days and I'm still holding out to see where it goes.  I feel that there are some things that are going to be very risky for them to deal with.  The Lucifer series has ruffled feathers in some quarters out in the states.  Whilst Preacher was a comic it was fairly low key but a TV series is far higher profile.  There are some aspects of the comic that are highly likely to be handled very carefully.

Quote from: radiator on 26 May, 2016, 07:15:00 PM

I think people might need to recalibrate their expectations of this show somewhat - it's going to be very much its own thing. Think of it as Preacher meets Breaking Bad.


Very true.  Just as Walking Dead found a way to redefine the narrative, so this is going to look to find its own version of the story.  Part of me wants to root for it and I do hope it finds its feet.  I just feel that it hasn't really started in a way that truly impresses.
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Post by: maryanddavid on 26 May, 2016, 11:39:38 PM
Just watched it and the same as Tjm, a little underwhelmed.

There is a lot right, casting seems good, even Cassidys accent which has given rise to some comments, was fine if a little Pat Shortish, Irish boarders will know what I mean.

Setting, music, humour all good.  I did find the throwing of every major character into the mix in the first episode diluted the three main characters presence, especially Jesse himself. 

I like that they have changed the storyline a bit, like in the Walking Dead, it makes for a more entertaining watch.  Enough to bring me back for another episode or two.
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Post by: JamesC on 27 May, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
It's been a while since I read the comics but, if they're going to include the undefeatable Saint of Killers (and it seems a shame not to), how can they stay in Annville? Aren't they on the run from him?
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Post by: Steve Green on 27 May, 2016, 12:28:38 PM
[spoiler]Rumour is that Graham McTavish has been cast as the saint - has there been any confirmation that they're staying in Annville?[/spoiler]
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Post by: Theblazeuk on 27 May, 2016, 12:39:22 PM
I liked it very much and I'm interested in seeing where all the deviations from the source go. So far, for the better.
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Post by: Geoff on 27 May, 2016, 11:55:16 PM
Just watched the pilot and I have to say I'm disappointed.

I agree that a direct adaptation would be difficult and that it would suffer from being dated in parts. It does look great, sound good and in some respects feel right...

But I'm not sold on Cooper as Jesse. He strongly gives off this older grizzled world weary vibe whereas Jesse appeared to be (and to some extent was) a rather simplistic young bloke - which made his bizzare and terrible childhood all the more shocking.  His rather stiff and sanctimonious traits were annoying but good characters do get under your skin. The show's Preacher with his dark brooding, is all tried and tested stuff.  His father being a preacher too is lazy I think and robs the show of some of best of the original series with Jesse's GI father.

The show's Tulip just comes across to me as another clichéd kick-ass female cipher I'm afraid. Lecturing the kids about female empowerment whilst making a bazooka out of tin cans! Sorry to be so blunt - but what a load of bollocks! The Tulip in the comic was a far more subtle portrayal of a strong female character I thought.

Cassidy lying in a crater with his guts all around him 15mins after his first appearance was too much too soon.  A bit of mystery around Cassidy and his regenerative powers would have been welcome to start off with. Also, as someone on here has already said Cassidy should appear to be more of a cool, sound bloke - so if he were to let you down or betray you it would hurt - not the rather clownish figure here.

There was a certain wild originality in the comics that made them compelling and exciting.  The show is, well... fairly entertaining but nothing out of the ordinary.     
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 03 June, 2016, 12:17:08 PM
Me and (not so) Tiny Tips right enjoyed that.

It's awhile since I read the comics (I think I sold them on to Logan!) but I liked the way they had juggled stuff about for this adaption.  Agree that Tulip was a bit crap but inventive action scenes and fights more than made up for that (something Daredevil could vary).

Looking forward to more.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 03 June, 2016, 11:20:40 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-toy-box-2/#jp-carousel-356096 (http://www.slashfilm.com/the-toy-box-2/#jp-carousel-356096)

They're quick off the mark!

(I liked this version of Tulip personally.  So far, anyway. Maybe a touch of Tank Girl about it in her acts of mindless mayhem, but, well, nowt wrong with that in my book.)
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Post by: radiator on 04 June, 2016, 02:28:20 AM
As much as I don't really understand the appeal of collecting action figures in general, I really, really don't understand the appeal of those tacky funko pop figures. They seem to be everywhere these days and I think they're absolutely ghastly looking.
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Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 04 June, 2016, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: JamesC on 27 May, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
It's been a while since I read the comics but, if they're going to include the undefeatable Saint of Killers (and it seems a shame not to), how can they stay in Annville? Aren't they on the run from him?

The Saint of Killers is in the first episode; there are fleeting coloured cuts to his face in the B&W flashbacks.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 05 June, 2016, 09:59:04 AM
Quote from: radiator on 04 June, 2016, 02:28:20 AM
As much as I don't really understand the appeal of collecting action figures in general

I agree entirely.  But I think we're in a minority on this board.

Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 04 June, 2016, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: JamesC on 27 May, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
The Saint of Killers is in the first episode; there are fleeting coloured cuts to his face in the B&W flashbacks.

Totally missed that!  I was dreading that there would be no Saint of Killers at all, which, as much as I don't mind departing from the source material, would be very silly indeed.
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Post by: auxlen on 05 June, 2016, 05:32:13 PM
'Underwhelmed' seems the best response.
Really was hoping for a belter of an ending...but ...
I did enjoy Cassidy, tho.
arse face could have been a tad more arse facey, too.

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Post by: radiator on 07 June, 2016, 06:11:40 PM
Well, I for one really enjoyed the second episode - it's even hooked in my girlfriend now (she can't stand to watch/listen to Arseface, though). Who'd have thought we'd get the [spoiler]Saint of Killers[/spoiler] origin story in the second episode?!?!?!

I've got to be honest - I'm finding the (comparatively) subtle, playful wit of the TV show far more appealing than the sledgehammer, gross-out vulgarity of the comics, and the TV show Jesse - older, more world-weary and rough around the edges - is a much more engaging, compelling character than the - lets face it - rather bland, slightly obnoxious, right about everything all the time, perfect human specimen Gary Stu he is in the comic.

While I have a few reservations - it feels like there might be a bit too much going on, plot-wise - this is shaping up to be the perfect adaptation of Preacher. Faithful where it counts, but smarter in surprising ways.

Line of the show: "Your dinner's getting cold".

Going back to the comics, I'm approaching the end of my reread now, and I must say I was probably a little harsh on it before. It definitely improves in leaps and bounds as it goes on, in both writing and art. In particular I thoroughly enjoyed the 'Salvation' arc this time around, which I always thought was a curious exercise in treading water before.

And for the people unhappy that the TV show isn't following the plot of the comics closer, it's worth remembering that the comic, when it ended, felt like a quite a different beast to those first dozen or so issues, which in retrospect feel very much like a work in progress and a story and cast of characters still finding their feet.
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Post by: radiator on 07 June, 2016, 06:20:44 PM
I feel pretty confident they'll get at least a second series. I mean, AMC keep trying to make Halt and Catch Fire happen and have renewed it for a third season, and literally no one watches or talks about that show.
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Post by: DrRocka on 07 June, 2016, 10:30:47 PM
I'm still not sold, but I thought the second episode was a HUGE improvement on the first, especially with Youknowwho at the beginning. All that's really putting me off now is Tulip - the actress playing her is great (& wow, she's a cutie), but by God I find the character SO irritating that it puts me off everything else. Guess I prefer her comic book iteration - raised by her Dad to be great with guns but hates them because of what happened to him. This one's too trigger happy (and faux sassy) for my liking.
Good to see Jesse beginning to get his arrogance though, found him to be too much of a dweeb in the first one. Gonna keep watching in the hopes that Tulip will turn into something at least resembling the character that I love.
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Post by: radiator on 07 June, 2016, 11:00:01 PM
The thing with Tulip in the comics is that you don't really get to find out anything about her (except that she's a badass) until the series is almost over. Like Jesse, she's a little bland overall as a character. I'm not blown away (ha) by the TV version of her so far (though I also like the actress a lot), but I welcome something different, and am keen to see what they do with her from here. Admittedly the 'wet' line did make me chuckle.

I'm impressed with how the TV show is handling the violence. It's splattery and they don't shy away from it, but at the same time it feels very heightened and stylised (kind of Evil Dead-like) which really takes the edge off it. Absolutely the right call as far as I'm concerned - realistic, gritty violence and gore would totally change the tone of the show.

QuoteGood to see Jesse beginning to get his arrogance though, found him to be too much of a dweeb in the first one

What's funny is that I don't think we're actually meant to find comics Jesse arrogant. I honestly think Ennis intended him to be a straight-talking personification of old-school masculinity. A little pigheaded maybe, but other than that, pretty much without flaws. That he often comes across as a judgemental, arrogant douchebag is, I think, unintentional.
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Post by: radiator on 07 June, 2016, 11:01:41 PM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 04 June, 2016, 09:49:56 AM
Quote from: JamesC on 27 May, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
It's been a while since I read the comics but, if they're going to include the undefeatable Saint of Killers (and it seems a shame not to), how can they stay in Annville? Aren't they on the run from him?

The Saint of Killers is in the first episode; there are fleeting coloured cuts to his face in the B&W flashbacks.

He was also IIRC alluded to on the label of a bottle of 'Ratwater' whiskey is Jesse's bedroom. Nice touch, I thought.
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Post by: DrRocka on 07 June, 2016, 11:48:52 PM
Totally agree with you, Radiator - in the comics it was the fact that they took some characters and then got to work developing them throughout the arc, especially in the later ones, that made me love the comics so much. Hell, I still think that, despite all the madness of the plot, it's essentially the story of three good mates finding their friendship and place in the world. I mean, the real tragedy - and genius - of Cassidy's arc in the comics is that he's under a voodoo spell that makes him behave like a prick, and yet they never find this information out!!
Far from wanting a slavish adaptation, I'm eager to a kind of "unseen further adventures" of the characters I love on tv - it's ADDING to, rather than taking away from, my love of them. I'm just not getting Tulip yet. Hopefully up the road though, like in the comics, I will. I think it's certainly worth sticking with.
Being raised in westerns myself, I really identified with comics Jesse & all his John Wayne machismo. Can't see The Duke putting an appearance in in the tv show, but hell, a man can hope...
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Post by: radiator on 08 June, 2016, 12:04:23 AM
QuoteI mean, the real tragedy - and genius - of Cassidy's arc in the comics is that he's under a voodoo spell that makes him behave like a prick

Eeeerrrm, I never read it that way at all. In fact, I think that's a misreading of the material...

QuoteHell, I still think that, despite all the madness of the plot, it's essentially the story of three good mates finding their friendship and place in the world.

Broadly agree, but as I said above, all that stuff comes really around the half way mark of the story. The characters really change drastically as they go. To my mind they're introduced as the kind of outlandish, colourful lowlife miscreants you might find in a Tarantino movie, and develop and mutate over time as Ennis strives to flesh them out and give them more dimension.

Jesse is introduced as a really smug, sleazy antihero for those first few arcs, then suddenly matures and becomes this amazing, ultimate good guy (who can beat anyone in a fight) when he is retroactively given an insanely over the top tragic upbringing backstory.

And I still think Cassidy's declaration of love for Tulip comes out of absolutely nowhere, and doesn't really ring true for the character as established up to that point. Yeah, you could say that it's an act or whatever, but the Cassidy we initially meet couldn't give a toss about all that sappy bollicks.
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Post by: DrRocka on 08 June, 2016, 12:14:49 AM
Nah, Cassidy's love for Tulip comes around the same time as its revealed that one of his exgirlfriends has been throwing darts at a picture of him, which is a spell she's got from the voodoo guy who helps Jesse and co in the graveyard issue (can't tell you which right now, I'm on my phone). After all the actions occurred and the wannabe vampire cult have been vaquished, the voodoo Guy's still throwing darts at Cassidy's picture. Apparently the outcome of this spell would be to fuck the victims life up, and its around the time he confesses his love for Tulip.
Remember how he keeps regretting it? It's like he's not in control of hisself. That's why, at the end, he needs Jesse's forgiveness - he's been trying to do the right thing since he met them, leaving the heroin behind etc, but he always ends up fucking things up. Only this time, he genuinely wants repentance, and he gets it at the very end.
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Post by: DrRocka on 08 June, 2016, 12:16:55 AM
*as shown in all the flashbacks etc though, Cassidy was of course a right prick before he hooks up with Jesse and Tulip
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Post by: DrRocka on 08 June, 2016, 12:19:28 AM
*and by "prick" I mean of course, "cool as shit immortal who does exactly what we'd love to do if we were him"
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Post by: radiator on 08 June, 2016, 03:51:46 AM
Nah, the curse specifically says 'I hope you die', and as you mention, it's established that Cassidy has left a trail of wreckage (and has a history of abusive behaviour) throughout his life, far predating his time in New Orleans.

I don't think the voodoo curse should be taken as a literal explanation/excuse for Cass - my take is that its just there to show that people hate him for what he has done.
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Post by: Theblazeuk on 08 June, 2016, 10:43:44 AM
Yeah, Cassidy keeps fucking things up because he's weak. Not because of a voodoo curse. Never heard that one before :)

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Post by: Theblazeuk on 08 June, 2016, 10:53:55 AM
Which now I read it sounds super patronising, the smile is meant to be "Look at what different interpretations we can have, ain't it grand".
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Post by: DrRocka on 08 June, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
You say potato, I say potahtoe....  ;)
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 16 June, 2016, 11:05:12 PM
Episode 3 was very boring. Lots of scenes that went nowhere and did nothing but foreshadow for fans.
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 20 June, 2016, 11:13:43 PM
Am I the only one watching? Another slow episode. This is making BETTER CALL SAUL look fast-paced.
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Post by: radiator on 20 June, 2016, 11:14:46 PM
Still need to catch up on the last two eps...
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Post by: blackmocco on 21 June, 2016, 12:22:15 AM
It's one boring fucking show. I'm done.
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Post by: radiator on 21 June, 2016, 01:42:13 AM
Really? Wow. I'm kind of dreading watching eps 3 and 4 now...  :(
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Post by: DrRocka on 21 June, 2016, 03:18:15 AM
I'm out after 3, continual bloody exposition and by God, Tulip's annoying.
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Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 21 June, 2016, 07:30:13 AM
I don't remember the comic being this slow.
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Post by: Theblazeuk on 21 June, 2016, 10:16:47 AM
Welp I had little to say about 3, will let you know when I see 4.
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Post by: Satanist on 21 June, 2016, 11:26:43 AM
If you all want an exciting, action packed show watch Banshee, its like a porn version of the A-Team. Its terrible.

I'm loving this show but then I also really like BETTER CALL SAUL.
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 21 June, 2016, 12:13:57 PM
I don't mind slow. And some of the little bits of character exposition are well done.

But Episodes 3 and 4 seem to have taken the with and inventiveness and pace that was in Episodes 1 and 2 and said "Fuck it, we don't need those".  I think it's the contrast that has got to me.
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Post by: Satanist on 21 June, 2016, 01:02:32 PM
Yeah I know what you mean but I think it would also get quite tiresome if it was crash,bang, whallop week in week out. I see the same said about GoT (what no murders this week) and with TWD (what no zombies this week).

Mind we're not even at the half way stage so I'm sure it'll ramp up again.

Also Dr-X its been a while since I read them but I remember the comic arc set in nam which runs for a good few issues and all it really tells you is where Jesses lighter came from and that Ennis really wanted to write war comics.
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Post by: Keef Monkey on 21 June, 2016, 01:53:18 PM
Episodes 3&4 have felt a little less manic but there's still some pretty big stuff going on in each episode. We're only 4 episodes in and if you think about all the elements they've introduced it's actually not moving very slowly at all. There was a line last night from Cassidy that struck me as being a nod to comic readers wanting them to get on the move ('C'mon Jesse, roadtrip! You know that's where this is going!'), but I think it's doing a good job of easing things in fairly steadily.

I've never really gotten the criticism of Better Call Saul (which I love) being slow either, I know people who complain that nothing happened in an episode because there maybe wasn't a big plot revelation or what they would class as story progression, when the sheer amount of character development that is happening in every episode of that show is pretty amazing. I guess to some folk that's a whole load of talking and 'nothing happening', but there's tons happening. When a colleague comes in the morning after an episode and complains that 'nothing happened in Better Call Saul last night' I always just wonder if they're watching the wrong show, because the minutia of the characters and interactions are what that show is all about, and if that's not floating your boat then it probably isn't the show for you. I guess Breaking Bad had more weekly shocks so perhaps that's what they're after, but BCS is a whole other beast.

Each to their own I guess (and I'm not implying that Preacher has the same level of deep dive character development as BCS, just saw that show mentioned and wanted to throw my tuppence in!).
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Post by: radiator on 21 June, 2016, 04:51:33 PM
QuoteI've never really gotten the criticism of Better Call Saul (which I love) being slow either, I know people who complain that nothing happened in an episode because there maybe wasn't a big plot revelation or what they would class as story progression, when the sheer amount of character development that is happening in every episode of that show is pretty amazing. I guess to some folk that's a whole load of talking and 'nothing happening', but there's tons happening. When a colleague comes in the morning after an episode and complains that 'nothing happened in Better Call Saul last night' I always just wonder if they're watching the wrong show, because the minutia of the characters and interactions are what that show is all about, and if that's not floating your boat then it probably isn't the show for you. I guess Breaking Bad had more weekly shocks so perhaps that's what they're after, but BCS is a whole other beast.

Ha, I remember the same being said about Mad Men week in, week out, which was always utterly baffling to me. Yeah, it rarely had big soap opera theatrics or melodrama, but there was so much 'real' drama in that show - I found every single episode absolutely gripping.

The same is also regularly said of midseason Game of Thrones episodes ("boring, slow, nothing happening...."), and it often makes me wonder if others watch the show for the same reasons I do. GoT is a show about characters first and foremost, and those big dramatic twists only have any weight because we care about them. Wall to wall spectacle would make a very dull watch indeed (for me at least).

As you say Keef, each to their own.
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Post by: Jim_Campbell on 21 June, 2016, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: radiator on 21 June, 2016, 04:51:33 PM
The same is also regularly said of midseason Game of Thrones episodes ("boring, slow, nothing happening...."), and it often makes me wonder if others watch the show for the same reasons I do. GoT is a show about characters first and foremost, and those big dramatic twists only have any weight because we care about them. Wall to wall spectacle would make a very dull watch indeed (for me at least).

Not only that, there's a usual chorus of moaning right from the start. GoT fans seem to suffer from amnesia at the start of every new season, because they're unable to recall that the awesome stuff at the back end of each season only bloody works because of the careful way the pieces are moved into place in the early episodes.

Cheers

Jim
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Post by: radiator on 21 June, 2016, 05:10:01 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 21 June, 2016, 05:04:17 PM
Quote from: radiator on 21 June, 2016, 04:51:33 PM
The same is also regularly said of midseason Game of Thrones episodes ("boring, slow, nothing happening...."), and it often makes me wonder if others watch the show for the same reasons I do. GoT is a show about characters first and foremost, and those big dramatic twists only have any weight because we care about them. Wall to wall spectacle would make a very dull watch indeed (for me at least).

Not only that, there's a usual chorus of moaning right from the start. GoT fans seem to suffer from amnesia at the start of every new season, because they're unable to recall that the awesome stuff at the back end of each season only bloody works because of the careful way the pieces are moved into place in the early episodes.

Cheers

Jim

Yup.

For all the bitching and moaning, it's remarkable when you rewatch old episodes of GoT and see that they really haven't wasted a single scene. Even the stuff that's unpopular (and I certainly don't think it's all 100% successful) - Pod's adventures with prostitutes, Grey Worm and Missandei, Ros... It's all there for a reason - it's all set up that will pay off, often years later.

Anyway, I'll leave my gushing for the GoT thread..
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 28 June, 2016, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: radiator on 07 June, 2016, 11:00:01 PM
QuoteGood to see Jesse beginning to get his arrogance though, found him to be too much of a dweeb in the first one

What's funny is that I don't think we're actually meant to find comics Jesse arrogant. I honestly think Ennis intended him to be a straight-talking personification of old-school masculinity. A little pigheaded maybe, but other than that, pretty much without flaws. That he often comes across as a judgemental, arrogant douchebag is, I think, unintentional.

True.  That was a massive issue I had with the comic (and I know I've said it many times before) - I thought Jesse was a wanker, by and large, and generally enjoyed seeing him take a whupping.
I much prefer this Jesse as a character.  He may be ruggedly handsome and hard as nails, but he's flawed and vulnerable and acknowledges his nasty streak.  The lad in the comic was so full of self-righteous, smug egotism it made me sick (though I still liked the series).
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Post by: radiator on 29 June, 2016, 01:33:00 AM
QuoteThe lad in the comic was so full of self-righteous, smug egotism

Yeah - and very clearly (I assume) a mouthpiece for Ennis' particular opinions on various subjects, from therapy to Bill Hicks to Laurel & Hardy.
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Post by: Jim_Campbell on 29 June, 2016, 07:36:25 AM
Quote from: radiator on 29 June, 2016, 01:33:00 AM
Yeah - and very clearly (I assume) a mouthpiece for Ennis' particular opinions on various subjects, from therapy to Bill Hicks to Laurel & Hardy.

This was one of the things that alienated me from Preacher, and much of his other writing from this period... the transparently obvious way Garth would drop any pretence of a character existing as an independent being, their voice would simply vanish and be replaced by Garth's.
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Post by: TordelBack on 29 June, 2016, 08:32:48 AM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 29 June, 2016, 07:36:25 AM
Quote from: radiator on 29 June, 2016, 01:33:00 AM
Yeah - and very clearly (I assume) a mouthpiece for Ennis' particular opinions on various subjects, from therapy to Bill Hicks to Laurel & Hardy.

This was one of the things that alienated me from Preacher, and much of his other writing from this period... the transparently obvious way Garth would drop any pretence of a character existing as an independent being, their voice would simply vanish and be replaced by Garth's.

Yeah, I was struck by this on my full re-read a few years back.  I've no real problem with characters as mouthpieces in general, it can be interesting to hear almost directly from a creator (see Mills and A. Grant) on subjects that interest them, but I did have a problem with the fact that Jesse and Cassidy are complete pricks - and thus it's difficult to separate Garth's thoughts on Bill Hicks from the self-righteous egotistical mouth that is spewing them.

The Laurel and Hardy sequence is a good example.  Ollie and particularly Stan were fascinating people, and their lives and how their comedy relates is a great subject for discussion and analysis, but when Jesse starts in on it all I can see is that boorish knob sitting at the bar who insists on 'his' revelatory theory being the only possible reading, to the point that you dread going back up for another round.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 29 June, 2016, 08:46:42 AM
 
Quote from: radiator on 29 June, 2016, 01:33:00 AM

Yeah - and very clearly (I assume) a mouthpiece for Ennis' particular opinions on various subjects, from therapy to Bill Hicks to Laurel & Hardy.

The therapy bit really pissed me off - 'Shrinks are for assholes'.  Shrinks are for people with psychological problems, Garth / Jesse, just like doctors are for people with physical ones. 

Jesse's smoking is handled well on the telly too.  Back when the comic was published, it was still a little bit cool to smoke, whereas now it's seen for the filthy, antisocial addiction it is.  The Jesse in the comic smokes Marlboro because he's a proud American and a cowboy, whereas the TV version smokes tabs of any description because he's fucked up and takes whatever vice is within arm's reach.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Keef Monkey on 29 June, 2016, 02:59:27 PM
I think this week's episode may have been my favourite so far, a few real laughs and the opening Saint of Killers sequence was particularly well done. I don't seem to know anyone who is watching it though which is a worry, it's not been renewed for a second season just yet and I really, really want it to be!
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 29 June, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
I think what became very clear on my recent reread is that Preacher is very much a work by a guy in his early-mid twenties, and a lot of the things Ennis is/was enamoured with - smoking for one - are very uncool now.

As I say, while I think the early issues are rough and seem very dated, it gets way better as it goes on and Ennis (mostly) stops trying so hard to be cool.

There's a line at the end where (I think) Cassidy says something to Jesse about how 'isn't it funny that things don't turn out how you expect?', and also mentions to Jesse later that Jesse's quest was more about saving Cassidy than it was about finding God.

I took this to be Ennis talking directly to the reader and basically admitting that the story evolved in the writing and what really interested him by the end was the central relationship between the three characters.

QuoteI don't seem to know anyone who is watching it though which is a worry, it's not been renewed for a second season just yet and I really, really want it to be!

Yeah. Saw this yesterday, which doesn't bode well...

http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-are-so-few-people-talking-about-the-preacher-tv-ser-1782678109?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+io9%2Ffull+%28io9%29 (http://io9.gizmodo.com/why-are-so-few-people-talking-about-the-preacher-tv-ser-1782678109?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+io9%2Ffull+%28io9%29)

However, as I said before, AMC have renewed the expensive-looking period drama Halt and Catch Fire for three seasons now, and are obviously determined to turn it into the new Mad Men, despite the fact that no one seems to watch or talk about it.
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Post by: The Monarch on 29 June, 2016, 08:20:01 PM
Worry not not only is it getting a second series its expanded to 13 episodes

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/amc-renews-preacher-for-season-2/pageno=?utm_campaign=amc-renews-preacher-for-season-2&utm_medium=internal_links&utm_source=breaking_banner
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 29 June, 2016, 09:32:15 PM
Nice!

I remember reading somewhere that overnight ratings are increasingly irrelevant in the streaming age, and TV networks are far more reluctant to cancel a show they believe in and have invested a lot in right out of the gate if it doesn't take off and get great ratings straight away, believing that if a show is high quality, then modern delivery platforms will allow it to grow an audience over time. I understand that HBO deeply regrets prematurely cancelling Deadwood for this reason, and did not take the decision to cancel Vinyl lightly.

Breaking Bad is the very model of how a show can gradually grow an audience season on season and eventually slow burn its way to enormous success and awards prestige).
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 15 July, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
Is anyone still watching this?  I'm still enjoying it, despite a couple of utterly non-eventful episodes.  I hope they leave Annville soon though. (Unless they have - I haven't seen the latest episode yet.)
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Mikey on 18 July, 2016, 04:18:38 PM
Yeah, just got up to speed over the weekend there after taking a break after Eps 3 and 4. I see others got the same feeling about those as I did (plus I had series 6 of GoT to watch)

Overall I'm enjoying it. Took me a while to warm to Jesse but he's getting there, think Cassidy is good and I really like Tulip though in my mind she was never so immediately  'sassy'. It's yet to hit the chemistry between the main characters that I fondly remember, but hopefully it'll get there in time. It's getting progressively darker at any rate, and I'm loving the Saint of Killers bits! Wish they were in every episode. I keep thinking if you hadn't read the comics it'd be a bit confusing - that brief appearance so far of Herr Stark fir example. If I didn't already know the significance I'd have forgotten it by now I reckon.

Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 29 June, 2016, 08:46:42 AM

The therapy bit really pissed me off - 'Shrinks are for assholes'.  Shrinks are for people with psychological problems, Garth / Jesse, just like doctors are for people with physical ones. 

See, to me Jesse would say that being ultimately all Alpha Texas male. But I've never re read the comics and didn't get taken out of the story by such things at the time.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 18 July, 2016, 05:30:28 PM
QuoteSee, to me Jesse would say that being ultimately all Alpha Texas male. But I've never re read the comics and didn't get taken out of the story by such things at the time.

Perhaps, but as I say, to me it very much seems like Ennis frames Jesse and Cassidy's rants in a very 'righteous' way, as if they are spouting Bill Hicks style 'truth', and Ennis is literally just using them as a platform to sound off on certain subjects. I honestly don't think we're supposed to read into them any deeper than that. Could be wrong, but that's how I've always taken it.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Mikey on 18 July, 2016, 06:17:28 PM
 Oh aye, I'm not saying I'm necessarily in the right. The last issue of Preacher was out around my 25th birthday, so I was probably not really aware of the mouthpiece aspects that turned others away.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 July, 2016, 06:41:38 PM
Since discovering I'd accidentally paid for a whole year Amazon Prime back in February, I've been catching up on this. Overall I'd say I'm enjoying it, but I'd probably enjoy it more if I hadn't read the comics because I get irritated by just how many fundamental changes have been made to the characters and their relationships, not to mention the story; and also just how toned down they've had to make it.

When we first meet Tulip in the comics, she's a wild but scared woman who can barely even hold a gun. In this one, she's a murdering bad-ass super-thief who can whip up a bazooka from tin-cans, moonshine and toy soldiers. The love affair between her and Jesse is one of the unshakeable rocks of the story - he only leaves her to protect her from the evil family, and she only sleeps with Cassidy when she thinks he's dead. This Tulip is an entirely different character with a fundamentally different relationship to the other leads. Making Jesse's dad a preacher too is quite a big shift in one of Jesse's most important relationships.

Many of the supporting characters have been made more normal and just less weird or evil - Sheriff Root, arseface, Odin Quincannon and so on. I think this is a result of having to put everybody together in a small town, rather than the sprawling road movie of the comics. In a road movie, the protagonists meet exaggerated characters and bizarre situations, but to make them all believable as a small-town community. all the interesting edges have been knocked off.

A few things I things I really did like - Both Jesse and Cassidy look and sound right; the background gag [spoiler]"Tom Cruise explodes"[/spoiler] made me guffaw, and I did enjoy the [spoiler]multi-corpse angelic motel punch up, and those two angels generally[/spoiler].

So overall, it's a good thing if taken on it's own merits, but it's not the Preacher I know and love.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Dandontdare on 19 July, 2016, 06:51:28 PM
apologies for double post....

The Guardian seem to be writing reams of stuff on Preacher - this is the latest: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2016/jul/18/the-problem-with-preacher-why-no-ones-talking-about-the-best-show-of-the-year (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2016/jul/18/the-problem-with-preacher-why-no-ones-talking-about-the-best-show-of-the-year)

They're also running an episode-by-episode blog review.

Ep8 was released yesterday - not sure I liked this one, it seemed a bit off in the pacing and didn't really advance things much.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 19 July, 2016, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: radiator on 18 July, 2016, 05:30:28 PM
QuoteSee, to me Jesse would say that being ultimately all Alpha Texas male. But I've never re read the comics and didn't get taken out of the story by such things at the time.

Perhaps, but as I say, to me it very much seems like Ennis frames Jesse and Cassidy's rants in a very 'righteous' way, as if they are spouting Bill Hicks style 'truth', and Ennis is literally just using them as a platform to sound off on certain subjects. I honestly don't think we're supposed to read into them any deeper than that. Could be wrong, but that's how I've always taken it.

I completely agree, sadly.  Garth was a young guy at the time, and it often shows.

Herr Starr was in the series?  I missed that!  I must say I really like Eugene Root so far; he hasn't quite got the cheery optimism of the Arseface of the comics, but he's just as endearingly sweet.  Also I love hearing Americans saying 'Arseface' (though I don't think he's actually been explicitly called that so far?).

  Cassidy, despite the accent (Irish maybe; Dublin most definitely not), is growing on me - he looks and acts like Cassidy, even in interviews.  I really hope his origin story is the same - I must admit I really enjoyed the utter destruction of Irish sacred cows in the comics.  And in the latest episode, someone [spoiler]gets his dick shot off[/spoiler]!  That was genuinely funny, and now we're in proper Ennis territory - hopefully they don't make it happen all the time, like Garth did.  Next up - comedy anal rape!

Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Keef Monkey on 26 July, 2016, 01:45:59 PM
After last week's episode (the church siege) not really clicking with me for whatever reason (think it might have been the pacing or the tone just not hitting home for me, and the [spoiler]'Arseface as an imaginary friend' angle seemed really unnecessary'[/spoiler]) this week's has some great stuff. The way they've seeded the Saint of Killers' backstory into the series as it's gone on has been a really smart move (and it's a really nice touch that [spoiler]what seem like disconnected flashbacks to your average viewer are actually occurring at that moment, in his hell-loop[/spoiler]). If they'd just given over an episode to it it would have stalled the momentum for people just wanting to see more Jesse and Cassidy (Tulip doesn't seem to have had as much of a chance to impress, actress is great but she just isn't getting the fun material seemingly), but the way it's been drip-fed has been great and now he can step into things as a fully fledged character instead of just an anonymous threat (even if they did labor the [spoiler]'loop' point a bit, maybe they had some padding to do this week[/spoiler]?!)

Seems to have gone really quickly, all over next week.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Satanist on 26 July, 2016, 02:44:43 PM
Yeah I really enjoyed this weeks and agree it stumbled last week. Liked the looping part as well hammering home where he was and what was happening. I hope to see 40% of the series budget on screen next week.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: auxlen on 26 July, 2016, 04:36:21 PM
A success mark I employ in our homestead is when the Mrs asks me if new episodes are up....this has not happened once with Preacher (even though she enjoyed the first 2 episodes)...

And to be honest I wasn't asking either.....
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Woolly on 26 July, 2016, 06:44:16 PM
I've given up on this, last episode I watched was the one before the siege.
Finding it way too slow, with character motivations too far removed from the comic. Shame, as the first two episodes were fantastic.

Still keeping an eye on the thread though, in case it gets better*



*Preacher, not the thread...
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 26 July, 2016, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Satanist on 26 July, 2016, 02:44:43 PM
I hope to see 40% of the series budget on screen next week.

This. When? I remember it being a lot more... well, fantastic... in the comic. This looks like cheap rubbish recycling the same few sets. Because it is.

Maybe some success will bring an FX budget? 'cos this makes Dr Who look extravagent.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Keef Monkey on 27 July, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 26 July, 2016, 09:26:54 PM
Quote from: Satanist on 26 July, 2016, 02:44:43 PM
I hope to see 40% of the series budget on screen next week.

This. When? I remember it being a lot more... well, fantastic... in the comic. This looks like cheap rubbish recycling the same few sets. Because it is.

Maybe some success will bring an FX budget? 'cos this makes Dr Who look extravagent.

Really? I don't know much about telly budgets but to me it looks very expensive, particularly in the staging and choreography of some of the fights which I reckon are a cut above a lot of TV scraps (the 'regenerating' fight in the motel room, the chainsaw fight in the church, Cassidy's whole scrap in the airplane and the bar fight, the massacre in Ratwater etc.)

Seems to me like they're doing the smart thing and picking their battles, pouring the money into the moments that need it. It does mean there are some episodes without any notably big effects moments I suppose, but that's telly. I remember reading somewhere that the budget for the last 3 episodes of Ash vs Evil Dead was about the same as the budget for the first 7, because those were the episodes where it would be most felt. I thought that really paid off, because those last three episodes were as close to Evil Dead 4 as I could ever have hoped, even if the trade-off was some less over the top episodes around the middle.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Theblazeuk on 27 July, 2016, 11:53:26 AM
I never really felt the lack of budget on Evil Dead as it was always god damn groovy.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 01 August, 2016, 09:13:51 PM
Just watched the last episode - the action picked up considerably and it looks like we're pretty much exactly where the comic starts.  It's a bit odd to think [spoiler]that pretty much everyone mortal except Jesse, Tulip, Cass and presumeably Arseface are already gone;[/spoiler] and to be honest makes me wonder how much of the first series was absolutely necessary for driving the plot forward.
So far I've found it entertaining if not exactly essential viewing - maybe I'm just spoiled these days by the meticulously tight plotting of the likes of Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. We're truly in a golden age of TV.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 01 August, 2016, 10:45:07 PM
Well, I stuck with it. And, on balance, am glad that I did.

I get the feeling the whole series was based on establishing a premise while allowing for an ending that would be self-contained (ish) in case it wasn't renewed.

[spoiler]"God"[/spoiler] was handled very well, I thought.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 02 August, 2016, 02:40:44 AM
I'm only up to episode 5, but to me Preacher definitely looks like a very lavish production - and I speak as someone who has a hard time watching most genre TV shows (The Flash, Constantine, Supergirl) because of how cheap and tacky they tend to look.

Yeah, the locations are somewhat limited, but it's not really affecting my enjoyment so far.

As for the show itself (I gather that episodes 3 and 4 were the least popular/deemed 'slowest' or most boring?), it's certainly a mixed bag (the tone and plotting seems rather uneven), but I'm still enjoying it well enough.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Satanist on 02 August, 2016, 10:00:30 AM
Thought the last ep was great. Actual lolled about 4 times and it felt a lot more like the comics in tone than previous episodes. I read that they consider this as a prequel to the main event and in that respect it worked out well as not every viewer is familiar with the characters.

Looking forward to seeing Herr Starr in action in season 2.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Tiplodocus on 04 August, 2016, 12:53:20 PM
Well it ends in a literal shitstorm so that reminded me of the comics.

Overall a grudging thumbs up (and a lot is to do with good will generated by genre trappings, source material and a good opening couple of episodes) e and Tiny Tips reckon they could have done that set up in 3 maybe 4 episodes.

Why spend all that time on characters of you aren't going to use them. 

It's an inferior product to lots of stuff around st the mo: compare the great integration of John De Lancie's character in Breaking Bad's narrative and gradual decoding of disparate images in Season 2 with the chap tapping the pressure gauge in this.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: The Monarch on 04 August, 2016, 03:11:19 PM
i liked it while some may think spending time on those characters was pointless considering how it ended I like to see it as a genuine shock ending because we spent so much time on them
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Steve Green on 04 August, 2016, 03:30:41 PM
I quite enjoyed it - [spoiler]I guess Arseface has taken the John Wayne vision role - I wasn't sure about shifting him to be murderous rather than just the one who survived a suicide pact, and Jesse apparently killing that cop/security guard in the flashback.

Glad they're actually on the road now[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 04 August, 2016, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 August, 2016, 03:30:41 PM[spoiler]and Jesse apparently killing that cop/security guard in the flashback.
[/spoiler]

At least he's supposed to have been a bit of a bastard in the programme.  Garth Ennis had a flashback of a teenage (?) Jesse 'heroically' [spoiler]murdering slaughterhouse workers in droves to save horses' lives[/spoiler] (despite having earlier said that he'd never killed anyone ever before Cassidy's psychotic mate).

Arseface's father isn't half the bastard he is in the comics, on the other hand. Well, [spoiler]wasn't[/spoiler], at least.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 04 August, 2016, 10:03:48 PM
I prefer the way Jesse is characterised in the show, and find him to be a more interesting character.

As I said before, he really isn't fully formed in the comic when it begins. He starts out as kind of a smarmy sleazeball lowlife in the first few issues, then after his insanely overegged tragic backstory is revealed in flashback, he suddenly morphs into the perfect human specimen who is also the greatest fighter in the world who is always right about everything and whose only fault is that he's too noble and proud to let his girlfriend endanger herself.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 04 August, 2016, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: radiator on 04 August, 2016, 10:03:48 PM
I prefer the way Jesse is characterised in the show, and find him to be a more interesting character.

As I said before, he really isn't fully formed in the comic when it begins. He starts out as kind of a smarmy sleazeball lowlife in the first few issues, then after his insanely overegged tragic backstory is revealed in flashback, he suddenly morphs into the perfect human specimen who is also the greatest fighter in the world who is always right about everything and whose only fault is that he's too noble and proud to let his girlfriend endanger herself.

This. So very this.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Steve Green on 04 August, 2016, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 August, 2016, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 August, 2016, 03:30:41 PM[spoiler]and Jesse apparently killing that cop/security guard in the flashback.
[/spoiler]

At least he's supposed to have been a bit of a bastard in the programme.  Garth Ennis had a flashback of a teenage (?) Jesse 'heroically' [spoiler]murdering slaughterhouse workers in droves to save horses' lives[/spoiler] (despite having earlier said that he'd never killed anyone ever before Cassidy's psychotic mate).

Arseface's father isn't half the bastard he is in the comics, on the other hand. Well, [spoiler]wasn't[/spoiler], at least.

[spoiler]I was expecting Hugo to become less sympathetic, I guess he changed a little - but far away from the racist arsehole of the comic.

Regarding Jesse/Tall in the Saddle - I'm not sure if it was quite that clear-cut - I have it to hand - the texas ranger kills a couple, Jesse kills the one who blew Bobby's head off with a shotgun, Langtry gets his head stamped in from a horse ridden by Jesse - the Vichy hanging is the most cold-blooded murder, in that he's not in any danger.

So I wouldn't say it's droves of slaughterhouse workers.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 04 August, 2016, 10:42:28 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 August, 2016, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 August, 2016, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 August, 2016, 03:30:41 PM[spoiler]and Jesse apparently killing that cop/security guard in the flashback.
[/spoiler]

At least he's supposed to have been a bit of a bastard in the programme.  Garth Ennis had a flashback of a teenage (?) Jesse 'heroically' [spoiler]murdering slaughterhouse workers in droves to save horses' lives[/spoiler] (despite having earlier said that he'd never killed anyone ever before Cassidy's psychotic mate).

Arseface's father isn't half the bastard he is in the comics, on the other hand. Well, [spoiler]wasn't[/spoiler], at least.

[spoiler]I was expecting Hugo to become less sympathetic, I guess he changed a little - but far away from the racist arsehole of the comic.

Regarding Jesse/Tall in the Saddle - I'm not sure if it was quite that clear-cut - I have it to hand - the texas ranger kills a couple, Jesse kills the one who blew Bobby's head off with a shotgun, Langtry gets his head stamped in from a horse ridden by Jesse - the Vichy hanging is the most cold-blooded murder, in that he's not in any danger.

So I wouldn't say it's droves of slaughterhouse workers.[/spoiler]

Fair enough; my memory has failed me.  Happens more and more these days...
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: shaolin_monkey on 05 August, 2016, 08:00:28 AM
I'm glad I gave up on the comics after about four graphic novels worth.  I love Steve Dillon's art, but just didn't really got on much with the characters or story.  Also, I read it such a long time ago I've forgotten most of it.

That means I went into this series with only the vaguest impressions of the original media, and I think I was the better for it.  I absolutely love this show, and my partner is also very enamoured by it.  We were both in stitches from laughing during [spoiler]that fight scene in the motel with the angels constantly reincarnating over and over. The payoff when the fight is over, the room littered with dismembered avatars, was just brilliant[/spoiler].  That's some of the funniest stuff on TV ever.

The whole show is littered with stuff like that, and the script was often very dry, droll, with throwaway one-liners and just generally witty stuff. 

Very entertaining indeed, and I look forward to the next series.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Steve Green on 05 August, 2016, 09:53:11 AM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 August, 2016, 10:42:28 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 August, 2016, 10:22:37 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 August, 2016, 09:53:33 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 04 August, 2016, 03:30:41 PM[spoiler]and Jesse apparently killing that cop/security guard in the flashback.
[/spoiler]

At least he's supposed to have been a bit of a bastard in the programme.  Garth Ennis had a flashback of a teenage (?) Jesse 'heroically' [spoiler]murdering slaughterhouse workers in droves to save horses' lives[/spoiler] (despite having earlier said that he'd never killed anyone ever before Cassidy's psychotic mate).

Arseface's father isn't half the bastard he is in the comics, on the other hand. Well, [spoiler]wasn't[/spoiler], at least.

[spoiler]I was expecting Hugo to become less sympathetic, I guess he changed a little - but far away from the racist arsehole of the comic.

Regarding Jesse/Tall in the Saddle - I'm not sure if it was quite that clear-cut - I have it to hand - the texas ranger kills a couple, Jesse kills the one who blew Bobby's head off with a shotgun, Langtry gets his head stamped in from a horse ridden by Jesse - the Vichy hanging is the most cold-blooded murder, in that he's not in any danger.

So I wouldn't say it's droves of slaughterhouse workers.[/spoiler]

Fair enough; my memory has failed me.  Happens more and more these days...

heh, I wouldn't have remembered if it wasn't floating around - all the others are packed away.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 13 June, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
I know the trailer for season 2 uses the same tecniques as Suicide Squad but it's a damn fine 30 seconds.
Cant wait for June 26th and a season of adapting the comic book as we know and love it.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Keef Monkey on 28 June, 2017, 04:00:34 PM
Season 2 has started up on Amazon now (new episodes every Tuesday). Haven't had a chance to watch the new one yet though!
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: radiator on 29 June, 2017, 03:21:12 AM
I feel very conflicted about Preacher, and still haven't finished season 1 yet...

I thought it started very strong and I really want it to be good - I love the cast and there are flashes of demented brilliance throughout, but.... to say it's first season was 'uneven' is putting it mildly.

I'm prepared to give season 2 a chance. The trailers look pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Mattofthespurs on 29 June, 2017, 07:59:00 AM
I have watched the first two episodes of season 2 and it's a step up from season 1.
A pretty big step up imo.
I loved both episodes.
Big thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: DrRocka on 05 July, 2017, 02:37:19 AM
Just realised all my review posts have been a bit negative lately, so I'd like to redeem myself by saying that I've seen the first three episodes of Preacher Season 2, and sweet drokk, is it a HUGE step up or what? I found the first series massively underwhelming , as a big fan of the comic, but hell, season 2 is way more where it's at.
Looking forward to each new episode now. Keep it up, folks, great viewing.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Keef Monkey on 05 July, 2017, 09:21:33 AM
Yeah, I enjoyed season 1 but is does now feel like its main purpose was getting a load of stuff out the way so that season 2 could hit the ground running with all the madness and energy of the comics. Have watched the first 2 episodes and they're fantastic, episode 3 tonight!
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Tiplodocus on 05 July, 2017, 05:47:02 PM
Quote from: Keef Monkey on 05 July, 2017, 09:21:33 AM
Yeah, I enjoyed season 1 but is does now feel like its main purpose was getting a load of stuff out the way so that season 2 could hit the ground running with all the madness and energy of the comics. Have watched the first 2 episodes and they're fantastic, episode 3 tonight!

I can't imagine how many writers are crying at the thought of being allowed 10 hours of set up.
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: Keef Monkey on 06 July, 2017, 09:31:17 AM
Interestingly though, I do think season 1 did a great job because it only now feels like set-up in retrospect. At the time it seemed that the whole Anville thing was the show, and each season would be Jesse dealing with all the characters in the town, figuring out his power and fending off bad sorts who show up, and that'd be enough premise to carry most other shows. If you'd never read the comics and were coming to the show fresh I definitely think you'd assume that was the way things were going to go.

Wiping the slate clean more or less and blasting off season 2 with the road trip feels pretty bold and exciting, and you've got the benifit that you're setting off with characters that you now know and can fully enjoy hitting the road with, and some of the wackier ideas now don't seem so wacky so they can really go all-out on that front.

Episode 3 was another corker!
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: zombemybabynow on 06 July, 2017, 09:46:07 AM
Season 2 kicking arse - great tv series
Title: Re: Preacher (TV Series)...
Post by: JLC on 07 July, 2017, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from: zombemybabynow on 06 July, 2017, 09:46:07 AM
Season 2 kicking arse - great tv series
Really? I gave up halfway through S1
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Post by: zombemybabynow on 07 July, 2017, 12:22:13 PM
If you're looking for a great series to watch then?  Try Chance [hugh laurie] dark & paranoid - really immerses you
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Post by: Theblazeuk on 07 July, 2017, 04:18:13 PM
Series 1 was a slog but series 2 is, by dint of the first episode, far more interesting.
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Post by: DrRocka on 07 July, 2017, 10:14:54 PM
I absolutely hated the first series, but this one's much more in line with the comic.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 12 July, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Not too shabby at all, Season 2. The Saint of Killers is just perfect, and [spoiler]Herr Star[/spoiler] looks pretty much spot on.

I still prefer this flawed Jesse to the gobshite in the comics.  As for Cassidy's accent, well, I'm trying to get past it, i really am, and I know it's not that important, but that's pretty much my accent he's trying, and he's not succeeding.
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Post by: Theblazeuk on 13 July, 2017, 11:20:18 AM
I keep forgetting he's supposed to be Oirish.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 13 July, 2017, 02:11:49 PM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 13 July, 2017, 11:20:18 AM
I keep forgetting he's supposed to be Oirish.

The thing is, in all other respects Joe Gilgun is the PERFECT pick for our Cass. He looks like him and acts like him; he's twitchy, wiry, eccentric and more or less the same age as (TV) Jesse.  Like i say, Oi'm troying ta muhv pesht det bloody Darby O'Gill eckshent.

Wonder if it grates on Ruth Negga's ears as much? She may be Posh Dublin but i bet she could give him a few lessons in Dublinese.
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 23 July, 2017, 09:09:23 AM
What have they done to the pacing? Two episodes in and it's the equivalent of six episodes of Season 1.

Much more fun. I find myself actually laughing at stuff as opposed to thinking "I should laugh at that."
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Post by: Steve Green on 23 July, 2017, 10:06:59 AM
Apparently it slows right down again in the middle.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 28 July, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
I'm enjoying this more and more as the weeks go on.  The Saint of Killers is just mindblowingly perfect, and it was great to see the artwork of the comics make an appearance. One thing though, why is the Saint of Killers so famous? Unlike the comic version, it's not like he's been around since his original vengeance-fuelled massacre. And why is he called the Saint of Killers? In the comic, that is his job, as given to him by Satan, if I recall correctly. Here it seems to be an unexplained nickname.

Anyway, I'm very much liking Arseface's new reason to hate Jesse, and the hints at future appearances of both the Grail and the dodgier side of Jesse's family. Tulip is becoming more human and relatable, and Dennis's identity was a very nice little twist  (and I can't help thinking Garth Ennis missed a trick there). No sign of the [spoiler]John-Wayne-shaped spirit guide[/spoiler] but it's worth it for the way less smug and self-righteous Jesse.

So, rubbish accent aside, I'm hooked and think I may even prefer it to the comics.

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Post by: Woolly on 31 July, 2017, 11:01:31 AM
Well, after giving up on series 1, I thought I'd give series 2 a try...

The Saint of Killers is spot on, but his fumbled back-story is pissing me off.
As is the drawn out introduction of the Grail and Herr Starr.
As is the slow nature of the whole production.

I'm glad that Jesse isn't coming across as a machismo fuelled prick, but we're losing Tulip's reactions to this as a result. Some of her best bits in the comics are when she refuses to stand for Jesse's bullshit, and Cassidy's bullshit for that matter, then wades in to save the pair of them.
And Tulip letting Cassidy [spoiler]fuck her[/spoiler] in the first series was offensively wrong.

Ruth Negga is superb in the role, as are the rest of the cast (especially McTavish), but the writing and the changes are really putting me off.

Nah, giving up again. Not for me, this one.
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Post by: JLC on 31 July, 2017, 09:58:45 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 31 July, 2017, 11:01:31 AM
Well, after giving up on series 1, I thought I'd give series 2 a try...

The Saint of Killers is spot on, but his fumbled back-story is pissing me off.
As is the drawn out introduction of the Grail and Herr Starr.
As is the slow nature of the whole production.

I'm glad that Jesse isn't coming across as a machismo fuelled prick, but we're losing Tulip's reactions to this as a result. Some of her best bits in the comics are when she refuses to stand for Jesse's bullshit, and Cassidy's bullshit for that matter, then wades in to save the pair of them.
And Tulip letting Cassidy [spoiler]fuck her[/spoiler] in the first series was offensively wrong.

Ruth Negga is superb in the role, as are the rest of the cast (especially McTavish), but the writing and the changes are really putting me off.

Nah, giving up again. Not for me, this one.
I gave up on S1 as well due to the S-L-O-W pace. From your response it doesn't seem to have improved.
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Post by: Woolly on 02 August, 2017, 07:10:07 PM
Well, I watched episode 7 after saying I was done with it*... fantastic episode!
If only the rest could be this well paced and written.
Finally get [spoiler]a Herr Starr and the Grail episode, and some Jesse/Tulip/Cassidy shenanigans that keep with the spirit of the comic.[/spoiler] And the casting is once again spot-on.

Not happy with the omission of [spoiler]D'Aronique and the connections to Jesse's past[/spoiler], but then I'm an unapologetic Preacher fan-boy.

Still not sold on this overall, but this episode has made me finally look on the TV series in a different light.
Either that or I'm just drunk  ;)

*Figured if I'm paying for Amazon Prime, I may as well use it!
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Post by: radiator on 02 August, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 02 August, 2017, 07:10:07 PM
Not happy with the omission of [spoiler]D'Aronique and the connections to Jesse's past[/spoiler], but then I'm an unapologetic Preacher fan-boy.

See, that connection always jumped out as really contrived and unnecessary to me in the comics.
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 03 August, 2017, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 02 August, 2017, 07:10:07 PMAnd the casting is once again spot-on.

It was impressive, wasn't it?  That's even more Herr Starr than the Saint is the Saint.  Also the most Preacherish episode yet.
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Post by: Woolly on 03 August, 2017, 06:24:14 PM
Quote from: radiator on 02 August, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 02 August, 2017, 07:10:07 PM
Not happy with the omission of [spoiler]D'Aronique and the connections to Jesse's past[/spoiler], but then I'm an unapologetic Preacher fan-boy.

See, that connection always jumped out as really contrived and unnecessary to me in the comics.

See, I do agree with you, but was hoping the TV series would take these elements and make more of them. To just excise them feels a bit wrong.

But then, unapologetic fan-boy, etc...  ;)


Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 03 August, 2017, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 02 August, 2017, 07:10:07 PMAnd the casting is once again spot-on.

It was impressive, wasn't it?  That's even more Herr Starr than the Saint is the Saint.  Also the most Preacherish episode yet.

The writing for the Herr Starr scenes was also fantastic. Still felt like it was straight from the comic somehow, whilst being entirely new.
These changes I can accept, as they're done so well.
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Post by: Theblazeuk on 04 August, 2017, 04:16:07 PM
Herr Starr is even more OTT than the comic book version. I guess they are removing the wee bit of pathos he had in his backstory ("This is not the way the world should be").
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Post by: radiator on 04 August, 2017, 04:22:28 PM
Haven't seen any of s2 yet, but on reflection, the Herr Starr special is one of the bits that stands up best from of the comics. Great ending.
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Post by: The Legendary Shark on 04 August, 2017, 07:49:23 PM
Never read the comics but I'm loving this.
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Post by: sheridan on 07 August, 2017, 11:03:49 PM
Quote from: The Legendary Shark on 04 August, 2017, 07:49:23 PM
Never read the comics but I'm loving this.
The only bits of the comics I read were the bits that were reprinted in the Meg - also loving the TV series.
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Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 August, 2017, 01:40:44 PM
Not seen this week's episode yet but overall the missus, my 13 year old bot, and I are loving it.
My boy has even borrowed my first TPB to read.
Thought the 'soul' episode was rather contrived but that was on reflection a few days later. Loved it at the time.
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Post by: Rara Avis on 09 August, 2017, 04:06:44 PM
I haven't read the novels but I am watching the show. The first season was incredible and the second is shaping up to go the same way.

However I am a tad disappointed that [spoiler]the Saint of Killers has been dispatched so quickly and so easily after being built up so much[/spoiler]. I'm going to assume that that story arc is not not complete and will await [spoiler]his return[/spoiler] with as much patience as I can muster.
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Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 August, 2017, 04:08:45 PM
I imagine he will be back.
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Post by: Rara Avis on 09 August, 2017, 04:15:34 PM
I really hope so because he really is an incredible character and didn't deserve that ignominious [spoiler][spoiler]end[/spoiler][/spoiler].
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Post by: Woolly on 12 September, 2017, 08:37:40 PM
Well, that's episode 13 watched and the series done with.

Overall I'd say it was an OK series of something very loosely based on Preacher, but a bad series of Preacher.
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Post by: DrRocka on 13 September, 2017, 10:58:51 AM
What Wooly said ^ and that's being generous. My non comic reading friends have been loving it, but after last nights episode, I'm out for good. I think it's because I keep expecting it to hit one or two beats from the comic, and it steadfastly refuses to do so, preferring to waste time with interminable dream sequences (the LAZIEST form of padding out an episode), and pointless subplots. Ah well, I've still got me comics. And I kinda like the Lethal Weapon tv show.
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Post by: Proudhuff on 20 September, 2017, 07:20:19 PM
Indulge my laziness... where's this showing?
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Post by: Proudhuff on 20 September, 2017, 07:20:34 PM
Series two that is....
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Post by: The Enigmatic Dr X on 20 September, 2017, 07:36:14 PM
Amazon Prime exclusive, Huff.
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 09 March, 2018, 12:00:08 AM
Just got t the end of Season 2.

I should have bailed earlier. Despite a couple of cracking episodes it is tedious stuff with gross misrepresentations of the key characters.
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Post by: radiator on 09 March, 2018, 03:21:02 AM
I had high hopes as I like the cast and I thought the pilot was really promising, but it's just not very good, is it? I watched almost to the end of season 1, but the show just felt turgid and really quite boring, and it really struggled to find a consistent tone.

Surprised it's been renewed for a third season, tbh.
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Post by: Mattofthespurs on 09 March, 2018, 07:42:49 AM
The second season is much, much stronger and starts to go somewhere where I thought the first season spent too long introducing characters at the expense of the story.

If you watch the first 2 episodes of the second season and still don't like it then yes, it's not for you.
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Post by: DrRocka on 09 March, 2018, 07:55:10 AM
The second season started with a couple of crackers and had an absolutely fantastic one with Herr Starr, then proceeded to blow it by having a run right til the end that was simply dull. How the hell d'you make a tv show based on PREACHER that's DULL?

That said, my mates who've never read the comic seem to all love it, so maybe it's just those of us that love the comic feel a bit cheated? I know I'd have enjoyed the show more if they hadn't made Jesse into an insufferable prick. And actually included Tulip in it somewhere.
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Post by: Theblazeuk on 09 March, 2018, 09:55:08 AM
I think you'll find Jessie was always an insufferable prick (but Tordel's critique of Preacher is much better than anything I could write). Preacher has its moments but always slows right down as it starts to get sufficiently gonzo.
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 09 March, 2018, 12:05:07 PM
Quote from: Mattofthespurs on 09 March, 2018, 07:42:49 AM
The second season is much, much stronger and starts to go somewhere where I thought the first season spent too long introducing characters at the expense of the story.

If you watch the first 2 episodes of the second season and still don't like it then yes, it's not for you.

I really liked the opening of Season 2. In fact I can probably be found singing it's praises on the box set addiction thread. But it just ground to a halt and became a slog to get through.

And I finished Smallville!
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Post by: The Monarch on 09 March, 2018, 01:18:25 PM
i like the tv show version of herr starr but err thats about it
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Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 03 April, 2018, 10:32:05 AM
Quote from: Theblazeuk on 09 March, 2018, 09:55:08 AM
I think you'll find Jessie was always an insufferable prick

What he said. In fact I prefer the TV version; at least the writers don't try to talk him up as if the sun shines out of his macho Texan arse.
But in any case, I gave up on the series months ago. It was going nowhere.
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Post by: Rara Avis on 05 April, 2018, 06:14:47 PM
I'm going to have to watch all this again at some point. I can't even remember what happened in the season finale ... maybe I didn't watch it ...

Re: Cassidy's accent, ok so I am actually Irish and thought Joe Gilgun was an Irish actor. It sounds (to me) like his one of his parents is from Mayo and the other one is from Dublin.

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Post by: Toni Scandella on 01 April, 2019, 01:41:49 AM
I was of the opinion the show was a bit flat, but I am finally watching season 3, after s2 was such a mess, and, man. Its suddenly great.
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Post by: Richard on 01 April, 2019, 01:32:58 PM
I gave up on series two and couldn't finish it. It started well, and the Vegas episode was brilliant, and I like Herr Starr, and the bit when the Saint of Killers massacres all the cops. And Cassidy is exactly the way he should be. But even all that couldn't salvage it. They just got stuck in a rut, hanging out in New Orleans not doing anything.

I think the problem is that the writers think they can do a better job than Garth Ennis did on writing the comic. Instead of just following the plot of the comic, they just went off and did their own thing, which would be okay if they were as talented as the people who write Better Call Saul or something, but they're not. And they have loosely based the first two series in what I consider to be the two least interesting stories from the comic. Series 1 was based on the Quincannon meat factory episodes, and series 2 is based on the New Orleans episodes, but without the gang of vampire wannabes. Series 1 is also all about Jesse when he was still a preacher (for no better reason than Preacher is the name of the series apparently), and who wants to see that?

It's just such a wasted opportunity. It could have been fantastic.

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Post by: Proudhuff on 02 April, 2019, 04:31:57 PM
I never read the comic, so have enjoyed the series, all three, nicely different to the majority of guff out there on Prime/Netflix.
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 02 April, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
Just for reference... what other TV shows have you found not boring. Because, like, 70% of this one seems to be dull. And not just compared to the comic.
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Post by: radiator on 09 April, 2019, 06:26:22 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/amcs-preacher-will-end-after-its-upcoming-fourth-season-1833890670 (https://io9.gizmodo.com/amcs-preacher-will-end-after-its-upcoming-fourth-season-1833890670)

Next series will be the last, apparently. Kind of amazed it lasted this long tbh.
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Post by: Richard on 09 April, 2019, 10:33:16 PM
Well what a waste! You can't do justice to this story in only three seasons, and the story has barely even started, and it's about to end. Almost nothing happened in the first two series. If it wasn't for Herr Starr, and a couple of exceptional episodes, I would have have said it would have better if it had never been made.
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Post by: Proudhuff on 11 April, 2019, 11:56:28 AM
Quote from: Tiplodocus on 02 April, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
Just for reference... what other TV shows have you found not boring. Because, like, 70% of this one seems to be dull. And not just compared to the comic.

Bosch, American Gods, Vikings...
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Post by: Tiplodocus on 14 April, 2019, 11:00:40 PM
I only got three episodes into American Gods before bailingbecause it was too slow. Not seen Vikings. But Bosch I like.
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Post by: Jim_Campbell on 14 April, 2019, 11:22:44 PM
I have been very, VERY negative about S1 of American Gods, but I'm enjoying S2 a great deal more.