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Title: Meg 2.05
Post by: longmanshort on 08 April, 2003, 02:24:01 AM
My word, Pat Mills really did let rip in TPO didn't he!

"Creator-baiter"? Sounds like some pseudo-homosexual Deep South American white trash night time nefarious activity, if you ask me!

Though, TBH, considering the recent quality of Pat's stuff, you can't really blame Mr Diggle for getting his scalpel out!

Link: The Upsetting World of Longman Short

Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Leigh S on 08 April, 2003, 03:33:09 AM
Yeah - potentially the most interesting comment from Pat is his bold claim that we'll start to see better stories from him.... The recent Slaine - pre or post Diggle? Theres certainly no sign of improvement there.

In fact the best Pat stuff IMO has been some of the humour in the ABC Warriors run (the trible stuff was classic Mills wordplay) and the Deadlock series.  Mills might have found Diggles approach frustrating considering he considers himself above the kind of editing he was so fond of in his day, but to my mind, the writing seemed much better (certanly less boring Khaos lectures and a few more fun ideas).

 
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: thinky on 08 April, 2003, 04:13:11 AM

having been away from 2thou for so long, i reserved judgement on Slaine (which i never really took to in the first place). The last series defitely seemed like the writer was going through the motions and i found it boring.

From all accounts Andy Diggle dared to challenge the old-school, and the old-school in turn decided to have a (unedited!) whinge about it. shame.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: thinky on 08 April, 2003, 04:15:05 AM

oh, and Black Siddah is pointless, and is shown up by the rest of the issue. lovely art though - very Sean Phillips. at least to my 'still stuck in the 90's' eye
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Mangamax on 08 April, 2003, 02:20:55 PM
Reckon the Deadlock tale was the best thing Mills has done recently, with a bit of dialogue easily in my top ten 2000 AD sound bites:

"... nothing can stop me cleansing the galaxy of all alien life-forms... with their offensive personal habits, unspeakable appendages and strange wobbly bits"
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Art on 08 April, 2003, 05:36:54 PM
Ooh, you guys are going to hate me for this, but I have to say that I'm enjoying "Monkey" way more than the last few Wagner Dredds in the Meg.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 08 April, 2003, 06:20:32 PM
But I've just looked in Meg 2.05 and I can't see any quote from Mills. All I can see it Devlin Waugh and the Soul Sisters...
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: DavidXBrunt on 08 April, 2003, 07:42:44 PM
Sorry.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Tiplodocus on 08 April, 2003, 08:07:16 PM
Enjoyed the Meg again.
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DREDD: MONKEY IN A HAT - this tale is going nicely, like the little character touches in the dialogue in particular the "You in a hurry to get old?" and the "All?"/"All" exchange.  I wasn't quite sure about the scenes where the Monkey shows how eveil it is by shooting the Judge - I could see the need for the scene - after all, so far the Monkey has made nice if stupid laws - but I'm not sure of the way it played out. I think Higgins art is great.

Apocalypse Soon - fun if slight. Reminded me of the story about the time Peter O'Toole appeared on The Letterman show(?)

Young Middenface: Loved this.  The art is beutiful and the story has resonance beyond the usual action adventure stuff.  I really loved the "But a man needs to have blood on his hands..." from Bonnie Charlie - a few armchair war fans could do with reading this.

Darkies Mob:  There's a monkey, but I can't see the hat.  Still solid enjoyable

Slaine: OKish but I don't seem to recall all of the preachy stuff when I first read it. Maybe I just ignored it in favour of the action story.

Black Siddha: Again I'm enjoying this despite myself. It is a different character ste/backdrop to that which we are usually served up and that has to be welcome even if it looks like it may end up like the usual rant at times.

Interrogation Cube: Odd that Ridgeway likes his science fiction books to be "technically accurate" but his film choices are quite the opposite.

Thrill Power Overload:  Enjoyed this series immensely. Thanks to Bish-Op for writing it and Mister Barnes for publishing it.  I felt a  bit sorry for both sides in the Diggle/Mills thing. I had a similar run in with a boss once where they thought I was being evil and manipulative and I'm not sure what I did wrong.  It's a pain when someone that you respect and woiuld like to work for ends up at loggerheads with you. Also, In twenty years time I look forward to hearing the full story about sub-editing/rewriting Dante?  Incidentally, are the two Dante books that got swapped about now irreversably set that way? COuld it be that when they are relased as trade paperbacks, they are restored to the correct order?

Family: Still don't know/care who anybody is in this.  It's a shame because you can see the effort that has gone into making the premise engaging but the chgaracters just haven't clicked for me.

Devlin Waugh: Good solid adventure, hooror, gore fest.

Overall, I really enjoyed this issue.  More pelase.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Slippery PD on 08 April, 2003, 08:30:09 PM
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Dredd - Im with Art here. Im liking this. Hopefully its Ennis finding a "Dredd Touch"  And the art, thank you very much its brilliant.
Appocolypse Soon - Good throwaway filler.
Slaine/Darkies Mob - Im beginning to like Darkies Mob more.  However much I like Slaine.
Middenface - MORE RIDGEWAY!  and the story is pretty good too.  Some of the parallels are great, highland clearances, bonnie prince charlie.  Im rather glad Im Scots!!
Blck Siddha - Well we are now out of the "introduction" period, Id like to see the gust of this story.
Family - I think the opposite is possibly true.  We never had an "introduction" period.  But Im actually beginning to get into it and I really like Si Frasers art.  Brilliant
Devlin - is still too short!!!

Yer Slippo

Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Trout on 08 April, 2003, 08:45:42 PM
I really enjoyed the Ennis Dredd, Darkie's Mob, Young Middenface (wins me points! yea!) and Devlin Waugh.

I can't get into Black Siddha and I've read the Slaine stuff many times before, so I skipped it.

I was enjoying Family, but I find it hard to follow in this short, episodic form. I'm sure I'll enjoy it more on an intensive re-read.

But the comments on this thread are telling - TPO was the best part of the Meg, wasn't it?

Fascinating stuff.
Clearly, with the magical gift of hindsight, Dig-L is wishing he'd been a bit more diplomatic with Pat Mills.

However, how much can you pander to the arrogance of such a man before something has to give?
"Pat Mills characters" - ? Where did that come from?
Why does this man think he has more rights than everyone else? I'm all for creator rights, but if he wants to invent some that don't exist, then that's terrible hypocrisy from a man who once wielded a blue pencil with such ferocity.

Given the quality of his recent work - I've liked one episode of Slaine in the last ten years - I reckon Mills should just do an Alan Moore like he's clearly threatening.

Just how much of a loss would he be?I await the new ABC Warriors with interest. Has he put his talent where his mouth is? We'll see.

- Trout
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Jared Katooie on 08 April, 2003, 10:28:57 PM
Is young middenface back then?

The last series was fantastic...

Probably shouldn't read spoilers but I'm fed up of waiting!
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: longmanshort on 09 April, 2003, 03:06:20 AM
I felt that way after episode one and DEFINITELY feel that way now. A much "meatier" Dredd than usual from Ennis and he seems to have picked up that terse, blunt Dredd that Wagner normally does so well with (and did so with Sin City etc) and some PROPER cliffhangers for once! Looking forward to the rest.

As for TPO. The best of an excellent issue. It will be missed!

In terms of the Mills vs Diggle row. I'd side with Diggle any day of the week. Despite some great stories in the past Mills, it seems, has shot his bolt!

Link: The Upsetting World of Longman Short

Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: paulvonscott on 09 April, 2003, 07:35:49 AM
Hmmm... can't wait to read it.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Smiley on 09 April, 2003, 06:51:06 PM
Explosive decompression as a weapon! How cool is that?
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Tu-plang on 09 April, 2003, 07:55:47 PM
"Incidentally, are the two Dante books that got swapped about now irreversably set that way? COuld it be that when they are relased as trade paperbacks, they are restored to the correct order?"

What are these books?  I honestly never noticed anything amiss.  I'n all curious now...
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: paulvonscott on 10 April, 2003, 09:47:01 AM
Got home early this morning after a five hour drive, it's late, cold, I'm tired and unable to sleep due to too much red bull, needlessly worrying over a credit card bill and the bad thing that happened involving the oil cap of my car.

Can you smell fumes too?

Read the end of Aliens Dredd.  Well it was fun enough for what it was, shouldn't take it to seriously I suppose.  That sounds more dismissive than I mean it to be, but you know what I'm getting at.  That Mechanismo did good.

Enjoyed TPO, well done that man, looking forward to the next affair.  

It would be nice to take sides in the whole Diggle Mills thing, but to be honest it's all too depressing.  Certainly from the disadvantaged viewpoint of a reader, Diggle has not be a long chalk been the worst editor, and he was only editor for 18 months and he acknowledged where he went wrong.  It might have been an idea for Pat to cool down and go for a walk before he decided to have his say, if only because it could have been sorted out wit less acrimony (an unstable emotional element, created by transmuting base thoughts).  But I suspect past experiences in the seemingly disenchanting world of comics have shortened his fuse.  

Seems to me that working in comics is largely a miserable business from what I've picked up.  Someone tell me I'm wrong!

Well, tempted to fall unconscious reading Slaine (where I thought I saw an alien jukebox), or the jungle law of Darkie.  Though the latter might get me all excited again.

Roll on morning and sunshine.

Tired Cold Paul

hmmm... that's TCP.  And Tired Paul is TP.

Night

Paul

p.s. Someone's sent me a Garth Ennis comic in the post.  Aren't there laws against this?



Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: damnandblast on 10 April, 2003, 08:34:29 PM
"...(where I thought I saw an alien jukebox)..."

I was reading Shako in one of the old annuals the other day and thought I saw Walter the Wobot in the background.

Guess what?

I did.

That was very wierd.

Nigel
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: W. R. Logan on 10 April, 2003, 08:44:47 PM
Sure when it appeared in the Prog there was a spot Walter competition.

Either that or walter was a CIA agent after the capsule.

La Placa Rifa,
W. R. Logan.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: JamieB on 10 April, 2003, 08:44:54 PM
"Seems to me that working in comics is largely a miserable business from what I've picked up. Someone tell me I'm wrong!"

Yep, you're wrong :P

J-Bo-1
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: damnandblast on 10 April, 2003, 08:56:27 PM
"Sure when it appeared in the Prog there was a spot Walter competition."

Hmm.. your memory is frighteningly good, Logan!

It's been a funny week for spotting 2000AD oddities. One of the annuals has a 'Judge in MC1' photo-shoot that looks suspiciously like a young Pat Mills in a (what's the adjective for 'even less impressive than total shite'?) Dredd costume standing on a pile of rubble.

And riffling through my old record collection I found an album by an obscure American AOR band with a Jim Baikie cover. I was rather proud of myself for spotting that, truth be known!

Nigel
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: thinky on 11 April, 2003, 04:07:17 AM
Sure when it appeared in the Prog there was a spot Walter competition.

that's how i won my Dan Dare communicators..!
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: McNulty on 11 April, 2003, 04:17:29 AM
Ridgeway always does a great job on art set in Scotland!

Link: The A-Z of Cal-Hab

Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: longmanshort on 11 April, 2003, 06:22:24 AM
To be honest, he does great art all the time! I managed to meet John at Babcom95 at the NEC. It was a pretty crap convention anf he was just sat at this stand with no indication of who he was. I noticed he had some original pages of the Babylon 5 comic by him so I just ambled up and chatted. I used to know an artist in Blackburn called Tim Perkins who used to do the colours for some of John's stuff, so we chatted about that.

Nice block :o)

PS some more images tomorrow on my website! (hopefully!)

Link: The Upsetting World of Longman Short

Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: longmanshort on 11 April, 2003, 06:22:44 AM
Or rather, nice BLOKE!

Oops

Link: The Upsetting World of Longman Short

Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Oddboy on 11 April, 2003, 05:54:46 PM
Cover: Didn't like this at all, yucky luminous orange colour, "bash street kids" joke, gah!

Haven't been really impressed by a Meg cover for ages now - not since Meg 4.14

Dredd - liking this quite a bit now. (although, NOTE TO WAKE: the page count so far is 30 pages, 15 in each episode!) - good fun stuff.

Apoc Soon - first thing I read this month, nice fun great stuff.

Black Sh*te (just being mean) - haven't read it since ep 1.  Might get round to it one day.

Family - slowly getting into this, although with a month between each episode I can't remember wtf is going on.  Like the Photo-frame scrapbook corners on the flash-back.  Nice touch Simon!

Middenface - great art, good story, enjoyment!

Non-fiction - TPO was good (as always) - sad that it must end, especially as there's at least been another year of 2000AD since the article started (enough for one more episode next month?)
Gordon's bit - pretty amusing, although I was distracted by Buffy the Vampire Slayer while reading it.
Ridgway - very glad The Dead Man is in his "proud of" collection, as I've got a page of his art for this in my living room. YAY!
Sl?ine - still not reading this because I read it last summer.
Darkies Mob - still a great romp!

Devlin - STILL THE BEST THING EVAH!(tm)*

Over all a darned fine issue, although it seems shorter then usual, maybe I'm imagining things.



*Not necessarily the best thing ever, but heck it's darned close.  That's why "ever" is spelt wrong.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Art on 11 April, 2003, 06:10:53 PM
Gordon's bit - pretty amusing, although I was distracted by Buffy the Vampire Slayer while reading it.

I was a little disapointed that Gordon neither confirmed or denyied rumours that the Games Workshop offices are sort of like that room with all the people hanging from the ceiling in "Coma".
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: The Monarch on 11 April, 2003, 08:08:48 PM
i had a good snigger at the last paragraph of gordons column and apocalypse soon i liked all of this months meg except from black shitddiah and slaine and mcnulty rules
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: petemaskreplica on 11 April, 2003, 08:37:59 PM
I enjoyed this meg, especially Middenface & Waugh, my jaw dropped on the floor when I read Pat Mills' anti-Diggle rant, I'm going to miss TPO, it's set a high benchmark for how articles should be. SO when's the book coming out, eh? ;)

Darkie's Mob ace again, but I thought the monkey looked a litle forlorn without his hat.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: Kate_Halprin on 25 April, 2003, 07:52:41 PM
The Dante books in the wrong order are Love and War and Battleship Potemkin. As printed they have some weird continuity errors that make a lot more sense if you read them the other way round.
Title: Re: Meg 2.05
Post by: The Big Man on 27 April, 2003, 05:38:11 AM
I think Black Siddha's too slow to be in the meg. It would probably be better in the weekly.