It's clear that the re-defined Durham Red is still visually a definitive version.
Leah Moore did a take in the Sci-Fi special and she's on the FCBD cover.
Mark's doing great work on the Grey Area but speaking to him its clear that he's not done with the character and as JJ Abrams proved with the Star Trek Universe, you can have parallel universes. So, my thought is why not get Mark Harrison back on Durham Red.
Oh and I'd I'd like a Hardback collecting all the Mark Harrison work to date as well as Scarlet Cantos is rare/expensive online.
(If you're going to ask you might as well push it.)
I know the purists are going to cry its not canon, but its visually so cool just call it Chelsea Blue if you have to..
Durham Red was fun, I wouldnt object to a return of some sort. Funnily I know its a spin off of Stront, but I see the Harrison version as a stand alone, already in an alternate universe version.
I much prefer Harrison's recent work on Grey Area to his original Durham Red run. I wouldn't mind seeing him tackle the character again in his new style.
There's plenty of room to go back to that Universe in between 'Vermin Stars' and 'Empty Suns' in story terms (ike Rennie did with his run on the original Rogue Trooper). Or even to return Red to the world of Strontium Dog proper, although that'd be pretty jarring.
I preferred the original ezquerra red and don't much care for the reimagining. Would be great to see her back in strontium dog. Retcon it!
Quote from: matty_ae on 28 April, 2016, 08:26:56 PM
Oh and I'd I'd like a Hardback collecting all the Mark Harrison work to date as well as Scarlet Cantos is rare/expensive online.
(If you're going to ask you might as well push it.)
Yes please! The hardback isn't even so unlikely an idea - seems like just the kind of thing that'd be lapped up in Europe
ala Volgan War.
Is there actually anything in those Durham Red stories that contradicts the subsequent events in Strontium Dog?
Quote from: M.I.K. on 29 August, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Is there actually anything in those Durham Red stories that contradicts the subsequent events in Strontium Dog?
Nope. In actual fact it's thematically quite pleasing, after the extinction of the British mutants in
Life and Death, considering it ends [spoiler]with the extinction of the human race by mutantkind[/spoiler]!
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 29 August, 2016, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 29 August, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Is there actually anything in those Durham Red stories that contradicts the subsequent events in Strontium Dog?
Nope. In actual fact it's thematically quite pleasing, after the extinction of the British mutants in Life and Death, considering it ends [spoiler]with the extinction of the human race by mutantkind[/spoiler]!
Discussed before- there
is a contradiction.
The Dan Abnett era Durham Red follows on directly from Paul Hogan's
Strontium Dogs and solo Durham Red stories.
Hogan's destiny for the character- the far future portrayal of Durham Red as the queen mother of a galactic royal family was cemented by Abnett's final story.
With The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha, all Strontium Dogs story-lines since The Final Solution are now non-canon, ergo all Durham Red story-lines are too.
Fuckin edit button....
Paul Hogan's Durham Red was of course that time she spent in the Australian outback killing wallabies to feed her blood lust.
Art by Mark Sexton.
Quote from: Link Prime on 29 August, 2016, 05:51:28 PM
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 29 August, 2016, 04:45:46 PM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 29 August, 2016, 04:36:30 PM
Is there actually anything in those Durham Red stories that contradicts the subsequent events in Strontium Dog?
Nope. In actual fact it's thematically quite pleasing, after the extinction of the British mutants in Life and Death, considering it ends [spoiler]with the extinction of the human race by mutantkind[/spoiler]!
Discussed before- there is a contradiction.
The Dan Abnett era Durham Red follows on directly from Paul Hogan's Strontium Dogs and solo Durham Red stories.
Hogan's destiny for the character- the far future portrayal of Durham Red as the queen mother of a galactic royal family was cemented by Abnett's final story.
With The Life and Death of Johnny Alpha, all Strontium Dogs story-lines since The Final Solution are now non-canon, ergo all Durham Red story-lines are too.
Okay, so, (without going back to check out the old issues which I can't be bothered doing right now), is her eventual destiny in Abnett's stories the only thing that specifically ties into the Hogan stories? 'Cos if that's the only problem I don't see any reason why things can't turn out the same way in the 'real' version.
I really enjoyed Harrisons run on Durham Red. I thought it was a bold move to move the character on into the far future and I'm sure theres plenty of scope to carry it on...Book 3 had some fab extras at the back and i'd certainly buy a hardcover!
Quote from: M.I.K. on 30 August, 2016, 02:12:38 AM
Okay, so, (without going back to check out the old issues which I can't be bothered doing right now), is her eventual destiny in Abnett's stories the only thing that specifically ties into the Hogan stories? 'Cos if that's the only problem I don't see any reason why things can't turn out the same way in the 'real' version.
It was a little bit more intricate than that.
In some scenes featuring the (seemingly) old and feeble Queen Mum Red there were callbacks / mentions of characters specific to Hogan's Strontium Dogs (from memory- Bullmoose Saxon, Toroni, The Goth King).
Any other reader can look at it as they choose, but for me,
any story set in that universe since The Final Solution is now non-canon.
Fair enough. That'd certainly complicate things.
Quote from: Link Prime on 30 August, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 30 August, 2016, 02:12:38 AM
Okay, so, (without going back to check out the old issues which I can't be bothered doing right now), is her eventual destiny in Abnett's stories the only thing that specifically ties into the Hogan stories? 'Cos if that's the only problem I don't see any reason why things can't turn out the same way in the 'real' version.
It was a little bit more intricate than that.
In some scenes featuring the (seemingly) old and feeble Queen Mum Red there were callbacks / mentions of characters specific to Hogan's Strontium Dogs (from memory- Bullmoose Saxon, Toroni, The Goth King).
Any other reader can look at it as they choose, but for me, any story set in that universe since The Final Solution is now non-canon.
plus there is no mention of Johnny Alpha's resurrection! Of course, she may have done the weird stasis thing before he came back, but he hasnt exactly been quiet since returning, so you think she might have picked up on the fact he came back from the dead in her absence?
In DC tradition its SD Earth 2, both valid?
Quote from: Leigh S on 30 August, 2016, 11:35:03 PM
Quote from: Link Prime on 30 August, 2016, 09:17:07 AM
Quote from: M.I.K. on 30 August, 2016, 02:12:38 AM
Okay, so, (without going back to check out the old issues which I can't be bothered doing right now), is her eventual destiny in Abnett's stories the only thing that specifically ties into the Hogan stories? 'Cos if that's the only problem I don't see any reason why things can't turn out the same way in the 'real' version.
It was a little bit more intricate than that.
In some scenes featuring the (seemingly) old and feeble Queen Mum Red there were callbacks / mentions of characters specific to Hogan's Strontium Dogs (from memory- Bullmoose Saxon, Toroni, The Goth King).
Any other reader can look at it as they choose, but for me, any story set in that universe since The Final Solution is now non-canon.
plus there is no mention of Johnny Alpha's resurrection! Of course, she may have done the weird stasis thing before he came back, but he hasnt exactly been quiet since returning, so you think she might have picked up on the fact he came back from the dead in her absence?
It just doesn't fit.
Like his run or not, Hogan masterfully pulled together and referenced all of the loose threads post The Final Solution (Ennis' Strontium Dogs, Grant's Durham Red and Middenface McNulty, and a flash-back tale with Johnny & Wulf penned by himself).
All of those stories took place in a sandbox where Johnny was already briefly resurrected (as a tortured soul trapped in a slab of meat by the Lyrans, as portrayed in The Darkest Star) and finished off once more.
The 'new' Doghouse (Ganymede) set-up at the start of Hogan's run also doesn't fit with the Wagner ret-con.
The less said about the Feral ret-con the better...
Let's go with David's idea- alternate realities.
On topic, I'd just like to mention that I'd also love to see Mark Harrison back on Durham Red, his most synonymous 2000AD character.
Maybe a reboot or fresh take with a new writer? Emma Beeby perhaps?
If Abnett would be willing to return that would also be welcome of course.
This thread also has me thinking- has Dark Days Bishop ever revealed the actual reason why Hogan's burgeoning Stontium Dogs & Durham Red epics stuttered to an Alan Smithee penned halt?
Quote from: matty_ae on 28 April, 2016, 08:23:07 PM
It's clear that the re-defined Durham Red is still visually a definitive version.
No, no it isn't. You cannot make bold assertions like that. You are Donald Trump and I claim my 5 groats.
It is a bold statement in retrospect.
Maybe even undefensible!