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Started by The Monarch, 26 February, 2005, 04:04:21 PM

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Krustabi

"The Carr bloke is a fucking wanker who I wouldn't tire of seeing him fed to live sharks".

Apparently he's popular in the US. Fingers crossed...

Noisybast

I saw Jimmy Carr's stand-up show a couple of years back.
It was pretty good, but I *did* assume the condescending snob was a character he was playing rather then his actual personality...
Dan Dare will return for a new adventure soon, Earthlets!

Adrian Bamforth

"how Walt saved it from disaster by lightening the tone"

I liked the way they steered clear of controversy by deciding to cast all black actors as the monkeys, led by a Malcom X figure who threatened to burn the jungle down.

ADE

Adrian Bamforth

Replying to my own post for a minute here I wonder why does noone EVER mention the huge political connotations of Disney's The Jungle Book: I mean the whole thing is a huge alagory for the politics of the late 60s.

The elephants are the reminants of the old order - the dying British Empire, old soldiers marching round uselessly.

The monkeys are the black community with their infectious jazz music, living in what looks like a ghetto, led by their Malcom X figure seeking civil rights ("I wanna be like you"/"Walk right into town/And be just like the other men" etc), threatening to burn the whole jungle down if they don't get what they want.

Baloo is a Kerouac-esque beatnik, laid back with no real worries but tantilised by the apes' funky jazz beats.

The vultures are (obviously) the Beatles with their mop hair, collars and harmony vocals and drol banter (not really that political but they fit in with the whole 1967 snapshot).

With the various political forces in the 'jungle', Disney reassures us it's good old family values and love that triumph and help us find out place in the world (when Mowgli joins the girl in the man-village), and the film ends on the theme of where people belong. Once you get over the thing about blacks being portrayed as apes you can actually appreciate how brilliantly it's concieved and executed. Though when you see how much people read into some movies and kid's shows, it's amazing to me that I can't seem to find a single thing on the internet about the political aspects of the film, all people ever find to say is that it's got great songs. Am I just going mad here? Or is it perhaps too obvious for people to bother mentioning?

Incidentally, my friend's 7-year old prefers Jungle Book II.

ADE


Goosegash

"Actually, those interviewed were completely clueless about anime in general, even Johnathan Clements - who writes the anime column for JD Megazine. There was some bloke who was quoted on just about everything shown who didn't even know the plots."

That guy apparently works for Toonami. He managed to get the plots to Watership Down and Princess Mononoke wrong("it's about a boy with a terminal disease who has to find Princess Monokoke to cure it." Eh?), which is rather embarrassing considering he works for channel devoted to cartoons.

I don't think Clements came off too badly, considering he only popped up a couple of times, and one of those was to correct the thick bloke from Toonami.

Bico

'I don't think Clements came off too badly, considering he only popped up a couple of times, and one of those was to correct the thick bloke from Toonami.'

Actually, having seen Clements on a few tv shows now (anyone else remember Saiko?), the producers of the show probably just spliced in an affectation of Clement's presenting style, rather than a specific rebuke to anything said by one of the other interviewees.  Although it surprises me not one jot that that fellow was a representative of Toonami.  In Britain at least, Toonami is seemingly run by managers in their own little bubble who don't have a clue how to market several cult shows that just seem to be shoved in anywhere on their schedule, rather than actively pushed to audiences outside the conventional cartoon fan and kiddie demographic (Samurai Jack being the most glaring example).
Mind you, most tv companies are just following the lead of american programmers, without realising that the UK is a seperate market not backed up by the same level of media saturation that sells these shows/franchise properties in the USA.

Oddboy

Incidentally, my friend's 7-year old prefers Jungle Book II.

Saw that at the cinema with my neice & nephew...

It was reasonably entertaining, but the new songs were lame and it relied heavily on the reprise of songs from the first film.

Although now I want to re-watch it, to see if it covers any political topics for the '00s!
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Will I. Cooling


No offence but I think people are too busy enjoying the damn thing to care about any subtexts. And I say that as someone whose I right bugger for reading too much into pop culture.

Will
The I is for 'I can't remember the password to my other account' or Ian. One or the other.

Byron Virgo

Personally I don't really care for these Disney films - sure, the Sorcerer's Apprentice was good, but what else is there? Maybe it's just that I had these rammed down my throat since I was a kid, but I'm really not interested in them, and I really object to their Americanised dominance (now alongside Pixar and bloody Dreamworks).

For me it's just Miyazaki and the Studio Ghibli stuff and nothing else.

Oddboy

Really liked this Disney film, not that it was in the "top 100". Far better then that Snow White sh*te.http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005M1Y2.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg">
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Byron Virgo

I'd be weary of anything with the word "Groove" in the title, but I'll take it under consideration.

Tiplodocus

Ade's right.

And the snake is symbolic of sexual liberation and the permissive society. Probably.

Disney do make the occassional stab at doing other world based stuff.  The last few years we've had:

Beauty and The Beast - Europe
Little Mermaid - Europe
Lion KIng - Africa
Mulan - Japan
Aladdin - Middle East
Hunch Back of Notre Dame - Europe

I must be alone in thinking that nearly most of the anime I've seen has been vastly over-rated.  Sure bits of it are cool and clever but overall, it doesn't yank my chain in the way that most of the Pixar output does.
Be excellent to each other. And party on!

Adrian Bamforth

The Emperor's New Groove was a colaboration with Gerald Scarfe, haven't seen it but it looks good. Disney have been quite varied in style in recent years, particularly like Lilo and Stitch which was created by one of their own animators who also did the Stitch voice.

For me a vary underrated film is The Prince Of Egypt, I haven't seen animation much better than that, and benefits from having a very dark theme (God killing all the first borns etc)and subsequently refrains from slapstick or crazy characters. The parting of the Red Sea is particulary good, especially when you see a whale swim by through the wall of water.

ADE

Oddboy

Yes, I'd put in a vote for Prince of Egypt too.
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Dan Kelly

I thought it was Hercules with Scarfe.  Atlantis was certainly with Mike Mignola...

Dan