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Title: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 November, 2016, 12:16:37 AM
Originally published in 1990 by Marvel Comics' Epic imprint, this post-apocalyptic series by John Wagner, Alan Grant and Mick McMahon last saw print in 2004 thanks to Com.X.

Rebellion's already scooped up all the rights to Ian Edginton and Matt Brooker's Scarlet Traces, which they're also reprinting the first volume of next year. However this is just a reprint of The Last American and the creators still retain ownership and control. (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/11/15/rebellion-reprints-marvels-last-american-wagner-grant-mcmahon-opportune/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)





Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: maryanddavid on 16 November, 2016, 12:25:31 AM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Michael Evans on 16 November, 2016, 01:36:16 AM
Hope it's done in the larger hardcover format.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: seanharry on 16 November, 2016, 01:44:13 AM
Hardcover please!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Trout on 16 November, 2016, 05:36:58 AM
Great news!

Now, can they be persuaded to finish it?

(Look, somebody was going to say it.)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 16 November, 2016, 05:37:45 AM
Amen - hardcover and I will double dip!   ::)

... and finished as well.  Too much to ask for.  (but let's go for it)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 16 November, 2016, 06:25:16 AM
Hmm. After years of looking only last week did i manage to buy the com.x collected edition of this. I was feeling rather smug as well! Im still chuffed to bits about this because its an absolute classic and will definately double dip. Hardcover would be lush though.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2016, 06:30:15 AM
Yeah while I have all the comics from back in the day its great news that this is getting the Rebellion treatment. If anyone on here doesn't own it its a must buy. Wonderful series.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: jacob g on 16 November, 2016, 08:48:08 AM
I still own single issues but this story is so beautifuly drawn I'll have no problem with buying new edition (if HC).
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: I, Cosh on 16 November, 2016, 09:06:03 AM
Quote from: Trout on 16 November, 2016, 05:36:58 AM
Now, can they be persuaded to finish it?
Have I forgotten something here?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: IndigoPrime on 16 November, 2016, 10:02:20 AM
I own the singles. HC would tempt me. A real pity Scarlet Traces is PB. No point in moving from my excellent Dark Horse hardbacks.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 16 November, 2016, 10:42:17 AM
I thought the story finished as it was. I thought it ended very well..is it unfinished?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: sheridan on 16 November, 2016, 01:27:31 PM
Four issues, I thought it was finished as well?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steven Sterlacchini on 16 November, 2016, 01:31:13 PM
Excellent.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 16 November, 2016, 01:34:14 PM
Good news. Like others here I have the single issues. I'd be interested in a hardback copy, particularly if there's some extra material, but I don't think a paperback reprint would be so tempting.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Bolt-01 on 16 November, 2016, 02:09:42 PM
From memory the series finishes with an 'open' premise; maybe there was hope for a sequel?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 16 November, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
I remember a UK monthly reprinted episodes of The Last American in the early 90s alongside some other material (Nightbreed?). Does anyone remember which one that was?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Spikes on 16 November, 2016, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: Spikes on 03 September, 2016, 06:40:48 PM
Slightly off track here, so apologies, but it would be nice if Rebellion - and seeing as they are in the mood - could also snag The Last American....

See, Tharg does indeed listen to the humble squaxx. If you ask him nicely, you may very well get a Big Dave collection, and a conclusion to Dan Dare,  ;)

But joshing aside, this is rather marvellous news.
The most 2000ad of all non-2000ad tales finally comes home.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Of course, I own the (much read, and much loved) floppies, but to have a decent collection of this tale is a must.

A hardback release, with a new cover by McMahon, would be aces. Maybe some interview material with Mr Wagner would also be grand.

Quote from: Mute77 on 16 November, 2016, 10:42:17 AM
I thought the story finished as it was. I thought it ended very well..is it unfinished?

I seem to recall, that the original tale was to run a lot longer, but in the end, it lasted only four issues.

And a few years ago, John Wagner spoke of a desire to maybe return to the character....

Personally, I think it works perfectly as it is, so continuing the tale is not something I'm desperate to see, tbh.

Just a thought; The original tale really benefited from the increased page count that comes with working in the US format of comics, I wonder how it would work in the Prog, or the Meg?



Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Trout on 16 November, 2016, 05:04:39 PM
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 16 November, 2016, 02:09:42 PM
From memory the series finishes with an 'open' premise; maybe there was hope for a sequel?

Yes. It's completely amazing but far too short.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 November, 2016, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: CalHab on 16 November, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
I remember a UK monthly reprinted episodes of The Last American in the early 90s alongside some other material (Nightbreed?). Does anyone remember which one that was?


(http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/10/109303/3161323-meltdown+003.jpg)

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 16 November, 2016, 07:19:08 PM
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 16 November, 2016, 10:02:20 AM
I own the singles. HC would tempt me. A real pity Scarlet Traces is PB. No point in moving from my excellent Dark Horse hardbacks.

Ditto.  A real shame on that score.  If any Rebellion lurkers are paying attention then please please please please please give it the luxury treatment.  It deserves it.  As do it's creators.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 16 November, 2016, 07:39:13 PM
Yeah same here..my dark horse hardcovers are ace with nice extras at the back. Only a Scarlet Traces hc would tempt me to double dip..
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 16 November, 2016, 07:54:30 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 16 November, 2016, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: CalHab on 16 November, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
I remember a UK monthly reprinted episodes of The Last American in the early 90s alongside some other material (Nightbreed?). Does anyone remember which one that was?


(http://static7.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/10/109303/3161323-meltdown+003.jpg)

Thanks. I was starting to worry that I'd imagined it.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Colin YNWA on 16 November, 2016, 08:46:02 PM
Christ 'Meltdown' christ I remember that now. I didn't get it as I had almost all the stories in it but remember thinking it was a bloody good package of you didn't have the stuff in there.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: maryanddavid on 17 November, 2016, 12:21:25 AM
I have a few of them somewhere, how long were they expecting it to last with the inclusion of Akira :D
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Fungus on 17 November, 2016, 02:34:07 AM
Glad of this reprint, I enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 17 November, 2016, 08:09:29 PM
I started reading the com.x paperback of Last American and there seemed to be a few pages in the wrong order at the end of the second issue. Having checked this with the comixology version  there are indeed 3 or 4 pages mixed up so now i'm really looking forward to Rebellions edition!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 18 November, 2016, 05:39:54 PM
I have the original 4 issue series from Epic Comics somewhere. It was good but I'm not sure I would buy a reprint.

I seem to remember one of the issues was a 'singing' issue. Wagner and Grant did other stories like this such as in Robo-Hunter. It felt a bit like padding in a 4 issue series. Now its been many years since I last read it so I could be wrong or it may not have taken up the whole issue but it left me with the impression that the series started well but fizzled out.

No complaints about the art though.

Hopefully a reprint of The Bogie Man by Wagner, Grant and Robin Smith is on the cards. The original 4 issues of that from Fat Man Press were very funny and I think would go down well.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: I, Cosh on 18 November, 2016, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 18 November, 2016, 05:39:54 PM
I seem to remember one of the issues was a 'singing' issue. Wagner and Grant did other stories like this such as in Robo-Hunter. It felt a bit like padding in a 4 issue series. Now its been many years since I last read it so I could be wrong or it may not have taken up the whole issue but it left me with the impression that the series started well but fizzled out.
Yep. I only read it for the first time a year or so ago when it appeared on Comixology and the singing issue did my head in and badly affected the flow of the series.

NB I also detest the singing Robo Hunter story.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Spikes on 18 November, 2016, 06:10:54 PM
I always thought this was one of their little partnership trademarks/gimmicks. And I kinda liked it, tbh, whenever and wherever it popped up.

'Apocalypso!, Apocalypso! The bombs they come to fry our fat! Apocalypso! Apocalypso! The population goin'.......
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 18 November, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Listed as a paperback (http://www.bookdepository.com/Last-American-John-Wagner/9781781085448) over on Book Depository
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Dandontdare on 18 November, 2016, 11:28:09 PM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 18 November, 2016, 05:39:54 PM
I seem to remember one of the issues was a 'singing' issue.

That's one of my pet hates, singing stories - hate 'em every time
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: seanharry on 19 November, 2016, 06:20:11 PM
Quote from: O Lucky Stevie! on 18 November, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Listed as a paperback (http://www.bookdepository.com/Last-American-John-Wagner/9781781085448) over on Book Depository

Very disappointing.

Rebellion seem to be very reticent about printing in hardcover, which is a real shame. All my 2000AD stuff looks pretty cheap on the shelf next to Marvel, DC, Image, Dark Horse etc.

Given the sales of the ABC Warrior Mek Files, The Cursed Earth, Urban Warfare and Dark Justice, which all sold out, what is their issue with presenting more of their back catalogue in a deluxe format that collectors would appreciate?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 19 November, 2016, 08:44:26 PM
Quote from: seanharry on 19 November, 2016, 06:20:11 PM
Rebellion seem to be very reticent about printing in hardcover, which is a real shame. All my 2000AD stuff looks pretty cheap on the shelf next to Marvel, DC, Image, Dark Horse etc.

Given the sales of the ABC Warrior Mek Files, The Cursed Earth, Urban Warfare and Dark Justice, which all sold out, what is their issue with presenting more of their back catalogue in a deluxe format that collectors would appreciate?


The Last American is a much lesser known work than Judge Dredd or the ABC Warriors so I presume Rebellion have done their sums in terms of attracting both old and new readers with a less expensive paperback.


Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steve Green on 19 November, 2016, 08:51:29 PM
Hardbacks are much more expensive.

They were still shifting decade old hardbacks very cheaply recently, I would imagine they understandably don't want to get stuck with a load of books they can't shift.

Very easy to say they should do 'x' when it's not you staring at boxes of unsold expensive hardbacks.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Dark Jimbo on 19 November, 2016, 09:00:11 PM
Quote from: seanharry on 19 November, 2016, 06:20:11 PM
Rebellion seem to be very reticent about printing in hardcover, which is a real shame...

Given the sales of the ABC Warrior Mek Files, The Cursed Earth, Urban Warfare and Dark Justice, which all sold out, what is their issue with presenting more of their back catalogue in a deluxe format...

Yeah, what a bunch of misers. In the last two years alone they've only given us hardbacks of the aforementioned Mek Files 1, Mek Files 2, Mek Files 3, Cursed Earth, Urban Warfare, Dark Justice, Return to Mars, Return to Ro-Busters, Dan Dare 1, Dan Dare 2, Ro-Busters 1, Ro-Busters 2, Daily Dredds 1, Daily Dredds 2...
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 20 November, 2016, 07:21:19 AM
It's a valid point on the stock control front, particularly when you consider that to some extent you are talking a niche market anyway.  Then again if it is a niche why not play to that? 

Thanks DJ for that reminder though.  There have been a lot of quality books over the last year or so.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Colin YNWA on 20 November, 2016, 03:48:25 PM
Bit of a tangent ths but since Rebellion are reprinting Last American its made me wonder what the ownership status of Outcasts. I always thought it was under one of the deals at the time which meant that ownership of the strip reverted to the creators after an agreed period of time after it was last printed, similar to Watchmen.

Now I'm not sure quite why I think that, but its in my head somewhere that that's the case. If that's right I'm pretty certain this would have reverted back to Wagner, Grant and Kennedy AND if that's the case its well overdue this sort of treatment...

... of course I could be completely wrong and this is just a straight DC property? Anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 November, 2016, 04:12:03 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 20 November, 2016, 07:21:19 AM
Then again if it is a niche why not play to that? 


Because the niche for this comic is a niche within a niche and they'd like to draw new/old readers' attention to an older work?

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 20 November, 2016, 04:28:07 PM
Fair enough.  As opposed to the likes of DC who do originals, trade, deluxe, absolute, artist, mother-in-law editions ...

That said.  Rebellion have done it with both Cursed Earth and Zenith.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 20 November, 2016, 04:51:19 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 20 November, 2016, 04:28:07 PM
Fair enough.  As opposed to the likes of DC who do originals, trade, deluxe, absolute, artist, mother-in-law editions ...

That said.  Rebellion have done it with both Cursed Earth and Zenith.

Aye, Rebellion doesn't have the spending power of America's Big 2 nor their consumer base but Zenith was a long, uncollected, out-of-print, significant piece of work by one of the most successful writers in comics so it's a definite sell - the limited edition hardback sold-out in a few days (http://www.cbr.com/rebellion-sells-out-of-controversial-reprint-of-morrisons-zenith/) - and The Cursed Earth Uncensored is a notable piece of controversial Judge Dredd history and it was another definite seller.

The Last American isn't even 2000AD.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Spikes on 20 November, 2016, 05:50:22 PM
I can see the point in going for the cheaper option on this, but would love, and would pay more, for a more deluxe version.

Would it be worthwhile for Tharg to do a limited HB version to be sold only via the shop?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steve Green on 20 November, 2016, 08:02:42 PM
I would have imagine that Rebellion have considered other options, e.g. crowdsourcing etc.

It would be an interesting experiment, but I'm sure they've done their calculations based on past experience.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Southstreeter on 20 November, 2016, 09:00:13 PM
I don't think I was aware of The Last American before this recent publicity. I'd be unlikely to buy it in hardback, but I might take a punt on a paperback.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Magnetica on 20 November, 2016, 10:43:13 PM
Likewise I was not aware of The Last American before this.

Paperback is absolutely fine by me and I'll definitely be getting this.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JeffreyMT on 21 November, 2016, 11:48:40 AM

I would hazard a guess that Outcasts by Wagner, Grant & Kennedy is a DC property due to the fact they turned up in Lobo UnAmerican Gladiators, which made no sense continuity wise as it was supposed to be set in the future! These are the sort of things I used to worry about in the 90's.

Nice to see the Last American heading back to print.

Surely it's just Metalzoic remaining as the last lost classic now?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 21 November, 2016, 03:14:54 PM


Both Outcasts and Metalzoic are DC copyright.


Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Colin YNWA on 21 November, 2016, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 21 November, 2016, 03:14:54 PM


Both Outcasts and Metalzoic are DC copyright.

Dagnabbit!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 24 November, 2016, 01:21:20 AM
Any chance of recent LA private commissions being included ? It would add something extra worth buying even if you have the original issues and Com.X reprint ( which has a page out of order).
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Spikes on 26 November, 2016, 12:41:58 PM
If Rebellion wanted a HD scan of my recent-ish commission, I'd be happy to supply one.

Or maybe Mick still has a scan of it.

Rufus has some interior pages (I also have one..) along with some of the covers. And Mark Perry, who supplied some of the art for the Cursed Earth reprint, also has both. Maybe these chaps could be contacted for fresh scans.

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: seanharry on 29 November, 2016, 01:37:35 AM
While I am sure that Rebellion have done their sums etc, the majority of their limited hardback range seems to sell out, bar Slaine.

And while most other publishers, not just the big two, Marvel & DC, but also Image, Dark Horse, IDW, Dynamite, Avatar and Titan seem to be able to publish the vast bulk of their titles as hardbacks first before going to softcover.

While 90% of Rebellions catalogue will be softcover only.

I get that some stuff is niche, but Titan can put out Elric, The First Kingdom and Jonny Nemo in Hardcover, and that stuff (while great, is very niche).

Does stuff like The Crossed, Turok Dinosaur Hunter or Satellite Sam have a bigger audience than Judge Dredd, Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper, or work by Mills / Wagner / McMahon like The Last American?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Fungus on 29 November, 2016, 01:45:57 AM
I expect Rebellion have - as you say - done their sums...
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 29 November, 2016, 02:09:09 AM
Quote from: seanharry on 29 November, 2016, 01:37:35 AMDoes stuff like The Crossed, Turok Dinosaur Hunter or Satellite Sam have a bigger audience than Judge Dredd, Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper, or work by Mills / Wagner / McMahon like The Last American?

The Last American is probably the least known of all those works - which stretch to multiple volumes. It only lasted 4 issues and had one reprint in approx. 27 years.

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 29 November, 2016, 03:05:49 AM
Quote from: seanharry on 29 November, 2016, 01:37:35 AM

Does stuff like The Crossed, Turok Dinosaur Hunter or Satellite Sam have a bigger audience than Judge Dredd, Strontium Dog, Rogue Trooper, or work by Mills / Wagner / McMahon like The Last American?

Given that both Turok & Satellite Sam are both published by not only US publishers –where it goes without saying that the American market is substantially larger than in the Commonwealth—but Diamond US Premier publishers (Dark Horse & Image respectively) as opposed to being buried in the back of Previews with all of the rest of the independents where lots of the smaller American stores don't even bother to look, yes.

Avatar clearly have done their sums as well, for the overwhelming majority of their collections –ie anything written by somebody other than  Alan Moore bar Crossed (zombie zeitgeist, huh?) —no longer receive hardcover treatment but now go straight to trade paperback editions.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Dash Decent on 07 January, 2017, 12:53:31 AM
Now listed on Amazon UK for pre-order:

06 Apr 2017 - The Last American (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1781085447)

"Twenty years after a global nuclear war destroyed the world, Captain Ulysses Pilgrim is woken from suspended animation by three military robot aides.  Selected by his superiors to survive the initial onslaught, Pilgrim now has one last mission; to scour through post-holocaust U.S.A. in the search for other survivors."
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: sheridan on 09 January, 2017, 01:52:09 AM
Quote from: seanharry on 29 November, 2016, 01:37:35 AM
I get that some stuff is niche, but Titan can put out Elric, The First Kingdom and Jonny Nemo in Hardcover, and that stuff (while great, is very niche).

I wouldn't call Elric 'very niche'!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: O Lucky Stevie! on 09 January, 2017, 02:47:13 AM
Quote from: sheridan on 09 January, 2017, 01:52:09 AM
Quote from: seanharry on 29 November, 2016, 01:37:35 AM
I get that some stuff is niche, but Titan can put out Elric, The First Kingdom and Jonny Nemo in Hardcover, and that stuff (while great, is very niche).

I wouldn't call Elric 'very niche'!

Nor Doctor Who.

Titan's Tank Girl collections are now going straight to paperback without a hardcover though.

It's symptomatic of the current market. It's the same reason why when British book publisher Orion release a new title by Stephen Baxter or Alastair Reynolds , they get a hardcover edition but none of their other SF author do.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: IndigoPrime on 09 January, 2017, 08:37:49 AM
It's down to sales. If people bought more hardbacks, we'd get more hardbacks.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2017, 12:21:34 PM


The Last American is now available in SPECIAL EDITION HARDBACK (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB624) of 200 copies.


Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Arkwright99 on 15 February, 2017, 12:48:04 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2017, 12:21:34 PM
The Last American is now available in SPECIAL EDITION HARDBACK (https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB624) of 200 copies.
Gruddamn it! I was going to make do with my original Epic floppies but a hardback, book plate and an A4 art print? Shut up and take my money already, Tharg!  >:(
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 15 February, 2017, 01:35:40 PM
Ordered!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: James Stacey on 15 February, 2017, 01:40:41 PM
Is the hardback limited edition or the hardback bookplate ed limited, the copy seems a little vague on the matter.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2017, 01:55:19 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 15 February, 2017, 01:40:41 PM
Is the hardback limited edition or the hardback bookplate ed limited, the copy seems a little vague on the matter.

They're one and the same hardback.

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2017, 01:56:14 PM


"There are only 200 copies of this exclusive limited edition hardback, which comes with a bookplate and A4 art print."


Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: James Stacey on 15 February, 2017, 03:00:05 PM
but that could be read that the limited edition hardback comes with a bookplate and art but the standard hardback (if it exists) doesn't.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2017, 03:37:45 PM
Only the special edition is advertised. There's no standard hardback.


THE LAST AMERICAN: SPECIAL EDITION HARDBACK

There are only 200 copies of this exclusive limited edition hardback, which comes with a bookplate and A4 art print.


Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Rex Banner on 15 February, 2017, 04:31:56 PM
There are two options to buy. Limited Edition at £23.99 and standard at £15.99.

Can't see that it specifies if the standard is a hardback or not.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 15 February, 2017, 04:36:33 PM
IIRC the standard is paperback.  It's the special edition for me.  Pre-purchase in.  Is it too much to hope that Grant, Wagner and McMahon might be signing?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steve Green on 15 February, 2017, 05:00:58 PM
Untited States?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2017, 05:52:17 PM
Quote from: Rex Banner on 15 February, 2017, 04:31:56 PM
There are two options to buy. Limited Edition at £23.99 and standard at £15.99.

Can't see that it specifies if the standard is a hardback or not.

It's in the title:

THE LAST AMERICAN [STANDARD EDITION PAPERBACK]

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB597

Title: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Arkwright99 on 15 February, 2017, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 15 February, 2017, 04:36:33 PM
IIRC the standard is paperback.  It's the special edition for me.  Pre-purchase in.  Is it too much to hope that Grant, Wagner and McMahon might be signing?
According to tonight's Thrill-Mail the bookplate is signed 'tho not sure if we know by who yet.


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Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: jacob g on 15 February, 2017, 06:32:37 PM
Great news with hardcover, now I just need to cancel preorder for paperback at my LCS.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: moly on 15 February, 2017, 06:38:39 PM
Ordered
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Colin YNWA on 15 February, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
They got quite enough of my money this weekend and they can bugger off if they think I'm going to order tha...

...uhhh shiny...
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 15 February, 2017, 09:04:34 PM
Couldn't resist the hardcover!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Woolly on 15 February, 2017, 09:48:27 PM
Don't normally buy GNs or collections because skint, but got this without a second thought.
Should arrive just after my birthday too. Nice!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 15 February, 2017, 09:51:15 PM
Might wait and see who is signing the hardback and if the print is signed.

Its a tricky one though as I have the original issues from 1990 and it really isn't one of my favourite stories. I was probably expecting another Cursed Earth type epic though. Really not sure. 
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 15 February, 2017, 09:52:17 PM



It's the same size as The Cursed Earth hardback/paperback so that's a big plus to buy this.


Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 15 February, 2017, 10:02:23 PM
Are you sure its the same size? I just assumed they would print it on the smaller US comic size.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 15 February, 2017, 10:18:01 PM
I assumed A4 size too but I'd love to be wrong! Ordered a copy of the hardback this morning regardless because I'm a hopeless completist!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 February, 2017, 12:40:04 AM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 15 February, 2017, 10:02:23 PM
Are you sure its the same size? I just assumed they would print it on the smaller US comic size.

According to a certain Droid it is.

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 16 February, 2017, 12:47:59 AM

I'm assuming this is a scale representation and the A4 print is actually smaller than the book.

(https://images.rebellion.co.uk/productVersion/53/31/00.large.jpg)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 February, 2017, 07:21:26 AM
Over-sized? Suddenly, I'm very tempted!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Molch-R on 16 February, 2017, 10:51:47 AM
Just to clarify, this edition will be the same size as The Cursed Earth Uncensored HARDCOVER edition, so it will be oversized when compared to the original Epic and Com.X printings.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 16 February, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Molch-R on 16 February, 2017, 10:51:47 AM
Just to clarify, this edition will be the same size as The Cursed Earth Uncensored HARDCOVER edition, so it will be oversized when compared to the original Epic and Com.X printings.

I have the Com.X edition, and I also have the Cursed Earth hardcover for comparison, so that's good enough for me! :-)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Magnetica on 16 February, 2017, 01:28:52 PM
I have just ordered the hardback limited edition. I have never read this before and was going to get the soft cover, but some how couldn't resist the art print.

(I have heard some say it is "one of the best comics ever" and someone I was chatting to on Saturday said it "wasn't all that. Guess I will find out for myself soon enough).
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: jacob g on 16 February, 2017, 01:42:12 PM
I don't think this is the best comic ever or even Wagner/Grant best story but it's nice book with amazing art.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Magnetica on 16 February, 2017, 01:48:09 PM
Quote from: jacob g on 16 February, 2017, 01:42:12 PM
I don't think this is the best comic ever or even Wagner/Grant best story but it's nice book with amazing art.

I was going on "it's written by Wagner and Grant, and drawn by McMahon" so of course I'm going to like it.

Bit like ok "I'll buy all of Rok of the Reds blind just because it is by Wagner and Grant."
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Timothy on 16 February, 2017, 02:10:02 PM
I've taken the plunge and gone for the hardback.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SIP on 16 February, 2017, 06:02:35 PM
It isn't one of the greats, but the artwork is worth the price of admission (if you are a mcmahon fan). Was passing on this as have the original and com x versions......but must say I'm tempted now for the upscaled art alone.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 16 February, 2017, 06:03:43 PM
Right I might get this then if its signed by Mick. I don't think they've said who its going to be signed by.

Its just that I think he did a great job on the art but that Wagner and Grant dropped the ball a bit with the story.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Trent on 16 February, 2017, 06:28:23 PM
Barely familiar with this; I remember when it came out but have never read it.
Ordered the hardback on the basis that for an extra 8 quid you get a nicer package, larger format, A4 print and signature(s) it seemed well worth the punt.
Looking forward to reading it and Mick's artwork alone is always worth the admission price.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 24 February, 2017, 08:42:03 PM
Was looking at this again on the website. Is the hardback now sold out?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 24 February, 2017, 10:36:36 PM
Quote from: Tony Angelino on 24 February, 2017, 08:42:03 PM
Was looking at this again on the website. Is the hardback now sold out?

Don't think so:

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB624
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Timothy on 25 February, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Think so.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 25 February, 2017, 05:03:58 PM
Quote from: Timothy on 25 February, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Think so.

Dammit. Was patiently waiting for payday to pick this up (the travel to and from the 40th polished off my disposable for the month) and now, 24 hours before, it's gone. Such is the way I suppose
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 February, 2017, 07:14:06 PM
Quote from: Timothy on 25 February, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
Think so.

Still don't think so. Seems available:

https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/XB624
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Magnetica on 25 February, 2017, 08:16:05 PM
That's odd. It  definitely  said "out of stock" earlier. Now it is showing as available. The soft cover was also showing as limited stock.

It could be something to do with how the system counts stock available to order based on whether there are some in baskets but not yet completed, effectively reserved for a period of time, which then are released back for sale if not purchased after a certain time.

Pure speculation in my part, but either way I guess if anyone wants this they should buy it now or risk waiting for a second printing.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Magnetica on 25 February, 2017, 08:28:36 PM
Hardback showing as out of stock again....
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 25 February, 2017, 09:32:09 PM


And it's in-stock, again.

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Timothy on 25 February, 2017, 11:24:49 PM
Now out again. Has anybody spotted it being shakeitallabout of stock yet?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Dash Decent on 26 February, 2017, 05:47:36 AM
Man, there hasn't been a volume in and out of stock like this since Judge Dredd Does the Hokey-Cokey.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 26 February, 2017, 10:37:57 AM


SOLD OUT
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 26 February, 2017, 12:53:41 PM
Its now showing as available again. Print - £23.99. Really not sure about ordering this now as I think it may be sold out and there is a glitch in the ordering system.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JaHawkDroid on 26 February, 2017, 10:03:07 PM
Sold out again. If it comes back in tomorrow I'm going to jump on.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: seanharry on 01 March, 2017, 04:14:50 PM
I would have loved to own The Last American in hardback, and never saw that it was available.

Gutted doesn't even cover it!

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: robprosser on 04 April, 2017, 11:00:28 AM
Just had an email telling me the hardback is on it's way!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 04 April, 2017, 06:49:50 PM
Ditto.  End of term Friday.  Know what I'm doing this weekend!!!!!!    :)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Magnetica on 05 April, 2017, 03:22:45 PM
So I have just received an email from Rebellion saying the special edition hardback is now on sale and encouraging me to buy it.

This is odd from two points of view.

1) I received an email yesterday saying my order of the same had been dispatched

and

2) as per the discussion a couple of weeks ago I thought it was sold out already - which seems to be the case on the 2000AD online shop
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Timothy on 05 April, 2017, 03:41:54 PM
If you click on the link in the email you will see that it leads nowhere. I assume there were a couple of last minute cancellations which were snapped up pretty sharpish when the email was sent. Has anybody got theirs yet?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 05 April, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
Yeah, that one had me scratching my head as well. Are these emails automated or something?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: robprosser on 07 April, 2017, 06:30:26 PM
No sign of it yet. Anyone else had their's?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steve Green on 07 April, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
Nope.

Thought it was turning up yesterday, but it was just a phishing DHL e-mail.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SIP on 07 April, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 April, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
Nope.

Thought it was turning up yesterday, but it was just a phishing DHL e-mail.

That's odd, I got a DHL email yesterday saying I would get  a delivery by the end of the day......and nothing ever appeared. Is this just a spam thing that's going on?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: moly on 08 April, 2017, 11:24:17 AM
So are these coming via Dhl ? Hope so as Royal Mail just came and no delivery
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 08 April, 2017, 03:42:46 PM
Quote from: CalHab on 05 April, 2017, 03:44:33 PM
Yeah, that one had me scratching my head as well. Are these emails automated or something?

I have a passing recollection of this happening with the fortieth anniversary prog.  Dispatch notice was a few days before the postage date when it finally pitched up quite a few days later.  I'm wondering if the notice is emailed out when the packing label is generated rather than when it is actually sent.

Quote from: moly on 08 April, 2017, 11:24:17 AM
So are these coming via Dhl ?

I think mine's coming via Macrahanish.  Never used to have these problems when Denise was running the show.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 08 April, 2017, 09:09:12 PM
Nothing turned up here yet after the email so it's back to amber mode for me until further notice. :|
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steve Green on 08 April, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: SIP on 07 April, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 April, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
Nope.

Thought it was turning up yesterday, but it was just a phishing DHL e-mail.

That's odd, I got a DHL email yesterday saying I would get  a delivery by the end of the day......and nothing ever appeared. Is this just a spam thing that's going on?

I thought it might be - seemed to want to run a script or something, so I never chanced it, and the tracking number given didn't show anything on the main DHL website.

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SIP on 08 April, 2017, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 April, 2017, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: SIP on 07 April, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 April, 2017, 06:41:14 PM
Nope.

Thought it was turning up yesterday, but it was just a phishing DHL e-mail.

That's odd, I got a DHL email yesterday saying I would get  a delivery by the end of the day......and nothing ever appeared. Is this just a spam thing that's going on?

I thought it might be - seemed to want to run a script or something, so I never chanced it, and the tracking number given didn't show anything on the main DHL website.

Exactly the same thing with me!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 10 April, 2017, 10:52:42 AM
My copy arrived this morning but without the A4 print or bookplate. I'm going assume for now these are being posted separately as happened with The Cursed Earth A3 print. Anyone know differently?

Thanks
Adrian

Edit. I've just sent an email to the 2000AD team to clarify this situation. I'll report back after they do.:)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Max Headroom on 10 April, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
Received my copy via Royal Mail this morning. Like 'SALMON63' it did not include the A4 print or bookplate (but i'm not that bothered as it was the book mainly I was after).
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: MrSibson on 10 April, 2017, 12:40:03 PM
No print or bookplate in mine as well.  :'(
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 10 April, 2017, 01:51:14 PM
Mine also arrived today minus bookplate and print. It seems odd that rebellion would send these out separately from the book...hopefully SALMON63 will hear from them soon and all will be well!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 10 April, 2017, 04:24:31 PM
Still waiting on this.  Not quite a week yet but not overly impressed considering the postage cost.  I can understand the A3 print being sent separately but the A4 print and bookplate?  The 10th Anniversary Case Files all came together.  Perhaps Rebellion need to rethink their distribution move.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Timothy on 10 April, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
Mine arrived today. No print or bookplate, but my it's a handsome book. Very glad that I went for the hardback option.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: moly on 10 April, 2017, 06:18:14 PM
Same for me book received but no print or bookplate
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 10 April, 2017, 07:27:53 PM
No response yet guys. Perhaps a few more enquires might get someone to get back to us?

Adrian
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 10 April, 2017, 07:46:39 PM
I just sent them a message. Fingers crossed..
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 10 April, 2017, 07:54:26 PM
Same for me.

One question, why the "special thanks to Chris Weston and Iain Snell" message on the title page? Do they have the original art or something?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 10 April, 2017, 08:05:42 PM
I believe Ian owns the b/w commission seen at the end of the gallery. No idea about Chris Weston ( must own artwork I guess?).
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 10 April, 2017, 08:19:01 PM
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steve Green on 11 April, 2017, 11:19:36 AM
Sure Chris said somewhere that it was a rare cover (convention image?) not original art.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 11 April, 2017, 11:21:57 AM
Having bookplate and print being delayed/missing is one thing but its a bit off that theres no official word..
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: robprosser on 11 April, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
Think yourselves lucky. My book's not turned up yet. :'(
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 11 April, 2017, 12:02:39 PM
Book plate and print are delayed slightly and should be sent out today apparently! Huzzah! All is well.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Spikes on 11 April, 2017, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: Steve Green on 11 April, 2017, 11:19:36 AM
Sure Chris said somewhere that it was a rare cover (convention image?) not original art.

Yes, it was the UKCAC pin up that Chris supplied a fresh scan for.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 11 April, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Book plate and print are delayed slightly and should be sent out today apparently! Huzzah! All is well. >>

Where did you get this information? I've emailed their contact address twice to deafening silence?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 11 April, 2017, 12:27:24 PM
A chap on fb 2000ad tat and chat group got this response: "I am sorry for the delay in getting the prints and bookplates posted out.  The initial plan was to send everything together, but unfortunately that did not happen. The prints and bookplates are starting to be posted out today (I would hope that all 200 leave the warehouse today), so it is my hope that you will receive them by Thursday, just before Easter. If they don't arrive by Thursday, I'm not sure if there is a postal delivery on Saturday, it could be Tuesday 18th when they arrive.

Again, apologies for this delay."
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 11 April, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 11 April, 2017, 11:28:07 AM
Think yourselves lucky. My book's not turned up yet. :'(

ditto.  I'm heading west later on this week, perhaps I should call in and enquire in person?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Molch-R on 11 April, 2017, 02:56:37 PM
Quote from: SALMON63 on 11 April, 2017, 12:23:03 PM
Where did you get this information? I've emailed their contact address twice to deafening silence?

Which email address have you been using, Adrian? We've doubled check and we've had no emails from you.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 11 April, 2017, 03:46:00 PM
The 2000AD website contact link. Under GET IN TOUCH. Sent my query and got an automated reply saying it would be looked into.

Adrian
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 11 April, 2017, 03:47:15 PM
Quote from: Molch-R on 11 April, 2017, 02:56:37 PM

Which address have you been using, ...

I think that is the same question a lot of us who ordered the book are asking.  Either that or how is it being sent?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 11 April, 2017, 03:48:33 PM
This was the automated response I got twice.


2000 AD
Thanks for contacting 2000 AD!
A member of the team will get back to you soon.
Thanks,
The 2000 AD Team
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 11 April, 2017, 03:55:43 PM
I got the same response.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 11 April, 2017, 04:09:33 PM
Sounds like there's a glitch at work? I just got an email from Oliver at support after he saw my comments on this thread. Said basically the prints/plates have all been posted today to hopefully arrive before Easter. This is the second time this has happened. The Cursed Earth limited edition arrived without the A3 poster. Understandable because of the size  'but' again no notification it was coming later or when. It's not rocket science.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Woolly on 11 April, 2017, 06:08:16 PM
Mine turned up yesterday (minus the prints, but that's no biggie).
Not very impressed with the postal packaging though - very thin card, taped up on one side that made opening the package a bit of a pain, and the bottom right corner of the hardback has taken a knock and is a bit squished.

Bit worried about how the prints are going to look when they arrive, to be honest.

That said, the hardback is a thing of beauty. Repro droids have done a great job, can't wait to give it a read!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 11 April, 2017, 07:02:44 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 11 April, 2017, 06:08:16 PM
Mine turned up yesterday (minus the prints, but that's no biggie).
Not very impressed with the postal packaging though - very thin card, taped up on one side that made opening the package a bit of a pain, and the bottom right corner of the hardback has taken a knock and is a bit squished.

Bit worried about how the prints are going to look when they arrive, to be honest.

That said, the hardback is a thing of beauty. Repro droids have done a great job, can't wait to give it a read!

Likewise mine was a little bashed. Nothing serious, but a shame for such a lovely thing.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: robprosser on 11 April, 2017, 07:17:05 PM
Still no sign of mine. I wonder if the book plate will arrive first?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 11 April, 2017, 09:05:44 PM
That said, the hardback is a thing of beauty. Repro droids have done a great job, can't wait to give it a read!

Well the jury is out on that too. Contrast this with the Com-X reprint and the original Epic comics and you'll see what I mean. There's a heavy magenta bias to the Rebellion book which is frankly losing alot of the delicate detail of Mick's work. I really hate to be picky but at £28 I think I've a right to at least point it out. Love the gallery though which makes this an essential purchase for the McMahon collector. I've been told that the Com-X files were used but that makes the difference all the more perplexing frankly.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tomwe on 12 April, 2017, 11:06:22 AM
No sign of my copy yet, got the shipping email back on the 4th. Hope SOMETHING turns up before the weekend.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 12 April, 2017, 01:04:06 PM
Quote from: SALMON63 on 11 April, 2017, 04:09:33 PM
the prints/plates have all been posted today to hopefully arrive before Easter.

Considering that it has taken over a week and there is still no sign of the book I would say that is bloody optimistic.  At current rate of progress it's looking like 'before Christmas' is more accurate. 
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: robprosser on 12 April, 2017, 02:55:16 PM
Still no sign! On the bright side the Dredd Cape and Cowl Crimes that the Book Depository dispatched on Saturday (2nd class post) has turned up.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: robprosser on 12 April, 2017, 02:57:17 PM
I don't learn though. I've just bought the One-Eyed Jack HC  :lol:
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Bojay1997 on 12 April, 2017, 03:25:45 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 12 April, 2017, 02:57:17 PM
I don't learn though. I've just bought the One-Eyed Jack HC  :lol:

I think it's just a bookplate edition, not hardcover. 
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: robprosser on 12 April, 2017, 03:34:42 PM
You're right!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Atreides on 12 April, 2017, 09:20:39 PM
Nothing yet... hope it wont become like with the 40th anniversary progs... ordered the 2 covers. Nothing shows up... thanks to oliver at the support i got the ezquerra cover later.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: robprosser on 13 April, 2017, 05:22:46 PM
STILL nothing!  Seriously pissed off now.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Woolly on 13 April, 2017, 05:46:12 PM
Quote from: robprosser on 13 April, 2017, 05:22:46 PM
STILL nothing!  Seriously pissed off now.

Mine was delivered by Royal Mail, so it might be worth calling your local post office to see if its there.

One of the things I deal with at work are missing Royal Mail parcels, and not everyone gets a card through the door. (or their parcel, even when it fits through a letterbox!) Worth a try.

Fingers crossed for you.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Woolly on 13 April, 2017, 05:52:40 PM
Quote from: SALMON63 on 11 April, 2017, 09:05:44 PM
That said, the hardback is a thing of beauty. Repro droids have done a great job, can't wait to give it a read!

Well the jury is out on that too. Contrast this with the Com-X reprint and the original Epic comics and you'll see what I mean. There's a heavy magenta bias to the Rebellion book which is frankly losing alot of the delicate detail of Mick's work.

I've only ever read one issue of The Last American, and it was an original printing.
Long, long time ago though.
Don't suppose there are any Com-X scans I can compare this edition to are they?

One other note - I noticed the spine has the 2000AD logo on it. Should that really be there? Or have I picked one nit too many?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: The Adventurer on 14 April, 2017, 07:08:42 AM
2000AD is the publisher, why wouldn't it be there? I presume it's on Scarlet Traces, Monster, and Misty too.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Woolly on 14 April, 2017, 07:35:55 AM
Surely its Rebellion who are the publishers?
I just find it a bit odd, as this wasn't published in the prog.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: JOE SOAP on 14 April, 2017, 09:07:53 AM
Quote from: The Adventurer on 14 April, 2017, 07:08:42 AM
2000AD is the publisher, why wouldn't it be there? I presume it's on Scarlet Traces, Monster, and Misty too.

I don't believe it does appear on Monster, Misty or the upcoming IPC reprints but Scarlet traces was published in the Megazine and now in 2000AD, so no reason it shouldn't appear. Not that I see much of an issue with it appearing on any of them.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Fungus on 14 April, 2017, 09:43:54 AM
It's on the Monster spine.
As the 'comic department' of Rebellion, that's not really odd.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Arkwright99 on 14 April, 2017, 11:38:43 AM
I had a dispatch email ten days ago to say my 'Last American HC' would be with me "shortly" but so far no sign of it. My 40th Anniversary 2nd printing prog arrived yesterday but was a little beat up which was disappointing (and unusual given the weekly prog normally arrives in good condition) so feeling a smidge peeved with the shop's delivery service at the moment. Still, what can you do about it. Not much, I guess.
Title: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: glassstanley on 14 April, 2017, 11:48:21 AM
Well, I forgot to cancel my amazon order when the h/b was announced. Amazon arrived yesterday, h/b still not here.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 14 April, 2017, 12:35:38 PM
Quote from: Arkwright99 on 14 April, 2017, 11:38:43 AM
so feeling a smidge peeved with the shop's delivery service at the moment. Still, what can you do about it. Not much, I guess.

I imagine if you reported the product as having arrived damaged, they'd send you a new one.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: IndigoPrime on 14 April, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
Quote from: Arkwright99 on 14 April, 2017, 11:38:43 AMMy 40th Anniversary 2nd printing prog arrived yesterday but was a little beat up which was disappointing (and unusual given the weekly prog normally arrives in good condition) so feeling a smidge peeved with the shop's delivery service at the moment. Still, what can you do about it. Not much, I guess.
Email them and they'll send a replacement. I've had a couple of duff orders from 2000 AD of late, neither of which were standard Progs, interestingly. The 2016 summer special arrived with a back cover torn away from the staples and a piece actually missing from said cover. I then got the 40th special, which had an indentation down the entire cover that corresponds with the envelope used to ship it in.

I asked for (and got) a replacement for the former, but wasn't fussed about the latter to the point of wanting another copy. Teething issues, perhaps. But, yeah, ping Oliver a line if you feel the condition of your purchase is not acceptable.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: The Adventurer on 14 April, 2017, 03:54:39 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 14 April, 2017, 07:35:55 AM
Surely its Rebellion who are the publishers?
I just find it a bit odd, as this wasn't published in the prog.

It's like DC Putting DC On all their books. Instead of the Warner Brothers shield, even though Warner is the parent company, DC is the publisher. Warner and Rebellion get noted in the copyright page, but the branding is the comics arm.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 14 April, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
Don't suppose there are any Com-X scans I can compare this edition to are they?

Here's a scan of pg 11 - compare with the book. You'll see how much darker the shadows are.

http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1131620
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 14 April, 2017, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: SALMON63 on 14 April, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
Here's a scan of pg 11 - compare with the book. You'll see how much darker the shadows are.

Has anyone asked Mick what he wanted the pages to look like? You're asserting that these are objectively worse when all we can definitively say is that the two editions are different and that you don't like the newer one.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Woolly on 14 April, 2017, 07:09:21 PM
Quote from: SALMON63 on 14 April, 2017, 04:17:12 PM
Don't suppose there are any Com-X scans I can compare this edition to are they?

Here's a scan of pg 11 - compare with the book. You'll see how much darker the shadows are.

http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=1131620

See what you mean. McMahon's scratchy colouring of the shadows is completely lost in the hardback.
As Jim says though, ultimately it's Mick's call. Be nice to hear his opinion on this edition.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 14 April, 2017, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: Woolly on 14 April, 2017, 07:09:21 PM
See what you mean. McMahon's scratchy colouring of the shadows is completely lost in the hardback.
As Jim says though, ultimately it's Mick's call. Be nice to hear his opinion on this edition.

This is the thing... Mick's a canny enough artist to know what repro will do to his art. It's well-established that his scratchy Slaine inks were a happy accident that he happened to like, so I hesitate to point to his originals and declare that this is how he intended the pages to look in print.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 14 April, 2017, 09:18:14 PM
I only linked to an original page because when I compared it to the Com-X reprint it was pretty closeb for comparison sake and considering that this new book used the same digital files I don't quite understand the considerable difference especially in the magenta tones. Not heard back from Mick yet as he's away on hols . I daresay either way he'll want his opinion kept private knowing the man .One unequivocable fact is that detail is muddied in the oversaturated blacks of the Rebellion book and I've yet to hear from an artist who likes details of their work obliterated like this.Have you?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: maryanddavid on 14 April, 2017, 10:06:11 PM
Might be if interest! An ad for the original series that appeared in Speakeasy in 1990.

(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/q86/s960x960/17918054_1165684930209669_8468016357549045920_o.jpg?oh=53a91906855056b5cb8dddf3a8e77b32&oe=59968E20)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 14 April, 2017, 10:38:50 PM
Quote from: SALMON63 on 14 April, 2017, 09:18:14 PM
I've yet to hear from an artist who likes details of their work obliterated like this.Have you?

Again. You don't like it, and that's fine. I don't accept that you can assert that this edition is objectively worse (or better, for that matter) based on your personal feeling. I haven't fished out my Com.X version of this, nor had time to go through the new version in any meaningful way, so I'm not arguing a side-by-side comparison just that--again--I don't think we can second guess what the artist expected the published art to look like. For all we know, Mick expected the blacks to fill in (cf, Terry Austin's rather famous inking of Ororo's nipple in an issue of X-Men, knowing the halftone he laid down would fill in on the press, only for higher quality reprints in later years to reveal the breasty in-joke).
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 14 April, 2017, 11:41:34 PM
The main reason that he didn't fill in the flat blacks with a brush is because he wanted a more textural feel to the final work so I find it highly unlikely Mick would be expecting all the shadows to become solid with not depth. He's still doesn't use a brush but prefers Edding finepoints or Italic pens to do the job. It's a very conscious deliberate move that I've discussed with him and one of the things i"m sure you'll agree makes his work unique.So I feel I'm basing my comments on something a little more than a preference wether it looks that way to you or not.Enjoy the book!

Adrian
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: moly on 15 April, 2017, 10:40:00 AM
Book plate and print delivered today
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 15 April, 2017, 10:43:48 AM
Same here! Print is lovely. Now to stick in the bookplate without buggering it up.:)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 15 April, 2017, 11:19:55 AM
... and here too.  Postage date is the same for the print and book so it looks like the system generates the email loon before posting.  Might be something to look at.  I'd rather have a 'we're preparing to send it but it might take a few more days' email than a 'it's in the post now, honest (fingers crossed)' email.  Would avoid premature missing post emails.  Plus the envelope they used leaves a lot to be desired.  I can see why some got dinged up in the post.

At a larger size than the com-x version, plus hardback it's been worth the purchase. Rebellion haven't included all of the image gallery that was in that version.  Not completely surprising as those were probably special commissions.  Plus the Gibbons and Ennis introductions have not been included, probably for the same reasons.

Bookplate signed by Mike M.  As Salmon says, now to figure out how to stick it in!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 15 April, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
You would have thought they would have just waited and put the bookplates in themselves.

I didn't order this particular one, as I wasn't a massive fan of the story, but personally I would rather have waited a week or so and got everything together.

I know I would also make a mess of the bookplate.
Title: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: glassstanley on 15 April, 2017, 11:33:27 AM
I'd ask what number everybody got, but in the spirit of this release, no one filled in the number on my book plate or print!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 15 April, 2017, 11:47:22 AM
I got ___ / 250. 

::)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 15 April, 2017, 11:47:35 AM
I like that Speakeasy advertisemant illustration alot. I actually think it was drawn when Mick started working on the project in the late 1980s. The shoulder cape has echoes of the sort worn in the American Civil War albeit it longer which suggests an early design concept. McMahon was ill for a number of years which stopped the project in it's tracks. Also that expressionist background flag is not a style I've seen him use anywhere else I can recall suggesting a different approach was in the air. All conjecture of course and I understand a colour version of this is out there somewhere - love to see it!? Could of been a nice addition to the Rebellion book's gallery actually.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 15 April, 2017, 11:52:11 AM
There's going to alot of 1/250 numbered bookplates out there! But seriously I'd of much prefered to wait for somebody to stick it in and number like on The Cursed Earth volume. This is the last special edition I'll be buying I'm afraid. I will of course support the regular retail books coming up  I fancy.:)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 15 April, 2017, 12:13:57 PM
This is a colour version of the image that Maryanddavid put up recently. Scan quality might not be great.

This is from my copy of Cadillacs & Dinosaurs #1, published by Epic Comics and cover dated November 1990. I had a lot of Epic Comics from that period so I knew I must have had a colour version somewhere.

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 15 April, 2017, 12:25:18 PM
Thankyou. Gotta say I don't think the colour background is by McMahon at all - only the drawing of Pilgrim. The drawing style of the character is very similar in style to the 1987 pin-up featured in the gallery of the Rebellion book. Much scratchier inked. So this ad has been created from a pre-production drawing I feel.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 15 April, 2017, 12:29:19 PM
Did McMahon do the colours as well as the art for the series? I cant remember now.

I have to say, looking at the scan, the background really does have a Bill Sienkiewicz feel to it. I don't think he would have done it as he was probably too big a name then but it does remind me of his art style at that time.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 15 April, 2017, 12:33:37 PM
Yes Mick produced full colour artwork for the series but not like this at all! I think the only thing he drew here is the figure - the rest is by an unknown hand - possibly Bill or someone aping his style. It's very nice but it doesn't say McMahon to me and I've seen damn near everything he's had printed. If someone can prove otherwise I'll gladly eat humble pie!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 15 April, 2017, 12:34:40 PM
I do *like* the bullet ridden title logo - wish they used it on the book!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 15 April, 2017, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: SALMON63 on 15 April, 2017, 10:43:48 AM
Same here! Print is lovely. Now to stick in the bookplate without buggering it up.:)

I'm moving this to the 'I'm a muppet' thread.  Just realised that the bookplate is a sticker!  Can we please have the face-palm emoji back!   ::)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tomwe on 15 April, 2017, 06:33:58 PM
Anyone else end up with two prints & plates? No numbers unfortunately 😕
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Mute77 on 15 April, 2017, 07:10:15 PM
Reckon my plate and print will come around tuesday, hopefully numbered. Not holding much hope of that though by the sounds of it. Seems like a bit of a cock up though the book itself is lovely.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: oshii on 16 April, 2017, 12:05:11 AM
Totally missed the hardback edition going on sale.  Arragh.

If anyone's changed their mind and what's to sell theirs, drop me a line.  Happy to pay the full cover price.
Title: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Arkwright99 on 16 April, 2017, 09:29:18 AM
Bookplate and art print were delivered yesterday but still no sign of the hardback book itself. To rub salt in the wound no-one could be arsed to number the plate & print? Have fired off an email expressing my dissatisfaction with the service. (Sorry to come off as 'entitled' but this operation has been pretty shoddily handled imo and takes the shine off what has been a long-hoped for project.)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Spikes on 16 April, 2017, 10:38:21 AM
Quote from: maryanddavid on 14 April, 2017, 10:06:11 PM
Might be if interest! An ad for the original series that appeared in Speakeasy in 1990.

(https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/q86/s960x960/17918054_1165684930209669_8468016357549045920_o.jpg?oh=53a91906855056b5cb8dddf3a8e77b32&oe=59968E20)

Very nice bit of art. Not sure If I've seen this before, but good to see it now.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Woolly on 16 April, 2017, 07:36:37 PM
Pleased to report that the print and bookplate turned up yesterday, in pristine condition.

Was nice to see both appear to be signed, don't really care that they're not numbered.
Haven't got the guts to attempt sticking the bookplate in though. Don't want to muck that up!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 17 April, 2017, 08:16:55 PM
Peel off backing paper and slap it on you wimp!

;)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steve Green on 17 April, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
He's still traumatised from peeling off biotronic stickers.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Darren Stephens on 17 April, 2017, 10:54:36 PM
My copy of this turned up last week, with my signed bookplate turning up today. Has to be one of my favourite limited run comics ever. The book itself is, as you'd expect, damn gorgeous. McMahons art throughout is just a joy, as is the story.

It's a cliche' to say it, but this book is as relevant today as it was all those years past.

One minor thing. I think the printing is very slightly off, colourwise, but if you'd not seen the original books I doubt you'd notice anything was out of the ordinary.

To summerise, this is a highly recommended volume, particularly if you haven't read it before.  ;)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: The Adventurer on 18 April, 2017, 12:06:34 AM
Quote from: Darren Stephens on 17 April, 2017, 10:54:36 PM

One minor thing. I think the printing is very slightly off, colourwise, but if you'd not seen the original books I doubt you'd notice anything was out of the ordinary.

Eh. I read the digital edition and all I could think of as I read it was 'these color look darker then they should be, I wonder if they were sourced from printed books rather then original art?'.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 18 April, 2017, 06:17:50 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 17 April, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
He's still traumatised from peeling off biotronic stickers.

<chortle>
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 18 April, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
Well, I feel a bit like the guy that can't say the letters T, F or S after receiving this email:

QuoteI am very sorry for the mistakes that have happened with your order of the special hardback edition of The Last American.  Due to human error these orders have been mishandled and I regret the confusion, disappointment and annoyance this will have caused. We have taken steps to ensure this does not happen again.

The bookplates and prints should not have been sent separately to the book and the bookplates should have been affixed inside the book in advance. We always over-produce the numbered bookplates so that if there are any damages we can replace a damaged copy. Unfortunately the spare bookplates were sent out instead of some of the numbered ones.

If you received either an unnumbered print or an unnumbered bookplate, please could you send me an email and we will correct the mistake. I am genuinely sorry the high standards we set ourselves have not been met.

In addition, to apologise for this error we will produce a new numbered print for The Last American and have it dispatched to you free of charge.

Please accept my apologies for the errors that have occurred for a book that we are otherwise very proud to have produced.

Sincerely, Oliver, 2000 AD Customer Support

You can't beat service like that.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 18 April, 2017, 12:09:43 PM
Eh. I read the digital edition and all I could think of as I read it was 'these color look darker then they should be, I wonder if they were sourced from printed books rather then original art?'.

If you look back on this thread I've made mention of this and been brought to task over it too. You are correct the printing isn't right. I was told the Com-X digital files were used to print from yet I find that difficult to believe as there is quite a marked difference between both books. Might be a printer issue. Anyway at least others are noticing now.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 18 April, 2017, 12:11:09 PM
You can't beat service like that.

No you can't. At least they've owned the cock-up and are trying to fix things which I appreciate.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Arkwright99 on 18 April, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
Quote from: Tjm86 on 18 April, 2017, 11:54:12 AM
Well, I feel a bit like the guy that can't say the letters T, F or S after receiving this email:

QuoteI am very sorry for the mistakes that have happened with your order of the special hardback edition of The Last American.  Due to human error these orders have been mishandled and I regret the confusion, disappointment and annoyance this will have caused. We have taken steps to ensure this does not happen again.

The bookplates and prints should not have been sent separately to the book and the bookplates should have been affixed inside the book in advance. We always over-produce the numbered bookplates so that if there are any damages we can replace a damaged copy. Unfortunately the spare bookplates were sent out instead of some of the numbered ones.

If you received either an unnumbered print or an unnumbered bookplate, please could you send me an email and we will correct the mistake. I am genuinely sorry the high standards we set ourselves have not been met.

In addition, to apologise for this error we will produce a new numbered print for The Last American and have it dispatched to you free of charge.

Please accept my apologies for the errors that have occurred for a book that we are otherwise very proud to have produced.

Sincerely, Oliver, 2000 AD Customer Support

You can't beat service like that.
Well, I got the exact same boilerplate response this morning as well so I'm less impressed as I don't know whether the fact I'm still waiting for my hardback to turn up has been noted or whether everyone who ordered the limited edition has been 'spammed' with this as damage control. I don't particularly care about getting a second numbered art print when I don't have the book I ordered. I can only hope that Royal Mail get around to delivering it to me 'some time' now Easter is out of the way.  :-\
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Arkwright99 on 20 April, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
Just wondering whether anyone else is still waiting for their hardback to be delivered or if it's just me?

Checked today at the delivery office (who are usually very reliable) and they confirmed that they're not holding any packages for me so I can only assume my book is lost in transit somewhere.  :(
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: jacob g on 20 April, 2017, 06:30:18 PM
Quote from: Arkwright99 on 20 April, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
Just wondering whether anyone else is still waiting for their hardback to be delivered or if it's just me?

It's not just you ;)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Atreides on 22 April, 2017, 07:43:53 PM
I got the print and bookplate yesterday, signed and no number...

Still no book yet...

Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: jacob g on 25 April, 2017, 09:07:50 AM
Bookplate and print arrived, heh, this is the first time when my postman didn't destroyed the envelope, so it's not that bad.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Arkwright99 on 28 April, 2017, 01:00:11 PM
Oliver emailed me last week to say they were sending out another TLA hardback to replace the first that never turned up; well, I'm pleased to report that the second copy arrived safely today, along with a second book plate (pre-stuck in the book) and a second signed art print; both unnumbered. So, all's well that ends well I guess but it was a bit of a palaver all in all really. Hopefully delivery of the One-Eyed Jack signed edition will be smoother.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: BPP on 28 April, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
Id put a bet that the background art in the advert was Ted McKeever who was doing Plastic Forks for Epic at the same time and the go to guy for a murkier take on Sienkiewicz at the time (there really weren't many folk producing art that looked that way color wise at the time).
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tony Angelino on 28 April, 2017, 06:19:48 PM
It could have been Ted McKeever. The other two I was thinking of were Jon J Muth or Kent Williams who had illustrated the Havok and Wolverine Meltdown series for Epic (albeit a few years earlier).
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Timothy on 02 May, 2017, 11:38:20 AM
My book arrived v quickly - and it's a joyous thing - but there is no sign of the bookplate or print yet. Should I be concerned?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Timothy on 02 May, 2017, 12:01:58 PM
Although on a positive note Luke Kirby turned up this morning.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: SALMON63 on 06 May, 2017, 10:41:52 AM
My new signed and numbered colour print has arrived!

3/250

An accompanying letter suggests I write this numbering on my bookplate which I've still not adhered to the book! :)

Adrian
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 06 May, 2017, 12:22:43 PM
Wondered when these would start to turn up.  So they aren't sending out replacement bookplates?  Makes sense I suppose.  I'd have just ended up sticking in my comix edition which I'm hanging onto for the expanded illustration gallery at the back.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tjm86 on 06 May, 2017, 02:42:16 PM
... and my print was waiting for me when I got home.  Tidy.  It is not the same as the original print which shouldn't come as a surprise but somehow does.  So actually we've ended up with two signed prints.  One of the cover, one of the last page of the series.  Rather civilised way of making up for a balls up.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Darren Stephens on 06 May, 2017, 05:11:29 PM
Got mine today, too. Very nice it is, too.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: jacob g on 10 May, 2017, 10:04:51 AM
And now I have two prints, bookplate, printed apology and still no comic book, heh ;)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Timothy on 11 May, 2017, 09:38:06 AM
I now have the full package - number 111 for those keeping count - and it is lovely. Out of curiosity does anybody know why this book has a barcode? I had assumed that it was for stock control purposes, but it seems that it is not unique to the hardback (scanning on the Amazon app brings up the paperback) and so would be of limited stock control use. Also, the Luke Kirby hardback has no barcode. Any ideas to satisfy a curious mind?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tomwe on 15 July, 2017, 07:08:49 PM
Ok, me and my mates are reading this book right now and I was wondering how it came about, especially at Epic. So many 2000AD artists and writers ended up at Vertigo at the time but this one went 'across the street'. I had a fuzzy memory of either Mick or Wagner talking about this on the Thrillcast but have struggled to find anything. Does anyone have an answer for me?
Cheers!
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 15 July, 2017, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 July, 2017, 07:08:49 PM
Ok, me and my mates are reading this book right now and I was wondering how it came about, especially at Epic. So many 2000AD artists and writers ended up at Vertigo at the time but this one went 'across the street'. I had a fuzzy memory of either Mick or Wagner talking about this on the Thrillcast but have struggled to find anything. Does anyone have an answer for me?
Cheers!

Because Last American was published in 1990 and Vertigo didn't exist until 1993?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tomwe on 15 July, 2017, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 15 July, 2017, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 July, 2017, 07:08:49 PM
Ok, me and my mates are reading this book right now and I was wondering how it came about, especially at Epic. So many 2000AD artists and writers ended up at Vertigo at the time but this one went 'across the street'. I had a fuzzy memory of either Mick or Wagner talking about this on the Thrillcast but have struggled to find anything. Does anyone have an answer for me?
Cheers!

Because Last American was published in 1990 and Vertigo didn't exist until 1993?

Alright, sematics aside, it didn't end up a Berger Book like Sandman, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing. All being made by UK writers poached by DC. Maybe the Creator Owned angle was stronger at Epic at the time.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Steven Sterlacchini on 15 July, 2017, 09:58:53 PM
Didn't Marshal Law originally appear via Epic as well?
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Jim_Campbell on 15 July, 2017, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 July, 2017, 08:42:17 PM

Alright, sematics aside, it didn't end up a Berger Book like Sandman, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing. All being made by UK writers poached by DC. Maybe the Creator Owned angle was stronger at Epic at the time.

For fuck's sake. That's not 'semantics'. The publisher you mention didn't EXIST until three years after the book was published.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Fungus on 15 July, 2017, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Steven Sterlacchini on 15 July, 2017, 09:58:53 PM
Didn't Marshal Law originally appear via Epic as well?

Sure it did. Light & Darkness War, too I think.
Plus Sienkewicz's Stray Toasters and a few things by the wonderful Ted McKeever.
A terrific imprint.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: CalHab on 16 July, 2017, 08:56:38 AM
And Nightbreed by Wagner, Grant and Baikie.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tomwe on 16 July, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 15 July, 2017, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 July, 2017, 08:42:17 PM

Alright, sematics aside, it didn't end up a Berger Book like Sandman, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing. All being made by UK writers poached by DC. Maybe the Creator Owned angle was stronger at Epic at the time.

For fuck's sake. That's not 'semantics'. The publisher you mention didn't EXIST until three years after the book was published.

Sorry, you are of course right. And maybe that's the rub too- no vertigo means no good terms for creator owned books at DC. But Sandman specifically was published with Gaiman's ownership prior to the name Vertigo being used, though it was based on an existing DC character.

All I'm trying to find out is why Mills, Kennedy, McMahon, Wagner & Grant chose Epic for their books. Were they courted or were they trying to break America? Or was it because of the problems with Creator's Rights at 2000AD at the time:

Again, no offence meant.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tomwe on 16 July, 2017, 02:30:22 PM
Quote from: Fungus on 15 July, 2017, 11:43:54 PM
Quote from: Steven Sterlacchini on 15 July, 2017, 09:58:53 PM
Didn't Marshal Law originally appear via Epic as well?

Sure it did. Light & Darkness War, too I think.
Plus Sienkewicz's Stray Toasters and a few things by the wonderful Ted McKeever.
A terrific imprint.
So I at least have some of my answer via backmatter in the Titan Comics HC edition of Light & Darkness War - Kennedy & Veitch came together at the introduction of Steven Bisette, and Veitch had been courted by Archie Goodwin.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: GordonR on 21 July, 2017, 04:43:27 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 16 July, 2017, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 15 July, 2017, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 July, 2017, 08:42:17 PM

Alright, sematics aside, it didn't end up a Berger Book like Sandman, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing. All being made by UK writers poached by DC. Maybe the Creator Owned angle was stronger at Epic at the time.

For fuck's sake. That's not 'semantics'. The publisher you mention didn't EXIST until three years after the book was published.

Sorry, you are of course right. And maybe that's the rub too- no vertigo means no good terms for creator owned books at DC. But Sandman specifically was published with Gaiman's ownership prior to the name Vertigo being used, though it was based on an existing DC character.

All I'm trying to find out is why Mills, Kennedy, McMahon, Wagner & Grant chose Epic for their books. Were they courted or were they trying to break America? Or was it because of the problems with Creator's Rights at 2000AD at the time:

Again, no offence meant.

Re: why Epic.

A lot of that generation of 2000AD talent had formed a good relationship with editor Margaret Clark at Marvel.  When she became an editor at Marvel's Epic imprint, they went there with their creator-owned projects.

Clark was originally going to be editor on Toxic - featuring a lot of the same UK names she'd worked with at Epic.  However, she pulled out of the arrangement late in the day, when she decided she didn't want to move to the UK.  Toxic launched more or less without an editor, setting the tone for the disaster it turned out to be.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Paul Moore on 21 July, 2017, 06:41:30 PM
I loved Epic at that time, and the old magazine that preceeded it, i only grudgingly moved my interest to vertigo when it folded. All i remember of Toxic was that it show promise but wasnt very cohesive (thatll be the lack of an editor then)
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Frank on 21 July, 2017, 07:22:37 PM
Quote from: Tomwe on 15 July, 2017, 08:42:17 PM
I was wondering how it came about, especially at Epic. So many 2000AD artists and writers ended up at Vertigo at the time but this one went 'across the street' ... it didn't end up a Berger Book like Sandman, Doom Patrol, Swamp Thing. All being made by UK writers poached by DC. Maybe the Creator Owned angle was stronger at Epic at the time.

Wagner and Grant wrote Detective Comics * and created Outcasts for DC.

DC flat out rejected their other pitches (The Bogie Man, Bob The Galactic Bum, and Genghis Grimtoad) **, and their work eschews the literary affectations that attracted Karen Berger to other British writers, so maybe Epic just represented the path of least resistance. ***


* Wagner left Grant to write Batman solo when disappointing royalties proved less rewarding than their UK page rate, and Outcasts editor Andy Helfer was so uncommunicative that Cam Kennedy was despatched to New York to ascertain whether DC still wanted the book. The experience inspired the Dredd story The Art Of Kenny Who? (477-479).

** After the difficulty of breaking in, DC created the Batman book Shadow Of The Bat specifically for Grant and Norm Breyfogle. Grant wrote The Demon and Lobo for DC, and reunited with Wagner for Bob The Galactic Bum and DC's short lived Legends Of The Law Judge Dredd title. Wagner gave DC/Paradox/Vertigo a few Batman one-offs, Chain Gang War, The Big Book Of Martyrs, and A History Of Violence.

*** Wagner and Grant were desperate to escape IPC, having fallen out with editorial and management. Presumably, they would have been happy to work both sides of the fence in the US, but the only other Marvel work I can think of them doing is some Punisher (and Spiderman?) one-shots.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Tomwe on 21 July, 2017, 09:40:04 PM
Wow thanks to Gordon & Frank for their posts, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Frank on 21 July, 2017, 10:43:32 PM
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I copied everything * from David Bishop's epic interview with Alan Grant in Megazines 266-268.

Tom's post got me thinking: if retaining copyright was their main reason for doing the project, I'm not sure the other half of the big two would have been an option.

Does anyone know if DC were letting creators retain copyright in the late eighties? They dangled ownership of Watchmen in front of Moore and Gibbons, then changed their minds.


* ... and forgot Wagner & Grant did Nightbreed for Epic - thanks, Cal-hab. They did Unamerican Gladiators, featuring Lobo and The Outsiders, for DC too.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: I, Cosh on 21 July, 2017, 11:42:59 PM
Metalzoic.
Title: Re: Rebellion To Reprint The Last American
Post by: Frank on 22 July, 2017, 01:34:05 AM
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Wish it was, but Metalzoic's DC property. On Eamonn's latest Megacity Book Club podcast (Leopard Of Lime Street), Keith Richardson talks about trying (and failing) to convince them to let Rebellion reprint it under license.

JOE SOAP points out that the progs where Metalzoic was reprinted carry disclaimers saying everything's copyright DC.