Day of Chaos 2: a.Covid-19 thread.

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

I suspect the current crisis, once over, will do nothing but harden the pro-nationalist message that is shaping the world. Self-Isolation will encourage national isolation since it is easy to say, and accurate, that globalisation helped in the spread of the disease. A virus from China that originated in Bats found the perfect host, human beings and its incubation period allowed it to flourish far beyond its natural habitat aided by Air Travel. Even in Europe, borders appeared, and that will inevitably lead to questions about the open border policy, ones that favour local or national control. Coronavirus is another nail in the coffin of the globalised world, and trust in others may prove misguided with panic buying leading to stores having to limit the amount people could take with them. It's going to be a very different world after all this, a less trusting one, despite the apparent goodwill of many. Trade will continue pretty much unaffected, but personal travel may be far more restricted than before COVID-19 struck.

[sheridan]

A virus from China that originated in Bats found the perfect host,

Is that true?  Last I head that was just one of the theories - didn't realise it had been confirmed.  Source?

[MacabreMagpie]

A virus from China that originated in Bats found the perfect host,

Is that true?  Last I head that was just one of the theories - didn't realise it had been confirmed.  Source?

I'd say "leading theory" rather than confirm. Not sure you really can confirm something like that.

"Scientists say it is highly likely that the virus came from bats but first passed through an intermediary animal in the same way that another coronavirus – the 2002 Sars outbreak – moved from horseshoe bats to cat-like civets before infecting humans."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/13/how-did-the-coronavirus-start-where-did-it-come-from-how-did-it-spread-humans-was-it-really-bats-pangolins-wuhan-animal-market

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

Well, here's the Lancet a Medical journal that sites China, Wuhan City as the likely source of the COVID-19 Outbreak.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30230-9/fulltext

[sheridan]

Well, here's the Lancet a Medical journal that sites China, Wuhan City as the likely source of the COVID-19 Outbreak.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30230-9/fulltext

No mention of bats at all in that article...

[IAMTHESYSTEM]

Well, here's the Lancet a Medical journal that sites China, Wuhan City as the likely source of the COVID-19 Outbreak.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30230-9/fulltext

No mention of bats at all in that article...

Here is the Science Daily that reports Bats may have been the host animals of the disease, but some intermediate host either Pangolians or some civets creature were other possible candidates for transmission. I read there were bushmeat markets involved that sold various animals as food.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm

 

[JOE SOAP]

How China's "Bat Woman" Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus

Wuhan-based virologist Shi Zhengli has identified dozens of deadly SARS-like viruses in bat caves, and she warns there are more out there


The genomic sequence of the virus—now officially called SARS-CoV-2 because it is related to the SARS pathogen—was 96 percent identical to that of a coronavirus the researchers had identified in horseshoe bats in Yunnan, they reported in a paper published last month in Nature. "It's crystal clear that bats, once again, are the natural reservoir," says Daszak, who was not involved in the study.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-chinas-bat-woman-hunted-down-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1//[url]

[shaolin_monkey]

This is a long read, but it's a great reminder of the lethal decision making of the UK government since January.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/04/11/a-national-scandal-a-timeline-of-the-uk-governments-woeful-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/

[Jim_Campbell]

It's quite hard not to conclude that the UK government realised that the public wouldn't wear 250-500K dead as the price for herd immunity and decided instead to say all the right things about changing policy, but not actually do any of them.

Meanwhile, the WHO is saying that recovering from the infection is no guarantee of immunity which makes the entire 'herd immunity' argument irrelevant.

[sheridan]

Coronavirus: One in five deaths now linked to virus

...but something-something about deaths from flu each year, or something (luckily that little misinformation campaign has stayed away from this forum).

[Funt Solo]

I assume the Tories liked the idea of "herd immunity", because it strongly implies that the populace are cattle.

I'm reminded of Griff Rhys-Jones (no, wait) Jacob Rees-Mogg and his (lies) that Glasgow had as high a death rate as the British concentration camps during the Boer War. He probably thinks it's true because he imagines Glasgow is a festering sore of scabies-ridden proletariat tenement dwellers. Scunthorpe.

[Tiplodocus]

I'm assuming that end of this, a simple comparison of average number of deaths in 2015 to 2019 compared to the same periods in 2020 will give us a pretty horrific picture of the true scale of this and the gross negligence of this in charge.

[sheridan]

I'm assuming that end of this, a simple comparison of average number of deaths in 2015 to 2019 compared to the same periods in 2020 will give us a pretty horrific picture of the true scale of this and the gross negligence of this in charge.

No need to wait.  The Office of National Statistics has you covered.

(I've highlighted a few key numbers)

The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 3 April 2020 (Week 14) was 16,387; this represents an increase of 5,246 deaths registered compared with the previous week (Week 13) and 6,082 more than the five-year average.
    Of the deaths registered in Week 14, 3,475 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", which was 21.2% of all deaths; this compares with 539 (4.8% of all deaths) in Week 13.
    In London, nearly half (46.6%) of deaths registered in Week 14 involved COVID-19; the West Midlands also had a high proportion of COVID-19 deaths, accounting for 22.1% of deaths registered in this region.

[shaolin_monkey]

Oh dear god. What has the Curious Orange done now?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-who-funding-white-house-press-briefing-today-coronavirus-a9465401.html

How much more insane can he get before someone takes him out?

[TordelBack]

You have to think that the UK's mortality figures are the purest example of statistical distortion in the service of outright lies.  About half of Ireland's C-19 total deaths - that's HALF OF ALL C-19 DEATHS for those down the back - are from Nursing Home/residential care environments (and that's set to rise dramatically, and it's a f**king disgrace).  But in the UK it's about 300 recorded Nursing Home deaths out of over 12,000 total?  Something simply isn't right there, and it has to be a deliberate distortion - or a calculated omission.