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Title: Honest Opinion
Post by: The Doctor Alt 8 on 05 July, 2017, 01:49:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lXRmmP6ejo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY0QCMhiZJc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p27FY5WKpbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjOHXtExrPc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lXRmmP6ejo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lG08Kb5_a0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKyXd_rmppw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMaXA0zFPJ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY0QCMhiZJc


The above are videos I made in secret of my drama group. Every time most of them sing... I squirm inside. Are they as bad as I think?
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: pauljholden on 05 July, 2017, 02:05:17 PM
This pretty bad form on your part (and IANAL, but potentially illegal)

-pj
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Steve Green on 05 July, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
What PJ said.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: The Doctor Alt 8 on 05 July, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
How else can I find out how bad/ good they are? They knew I was filming them.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Steve Green on 05 July, 2017, 02:50:37 PM
Quote from: The Doctor Alt 8 on 05 July, 2017, 02:39:24 PM
How else can I find out how bad/ good they are? They knew I was filming them.

'videos I made in secret'

Why does it matter to you?
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: JamesC on 05 July, 2017, 03:07:33 PM
I wouldn't worry about it being bad form - it's not really that big a deal is it? And I'm almost certain it's not illegal.

As for the performance - they're well out of time as much as anything. If they want other people to enjoy their work it may be worth getting a tough professional in to tighten them up a bit and cull the no-hopers.

Sounds a bit cruel I know - if they're just doing this for their own amusement let them get on with it.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Banners on 05 July, 2017, 03:17:41 PM
As someone with significant am-dram credentials—and as (I hope) a basically decent person—I find your posting of those videos quite reprehensible. I humbly suggest that in terms of respecting your colleagues and the sanctity of the rehearsal room, you take those videos down post-haste.

Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Tiplodocus on 05 July, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
Sorry to have to also wade in and suggest you take them down but I'd suggest you take them down.  It will do no good. It will get back to them. Not sure what you are trying to achieve.

And for a lot of am-dram groups or local choirs, it doesn't matter if they are objectively bad.  They are doing it for fun. And a lot of people come see them to support their chums and family.  So quite often the audience don't care if they are bad.  They might if they were charging £20 a ticket but that's not often the case for am-dram groups.

I thought our last panto was objectively bad; really bad. It made not a lick of sense. Do you know what? Nobody cared. Everybody, audience included had a great time.

Though I did boycott the one before that because I thought it was racist and fed that back and we seem to be getting improvements in that area.

So if you don't like it, say so. And suggest your gang gets some person in to help with their singing.  If they don't care, fine. If they take up your suggestion, even better.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: pauljholden on 05 July, 2017, 10:39:17 PM
Quote from: JamesC on 05 July, 2017, 03:07:33 PM
I wouldn't worry about it being bad form - it's not really that big a deal is it?
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We differ very significantly on this point.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: zombemybabynow on 06 July, 2017, 12:29:47 PM
Honest answer: mixed bag - voices seemed strongest during chorus / unison

But, agree - bit odd with the sneaky-sneaky - esspecially as watched this directly after an episode of chance - feeling a tad paranoid and sleazy now!
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: JayzusB.Christ on 06 July, 2017, 12:43:19 PM
Never been involved in the amdram scene, but I used to do amateur stand-up - I did some good slots and some bad ones, and generally liked being part of a little circle of amateur comedians who generally just enjoyed the practice and one another's company without being too big-headed or serious about things.

To get to the point, though, I wouldn't have been impressed to find that other members of the group were filming me so that strangers on the internet could assess my worth.  surely it would be better to suggest internet critiquing to the people being critiqued before you go and do it.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: sheridan on 06 July, 2017, 01:22:25 PM
My honest opinion is that you should never have secretly filmed people without their consent in a semi-private location and that you certainly shouldn't have posted them online.  To be honest, if I did something like that and was discovered I'd fully expect to be beaten up by the people I'd been filming, if not taken to court.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Woolly on 06 July, 2017, 06:23:21 PM
Do you have any videos of yourself singing that I can give my honest opinion of?
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: The Doctor Alt 8 on 07 July, 2017, 01:46:02 AM
 No. I know that I can't sing. So I don't sing. I wouldn't do it. I know my strengths and weaknesses.
and how can it be sneaky when they produce their own videos of their performance? And all I wanted was an honest independent opinion of their performance. I want to know an I wrong? Call they sing and I can't appreciate it? I dont say who the group is. I haven't named any one. can they sing or not? Just answer that please. Then I'll take it down.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: NapalmKev on 07 July, 2017, 06:22:29 AM
Quote from: The Doctor Alt 8 on 07 July, 2017, 01:46:02 AM

Can they sing and I can't appreciate it?


Can Barney from Napalm Death sing? What about Mongolian throat singing? Opera? It's all about the passion and enjoying what you are doing. I don't consider myself to be a very good singer but that doesn't stop me trying.

Quote from: The Doctor Alt 8 on 07 July, 2017, 01:46:02 AM

and how can it be sneaky when they produce their own videos of their performance?


Which they are aware of at the time of filming. What you have  done, by your own admission, is video them in secret and then post the videos on social media platforms. It's not good form, IMO.

Cheers


Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Eric Plumrose on 07 July, 2017, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: The Doctor Alt 8 on 07 July, 2017, 01:46:02 AM
I dont say who the group is.

Is this the same group that so exasperated you four years ago?
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Steve Green on 07 July, 2017, 08:33:10 AM
It says who the group is in the youtube video description.
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Banners on 07 July, 2017, 09:12:02 AM
Quote from: The Doctor Alt 8...all I wanted was an honest independent opinion of their performance.

If your group, collectively, and with justification, wanted feedback, you wouldn't do it like this. You would contact other local groups, maybe via the LTG or Noda, and ask someone appropriate to come along to a rehearsal. Or, you could invite an adjudicator from your regional association who would offer practical hands-on advice.

If that weren't possible, and you had to court feedback online, you would make a properly shot video with full knowledge of the company, and post it to somewhat more appropriate places.

But taking and posting these videos in the way you have seems to be an attempt to ridicule your friends, rather than to improve your performance. And despite that fact that yes, if people are paying money you have a duty to make a show as good as possible, you should respect your colleagues' motivations for performing, of which I have no doubt are genuine and well-intentioned.

(I seem to have a history of picking up on your posts and, sincerely, that is not my intention. But as I said upthread, being very much into am-dram – and thankful for all the opportunities it has given me – this particular indiscretion really sticks in the craw).
Title: Re: Honest Opinion
Post by: Fungus on 07 July, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
That's a whole load of Honest Opinions. Careful what you wish for...!

I watched 10 seconds of one randomly-chosen video. The girl was quite good, I enjoyed it more than I expected. Unflattering camera angle though. That's my opinion, not sure what you can do with it.