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Title: The origin of muties
Post by: Steve Green on 16 July, 2017, 11:56:03 PM
I got around to watching Logan tonight and noticed mutie being used as a term, and longing for a Stronty Dog feature - I was wondering who was the first writer to use it?

Was it used in older X-men comics, or any sci-fi before it cropped up in 2000AD?

Cheers

Steve
Title: Re: The origin of muties
Post by: sheridan on 17 July, 2017, 12:54:12 AM
Good question  - a quick google search reveals nothing of use.  There's a six-issue limited series from Marvel called Muties, but it's pretty recent.  The wikipedia page for muties redirects to mutant (Marvel Comics), but without actually featuring the word on the page.  So, er, no idea - anyone else?
Title: Re: The origin of muties
Post by: TordelBack on 17 July, 2017, 02:31:07 AM
Claremont was certainly using 'mutie' in the mid-80s X-Men as term of abuse.  Dunno how far back its X-use goes beyond that.
Title: Re: The origin of muties
Post by: SuperSurfer on 17 July, 2017, 02:31:29 AM
Kitty Pride flipped over the term "Mutie-lover" and compared that to use of the n-word in 'God Loves, Man Kills' by Claremont and Anderson of 1982. IIRC that was Marvel's first or second graphic novel.

(https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5ea158ff7e9118766024871d38d422d7-c)

Interesting article here:
http://www.cbr.com/you-go-your-way-and-i-go-mine-kitty-prydes-use-of-the-n-word/

And another quick bit of detective work comes up with the m-word being used in the X-Men by Lee and Kirby in the 1960s.
(http://images.sequart.org/images/five-stop-im-660x310.jpg)

Title: Re: The origin of muties
Post by: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2017, 02:38:17 AM
Robert Heinlein was using the contraction muties in the 1940's (http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780195305678.001.0001/acref-9780195305678-e-397) and in his novel Orphans of the Sky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans_of_the_Sky).

Title: Re: The origin of muties
Post by: TordelBack on 17 July, 2017, 02:42:38 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 17 July, 2017, 02:38:17 AM
Robert Heinlein was using the contraction muties in the 1940's (http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780195305678.001.0001/acref-9780195305678-e-397) and in his novel Orphans of the Sky (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphans_of_the_Sky).

Science Fiction Citations (http://www.jessesword.com/sf/search/?catchword=Mutie&search=Search) agrees, looks like Heinlein is the winner.
Title: Re: The origin of muties
Post by: Steve Green on 17 July, 2017, 08:14:34 AM
Cheers all,

I thought it might go back to novels, surprised it was that far though.