While strolling down memory lane today, revisiting those old Terran Trade Authority handbooks and associated artists, a few things surfaced which made me do a bit of a double-take...
I've probably been aware of these er, similarities, on some level for decades but seeing these images for the first time in a long time, just how obvious these swipes are came as a bit of a surprise, and as I spotted these in quick succession I'm sure there are more examples out there.
So, was Tharg aware? Attentive people might recall I posted previously* about my brother swiping an image from one of the TTA books (then combining it with a background from another) and managing to get Tharg to print it. First he received £5 and then, after being snitched on by other readers, a Rigellian Hotshot. The harsh nature of Tharg's reaction suggests a guilty conscience may have been involved... It's somewhat comical that readers and creators alike were swiping from the same sources, anyway.
I'd be interested in seeing any more similar examples if anyone has 'em; if I come across any more I'll post them here.
Right, on to the Street of Shame.
Joe Petagno: cover art was originally used for a 1979 printing of F. Paul Wilson's novel Healer but was also featured in Aliens in Space (Hamlyn, Galactic Encounters series)
(http://i.imgur.com/bDLlLIT.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/yPEKUQL.jpg)
The Mophioso: art by Ron Smith
(http://i.imgur.com/5ylvv5Z.jpg)
Tim White: cover art used for Robert Silverberg's Those Who Watch (1977 NEL edition)
(http://i.imgur.com/wQ7DXCu.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/HWs63CU.jpg)
Captain Skank's Calypso: art by Ron Smith
(http://i.imgur.com/o5TTiEs.jpg)
Tim White again (not certain where this was used but I think it was Omni in 1980)
(http://i.imgur.com/kp9JgzG.jpg)
Alan Davis: Harry Twenty on the Swiped Rock (1982)
(http://i.imgur.com/rdpKknJ.jpg)
* http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php?topic=28631.0
Image links have gone dead but here's a new one of Tharg's responses to swiping... "Only a grexnix would attempt to pass off somebody else's work as his own in the pages of my progs." Indeed, Green Bonce, indeed. I still can't get over the enthusiasm of those snitching Squaxx... If only they knew.
(http://i.imgur.com/LihNV5W.jpg)
Brilliant work Ming! For years I knew there was something familiar about Captain Skank's sea fortress, but I was thinking Millennium Falcon.
That High Rock design brings 'blatant' to a whole new level!
Mr Austin and a photo of Ms Shilleto, maybe?
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1zwjma1.jpg)
Wrong file, smiffy.
I can see this being an extremely enjoyable thread to keep popping into :thumbsup:
Wow that is some seriously interesting (not to mention entertaining) stuff! Cheers Ming! :thumbsup:
I just spotted this last week, hunting through some old progs. Mike Dorey obviously had some "Blake's 7" photos in his reference file, as demonstrated by "Psi-Testers" in prog 408:
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/Prog408clipgunpanel_zpsfc772561.jpg)
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/PDgun_zps7d4be39a.jpg)
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/scorpio1_zpsf397f578.jpg)
Oh grud, I loved those guns. The only scifi guns to ever look like real weapons that I'd ever seen. Even now they look so cool I can't stop drooling, and in comparison to the squeezy bottle and flex Liberator guns it was like Blake's 7 had suddenly grown a pair of supersize manplums.
This thread has the potential to be as much fun as Spinechat.
SBT
Yeah, I don't know about the gun thing, more a copy of a copy of a copy.
(http://publicgunandpawn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ChurchillHanSolo_MauserC96.jpg)
Quote from: smiffy on 30 October, 2013, 06:52:20 PM
Mr Austin and a photo of Ms Shilleto, maybe?
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1zwjma1.jpg)
Amazing! Although, not sure how you spotted that one in the first place! ;-)
Doesn't the intro to the Harry Twenty GN go on about how difficult it was to design the High Rock and how the artist had to make models to show GFD that what he wanted wasn't possible? Certainly not if the artist only wanted to, er ... Pay tribute to an Omni magazine,
I seem to remember a blatant rip of a stormtrooper in a back page poster - maybe a summer special?
Doesn't appear to be in any of the posters on Barney...
Quote from: Skullmo on 31 October, 2013, 07:32:35 AM
Amazing! Although, not sure how you spotted that one in the first place! ;-)
It was the two Tharg heads, they're a dead giveaway.
Quote from: Skullmo on 31 October, 2013, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: smiffy on 30 October, 2013, 06:52:20 PM
Mr Austin and a photo of Ms Shilleto, maybe?
Amazing! Although, not sure how you spotted that one in the first place! ;-)
Huh, I was reading that exact prog just the other night - #713. I did amire the cover as it is a great one although I always thought it was based on that girl out of the flashdance movie. I will never look at that cover in the same way again.
Mick Austin did some great covers but now I am starting to wonder what image he used as the basis of this one: :o :o :o
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/840.jpg)
Sigh - I used to own that cover :(
One of the early progs (under 30) has a zygomatic on it
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 31 October, 2013, 09:36:56 PM
One of the early progs (under 30) has a zygomatic on it
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/21.jpg)
(http://www.stickboydaily.com/images/2013/04/Top-10-TV-aliens-10.jpg)
Yup. Trevor Goring / Kev O'Neill, Prog 21.
I take it Steve Sampson is getting his own thread?
Quote from: BPP on 01 November, 2013, 01:25:17 AM
I take it Steve Sampson is getting his own thread?
The main point of the thread was to highlight lifting of specific character and technical designs rather than more general photo reference, but having said that...
Rondo
(http://i.imgur.com/B7i8bgx.jpg)
Bollo
(http://i.imgur.com/uSbfzUv.jpg)
Then again, within the context of this story it's perfectly sensible. Took me years to figure out who Rondo Hatton was, though.
I always enjoy it when he comes into a film, it takes me back to this story!
Quote from: ming on 01 November, 2013, 09:43:06 AM
Quote from: BPP on 01 November, 2013, 01:25:17 AM
I take it Steve Sampson is getting his own thread?
The main point of the thread was to highlight lifting of specific character and technical designs rather than more general photo reference
Eh? Can you explain that in context to the first post and differentiate it from the countless Steve Sampson swipes?
I think we need to see what it is/was that Mr Sampson swiped design wise (which is the thread) as opposed to Sampson's use of photo references for drawing/painting which is what it seems you're referring to...
Quote from: BPP on 01 November, 2013, 11:55:31 AM
Quote from: ming on 01 November, 2013, 09:43:06 AM
Quote from: BPP on 01 November, 2013, 01:25:17 AM
I take it Steve Sampson is getting his own thread?
The main point of the thread was to highlight lifting of specific character and technical designs rather than more general photo reference
Eh? Can you explain that in context to the first post and differentiate it from the countless Steve Sampson swipes?
Well, I'll try... In the first post I put up some examples of designs (alien, spacecraft / sub, orbiting prison) directly lifted for use in various strips in the Prog. This kind of things seems more interesting (to me, at least) than the use of photo-reference for random characters, which is presumably fairly common. Steve Sampson might feature more than most in that respect, I know - but is it very interesting? I called the thread
Sci-Fi Swipe Files as I thought spotting alien and spacecraft / tech designs lifted from other sources might be a bit of fun.
Quote from: ming on 01 November, 2013, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: BPP on 01 November, 2013, 11:55:31 AM
Quote from: ming on 01 November, 2013, 09:43:06 AM
Quote from: BPP on 01 November, 2013, 01:25:17 AM
I take it Steve Sampson is getting his own thread?
The main point of the thread was to highlight lifting of specific character and technical designs rather than more general photo reference
Eh? Can you explain that in context to the first post and differentiate it from the countless Steve Sampson swipes?
Well, I'll try... In the first post I put up some examples of designs (alien, spacecraft / sub, orbiting prison) directly lifted for use in various strips in the Prog. This kind of things seems more interesting (to me, at least) than the use of photo-reference for random characters, which is presumably fairly common. Steve Sampson might feature more than most in that respect, I know - but is it very interesting? I called the thread Sci-Fi Swipe Files as I thought spotting alien and spacecraft / tech designs lifted from other sources might be a bit of fun.
Except the Austin, Bolland posts etc are just photo references. Glad to have been the straw that broke the camels back, as Mr Sampson was with my mega subscription back in the day.
I don't know how you differentiate between, say Star Wars swiping existing guns (Mausers, Sterling Machine Guns for the stormtroopers) and similar being done in comics.
And it could go the other way as well - this looks rather similar to Mr Alpha's Westinghouse.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130322075760/nerfipedia/images/4/46/Nerf%2BN-Strike%2BElite%2BRough%2BCut%2B2x4-%2BPreview%2B02.jpg)
let's just post anything here that has inspired design or images - that cuts out the 'does it fit on the thread' debate.
However don't just say -so and so used references - Give a nice happy example that you have seen.
Simples.
Quote from: BPP on 02 November, 2013, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: ming on 01 November, 2013, 12:11:43 PM
Quote from: BPP on 01 November, 2013, 11:55:31 AM
Quote from: ming on 01 November, 2013, 09:43:06 AM
Quote from: BPP on 01 November, 2013, 01:25:17 AM
I take it Steve Sampson is getting his own thread?
The main point of the thread was to highlight lifting of specific character and technical designs rather than more general photo reference
Eh? Can you explain that in context to the first post and differentiate it from the countless Steve Sampson swipes?
Well, I'll try... In the first post I put up some examples of designs (alien, spacecraft / sub, orbiting prison) directly lifted for use in various strips in the Prog. This kind of things seems more interesting (to me, at least) than the use of photo-reference for random characters, which is presumably fairly common. Steve Sampson might feature more than most in that respect, I know - but is it very interesting? I called the thread Sci-Fi Swipe Files as I thought spotting alien and spacecraft / tech designs lifted from other sources might be a bit of fun.
Except the Austin, Bolland posts etc are just photo references. Glad to have been the straw that broke the camels back, as Mr Sampson was with my mega subscription back in the day.
So, your point is that you're the third person to misunderstand what the thread is about? I don't understand what it is that you think you've broken...but I'm picking up on some hostility here. :o
Horsetility . . . camels with broken backs . . . where will it all end!
Quote from: Skullmo on 02 November, 2013, 02:46:42 PM
Horsetility . . . camels with broken backs . . . where will it all end!
With an elephant in the room and a monkey on your back, mate. I too am unsure I've understood the point of the thread - does this count?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4305438.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4305438.stm)
Probably not but you've at least included an image (or link in this case) to illustrate your point! I like cats.
Ming, I'm sorry if I misunderstood what this thread was about. If a moderator wants to delete my post I'll not spit my dummy out.
The "chaos" symbol from Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion or multiverse books turns up in Nemesis. It's clearer more on the interior pages of the prog but you can see the symbol in the top righthand corner of the below cover.
(http://i44.tinypic.com/wly5cp.jpg)
(Off-topic but included in case it will make Ming's brother feel any better: There were a number of similarities between Nemesis and the Multiverse stories. From the Hawkmoon books, the traditional baddies (the Germans, the aliens) were the goodies and the traditonal goodies were the baddies (the British). The baddies (the Termites, the British) also wore face-covering helmets and masks. The whole "chaos" versus order thing runs through most if not all of the multiverse books. The Gothic Empire storyline (the steampunk aliens) also seems to be inspired in part by Moorcock's The Warlord of the Air (the first steampunk novel (people will try to tell you otherwise online), published in 1971, with its futuristic Victoriana technology and whatnot).)
I like the photo references
Love it - a few fine examples of Twothy art droids nicking other people's designs so they can finish early and go for a long oil break.
The Rondo Hatton was obviously not a "swipe", although pinching the gun design from Blake's 7 certainly is. There's photo reference and there's blatant theivery.
Found a better example of the Chaos badge on Mr Brood's CAF gallery: http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=923500&GSub=134078# Nemesis by Bryan Talbot; chaos shield by John Picacio.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/155t1t5.jpg)
I reckon the Venetians of the 16th century copied Nemesis.
(http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~durduran/master10.gif)
This 70s book about robots that I have and Little Mo from Ro-Busters
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/ScreenShot2013-11-04at011907_zpscdd87ba9.png)
There is a better picture of him in it but I can't find the book!
Skullmo, I've got that book somewhere. Most of the extra characters from the Robusters Rise and fall story are in there.
I seemed to remember that is the case - let's see some pictures :lol:
Quote from: Skullmo on 04 November, 2013, 08:32:37 AM
I seemed to remember that is the case - let's see some pictures :lol:
Great find! If you or Andy could dig that book out I'd love to see more...
There's a couple from Robots: Fact, Fiction and prediction
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/23rpm/img006.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/23rpm/media/img006.jpg.html)
Mo
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/23rpm/mo.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/23rpm/media/mo.jpg.html)
Gottlieb
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/23rpm/gottlieb.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/23rpm/media/gottlieb.jpg.html)
and Casey
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/23rpm/Casey.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/23rpm/media/Casey.jpg.html)
I'm also super sure I've seen Dr Feely-Good as a welding or medical robot in something.
Also has anyone mentioned the Matchbox K2001 Raider Command yet?
Wow, that is truly fantastic - never knew about any of that. Is that O'Neill, McMahon and Dorey all using the same Mills-supplied reference, or are the gang's looks established by just one of them? Thanks a million, AndyLee and Skullmo: da eyes of da movement truly are everywhere!
Meanwhile on Sauropod Vertebra Picture of the Week dino nerds are getting their vertebrae in a twist over:
"2000 AD's flagrantly plagiarised Brontosaurus"
"Like the recent Compsognathus, this is a card from the "Flesh" card-game that was printed across several progs (issues) of the comic 2000 AD in 1977. This one is from the back cover of Prog 10. (Click through the picture for the whole back cover.)
What's interesting about this one is how very flagrant a rip-off it is of Rudolph Zallinger's 1960 painting of Brontosaurus being attacked by Allosaurus:"
(http://svpow.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/2000ad-prog-10-back-cover-flesh-card-game-brontosaur.jpeg?w=480&h=316)
(http://svpow.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/1960-allosaurus-attacking-brontosaurus-by-rudolph-f-zallinger.jpg?w=480&h=342)
http://svpow.com/2012/10/18/2000-ads-flagrantly-plagiarised-brontosaurus/
My beef (or Flesh) with that card game is that I destroyed several good progs for it including IIRC that episode of a helmetless Dredd.
And if that's not enough, poor 2000AD gets outnerded for not sticking to the source material:
"2000 AD's bizarre fin-handed Compsognathus"
http://svpow.com/2012/10/02/2000ads-bizarre-fin-handed-compsognathus/
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 05 November, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
And if that's not enough, poor 2000AD gets outnerded for not sticking to the source material:
I read that differently - 2000AD
was sticking close to the source material, but the source material became outdated almost immediately.
Thanks for a new blog to follow, Surfer! That one is pure displacement gold.
And this thread is bearing wonderful fruit, well done all.
Those Ro-Busters robots are a joy to behold...
On similar lines:
Gargantua by Chris Foss; used as the cover to The Bicentennial Man, (Panther, 1978). Is it just me or does this bear more than a passing resemblance to Dave Gibbons and Pat Mills' perennial fan-favourite, Charlie, Hero of Northpool (first appeared in February 1979)? Note the presence of the ships being towed by Charlie's Gargantua's lower arms... Might be pure coincidence, of course!
Chris Foss
(http://i.imgur.com/v7uh885.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/piYFWUN.jpg)
Dave Gibbons
(http://i.imgur.com/85we2YV.jpg)
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 05 November, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
What's interesting about this one is how very flagrant a rip-off it is of Rudolph Zallinger's 1960 painting of Brontosaurus being attacked by Allosaurus
They say very flagrant a rip-off, Tharg says 'homage'.
Speaking of homages, I'm sure we've had a few variations on the 'people in the late night diner with the curved front' painting show up in the prog and meg.
Quote from: Dash Decent on 05 November, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
Speaking of homages, I'm sure we've had a few variations on the 'people in the late night diner with the curved front' painting show up in the prog and meg.
Aye, there's loads of art-homages. From this week's re-reading, Millais' Ophelia stands in for the dead Demi in Eurocrash (can't find a scan of the latter(:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/John_Everett_Millais_-_Ophelia_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg/800px-John_Everett_Millais_-_Ophelia_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg)
But I suspect all the artistic borrowings are conscious and explicit homages, intended to be recognised and appreciated as such. I doubt the same can be said for the Hero of Northpool!
Yes - there is difference between an artistic homage (that you want readers to spot), a swipe (that you want them to miss), photo referencing (to make things a bit more realistic), and copy of designs (make the incidental details more convincing).
Funny though, I think the Gibbons version is a better design, and the bodywork feels more like a functional machine.
Was very surprised to see the Robusters extras, but again I think there were improvements like Gottleib's striped bollard legs.
Remember this from a while back?
Another one from Ro-Busters, Dr Feely-Good.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/albion79uk/39db3e9a549f9018dfc4b8da74ed2438_zps3ccc00fd.jpg)
Quote from: Dash Decent on 05 November, 2013, 10:37:47 AM
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 05 November, 2013, 12:19:31 AM
What's interesting about this one is how very flagrant a rip-off it is of Rudolph Zallinger's 1960 painting of Brontosaurus being attacked by Allosaurus
They say very flagrant a rip-off, Tharg says 'homage'.
Speaking of homages, I'm sure we've had a few variations on the 'people in the late night diner with the curved front' painting show up in the prog and meg.
As if by magic:
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x32/scowling_monkey/null_zps9243a8fa.jpg)
Outlaw was clearly based on 2pac - who also has outlaw tattooed on his arm.
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/ScreenShot2013-11-06at014145_zps7c1a33c8.png)
(http://i1.cdnds.net/13/45/618x813/comics-2000-ad-prog-report-1857-1.jpg)
(http://www.dandare.info/history/books/virgin_dredd/dredd_silencer.jpg)
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 05 November, 2013, 11:38:47 PM
As if by magic:
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x32/scowling_monkey/null_zps9243a8fa.jpg)
Nighthawks by Hopper has to be one of the most referenced and homaged pieces of art in the comics field. There's countless examples of it being used... no I don't have any to hand you'll just have to trust me...
Quote from: Albion on 05 November, 2013, 11:25:16 PM
Remember this from a while back?
Another one from Ro-Busters, Dr Feely-Good.
Yes, thanks Albion. That's exactly the pic I was thinking of.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 06 November, 2013, 08:13:51 AM
Nighthawks by Hopper has to be one of the most referenced and homaged pieces of art in the comics field. There's countless examples of it being used... no I don't have any to hand you'll just have to trust me...
And not just in comics. And the same could be said for American Gothic.
Quote from: Albion on 05 November, 2013, 11:25:16 PM
Remember this from a while back?
Another one from Ro-Busters, Dr Feely-Good.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/albion79uk/39db3e9a549f9018dfc4b8da74ed2438_zps3ccc00fd.jpg)
Fantastic.
(http://2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/108.jpg)
Obligatory Land Raider / Matchbox K2001 Raider Command post.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/23rpm/raider1.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/23rpm/media/raider1.jpg.html)(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/23rpm/Dredd_0022.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/23rpm/media/Dredd_0022.jpg.html)
I think this was some kind of tie-in promo because there was a comp to win one in prog 80.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b363/23rpm/Dredd_AD-80-Page-10.jpg) (http://s23.photobucket.com/user/23rpm/media/Dredd_AD-80-Page-10.jpg.html)
Quote from: AndyLee on 06 November, 2013, 12:20:15 PM
Obligatory Land Raider / Matchbox K2001 Raider Command post.
I think this was some kind of tie-in promo because there was a comp to win one in prog 80.
As a kid in the 70's, being able to play with a toy of something from the pages of 2000AD was
such a joy...
Bolland quoted from an interview posted on David Bishop's blog:
"There was a toy tie-in – the Killdozer, it was a real story. They gave us this toy to draw it into the story. The script said I had to draw the Killdozer driving up the face of Mt Rushmore. There was no way this thing manage it, but I just drew what I was asked to do. It was going pretty much vertically. It didn't look very convincing to me, but there you go!"http://viciousimagery.blogspot.no/2007/02/28-days-of-2000-ad-24-brian-bolland-pt.html
Quote from: ming on 06 November, 2013, 01:10:36 PMThe script said I had to draw the Killdozer driving up the face of Mt Rushmore.... It didn't look very convincing to me, but there you go!
That's the Mt. Rushmore moved from the south-west of South Dakota to somewhere in Appalachia, folks!
Quote from: TordelBack on 06 November, 2013, 01:45:18 PMThat's the Mt. Rushmore moved from the south-west of South Dakota to somewhere in Appalachia, folks!
Well if they can move the White Cliffs of Dover to the Big Meg for a one-off*, I don't see why Mutie Rushmore should be a problem... :lol:
* If they made an appearance outside UnAmerican Graffiti, my brain doesn't know about it. Please advise.
They 'appeared' (as in I remember them being mentioned, I think :-\) in one of the radio plays!
Dr and Quinch
An excerpt from OC and Stiggs in National Lampoon
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/ScreenShot2013-11-07at022642_zpsd28083c9.png)
I don't know if you'd call it a swipe, but maybe an inspiration, good buddy! (Since we know Feek was inspired by something else)
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/worth-more-than-its-weight-in-gold--alberto-giacometti-sculpture-could-fetch-31m-at-sothebys-auction-8925213.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/worth-more-than-its-weight-in-gold--alberto-giacometti-sculpture-could-fetch-31m-at-sothebys-auction-8925213.html)
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 November, 2013, 09:35:13 AM
I don't know if you'd call it a swipe, but maybe an inspiration, good buddy! (Since we know Feek was inspired by something else)
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/worth-more-than-its-weight-in-gold--alberto-giacometti-sculpture-could-fetch-31m-at-sothebys-auction-8925213.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/worth-more-than-its-weight-in-gold--alberto-giacometti-sculpture-could-fetch-31m-at-sothebys-auction-8925213.html)
Hah, that's uncanny... :)
(http://i.imgur.com/EcAw1lY.jpg)
Quote from: ming on 07 November, 2013, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: Steve Green on 07 November, 2013, 09:35:13 AM
I don't know if you'd call it a swipe, but maybe an inspiration, good buddy! (Since we know Feek was inspired by something else)
Hah, that's uncanny... :)
That's Ace! Bum, tish. I'm here all week
What was Feek based on?
Can't be coincidence - shame we can't ask Massimo!
Quote from: Skullmo on 07 November, 2013, 02:28:32 AM
Dr and Quinch
An excerpt from OC and Stiggs in National Lampoon
(http://anagitationofmind.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/nloc_stiggs1.jpg)
Well if we're dragging out plotting 'influences' and the like, here's the plot outline from Roger Zelazny's 1969 novel, Damnation Alley, lifted from Wikipedia (bits in italics are mine, obviously). I'm sure you're all aware of this old chestnut but it always tickles me....
"The story opens in a post-apocalyptic Southern California [Mega-City Two], in a hellish world shattered by nuclear war decades before [Atom Wars]. Several police states have emerged in place of the former United States [Judges]. Hurricane-force winds above five hundred feet prevent any sort of air travel from one state to the next [The Death Belt], and sudden, violent, and unpredictable storms make day-to-day life a mini-hell. Hell Tanner [Spikes Harvey Rotten], an imprisoned killer [criminal biker], is offered a full pardon in exchange for taking on a suicide mission - a drive through "Damnation Alley" [The Cursed Earth] across a ruined America from Los Angeles to Boston [east coast to west coast] - as one of three vehicles attempting to deliver an urgently needed plague vaccine [K2001 Land Raider, Killdozer; 2T(Fru)T vaccine]."
(http://i.imgur.com/xugt7d1.jpg)
Quote from: ming on 07 November, 2013, 02:56:20 PM
Well if we're dragging out plotting 'influences' and the like, here's the plot outline from Roger Zelazny's 1969 novel, Damnation Alley, lifted from Wikipedia (bits in italics are mine, obviously). I'm sure you're all aware of this old chestnut but it always tickles me....
"The story opens in a post-apocalyptic Southern California [Mega-City Two], in a hellish world shattered by nuclear war decades before [Atom Wars]. Several police states have emerged in place of the former United States [Judges]. Hurricane-force winds above five hundred feet prevent any sort of air travel from one state to the next [The Death Belt], and sudden, violent, and unpredictable storms make day-to-day life a mini-hell. Hell Tanner [Spikes Harvey Rotten], an imprisoned killer [criminal biker], is offered a full pardon in exchange for taking on a suicide mission - a drive through "Damnation Alley" [The Cursed Earth] across a ruined America from Los Angeles to Boston [east coast to west coast] - as one of three vehicles attempting to deliver an urgently needed plague vaccine [K2001 Land Raider, Killdozer; 2T(Fru)T vaccine]."
(http://i.imgur.com/xugt7d1.jpg)
:o
Just...
:o
Wut!
:o
:lol: Brilliant!!
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 07 November, 2013, 02:58:46 PM
Quote from: ming on 07 November, 2013, 02:56:20 PM
Well if we're dragging out plotting 'influences' and the like, here's the plot outline from Roger Zelazny's 1969 novel, Damnation Alley, lifted from Wikipedia (bits in italics are mine, obviously). I'm sure you're all aware of this old chestnut but it always tickles me....
"The story opens in a post-apocalyptic Southern California [Mega-City Two], in a hellish world shattered by nuclear war decades before [Atom Wars]. Several police states have emerged in place of the former United States [Judges]. Hurricane-force winds above five hundred feet prevent any sort of air travel from one state to the next [The Death Belt], and sudden, violent, and unpredictable storms make day-to-day life a mini-hell. Hell Tanner [Spikes Harvey Rotten], an imprisoned killer [criminal biker], is offered a full pardon in exchange for taking on a suicide mission - a drive through "Damnation Alley" [The Cursed Earth] across a ruined America from Los Angeles to Boston [east coast to west coast] - as one of three vehicles attempting to deliver an urgently needed plague vaccine [K2001 Land Raider, Killdozer; 2T(Fru)T vaccine]."
(http://i.imgur.com/xugt7d1.jpg)
:o
Just...
:o
Wut!
:o
That's one crappy looking Land Raider.
The death belt is present and correct in that image though.
Quote from: ming on 07 November, 2013, 02:56:20 PM
"The story opens in a post-apocalyptic Southern California [Mega-City Two], in a hellish world shattered by nuclear war decades before [Atom Wars]. Several police states have emerged in place of the former United States [Judges]. Hurricane-force winds above five hundred feet prevent any sort of air travel from one state to the next [The Death Belt], and sudden, violent, and unpredictable storms make day-to-day life a mini-hell. Hell Tanner [Spikes Harvey Rotten], an imprisoned killer [criminal biker], is offered a full pardon in exchange for taking on a suicide mission - a drive through "Damnation Alley" [The Cursed Earth] across a ruined America from Los Angeles to Boston [east coast to west coast] - as one of three vehicles attempting to deliver an urgently needed plague vaccine [K2001 Land Raider, Killdozer; 2T(Fru)T vaccine].
Ah here! That takes the cake! Remind me to stop reading this thread :D
The Feek thing was inspired by a south/Central American statue I seem to recall.
If you've not all seen it there's a great (terrible) film version staring George Peppard (I think) and that bloke what was off of Airwolf (I think). It all there on Youtube and good heartly fun (nonsense)...
... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsKYJdHe4xo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsKYJdHe4xo)
QuoteThe Feek thing was inspired by a south/Central American statue I seem to recall.
Mictlantecuhtli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mictlantecuhtli), presumably...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/MictlantecuhtliByPhilKonstantin.jpg/220px-MictlantecuhtliByPhilKonstantin.jpg)
(http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/78/97478-004-1C7C76FF.jpg)
WOW!!
I love this thread.
If we're including plots, and tying in with another thread, I have a vague recollection (as most of them are these days) of our beloved weekly getting into some trouble for swiping the plot of an episode of 'The Twilight Zone'. Please correct me/fill in details as appropriate...
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 07 November, 2013, 06:26:51 PM
If we're including plots, and tying in with another thread, I have a vague recollection (as most of them are these days) of our beloved weekly getting into some trouble for swiping the plot of an episode of 'The Twilight Zone'. Please correct me/fill in details as appropriate...
Prog 302, 'The Pilgrim' (not actually a Future Shock) is very clearly 'A Hundred Yards Over the Rim', told in five pages without missing a thing. It appears to be a 'first thing pulled out of the Emergency Drawer' to replace that week's episode of Rogue Trooper, probably because the Ewins droid overheating after having to come up with 22 panels on a single page in prog 301.
There's also one based very closely on Frederik Pohl's 'The Tunnel Under The World', albeit entirely rewritten. And, of course, the one based on the Harry Harrison short story...
Judge Fire
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/skull_zps7df088c7.jpg)
And Judge Mortis
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/sheep_neonate_lat_800_zps4a257240.jpg)
Quote from: Skullmo on 07 November, 2013, 06:42:55 PM
Judge Fire
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/skull_zps7df088c7.jpg)
And Judge Mortis
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/sheep_neonate_lat_800_zps4a257240.jpg)
Genius! :lol:
Spam the thread, why don't you? ::)
That's not spam it's gold. GOLD!
Another blatant influence on Judge Fire. Coincidence? I don't think so
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwQCEu8pPc7xpLEb4-ixwEcEQWbK26581SLSgJoG_x9Kbk1SKt)
Yeah, well, just leave it at that and don't start on Judge Fish, okay? :lol:
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 07 November, 2013, 04:57:24 PM
QuoteThe Feek thing was inspired by a south/Central American statue I seem to recall.
Mictlantecuhtli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mictlantecuhtli), presumably...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/MictlantecuhtliByPhilKonstantin.jpg/220px-MictlantecuhtliByPhilKonstantin.jpg)(http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/78/97478-004-1C7C76FF.jpg)
Which I mentioned on John Wagner's facebook fan page (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151828929174613&set=a.431901729612.231093.22334044612) this very afternoon, when he mentioned the Ace Garp-a-like.
If I may desperately try to rescue the thread:
There was a Grant Morrison Future Shock about a letter travelling through time and space, that was a near word-for-word swipe from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The great, big, baldy, knighted old cheat
That's not a rescue, it's a corner at best!
I always thought Ace was inspired by the impossible man http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ff176.jpg But John Wagner said it was a Mask that they sent to Belardinelli for reference
This thread is brilliant, I really haven't come across any of these before. Particularly loving the prog 713 / Toni Shilleto connection. It was always one of my favourite covers when I was younger - now I know why! :D
Since this thread has become a purging of sorts.
PURGE! by Bruce Bezaire & Jose Oritz. Not posting it here but the complete story is in Creepy #73 (1975):
(http://imageshack.us/a/img5/2862/purge1.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img32/6704/purge2.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img39/3539/purge3.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img69/8932/purge4.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img856/3065/purge6.jpg)
Quote from: ming on 07 November, 2013, 02:56:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xugt7d1.jpg)
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 07 November, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
If you've not all seen it there's a great (terrible) film version staring George Peppard (I think) and that bloke what was off of Airwolf (I think). It all there on Youtube and good heartly fun (nonsense)...
... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsKYJdHe4xo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsKYJdHe4xo)
Its a right load of old crap really, but i do have a bit of a soft spot for it.
And i do keep meaning to track down a copy of the paperback, so thanks for the reminder guys!
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 07 November, 2013, 04:56:57 PM
If you've not all seen it there's a great (terrible) film version staring George Peppard (I think) and that bloke what was off of Airwolf (I think). It all there on Youtube and good heartly fun (nonsense)...
... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsKYJdHe4xo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsKYJdHe4xo)
I remember seeing this in my school days on tv and the next day we were talking about how bad it was and how the wheels on their Landraider type vehicle were ridiculous. Just had a quick look at that link and strangely enough it seems very watchable. But still crap.
Oh dear. It all comes down to personal taste but poor Eddie Jones was responsible for Little Stevie not reading a whole swag of books.
Fortunately Sphere saw fit to issue another edition with a proper Chris Foss cover:
(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1301/1470822101_9ea43624d5_z.jpg)
& what a cracking read it is too.
In no part due the fact that the whole thing plays out in your head drawn by McMahon & Bolland.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 November, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
PURGE! by Bruce Bezaire & Jose Oritz. Not posting it here but the complete story is in Creepy #73 (1975):
Lovely crisp scans there, Joe. One can almost see the naughty-naughties in question.
Ooo hello! This chap seems oddly familiar.
The phizog rings a bell...
(http://www.vintagetoysillustrated.com/vintagetoy/forsale/may/2011/RENWAL_THE_VISIBLE_MAN_INCREDIBLE_SCIENCE_ASSEMBLY_PROJECT_PLASTIC_MODEL_KIT_800_BOX_LID.JPG)
...but just can't put a finger on the name...
(http://www.vintagetoysillustrated.com/vintagetoy/forsale/september/2008/RENWAL_THE_VISIBLE_WOMAN_THE_VISIBLE_MAN_PLASTIC_MODEL_KITS.JPG)
Quote from: TordelBack on 08 November, 2013, 08:36:01 AM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 07 November, 2013, 08:58:45 PM
PURGE! by Bruce Bezaire & Jose Oritz. Not posting it here but the complete story is in Creepy #73 (1975):
Lovely crisp scans there, Joe. One can almost see the naughty-naughties in question.
Yeah, loving the unique style of Jose Ortiz - one of my fave artists from the early years. Distinctive, detailed and full of character!
Quote from: JamesC on 07 November, 2013, 03:42:37 PM
That's one crappy looking Land Raider.
It looks like the Little Engine that Could crossed with some metallic cockroaches.
The thread isn't just popular here. You've made the 'headlines'
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/08/friday-runaround-from-2000ad-swipes-to-kickstarter-scammers/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/11/08/friday-runaround-from-2000ad-swipes-to-kickstarter-scammers/)
Credit where its due though at least Rich Johnson is giving appropriate credit rather than just running the swipes as stuff he's come across... as he's been accused of before (maybe not with swipes but other stories... and maybe swipes I don't remember)
Wait.... Bleeding Cool SWIPE their swipes?!
Now, I don't have any images to share but this thread has raised a memory. When I was a kid I had a book called Spacecraft: 2000 to 2100 by Stuart Crowley.
The book came out in the late 70's and was full of amazing spaceship art. I remember it fondly. I'm pretty sure that some of the ships featured have appeared in the pages of 2000AD; at the very least I remember several ships from the book appearing in the original run of the VCs - bothe Geek ships and the VC's own vehicle IIRC - and I'm pretty sure there were some others. Is anyone else familiar with this book?
Quote from: Kudos on 08 November, 2013, 11:25:05 AMIs anyone else familiar with this book?
Read the post that started the thread... :)
As for the VCs ship, I don't remember seeing that anywhere other than the Prog but if you dig something up, please post it here!
Ah, I never made the "Terran Trade Authority" connection to the book I remember. It was a long time ago and I just remember it as a cool book full of spaceships. I'll have a look around the net for images now though.
So has 2000AD ever been pulled up on this kind of stuff then? Legally or otherwise?
I remember my indignance about the whole SOK!/Hardware thing, but now it seems the shoe is somewhat on the other foot, and may have been for quite some time! :o ;)
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 08 November, 2013, 12:59:45 PM
So has 2000AD ever been pulled up on this kind of stuff then? Legally or otherwise?
I remember my indignance about the whole SOK!/Hardware thing, but now it seems the shoe is somewhat on the other foot, and may have been for quite some time! :o ;)
I guess those Cursed Earth episodes count don't they?
Quote from: JamesC on 08 November, 2013, 01:04:28 PM
Quote from: shaolin_monkey on 08 November, 2013, 12:59:45 PM
So has 2000AD ever been pulled up on this kind of stuff then? Legally or otherwise?
I remember my indignance about the whole SOK!/Hardware thing, but now it seems the shoe is somewhat on the other foot, and may have been for quite some time! :o ;)
I guess those Cursed Earth episodes count don't they?
Well, yes, but what I'm wondering is if 2000AD got into trouble about the similarities, in much the same way the makers of Hardware did...?
Not about Damnation Alley, AFAIK.
Fleetway had a history of being inspired by pop culture.
Spinball/Death Game = Rollerball, Hookjaw = Jaws, MACH 1 = Six Million Dollar Man, Flesh = Valley of Gwangi.
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 November, 2013, 03:12:45 PM
Not about Damnation Alley, AFAIK.
Fleetway had a history of being inspired by pop culture.
Spinball/Death Game = Rollerball, Hookjaw = Jaws, MACH 1 = Six Million Dollar Man, Flesh = Valley of Gwangi.
And, of course, back then it was fine. Companies weren't so litigious- which is possibly why everyone was so surprised when McShitburgers got their foul-tasting fastfood knickers in a tizzy over Burger Wars and the Green Giant people weren't "Ho HO HOing" either.
I wonder if you could get away with that level of
rip-off er, parody, now under the laws concerning satire and fair usage? Could 2000AD run a "Cross Raptors" strip, for instance, that was blatantly based on Angry Birds? Or a "Pack 'em in" monster-collecting story with a little yellow shit called "Chickapoo"? Not as a one-off, or a satirical bad guy in Dredd, but as a whole new series, a la Hook Jaw. Hmm. Famously Lucasfilm told Tharg to cease and desist when he ran with the strapline "Star Wars" on a Rogue Trooper-themed cover a decade or so ago.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 08 November, 2013, 04:05:10 PMCompanies weren't so litigious- which is possibly why everyone was so surprised when McShitburgers got their foul-tasting fastfood knickers in a tizzy over Burger Wars and the Green Giant people weren't "Ho HO HOing" either.
I believe McDonalds were never involved or raised too much of an eyebrow; it was the owners of Jolly Green Giant - General Mills - that made all the threats and demanded a retraction. The Burger Wars episodes were withdrawn from future publication just in case.
QuoteI wonder if you could get away with that level of rip-off er, parody, now under the laws concerning satire and fair usage?
Only applies in the US where the laws are different, apparently, but the banned strips still can never be republished because under agreement Fleetway/IPC made a promise never to reprint them so they can't break it.
Quotebut the banned strips can never be republished because under agreement Fleetway/IPC made a promise never to reprint them
AHH, that was decades and several publishing owners ago. Can't Rebellion claim such an agreement was never actually signed and dare the other party to produce the actual paperwork to prove otherwise? (Or "try a Morrison", as I believe this is called in legal terms.)
Quote from: GordonR on 08 November, 2013, 04:36:56 PM
AHH, that was decades and several publishing owners ago. Can't Rebellion claim such an agreement was never actually signed and dare the other party to produce the actual paperwork to prove otherwise? (Or "try a Morrison", as I believe this is called in legal terms.)
The Jolly Green Giant never forgets and never forgives.
There are changes to parody laws in the UK being talked about.
http://www.worldipreview.com/article/uk-copyright-law-a-change-for-the-better (http://www.worldipreview.com/article/uk-copyright-law-a-change-for-the-better)
It would be great to see an Uncut Cursed Earth, but if it's not been reprinted in the states I'm not sure what difference the new guidelines would make over here.
The Arnold Shwarzenegger film "The Sixth Day" was on TV last night. I hadn't seen it before.
The story includes "RePets", a service offering clones of deceased pets. It reminded me of the pet resurrection service run by Dr. Icarus in the "Dredd vs Death" game. In both cases the treatments used on pets foreshadow something similar happening with people.
I think the movie came first but perhaps pet cloning/resurrection is a more common SF idea than I'm aware of.
Does anyone think The Rock Drill by Jacob Epstein looks like Nemesis?
In a similar vein to the Cursed Earth/Damnation Alley thing, I've mentioned on here the... debt that Meltdown Man owes to Cordwainer Smith's The Underpeople. It was nice to see Tom Tully acknowledge it in his introduction to the GN.
Quote from: pert on 23 November, 2013, 07:17:28 PM
Does anyone think The Rock Drill by Jacob Epstein looks like Nemesis?
Nahhh. It's Mad Ronn, innit?
(http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8453/7887132634_f53e457d78.jpg)
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/square_small/1/13925/294996-116592-mad-ronn.jpg)
QuoteCan't Rebellion claim such an agreement was never actually signed and dare the other party to produce the actual paperwork to prove otherwise?
Probably not really worth the hassle, would the few extra episodes shift that many more GN's of a 'really complete' Curded Earth?
QuoteTom Tully acknowledge it in his introduction to the GN.
Alan Hebden's introduction, not nitpicking, but more that this caught my eye, as a 'was Tully finally tracked down' moment
Quote from: maryanddavid on 24 November, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
QuoteCan't Rebellion claim such an agreement was never actually signed and dare the other party to produce the actual paperwork to prove otherwise?
Probably not really worth the hassle, would the few extra episodes shift that many more GN's of a 'really complete' Curded Earth?
I'd dearly love to see a complete Cursed Earth reprinted. Whether it would be worth the potential hassle, as youve said, is another matter.
I wonder if Rebellion have given this matter any thought?
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 November, 2013, 04:18:41 PM
I believe McDonalds were never involved or raised too much of an eyebrow
I wonder if that would remain true if those episodes were reprinted now?
Quote from: Judge Jack on 24 November, 2013, 01:31:48 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 November, 2013, 04:18:41 PM
I believe McDonalds were never involved or raised too much of an eyebrow
I wonder if that would remain true if those episodes were reprinted now?
I doubt McDonald's would be bothered.
Quote from: smiffy on 30 October, 2013, 06:52:20 PM
Mr Austin and a photo of Ms Shilleto, maybe?
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1zwjma1.jpg)
Any idea who she is?
Ms Shilleto, obviously! ;)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 November, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 24 November, 2013, 01:31:48 PM
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 08 November, 2013, 04:18:41 PM
I believe McDonalds were never involved or raised too much of an eyebrow
I wonder if that would remain true if those episodes were reprinted now?
I doubt McDonald's would be bothered.
Mmmm. If anything they seem, over the years, to be more inclined to clamp down hard on any perceived infringements/negative portrayals.
Or at best - like most global corporations, lack a sense of humour for any suchlike.
Quote from: Judge Jack on 24 November, 2013, 02:21:58 PM
Mmmm. If anything they seem, over the years, to be more inclined to clamp down hard on any perceived infringements/negative portrayals.
The only legal cases I've seen McDonalds take are against the competition or companies with similar branding. If anything they are very stealthy when it comes to criticism or lampooning– they took adavantage of
Super Size Me by placing an ad in the trailer pointing to a McDonalds sponsored 'debate' website and eventually turned the tables by promoting their slop as a 'healthy' alternative by adding a mass-produced anemic salad choice and snack wraps (knowing well that the vast majority of people never go to McDonalds just for the salads). McDonalds yearly revenue increased after that.
Ideally, if a newly released complete Cursed Earth collection with the banned episodes took-off, McDonalds would seize the chance to release a
Burger Wars Happy Meal with plastic toys and cardboard play-background.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 November, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Ideally,.... McDonalds would seize the chance to release a Burger Wars Happy Meal with plastic toys and cardboard play-background.
WANT!!
Quote from: malkymac on 24 November, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Any idea who she is?
Toni Shilleto.
Fine cheekbones. Classical jawline. Winning smile. Well worth referencing as a photo.
I googled her after reading this and could not find that image.
Which means it comes from Smiffy's private collection! :D
Quote from: smiffy on 24 November, 2013, 07:05:42 PM
Quote from: malkymac on 24 November, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Any idea who she is?
Toni Shilleto.
Fine cheekbones. Classical jawline. Winning smile. Well worth referencing as a photo.
Want.
Quote from: Skullmo on 25 November, 2013, 04:04:13 PM
I googled her after reading this and could not find that image.
Yea, don't imagine you were the only one! :lol:
I wonder if smiffy can upload all his pics to dropbox for us - just so that we can research any other pictures that have inspired covers!
:lol:
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 25 November, 2013, 06:48:41 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 25 November, 2013, 04:04:13 PM
I googled her after reading this and could not find that image.
Yea, don't imagine you were the only one! :lol:
Indeed. Found a nice one of her in a swimming pool though.
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 November, 2013, 07:37:25 PM
There are changes to parody laws in the UK being talked about.
http://www.worldipreview.com/article/uk-copyright-law-a-change-for-the-better (http://www.worldipreview.com/article/uk-copyright-law-a-change-for-the-better)
It would be great to see an Uncut Cursed Earth, but if it's not been reprinted in the states I'm not sure what difference the new guidelines would make over here.
Isn't this why we keep Canada?
joking :D
Quote from: Steve Green on 08 November, 2013, 07:37:25 PMThere are changes to parody laws in the UK being talked about.
Although most of this—including fair-use laws for format-shifting—have already been roundly rejected by the government, because they argue there's no case for it and it'll harm their rich chums' businesses.
Clearly the inspiration for Nikolai Dante! ::)
(http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p599/skullmo2000/dante_zps0c86d6c9.jpg)
Al's Baby:
(http://shop.2000adonline.com/images/product_full/als_baby.jpg)
FOX's Archer (TV Series):
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1462972_688383231180541_1523681731_n.png)
...Or is it just me that sees this?
Uhhh....
They're both referencing the same thing - the really, really famous magazine cover (was it Vanity Fair?) of a naked and heavily pregnant Demi Moore standing in that exact pose. (Sans gun, obviously...)
Ah... I had no idea.
Just googled it. I blame my age and lack of Vanity Fair for my stupidity.
Quote from: GordonR on 18 December, 2013, 12:15:16 PM
Uhhh....
They're both referencing the same thing - the really, really famous magazine cover (was it Vanity Fair?) of a naked and heavily pregnant Demi Moore standing in that exact pose. (Sans gun, obviously...)
(http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/hollywood/2011/08/demi-moore.jpg)
Yeah I saw that one, and a few others based on it too. The pensioner one is a bit grim...
Johnny Vegas also did a version for a Guardian feature.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 18 December, 2013, 12:33:12 PM
Johnny Vegas also did a version for a Guardian feature.
Nice... Haha.
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2011/09/22/article-1316698246956-0E0507B500000578-912690_465x547.jpg)
JESUS! HAHAHA
This just came up in discussion on the FB art group... The classic Gary Rice / Brett Ewins Future Shock from Prog 206, 'The Last Man' bears a striking resemblance to a story published in Heavy Metal the very same month (April 1981). As detailed in the blog linked to below, "'Good-bye, Soldier !', written by Ricardo Barreiro, with distinctive black and white art by Juan Giminez".
Anyone know whether this was printed in French earlier in Metal Hurlant?
(http://i.imgur.com/HNV18rf.jpg)
You can see the whole story via the link below; too similar to be a coincidence, although Brett's visuals for the ending are unbeatable...
http://theporporbooksblog.blogspot.no/2011/04/heavy-metal-magazine-april-1981-heavy.html
And in live action
http://vimeo.com/16838477 (http://vimeo.com/16838477)
Quote from: ming on 16 March, 2014, 08:56:52 PM
This just came up in discussion on the FB art group... The classic Gary Rice / Brett Ewins Future Shock from Prog 206, 'The Last Man' bears a striking resemblance to a story published in Heavy Metal the very same month (April 1981). As detailed in the blog linked to below, "'Good-bye, Soldier !', written by Ricardo Barreiro, with distinctive black and white art by Juan Giminez".
Anyone know whether this was printed in French earlier in Metal Hurlant?
(http://i.imgur.com/HNV18rf.jpg)
You can see the whole story via the link below; too similar to be a coincidence, although Brett's visuals for the ending are unbeatable...
http://theporporbooksblog.blogspot.no/2011/04/heavy-metal-magazine-april-1981-heavy.html
any chance of putting up (or linking to)the future shock?
Cheers.
Here's one that's been bothering me for a while...
Radio Times, August 1975, Frank Bellamy illustrates the upcoming 'Terror of the Zygons'
(http://i.imgur.com/jXCHA5t.jpg)
...then hey presto, Trevor Goring produces the cover of Prog 38...
(http://i.imgur.com/lkQ0Inw.jpg)
Coincidence? I don't think so, Trevor! :)
Quote from: Call-Me-Kenneth on 16 March, 2014, 09:39:43 PM
Quote from: ming on 16 March, 2014, 08:56:52 PM
This just came up in discussion on the FB art group... The classic Gary Rice / Brett Ewins Future Shock from Prog 206, 'The Last Man' bears a striking resemblance to a story published in Heavy Metal the very same month (April 1981). As detailed in the blog linked to below, "'Good-bye, Soldier !', written by Ricardo Barreiro, with distinctive black and white art by Juan Giminez".
Anyone know whether this was printed in French earlier in Metal Hurlant?
(http://i.imgur.com/HNV18rf.jpg)
If you just google "the last man brett ewins" it's the first 3 images (not in order)
You can see the whole story via the link below; too similar to be a coincidence, although Brett's visuals for the ending are unbeatable...
http://theporporbooksblog.blogspot.no/2011/04/heavy-metal-magazine-april-1981-heavy.html
any chance of putting up (or linking to)the future shock?
Cheers.
Quote from: Call-Me-Kenneth on 16 March, 2014, 09:39:43 PMany chance of putting up (or linking to)the future shock?
Well, here's the first page...
(http://i.imgur.com/orcNDOr.png)
Quote from: ming on 16 March, 2014, 08:56:52 PM
This just came up in discussion on the FB art group... The classic Gary Rice / Brett Ewins Future Shock from Prog 206, 'The Last Man' bears a striking resemblance to a story published in Heavy Metal the very same month (April 1981). As detailed in the blog linked to below, "'Good-bye, Soldier !', written by Ricardo Barreiro, with distinctive black and white art by Juan Giminez".
Anyone know whether this was printed in French earlier in Metal Hurlant?
(http://i.imgur.com/HNV18rf.jpg)
You can see the whole story via the link below; too similar to be a coincidence, although Brett's visuals for the ending are unbeatable...
http://theporporbooksblog.blogspot.no/2011/04/heavy-metal-magazine-april-1981-heavy.html
Love that story! I had it in a best of Heavy Metal collection.
Weird, I meant to say if you google "Brett Ewins Last Man" it pops up in the image search.
One more? Again, Tim White - the High Rock, Carib and now - Battak? The book cover dates from 1979, I think - the same year as the 2000AD debut for Black Hawk.
(http://i.imgur.com/1rHWH18.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NpXbonZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XrHFXRu.jpg)
...and revisiting the Tim White swipe from page one, I just stumbled on this issue of Omni from 1980 - Harry Twenty appeared in 1982).
(http://i.imgur.com/vtxojww.jpg)
I wonder what the incredible human carrot was!
Oh that High Rock is disappointing.
Wait a minute - what is the correct response to this....? :)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 24 November, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Quote from: Judge Jack on 24 November, 2013, 02:21:58 PM
Mmmm. If anything they seem, over the years, to be more inclined to clamp down hard on any perceived infringements/negative portrayals.
The only legal cases I've seen McDonalds take are against the competition or companies with similar branding. If anything they are very stealthy when it comes to criticism or lampooning– they took adavantage of Super Size Me by placing an ad in the trailer pointing to a McDonalds sponsored 'debate' website and eventually turned the tables by promoting their slop as a 'healthy' alternative by adding a mass-produced anemic salad choice and snack wraps (knowing well that the vast majority of people never go to McDonalds just for the salads). McDonalds yearly revenue increased after that.
What about the infamous McLibel case that dragged on for years?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case
I seem to remember Alan Moore prohibited Titan from reprinting the second Abelard Snazz story on the grounds that he'd unconsciously plagiarised it from a short story by R.A. Lafferty. (Presumably he didn't notice that 'Doctor Dibworthy's Disappointing Day' - which Titan did reprint - is basically a stripped-to-the-basics take on Lafferty's 'Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne'.)
Quote from: The Corinthian on 29 March, 2014, 06:41:32 PM
I seem to remember Alan Moore prohibited Titan from reprinting the second Abelard Snazz story on the grounds that he'd unconsciously plagiarised it from a short story by R.A. Lafferty. (Presumably he didn't notice that 'Doctor Dibworthy's Disappointing Day' - which Titan did reprint - is basically a stripped-to-the-basics take on Lafferty's 'Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne'.)
I don't recall
Titan reprinting
Doctor Dibworthy's Disappointing Day but rather
The Disturbed Digestions of Doctor Dibworthy but
Rebellion did reprint all
Snazz and
Dibworthy stories.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 March, 2014, 06:46:49 PM
Quote from: The Corinthian on 29 March, 2014, 06:41:32 PM
I seem to remember Alan Moore prohibited Titan from reprinting the second Abelard Snazz story on the grounds that he'd unconsciously plagiarised it from a short story by R.A. Lafferty. (Presumably he didn't notice that 'Doctor Dibworthy's Disappointing Day' - which Titan did reprint - is basically a stripped-to-the-basics take on Lafferty's 'Thus We Frustrate Charlemagne'.)
I don't recall Titan reprinting Doctor Dibworthy's Disappointing Day but rather The Disturbed Digestions of Doctor Dibworthy but Rebellion did reprint all Snazz and Dibworthy stories.
I'm almost certainly mis-remembering which Dibworthy Titan reprinted; maybe Moore thought he'd plagiarised* the Disappointing Day as well but just never got round to saying so in public.
(* Just to clarify, I'm not accusing him of this; I think Lafferty was probably an influence but there's a difference between that and outright theft.)
(http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff387/gypsum23/1978-10-112_zps26471da8.jpg)
From Omni Magazine issue 1, 1978.
The one the left looks familiar.
Thinking about that picture, I'm not sure which came first. Was it swiped or the swiper?
Any takers?
Quote from: Gypsum on 06 August, 2014, 02:54:37 PM
Thinking about that picture, I'm not sure which came first. Was it swiped or the swiper?
The first episode of Robusters appeared in Starlord in May 1978 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlord), and that issue of Omni hit the racks in October 1978 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni_%28magazine%29) - the same time as the final issue of Starlord and its merger with 2000ad. I'm assuming Mek-Quake featured in the Starlord episodes of Robusters, which would mean Kev O'Neill's design appeared in print first.
Quote from: sauchie post office on 06 August, 2014, 03:02:29 PM
Quote from: Gypsum on 06 August, 2014, 02:54:37 PM
Thinking about that picture, I'm not sure which came first. Was it swiped or the swiper?
The first episode of Robusters appeared in Starlord in May 1978 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlord), and that issue of Omni hit the racks in October 1978 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omni_%28magazine%29) - the same time as the final issue of Starlord and its merger with 2000ad. I'm assuming Mek-Quake featured in the Starlord episodes of Robusters, which would mean Kev O'Neill's design appeared in print first.
Mek-Quake is indeed in most of the Starlord episodes (including the earliest). The cover to Mek-Memoirs fom 1976 has an even earlier proto-Mek Quake byO'Neill.
(http://www.djfood.org/djfood/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/mek_memoirs-cover.jpg)
I love this thread
Quote from: Gypsum on 06 August, 2014, 02:54:37 PM
Thinking about that picture, I'm not sure which came first. Was it swiped or the swiper?
Any takers?
Is the artist for that painting
Angus McKie?
I had thought it had been used in one of the TTA books, but on digging the books out, its not the same, but does share some similarities. (The TTA book is from '79, btw.)
(http://i.imgur.com/HB3gNEI.jpg)
TTA was famous for using images that had been around for a good few years previous, so unless it was commissioned directly for use in that issue of Omni, its kinda hard to date - well, without an artists name, etc..
QuoteIs the artist for that painting Angus McKie?
Yes it is
reminded me a bit of chris foss.
Quote from: Spikes on 06 August, 2014, 05:44:02 PM
Is the artist for that painting Angus McKie?
I had thought it had been used in one of the TTA books, but on digging the books out, its not the same, but does share some similarities. (The TTA book is from '79, btw.)
(http://i.imgur.com/HB3gNEI.jpg)
TTA was famous for using images that had been around for a good few years previous, so unless it was commissioned directly for use in that issue of Omni, its kinda hard to date - well, without an artists name, etc..
I think I used to own that book... or my brother did. I really remember that picture? What's the cover if you don't mind me asking?
The book in question is Great Space Battles. Click on the linky for a look (http://www.terrantradeauthority.com/tta-books-2/great-space-battles/)
Ha! That's the fella. We had another similar book which had schematic type things of space craft (I think) with those sort of Chris Foss pictures that was great too.
Quote from: Gypsum on 06 August, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
QuoteIs the artist for that painting Angus McKie?
Yes it is
The same Angus McKie who coloured Gibbons on
Give Me Liberty and taught Brian Bolland how to draw on the computer? UK comics are like the Laurel Canyon music scene, aren't they?
Quote from: sauchie post office on 07 August, 2014, 06:47:17 AM
Quote from: Gypsum on 06 August, 2014, 06:18:02 PM
QuoteIs the artist for that painting Angus McKie?
Yes it is
The same Angus McKie who coloured Gibbons on Give Me Liberty and taught Brian Bolland how to draw on the computer? UK comics are like the Laurel Canyon music scene, aren't they?
Angus McKie has also had a few colouring gigs for Tharg over the years...
http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=droid&page=profiles&choice=ANGUSM
Mr McNeil saluted by the Guriardian?
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/1/1406898845276/The-Guide-cover-001.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o0H5SdZtXHs/TMGjFkTnPTI/AAAAAAAAAAY/8f_xqHvYZcQ/S220/hiex-adimage-CM%5B2%5Dweb.jpg)
Quote from: Proudhuff on 11 August, 2014, 11:17:40 AM
Mr McNeil saluted by the Guriardian?
Are you referring to the image below?
(http://i.imgur.com/nGLdbpn.jpg)
trying to... :-[
Quote from: Proudhuff on 11 August, 2014, 02:16:29 PM
trying to... :-[
Well, I instantly knew what you were on about and I imagine most others would as well (or should).
:)
Lesson below:
MacNeil should do all the posters.
Not just for Ediburgh Fringe but FOR
EVERYTHING
EVER
Pulp magazine cover used for a recent Leigh Brackett collection:
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/MarsAmazon_zps73653dac.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/MarsAmazon_zps73653dac.jpg.html)
From the Time Twister 'Avenging Kong meets Laurel and Hardy', prog 313:
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Kong_zps99f3f75a.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Kong_zps99f3f75a.jpg.html)
Amazing spot, Lobo! And what a great cover.
Quote from: Official Hawkeye Pierce Action Figure on 25 August, 2014, 03:01:23 PM
Amazing spot, Lobo! And what a great cover.
What he said.
That's a great find and a wonderful addition to what's become a rather fascinating thread!
:)
Quote from: Official Hawkeye Pierce Action Figure on 25 August, 2014, 03:01:23 PM
And what a great cover.
It is, isn't it?
Although - a fierce looking woman clad entirely in armour standing in front of a large chested man wearing only some leather straps, his face contorted in fear... truly, Mars is a world of madness! Madness, I tell 'ee!
Also, they're both facing to the left. No one can face to the left, it's just impossible.
Fourthed, although the redhead with the tumbling locks in the original is a pretty obvious Rita Hayworth swipe:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ADsTVFn-cho/USO3wEw9PpI/AAAAAAAAJEM/ihOLRze8p9c/s1600/gildahairflip.gif)
Is there owt that appeared in the prog that wasn't plundered from somewhere else!?! ;)
Quote from: Spikes on 25 August, 2014, 05:07:48 PM
Is there owt that appeared in the prog that wasn't plundered from somewhere else!?! ;)
Trash.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 06 August, 2014, 09:51:48 PM
Quote from: Spikes on 06 August, 2014, 05:44:02 PM
Is the artist for that painting Angus McKie?
I had thought it had been used in one of the TTA books, but on digging the books out, its not the same, but does share some similarities. (The TTA book is from '79, btw.)
(http://i.imgur.com/HB3gNEI.jpg)
TTA was famous for using images that had been around for a good few years previous, so unless it was commissioned directly for use in that issue of Omni, its kinda hard to date - well, without an artists name, etc..
I think I used to own that book... or my brother did. I really remember that picture? What's the cover if you don't mind me asking?
A personal fave and the first place I saw it.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag70/japandroid/hmmar79_zpsc1ba51ef.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/japandroid/media/hmmar79_zpsc1ba51ef.jpg.html)
Quote from: malkymac on 24 November, 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Quote from: smiffy on 30 October, 2013, 06:52:20 PM
Mr Austin and a photo of Ms Shilleto, maybe?
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1zwjma1.jpg)
Any idea who she is?
Susanna Hoffs! ;)
Via the eagle eyes of Albert Hammond-Bootleg: spotted at the British Museum... Rinus Limpopop Quintz.
(http://i.imgur.com/akgS9FW.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/J8ovFkV.jpg)
Great find!
:)
A great find indeed :thumbsup:
Ha! That is fantastic. Very good spot.
Fantastic spot, indeed.
Looking back, i'm sure i saw this (not trying to take owt away from the eagle eyed Mr Bootleg) last year in the British Museum, but it didnt fully sink in, for some reason. Though i do recall thinking "hey up....!?! Nar, it cant be..." and then moving on to the next display.
Rinus Limpopop Quintz !!! :o
Brilliant spot :)
I think most of us would recognise that face but not quite be able to place it....
Yeah, but were Wagner/Grant/Smith trying to imply that Rinus has been to earth, plying his wares as an onest trader in the past? And that this mode of dress was the local way of honouring his visit?
I can't believe they copied Ron Smith! It just goes to show what a legend he is, eh? :D
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag70/japandroid/rook8_zps5ccf4183.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/japandroid/media/rook8_zps5ccf4183.jpg.html)
Swiped FROM 2000AD!
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/76.jpg)
Beat me to it Dark Jimbo.
Very naughty (the copy, not you.)
I'm a massive Gibson fan and to avoid any confusion it's worth noting that that Rook comic was published after the 2000ad one: http://www.comicvine.com/the-rook-8/4000-161981/ :)
Edited to say that I've just spotted the "swiped from 2000ad" bit under japandroid's post... Ignore this post, please. Durr.
When I first saw that Rook 8 cover back in the 90's it came in a big pile of old Warren mags. I just assumed it was the other way round as I always associated Warren with the 60's ad 70's.
Ah, I was thinking "apocalypse war sentinoid", but that robohunter droid is even closer.
Quote from: japandroid on 15 September, 2014, 01:54:52 PMSwiped FROM 2000AD!
What a great find! This thread never ceases to amaze me... Great stuff.
:)
Berni Wrightson Swamp Thing
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag70/japandroid/swampy_zps602006ce.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/japandroid/media/swampy_zps602006ce.jpg.html)
Brett Ewins 2000AD Annual '79
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag70/japandroid/SAM_6240_new_zps7c4debbc.jpg) (http://s1299.photobucket.com/user/japandroid/media/SAM_6240_new_zps7c4debbc.jpg.html)
We were in Toys R Expensive on the weekend trying to get some Christmas shopping organised.
I saw a toy of a Skylander's character called Jawbreaker. I can't find a picture of it but this illustration is spot on. It reminds me of Mongrol.
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/SkylandersJawbreaker_zpsc0d41de8.jpg)
Published 1975 (http://www.amazon.com/2000-D-Illustrations-science-fiction/dp/0809281171/ref=la_B001H9PXHI_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1422738916&sr=1-2)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/2000AD_zpsfaa2015c.jpg)
Wow intriguing find. How on earth did you stumble across that?
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 31 January, 2015, 09:24:57 PM
Wow intriguing find. How on earth did you stumble across that?
Accidentally on purpose.
No, seriously, how?
Never seen that before.
Gives new meaning to "2000ad swipe file"
The drug Omnidrene in the page 10 swipe 'Goodbye soldier' is swiped from the anger enhancing drug Omnidrene in Norman Spinnard's 'The Men in the Jungle'. Z
Everyone's at it! (http://www.cracked.com/article_21898_5-famous-authors-who-stole-their-biggest-ideas.html?utm_source=FBTraffic&utm_medium=fijifrost&utm_campaign=CMfacebook)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 31 January, 2015, 09:19:22 PM
Published 1975 (http://www.amazon.com/2000-D-Illustrations-science-fiction/dp/0809281171/ref=la_B001H9PXHI_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1422738916&sr=1-2)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/2000AD_zpsfaa2015c.jpg)
I've seen this floating around e-bay for a while and didn't even give it a second look! :-[
Another swipe, from 2000AD
Is that a Simon Jacobs cover?
Quote from: Bolt-01 on 10 February, 2015, 11:35:30 AM
Is that a Simon Jacobs cover?
Alan Burrows, apparently.
http://www.comicvine.com/eagle-471/4000-315081/
And just for anyone not sure what this is swiped from...
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/mediumres/87.jpg)
Were they bring published by the same company at the time, though?
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 10 February, 2015, 01:03:20 PM
Were they bring published by the same company at the time, though?
Nope. In March 1991, 2000AD was being published by Rebellion while IPC was responsible for the Eagle. At least according to Comic Vine.
http://www.comicvine.com/2000-ad-722-prog-722/4000-127762/
http://www.comicvine.com/eagle-471/4000-315081/
Quote from: ming on 10 February, 2015, 01:11:38 PM
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 10 February, 2015, 01:03:20 PM
Were they bring published by the same company at the time, though?
Nope. In March 1991, 2000AD was being published by Rebellion while IPC was responsible for the Eagle. At least according to Comic Vine.
http://www.comicvine.com/2000-ad-722-prog-722/4000-127762/ (http://www.comicvine.com/2000-ad-722-prog-722/4000-127762/)
http://www.comicvine.com/eagle-471/4000-315081/ (http://www.comicvine.com/eagle-471/4000-315081/)
Hmm me thinks Comics vine might be mistaken
in 1991 2000ad was not published by Rebellion. It was published by IPC I think. Then it changed to Maxwell group. Then Egmont Fleetway in about 94 then Rebellion in 2000. . . . this is all from half remembered memory and I am probably wrong. But it certainly not Rebellion.
Quote from: Skullmo on 10 February, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
in 1991 2000ad was not published by Rebellion. It was published by IPC I think. Then it changed to Maxwell group. Then Egmont Fleetway in about 94 then Rebellion in 2000. . . . this is all from half remembered memory and I am probably wrong. But it certainly not Rebellion.
I suspected as much but I have no particular grasp on the dates of the changeovers, really. Anyway, a swipe's a swipe!
:)
EDIT: having just checked, Rebellion took over in 2000, which makes sense...
Quote from: ming on 10 February, 2015, 01:26:27 PM
Quote from: Skullmo on 10 February, 2015, 01:24:46 PM
in 1991 2000ad was not published by Rebellion. It was published by IPC I think. Then it changed to Maxwell group. Then Egmont Fleetway in about 94 then Rebellion in 2000. . . . this is all from half remembered memory and I am probably wrong. But it certainly not Rebellion.
I suspected as much but I have no particular grasp on the dates of the changeovers, really. Anyway, a swipe's a swipe!
:)
Where is dark Bishop when you need him!
1977 IPC
1987 IPC > Fleetway
1991 Fleetway > Egmont
2000 Egmont > Rebellion
I think.
I find this thread fascinating, especially the instances of early 2000AD artists borrowing from those mid-70's sci-fi paperback cover artists. Here's my two penneth on the subject, all observations on Rogue trooper, & the first one is one of those paperback cover artists being an influence.
This was one of Chris Foss' rejected designs for the Leviathan (the spaceship from ALIEN), which he recycled to use for the cover of his own artbook.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/29wswfo.jpg)
Which later shows up in a Mike Dorey drawn Rogue Trooper story...
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2dt9ch0.jpg)
Now, bit of a long lead up to the next two, so apologies in advance. Back in '82-ish, I managed to blag a meeting with Robin Smith (2000AD's then art editor) at King's Reach Tower. During the meeting he asked me which 2000AD artists I liked, Colin Wilson's name came up & I said I liked the way he drew tech-stuff, how (to my eyes) it was like Chris Foss with all the panel lines etc. Robin rejected that as an influence on Colin but said that he did rip off a "shit-hot war artist called Ian Kennedy". At the time I wasn't familiar with Ian Kennedy's name (though I must have seen his work in the pages of Commando) so I was left wondering exactly what he meant. Recently I got a copy of Bear Alley Books reprint trade of 'Frontline UK', a strip which feature Ian Kennedy's art in Battle. While going through the volume, a couple of panels jumped out as familiar, this panel...
(http://i62.tinypic.com/yjxc4.jpg)
with the addition of a few extra gun barrels etc forms the basis of this image by Colin Wilson,
(http://i58.tinypic.com/10i9or4.jpg)
and this image of a fuel tanker
(http://i60.tinypic.com/ta1zt4.jpg)
becomes this explosive panel by Colin Wilson...
(http://i57.tinypic.com/inqps4.jpg)
... so maybe Robin Smith did have a point, & it just goes to show that in the hands of a really talented artist who can bring his own spin to the work, swiping isn't such a crime.
While scanning these images, it occurred to me how many figures from Brett Ewins' first Rogue strip were straight swipes for Dave Gibbons & Colin Wilson panels, but since that was probably an editorial recommendation for continuity's sake & because I'm sure everyone on the forums is familiar with them, I didn't think they were worth including.
Quote from: Staz Johnson on 15 February, 2015, 01:45:31 PM
While scanning these images, it occurred to me how many figures from Brett Ewins' first Rogue strip were straight swipes for Dave Gibbons & Colin Wilson panels, but since that was probably an editorial recommendation for continuity's sake & because I'm sure everyone on the forums is familiar with them, I didn't think they were worth including.
Now, I love a bit of Brett's work, but it has to be said, he didn't half copy from other's a lot. Rogue, Dredd, various Future Shock's.....
Those trucks and tanks panels are very similar but still both rather amazing to look at IMHO.
There's nothing new in Rock and Roll folks!
You're the Rogue pro Staz and I defer to your expertise, but from my humble perspective I don't see those images as even vaguely similar - if the 'pose' has been swiped, maybe, but almost every detail is different beyond the basic idea of 'tank' and 'tanker'. Should note that I love both Kennedy and Wilson.
There certainly does seem to be singular points that persuasively indicate swipage in those images: the tankers on the trucks have almost identical angle of action, shading and design; the tank-turrets have similar attributes plus some identical details shaded in stark relief, but what stops them dead from being blatant robbery is that Wilson has extrapolated way beyond these points to create his own remarkable panels.
Quote from: Professor Cardigan on 15 February, 2015, 02:14:13 PM
You're the Rogue pro Staz and I defer to your expertise, but from my humble perspective I don't see those images as even vaguely similar - if the 'pose' has been swiped, maybe, but almost every detail is different beyond the basic idea of 'tank' and 'tanker'. Should note that I love both Kennedy and Wilson.
In my experience most 'swipes' tend to fall into this bracket, rather than a straight trace. But Wilson has definitely borrowed from those Kennedy images, from the actual inking technique, to the lighting... he has sci-fi'ed them up somewhat, but that's the point I was making.. if you're going to swipe, bring something of yourself to the party to make it your own.
Of more importance than any of this swipey type talk thanks for the heads up about the Frontline UK reprint, never heard of that before and since I'm lovin' all of Hibneria's output I'm thinking this has got to be worth a go. Anyone read it?
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 February, 2015, 05:16:22 PM
Of more importance than any of this swipey type talk thanks for the heads up about the Frontline UK reprint, never heard of that before and since I'm lovin' all of Hibneria's output I'm thinking this has got to be worth a go. Anyone read it?
I have (obviously) & I enjoyed it, baring in mind the strip was originally aimed at a young juvenile audience, so it's not the most sophisticated storytelling ever. The artwork, however is superb (as you might expect), & there's some interesting articles on the creators & origin of the strip.
Regarding my original post, I find the Chris Foss 'swipe' (for want of a better word) far more interesting, & if I ever get asked to do a strip with spaceships again, you can bet I'll be borrowing heavily from those classic 70's paperback cover artists, & making no secret of it. Those guys were just brilliant!
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 February, 2015, 05:16:22 PM
Of more importance than any of this swipey type talk thanks for the heads up about the Frontline UK reprint, never heard of that before and since I'm lovin' all of Hibneria's output I'm thinking this has got to be worth a go. Anyone read it?
Bear Ally have put out a collection of material from The Crunch as well called Arena. Need to get around to these at some point.
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 15 February, 2015, 05:16:22 PM
Of more importance than any of this swipey type talk thanks for the heads up about the Frontline UK reprint, never heard of that before and since I'm lovin' all of Hibneria's output I'm thinking this has got to be worth a go. Anyone read it?
It's in the reading pile but I haven't got to it yet (
Dredd Urban Warfare and
The Royals Masters of War are on the go at the moment). You can see some interior spreads and order it from here: http://bearalleybooks.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/frontline-uk.html (http://bearalleybooks.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/frontline-uk.html)
Quote from: Colin_YNWA on 06 November, 2013, 08:13:51 AM
Nighthawks by Hopper has to be one of the most referenced and homaged pieces of art in the comics field. There's countless examples of it being used... no I don't have any to hand you'll just have to trust me...
I do trust you, but the only one I can think of is this by Dave Mazzucchelli from Batman: Year One, however, I'm no comics historian...
(http://i62.tinypic.com/vr3hwk.jpg)
(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/Caliban_photos/Nighthawksmaybe_zps6b85d475.jpg)
Maybe it is
Not exactly a swipe but...
Front cover of the book of the film Moonraker, which, to avoid confusion, is named 'James Bond and Moonraker' in true Doctor Who novelisation style rather than Moonraker as it isn't remotely a film of the original book...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/MoonrakerMovieNovel_zpsgthmqdmd.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/MoonrakerMovieNovel_zpsgthmqdmd.jpg.html)
Front cover of prog 119, which saw the first episode of the ABC Warriors and the return of Dan Dare - not to mention the beginning of Disaster 1990 - which had some recycled artwork of Roger Moore zooming through space WITHOUT A HELMET ON!
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/prog119_zpsm2j4hsom.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/prog119_zpsm2j4hsom.jpg.html)
How does he breathe? HOW DOES HE BREATHE?!?
Power of the comb over.
DC Comics swipe Tharg!
BIG JOBS !!!
Not sure I'm doing this right, but here goes...
I always thought the scout-plane in The Masks of Arazzor (Prog #241, late 1982) looked similar(ish) to a 1970s Battlestar Galactica Viper...
Something about the placement of the three engines around the cockpit and the snub-nose. Most likely a complete coincidence though, I mean, how many variations of basic jet plane designs are there, right?
Quote from: Ursula K on 22 March, 2015, 03:47:52 AM
Not sure I'm doing this right, but here goes...
I always thought the scout-plane in The Masks of Arazzor (Prog #241, late 1982) looked similar(ish) to a 1970s Battlestar Galactica Viper...
Something about the placement of the three engines around the cockpit and the snub-nose. Most likely a complete coincidence though, I mean, how many variations of basic jet plane designs are there, right?
Good call! :)
(http://i.imgur.com/MrX19Gr.jpg)
(http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/moe/images/moe_0940_title.jpg)
indeed - though they've added a gun to the jet engine's air intake, which I'm not sure is an awfully good idea, design-wise!
I vaguely recall the fighter craft in 86ers heavily reminding me of colonial Vipers. Only perhaps without wings.
Quote from: The Adventurer on 23 March, 2015, 08:51:23 PM
I vaguely recall the fighter craft in 86ers heavily reminding me of colonial Vipers. Only perhaps without wings.
There was a definite BSG influence to The 86ers.
Fun series.
Quote from: Dandontdare on 23 March, 2015, 11:17:38 AM
indeed - though they've added a gun to the jet engine's air intake, which I'm not sure is an awfully good idea, design-wise!
:lol:
Quote from: smiffy on 30 October, 2013, 06:52:20 PM
Mr Austin and a photo of Ms Shilleto, maybe?
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1zwjma1.jpg)
Aha! I knew I hadn't made this one up...
I remember seeing this in a Jazz mag in '91 & they had a laugh at the artists 'good taste' in models to crib from... It also explained why it looked nothing LIKE Anderson on the story inside and the artists preffered reading material at the time...
Re-reading the Shamballa book from the Mega collection, I was reminded that the spaceship Anderson uses at the end of The Jesus Syndrome story, bears more than a passing resemblance to the Narcissus shuttle from the first Alien film
(http://i.imgur.com/Ow7NlCt.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Ow7NlCt)
(http://i.imgur.com/7lT7CQO.jpg) (http://imgur.com/7lT7CQO)
Quote from: Spikes on 14 April, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
Re-reading the Shamballa book from the Mega collection, I was reminded that the spaceship Anderson uses at the end of The Jesus Syndrome story, bears more than a passing resemblance to the Narcissus shuttle from the first Alien film
(http://i.imgur.com/Ow7NlCt.jpg) (http://imgur.com/Ow7NlCt)
(http://i.imgur.com/7lT7CQO.jpg) (http://imgur.com/7lT7CQO)
Gah! That's it! I knew it was familiar..!
Not technically 2000 AD, but...
Front cover, Tornado issue 17 - 'The Money Shop'...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Tornado17_zpssjymxnog.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Tornado17_zpssjymxnog.jpg.html)
Count Arthur Strong...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/arthur1_zpsowgs0uwc.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/arthur1_zpsowgs0uwc.jpg.html)
And my street has a No 17 too!
Plagiarists!!!
Arthur Ranson's ship in The Jesus Syndrome
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x32/scowling_monkey/4B63AA36-E508-4F7F-BB8D-5B64E95288BE_zpsvp7alhpa.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/scowling_monkey/media/4B63AA36-E508-4F7F-BB8D-5B64E95288BE_zpsvp7alhpa.jpg.html)
bears a striking resemblance to the Narcissus, the escape pod from the Nostromo.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x32/scowling_monkey/03942365-ADC8-458E-B1C5-9148F55F2E13_zpsvn7tvv7z.jpg) (http://s186.photobucket.com/user/scowling_monkey/media/03942365-ADC8-458E-B1C5-9148F55F2E13_zpsvn7tvv7z.jpg.html)
Ah crap. Just noticed someone beat me to it!!!! :lol:
I think you've just swiped from the swipe file!
Swipe or homage ?
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/2/23749/423838-91393_20070421203543_large.jpg)
Rich Larson
(https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1399/64/1399645770933.jpg)
Simon Bisley original
all though I am a bit guilty of this my self: http://jamescnewell.blogspot.ie/2000/09/james-newell-covers-abc-warriors-book-4.html (http://jamescnewell.blogspot.ie/2000/09/james-newell-covers-abc-warriors-book-4.html)
On the basis it is from the same strip, I think homage is a safe bet.
Prog 76 (August 1978): Robo Hunter's first appearance featured a rather familiar looking spacecraft.....
(http://i.imgur.com/poHn8kY.jpg)
A.B.C. Warriors Prog 573. It's Vincent from The Black Hole!
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/albion79uk/bfdf4ce140f224218b418ef4df145f26_zpssubklfvz.jpg)
'I have nice sister.' :lol:
In another panel he's selling "dirty postcards"! :D
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/albion79uk/b02695a92648377fc397b2e9392452df_zpshyu4qems.jpg)
Front cover, Prog 140...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Prog140_zps9djzn1si.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Prog140_zps9djzn1si.jpg.html)
Front cover, STar Trek: The Motion Picture A Marvel Super Special Magazine...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Marvel%20Super%20Special_zps7hmth1sa.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Marvel%20Super%20Special_zps7hmth1sa.jpg.html)
Possibly taken from the same source image rather than one copying the other, though, but I'm pretty sure it's the same image (there's either some sort of weird shortening effect at the back, or the engine nacelles are in the wrong place). And what's going on with that ship's registration on the prog? The 1's are backwards and the registration ought to be NCC 1701 rather than 1701 NCC... has it been flipped about and then bodged around? The more I look at it the weirder it seems.
Cor, that cover's a bit of a mess all round. So much text! So many different fonts!
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 September, 2015, 08:26:02 PM
Cor, that cover's a bit of a mess all round. So much text! So many different fonts!
I count five, plus another four which are part of logos (Star Trek, 2000AD and Tornado, Dinky and The Stainless Steel Rat). Changing the colours and putting in the odd piece of italics doesn't help.
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 20 September, 2015, 08:26:02 PM
Cor, that cover's a bit of a mess all round. So much text! So many different fonts!
Aye, I get the distinct impression that the Stainless Steel Rat cover from prog 141 was supposed to coincide with the start of the story, but wasn't ready yet and that one is very much a swiftly put together emergency measure.
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 21 September, 2015, 08:40:19 PM
Aye, I get the distinct impression that the Stainless Steel Rat cover from prog 141 was supposed to coincide with the start of the story, but wasn't ready yet and that one is very much a swiftly put together emergency measure.
Or more likely some suit in advertising sales leant on editorial, having closed a deal that just couldn't be refused. And to hell with an aesthetically pleasing front cover in what was a great era for covers.
I'm curious as to who drew that USS Enterprise. I wonder if it's actually from the Marvel Super Special Lobo posted the front cover of. See internal pages and the inking style which to me looks like it could be by Tony DeZuniga:
http://marvel1980s.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/1979-marvel-super-special-15-star-trek.html
Some more prog tv/film/toy tie-in covers:
http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=covers&page=character&choice=FILM&Comic=2000ad
I'm not sure that something officially recognised - like a movie Enterprise from a Star Trek movie - is really a swipe. Is it?
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 21 September, 2015, 10:12:08 PM
I'm not sure that something officially recognised - like a movie Enterprise from a Star Trek movie - is really a swipe. Is it?
I don't think it's a swipe at all - surely the defining feature of a swipe is that it's illicit?
No not a swipe. Interesting find though.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 21 September, 2015, 10:12:08 PM
I'm not sure that something officially recognised - like a movie Enterprise from a Star Trek movie - is really a swipe. Is it?
I'd say that
most of the stuff appearing in this thread isn't true swiping - most of it it homage and there's occasionally some recycling going on.
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 21 September, 2015, 09:37:51 PM
I'm curious as to who drew that USS Enterprise. I wonder if it's actually from the Marvel Super Special Lobo posted the front cover of.
The planet in the background looks very Belardinelli, and the Speedo Ghost is very prone to similar 'lens flaring' whenever it appears on the cover - however, the star scape is nearly identical to the one in 'Star Lord's Guide to the Galaxy' on the back cover of the same issue, which is drawn by Dave Gibbons.
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 22 September, 2015, 08:07:16 AM
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 21 September, 2015, 10:12:08 PM
I'm not sure that something officially recognised - like a movie Enterprise from a Star Trek movie - is really a swipe. Is it?
I'd say that most of the stuff appearing in this thread isn't true swiping - most of it it homage and there's occasionally some recycling going on.
Yeah, but there are some startling cases of things from 2000AD that I've been familiar with for decades suddenly having another origin (the High Rock and The Last Man Future Shock, f'rinstance).
Out of curiosity, which things
would you consider as swipes? Is the Feek a homage?
For me a true swipe is clandestine in nature. It is taking something else and passing it off as your own. In the past, it might have been calculated that distance would give anonymity and protection - who was going to even know that your robot for a 70s UK comic was a riff on an illustration from 40s US pulp? But that was before the internet and the fun of having these things shown up.
There are also homages or knowing uses - like Deadlock or the Enterprise above - where the source may not be obvious to the reader but there was no attempt by the artist to disguise their source.
Then there are in-jokes, like the Vincent robots in ABC warriors. These are artistic easter eggs and just fun to see but, again, the artist isn't really meaning to claim they designed the thing.
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 22 September, 2015, 02:33:19 PM
For me a true swipe is clandestine in nature. It is taking something else and passing it off as your own. In the past, it might have been calculated that distance would give anonymity and protection - who was going to even know that your robot for a 70s UK comic was a riff on an illustration from 40s US pulp? But that was before the internet and the fun of having these things shown up.
There are also homages or knowing uses - like Deadlock or the Enterprise above - where the source may not be obvious to the reader but there was no attempt by the artist to disguise their source.
Then there are in-jokes, like the Vincent robots in ABC warriors. These are artistic easter eggs and just fun to see but, again, the artist isn't really meaning to claim they designed the thing.
I endorse this post, and all who sail in it.
Quote from: Dash Decent on 30 October, 2013, 09:17:31 PM
I just spotted this last week, hunting through some old progs. Mike Dorey obviously had some "Blake's 7" photos in his reference file, as demonstrated by "Psi-Testers" in prog 408:
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/Prog408clipgunpanel_zpsfc772561.jpg)
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/PDgun_zps7d4be39a.jpg)
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/scorpio1_zpsf397f578.jpg)
The Scorpio Clip Guns fired six types of bullet (laser, plasma bullet, percussion charge, micro grenade, stun and drug) you know...
Quote from: ming on 22 September, 2015, 08:27:43 AM
Out of curiosity, which things would you consider as swipes? Is the Feek a homage?
Some of this is also artists being inspired - although I think in Belardinelli's case Tharg kept a tighter control on the design of the main characters because when left to his own devices Massimo would produce something utterly mad. I seem to recall a story (admittedly, I can't remember where I remember it from!) about the original design for Battak in Blackhawk getting rejected for being too weird, which would explain why the final version was copied from the paperback cover further up the thread.
The Scorpio gun itself very clearly a swipe of Han Solo's DL-44 heavy blaster, itself a disguised Mauser C96 (from 1896).
I'm told the Scorpio clip guns also got reused in "The Two Ronnies" mini serial, "The Worm that Turned", so perhaps it was a lift from The Two Ronnies!
Quote from: Dash Decent on 23 September, 2015, 01:49:41 AM
I'm told the Scorpio clip guns also got reused in "The Two Ronnies" mini serial, "The Worm that Turned", so perhaps it was a lift from The Two Ronnies!
For some reason I find that obscure fact indecently cool... which is a little sad, but its GREAT!
Quote from: Dash Decent on 23 September, 2015, 01:49:41 AM
I'm told the Scorpio clip guns also got reused in "The Two Ronnies" mini serial, "The Worm that Turned", so perhaps it was a lift from The Two Ronnies!
This one?
(http://www.gmanx.com/ImageBank/E11_TwoRonnies.jpg)
Is that Barbara Castle in the background?
Quote from: Dash Decent on 23 September, 2015, 01:49:41 AM
I'm told the Scorpio clip guns also got reused in "The Two Ronnies" mini serial, "The Worm that Turned", so perhaps it was a lift from The Two Ronnies!
Unlikely, unfortunately - 'The Worm that Turned' was broadcast at the beginning of 1980, Blake's 7 series 4 didn't start production until 1981. But odder things have happened in 1980 - here's young Steve Dillon in Doctor Who Weekly
BLATANTLY TRACING screengrabs of Jenna Coleman to play the part of Princess Taiyin!
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/princessclara_zps3bea3f24.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/princessclara_zps3bea3f24.jpg.html)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Snap_zpsidub2nek.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Snap_zpsidub2nek.jpg.html)
I'm sure Tharg must have had a few choice words about such a blatant disregard for the laws of continuity!
Quote from: James Stacey on 23 September, 2015, 01:08:21 PM
Is that Barbara Castle in the background?
I don't know, I've never been to Barbara Castle. I've heard they've got a great little gift shop, though - much better than the one at Shirley's Temple.
Quote from: sheridan on 23 September, 2015, 01:00:17 PM
(http://www.gmanx.com/ImageBank/E11_TwoRonnies.jpg)
Is that a stormtrooper rifle painted silver and modified a bit?
Quote from: Dash Decent on 23 September, 2015, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: James Stacey on 23 September, 2015, 01:08:21 PM
Is that Barbara Castle in the background?
I don't know, I've never been to Barbara Castle. I've heard they've got a great little gift shop, though - much better than the one at Shirley's Temple.
I've been to Vanessa Paradis, but I've never been to Meatloaf.
You are Charlene and I claim my five galactic groats.
Quote from: Dash Decent on 23 September, 2015, 01:34:13 PM
Is that a stormtrooper rifle painted silver and modified a bit?
Or a Sterling SMG with some gubbins attached, and painted silver. So yes, a stormtrooper rifle.
I adored The Worm That Turned as a kid, and may even have taken it a bit seriously, but nothing topped the Phantom Raspberry Blower of London Town, which may have been the highpoint of my week at some point in the mid-70s. Does it make an appearance in From Hell: Dance of the Gull Catchers? I can't recall, but it definitely should.
Quote from: Tordelback on 24 September, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 23 September, 2015, 01:34:13 PM
Is that a stormtrooper rifle painted silver and modified a bit?
Or a Sterling SMG with some gubbins attached, and painted silver. So yes, a stormtrooper rifle.
I adored The Worm That Turned as a kid, and may even have taken it a bit seriously, but nothing topped the Phantom Raspberry Blower of London Town, which may have been the highpoint of my week at some point in the mid-70s. Does it make an appearance in From Hell: Dance of the Gull Catchers? I can't recall, but it definitely should.
I'm with Tordels.
I hated waiting through the sketches to get to the good of drama!
Quote from: Tordelback on 24 September, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 23 September, 2015, 01:34:13 PM
Is that a stormtrooper rifle painted silver and modified a bit?
Or a Sterling SMG with some gubbins attached, and painted silver. So yes, a stormtrooper rifle.
Oh yes, definitely built up from a Sterling SMG as were the stormtrooper rifles. What I meant was, for the Two Ronnies I assume the BBC bods grabbed something they already had on the shelf and modified it a bit, spraypainted it silver and went off to film, rather than getting some Sterlings and building them up into SF guns from scratch. I suppose what I should've asked was do any of the attached gubbins indicate these are repurposed SW props?
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 23 September, 2015, 01:31:20 PM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 23 September, 2015, 01:49:41 AM
I'm told the Scorpio clip guns also got reused in "The Two Ronnies" mini serial, "The Worm that Turned", so perhaps it was a lift from The Two Ronnies!
Unlikely, unfortunately - 'The Worm that Turned' was broadcast at the beginning of 1980, Blake's 7 series 4 didn't start production until 1981.
Interesting! I haven't checked myself (or even thought of checking the dates) as I assumed the person that said it had seen them on the screen for sure. I'm going to check it out myself sometime, purely for research and nothing to do with all the women in hot pants.
Was "The Worm that turned" a repurposed Dr Who story? I know there simialrly themed "Prison in Space"(?) was a vetoed Troughton episode.... but was there any cross over in terms of the writers of both?
Just posted on Facebook by the wonderful Dark Star brewery for their Hopfest this weekend.
Looks a bit like a certain ABC Warrior.....
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/albion79uk/c987a148184bccd5bcb77571296d50f5_zps9uzpieem.jpg)
I adore the Ronnie's serials, revering them as among the best of comedy. The Worm that Turned was wonderful, as is The Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town (oh that fiend!) but the Charley Farley and Piggy Malone mystery serials are just the best.
Oh...I seem to have gone of on a tangent....erm...
"We would like to apologise from the 'F' in Fog..."
Just goes to show that even the mighty Alan Moore wasn't above a spot of plagiarism. This was originally published in 'The House of Secrets' #86 June/July 1970 issue
(http://i.imgur.com/u6yqbZv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/k8ajmh9.jpg)
Quote from: hippynumber1 on 11 October, 2015, 11:16:33 AM
Just goes to show that even the mighty Alan Moore wasn't above a spot of plagiarism.
Yes, apart from this, Alan Moore's writing was totally original.... ;)
Good spot though.
No mention of the latest Captain Britain comic?
(http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Captain-Britain-and-the-Mighty-Defenders-1-002-1024x409.png)
Quote from: Judge Brian on 11 October, 2015, 06:49:41 PM
No mention of the latest Captain Britain comic?
Yep - http://forums.2000adonline.com/index.php/topic,42433.0/topicseen.html
Prog 720. Future Shock - Retribution. Script John Tomlinson, art by Arthur Ranson.
That spaceship looks familiar.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/albion79uk/cb5e99f81b0f2644c09fee747697e0a0_zpspe9lhwfe.jpg)
Very cool. :D That Captain Britain easter egg above is also great.
I'm sure everyone around here's known this for years, but ran into this the other day in (I think) a 1970s Conan
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc1/jesusarnold/conan.png~original) (http://s216.photobucket.com/user/jesusarnold/media/conan.png.html)
Weird... It looks as if that last swipe was in the script. Must be an intentional 'homage'.
I think it was an intentional homage
A 2000ad related swipe spotted by David Roach (from his FB page)
(http://i.imgur.com/S8N7JlD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3f59GSZ.jpg)
wow, good find.
I remember at the time thinking that it was an odd cover - after weeks of training us to defend Earth against the invasion, this was the issue when we discovered that Starlord was just leaving us to it
- and we got a picture of a crab-sub. Huh?
Quote from: Dandontdare on 09 January, 2016, 03:00:23 AM
wow, good find.
I remember at the time thinking that it was an odd cover - after weeks of training us to defend Earth against the invasion, this was the issue when we discovered that Starlord was just leaving us to it
- and we got a picture of a crab-sub. Huh?
He carried on the fight against InStellFed, including releasing some 'Info Data Control' which had been 'banned on all federated worlds' telling of their rise to power - all told in the 1981 Starlord Annual, with some of the illustrations possibly by Ian Kennedy, though if they are it looks like he didn't have a lot of time to do them. Or more likely a bunch of spacey pictures lying around in IPC's image vaults with some copy hastily put together by an overworked sub-editor.
Quote from: sheridan on 09 January, 2016, 05:48:19 PM
He carried on the fight against InStellFed, including releasing some 'Info Data Control' which had been 'banned on all federated worlds' telling of their rise to power - all told in the 1981 Starlord Annual, with some of the illustrations possibly by Ian Kennedy, though if they are it looks like he didn't have a lot of time to do them. Or more likely a bunch of spacey pictures lying around in IPC's image vaults with some copy hastily put together by an overworked sub-editor.
He should have held some of them back - by the time of the 1982 Annual, he's got a six page Stronty script then there's
eighty eight pages of reprint and filler material...
(There's also a publicity picture from the Doctor Who story Mission to the Unknown which I've never seen anywhere else, probably because it's a particularly unflattering shot of Verity Lambert...)
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Starlord%201981_zpsc0wzs5mz.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Starlord%201981_zpsc0wzs5mz.jpg.html)
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 09 January, 2016, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: sheridan on 09 January, 2016, 05:48:19 PM
He carried on the fight against InStellFed, including releasing some 'Info Data Control' which had been 'banned on all federated worlds' telling of their rise to power - all told in the 1981 Starlord Annual, with some of the illustrations possibly by Ian Kennedy, though if they are it looks like he didn't have a lot of time to do them. Or more likely a bunch of spacey pictures lying around in IPC's image vaults with some copy hastily put together by an overworked sub-editor.
He should have held some of them back - by the time of the 1982 Annual, he's got a six page Stronty script then there's eighty eight pages of reprint and filler material...
No Ro-Busters either :-(
Gary Leach's The Exterminator almost made up for the not-really Starlord-y or 2000AD-y -ness of it all though (good artwork even though it's a not particularly shocking eight-page Future Shock otherwise).
Not a swipe, but a homage.
Alan Moore gave "Chronocops" (Tharg's Time Twister, prog 310) the vibe of the early Kurtzman-era MAD comics. Dave Gibbons underlined this with his art, making the piece into a true homage to Harvey Kurtzman and artist Will Elder.
MAD parodied Dragnet twice, in the third issue (1953, based on the radio series) and in issue 11 (1954, based on the TV series). In both cases the parody was called "Dragged Net", but it is in the second go that the main character is drawn to caricature Jack Webb, the actor playing Friday. (Webb also originated and produced the show.)
Gibbons made sure the lead character in "Chronocops" was clearly Webb, but directly in the style of Elder.
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/CC1_zpsq23rupf6.jpg)
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/CC3_zpsj8ipfx1s.jpg)
Additionally Gibbons added references to MAD in the background. Will Elder and Bill Gaines (MAD's publisher) are name checked. Potrzebie is one of the Yiddish/Polish mishmash words that would crop up regularly in early MADs (along with furshlugginer, veeblefetzer, ganef, hoo-hah, etc).
By the way Mr Gibbons, "ingredients" has an "R" in it.
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/CC4_zps8wtam1yb.jpg)
One of the background gags in the second "Dragged Net" parody is Will Elder's mother searching through the strip for him, calling "Villie" all the while. Here Gibbons directly points to the MAD parody by including her search for Will(y).
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/CC7_zpsun3yxmwe.jpg)
Oh, and there's the TARDIS. It fits the time travel theme well, and of course Mr Gibbons did a lot of work drawing Dr Who strips for DW Weekly/Monthly. I assume the honking sound is a "Beeb" rather than a "Beep" as a nod to it's BBC owners.
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/CC8_zps0yxbzgcd.jpg)
The Chronocops emblem appears to be an hourglass with "CC" across the centre. The CC is a homage to the EC logo. It can also be seen on the time-traffic cop.
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/CC5_zpsbc3dnq5y.jpg)
MAD's Joe Friday begat Moore & Gibbon's Joe Saturday, who in turn inspired the forum's own Joe Soap. Joe Soap currently uses a photo of Jack Webb as his avatar but his earlier avatar - from "Chronocops" - was immortalised in a certain film...
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/CC6_zpsrus3b3nf.jpg)
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x418/Dash_Decent/Soap_zps4urv7xm7.gif)
(Mods, please remove if this creates any copyright angst.)
I didn't know some of that, and it was fantastic to see it all set out so clearly. Great work, Dash, thanks a mill.
Thanks Tordelback! It was a lot of fun to put together. If I could edit it I would explain that EC was Gaines' company and add some examples of the "Villie!" joke from MAD no. 11. (You can see one example here, a detail from the final panel of the second "Dragged Net" parody, incorrectly ascribed to MAD no. 3 - Click! (http://www.willelder.net/art_gallery.html#). It's not the perfect example as in this panel she says his full name (as payoff to that particular joke), whereas in the previous panels she was only crying "VILLIE" - just like we see in "Chronocops".)
Another on-going joke in the early MADs were notes saying "Call your mom - Ed". It's only just occurred to me that they could be a callback to this joke, in response to Elder's mother searching for him.
Intriguingly, the Wikipedia entry on Dragnet includes an incomplete list of parodies of the show. It mentions "Chronocops" but neither of the spoofs by MAD!
Quote from: Dash Decent on 10 January, 2016, 01:00:22 PMIntriguingly, the Wikipedia entry on Dragnet includes an incomplete list of parodies of the show. It mentions "Chronocops" but neither of the spoofs by MAD!
I hope you added the references then!
This reminds me of an audit
That reminds me Skullmo, about this tax return you've submitted...
(Also: why?)
Fantastic to see this last batch of posts; wonderful work there, Dash.
Quote from: Dash Decent on 10 January, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
By the way Mr Gibbons, "ingredients" has an "R" in it.
Dave Responds (via twitter):
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Interesting. But tell Dash Decent that sign reads "Fresh Ingels" after the EC horror artist, not "Fresh ingredients"!
-pj
Fantastic!
How did I end up in a MAD comics/Chronocops/Dragnet/Dredd meta-narrative?
Quote from: pauljholden on 11 January, 2016, 10:30:52 AM
Quote from: Dash Decent on 10 January, 2016, 09:08:33 AM
By the way Mr Gibbons, "ingredients" has an "R" in it.
Dave Responds (via twitter):
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Interesting. But tell Dash Decent that sign reads "Fresh Ingels" after the EC horror artist, not "Fresh ingredients"!
-pj
I stand corrected, while bowing in awe and amazement that one of my heroes has commented on something I did (and better than last time, "How did you get into my house?" isn't really what you want to hear!) Look on my works, ye mighty...! Thanks PJ (another hero!)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 11 January, 2016, 10:56:58 AM
How did I end up in a MAD comics/Chronocops/Dragnet/Dredd meta-narrative?
Something to do with your choice of avatar, I believe. There's an article about it here on the forum somewhere.
Now it's a
recursive meta-narrative.
(Recursive does mean it keeps making people swear at me, right?)
Point Dave G at page 3 of the thread and ask him about Charlie / Chris Foss's Gargantua while you're at it.
;)
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Interesting. But tell Dash Decent that sign reads "Fresh Ingels" after the EC horror artist, not "Fresh ingredients"!
Just as a final post script, Bill Schelly's recent (2015) biography of Harvey Kurtzman refers to Dave Gibbons three times* and Graham Ingels only twice.
That's not to downplay Ingels the artist (or Ingels the man) in any way, it's just the way Schelly tells the story. But it is interesting following on from Dave's
justification explanation.
* as Harvey award winner, as contributor to HK's "Strange Adventures" title, and as guest at a certain convention.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2q9evic.jpg)
Crime Zone (1989)
QuoteBest described as Bonnie and Clyde in the future, this thriller pits two young outlaws against a post-apocalyptic city as they commit crimes all in action-packed, rebellious fashion
I know what I'm watching tonight
Microwave Mountain, Rogue Trooper prog 312, 1983...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/MicrowaveMountain_zpsca1xova7.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/MicrowaveMountain_zpsca1xova7.jpg.html)
Sea City 2000, Usborne Books 'Future Cities', 1979...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/SeaCity2000_zpsktcuzu64.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/SeaCity2000_zpsktcuzu64.jpg.html)
HA!
Someone's going on Santa's Norty list!
Doctor Feeley-Good and his real-life visual inspiration, the 77-ton 'Beetle'; apparently the largest robot ever built!
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/108.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/471e0471-acf0-4148-950f-d4e7d2295d9e_zpsmw2dxymp.jpg~original) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/Darkjimbo2/media/471e0471-acf0-4148-950f-d4e7d2295d9e_zpsmw2dxymp.jpg.html)
http://tanks-a-lot.tumblr.com/post/125619903017/the-beetle-was-a-robot-designed-for-the-air
Video game Galaga '88...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/Galaga_zpshxon9h14.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/Galaga_zpshxon9h14.jpg.html)
The Greater Spotter Thrill Sucker...
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o320/Lobo_Baggins/ThrillSucker_zpscnszuyy7.jpg) (http://s123.photobucket.com/user/Lobo_Baggins/media/ThrillSucker_zpscnszuyy7.jpg.html)
Quote from: Lobo Baggins on 09 February, 2016, 09:32:03 AM
Video game Galaga '88...
Interesting... The first appearance of Thrill Suckers was (I think) in 1980 though (Prog 180) so predates Galaga '88; does Galaga go back far enough for a 1980 swipe?
Quote from: Dark Jimbo on 06 February, 2016, 10:25:54 PM
Doctor Feeley-Good and his real-life visual inspiration, the 77-ton 'Beetle'; apparently the largest robot ever built!
(http://www.2000ad.org/covers/2000ad/hires/108.jpg)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a113/Darkjimbo2/471e0471-acf0-4148-950f-d4e7d2295d9e_zpsmw2dxymp.jpg~original) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/Darkjimbo2/media/471e0471-acf0-4148-950f-d4e7d2295d9e_zpsmw2dxymp.jpg.html)
http://tanks-a-lot.tumblr.com/post/125619903017/the-beetle-was-a-robot-designed-for-the-air
There's a certain ironic joy in the idea of something as precise as a robot surgeon having the form of the 'heaviest robot ever'.
That Crime Zone film sounds like a fantastic plot for a Dredd story - have we ever had a Bonnie and Clyde type pairing? Always love me some Chopper-style futile-rail-against-the-system heroes.
Homage rather than swipe. Always loved this 2000AD advert that appeared in Star Lord in July 1978.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblZ08fUYAAUE4F?format=pjpg&name=large)
Clearly Kevin O'Neill art. Based on this classic Pepsi advert https://youtu.be/jB8rnZ-0dKw (https://youtu.be/jB8rnZ-0dKw).
My older brother had a T-shirt at the time with the Pepsi advert text.
Quote from: SuperSurfer on 19 February, 2016, 02:49:02 PM
Homage rather than swipe. Always loved this 2000AD advert that appeared in Star Lord in July 1978.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CblZ08fUYAAUE4F?format=pjpg&name=large)
Clearly Kevin O'Neill art. Based on this classic Pepsi advert https://youtu.be/jB8rnZ-0dKw (https://youtu.be/jB8rnZ-0dKw).
My older brother had a T-shirt at the time with the Pepsi advert text.
A joy. Makes me think of mid-nineties Nirvana tees.
From the art of Brian Lewis FB page...
(http://i.imgur.com/1B5zMZc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ha23rtr.jpg?1)
I find it interesting that two thirds of the current prog is the same lineup as Starlord in 1978!
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 01 March, 2016, 08:53:46 PM
I find it interesting that two thirds of the current prog is the same lineup as Starlord in 1978!
BRING BACK MIND WARS!
Quote from: The Enigmatic Dr X on 01 March, 2016, 08:53:46 PM
I find it interesting that two thirds of the current prog is the same lineup as Starlord in 1978!
...and that three fifths is the same as 2000AD and Starlord immediately after the merger!
Just spotted this today. Gibson's cover predates The Rook by a few years.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a5/df/23/a5df2325c82ae961707d230acf50c1d8.png)
Quote from: johnnystress on 10 March, 2016, 04:19:18 PM
Just spotted this today. Gibson's cover predates The Rook by a few years.
Yeah... I googled this after I saw you post this on FB — that issue of The Rook was published in 1981, and the cover depicts one of the stories inside, rather than being a generic painting that might have been painted years earlier and bought in from an agency.
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/The%20Rook%2008-23_zpsfw0eypzn.jpg)
Cheers
Jim
Damn. I went through the thread and saw it had already been mentioned.
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 March, 2016, 04:30:30 PM
Quote from: johnnystress on 10 March, 2016, 04:19:18 PM
Just spotted this today. Gibson's cover predates The Rook by a few years.
Yeah... I googled this after I saw you post this on FB — that issue of The Rook was published in 1981, and the cover depicts one of the stories inside, rather than being a generic painting that might have been painted years earlier and bought in from an agency.
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/The%20Rook%2008-23_zpsfw0eypzn.jpg)
cool!
Cheers
Jim
Prog 1113. Slaine, The Swan Children. Art by Siku.
Is that Slaine's palace or Jabba the Hutt's?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y267/albion79uk/249fd16a7458aee6370aa93af8ae1f79_zpsvl6e200x.jpg)
Quote from: Jim_Campbell on 10 March, 2016, 04:30:30 PM
Quote from: johnnystress on 10 March, 2016, 04:19:18 PM
Just spotted this today. Gibson's cover predates The Rook by a few years.
Yeah... I googled this after I saw you post this on FB — that issue of The Rook was published in 1981, and the cover depicts one of the stories inside, rather than being a generic painting that might have been painted years earlier and bought in from an agency.
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb36/jimcampbell2000/The%20Rook%2008-23_zpsfw0eypzn.jpg)
Cheers
Jim
I'm wondering why the blokes are wearing coats while she's wandering around in her underwear...
really like this topic so i will put my own Swipe\Homage, whatever to see if it can be rebooted back to life.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/7a50e11992ff2f01d4e8b8ab69fdc1d3/tumblr_ouy4wa79Ya1uobbgmo1_1280.jpg)
by james after
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-rSKBz-6BpMA/UcYLjRuiC5I/AAAAAAAAICw/9b9PcoNIVJI/s1600/flesh3.jpg)
Ramon Sola
Published in the same year as the Terra-Meks story in Ro-Busters.
Cover by Angus McKie
(http://i66.tinypic.com/sfz51w.jpg)
Quote from: Albion on 13 November, 2017, 07:57:12 AM
Published in the same year as the Terra-Meks story in Ro-Busters.
Cover by Angus McKie
Didn't Angus share a studio with Dave Gibbons? Might be a bit of Ro-Busters in there as well.
Quote from: Albion on 13 November, 2017, 07:57:12 AM
Published in the same year as the Terra-Meks story in Ro-Busters.
Cover by Angus McKie
Already spotted - see Page 11 of this thread. The original link to the image from Omni #1 is dead though so if someone wants to look into that... :)
Quote from: Spikes on 06 August, 2014, 05:44:02 PM
Quote from: Gypsum on 06 August, 2014, 02:54:37 PM
Thinking about that picture, I'm not sure which came first. Was it swiped or the swiper?
Any takers?
Is the artist for that painting Angus McKie?
I had thought it had been used in one of the TTA books, but on digging the books out, its not the same, but does share some similarities. (The TTA book is from '79, btw.)
(http://i.imgur.com/HB3gNEI.jpg)
TTA was famous for using images that had been around for a good few years previous, so unless it was commissioned directly for use in that issue of Omni, its kinda hard to date - well, without an artists name, etc..
My kids have this drawing book:
(https://i.imgur.com/Zf0DQKX.jpg)
It's not all original work. You can see where it gets some of its inspiration from.
(https://i.imgur.com/o7zrJvj.jpg)
I was amazed to see this "Space Robot"!
(https://i.imgur.com/6SuyXlY.jpg)
Having seen Mr H in the book, it was then pretty obvious what inspired "Space Warrior". Just look at that helmet for a start!
(https://i.imgur.com/tpAM79c.jpg)
Not a swipe, more a homage. The cover to Leviathan is obviously inspired by the poster for the SS Normandie (has this appeared in the preceding 23 pages of this thread?)
Xerox: 50 posters that rocked the world (https://www.xerox.co.uk/en-gb/digital-printing/insights/custom-poster-prints)
you mean this:
(https://www.xerox.com/sites/default/files/50-posters-16.jpg)
Dont know if this was just an Irish think, but I do remember this Chrisp packet knocking around in the 80's:
Captain Chrisp
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6d/84/51/6d8451914e988bf879dac40a4873be34.jpg)
(http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/3359962/original/?width=594&version=3359962)
maybe David for http://hiberniabook.blogspot.ie/ (http://hiberniabook.blogspot.ie/) might have some insight?
It was just an Irish thing.
http://forums.2000ad.com/index.php?topic=29533.msg879899#msg879899
Class!, thanks Joe, for the insight.
Feck! My brother and I used to have a Captain Crisps poster on our bedroom wall. His arch enemies were Hyprum and Krispos, if I remember rightly.
Also, you've just reminded me of how he used to tote packets of Captain Crisps crisps on his belt, presumably showing a picture of himself toting packets of Captain Crisps crisps on his belt, continuing into infinity.
That's called the Droste Effect, I think - after the nurse/nun on the Droste cocoa powder.
Quote from: JayzusB.Christ on 04 February, 2018, 12:20:19 PM
Feck! My brother and I used to have a Captain Crisps poster on our bedroom wall. His arch enemies were Hyprum and Krispos, if I remember rightly.
Which one of those is the Judge Death analogue?
Quote from: sheridan on 09 February, 2018, 09:39:11 PM
Which one of those is the Judge Death analogue?
More like
The Starborn Thing/General Blood 'n' Nutshttp://ifiplayer.ie/captain-crisps/
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO8bmkuXkAAEH4s.jpg)
(https://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/n_iv/600/859429.jpg)
Reckon you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone that Look and Learn swiped that cover there Joe. ::)
Never heard of the thousand-year-stare?
That's a great spot!
...& suddenly Stevie is no longer wracked by guilt re: his retelling of that particular Suoercover Saga in his Grade 5 Composition book.
Cheers Joe!
Not really a swipe, but a couple of the internal balcony scenes in Dredd (2012) remind me of this panel from Harry on the High Rock.
(https://i.imgur.com/wRfCWHX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lk3h1id.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M2cjJh5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uWsZVPx.jpg)
No matter how many times I see this I can't convince myself that the connection is much more than 'barbarian v. dinosaur'. There's so much more going on in Angie's splash, and it fits so well with her heavily-worked Druillet thing (see also: Manco), and Jim's whole style is almost the opposite of that. I've no doubt that his work was a massive influence on the whole idea of Sláine, I'm just not convinced this image itself is a direct swipe/inspiration.
While I imagine Jim Fitzpatrick is an influence on Sláine, personally I believe it's not a huge leap to suggest that Sláine has influenced him too. Is my memory failing me or did one of the original Horned God GNs have one of his quotes on the back cover?
Not suggesting that he's ripping Angie off or anything - he's far too established an artist to need to imitate anyone - but given that he's aware of Sláine (iirc), he may well have taken some inspiration.
Just spotted this on Reddit. Coincidence? Possibly, but it's a VERY similar concept.
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/m3wwgc/til_that_star_trek_the_next_generation_was_to/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/m3wwgc/til_that_star_trek_the_next_generation_was_to/)
http://www.theoldrobots.com/images111/Electro-2.JPG
They were in The Fall And Rise Of Ro-Jaws and Hammerstein in a slightly altered form
Satanus Unchained is a total rip-off of the dinosaur in Judge Dredd's The Cursed Earth saga - they both have the same name, and are both set in same location within the same shared universe. Couldn't be more obvious.
I'm surprised nobody else has spotted this one.
you are quite the wag, sir
Prog 2048 has a very familiar Dredd on a Lawmaster.
https://shop.2000ad.com/catalogue/PRG2048D
https://www.heldenshop.de/judge-dredd-lawmaster-statue-p-54576.php?language=en
And yet with an added shoulder pad error.
Don't remember ever seeing this mentioned before. From the novel Logan's Run. A pretty fair approximation of the Lawgiver. Includes a better explanation for why there's six kinds of ammo and even a shout-out to the Father of Justice himself.
(https://imgur.com/a/UVOiVO9)
"a handgun with selectable ordnance keyed to self-destruct if touched by an individual who is not the proper owner" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan%27s_Run)
Oh, man! Even the destruct mechanism is cribbed.
I feel far fewer guilts about my various acts of minor plagiarism now.
Ah. There's supposed to be a picture on that last post but it's not showing up. Here's the gist:
QuoteOnly a DS man could carry a Gun. Each weapon was coded to the operative's hand pattern, set to detonate on any other human contact.
Logan reached in and closed his have around the big pearl-handled revolver, drawing it free of it's snug velvet nest.
He checked it; full load, six charges: tangler, needler, ripper, nitro, bald vapor and homer.
Here's your image:
(https://i.imgur.com/yAWNpqv.jpeg)
Quote from: I, Cosh on 24 October, 2021, 02:59:32 PM
Don't remember ever seeing this mentioned before. From the novel Logan's Run.
Hmmm. Are we talking about the novel written by Nolan and Johnson in 1967? IIRC there's a Time Twister about this one ...