Hey guys,
Anyone know if the language of Mega-City 1 finds it's way into the script (I hear the script is out there, but I'll be hearing it for the 1st time when I see the film cos I don't wanna spoil the story) but a few Drokks & Gruds would be great.
As for the Images that are out there I'm kinda excited, when I 1st saw basic automobiles as catchwagons I was somewhat miffed, but reading the various comments on here about this being the origins of Dredd hopefully it'll work.
I just hope there's some sort of grand scale to the films interpretation of
Mega-City 1, even if the main story doesn't travel that far from one city block.
Going to be a long wait...
S.
I don't think there's any Dredd swearing in the script, lots of effing and jeffing though.
It may have changed in later drafts I suppose but I doubt it. We'll be getting real, proper swearing in the film.
I'm firmly of the opinion that pretend swearing simply doesn't work when said aloud, and they definitely shouldn't use it in the film, BUT I'm also slightly uncomfortable with the idea of a 'proper' swearing-heavy Dredd movie....
On a related note, one of my pet hates with regards to Dredd (the comic) is when writers get too creative with the D word - Motherdrokker, go Drokk yorself etc etc. A one-off exclamation of 'DROKK!' is fine but anything else just doesn't seem right to me and is just a signal that John Wagner didn't write this particular script.
A broader swearing related pet-hate of mine is the use of swearing in videogames. Occasionally - very, very occasionally it's acceptable and lends authenticity, but at the moment it seems to me that games are in that phase like when you're at school and you realise that you can get away with swearing in short stories, so you fill all of your creative writing with expletives. It just comes across as immature and makes me cringe a little.
I'm with you on the over use of swearing Rads. I had an argument the other day with friends watching Sparticus Gods of the Arena. I argued the over use of fuck just didn't seem to sit well as it was totally unnecessary, especially with the lengths they had gone to write the script in a particular idiom. They argued it felt more authentic. Then Lucy Lawless' breasts came on screen and we stopped arguing.
I never felt the pretend swearing in Farscape distracted from the story and seemed to work well. OK so I didn't mind the muppets either so maybe I'm no judge.
Hmm. If there isn't at least one use of 'drokk' in the new Dredd movie, I'll be disappointed.
Quote from: Stu101 on 11 February, 2011, 02:50:51 PM
Hey guys,
Anyone know if the language of Mega-City 1 finds it's way into the script (I hear the script is out there, but I'll be hearing it for the 1st time when I see the film cos I don't wanna spoil the story) but a few Drokks & Gruds would be great.
As for the Images that are out there I'm kinda excited, when I 1st saw basic automobiles as catchwagons I was somewhat miffed, but reading the various comments on here about this being the origins of Dredd hopefully it'll work.
I just hope there's some sort of grand scale to the films interpretation of
Mega-City 1, even if the main story doesn't travel that far from one city block.
Going to be a long wait...
S.
I don't think the film deals with Dredds origins.... the basic automobiles are there for budget reasons, not story reasons.
I think that Grud works in the place of God though. I sometimes use that word - I think that wouldn't be to far out to use in the Film even though it wasn't in the draft that I read.
Quote from: Buddy (previusly Uncle Umpty) on 11 February, 2011, 03:57:10 PMI don't think the film deals with Dredds origins.... the basic automobiles are there for budget reasons, not story reasons.
Not strictly true either way. It's not an origins story, but it
is set before or near the start of the run of comics. So the basic vehicles can be attributed to a slightly lower tech level.
Quote from: radiator on 11 February, 2011, 03:12:23 PM
I'm firmly of the opinion that pretend swearing simply doesn't work when said aloud, and they definitely shouldn't use it in the film,
On the whole I'd agree, but I did once watch the first 3 seasons of BSG back to back and couldn't stop saying 'Frack it' for weeks! (and cutting the corners off all my papers)
Quote from: James Stacey on 11 February, 2011, 03:21:17 PM
Then Lucy Lawless' breasts came on screen and we stopped arguing.
Works everytime for me to but then I end up drooling on the carpet :) :P
There has got to be some Drokk's in it for Grud's sake :lol:
GRUD ON A BIKE!!!
Stomm!
The language of Dredd?
Surely it will be English with an American accent.
V
"Grud on a Greenie!"
Can't stand use of "judged" as in "you have been judged". I swear that has appeared in the comic as a result of that film.
"I am the Law!" might've worked for me as a kid when uttered by a McMahon Dredd in the 70s but came over just plain silly in (you guessed it) that film.
Quote"I am the Law!" might've worked for me as a kid when uttered by a McMahon Dredd in the 70s but came over just plain silly in (you guessed it) that film.
I don't think it is the 'catchphrase' that was wrong, it was just the way Stallone delivered it.
I AM (pause) THE LAW!
I have always heard it as:
I (pause) AM THE LAW!
"The law protects the innocent, and I (pause) am the law."
Yeah, as a standalone I thought it sounded pretty dopey in the Stallone movie, but I think it could possibly work as an addition to a statement.
I'd like to hear 'meathead' in there though...
They said 'Drokk' in the Stallone film, and it didn't make that one any good...
I think if you're going to have it, it needs to be used throughout the film and it also would need to be bolstered with other Mega City jargon.
Pedways and Underskeds, Juves and 'dults - it wouldn't sound so freakishly odd if the Drokks are surrounded with other Megspeak.
Yes it would make it harder for the casual viewer, but I think for this realistic take on Dredd it's probably best left out of it.
"I, am the Law" only needs to be mentioned once in the film, preferably at a point where such an iconic statemant matters and has the most dramatic impact. Less is more for such a thing. The Stallone version missed this idea, in drama and verbal execution, his very first scene and utterance, in a most embarrassing fashion that destroyed the image of Dredd in the mind of the audience for the rest of the duration.
QuoteI'd like to hear 'meathead' in there though...
Absolutely - and creep, perp etc.
I think for me it's not catchphrases or made up swear words that are important to the essence of Dredd - it'll be the mannerisms and attitude that sell it for me - that sort of gruff, sneering, impatient demeanor, and from the sounds of it Urban has utterly nailed this side of things (John Wagner seems to think so, at least!).
Quote from: Cyclopz on 11 February, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
I think that Grud works in the place of God though. I sometimes use that word - I think that wouldn't be to far out to use in the Film even though it wasn't in the draft that I read.
I think the thing I love most about Mega-City One is that 'Grud', rather than being a minced oath, has replaced the word 'God' entirely such that people use it in church.
If anyone in the film says 'God' instead I will be very disappointed.
Isn't the point of "grudd" and "drokk" that swearing is outlawed - instant fine, or arrest... so the alternatives are used, and as such become common use?
Quote from: lborl on 13 February, 2011, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: Cyclopz on 11 February, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
I think that Grud works in the place of God though. I sometimes use that word - I think that wouldn't be to far out to use in the Film even though it wasn't in the draft that I read.
I think the thing I love most about Mega-City One is that 'Grud', rather than being a minced oath, has replaced the word 'God' entirely such that people use it in church.
If anyone in the film says 'God' instead I will be very disappointed.
People say 'God' all the time in Judge Dredd though. I can't think of any examples at the moment (I'm at work) but I'll have a look when I get home.
I'm pretty sure there are a few utterances of 'God' in Mandroid at least.
Quote from: Lee Bates on 14 February, 2011, 09:38:29 AM
Quote from: lborl on 13 February, 2011, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: Cyclopz on 11 February, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
I think that Grud works in the place of God though. I sometimes use that word - I think that wouldn't be to far out to use in the Film even though it wasn't in the draft that I read.
I think the thing I love most about Mega-City One is that 'Grud', rather than being a minced oath, has replaced the word 'God' entirely such that people use it in church.
If anyone in the film says 'God' instead I will be very disappointed.
People say 'God' all the time in Judge Dredd though. I can't think of any examples at the moment (I'm at work) but I'll have a look when I get home.
I know they say it in the ''TOTAL WAR'' arc.
Always loved Stomm! as a word , It's all F-ing and blindin' in the script , I don't personally like it , newspeak is better , but will the masses understand it (I don't care if they don't , language changes all the time you just have to read Chaucer or Shakespeare to know that , the new megaspeak swear words would make it more authentic
Quote from: Toni Scandella on 13 February, 2011, 11:54:13 AM
They said 'Drokk' in the Stallone film, and it didn't make that one any good...
"Holy Drokk!"
That moment still makes me cringe.
If Urban is as Ezquerra like as John Wagner say's he is I hope he does say Drokk It! in this film (won't happen though :()
'I knew you'd say that' *projectile vomits. Hard.* >:(
Reading the floppy john higgins collection this morning, while in the loo, and horrified to see that a tiny 'shit' was lurking in its pages. Inthe first story, about the breakdown of judge white. It stuck out like a stommy willy at a drokk party.
SBT
Quote from: SmallBlueThing on 15 February, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
Reading the floppy john higgins collection this morning, while in the loo, and horrified to see that a tiny 'shit' was lurking in its pages. Inthe first story, about the breakdown of judge white. It stuck out like a stommy willy at a drokk party.
SBT
My Dokk! no ?
Quote from: radiator on 13 February, 2011, 12:50:38 PM
I think for me it's not catchphrases or made up swear words that are important to the essence of Dredd - it'll be the mannerisms and attitude that sell it for me - that sort of gruff, sneering, impatient demeanor.
I've never seen Dredd as 'sneering' or 'impatient' - he's simply a man of few words. Terse, gruff, maybe a bit clipped. It's one of the things that makes me cringe a bit in Dredd scripts by Ewing, Spurrier, Rennie, etc, where Dredd's constantly snapping at other judges to 'shut up', making him seem terribly petty; Wagner Dredd, in the same position, would simply growl something like 'That'll do,' or deliver one of his deadpan witticisms.**
**One of my fave examples is at the end of Mandroid - Tek Judge Wilson holds up one of Nate's severed robotic limbs, and grins 'Now he's armless.' Dredd rumbles with dissaproval from the background 'We don't need
that sort of humour, Wilson.'
QuoteI've never seen Dredd as 'sneering' or 'impatient'
We frequently see Dredd bristling with impatience as he is forced to converse with everyday Mega-Citizens (just think of how he communicates with Walter and Mrs Gunderson) and Justice Department pen-pushers, and we see him regularly shirking paperwork and the like. We've also seen him attempting to deal with downtime, but he's always impatient to get back to the streets.
As for sneering - perhaps that's not the exact right word - but I was thinking in particular of how we'll see him interacting with Anderson in the film - [spoiler]he makes it quite clear from the off that he isn't impressed with her and makes a dismissive comment early on about her being a 'mutant' - I think Wagner described Urban as having a 'scowl' that Carlos could have drawn.[/spoiler]
'DROKK'S great and all but arnt we forgetting the ultimate 2000ad swear word 'FUNT' i rest my case. :lol:
Not a fan of swearing in the prog in general, but 'F.B.I.' in Button Man 3 was pretty cool!
Quote from: Lee Bates on 11 February, 2011, 02:57:42 PM
I don't think there's any Dredd swearing in the script, lots of effing and jeffing though.
If that's the case then they so should have cast Windsor Davies in place of Karl Urban.