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Re: Current TV Boxset Addiction
« Reply #1770 on: 22 February, 2018, 11:44:07 pm »
I guess I'm not seeing much so far to dissuade me from the notion that Stranger Things should have been a self-contained miniseries.

Which it was, really: it has an entirely satisfying conclusion, with no loose ends to speak of (apart from Barb).  There was no need for subsequent seasons, but I see it as an entertaining bonus to get to spend more time with the characters, or in Will's case, any time.

I said so at the time it aired, but I am 100% convinced that the first season was conceived and pitched as a standalone series with a definitive ending. As you say, it comes to a pretty satisfying conclusion, and what dangling threads there are seem like they were tagged on at the last minute.

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« Reply #1771 on: 23 February, 2018, 11:02:33 am »
I was disappointed when they announced a second season, because even the dangling threads just felt like the kind of dangling threads you get at the end of any standalone eighties horror film. I didn't feel any need to see them resolved (in fact they're arguably more effective left alone), and I'd enjoyed the first season so much that I just wanted it to stand on its own. I thought at the time that maybe an anthology series might be a more interesting way of keeping the brand going, and I think I might even have heard that was the idea at one point. Those S1 characters must have just proved way too popular to move on from I suppose.

All of that being said, I did really enjoy season 2. Not as much as the first, but I can't say I felt it was a worse in any significant way, just a bit less of a fresh surprise. There's some great stuff in it (Hooper and Eleven carried the whole thing for me, and the fact that the school bully looks like Rab Florence kept giving me a chuckle) and some lovely soundtrack moments. I hadn't heard 'Runaway' by Bon Jovi since childhood so that was a joy, and I really liked when at one point they acknowledged how much of a debt the score owes to John Carpenter by just plain using John Carpenter score (it was Bank Robbery from EFNY if I remember correctly).

So I liked it, but also agree with a lot of the criticisms I've heard of it. Can't say I'd be clamoring for a season 3, would be nice if great things could just be left to be great cool things that happened instead of being dragged out.

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« Reply #1772 on: 23 February, 2018, 05:14:10 pm »
The episode where Eleven joins a gang is just plain weird, and not helped by some really painfully ropey acting by the girl that plays Eight. Ouch!

Overall I thought it was a very patchy season. The various plot threads and characters being so dispersed gave it a very loose, disconnected feeling, and it didn't have the same feeling of stakes that season 1 did. In some ways it felt a lot smaller and less urgent.

It also beats me why you'd choose to introduce a host of new characters to a series that arguably already has far too many of them. Bob in particular was a totally useless character. I kept expecting some sort of twist relating to him, but nope - he's just there as cannon fodder to artificially raise the stakes, and - I suppose - give Joyce something (anything) to do other than endlessly screaming about "my son!".

As for where it goes from here, it's hard to imagine much they can do with this premise and these characters in this setting other than yet more wheel spinning.

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« Reply #1773 on: 23 February, 2018, 08:41:20 pm »
I said so at the time it aired, but I am 100% convinced that the first season was conceived and pitched as a standalone series with a definitive ending. As you say, it comes to a pretty satisfying conclusion, and what dangling threads there are seem like they were tagged on at the last minute.

It's both: since ST was basically conceived as an IT clone – and this being serial TV – it has the built-in open-endedness of being continued, if successful, but also works as a stand-alone without the need to shoot a wrap-up season if the reception happened to turn out less than great. I can see them leaving the cliff-hanger in anyway because it's another 80s throwback.

This is the final page of the original pitch/bible when the series was called Montauk:


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« Reply #1774 on: 23 February, 2018, 08:52:43 pm »
Been resisting the urge for months but finally gave in - just started another re-watch of Babylon 5.


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« Reply #1775 on: 23 February, 2018, 09:59:01 pm »
Been resisting the urge for months but finally gave in - just started another re-watch of Babylon 5.

I just did from the middle of Season 3 to just after the end of the Shadow War - I only intended to watch Messages from Earth, but I got caught up in it all again. (I did Z'ha'dum twice in a row, once with the commentary.) That stretch really is the show's imperial phase.
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« Reply #1776 on: 23 February, 2018, 10:10:33 pm »
I keep expecting the first few episodes to be rubbish but they're not. Knowing what's to come is half the pleasure. I really hope they don't re-boot it. Updating the effects shots might work, like they did with ST:TOS, but it really doesn't need such faffing about. I still think it's the closest thing to a perfect sci-fi show that I've ever seen, or am ever likely to see.

Looking forward to being moved by Londo and G'Kar again!


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« Reply #1777 on: 23 February, 2018, 10:18:03 pm »
I keep expecting the first few episodes to be rubbish but they're not. Knowing what's to come is half the pleasure.

The start and the end (especially the end) of Season 1 are largely all right - it's the middle of the season when it starts to get a bit gruelling. The episodes clustered around the exemplary Signs and Portents are the weakest.

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« Reply #1778 on: 23 February, 2018, 10:28:13 pm »
I can agree with that - I still think it has a higher "hit rate" than any other show, though - including all the Star Treks.

My least favourite episode is Grey 17 is Missing, but even this has its moments.

The show is so well written - I quote it often in RL. One of my favourites is, "what do you want, you moon-faced assassin of joy?" Classic!