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Greg M.

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Red Dwarf XII
« on: 13 October, 2017, 05:57:57 pm »
"Playing soft rock? That's never the right thing to do!"

The Boys from the Dwarf return in 'Cured', an episode which has all the strengths and all the flaws of the series XI episodes - not too surprising, given XI and XII were all shot at the same time.  On the plus side - feels like classic Dwarf, Cat is up-front and centre, and Lister jamming with you-know-who is going to be hard to forget. On the other hand, it starts to unravel in the later stages and has one of show's now-patented super-abrupt endings. (Feels like it needs a closing speech from Lister on the subject of evil, in the manner of his closing monologue in 'Justice'.)

Still great fun though, and on balance more plus than minus - I liked it better than XI's opener.

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #1 on: 13 October, 2017, 06:08:51 pm »
It was a good opener. Hitler if fucking metal?! \m/ When Hitler threw the devil horns I was eating and choked I was laughing so hard. The Happy Wanderer section was priceless.

I think this could be a very, very good series.

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #2 on: 13 October, 2017, 10:29:44 pm »
Would have preferred it if they had said:

"Why haven't they reconstructed Hitler?"
"Too soon."

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #3 on: 14 October, 2017, 11:30:47 am »
It was a good opener. Hitler if fucking metal?! \m/ When Hitler threw the devil horns I was eating and choked I was laughing so hard. The Happy Wanderer section was priceless.

I think this could be a very, very good series.

He reminded me of Hitler from Preacher...

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #4 on: 15 October, 2017, 11:46:49 am »
On the other hand, it starts to unravel in the later stages and has one of show's now-patented super-abrupt endings.

Good consensus generally I'd agree with it - still ambling along pleasantly with enough laughs and inventiveness to keep it from being depressing but yeah, again the major issue tends to be structuring. Cured was a solid enough episode but rather predictable. We figured it was the scientist who was evil from when he first appeared.

I must say though - we did manage to watch the second one already and it's genuinely a belter! Surprisingly had a solid ending scene as well!

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #5 on: 15 October, 2017, 03:04:36 pm »
On the other hand, it starts to unravel in the later stages and has one of show's now-patented super-abrupt endings.

Good consensus generally I'd agree with it - still ambling along pleasantly with enough laughs and inventiveness to keep it from being depressing but yeah, again the major issue tends to be structuring. Cured was a solid enough episode but rather predictable. We figured it was the scientist who was evil from when he first appeared.

I must say though - we did manage to watch the second one already and it's genuinely a belter! Surprisingly had a solid ending scene as well!

The second episode starts really strong and stays there pretty much. Really enjoyable.

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #6 on: 15 October, 2017, 04:40:56 pm »
Agree that the first two episodes of XII were both pretty good.

So far this series seems to be stronger than XI, which I found to be a bit too much like a greatest hits remix album.

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #7 on: 18 October, 2017, 09:38:15 am »
Enjoyed the first ep more than the xi series. I'd like them to explore more the concept that 3 million years have passed rather than always be a 2x00C ship/research base but I understand budget and ascetic are against them there. It was a core concept of the first season and has been largely forgotten since then :) My only gripe is Why must every episode have a ship/base that has been there for millions of years suddenly be destroyed within hours of the small rouge one appearing? If there are some knowing nods to it or it becomes an episode plot point, all good. Otherwise its a lazy motivator (which wasn't even needed in the last episode for any good reason).
Loads of fun though, really glad its still kicking ass all these years later.

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #8 on: 20 October, 2017, 11:33:04 am »
Not sure what to make of 'Siliconia'. (Yes, I waited a week to watch it.) I thought it started brilliantly - the opening set of gags featuring Kryten being harassed were great, particularly the bit with Lister, which was the comedy highlight of the episode. As it went on, I felt that (yet again) too much was being crammed in - but you certainly can't fault Doug Naylor for ambition. However, I didn't like the Deus Ex Machina ending at all, however good the sfx were. Interesting that Craig Charles - the best actor in the programme - made least impact as a mechanoid. Maybe acting through that outfit requires a broader style such as that employed by Chris and Danny.

And as for the continuity call-backs - that must be the most any episode's ever indulged in. Lister's spaceborne guitar makes this kind of a sequel to 'Fathers and Suns' (why didn't he just borrow one of Hitler's guitars from the last episode?), but we had fan-pleasing references to Kryten's ability to lie, The Om Song and even a brief "Smee-hee!"

Overall? Not quite there, but a noble attempt, and with enough to recommend it. I suspect the back-end of this series is going to turn out to be the best, as that's where the Rimmer-centric episodes seem to be lurking.

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #9 on: 20 October, 2017, 11:56:40 am »
Aye, an awful lot to like but a fair few bits that didn't quite work.

Loved all the continuity callbacks, and the episode looked fantastic - but so much about the mechanoids (and Siliconia especially) were just not explained properly. Best thing about it for me was (small surprise) Rimmer's story; finding peace and contentment in servitude was a fascinating way to take the character, but it was a subplot that went absolutely nowhere. Still, a success overall. Think I prefer Series XI to XII so far, though...

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #10 on: 20 October, 2017, 12:11:19 pm »
Best thing about it for me was (small surprise) Rimmer's story

Agreed - Rimmer's been well-served by the Dave era. We've gotten a lot of insight into different facets of his character, as well as a fair bit of development. (Series X's 'The Beginning' remains the high point of contemporary Dwarf.)

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #12 on: 20 October, 2017, 12:36:53 pm »
I loved the 'left turn only' stuff.
Chris Barrie's Kryten impression was brilliant.
The MILF's support group was hilarious and I was greatly amused by the whole 'beret and shades' look.

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Re: Red Dwarf XII
« Reply #13 on: 20 October, 2017, 02:31:09 pm »
Yeah, the left turn gag got the biggest laugh in our living room too. Was another okay episode, interesting to see some comments that it's an improvement on series XI, because we found that to be really top drawer vintage Dwarf right from the get-go, and while I'm enjoying this season a lot it isn't hitting the mark for me yet the way XI did.

Still decent Dwarf though, still enjoying it and still think it's great that it's still going and isn't bad.

Greg M.

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