Does anyone know if this first and only issue of Judge Dredd fortnightly was actually published or just a dummy for internal consideration? And what were the Dredd and Anderson stories inside -- new or reprints? And if new stories, have they appeared anywhere since?
Is it my imagination but wasn't that Mike Carroll's entry to the art comp or some such one time?
Found it here: http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/sp020.htm (http://www.michaelowencarroll.com/sp020.htm)
Mike Carroll's computery fun!
The comic did exist, and I migh be on the trail of what the cover was. Time will tell.
The contents of the comic were to be;
Anderson
Bad Company
Blockers
Soul of a Judge/Blood Cadet
Helltrekkers
Quote from: maryanddavid on 27 May, 2017, 02:07:06 PM
Mike Carroll's computery fun!
The comic did exist, and I migh be on the trail of what the cover was. Time will tell.
The contents of the comic were to be;
Anderson
Bad Company
Blockers
Soul of a Judge/Blood Cadet
Helltrekkers
That's pretty much what I was going to say, both about Mike Carroll's piccy and the proposed line-up (I'd probably have forgotten Blockers and that Blood Cadet one though). Blood Cadet was the Alan Moore one, right?
Quote from: sheridan on 27 May, 2017, 04:50:16 PM
Quote from: maryanddavid on 27 May, 2017, 02:07:06 PM
Mike Carroll's computery fun!
The comic did exist, and I migh be on the trail of what the cover was. Time will tell.
The contents of the comic were to be;
Anderson
Bad Company
Blockers
Soul of a Judge/Blood Cadet
Helltrekkers
That's pretty much what I was going to say, both about Mike Carroll's piccy and the proposed line-up (I'd probably have forgotten Blockers and that Blood Cadet one though). Blood Cadet was the Alan Moore one, right?
Alan Moore and Mike Collin's 'Judge on Long Walk' story was
The Badlander – which was also part of the 36 page dummy fortnightly.
Blood Cadet was Ian Gibson and TB Grover.
Are those stories available anywhere else?
Helltrekkers (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=thrill&page=profiles&choice=helltrek) made it to full series in the prog. The Blockers (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=MEGA88) was published in the first Judge Dredd Mega-Special and then reprinted in The Restricted Files Restricted Files 02. The original B.A.D. Company (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=megprofiles&choice=4.15) was eventually published in Megazine 4.15. One fully drawn episode of Badlander (https://books.google.ie/books?id=AEnVgVDd8m0C&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=the+badlander+alan+moore&source=bl&ots=sktPC65n99&sig=RC0D-3IVjHemk2UJjwYUT5c29Y4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiV6bmL5pDUAhXHIMAKHU7ODaYQ6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=the%20badlander%20alan%20moore&f=false) apparently exists but has yet to be published. Portions of Blood Cadet(s) (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=SCIFI86) may have been reformatted as a one page featurette in the 2000AD SCI-FI SPECIAL 1986.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/2000adsc-fispecial198657_zpsdkdwe7bf.jpg)
Thanks Joe.
So there's an unpublished Judge Dredd story by John Wagner and Ian Gibson somewhere in Tharg's archives which has never seen the light of day (apart from a couple of panels)? Tharg should get it out there immediately!
Are there any copies you could buy: on ebay or somewhere similar?
Quote from: Max Headroom on 28 May, 2017, 08:28:17 PM
Are there any copies you could buy: on ebay or somewhere similar?
The comic never got past being a dummy concept so it doesn't really exist and never reached publication. Michael Carroll's cover page is a re-imagining of what the cover might have looked like if it did exist.
But in Michael Carroll's article (link elsewhere in this thread) it states that it was only dumped after a single issue hit the shelves...
The blurb is part of Mike's hoax. The cover was made as a fun 'what if?'
Oh, okay - thanks, Joe. But the 'Blood Cadets' story does exist somewhere?
Quote from: Max Headroom on 28 May, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
Oh, okay - thanks, Joe. But the 'Blood Cadets' story does exist somewhere?
All the stories apparently exist/existed, published and unpublished, just not in a single Judge Dredd comic.
Mike Collins had the Badlander artwork at one of the cons (Lawgiver I think), no lettering from what I recall.
QuoteAll the stories apparently exist/existed, published and unpublished
Yeah, Tharg needs to fix that.
Anyone know what the 'Anderson' story was?
I'm not sure if timings fit, but there was a Grant/Ewins dark judges story which Brett did some concept dark judges for.
Think it might have been posted on Dale's 2000AD Tat and Chat FB Group.
It never happened but they eventually made a cameo in a story where alt dimension Judges from Judda-city One where the Judda rule.
Maybe that one?
oh how i would LOVE it if ol' green bonce were to put together a copy of this and the legendary Prog 0 for us to have physical copies of and hold in our thrill hungry hands.
megazine floppys perhaps?
Most of the material has appeared.
Helltrekkers, the first Anderson appeared in the Prog, Bad Company by W&G and Carlos appeared in the Meg in an article.
Blockers was in one of the Mega Specials, Badlander, first episode art completed, and the script exits too. The cadets tale was retooled and appeared in Lawman of the Future.
What is the "legendary Prog 0" terryworld talks of? (Is this yet another publication I have no knowledge of!)
QuoteThe cadets tale was retooled and appeared in Lawman of the Future.
I can't see on Barney that Ian Gibson did a story for LotF, so I take it that "retooled" means "completely redone from scratch." Many other stories in that comic were just re-tellings of classic tales from the prog, like Judge Death and The Graveyard Shift.
I want to see the Wagner & Gibson original.
Quote from: Max Headroom on 29 May, 2017, 11:53:13 AM
What is the "legendary Prog 0" terryworld talks of? (Is this yet another publication I have no knowledge of!)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/comics/2000adstrips/prog0/index.shtml
Fascinating how Joe can bestow his bountiful wisdom upon us, and it doesn't feel like being slowly and painfully lectured to death.
I'm respectfully lazy so just the facts, will do.
Quote from: Richard on 29 May, 2017, 11:57:59 AM
QuoteThe cadets tale was retooled and appeared in Lawman of the Future.
I can't see on Barney that Ian Gibson did a story for LotF, so I take it that "retooled" means "completely redone from scratch." Many other stories in that comic were just re-tellings of classic tales from the prog, like Judge Death and The Graveyard Shift.
Night Patrol (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=lotf02) issue#2
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDLotF_Issue_02_Page_05_zpshy7ghi0d.jpg)
Yet again i am forced to wonder why Simon Fraser doesn't draw more Dredd. That's gorgeous.
Thanks Joe!
As I suspected, Ian Gibson's version has yet to see the light of day.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 May, 2017, 09:27:08 PM
Quote from: Richard on 29 May, 2017, 11:57:59 AM
QuoteThe cadets tale was retooled and appeared in Lawman of the Future.
I can't see on Barney that Ian Gibson did a story for LotF, so I take it that "retooled" means "completely redone from scratch." Many other stories in that comic were just re-tellings of classic tales from the prog, like Judge Death and The Graveyard Shift.
Night Patrol (http://www.2000ad.org/?zone=prog&page=specials&choice=lotf02) issue#2
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDLotF_Issue_02_Page_05_zpshy7ghi0d.jpg)
Looking forward to diving into LOTF after picking up a complete run cheap recently and having only picked up a few issues on its initial release.
I'm curious to see how the '95 movie spinoff title holds up 22 years later!
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 May, 2017, 10:13:00 PM
Looking forward to diving into LOTF after picking up a complete run cheap recently and having only picked up a few issues on its initial release.
I'm curious to see how the '95 movie spinoff title holds up 22 years later!
If it doesn't include the Action Special – whatever was left-over after the comic was cancelled – it's not 'complete'.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/3c219dcb-2055-4b02-9ffc-5fd9963b3b56_zpsyld815sz.jpg)
It features a Wacky Races style Mega-City 5000.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/ae7107fa-94c4-4844-89a9-2e4a7befa133_zpsv7n7iojt.jpg)
Action Special isn't on Barney for some reason.
It's a comic that fell down the back of the sofa.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 May, 2017, 10:37:02 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 May, 2017, 10:13:00 PM
Looking forward to diving into LOTF after picking up a complete run cheap recently and having only picked up a few issues on its initial release.
I'm curious to see how the '95 movie spinoff title holds up 22 years later!
If it doesn't include the Action Special – whatever was left-over after the comic was cancelled – it's not 'complete'.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/3c219dcb-2055-4b02-9ffc-5fd9963b3b56_zpsyld815sz.jpg)
It features a Wacky Races style Mega-City 5000.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/ae7107fa-94c4-4844-89a9-2e4a7befa133_zpsv7n7iojt.jpg)
Yeah, cheers Joe!
Did my research and ordered that on eBay! :) :thumbsup:
There's some really good art in LOTF-just a shame it's the '95 movie uniform and its' Dredd has to find creative ways not to Hi-Ex perps!
It's a "kid's comic" after all!
That's why it only lasted 23 issues. If it had been more like the real Dredd it would have lasted longer.
Michael Carroll once said that LotF's Dredd was missing two key ingredients -- his balls.
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 May, 2017, 11:32:43 PM
There's some really good art in LOTF-just a shame it's the '95 movie uniform
The '95 uniform looks better in the comic than it does on-screen.
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 29 May, 2017, 11:48:16 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 May, 2017, 11:32:43 PM
There's some really good art in LOTF-just a shame it's the '95 movie uniform
The '95 uniform looks better in the comic than it does on-screen.
I don't know, the dreaded (or should that be Dredded?) codpiece of doom literally leaps out of the page with the more primary comic strip palette.
At least Adrian Biddle's rain soaked visuals do a better job of hiding it! :lol:
There's some really stand-out art in the Action Special with a better intro to Spikes Harvey Rotten.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDAS-00005_zpsexntvuyg.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDAS-00008_zpsmjf1zejy.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDAS-00006-00007_zps6802ehto.jpg)
And a very un-movie like Angel Gang.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDAS-00041_zps201olype.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDAS-00043_zpsc5mxjh6s.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDAS-00050_zpshcd4pm4p.jpg)
That looks genuinely fantastic Joe!
Thanks for sharing!!! :)
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 May, 2017, 10:13:00 PM
Looking forward to diving into LOTF after picking up a complete run cheap recently and having only picked up a few issues on its initial release.
I'm curious to see how the '95 movie spinoff title holds up 22 years later!
Cheap is the only way you
can pick up LotF :D Despite being tainted by association with the 1995 film, there is some real creative talent behind the comic.
Quote from: sheridan on 31 May, 2017, 12:56:24 PM
Quote from: dweezil2 on 29 May, 2017, 10:13:00 PM
Looking forward to diving into LOTF after picking up a complete run cheap recently and having only picked up a few issues on its initial release.
I'm curious to see how the '95 movie spinoff title holds up 22 years later!
Cheap is the only way you can pick up LotF :D Despite being tainted by association with the 1995 film, there is some real creative talent behind the comic.
Working through the issues.
Surprised to see John Wagner's name attached to so many of the stories-his workload must of been immense at the time!
Some good Gordon Rennie penned tales and lovely art from the likes of Jim Murray.
Many stories seem retooled from previous Prog tales, which imbue them with a nostalgic glow!
I do remember the Judge Death story from Robbie Morrison and Alex Ronald being particularly memorable at the time as these were the only issues I picked up on release.
So far, so interesting.
I've only read through the series once, and I didn't find it bad. Yes, it's a much softer take on Dredd, but quite a lot of the writing and art was perfectly decent.
That Action Special, though – I had no idea about its existence. Those scans suggest I need a copy.
Quote from: IndigoPrime on 31 May, 2017, 07:56:53 PM
I've only read through the series once, and I didn't find it bad. Yes, it's a much softer take on Dredd, but quite a lot of the writing and art was perfectly decent.
That Action Special, though – I had no idea about its existence. Those scans suggest I need a copy.
New copies available here:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320846941668 :)
Quote from: JOE SOAP on 30 May, 2017, 12:48:53 AM
There's some really stand-out art in the Action Special with a better intro to Spikes Harvey Rotten.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff248/burlearth/JDAS-00005_zpsexntvuyg.jpg)
Hang on! What's Dezz Linkman saying in the second panel? "The race was ONE by..." One? Tsk, tsk Tharg. If you're aiming it at children, you could at least help them with their spelling.
Not only that, but Linkman says at the very start that each contestant must cross the city by land. So why has that simp in the double page spread been allowed to fly a unicyclocopter? Oh, the inconsistency! It's as if Tharg thinks he publishing an entertaining, amusing comic or something!