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Jacqusie

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #15 on: 28 May, 2017, 05:25:19 pm »


Brink with eposition framed so wonderfully that you don't notice what's being done. Another conversation dominates the episode and so much is achieved by doing this.


Sorry Colin, I'm another one who has a polar opinion on Brink. I don't notice what's being done because NOTHING much is being done. More chit-chat (and very short lines at that) back and forth is annoying for me.

I don't want to do people like yourself who enjoy it down, there are clearly many who like Dan Abnett and his style of scripts, but I'm not a big fan of this series.

I can't tell you what happened last series and I can't get into this one either. Blah blah blah... GET ON WITH IT!

It makes Pat Mills' stories seem rather action packed!  ::)

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #16 on: 28 May, 2017, 06:35:02 pm »
Oh dear oh dear oh dear, how could so many brilliant people be so wrong about Brink, the single best strip in the line up right now.  :|


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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #17 on: 28 May, 2017, 07:15:24 pm »
I'm with Colin and Hawk on this. Not only is Brink the best thing in the Prog right now, it is he best "new" strip of the last few years.  Or possibly tied with Jaegir - but way ahead of say Brass Sun.

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #18 on: 28 May, 2017, 08:04:02 pm »
Sorry Colin, I'm another one who has a polar opinion on Brink. I don't notice what's being done because NOTHING much is being done. More chit-chat (and very short lines at that) back and forth is annoying for me...


Can't agree less, I'm afraid.  The page 2 conversation reflects the worst excesses of American comics...

See this is interesting. I don't normally worry about a back and fore between folk cos I like this and you like that, after all that's one of the great joys of 2000ad, lots of different stuff enjoyed for different reasons and by getting the stuff you as an individual like, you get to try the other stuff, stuff that you otherwise wouldn't.

So no I'm not coming back to try to change minds or prove a point... well I am actually... better to say to not to win an debate. Rather I think this idea that not much is happening kinda, or that the coinversations are Marvel style padding, illustrates my point as to why I love the strip so much. Its telling its story in glorious different ways.

In the last two parts (just 10 pages) we start from a stand off as our heroes are suddenly confronted by a mob of unknowns. The exchange there establishes that they are shipped in slave labour (nice bit of 2000ad social commentary). It establishes quickly the extent of the horror inflicited in these people. Just one panel framed from behind one of the slaves and we have the terrible way they've been treated physically treated. Another to establishing the other ways by talking about food. We establish so much about our lead, she is still the determined cop, even if she has lost the badge. She still is determined and unafraid. She still has compassion and won't stand for injustice. She thinks big picture too. The first of the episodes, 5 pages does all that, starts the detective process and uses the reaction of the 'goodies' to build tension so the climax matters and you feel their anger and you care too... still on 5 pages in of the 10.

The next 5 are subtler, but for that even better. In a four page conversation we a recap, more character development, a lovely exchange, the defensiveness, all the police work, the entire procedural we might be drooling over if it was say Dredd (Wagner does this so well as well), but here its done through a single conversation. It establishes the revulsion again, it moves on the original mystery (the ghost voices) and by the last of just the four pages we have the villians apparently exposed. The very elites who want their mysteries solving and their commercial ventures back on track (a twist still to come is always possible). We have more of that social commentry started last week. It develops its point further as we learn more. Last page we get the glorious build of tension, we know Bridget is going out of her depth to solve this, taking a massive risk. So this is emphasized by the pause to check her gun outside the apparently harmless room she enters, building yet more tension. Yet we see that determination again, faced with a massive corporate power she won't be moved as the injustice she has found gives her courage to stand.

All done with 10 pages, some of which are seen as filler. For me its this subtly, this fresh way of pushing the story with what I see as relentless pace, while still not letting anything feel forced. It feels natural and real, hiding with breathtaking skill how much its driving the plot behind a wonderful character exchange.

I'm not suggesting thats for everyone, of course not 2000ad would be dull if it didn't try things that weren't for everyone. For me however this type of brilliance is just what I want.

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #19 on: 28 May, 2017, 08:51:31 pm »
In a four page conversation we a recap, more character development, a lovely exchange, the defensiveness, all the police work, the entire procedural [...] but here its done through a single conversation.

That's really the key: if this was Wagner, much of the same conversation might've happened against a backdrop of contextual action.  I'm just tiring of pages of repetitive head shots that feel like watching tennis.

It's clear that some people here are loving Brink and that's great.  However, for me, I can't shake the feeling that this is the Emperor's New Clothes: the awkward presentation is not high art but actually just plain awkwardness.

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« Reply #20 on: 28 May, 2017, 08:55:12 pm »
Lovely surprise to see McCarthy on Dredd. Superb!
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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #21 on: 28 May, 2017, 09:15:25 pm »
This series of Brink feels very different to the first one. The first one wasn't just nine episodes of people talking, and then some action right at the end.

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #22 on: 28 May, 2017, 11:13:12 pm »
In a four page conversation we a recap, more character development, a lovely exchange, the defensiveness, all the police work, the entire procedural [...] but here its done through a single conversation.

That's really the key: if this was Wagner, much of the same conversation might've happened against a backdrop of contextual action.  I'm just tiring of pages of repetitive head shots that feel like watching tennis.

It's clear that some people here are loving Brink and that's great.  However, for me, I can't shake the feeling that this is the Emperor's New Clothes: the awkward presentation is not high art but actually just plain awkwardness.

That's pretty much how I see it. There is an element of content over style here and it's not that stylish, contextual or interesting.

The head shots thing made me think back to Hewligans Haircut, where there is a whole page of the same headshots of Him and Scarlet talking crap, but in the Warhol dimension - so it's colourful and funny. It lasts a page, you laugh and move on.

Brink is the poo that won't flush round the U bend, it's still there winking at you despite your greatest efforts...

Pass the bog brush someone... (Maybe that fella in 'True Faith' from Crisis - he'll do...)


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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #23 on: 29 May, 2017, 12:23:17 am »
However, for me, I can't shake the feeling that this is the Emperor's New Clothes: the awkward presentation is not high art but actually just plain awkwardness.

I'd say that could be a reasonable reading, except for the fact that it's written by Dan Abnett.  He very seldom does awkward.

Although I haven't read this week's yet, I think the strip is all about creating an atmosphere of tension and uncertainty, of mysteries within mysteries.  Is is just dodgy mega-corporate exploitation, is it just the psychological effects of humanity living on 'the brink' of extinction, is it just the endless self-medication, is it just groups of quasi-religious nutters... or is it actual dark space gods living in the Sun.  The combination of hard SF, Scandi procedural, post-catastrophe extremity and the persistent hints of maybe, just maybe, supernatural/interdimensional evil... gruddamnit, it's gripping.     

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #24 on: 29 May, 2017, 12:48:43 am »
Not read a review thread in a bit, a bit taken aback by the lack of love for Brink. I'm loving the claustrophobia, the art and the mystery, is it a space limiting cult or is there 'something else'. For me its well told comics.
The rest are all ticking along nicely except for Deadworld, whoda thunk that this would have made for compelling story telling, we know the end, everyones dead! Brilliant from KekW and Mr Kendall.

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #25 on: 29 May, 2017, 04:53:52 am »
I'd say that could be a reasonable reading, except for the fact that it's written by Dan Abnett. [...] I think the strip is all about creating an atmosphere of tension and uncertainty, of mysteries within mysteries.  [...]  Scandi procedural [...] 

That's a fair point.  Abnett is clearly deliberate in his style here, which is illuminated by your Scandi comparison.

However, I'm not sure 6-page-chunks with a week's gap between is proving to be the right medium for supporting that kind of thing.

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #26 on: 29 May, 2017, 10:57:54 pm »
Lovely surprise to see McCarthy on Dredd. Superb!


Oh yes, a McCarthy Dredd, everything about this residency has been glorious and long may they continue.

I'm hoping a cover will be next, and for me someone needs to give Brendan McCarthy another script to get his teeth into soon (I've given up hope for more Zaucer o' Zilk) to showcase his brilliance  :thumbsup:

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #27 on: 30 May, 2017, 07:20:52 am »
Lovely surprise to see McCarthy on Dredd. Superb!


Oh yes, a McCarthy Dredd, everything about this residency has been glorious and long may they continue.

I'm hoping a cover will be next, and for me someone needs to give Brendan McCarthy another script to get his teeth into soon (I've given up hope for more Zaucer o' Zilk) to showcase his brilliance  :thumbsup:

A cover IS next  :D

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #28 on: 30 May, 2017, 07:25:41 am »
While we're discussing covers, my droid-foo was REALLY scuppered this week. When I saw Paul's great Defoe cover, I instantly thought it was King Carlos. The colours, the composition, the Judgement Day-esque reeks, the Angela Digriz-like hair of young Daniel all screamed Carlos to me.

I don't think I can give a higher compliment!

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Re: Prog 2033: I am the resurrection
« Reply #29 on: 30 May, 2017, 12:22:34 pm »
I love Brink. I am however unable to judge each section on its own merits as the concept itself (and the cool info-bubble presentation) has gripped from the first prog it appeared in, and I have lost all ability to see the parts as anything but the whole. I want to know what happened on those habitats that everyone alludes to, whats going on with the 'jupiter incident' (may have the wrong planet there) and why things have gone dark... It's got hard sci-fi, cyberpunk noir and potential mythos. You couldn't tick any more boxes for me even before you delivered this via Culbard and Abnett.


Defoe... I like the idea. I think the Levellers are a forgotten piece of history that deserves far more attention in every shape and form. We certainly skipped right over them ,when covering the civil war in history, subsuming them under the banner of the Roundheads. A story set in this period of time featuring dark magic, apocalyptic events and the undead is a great idea in itself. But whilst I want to see more of Defoe vs the Vizards, taking on the gross jokes of the Pseudo-Heroes (I am not bothered by the lack of subtlety thank you) and to explore the possibility of a motivating force behind the Reeks... I am a little burned out on it all. The characters don't seem to ever be in danger, the zombies appear and disappear at whim, and there's a lot of smugness. I do like the artwork though.